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Todd Nettleton: New Reports On Christians In Iran, Nigeria, Malaysia, India · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello and thank you again for tuning in for another episode of World View Matters.
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  We appreciate you guys.
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  We tackle all kinds of issues, topics, and very important subjects.
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  And this one is on the top of the list, the persecution of our family, brothers and
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  sisters in Christ, the website for Voice of the Martyrs, persecution.com.
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  You can go to Facebook and look up the Voice of the Martyrs, USA.
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  I think there's also one for either Australia or UK, but the Voice of the Martyrs, USA,
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  or Facebook.
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  So make sure to check at least those sites out, persecution.com.
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  Our good friend Todd Nettleton is back with us.
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  He's the Vice President of Message for Voice of the Martyrs and host of their Radio Program
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  VOM Radio.
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  Brother, good to see you again, looking forward to catching up.
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  Thanks so much.
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  Great to be with you.
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  Yeah.
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  Great, great to have you, Todd.
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  I'm serious because it's always, at least for me, it's a perspective check, a much needed
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  perspective check, because I think we are so spoiled here in the United States of America.
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  But two things I want to get in and we'll go to all over the world and get your reports.
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  But Iran and Nigeria, very, very hard places to live as a believer in Christ and my goodness.
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  My heart goes out to the people there.
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  And I think we need more information that we're not getting from the media here on what's
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  happening there.
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  So where do you want to start?
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  Can we talk about Iran?
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  Yeah, let's start with Iran.
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  We know there are protests going on in Iran have been really since the week after Christmas.
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  And because the government has shut down the internet, they have shut down the communications
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  tools, it is very difficult to get information about exactly what's going on.
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  A couple of weeks ago, I had an Iranian Christian on Vom Radio to get kind of an update.
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  And at that point, he knew of eight Christians who had been killed in the protest in the violence.
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  One of the things that has happened since the violence began, the Iranian government
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  has arrested literally thousands of Iranians.
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  And so right now, you don't need much of an excuse to arrest anybody.
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  So Christians are being targeted in those arrests as well.
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  If you've maybe been watching a house church pastor or watching a Christian looking for
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  an opportunity, well, guess what, right now you can arrest anybody, nobody asks you any
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  questions.
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  And so Christians are being targeted in those arrests as well.
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  But here's the good news.
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  Iranian Christians are using these opportunities as a way to plant gospel seeds.
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  Because the thing for us to understand, and I think it's such an important thing, the
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  government of Iran is Islam.
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  It is the Islamic leaders.
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  It's the mullahs.
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  They are in charge of the country they have been since 1979.
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  So when people go out in the streets to yell and protest and say, we don't like our
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  government, it doesn't work.
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  What they're saying is we don't like Islam.
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  It doesn't work.
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  We've tried it for 45 years.
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  It hasn't worked.
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  So there is a fertile soil there for gospel seed planting because the people understand
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  Islam doesn't work.
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  Their government has said for 45 years, we're doing it the Islamic way.
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  You have one of the highest drug addiction rates in the world.
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  You have corruption.
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  You have an economy that is completely broken.
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  And the people look at that and say, well, Islam must not work.
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  That's why the gospel can go forward so quickly.
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  I'm so glad you made that point.
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  Because when it all falls apart, it's like, well, wait a minute.
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  Their foundation, they didn't have a solid foundation.
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  Because we do in biblical Christianity, a secure foundation because, yeah, they learn
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  the hard way.
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  My goodness, Todd, just hearing the reports, by the way, you said your friend or the
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  the man you interviewed knew personally, eight who were killed.
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  I mean, the numbers aren't the numbers over 100,000.
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  Am I off on that as far as people that have been killed in the streets, but you're talking
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  Christians, right?
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  I'm talking Christians that we know specifically have been killed.
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  I have heard other numbers in recent weeks.
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  I've heard maybe 23, 24 Christians have been killed.
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  I don't think we'll know an accurate number until after things settle down until the
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  communication is back in place.
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  But thousands, the estimates are thousands of Iranians have been killed.
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  Tens of thousands have been arrested.
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  And this is something, you know, it's the question is, is this a tipping point for the
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  Iranian people for the Iranian government that that's sort of the million dollar question
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  because we have seen protests in the streets before.
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  We have seen, you know, several years ago, the young lady was killed in police custody.
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  There were protests all over the country.
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  One of the things that my Iranian friend explained to me is that this protest began in the
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  bazaars.
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  It began with the shopkeepers.
