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The Crime and End of Clifford Olson Jr and the Pope lick monster. · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey everybody. Serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, my name is Brian Joiner
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  and this is when Killers get caught a podcast of what a deep
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  dives into the Killer's. We love to learn about each
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  week. Brian, and I discussed to true
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  crime stories that resonated with us this week and then I
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  will lead you down the darker path of learning about who a
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  killer was, how they grew up how they killed and most importantly
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  how they got caught and then Brian ends our podcast with a
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  touch of the Paranormal, a story about Cryptids or just the
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  creepiest. Of life.
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  And as usual we'd like to say thank you for listening.
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  Yeah, so this week in True Crime, I actually talked about
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  this story on Tick-Tock and people were pretty excited about
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  it, but I know that the cross section of I think people who do
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  both is pretty small and so Brian.
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  Have you ever heard of baby Holly?
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  It sounds familiar. So baby Holly was a little girl
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  who was found in the woods near her parents.
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  Who were dead about 40 years ago?
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  Yeah, sounds familiar. Yeah, I think I heard a story.
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  Yep. And Pretty much they were
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  newlyweds. They were my brain.
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  Well the the grandma is the one who's left.
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  Now, her name is Donna, Casa. Santa and baby, Holly Marie
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  Klaus, who is now 42 years old? And the mother of five was
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  located. Her parents were Harold, Dean
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  Klaus and Tina, Gayle Klaus and they disappeared in sometime
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  between December and 1979 and January of 1980.
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  And here's the thing, the parents were only identified
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  last year. What they have been unidentified
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  remains for most of the time that Holly is also been missing
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  of course to her she wasn't missing right horse but a lot of
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  this is thanks to those DNA test that everybody loves to take and
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  Essentially, there was a match. and, Interestingly enough when
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  Donna Casa Santa learned? That her son was dead.
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  It was pretty wild. And an interesting thing
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  happened that we've learned since then, so after her parents
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  were killed, right? Donna cusses hunt against a
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  phone call from these women and mind you, this is Texas, they
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  had just moved there, they were new to the area.
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  So virtually nobody knew they were missing.
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  It only Donna knew that she hadn't heard from her son and
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  somebody who was out walking their dog in the woods as usual.
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  That's the way that seems to always find, you know, people in
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  the woods and the baby had been dropped off at like a church but
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  she got a phone call from these two women.
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  Specifically one who called herself sister Susan and sister
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  Susan had her son's car and was like meet us in Daytona and
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  we'll sell you your Suns car back.
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  Donna. Of course tells the police but
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  there's nothing they could really do.
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  They couldn't hold them on anything and they couldn't prove
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  that they hadn't just found the car and taken at.
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  But sister Susan said that she was a part of a religious
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  organization that old that believes in separating men and
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  women and it's just it makes no sense why.
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  This is probably who they think killed them but they have no
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  idea. It makes no sense because I
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  didn't even keep the baby. Holly ended up getting adopted
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  but her grandmother says that like they met over zoom and it
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  was an intense moment and she looks just like her mom.
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  Like there's a photo of her holding a picture of her parents
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  and she's a baby and she looks a lot like her mother and her
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  grandmother was like they even sound the same.
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  Wow, that's why, but we're still.
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  They're still trying to figure out who killed Um, but I mean,
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  that's probably going to feel like it's going to reveal itself
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  real soon. You think so, I my brain thinks
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  it's not going to happen, but at least we're done.
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  I feel kind of happy for her because she just found out.
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  She has five great-grandkids. That's so old that she has a
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  family to reach out to. That's a good one for you.
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  Before I take you down the awful path today.
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  Well, guess what? I think.
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  We're on the same wavelength today.
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  Because guess what, what? I got.
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  A nice one for you, too. All right.
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  Okay. So earlier this week, A corgi
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  and Lancaster, which was shot in the head, what?
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  Yeah, he would hurt that baby. I don't know, he's adorable.
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  Um, his name is Arthur, and yeah.
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  So from what I've seen from the PSP ca, for instance, from their
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  Instagram profile, they found them and like it appear to eat.
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  Was shot in the head. But he is alive.
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  He is alive shot right between his eyes and whoever shot him.
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  Left him for dead. But like he crawled under a
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  fence into like a, I guess family someone's family's farm
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  and I guess they brought him into the, you know, P SPCA and
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  like it took him two weeks to like, heal up, but No, no, no.
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  It took into two weeks until they called him now goodness
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  gracious. I crank it was, it was two weeks
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  ago, it was to happen to weeks ago.
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  I'm still having a hard time right now.
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  I'm so sorry. It happened two weeks ago that
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  they, that they got this call from this family, the PSP CA
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  that they had found a dog who wandered into their, like, their
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  property and he had Some type of mooners head and like he ran
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  from somebody, obviously who tried to kill him.
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  He is alive there. I guess there is a bullet that
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  was left in his in his head, he had.
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  He was very, very badly taken care of.
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  He had fleas yet here. Affections.
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  He was anemic boy. This dog.
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  Had it rough. And then it's like top it off.
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  Someone tried to shoot him in the head.
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  Oh, someone tissue in my head. Yeah.
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  But there are searching investigating to see, like, who
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  would even do this, who would do this?
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  Why someone would do this to? Like, it's a little Corgi cute
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  guys. So adorable.
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  But they're hoping that he makes a full recovery.
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  He's obviously still alive. He's they had a video of him
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  like running around and stuff, it's just Adorable.
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  But like, As always, I was like okay we need something cute
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  today and I was like hey how about this?
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  This is something that is crime related because someone tried to
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  kill some body or something. Yeah and it was a cute, it was
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  really was, but he's alive and still adorable.
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  So if there you have it, Well, at least he's okay, yeah,
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  yeah. Well.
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  Last week, we talked about Cliff Clifford, Olson, Juniors, the
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  first half of his life will say up until about 40 years old and
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  we kind of left off on the place that Cliff had gotten himself in
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  trouble with attacking a sex worker and pretty brutally,
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  harming her. And he's been a couple weeks in
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  prison, they did not check his record and therefore he Out.
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  I also mentioned that Clifford went back home and discovered
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  that his girlfriend Joan Was Pregnant.
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  And So, while Joan had initially been mad at him at this point,
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  she was just worried and now he was back so so happy Yay.
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  And you would think like, no, I have all these important things
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  to worry about, but Clifford's, like I'm going to go out to
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  celebrate and just like the night that he found the
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  prostitute, he got drunk, he took a bunch of pills and he
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  began to think about those darker things and we mentioned
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  last week for anybody who didn't listen, you should go back and
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  listen because there's a lot of context to who this guy is, but
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  He? His basis for.
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  Sex was linked to violence. Which is a really bad
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  combination. And even though he had found, I
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  wouldn't call it love. But he found something with
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  Joan. That was gentler and Kinder, and
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  he did like it. He just can't shake the fact
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  that he he likes the violence with sex, and he wants to
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  indulge in it. And so on November 17th, 1980,
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  he found Christine Weller. She was 12 years old and she was
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  kidnapped from Surrey British Columbia.
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  Christine lived with her unemployed parents, and it was a
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  pretty dismal experience for her.
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  She kind of escaped the depressing nature of her
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  household by going to the local mall.
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  And she pretty much spent the entire day there with her
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  classmates. She couldn't afford to buy
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  anything but it was just nice to be around friends and even after
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  her friends, all went home because they, you know, normal
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  rules for kids who have parents who are keeping watch on them.
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  Is you get your butt home before nightfall?
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  Those are my rules. When I was a little kid when my
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  grandmother, when the street lights come on, you better make
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  your way back to the house. Great, but Christine and want to
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  go home, because she didn't want to walk into a house where her
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  parents were. That fighting about the fact
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  that they don't have any money and, you know, you need to get a
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  job and yada yada yada. So she stayed as long as she
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  could until pretty much the place closed and so she started
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  making her way home. Just walking down the street and
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  that's what she meant Clifford. We don't exactly know what he
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  said to her. but it had to have been pretty convincing because
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  Christine wasn't she wasn't a naive kid.
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  She was from a referee part of town and she definitely would
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  have been wise to how older men kind of hit on young girls.
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  I definitely think that she turned down his offer to drive
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  her home because she had a bicycle and it couldn't fit into
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  his truck, which is more than likely when he threatened her
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  with a knife and threw her bike into the bushes, which were
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  recovered on the side of the road later.
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  We know that she was threatened with a knife because he cut her.
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  Not deep enough to kill her. But it was enough to let her
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  know that he would and Clifford took her to the favor.
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  Raise your Fraser River? Dykes in Richmond?
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  Because there weren't a lot of people there but just because
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  it's so cold at this point in Canada, and we know that he
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  threw her into the mud and we know that he attempted to rape
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  her, but they were never able to find any forensic evidence to
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  show that she was assaulted. And that makes Sense.
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  Because there's a certain level of Overkill with Christine's
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  Murder. She was stabbed in her heart
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  twice, and in her liver four times, and for people who aren't
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  well versed in forensics, it's not exactly easy to stab someone
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  in the heart. There's a lot of bones in the
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  way of that. Right?
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  Which would mean that he either. I broke. / ribs that were in
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  front of her heart. Like this was, this was
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  aggression and it was violence and it was because he couldn't
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  perform, which is really common in these kinds of crimes were
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  talking about sexual sadism. We don't spend too much time
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  talking about these kind of killers because they're real
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  rough, right? Christine's parents didn't
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  notice that she was gone right away.
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  But after a couple days, they filed a police report and the
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  police wrote her off as a Teenage runaway because she was
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  from a rough part of town with crappy broke, poor parents, and
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  then on Christmas morning. In 1980.
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  A man walking his dog along the Fraser River found.
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  Her corpse. Now, the police jump into action
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  and they pull up the list of every known sexual convict in
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  Richmond and they bring in all these people and Clifford
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  doesn't come up on any of those lists.
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  Yeah, I like how you said convict.
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  Ah, yes, yes. Because you can't just he wasn't
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  convicted. In fact, they bring Clifford in.
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  As an informant and they're like, listen, we heard from
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  other police that you new things.
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  So, you know, let us know if you hear something, he's like, you
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  know, I'll keep my ear to the street.
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  Now Clifford decides. So essentially Clifford and
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  Joanne are like let's do this. Let's get married and they're
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  trying to set a date for the spring and she's pregnant.
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  It's all very bustling time and clever decides that he's going
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  to settle down before. He's going to settle down
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  though. He needs to head out and see the
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  rest of the world. And so, he starts driving
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  through a bunch of old places. He heads up to British Columbia
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  to See BCP because the president was officially shut down all the
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  way and had become a strange sort of tourist attraction.
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  At this point, he actually buys a ticket and walks through the
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  prison as a tourist. And while he's there, one of the
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  old guards from the prison is there as a tour guide.
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  No. Does he recognize the two of
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  them passed by each other? Easily, a dozen times throughout
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  the tour and not make the connection until Clifford is
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  standing next to one of his old cells and the guard looks at him
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  and makes a phone call to some of his friends who are still
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  working as officers. And they're like, he's wanted,
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  he's at Large. Remember Clifford escaped.