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  And since 1979, that class, that sort of, they call them bazaars or bazaar, I think bazaar
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  is the, is the Farsi word.
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  The people who work in the bazaar have been supportive of the government.
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  They have been kind of the backbone of the government control of the country.
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  And so for them to be the ones that started this protest is very significant.
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  And perhaps this is the one that finally the Iranian people rise up and say, hey, we don't
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  want an Islamic government.
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  We don't want this government, we don't want government according to the Quran, but that
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  remains to be seen.
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  And obviously the government is doing everything in their power to keep a lid on the situation
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  to crush the protest, even with violence.
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  So it is, it's really a pivotal time for us to pray for the nation of Iran.
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  Yes.
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  And at the same time, I think we've talked about this with you in the past, the underground
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  church there, unlike the church in America, that seems to be really growing.
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  Have you heard any reports on that recently?
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  It is the fastest growing church in the world.
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  That's what our, the researchers tell us.
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  And, and again, the amazing part about that is the role that the government is playing
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  in that.
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  They are turning the people against Islam.
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  So if you were born in a Muslim family, but you have now decided, well, Islam doesn't
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  work, you're looking for something else.
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  You're looking for something that answers some of those deep questions of your heart.
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  And so the government is actually preparing the soil for those gospel seeds to be planted.
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  And then you have broadcast ministries, you have internet ministries, you have the
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  house church inside Iran that is actively going out and sharing the gospel, even amidst
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  the protests.
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  They are out actively among the protesters saying, hey, we understand how frustrated you
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  are.
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  Let me tell you the truth.
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  Let me introduce you to someone who loves you and cares about you.
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  So the gospel advance is going on even as these protests are happening and it's really
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  a testament to how God has used the Islamic government to get ready for revival.
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  And one of the things I always encourage people as I tell that story is, okay, now let's
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  look next door to the Taliban who's in charge in Afghanistan.
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  Lord, use them to prepare the soil in Afghanistan for revival.
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  Let's look at ISIS in Syria, in Iraq.
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  Lord, use them to prepare the soil for revival because when the average Muslim sees these
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  radical Islamists and sees how they live and sees the result, the fruit of their life,
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  they look at that and say, wait a minute, I'm not sure I want to be a Muslim anymore.
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  What are the other options?
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  Very interesting.
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  And you leave it up to God and how he works, right?
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  It's kind of ironic that they're being pushed away from the system.
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  I don't want to call it a religious, I guess it's a socio-political economic system, not
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  just a religion, Islam, but Todd, let's move on before we run out of time.
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  Now we're airing this in early March, but February was Bible month at Voice of the Martyrs
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  and something that you sent me, that you know of 850,000 Christians living in hostile
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  areas and restricted nations who need a Bible.
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  That's just the ones you know of.
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  Tell us more about that because people can still get on board and support that work.
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  Absolutely.
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  So this month, or the month of February, it voice the martyrs.
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  We encourage our readers, we encourage radio listeners to sponsor a Bible or 10 or 100
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  because those brothers and sisters are ready for Bible.
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  See, and they live in a place where maybe the government prevents them, maybe it is just
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  impossible for them to get a Bible.
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  Maybe they're like in China, but they don't live in a big city, they live out in the countryside.
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  Well, there are no Bibles available to them.
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  So how are they going to get God's Word?
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  And I think, you know, for us as American Christians, this is such a mind-blowing thing,
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  because we pull out our phones and, you know, I think I have six or eight different Bible
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  apps on my phone, and then I have, you know, six or 10 Bibles on my shelf, different translations,
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  you know, different versions.
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  What, you know, for us to think about somebody praying for years, maybe five years, maybe
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  ten years, they're praying every day, Lord, someday allow me to have my own copy of God's
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  Word.
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  That is just a mind-blowing thing to us.
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  And that's what, at Voice of the Martyrs, we talk about a Bible for every believer.
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  If you're going to grow in Christ as a follower of Jesus, you need God's Word.
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  You need access to God's Word.
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  You need to read it.
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  You need to study it.
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  You need to meditate on it.
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  How are you going to do that if you don't have access to it?
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  And so a Bible for every believer, the other part about this that's so important for us
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  to understand is if you're going to be persecuted for your faith, how do you prepare for that?
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  Well, one of the foundational ways to prepare is you need to study God's Word.
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  You need to hide it in your heart.
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  You need to know what it says and especially what it says about God's faithfulness and
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  God's faithfulness in the midst of suffering.
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  And so having Bibles for these believers is a tool to discipleship.