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  Mmm and was never caught right by the time that Clifford leaves
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  the prison done with his tour, the police are waiting for him
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  outside, they add a month on to his most recent sentence and he
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  is sent to the mat ski institution in Abbotsford as far
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  as Joe Knows. He is having this weird sort of
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  solo bachelor party, and there's still a couple months before the
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  wedding. So Clifford's, like I'm not
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  telling her nothing. Hmm.
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  All I have to do is get out in time for the wedding, Mary Joan.
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  And we're fine this time, he's in prison, he's got new interest
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  in gangs, he's not trying to make any new friends.
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  He just wants to keep his head down, do his time, get out on
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  parole, and that's exactly what happens.
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  He drives back to Joan. And she's like, did you enjoy
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  your cross-country trip? And he's like, yep, Clifford has
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  themselves, the house, Jones house and relocate.
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  Mainly We because of the rumors about the attack on The
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  Prostitute, he and what Joan finding out.
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  So they say he finds a new job and he gets a new house in the
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  city of Coquitlam. He gets a job for the
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  superintendent in town for an atonement apartment.
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  Block, the same place that he runs the place.
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  They start house hunting after that like apartment find because
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  they're like, well once we have the baby we're going to need a
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  bigger place. But for now this is enough.
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  And Steven Olson would arrive shortly after their move
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  Clifford, is happy as a wife, a child, a job.
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  No outstanding warrants for his arrest.
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  Any more he starts going to church every Sunday.
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  Joan is really happy. They get to learn the Bible, he
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  can quote it at this point, but while they're playing the
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  wedding, the urges begin again and Clifford fixates on building
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  this Persona in his new town. He's now the sweet older man
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  who's kind to all the kids in the neighborhood and it doesn't
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  seem odd at first, but he's always talking all the little
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  girls in the neighborhood and complimenting them and giving
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  them little gifts, it doesn't seem strange because He did he
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  did for all the kids in the community, he made sure to never
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  show anybody too much, personal attention, but it's one of those
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  things that people should have been afraid of.
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  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if there is an
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  adult who is spending a lot of time with your child and giving
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  them presents and things. I'm not going to say you
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  shouldn't necessarily be worried but you should be watchful.
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  Yeah. Keep an eye out.
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  Yeah, just to make sure that it stays a lovely kid, grown-up
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  relationship, and nothing more. So, here's the thing, though
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  Clifford just like plenty of the other serial killers.
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  We've talked about, can only keep up this facade for so long
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  before he goes back to this need for violence.
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  There was a point where he tried to introduce like slightly more
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  aggressive sex to Joan, but she got more pregnant and he was
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  worried that he couldn't do what he really wanted, so he stopped
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  doing that. So I think that's kind of why
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  there's a delay here between the killing in November.
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  And then April, I think this partially because he got that
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  initial satisfaction from killing Christine Weller.
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  But also, Also, because he did kind of sort of coerce Joan into
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  something strangely, like violent, but not super violent,
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  but either way, it wasn't really enough to kind of say this.
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  This growing her inside of him. And so uncovers mine.
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  He's just like, listen, I have to do these things.
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  And then I'm going to spend the rest of my days doing good
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  things for Joan, and for Steven, who isn't born yet.
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  But I'll let you know when that happens because there's is very
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  clear lines as to when he does certain things, one is ha.
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  Wow but uh either way that it only lasted him until April 5
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  months and then he just had to do something and so he had spent
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  the previous month's kind of prospecting and looking for a
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  kid in his neighborhood who would be the perfect victim.
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  And her name was Colleen, Marian diagonal.
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  She was 13 years old. And when she wasn't at school,
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  she virtually spent all her time alone in her home.
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  Typical latchkey kid. And Colleen had pretty much told
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  him as much. So on April 6th 1981, he offered
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  he sees her and he's like, hey, you know, I'm gonna have a
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  weekend job opening with the apartment complex and you can
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  get some money and you know, baby be out of the house.
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  Get a couple job skills and she's pretty excited.
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  He's like, hey, I'll drive you to the office, we can fill out
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  some paperwork and when she gets in his car, he offers her a
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  drink from a bottle of schnapps, he has in his car.
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  And Colleen took a swig unaware that this entire bottle of
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  schnapps is drugged, we do know that Clifford sexually assaulted
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  her and dragged her into the woods and beat her to death with
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  a hammer. She would not be found until
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  September. Her skull was virtually
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  pulverized. Which again, let the
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  investigators know that her killer had a lot of just pent-up
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  anger. The kind of anger that it
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  doesn't make sense that you would take out on a child.
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  Now when Colleen goes missing the police do their due
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  diligence but just like Christine.
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  They're like, I mean here's this kid who spends all her time in
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  the house, maybe she met somebody maybe she ran away.
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  They went to the superintendent of her apartment building, hey,
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  it's Clifford and he's like, oh yeah, I know her.
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  She's always at her house and he tells her, he tells the police
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  all about her routine and her family life.
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  And while the police are investigating, Colleen's
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  disappearance Clifford kills again this time, April, 22nd
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  1981 and he kidnaps Darren Todd Johnson.
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  Rid Darren was 16 years old and he lived in Westminster.
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  He used the same ruse that he used on Colleen.
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  Picking up the teen walking near a mall, offering him a job at a
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  construction site that they picked up a six-pack to
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  celebrate and when Darren wasn't paying attention, he refused the
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  drink. Unfortunately, a perfect victim
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  for Clifford because his family was new to Westminster.
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  And so a lot of people didn't notice him missing Clifford took
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  the unconscious boy to the deroche area where he prepare
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  he'd already previously prepared.
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  A kill site Clifford would admit to the police later that he'd
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  been more violent with Darren because he wanted the boy to
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  wake up and fight him. Darren was found less than two
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  weeks later and he had injuries everywhere.
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  Broken, bones a cracked skull. Stab wounds.
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  Unlike some Killers who are changing there. methodology as a
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  forensic, countermeasure Clifford is doing different
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  things to see how they feel. He's enjoying the different
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  kinds of murder weapons, and the different ways he can hurt.
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  People don't like that. No, we don't like that because
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  not being able to have a solid victimology hurts the
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  investigation and also not being able to have a solid methodology
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  harms. The, I mean, we find these guys
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  based on patterns and he's not operating on a pattern and all
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  his first two victims are. I mean, we got 13, 14 16, I
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  guess. They're all technically
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  adolescence, but that changes. There are much younger victims.
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  Generally, we know that pedophiles have a one
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  particular, they like, either boys or girls, so, it's pretty
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  rare that it gets mixed up, right?
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  So, he's operating completely different from what we know, and
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  in 1981, the The profiles that we use to find these kinds of
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  killers had only been around for about a decade. so, if that So
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  it's very new and not everybody's Usenet.
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  In the interim, the police don't really know what to do there.
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  Like, there's a lot of kids just suddenly go and missing around
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  here, but one stabbed but not assaulted.
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  The teen, boys, a victim of a homosexual.
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  Rape. And you know how we feel about
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  the queers and 80s. They didn't like us.
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  So, the agency today to talk about, right?
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  They didn't even interview Clifford about Darren, because
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  Clifford wasn't a known homosexual. now, the weeks
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  before the wedding which was scheduled to be on, May 15,
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  1981, Joe needs Clifford by so he's like, I'm here, I'll do
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  whatever you want and four days after his wedding, however, he
• 27:28
  abducted assaulted and murdered Sandra wolf Steiner, He picked
• 27:33
  her up when she was trying to get home because she was going
• 27:37
  to be late for her curfew and she had been in her boyfriend's
• 27:40
  house and he had originally agreed to give her a ride home,
• 27:43
  but when they got into an argument, he told her find her
• 27:46
  own way home. So, she just started walking
• 27:49
  Clifford, saw her. And he was just like, you want a
• 27:53
  ride, she didn't really want to hitchhike.
• 27:56
  It was just that she was dealing with the stress of the situation
• 27:59
  of, like, great. I got in a fight with my
• 28:01
  boyfriend, if I come home. Late.
• 28:03
  Now, I'm gonna get in a fight with my parents, right?
• 28:07
  And here's Clifford and he's this old guy with gray hair,
• 28:11
  just smile. It offering her a ride, back to
• 28:13
  town. Hey, don't even have to work,
• 28:16
  too hard to get her to drink anything because she was having
• 28:18
  an awful friggin day. And so, she willingly took the
• 28:22
  flask from him this time. He used a chloral hydrate, and
• 28:33
  then, he took her to the Chilliwack Lake.
• 28:35
  Dragged her out in the grass. She was out so cold.
• 28:39
  She didn't wake up during the physical assault or the murder
• 28:44
  like Not a good drug to use. Hmm.
• 28:52
  Hydrate. And then I deleted it.
• 28:57
  It's a sedative that's used to treat short-term insomnia and so
• 29:01
  he just he gave her too much. She was sleep, sleep sleep.
• 29:05
  No. This is, we know a lot of these
• 29:08
  details because later on, he tells the police, everything in
• 29:12
  excruciating horrific detail, and I just have to tell you that
• 29:16
  I am giving you the cliff notes version.
• 29:20
  Well, thank you. Appreciate it so much.
• 29:23
  It's the worst and well, Alex. But like, later on, I'll talk to
• 29:30
  you about the day that he gave them this, these these
• 29:34
  confessions, but Yeah. One Sondra he used a 5-inch iron
• 29:46
  Spike and smash it into her skull.
• 29:50
  She didn't die from the first strike and he proceeded to
• 29:59
  hammer the nail and to other parts of her body and watch as
• 30:05
  she reacted. And these were obviously, SLI
• 30:09
  involuntary, you know, spasms right because of pain, but she
• 30:13
  was not fully aware of what's going on.
• 30:17
  I mean afterward, he buries her in a shallow grave and he's like
• 30:23
  bury the body this time. Don't want them to find her like
• 30:27
  they found Darren. After Sandra's death, he focuses
• 30:31
  on the birth of his son, Steven and the new baby was a bit of a
• 30:35
  high for him. He didn't need to kill anybody
• 30:38
  for a little bit. He went back to being that
• 30:40
  lovely guy who was super kind to everybody and he obviously
• 30:43
  thought focusing on a sunless help him but he slipped up.
• 30:47
  He started showing too much attention to a four-year-old in
• 30:50
  the apartment complex and she told her parents so the police
• 30:55
  were called in and Clifford was interrogated.
• 30:59
  He made them think that this was just a confusion, you know, this
• 31:02
  is she's confused. The police believed him and so
• 31:07
  did her parents. And actually people in the
• 31:09
  community were mad that he'd been accused of impropriety Wow.
• 31:17
  Yeah, I don't fucking believe the victim.
• 31:20
  Well, after this brush with the police Clifford was so mad that
• 31:24
  he went out on June 21st. 1881 to find someone to take that
• 31:28
  anger out on. So he leaves Coquitlam and he's
• 31:32
  outside of the city. And he sees a to court.
• 31:35
  She's 13 years old and she's walking home on North Road.
• 31:38
  After a babysitting job. He offered her a ride because
• 31:42
  she looked tired and she didn't really respond to him because
• 31:47
  again, The 70s were really the era of hitchhiking.
• 31:52
  She's just like, leave me alone, dude.
• 31:58
  And so he kind of kept hammering away at her until he brought up
• 32:03
  the idea that you know he's like, oh well you're leaving a
• 32:07
  babysitting job, I have an Administration job and that's
• 32:10
  probably way better than, you know, dealing with people's
• 32:13
  brats all day long. You can do it on the weekend and
• 32:17
  you can make more money and he's like, oh, you know, we can do
• 32:21
  your interview in the car. As I drive you, home Clifford
• 32:26
  even played in to the role that he was so grateful that he
• 32:29
  found, you know, such a mature young woman to to do this job.
• 32:33
  He gave her the flash, she took a swig and just like with all
• 32:36
  the other children and ended the same way.
• 32:41
  Ada was killed with multiple Hammer.
• 32:44
  Blows to her skull at. He also used rope to strangle
• 32:52
  her with and syringes to try and inject air embolisms into her
• 32:59
  bloodstream. He told the police that he did
• 33:08
  all manner of horrible things to her but we don't entirely know
• 33:11
  what he did because he hid her body very well.
• 33:15
  He drove out to Weaver Lake and he dug a grave and dropped her
• 33:20
  and ate. It wasn't found for a very long
• 33:23
  time. She was one of the bodies that
• 33:25
  was virtually mummified. On his way back home.
• 33:35
  Clifford kind of thought about the night and he realized that.
• 33:39
  Killing even though he was doing more horrible, horrible things
• 33:42
  was to give him the same kind of satisfaction as use get before.
• 33:46
  And maybe it's this dress, you know, of having a new baby in
• 33:49
  the house and he still has to go to work.
• 33:52
  And you know what? Yeah, I've heard that, you know,
• 33:55
  having having a kid does like, dampen the murdering, you know
• 34:00
  what I mean? The murdering sensation.
• 34:03
  Yeah, the joy, you get from murdering it does.
• 34:05
  Like, he'll that a lot pun intended.
• 34:08
  There you go. He's like, what's up?
• 34:11
  I'm just going to have to do this more often.
• 34:14
  And, you know, I just more of these little sacrifices to make
• 34:17
  sure that I can take care of my family, sometime between that
• 34:21
  crime in June in the and the start of July, he gets in
• 34:24
  trouble for sexually assaulting. A 16 year old girl, whose name
• 34:27
  was never released to the public.
• 34:29
  I'm not sure if this was Clifford's attempt to attack,
• 34:32
  someone who wasn't drugged, but it didn't go very well because
• 34:35
  she screamed, she broke free. She ran to the police, the
• 34:38
  police pulled him out of bed. In the middle of the night,
• 34:40
  locked him up. He spent all night thinking
• 34:43
  about how he was going to talk to the police.
• 34:44
  About this, they shop to interrogate him.
• 34:46
  The following following morning, they have nothing. he tells the
• 34:50
  police that he and the teenager had been drinking and he didn't
• 34:54
  realize she was underage and she had freaked out when things had
• 34:57
  turned sexual, He walks out of the police station with a court
• 35:03
  date and left him more than a warning.
• 35:05
  Wow, Ow, they fucking love him. Now, the next six murders
• 35:10
  happened in the course of one month.
• 35:12
  So we have July 2nd, 1981, Simon Parkington 9 abducted raped.
• 35:18
  And strangled exactly one week after that, Judy kozma who was
• 35:22
  14 and from New Westminster also strangled and sexually
• 35:26
  assaulted. She was found near.
• 35:28
  We were like on July 25th, then we have Raymond King who was 15
• 35:34
  abducted on the 23rd. Raped and bludgeoned to death of
• 35:39
  the hammer. Sigrid, I'm mess her name up.
• 35:46
  She's from Germany and that's kind of almost one of the
• 35:49
  saddest ones because she's just here on vacation, her name was
• 35:54
  sick, hren signal during ironed. I swiped this a people's names,
• 36:00
  right? And she was 18 and she's just a
• 36:03
  German tourists and she was also raped and bludgeoned to death on
• 36:06
  the 25th, two days. After that he kidnapped are
• 36:09
  Elin. Carson 15 and then he killed and
• 36:12
  kidnapped. Louise Louise Chartrand she was
• 36:17
  17 year olds years old and that was on July 30th.
• 36:20
  So I'm kind of going to go through these murders because I
• 36:24
  also want to explain the movement of the police as
• 36:29
  they're happening, all right. Now with all of them it's the
• 36:34
  same thing coerced akin to the truck offer them a drink drug
• 36:37
  them if it's alcohol soda. Either way it's always laced
• 36:41
  with something sometimes though it was just drugs.
• 36:47
  Sometimes he uses his tools, which he kept under the front
• 36:50
  seat, his little murder box to torture them, other times.
• 36:54
  He strangled them Simon Parkington was strangled by hand
• 36:58
  since he was so small, and he was buried in this particular
• 37:02
  wet soil by the river. Once Simon disappeared, the
• 37:07
  police determined, these are not Runaways And we have a problem.
• 37:15
  So, The Press is in, on this at this point and they're like
• 37:19
  these kids are all being kidnapped and killed in the
• 37:21
  Lower. Mainland area Canada, has a
• 37:24
  serial killer, and as soon as they pick up on that, in terms
• 37:28
  of the media, the media also pinpoint the police.
• 37:32
  How does it take you six kids missing to realize that this is
• 37:34
  a problem. And of course the other issue is
• 37:38
  just as the police are beginning to catch up.
• 37:41
  He's killing five more at the same time as happens all in the
• 37:44
  course of one month. When Judy kozma goes missing The
• 37:47
  newspapers immediately zoom in on her, she's a potential victim
• 37:51
  and one of Clifford's friends tells the police that he saw a
• 37:54
  girl who looked like, Judy and Clifford's car.
• 37:57
  But the police were like, listen, we need you to go on
• 38:00
  record and he's like, no, no, no.
• 38:03
  He backs out. He's like, I'm not sure.
• 38:05
  It was just a girl who kind of looked like the girl in the
• 38:07
  picture. Judy's family goes public on TV,
• 38:10
  they request information. Clifford responds by looking up
• 38:17
  this family's information, calling them, and mocking them,
• 38:21
  about the death of their child. Come on, he tells Judy's parents
• 38:24
  that she's dead and that she sobbed and begged him and
• 38:28
  pleaded with him. In fact, he had recorded her
• 38:33
  screams and he played them for her parents or at least who he
• 38:36
  thought was her parents. In fact who he actually called
• 38:39
  was the cosmos landlord The police put a wiretap on the
• 38:44
  landlord's phone and side note even though the mom didn't have
• 38:47
  to hear her childlike screaming, it's the real bad just hearing
• 38:53
  that. Yeah, that's someone calls your
• 38:55
  house. But either way, they put a
• 38:59
  wiretap on the phone, but Clifford never calls that number
• 39:02
  back. He's not stupid.
• 39:04
  Now, this is the first time that the police realized that he had
• 39:07
  recordings of the crimes. And they learn that this serial
• 39:12
  killers trophies, aren't clothing or items, it's their
• 39:16
  voices. This is a detail that could be
• 39:21
  used to find him, but it's real bad.
• 39:26
  Now, Raymond King is picked up, just like all the other boys
• 39:29
  with an offer for a job, but Raymond actually fought him back
• 39:33
  and ran away, and he probably would have gotten away.
• 39:36
  Except they ended up fighting and Raymond fell down an
• 39:39
  embankment, where he broke his legs Clifford, then climbed down
• 39:45
  the embankment and Bash, the boy's head in with a rock.
• 39:50
  Sacred arm was just naive. She thought that all the people
• 39:55
  she met in Canada were so kind and nice.
• 39:57
  And so, when they stranger offered her a ride, she was
• 40:00
  like, okay, it was after synchron's murder, that the
• 40:04
  police began to watch Clifford. And they didn't think he was the
• 40:12
  murderer, but they were like, he's got to know, he's got to
• 40:16
  know something, he always knows something.
• 40:19
  Whoo, yah horse so they bring him in for questioning and they
• 40:21
  asked him over and over again. Are there any new criminals in
• 40:24
  town? Do you know a lot of these
• 40:27
  children? How do you know these children
• 40:29
  Clifford's like? Well how much will you pay me?
• 40:31
  If I find this out for you, you know, if I go undercover like I
• 40:34
  used to and the police were like, listen, we've got
• 40:37
  discretionary funds but you got to give us Gonna go on here and
• 40:41
  so Clifford and his greed makes a stupid move.
• 40:44
  He's like, listen, I don't know who did this but I think I know
• 40:48
  where the bodies might be. And he tells them some of the
• 40:51
  locations saying that, you know, he Heard it Through the
• 40:54
  Grapevine, but this does not make any logical sense.
• 40:58
  Yeah. Okay, first of all, I'm still
• 41:01
  pissed even though I realized, like I remembered that you told
• 41:05
  me that I was going to be upset this episode because the fucking
• 41:07
  police hate him. To tell him.
• 41:11
  Hey, do you find out how much in, just how this goes down?
• 41:15
  No, I don't want to know sad. So, here's the thing.
• 41:22
  The police are like, yeah, yeah. We'll look into that.
• 41:25
  And they're like, okay, either he's the killer, or he's an
• 41:28
  accomplice because election sure we'll pay you having no
• 41:33
  intention to pay him, they put him under 24-hour surveillance.
• 41:38
  Unfortunately, it wasn't, it didn't get approved fast enough
• 41:42
  because Terry Lynn Carson got abducted in the same area where
• 41:46
  he picked up Christine Weller. He actually had seen her a bunch
• 41:49
  of times as he drove around town.
• 41:51
  And one day after casing her, he stopped and offered her a ride.
• 41:55
  Same as before, applies are with drinks.
• 41:57
  Takes her out to Chilliwack assaults her while she's under
• 42:00
  the influence and waits until she wakes up then strangles her
• 42:04
  and stabbed her to death. I believe that Terry's murder
• 42:12
  was him attempting to relive his first one.
• 42:15
  He picked her up in the same community and he committed the
• 42:19
  same crime. He killed her in the same way
• 42:23
  and this isn't uncommon for serial killers that first kill
• 42:29
  is like getting high on a drug and just like somebody who
• 42:33
  abuses drugs, the same amount of drugs, no longer are effective
• 42:38
  with killing Can't never recapture that feeling.
• 42:42
  So they go into a frenzy, trying to get the adrenaline rush from
• 42:45
  before Clifford, is in the middle of a frenzy, as far as
• 42:49
  like, how the FBI defines this, but unlike say, a serial killer
• 42:52
  at Kemper, he's not self-aware enough to understand the
• 42:57
  compulsion and just three days after killing Terry.
• 43:00
  He's back on the street hunting for another victim, and that was
• 43:04
  Louis, chartres, and on July 30th.
• 43:07
  Louise was the oldest victim at 17 years old and she was on her
• 43:10
  way to work in Maple Ridge, British Columbia.
• 43:14
  He offered her a ride. To take her the rest of the way
• 43:18
  and Louise wasn't unaware of the risks.
• 43:20
  She more than likely had seen the new stories but Clifford
• 43:22
  knew how to turn on the charm when he needed it.
• 43:25
  And so she accepted the ride but she very quickly realized they
• 43:29
  were driving away from her job pretty quickly.