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  It's a tool to help them grow spiritually, but it is also a direct tool to help them
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  prepare for persecution.
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  So I want you to give the number, but VOM gave how many Bibles to Iran in last year alone?
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  What's the number?
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  I just heard a report about this and I had to smile and I had to double check.
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  Like did I hear that correctly?
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  100,000 Bibles that voice the martyrs was able to deliver into Iran last year in the midst
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  of a war with Israel, in the midst of all the chaos and all the turmoil in that part of
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  the world.
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  100,000 Bibles went into Iran.
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  And you know, I want to say, as I say that, praise the Lord, that's an amazing thing
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  that God allowed us to be a part of.
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  But I also want to say that is because Iranian Christians are willing to pay the price.
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  One of the projects that we had in Iran was a project to help them print Bibles inside
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  the country.
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  Now, that's not legal, it had to be on the black market, but the average person who was
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  involved in that project within two years, they went to jail, that's how difficult it
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  is.
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  That's how closely they were watched.
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  And yet we had a constant stream of Iranian Christians raising their hands and saying,
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  hey, I'll be a part of that.
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  I want to be a part of that Bible project, even knowing within two years, I'm probably
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  going to go to jail because that's just the price that they pay.
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  And so as I, you know, we celebrate 100,000 Bibles going into Iran, I also want to recognize
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  that's because Iranian Christians are willing to give their lives, they're willing to go
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  to prison, to have God's word, to have God's word, to give to other believers inside
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  Iran.
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  So it's really a tribute to their courage and their willingness to pay the price to
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  get God's word to their countrymen.
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  Isn't that interesting that throughout the centuries, before we had Bibles in America,
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  I mean, that people paid the price, a lot of men paid the price to get Bibles into
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  eventually into people's hands.
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  So Todd, talk about access, you have an app, a VOM app, tell us about that.
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  Yeah, the Voice of the Martyrs app, before you're a smartphone or your tablet, it's just
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  called the VOM app.
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  So if you search in the app store for VOM app or Voice of the Martyrs, you'll find it
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  every single day, a new prayer request from our persecuted brothers and sisters.
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  So you can literally set your phone to remind you at a given time, hey, I'm going to pray
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  for persecuted Christians and every day it's China, it's Iran, it's Nigeria, it's North
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  Korea. Hey, here's how you can pray today.
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  So that's one aspect of it, but it also has so much material inside of it.
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  Ebooks, audio books, video content, even two feature films about Voice of the Martyrs
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  founders, Pastor Richard and Sabina Wormbrand, all of that is free.
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  So you just get the app, you register and boom, you have access to all of that.
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  But like I say, the most important part of it every single day, a prayer request for
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  persecuted Christians, that's the first thing that they ask us to do is to pray for
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  them. And so having that in the app is a tool to help you answer the number one request
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  of your persecuted brothers and sisters.
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  Awesome. That is such a great feature. Excellent app. Friends, we take a brief pause with
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  Todd Nendleton, but remember his book is available for those that aren't familiar and
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  don't have it when faith is forbidden 40 days on the front lines with persecuted Christians.
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  You can get that at persecution.com. We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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  So we're with Todd Nendleton, persecution.com, voice of the martyrs. So Todd helped me
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  understand something that to me is a head scratcher. The State Department issues an annual report
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  on international religious freedom and areas of concern. And I guess in 2025 they did not.
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  And that was when President Trump was in office. Help me understand this. Clear the fog
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  here for me. I wish I could. So if you go to the State Department website, state.gov and
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  you look for international religious freedom, they have these reports. They are mandated
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  by law, the International Religious Freedom Act. They've been issuing them for the last
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  20 or so years. And part of this report is designated countries of particular concern.
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  So each year in the report, they say, hey, China is a country of particular concern on
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  the issue of international religious freedom. And once that CPC designation is made, that
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  opens up a toolbox for the administration to nudge or threaten or make China be nicer
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  to religious minorities. And some of those tools are carrots. Some of them are sticks, but
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  they all hinge on that CPC designation. Well, the State Department didn't issue a international
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  religious freedom report in 2024, the last year of the Biden administration. And you know,
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  I think people thought, well, they're out the outgoing administration. There's a new
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  administration coming in. They're the ones who are really going to have to act on this.
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  So they just left it for the new administration to do this report. Well, so 2024 went by
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  without one. And then 2025 went by without one also. And so the first year of the Trump
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  administration, no international religious freedom report. So the most recent report we
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  have is 2023. Now three years ago. And a lot of people are asking the same question,
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  you are, what's going on? I thought this was an administration that was going to speak
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  up for religious minorities. I thought they were putting a high priority on this. And in fact,
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  President Trump did declare Nigeria a country of particular concern in a social media post. So
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  so that designation was made sort of outside of the normal channels outside of this report.