• 43:32
  She refused his offer to drink anything and she even tried to
• 43:35
  talk her way out of the Our, when she went to try and open
• 43:39
  the door, he hit her in the head with a hammer and knocked her
• 43:42
  out. He took her up to Whistler
• 43:44
  Mountain and pretty much did anything possible that he could
• 43:48
  to try and give himself some semblance of satisfaction, but
• 43:52
  it just wasn't doing anything. And virtually.
• 43:56
  As soon as he buried Louise, he went back out on the road,
• 44:00
  looking for another victim that night.
• 44:03
  Now, unbeknownst to clever at the police assemble a quiet
• 44:06
  time. Task force very quietly who are
• 44:09
  following him all day long. The even watch him.
• 44:13
  Commit other crimes like burglary, and they're like oh so
• 44:18
  that explains why he has so much money because he's working his
• 44:21
  regular job and also burglarizing like he must have
• 44:25
  been going out virtually every night.
• 44:27
  And when he wasn't trying to like find victims, he's just
• 44:30
  stealing stuff. But they're like listen we don't
• 44:35
  care if he burglarized has a home we'll deal with that later.
• 44:39
  Plus he's already been to prison 20 times for burglary and they
• 44:44
  watched him go and buy drugs. Do drugs they took notes about
• 44:50
  how he was living like a complete double life and it was
• 44:53
  something that his wife didn't know about.
• 44:56
  But I'm just gonna, this isn't a situation like Judith with the
• 45:01
  Green River Killer. I think Joan just like didn't
• 45:06
  want to see anything because Clifford is not doing a good
• 45:11
  job. Like at hiding things like she's
• 45:16
  like he's home. He's look at that.
• 45:19
  He's feeding the baby. Wonderful good.
• 45:22
  Good. Good.
• 45:23
  Almost husband. good husband, but like outside of that, he
• 45:30
  seems erratic randomly getting wasted every night like And they
• 45:39
  also knows that like he would just take off and drive four
• 45:43
  hours in a random Direction. And then you would stop in a new
• 45:46
  city and he would talk to all these different people and they
• 45:50
  just kind of watch this go on for about two weeks.
• 45:55
  This was an exceptionally expensive surveillance up, he is
• 45:58
  costing them so much money in gas and this is when gas was
• 46:02
  like a dollar 25. Oh wow.
• 46:06
  So they're like what is he going to do something?
• 46:10
  They have to wait too long August 12th.
• 46:13
  He pretty much spent hours driving back and forth over
• 46:18
  Vancouver Island until he sees two young girls hitchhiking and
• 46:23
  they were on a Road. Near Port Alberni, and the
• 46:26
  police are sitting there distance and they can see
• 46:29
  virtually everything. It's nighttime, he has the light
• 46:31
  on the Jeep and the girls are kind of talking to him through
• 46:34
  the window. and they're kind of going back and forth and these
• 46:37
  particular officers are struggling because they're like
• 46:45
  If we pick the wrong time, we lose the opportunity to get him.
• 46:50
  But what if he picks these girls up and we lose them?
• 46:55
  And he kills both of them. so they're pretty much sitting
• 46:59
  there they're like but if we you know if we pick them up too
• 47:02
  early well given to girls a ride home isn't illegal You know?
• 47:07
  And so they're kind of argue against this is going on.
• 47:10
  And this goes on for like another 20, 30 minutes is the
• 47:12
  girls are kind of I guess bartering with him too.
• 47:16
  And the two girls walk around and climb into the truck.
• 47:19
  One in the passenger seat and one in the local backseat.
• 47:24
  And the officers are like, you know what, screw it and they
• 47:27
  turn on the siren and pull him over, pull the girls out of the
• 47:30
  truck and then they kind of as they have him like cuffed in the
• 47:36
  backseat of their car like okay crap.
• 47:39
  We didn't we can't catch him in the ACT but what do we do?
• 47:44
  So they put them in a Cell in Burnaby and they put them in on
• 47:49
  burglary charges because they're like we saw him burglarize like
• 47:53
  five houses. So we Got him on that, and with
• 47:56
  his extensively long history of Escape attempts, no bail, right?
• 48:02
  And so then the higher ranking officers show up and they're
• 48:06
  like, wow, Clifford back at it again.
• 48:12
  Yeah, exactly. Normally when Clifford would get
• 48:16
  caught like, for the burgers or stuff, he would just kind of
• 48:19
  give up and be like, yeah, whatever I did it.
• 48:22
  And so they've kind of walked into the room with him and they
• 48:25
  were like So so what happened here?
• 48:29
  And normally Clifford was Booth, the police.
• 48:32
  He kind of played this like me Kroll with them but the the
• 48:35
  Clifford they met that day was a different man.
• 48:37
  This was not fearful Clifford as soon as these officers walk in,
• 48:42
  he waits for them to all come in and he goes.
• 48:45
  I'll let you know where the rest of the bodies are.
• 48:48
  He's like, I need you to pay me money that I can put into a
• 48:51
  trust for my son and my wife, and the police are kind of like
• 48:56
  what? Yeah.
• 48:57
  What the fuck and who's walking? They're like, well Just say, we
• 49:02
  believe you how much money do you think each of the bodies are
• 49:06
  worth? And he goes ten thousand dollars
• 49:08
  per child know immediately. They think it's a scam, they're
• 49:14
  like, okay, we don't have the right guy.
• 49:17
  These younger officers, got it wrong, he's just messing with
• 49:20
  us, you know. But they keep them, they hold
• 49:26
  them and they go. Well, we've got his car in
• 49:30
  impound because that's normally what happens when you get
• 49:32
  arrested. And so they decide not to
• 49:35
  respond to Clifford's offer, but they do decide to go and give
• 49:38
  his truck a look over. And that's when they find his
• 49:41
  little box of Tricks, under the front seat, the syringes the
• 49:44
  drugs, the Hammer of the spikes, everything cleaned particular
• 49:47
  asleep, but definitely very, very suspicious, and they just
• 49:51
  can't find anything. There's no gas station ticket,
• 49:54
  that shows him in the city where the kids were picked up or the
• 49:57
  Went missing. I mean they pull this truck
• 50:00
  apart and then they find something wedged into the
• 50:05
  passenger seat so far, back that it's touching the mechanism that
• 50:11
  allows the seat to recline and it's a school notebook.
• 50:16
  What? The name, Judy kozma written on
• 50:19
  it in a young girl's handwriting.
• 50:24
  They actually stopped everything.
• 50:26
  No interrogation, no nothing. We're just like, okay, so we
• 50:31
  know that Judy was in his truck. They're like, he's gonna agree
• 50:39
  and it meant that he did it. We just have to give him a
• 50:42
  hundred thousand dollars. They go back to the
• 50:46
  interrogation. They give him cigars food
• 50:49
  anything to try and get them talking, but he's not giving
• 50:52
  anything. And the only piece of evidence
• 50:55
  they have is this notebook and it's not enough, but still they
• 50:59
  head over to the prosecutors and they bring up all the
• 51:01
  circumstantial evidence. And on August 25th, he's charged
• 51:04
  with the murder of Jews. Judy kozma.
• 51:08
  There's still this weird question in the air though,
• 51:09
  about whether they should accept this weird deal.
• 51:12
  At this point, the police only have four bodies and 11 total
• 51:17
  missing children, they rip apart his house.
• 51:20
  They find nothing, no tapes, no items, no nothing, they
• 51:26
  investigate Joan, they find nothing.
• 51:28
  And then Man by the name of Corporal Fred mail.
• 51:34
  Goes and pulls Clifford out of his cell for interrogation and
• 51:38
  when Clifford meets Corporal male he's like okay, this is the
• 51:41
  guy, this is the guy that gets stuff done.
• 51:44
  And so Clifford just says 11 bodies for a hundred thousand
• 51:47
  dollars and male repeats it back to him like for a hundred
• 51:52
  thousand dollars in cash. You want to provide us with the
• 51:55
  bodies of the missing kids and Clifford's like not just the
• 51:58
  bodies. I'll give you a signed statement
• 52:01
  on each of them and evidence. I'll sign off on everyone.
• 52:08
  So Corporal males like listen, We can't just give you all this
• 52:13
  money based on your say, we would need some kind of
• 52:16
  assurance that you're on the level and Clifford's.
• 52:19
  Like, you know, likewise I want to make sure that Joan gets the
• 52:22
  money before we go any further and that you all aren't trying
• 52:25
  to trick me. So he's like, how about this?
• 52:28
  I'll give you a freebie. I'll tell you where this child
• 52:31
  is and give you the statement, you get the ten thousand dollars
• 52:35
  in cash. And when we go to the scene, you
• 52:38
  call your men and hand that money.
• 52:40
  Over to my Joan and I'll call Joan to make sure she got it and
• 52:44
  then we can get on with the rest of that.
• 52:47
  This conversation, definitely settles it for the rest of the
• 52:50
  police that they have the right guy.
• 52:53
  But Corporal mail however isn't fully ready to commit.
• 52:56
  So Corporal males like what about your lawyer?
• 53:00
  Like your lawyer is not going to just sit back and let you do
• 53:03
  this and Clifford lasted him. This is all being recorded and
• 53:07
  Clifford's. Like this is my lawyer, he works
• 53:09
  for me. He does what I tell him to do
• 53:12
  and then he asks, he's like, so let's write a contract and so
• 53:15
  here's what it says this is. Of an agreement between RCMP,
• 53:20
  that's the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Clifford
• 53:23
  Robert Olson. This is this will be paid to
• 53:28
  assist paid by the RCMP to mrs. Jones, I'll send for the
• 53:32
  following information ten thousand dollars cash for each
• 53:35
  body of a missing person up to seven bodies.
• 53:38
  Thirty thousand dollars for information of four bodies which
• 53:41
  have already been recovered, which relate to the above seven.
• 53:44
  Other people missing the agreement should be undertaken
• 53:47
  and shall be binding and law as not to disclose this
• 53:49
  information. In this agreement to the
• 53:51
  Canadian, press the following missing persons are covered in
• 53:54
  the city are covered in, disagreement Judy kozma, Darren
• 53:58
  Todd, John's Rod, Raymond King, Simon.
• 54:00
  Partington 8 quart Louis chartres and Christine Weller.
• 54:03
  Terry Len, Carson Colleen marrying diagonal, sick.
• 54:07
  Renard and one identify unidentified female ten thousand
• 54:12
  dollars will be paid to miss Alston up to a total of the
• 54:15
  recovery of seven bodies Clifford.
• 54:17
  Science it asked us, Corporal mail, but Corporal mail is like
• 54:20
  listen, this has to be approved by somebody way higher up than
• 54:24
  me. He's like I don't have
• 54:26
  permission to To give a hundred thousand dollars to you.
• 54:29
  And after the interviews over Clifford calls, Joan and he's
• 54:32
  like, listen, you're going to be rich, you're going to live in
• 54:35
  the lap of luxury for the rest of your life.
• 54:39
  Thanks to the deal that I just made and Jones.
• 54:42
  Like what are you talking about? The police were just here.
• 54:45
  They tore up the house. They keep asking me.
• 54:48
  All these are terrible questions about you and he's just like
• 54:54
  This phone call is being recorded, but you're going to
• 54:57
  get a visit from my lawyer, who's going to lay things out
• 55:00
  for you? Don't talk about anything over
• 55:02
  the phone but you and Stephen are going to be well taken care
• 55:06
  of. So, Corporal male takes this
• 55:08
  paper, the commanding officers, his commanding officers and
• 55:12
  they're like, we don't have the ability to give him this.
• 55:15
  And so, those guys take it to their superiors, who look at it
• 55:19
  and are like, we don't have the ability to approve this.
• 55:24
  And it goes all the way up to the attorney general Allen
• 55:28
  Williams. The Attorney General is
• 55:30
  responsible for pretty much all of the criminal justice
• 55:32
  proceedings that happen in Canada and attorney, general
• 55:37
  Williams has a lot to think about.
• 55:40
  He's like, listen, plea, Bargains and things of that
• 55:42
  nature aren't uncommon in our justice system.
• 55:45
  And there's background deals and backroom deals.
• 55:51
  He looks over Olsen's history and he's Like the police have
• 55:55
  paid him. A fair amount of money over the
• 55:57
  years to be an informant. Is this any different the
• 56:02
  problem and what really got stuck for him as that he doesn't
• 56:07
  want to be the one to give a criminal money.
• 56:12
  For his crime. He also doesn't want to set a
• 56:15
  precedent that a criminal. Could turn themselves in for
• 56:18
  money because that's going to cause a huge massive too.
• 56:22
  He knows the only way that he thinks he can even get close to
• 56:26
  having this greenlit, is that there is absolutely no way
• 56:30
  Clifford Olson, Junior can ever leave prison ever again.
• 56:35
  And that would mean, because if he was allowed to leave again,
• 56:38
  that's the opportunity to kill now, attorney general Williams,
• 56:42
  look over all the evidence and he agrees with the lower
• 56:46
  prosecutors, there's no way. We're going to get a conviction
• 56:49
  with only circumstantial evidence.
• 56:52
  Even if they take the freebie and let the rest of the crime
• 56:54
  stand on solved, the citizens of Canada aren't going to be happy
• 56:58
  about that either. Even with the signed confession
• 57:02
  because there's still seven, missing or 60 B 6 more missing
• 57:05
  people. And he's like, all right, well
• 57:09
  Olsen said, he'll never tell anyone and if we can keep the
• 57:13
  police from leaking, this then, maybe it'll be okay.
• 57:17
  He sits on it for a little bit but ultimately he does sign the
• 57:19
  deal but he doesn't like it and he likes it even less when they
• 57:24
  bring Clifford into his office a couple days later.
• 57:28
  Clifford's wearing this snazzy suit and his lawyers were there.
• 57:32
  Jonas, there, she's in a complete zombified State like
• 57:36
  Clifford's making jokes laughing, a couple times the
• 57:41
  Olson. Lawyers actually ask Joan, does
• 57:44
  your husband know what he's doing?
• 57:46
  And It's like listen, don't worry about it.
• 57:48
  I know they're going to say horrible things.
• 57:50
  I did it wasn't me. Who did that?
• 57:53
  I was drunk and high when those things happen.
• 57:56
  Well, sure it was you which doesn't really change the
• 57:59
  situation for Joan because the man that she loves is about to
• 58:03
  admit to the world that he has raped and murdered 11 children.
• 58:08
  And in fact, in the middle of the office, she just breaks
• 58:10
  down. Then Clifford starts telling
• 58:14
  people how he wants the money disbursed.
• 58:16
  How much is going to go to the lawyer for their fees, how much
• 58:18
  he's gonna send to his parents. The rest was going to be put in
• 58:21
  a trust that junk control for the baby and mind you.
• 58:25
  He asked for this in cash. So they actually have a hundred
• 58:28
  thousand dollars in cash. Oh my God, suitcases and stuff
• 58:33
  to their friend, the Attorney General.
• 58:37
  And he asks his lawyer. Hey, do you think we can make
• 58:40
  any more money? If I wrote a book he's like I'll
• 58:44
  call it kiss daddy. Goodbye.
• 58:46
  What the fuck? I'm sorry.
• 58:48
  I'm sorry. I told you, this is the most
• 58:52
  Gall I think I've ever seen but it's just were not even at the
• 58:56
  worst Parts yet my God, he offers to tell the lawyer
• 59:00
  everything and the lawyer is actually like kind of grossed
• 59:04
  out. And he does want to do any more
• 59:08
  work for Clifford Olson after this Attorney.
• 59:13
  General William said that the whole scene made him sick and
• 59:16
  that he had made a deal with Satan himself.
• 59:19
  But after that, his day doesn't get much better.
• 59:20
  Because now they dress him up as a police officer in a disguise
• 59:24
  and then they have to drive him around British Columbia with
• 59:27
  Corporal mail and for the detectives in the first car
• 59:31
  Clifford is having The Best Time Ever.
• 59:34
  He's so excited. The center of attention and he
• 59:37
  is reviling and showing off his handiwork and this is when he
• 59:41
  explains everything he every single detail.
• 59:44
  And those five men in the car with him have to sit with him as
• 59:48
  they are driving hours across Canada, back and forth to get
• 59:52
  all these different bodies and mind you behind them.
• 59:55
  Are other police cars Corners Vans to to put the remains in to
• 1:00:03
  take them back. They did record.
• 1:00:05
  Or doll 11 confessions that day and he's talking about like the
• 1:00:09
  death rattles and the smells all the nasty stuff.
• 1:00:16
  But ultimately, everybody is exhumed and the sites to get are
• 1:00:20
  secured. They transfer the money to
• 1:00:24
  Joanne and she puts it in her bank account.
• 1:00:29
  And ultimately the police have to admit in the end that without
• 1:00:32
  Clifford's confession, it's highly unlikely.
• 1:00:34
  They would have found these bodies.
• 1:00:36
  Many of them were seriously decayed already because of where
• 1:00:40
  they were buried, or where they were Stewart, bodies and water
• 1:00:43
  bloat, which totally ruins decomposition.
• 1:00:48
  Some of the soil, where some of the bodies were buried mummified
• 1:00:52
  The Remains because of the Pete that was in the soil, some of
• 1:00:57
  the rectums could only. Identified through dental
• 1:01:00
  records because they had been so severely like their skulls were
• 1:01:03
  shattered. All of them had to be identified
• 1:01:06
  by forensic pathologists. And when the, when the police
• 1:01:14
  realized that the victim who was unknown to them, was the German
• 1:01:18
  tourists. They were like, crap.
• 1:01:20
  We didn't even know she was gone because we didn't even know she
• 1:01:22
  was here. Wow, we never would have found
• 1:01:26
  her like, as far as her family was concerned Sigmund.
• 1:01:29
  Just sicker and just hadn't. Come back from her trip yet.
• 1:01:33
  And even with her physical body and the description of what she
• 1:01:36
  looked like before she died. It's still took the police
• 1:01:39
  months to get her official records from Germany, so they
• 1:01:41
  could file her death properly and then send her remains back
• 1:01:45
  to her family in Germany. This is a very long day and the
• 1:01:51
  police officers who have to sit with him all day are not happy
• 1:01:54
  because as part of his deal, he only wants to eat at
• 1:01:58
  steakhouses. So that's three medians
• 1:02:03
  McDonald's. Three Mia.
• 1:02:06
  That's still too good for him three meals.
• 1:02:08
  I know it really is so he's eating baked potatoes and
• 1:02:10
  T-bone, steaks and drinking soda and happily chatting with the
• 1:02:14
  waitress. And I can just imagine these
• 1:02:16
  five officers just unhappy to be here.
• 1:02:21
  In the meantime, Joan is devastated.
• 1:02:23
  All of this goes on without the media knowing anything.
• 1:02:27
  Corporal male called in all the favors that He had the Attorney
• 1:02:31
  General also called in all the favors and they told the media
• 1:02:36
  you cannot report on this. Because of the citizens of
• 1:02:41
  Canada know that we just paid a serial killer 100 Grand.
• 1:02:45
  There's going to be hell to pay. So, a couple of days later, he
• 1:02:51
  asks for the Attorney General Clifford asks and so the
• 1:02:56
  Attorney General shows up and it's just like, I thought our
• 1:02:58
  business here was done and Clifford says, well listen, I
• 1:03:02
  gave you the first one for free and I gave you the the next set
• 1:03:06
  for 100,000. What if I told you there were
• 1:03:08
  another 20 bodies and I'll pay you, 5,000 dollars a piece for
• 1:03:11
  those Purple mail is here when this is going on.
• 1:03:17
  He's like, I don't know if this is true or not.
• 1:03:22
  But they write it down and they're like, you know what,
• 1:03:24
  just like last time we got to talk to our superiors, got to do
• 1:03:29
  and here's a problem. They thought this investigation
• 1:03:32
  was over. Nope.
• 1:03:33
  Now it's not. And the problem is there are a
• 1:03:37
  butt ton of people missing in North America.
• 1:03:39
  North America people travel and it Canada Canadians travel into
• 1:03:42
  America and it's in Turley possible that he could have
• 1:03:46
  picked up any number of hitchhikers and killed them.
• 1:03:48
  Even just accounting for the people who are only missing in
• 1:03:51
  British Columbia, we're still talking potentially a thousand
• 1:03:53
  people and any one of them could have been hits.
• 1:03:56
  I mean, at one point, Canada did have a highway serial killer and
• 1:04:00
  right now, people believe that there is another Highway serial
• 1:04:04
  killer who is Indigenous women that's in the 2020s.
• 1:04:10
  So, the police are like, all right, we're gonna look through
• 1:04:13
  every single unsolved murder and see if there's any potential.
• 1:04:17
  Like any validity that there could be another 20, right?
• 1:04:23
  So they try and narrow it down. To his behavioral patterns
• 1:04:28
  because they figured they'd find the method in the madness.
• 1:04:32
  Like, even though there was no pattern, the lack of a pattern
• 1:04:38
  is a pattern makes one Even when they scale it down to the time
• 1:04:47
  period when he was. So at first, they just get in
• 1:04:51
  the area where he was living and they kind of triangulate his
• 1:04:54
  movements and where he was driving.
• 1:04:56
  They get 17 young women and six girls.
• 1:05:01
  And then they scale it down to the time, between November, 17th
• 1:05:05
  and July 1981, and they have 20 potential victims.
• 1:05:13
  So Corporal mail comes back to the prison and he's like, all
• 1:05:16
  right, let's talk about this. And this time Clifford's kind of
• 1:05:19
  mad he's had to wait. Now he's just like you know what
• 1:05:22
  I changed my mind, it's back up to ten thousand dollars a body
• 1:05:25
  and the very quickly kind of catches himself and he's like,
• 1:05:27
  you know what? No worries.
• 1:05:29
  The bodies will still be there when you come back around.
• 1:05:33
  He actually quote he says you always know where to find me.
• 1:05:38
  Meaning jail. Now, pending the trial he gets
• 1:05:44
  put in jail thing is, he can't blend in, everyone knows why
• 1:05:49
  He's there and child. Predators aren't exactly true.