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  But we're waiting to see what what about China? What about India? What about some of these other
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  countries? How is the administration going to hold them accountable on the religious freedom?
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  I can't imagine like you mentioned India and China and some of these other countries. I can
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  imagine them changing a whole lot from year to year. What is your take on that? They don't change,
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  but administrations change and they change how they address them. And so one of the one of the big
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  questions every year is India because we know India is a persecutor of religious minorities.
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  Right now there are dozens of pastors in jail in India for breaking so-called anti-conversion laws.
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  But we also know India is a huge trading partner for the United States. There's a lot of money
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  being made on trade with India. So every administration has to kind of look at that and say, okay,
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  how how willing are we to offend the Indian government? How willing are we to put some of these
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  trade dollars at risk by calling out their persecution of Christians and other religious minorities?
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  And so every administration handles that dance a little bit differently. And sometimes they say,
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  hey, you know, we didn't declare them a country of particular concern, but we are talking to them
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  behind the scenes. We are working on these things. We are holding them accountable. And other
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  administrations will say we absolutely did call them a country of particular concern. This is such
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  an important issue. We're not going to compromise. And if some of our trade dollars dry up, well,
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  then they dry up, but we're going to stand for religious freedom. So every administration
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  handles that a little differently. And like I say, this, this designation opens up a toolbox.
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  They can do sanctions. They can do targeted sanctions. They can punish these governments in some
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  ways. But it all hinges on that initial designation by the State Department. That makes sense.
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  And I think we have a better understanding of how that works now. Thank you, Todd. Speaking of India,
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  you were in, you were there or you were in Southeast Asia last fall. Recently on VOM Radio,
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  you did a show with Pastor Paul conversation there. Tell us about that.
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  You know, my editor for Voice to the Marta Shradio said, this is one of our top five episodes
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  ever. So I want to encourage people. Don't listen to this. And the great thing about it is, as you
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  say, I got to go to Southeast Asia. I got to meet Pastor Paul, sit with him. And so it is his
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  voice telling his story. He speaks great English. We could all understand him. And his story is
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  amazing. So one of the, it's the only time I've ever had a persecuted Christian tell me that they
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  prayed for a pastor to be arrested. Yeah. And you got to understand the story. So Pastor Paul was
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  arrested. He was beaten by a mob. He was put in a filthy prison cell. He was sent to prison. He
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  was the only Christian in a prison of 1200 people. He got sick. He was forced to sleep in the
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  toilet. He got sick. And he thought he was going to die. And in fact, he said when his wife came
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  to visit, he told her goodbye thinking the next time I see you, I'll be in heaven because I'm not
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  going to survive this. And he said, I prayed, Lord, I'm, I'm all alone here. I'm losing heart.
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  Allow another pastor to be arrested and come to encourage me here in prison. And the Lord
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  answered his prayer. The Lord allowed another pastor to be arrested. Then he got sent to that same
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  prison of 1200 people. Then he got assigned to the same section of the prison as Pastor Paul. And
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  then he got assigned to the bed right across from him. So they literally were right across from
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  each other. And he said it was just what he prayed. This other pastor came and said, don't give up
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  brother. God is it work. God is going to do something. And it just encouraged and empowered him.
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  And they were able to lead a little mini revival inside that prison. He said 70 other prisoners
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  came to them asking for prayer, asking for spiritual questions. Tell me more about Jesus.
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  One of them was actually an American. He said, this is a fascinating story. This American had gone
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  to India seeking spiritual enlightenment. He ended up getting arrested and sent to prison. So he's
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  in this prison, but he has considered this Hindu guru and other prisoners go to him for advice.
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  But then Pastor Paul has the opportunity to lead him to faith in Christ. And so this American
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  traveled all the way to India seeking spiritual enlightenment and ended up finding it inside an
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  Indian prison where he met Jesus. Go listen to those episodes of Voice of the March right now. We
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  split the interview over two weeks. The last thing you'll hear is Pastor Paul praying. And at the
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  end of our time together, you know, I was done with the interview and he said, is it okay if I pray?