• 1:05:52
  Very nice in any prison. The prisoners this time through
• 1:05:55
  lit cigarettes at him. They throw trash into his cell
• 1:05:58
  when he's sleeping, they knock him around, knock him over push
• 1:06:02
  him, finally gets to a point where they have to put him in
• 1:06:06
  solitary all, but two hours a day, he's allowed to exercise
• 1:06:10
  for one hour when nobody else is in the yard and It the rest of
• 1:06:14
  this time that he's by himself. He's calling up reporters and
• 1:06:20
  complaining about the conditions in the prison.
• 1:06:22
  He says, I'm living like a dog and when they return my suit
• 1:06:26
  that I wore, when they brought me into custody, someone took
• 1:06:30
  off all the buttons and wrote Baby fucker on it.
• 1:06:33
  So you know, just to remind them why it was there.
• 1:06:37
  Probably a guard, probably a garden, definitely guard.
• 1:06:41
  So of course, like he gives all the local newspapers all the
• 1:06:47
  details and he's like, you know, and he does this because he's
• 1:06:55
  good at he wants to threaten The attorney general that like, you
• 1:07:00
  know, I'm going to tell them what happened and you're going
• 1:07:03
  to get in trouble if you don't give me another hundred grand.
• 1:07:08
  But what he doesn't know is that the Press already know and
• 1:07:11
  they've already been paid off, which is why they haven't been
• 1:07:13
  writing about it already. And pretty much the train
• 1:07:17
  General tells them. Listen, if you talk about this
• 1:07:20
  at all, I'm going to hold you in contempt of court.
• 1:07:22
  This is prejudicial knowledge and essentially they're worried
• 1:07:26
  that if this goes to trial. And that information is in the
• 1:07:30
  papers, it will skew the jury. It'll cause a mistrial, the date
• 1:07:34
  for the first trial is set, but they actually don't end up
• 1:07:37
  having to have a jury. He just straight up his leg and
• 1:07:40
  I need a jury. I did it.
• 1:07:43
  He even cried while he confessed to all of the murders.
• 1:07:49
  After the cork, cork read that all the charges, he says, guilty
• 1:07:53
  just as Harry. McKay was, the presiding judge.
• 1:07:55
  You had a lot to say about Clifford Olson, Junior,
• 1:07:58
  specifically. He said no punishment that any
• 1:08:01
  civilized country could impose would be adequate for the
• 1:08:03
  severity of your crimes. You should never be granted
• 1:08:06
  parole for the remainder of your days.
• 1:08:07
  It would be foolhardy to let you at large.
• 1:08:10
  And he was sent to Kingston Penitentiary where he was
• 1:08:13
  suspend the rest of his natural life.
• 1:08:15
  And, for a moment, it seemed like the media circus was over.
• 1:08:20
  and then one, Newspaper published the deal because
• 1:08:26
  they're like, there's no trial. The trials, there's no content
• 1:08:32
  of Courtney Moore. The public is outraged, the
• 1:08:37
  families are outraged. There's an immediate campaign to
• 1:08:40
  try and force them to return the money to Canada or forbid to get
• 1:08:44
  for it to be given to the families of victims.
• 1:08:47
  But John's like, I'm not giving this back attorney, general
• 1:08:51
  Williams is Public. Enemy Number One or Public
• 1:08:54
  Enemy. Number Two Clifford is number
• 1:08:56
  one. And he tells like, Williams
• 1:08:59
  tells the Press, like, this was a unique case, I don't think
• 1:09:02
  anything, like this will happen. Again, the decision was not easy
• 1:09:04
  for me to make. His crimes are so horrible, they
• 1:09:08
  shouldn't be revealed. I don't want to dwell on the
• 1:09:11
  details. Robert Chance, who was one of
• 1:09:15
  Clifford's attorneys even came out saying that this was
• 1:09:18
  politically insane members of parliament, contemned attorney
• 1:09:22
  general Williams and pretty much told him your career is over,
• 1:09:26
  from that point on the police, tried to seize the money from
• 1:09:28
  Joan But discovered it was already gone.
• 1:09:32
  Damn, she spent all of it or she moved it.
• 1:09:36
  There's a public inquiry into what happened.
• 1:09:39
  They're trying to find any level of wrongdoing on the side of the
• 1:09:43
  police, the justice department, the corner.
• 1:09:45
  They look at everybody, they investigate everyone then of
• 1:09:50
  course it becomes a discussion of why didn't you guys pursue
• 1:09:52
  him earlier? What the hell were you doing?
• 1:09:55
  When he raped The Prostitute? The first murder happened around
• 1:09:58
  the same time. Jonah's getting harassed by the
• 1:10:02
  Press because she accepted the money and one paper, she just
• 1:10:05
  goes, I'm a good person. I can look myself in the eye in
• 1:10:08
  the mirror and not feel ashamed. And I kind of understand because
• 1:10:12
  she was a victim to in some ways.
• 1:10:14
  This one all the way up to the Supreme Court and the Supreme
• 1:10:16
  Court could not take the money from her.
• 1:10:19
  The contract was airtight just because it's immoral, doesn't
• 1:10:22
  make it illegal, of course, Clifford is Having a great time.
• 1:10:30
  He is sending little bits that he wrote himself to the local
• 1:10:33
  papers. One of the guards was quoted in
• 1:10:36
  a newspaper saying they said that they heard him.
• 1:10:39
  Say, if I gave a damn about these families, I wouldn't have
• 1:10:42
  killed her kids. Eventually the prison cuts off.
• 1:10:50
  Clifford's communication, he's not allowed to talk to anybody,
• 1:10:52
  not even his family, but he still manages to pass off his
• 1:10:56
  stories and writings to other inmates who Off to the press, it
• 1:10:59
  got to the point where some of his victims families were
• 1:11:02
  pursuing, civil cases against him, because of what he was
• 1:11:05
  saying publicly, they started suing him for injuries losses,
• 1:11:09
  but the problem is, like they won those civil cases, but he
• 1:11:13
  had nothing. Nothing was in his name.
• 1:11:16
  Even the house, they owned was in Jones.
• 1:11:18
  Name is terrible. Yep.
• 1:11:24
  He could work the rest of his days in prison and never make
• 1:11:26
  enough money to pay what he owed to those people.
• 1:11:30
  And for a little bit of time, he's quiet, he spends, time
• 1:11:32
  focusing on parole which is another annoyance.
• 1:11:36
  Because in almost every country in the world natural life when
• 1:11:40
  you get life in prison tends to be about 25 to 30 years.
• 1:11:44
  That's why in some more of the heinous cases in the United
• 1:11:46
  States. They'll do multiple life
• 1:11:48
  sentences to make sure that someone doesn't leave right?
• 1:11:52
  So, Clifford's First parole hearing is in 1997.
• 1:11:56
  He applied under a clause called The Faint hope clause or Canada
• 1:12:00
  criminal code. Ask. 7 45.6 which is a statutory
• 1:12:04
  provision that allows a prisoner who's been sentenced to life in
• 1:12:07
  prison. To be eligible for parole once
• 1:12:10
  they've served 15 years. He is denied Force.
• 1:12:19
  Canadian law also says, if you've been convicted of
• 1:12:21
  first-degree murder, you can apply for parole after you've
• 1:12:25
  served 25 years. So on July 18, 2006, he tries
• 1:12:34
  again. He's also denied also around
• 1:12:40
  this time, he makes a bunch of bizarre claims like he said that
• 1:12:42
  the u.s. grant him clemency because he knew things about
• 1:12:47
  September 11th. What should we know sense?
• 1:12:50
  Because like he was in prison. Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  A fortunately after that, under Canadian law, he is allowed to
• 1:12:57
  request parole, every two years or more, and he does it in 2010.
• 1:13:08
  Like every two years and they refused him every single time
• 1:13:11
  now in 2010, he's the source of another bit of controversy.
• 1:13:15
  When the media find out that he's receiving government
• 1:13:18
  benefits from Canada, while in prison house, which amounted to
• 1:13:24
  about 1,100 Canadian dollars. It's not a lot of money but like
• 1:13:29
  it's still like 900 bucks us, right?
• 1:13:33
  That's what are you should be good?
• 1:13:34
  Also he's now old enough to receive OAS which is the old age
• 1:13:39
  security. So I like a pension and pretty
• 1:13:43
  much it Canada people who meet residency requirements and of
• 1:13:46
  course, there's like the length of time you lived in Canada and
• 1:13:48
  are 65 or older. You receive that pension.
• 1:13:52
  And so January 1st 2010 Clifford was 70 years old.
• 1:13:57
  He's also eligible to receive something called the guaranteed
• 1:14:00
  income supplement which awarded was awarded to pensioners who
• 1:14:03
  have low income. And all this money is being held
• 1:14:06
  for him in a trust. So he didn't have access to it
• 1:14:08
  while he's in prison, but people are super mad that.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah he saw these rights. Yeah, absolutely So the Canadian
• 1:14:17
  taxpayers Federation ended up testifying before the committee
• 1:14:21
  for human resource development and they passed something called
• 1:14:24
  bill c31 which terminated pension benefits.
• 1:14:27
  For prisoners, the organization showed up with 46 thousand
• 1:14:31
  signatures from British Columbia requesting that Clifford never
• 1:14:35
  receive. These benefits, Prime Minister,
• 1:14:38
  Stephen Harper, had the government look into it and in
• 1:14:40
  June 1st, the government terminated his payments based on
• 1:14:43
  the fact that his crime was horrific.
• 1:14:46
  September of 2010. He sent one of those checks to
• 1:14:50
  the Sun to Sun media to a reporter.
• 1:14:53
  With a note asking the reporter to forward.
• 1:14:55
  The check to Stephen Harper's campaign for re-election.
• 1:15:00
  Hi-yah and September of 2011. He is discovered to have
• 1:15:06
  terminal cancer. He was transferred to Louisville
• 1:15:09
  Hospital and Quebec where he died a few weeks later at the
• 1:15:12
  age of 71 on September 30th. From the age of 17 Clifford
• 1:15:18
  Olson. Spent only 1501 days outside of
• 1:15:22
  a prison cell. That's crazy.
• 1:15:26
  If we take into account the total number of murders, he says
• 1:15:29
  he's committed. It would amount to about 10 a
• 1:15:31
  day. A lot of people say that he fits
• 1:15:35
  a lot of the classic psychopath checklist, and to be fair, when
• 1:15:40
  they gave him the psychopathy checklist, he scored 38 out of
• 1:15:44
  40. Yes.
• 1:15:46
  What's get that high? No, no.
• 1:15:49
  Hi is bad. And on this this assessment and
• 1:15:52
  it's a tool to assess institutionalized people.
• 1:15:56
  And yes, while he definitely did have some antisocial and
• 1:16:00
  narcissistic Tendencies he is Very, very manipulative, and
• 1:16:04
  it's very light and he wasn't stupid, so, it's potential that
• 1:16:08
  he could have manipulated those tests that they gave him, he
• 1:16:12
  wouldn't be the first serial killer to do.
• 1:16:14
  So again, at Kemper realized how to write cheat the test, and
• 1:16:21
  give them the answers that they want it.
• 1:16:25
  Clifford got high on attention and being more and more
• 1:16:29
  outrageous gave him more attention as far as his
• 1:16:33
  relationships. I think he like Joan.
• 1:16:35
  He liked that she did nice things for him.