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  And I said, Oh, absolutely, brother, I would love for you to pray. We still had the recorder
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  running. And so he began to pray. And he thanked God for the privilege of being arrested,
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  for the privilege of going into that prison and having a ministry for Christ. He thanked the Lord
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  for that. It is absolutely a mind blowing conversation and so encouraging to hear his faithfulness
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  and how God came through. Every time God came through. Well, you know, that's biblical. You think
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  about the apostles when they left prison after they got flogged, I think, rejoicing that they
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  were counted worthy to suffer for the name of Jesus. So man, but people like that, Pastor Paul from
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  India inspire other Christians. So Todd, we're going to run out of time quickly. I haven't heard an
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  update from Susanna Co over Malaysia. Let's talk about that real quick. Yeah. Last month, it was
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  nine years since the disappearance of Pastor Raymond Co. It is it's hard to believe it has been that
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  long. She went to court. We've talked about this before. She sued the Malaysian government. Well,
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  last November, she won her lawsuit. And it was a humongous victory that they she got a large
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  financial settlement. But the biggest part for her was the judge ordered the police to reopen
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  the investigation, ordered the police to report every other month progress on the investigation.
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  And the financial settlement was going up every month until Pastor Raymond Co was located,
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  until the police explained what happened to him. Well, you know, that was a huge victory in November.
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  But before the sun went down that day, the government had gone to court. They had appealed that
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  verdict. And in January, they got a stay against the verdict. So and and part of that is a financial
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  stay. They don't have to pay her any money. But the part that Susanna is most concerned about is
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  they don't have to keep investigating. They don't have to report to the judge what progress
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  they're making. And so she is very frustrated by this stay. And her lawyers are saying it could be
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  three to five years just to work out the stay. That's not the whole appeal process. That's just the
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  stay. As so in spite of this great victory in November, she's back in court. She's still having
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  to fight for justice and fight for the truth. What happened to my husband? That's the question
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  she's asking every single day. We thought the court verdict was going to help get answers.
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  But it seems like we have to wait a little while longer. How corrupt. That's that's awful.
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  God bless her. I'm sure she's endured so much already. He was abducted in broad daylight and
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  on videotape. Is that is am I remembering that right? That's correct. Yep. A security camera caught
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  the abduction of Pastor Raymond co that the whole thing took less than 40 seconds. It involved at
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  least five vehicles at least 13 men. It was not something somebody woke up, you know, sort of
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  randomly a random violence. It was clearly a well planned military style attack. He's not been seen
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  or heard from since that day. His car has never been found. And one of the parts of the verdict was
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  that the judge said the police did this, the special branch of the police, which is their intelligence
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  police. And he said that they were acting under orders. This was not a rogue policeman sort of
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  off doing his own thing. This was under orders from their commander from their authorities. And so
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  he basically said the government made this man disappear. The government needs to account for it.
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  And the government is fighting tooth and nail not to have to do that, not to have to follow through
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  on that verdict. This man was a threat to them. I'm sure. So Todd, we've got two minutes left.
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  You can offer a global prayer guide from what I understand. Tell us about that real quick.
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  Yeah, the global prayer guide is another tool to help us pray for persecuted Christians. It lists
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  the countries where Christians are persecuted and gives you some basic information about
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  what Christians are facing. So who are the persecutors? Is it the government? Is it some terrorist group
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  like Boko Haram? Is it maybe your own family members who are angry when you follow Christ?
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  How hard is it for Christians to get a Bible in that country? What does it look like to follow Jesus
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  in those 70 plus countries where Christians are persecuted? And the goal is so you can pray more
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  effectively and more specifically. You can go beyond God bless persecuted Christians and get to
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  God. Help Christians who are in prison and erratria right now. Help them to have enough to eat
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  today. Help them to be healthy today, praying those kind of specific prayers. And we have set up a
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  website for your listeners, for your viewers, persecution.com slash Todd. Sorry about that,
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  but it's my name, TODD persecution.com slash Todd. You don't have to give a donation on that site.
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  We will send you a copy of the prayer guide for free. And it's 2026. It's updated for this year.
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  Awesome. persecution.com slash Todd for this important global prayer guide. We so appreciate the
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  work that you guys do. Todd, we can't wait so long before we have you on again. So let's try to
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  keep that in mind. Get in touch. Again, brother, love you and thanks again for all you do.
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  Thanks so much for having me and thanks for encouraging using your microphone to encourage
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  people to pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters. I really appreciate it.
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  Well, thank you, Todd. No problem. Emphasis on brothers and sisters. They're family.
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  They're family. We're all going to be together in eternity right now. We've got to support
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  whoever we can while we're here. So, friends, thank you so much. Again, God bless you and as always,
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter. See you next time.