• 1:16:37
  You'd mind they had sex, but I sincerely doubt he'll ever loved
• 1:16:42
  her. He's one of those few people I
• 1:16:44
  think never loved anybody. One time while he was in prison,
• 1:16:49
  a reporter asked him what do you think about Hannibal Lecter and
• 1:16:54
  Clifford said, he's made up, I'm the real thing.
• 1:17:00
  It's gross, he has over the year.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah, over the years. People were very upset with
• 1:17:06
  Joan. When she said, she still loved
• 1:17:08
  her husband. She did divorce him in March of
• 1:17:12
  1985 and pretty much kind of lived mostly in obscurity,
• 1:17:17
  occasionally responding to the Press over the years.
• 1:17:21
  She would tell the press that she never actually got to keep
• 1:17:24
  any of that money because she spent so much time in court.
• 1:17:30
  Due to the the families of the victims that it kind of just got
• 1:17:33
  cannibalized by court fees. And as for little baby Stephen
• 1:17:39
  Olson, we absolutely don't know what happened to him and I hope
• 1:17:44
  he lived a life where he didn't have to know what his dad does.
• 1:17:48
  I hope Joan change both their names and they moved on and had
• 1:17:52
  a perfectly normal life. You can only hope.
• 1:17:56
  Yep. And that's what I got.
• 1:17:59
  Attack. Well, that was infuriating.
• 1:18:05
  I told you. This is the part where he wants
• 1:18:10
  to write a book and the title of the book I'm going to God.
• 1:18:17
  Oh yeah. About saying goodbye to his son.
• 1:18:24
  Bra. No, okay.
• 1:18:26
  No. Okay, let's talk about Krypton,
• 1:18:33
  shall we? Yes, let's talk about some
• 1:18:35
  cryptic. Okay, awesome we're going to do
• 1:18:38
  that. Okay, so today's Creepy,
• 1:18:43
  whatever. It comes actually Brittany.
• 1:18:47
  You wanted to talk about this a few weeks ago.
• 1:18:49
  Actually, do you remember who you were?
• 1:19:00
  Okay, so This descripted or creature has a very, very true
• 1:19:13
  tail to it. It's from Kentucky Louisville.
• 1:19:20
  Is that the cool alien Cryptid? I don't think it's cool.
• 1:19:24
  That looks like it's wearing a dress.
• 1:19:26
  No, you still talking know that the Flatwoods Monster.
• 1:19:32
  I love the flower with monster not talking about I want to
• 1:19:36
  dress up like the Flatwoods Monster with a cosplay.
• 1:19:39
  Is this your flat ones? Monster.
• 1:19:42
  I want to dress up like the alien address.
• 1:19:45
  Not a recruitment is the Flatwoods Monster.
• 1:19:53
  Oh my God. We're going to get you a dress.
• 1:19:56
  That looks like it's damn Flatwoods Monster.
• 1:19:58
  Okay, we're going to do it for you.
• 1:20:02
  I think it's great. Oh my God.
• 1:20:06
  Okay so can't act from Kentucky. Yeah I didn't I don't think of
• 1:20:15
  anything from Kentucky other than chicken sorry.
• 1:20:22
  Y'all in Kentucky. Who listen?
• 1:20:25
  Oh my God, okay so isn't there a Sheepsquatch from a fall out?
• 1:20:30
  Okay, so in Kentucky is, there's a there's there's this Railroad
• 1:20:39
  underpass, right? Okay.
• 1:20:41
  It's called a Trestle Bridge, Okay?
• 1:20:45
  And the name of this Trestle bridge is called the pope lick
• 1:20:50
  Trestle Bridge. Does the pope lick monster ring
• 1:20:56
  any bells to goddamn? It's okay yeah it's something
• 1:21:05
  like I remember you were talking about on one day because you
• 1:21:08
  were looking at it and you're like oh my God, this thing is
• 1:21:10
  fucking we like okay. They're this Pope lick monster,
• 1:21:16
  it has different origin, stories.
• 1:21:25
  And I can there's one that's like the urban legends of this
• 1:21:29
  thing is weird. The first one is like, it's a,
• 1:21:34
  it's basically. I definitely didn't say anything
• 1:21:37
  about the public. This topic monster looks just
• 1:21:40
  like it honestly. Looks like what people A demon's
• 1:21:44
  look like it. I just I remember like I don't
• 1:21:48
  know what it was but you were talking about it and you're
• 1:21:52
  looking it up. I swear you were as this is not
• 1:21:55
  mean there's a lot of there's like a trail cam things that are
• 1:21:59
  supposed to look like. Yeah, I love trail cam, footage.
• 1:22:03
  It's awful and super terrible. But anyway, he lives under this
• 1:22:09
  one particular Bridge apparently so there are three different
• 1:22:13
  Current like versions of his urban legend.
• 1:22:18
  I'll talk about talk about the one in detail because that's
• 1:22:21
  like the main one, but the other two is one got a real cool
• 1:22:26
  drawing of him under a bridge. Yeah, one is that he was, I
• 1:22:33
  guess. A like a twisted.
• 1:22:42
  This is when reading a twisted reincarnation reincarnated form
• 1:22:46
  of a farmer who sacrificed goats in exchange for a satanic Powers
• 1:22:51
  the it's just a demon stuff okay that's that's one version.
• 1:22:56
  Another version amandine get in here I got another Another
• 1:23:04
  version is that he is a skinwalker.
• 1:23:09
  It does look very similar. But the main one is that the one
• 1:23:16
  I really looked it up. If this was like the main story
• 1:23:19
  is that he was a half goat half human hybrid.
• 1:23:26
  That was a circus freak. And who escaped because he's
• 1:23:33
  being mistreated and he went to live underneath this this trip
• 1:23:39
  this over an overpass just train overpass and that is the one I'm
• 1:23:45
  going to reach you. It's a it's a, you know, it's a
• 1:23:48
  it's a tail urban legend tail. So, I'm going to read it that
• 1:23:55
  and God is long. Well, I mean you are the one in
• 1:24:01
  control. I recommend of the pie.
• 1:24:03
  I know and I want to read it. You want to shorten it?
• 1:24:07
  Go ahead and shorten it. We'll see.
• 1:24:09
  We'll see if I don't think I will just because okay.
• 1:24:14
  So one thunderously stormy night.
• 1:24:17
  Well I stopped in a small town near Beltsville Maryland.
• 1:24:21
  The circus bearded lady Madame Bristol's discovered in
• 1:24:26
  abandoned infant left and a hate-filled crate outside her
• 1:24:30
  tent. The child was severe severely.
• 1:24:33
  Malformed with stubs protruding from its forehead and the shape
• 1:24:37
  and legs that ended in what's look more like cloven Hooves
• 1:24:43
  than hoop to Human. She took the poor creature in
• 1:24:47
  and gave it food and shelter. One, look at the twists,
• 1:24:50
  Abomination and Colonel. Yeah, I can't pronounce this.
• 1:24:59
  If he'll dick neck. Okay.
• 1:25:06
  That's what his name is. The colonel.
• 1:25:07
  That's his name. He's the colonel and his
• 1:25:10
  Colonel. He knew that he had struck gold.
• 1:25:13
  He had found a story attraction for his freak show.
• 1:25:16
  That would make him Rich. Beyond his Wildest Dreams.
• 1:25:20
  He took a child and raise it in captivity.
• 1:25:23
  Never letting it out of his sight or its cage until I could
• 1:25:26
  be fully exploited for its grotesque appearance.
• 1:25:32
  The Beast grew in size and strength over the years it's
• 1:25:36
  those becoming a full-size horns and his temperament as nasty as
• 1:25:41
  a temperament given to it by the cruel.
• 1:25:44
  Circus carnies charged with keeping it in prison.
• 1:25:49
  It spent most of it's life, change the world of a cage
• 1:25:53
  inside a circus train with brutally daily to keep it
• 1:25:58
  subdued and submissive and fed only gruel and leftover scraps
• 1:26:02
  from the made the midday vendor grease pits one fateful night
• 1:26:07
  during a thunderstorm as violent.
• 1:26:09
  As the one on a night of its birth, the circus train was
• 1:26:14
  passing through Fisher bill on its way to a performance in
• 1:26:19
  Louisville Kentucky, when a bolt of lightning struck the tracks
• 1:26:24
  causing the train to derailed, just ahead of the trestle over
• 1:26:29
  Pope Lick Creek. The Twist that wreck probably
• 1:26:33
  killed most of the Colonel's crew instantly but not all of
• 1:26:38
  them. Okay.
• 1:26:40
  Since body parts were found as far away as two miles from the
• 1:26:44
  crash site What is known for a fact?
• 1:26:48
  Is that the Goatman which is what they called him survived.
• 1:26:53
  The tragic train wreck finally set free from its life of
• 1:26:57
  torture, exploitation and imprisonment and it took event
• 1:27:02
  revenge on the Survivors by ripping them to bloody shreds.
• 1:27:07
  The Colonel's body was never found and it was it is suspected
• 1:27:12
  that a few of his Cutthroat crew of clowns.
• 1:27:16
  Circus freaks in dangerous animals.
• 1:27:18
  May also man survived the deadly accident but were never found.
• 1:27:25
  Obviously, you're gonna say the Clown's killed eyes.
• 1:27:30
  That's honestly where I thought that was gone.
• 1:27:32
  I just love the name is the cut, the Cutthroat crew of clouds.
• 1:27:38
  I love it. Okay.
• 1:27:41
  Um Due to the numerous deaths missing persons deer in
• 1:27:47
  livestock, mutilations and Goatman, sightings that have
• 1:27:51
  been reported in the ensuing years.
• 1:27:54
  There is good reason to believe the Goatman of Pope lick never
• 1:27:58
  left the area. He is believed to have taken a
• 1:28:01
  residence in either and underground cave or ramshackle
• 1:28:05
  Hut somewhere and what it area near the train trestle his
• 1:28:11
  inbred hate of proulx him. City has made him a bloodthirsty
• 1:28:16
  and dangerous piece to be avoided at all costs.
• 1:28:20
  Those who dare to trans, press trip.
• 1:28:22
  God, those who dare to trespass into his demean have met their
• 1:28:28
  fate at his hands. The Courier-Journal records, at
• 1:28:32
  least two confirmed deaths, deaths in 1987, and 1988 and
• 1:28:37
  many injuries and close calls, attributed to the pope lick, A
• 1:28:43
  monster and his protected Trestle.
• 1:28:46
  The Trestle raises, 90 feet 90 feet.
• 1:28:50
  Yeah, 90 feet above Pope lick, creep Creek, and stretches 772
• 1:28:56
  feet across to the other side. Also incapable of human speech.
• 1:29:01
  The Goatman is said to be able to mimic human voices and has
• 1:29:06
  been known to call out the names of those who have climbed to the
• 1:29:10
  top of the Trestle in order to lure.
• 1:29:13
  I'm out onto the tracks. Just as a nun coming.
• 1:29:16
  Train is coming around a Bend to still there.
• 1:29:20
  The seals are doom. Oh, no, I'm sorry.
• 1:29:24
  Getting into it. You've got on weekend nights
• 1:29:32
  during the month of October, and especially during the cycle of
• 1:29:35
  the full moon, the Goatman is said that to be most active in
• 1:29:39
  the woods and Hills surrounding the pope.
• 1:29:41
  Lick trestle. Those who have attempted to
• 1:29:44
  drive Beneath The Trestle. At the stroke of midnight, have
• 1:29:48
  reported being chased by the Beast, who can run at speeds of
• 1:29:53
  nearly 60 miles per hour. And more than one report has,
• 1:29:57
  claimed the loss of their car door handle, or bloody claw
• 1:30:01
  prints left on your car door after a Pursuit.
• 1:30:09
  In the mid-1970s rumors of a saint and a satanic cult, in
• 1:30:14
  demonic rituals began circulating in the same area
• 1:30:18
  along Public Road and reports of missing dogs, cats, and other
• 1:30:23
  domestic animals were suspected of falling prey to satanic blood
• 1:30:26
  site, ceremonies Amy, serious Farm known as The Four Winds
• 1:30:33
  down the street. A few A few miles from the treat
• 1:30:38
  recipe were suspected of being owned by a group of Satan has
• 1:30:44
  Satan. This God, satanists who worship
• 1:30:46
  the public monster as the living embodiment of.
• 1:30:51
  How do you pronounce this Baphomet boffin, but from Bad,
• 1:30:54
  laughs Bethenny? Yeah, oh yeah, the the main guy,
• 1:30:58
  the main because yeah, the go of Mendes himself, a mock, a
• 1:31:03
  marking of the image of a land. I am as the embodiment of Christ
• 1:31:08
  who died for the sins of humanity, blah blah.
• 1:31:12
  The Four Winds Farm was surrounded by a red and black
• 1:31:17
  painted fence, drew the 1980s and into the 1990s with a sign
• 1:31:21
  that the river the sign at the front gate warning trespassers
• 1:31:26
  will be persecuted strange tribal drum beats and chanting
• 1:31:32
  were often heard in the woods behind the Barn Farm. um,
• 1:31:38
  that's, I'm going to read about that for right now.
• 1:31:44
  So basically there's a satanic cult and this Pope lick monster
• 1:31:48
  was a circus freak, who escaped? During a train crash. and now, I
• 1:31:59
  said there was some troops into in this story, right?
• 1:32:03
  A little bit of Truth. So there is a Trestle and
• 1:32:09
  Louisville. Kentucky, it's over the pope.
• 1:32:12
  Lick Creek Park is by their public park, whatever, Public
• 1:32:17
  Road, and all that good stuff. Pope lick, it's just La puplic,
• 1:32:21
  okay? Yes, I also saw a news story,
• 1:32:26
  that's a kid fell off of it. That's where I'm going with
• 1:32:30
  this. So, this, this Trestle,
• 1:32:33
  apparently it's a thing for either tours or I guess not
• 1:32:39
  local kids, but or local people. But like a lot of Tours they go
• 1:32:44
  there. To like, look for this Pope lick
• 1:32:48
  Monster, not thinking that this like because the Taurus Taurus
• 1:32:54
  go. There they asked for, you know,
• 1:32:56
  what spooky around here, what's, you know, what's exciting?
• 1:32:59
  And, you know, doing Pope lick or Louisville Kentucky?
• 1:33:06
  And, you know, you know, if they talked to the wrong people,
• 1:33:09
  they're like, oh, you know, there's this Trestle, you know,
• 1:33:13
  that Russell is, right. All right.
• 1:33:15
  Well, if we go up this Trestle right over here, you can might,
• 1:33:19
  you might be able to meet a goat man.
• 1:33:22
  And if you got to see here in the top of the Trestle though,
• 1:33:27
  so you see, on top of the Trestle goat man will appear at
• 1:33:30
  the strike of midnight, all right?
• 1:33:32
  Is this still? This isn't still a working
• 1:33:34
  traffic. It is a working Trestle.
• 1:33:38
  Okay. See, that's my thing.
• 1:33:40
  Because Trestle is very thin bridge that only fits a train.
• 1:33:45
  It only nothing else. No nothing else.
• 1:33:48
  There's no walkway. Nothing.
• 1:33:50
  It only thing that goes on. Just made for train passing,
• 1:33:53
  absolutely one. Yep.
• 1:33:56
  And so like these tours, they go here and they're like, okay well
• 1:34:03
  I don't see it and you know they're you know these these
• 1:34:06
  people are like oh don't worry. It ain't working at trade on, go
• 1:34:09
  by and all more but train goes by a lot more than you think.
• 1:34:17
  And some people have died because of this.
• 1:34:22
  Some people have. I don't think they've getting
• 1:34:25
  they got hit by the train but, you know, they've they've had to
• 1:34:27
  hang from the Trestle. As they see this train coming as
• 1:34:31
  a walking on it, somebody had to drop down to hang on it and some
• 1:34:36
  people can't hang that long, and it's 90 feet above the ground.
• 1:34:43
  It's also like a lot of them are above water.
• 1:34:46
  Yeah, to cover like a body like a river or something and they'd
• 1:34:50
  probably be more likely to survive.
• 1:34:53
  But I'm looking at this one in particular, some overrode, it's
• 1:34:56
  just just land just concrete. Yep.
• 1:34:58
  Beneath you, it's right above a road and people like there, I
• 1:35:04
  was just reading one that some guy in his fiance, I guess, you
• 1:35:11
  know, they were doing is and he Had to hang, but she couldn't
• 1:35:14
  make it in time. So she and she fell and she died
• 1:35:18
  and he said this is like the worst.
• 1:35:20
  That was like the worst day of my life is like, the worst thing
• 1:35:23
  that happened to me when I saw was from 2019, a
• 1:35:27
  fifteen-year-old dies, and it was sad because it was like yet
• 1:35:31
  again, another accident on the pope.
• 1:35:34
  Lick, trestle. And I'm like, dang this is
• 1:35:38
  common apparently, two little girls were on the track and they
• 1:35:46
  did not hang they got hit. Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  One died in the other was in the hospital for a while.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah. Oh, it says, in 2016, Ohio
• 1:35:59
  tourists will quell beIN died in search for the public monster,
• 1:36:05
  but Russell is 742. Feet long.
• 1:36:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:09
  And it is 90 foot drop at the center and 20 or 30 near the end
• 1:36:14
  of the row. Cobain was also hit and fell,
• 1:36:19
  she died on the scene. It's that's the lady.
• 1:36:23
  Yeah that's her. The her boyfriend was the one
• 1:36:25
  who said. Yep.
• 1:36:26
  Yeah yep. Her name was Rick well.
• 1:36:27
  Okay. Yeah, there are no sightings
• 1:36:35
  whether actual reported, sightings parently a retired
• 1:36:40
  train engineer said that while he was, I guess.
• 1:36:45
  The he routinely went down that path.
• 1:36:48
  There were 43 collisions while he worked there over 34 years.
• 1:36:54
  So at least once a year, somebody died on that Trestle
• 1:36:56
  while he was working there. It claims that I think I found
• 1:37:01
  the number. The total number.
• 1:37:04
  Yeah. He was just saying his time.
• 1:37:07
  Yeah. It's just 34.
• 1:37:09
  It was probably more because they're still doing it.
• 1:37:12
  Yeah. It's not a thing that's probably
• 1:37:15
  going to stop anytime soon. Unfortunately.
• 1:37:20
  Now I remember, yeah, here's the thing.
• 1:37:22
  I'm not super interested in meeting a goat man, in general.
• 1:37:26
  No, no. Because we see, like, depictions
• 1:37:30
  of see him like the devil. So, I mean, like, well, like I
• 1:37:36
  said, yeah, like you said, these are all very close to devil.
• 1:37:41
  People goats aren't exactly all that nice to begin with.
• 1:37:45
  It's true. Like you're worried about goats
• 1:37:49
  and goats are trash. Listen they're aggressive.
• 1:37:54
  They eat your clothes. Shit goes for trash.
• 1:37:58
  So I'm just saying like he's probably got a bad disposition
• 1:38:01
  if he's part goat. Oh, you know what I think.
• 1:38:07
  I remember what you're talking about when we first brought this
• 1:38:10
  up and it's that there was a movie about it.
• 1:38:14
  It's called The let the legend of the Pope lick monsters only
• 1:38:17
  16 minutes though. And it came out in 1988
• 1:38:23
  interested. I'm not sure if there are any
• 1:38:26
  other movies about know it. Yep.
• 1:38:29
  No, it doesn't sound super. I honestly, it's kind of sort of
• 1:38:33
  reminds me of the video game, The Quarry like they're sort of
• 1:38:39
  story situation that happens with Freak Show.
• 1:38:46
  Yes, okay yes yes. Yeah only it's a different kind
• 1:38:50
  of monster but I was like oh that's similar I wonder if
• 1:38:53
  that's where they got the idea from interesting maybe and like
• 1:38:58
  I would rather meet his Sheepsquatch.
• 1:39:00
  Then we the pope lick monster just saying, so question
• 1:39:06
  Sheepsquatch is it just a Giant's?
• 1:39:09
  She okay. So the Sheepsquatch is kind of
• 1:39:12
  like So you haven't played Fallout 76.
• 1:39:15
  Oh yeah, but see it's I haven't seen one in the game.
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  It's a very furry large type of They called us youth squads,
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  because it's big for one. It's big like this.
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  A nice at all know. They're big.
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  They have it's got a skull face. It's Terrance.
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  So I think Sheepsquatch them like cute, no coffee.
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  They're just very hairy and they have they have sheep or Ram's
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  horns as you know, overheads and.
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  Yeah, I don't want to meet these guys in the game.
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  They're not fun to fight. I'll tell you that for Right
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  now. Don't fight them alone.
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  I remember hearing you be mad. Okay um so here's one more
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  thing. So you remember that that
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  Cryptid love coloring book. I have ha ha.
• 1:40:08
  So there's a thing in here for the pope lick monster.
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  Uh-huh! Do you want me to read his
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  dating profile for you? Sure.
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  Let's see. Who he wants to be.
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  Okay, so the tagline says, looking for someone on track.
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  I love it. It's name is Slick.
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  The pope liquor. Turn-ons 50.
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  Filthy fishnet stockings turnoff is Mondays.
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  Yes, okay. Favorite movie is the two popes.
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  Okay. And I guess their profile
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  paragraph. They have.
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  Can you feel that vibration a connection?
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  I promise you. This is not the hypnotic
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  suggestion. Just take a little stroll.
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  Over by those train tracks. You'll be fine promise.
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  What do you say cat? Got your tongue coat.
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  Goat, has you by the throat? This sheep has come to put you
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  to sleep. Ha ha ha.
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  I'm just messing with you. So, what are you doing?
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  Friday night. Oh my God.
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  He loved the think so much and then yeah, it has a picture of
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  it. Of course because it's a
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  coloring book. But like, yeah, the picture is
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  basically, it's not even like a goat person.
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  It's deep, it's like a demon, it just looks like a demon, like a
• 1:41:52
  demon on a stripper pole. If that's that's that's the only
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  way I can explain this how it looks.
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  Um whoo that was fun during well we had a nice, a nice podcast
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  today. Yes, if you're still here with
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  us, thank you so much for listening.
• 1:42:20
  See guys like you.