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Teen Ariana Ptarcinski Stabbed Dead in Neck, BF Walks Free, Sheriff Scolds Victims' Parents · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an honor student, A beautiful
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  Speaker 1: teen girl, Arianna Trasinski, stabbed dead in her neck. The
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  Speaker 1: only other person in the room, her boyfriend, walks free.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to play this bodycam for you. The
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  Speaker 1: sheriff comes in and says you're free. He goes, what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying the same thing? What And to make it worse,
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff goes on to actually scold the victim, Ariana's parents,
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  Speaker 1: calling her mother hysterical, demanding that her, the teen girl
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  Speaker 1: stab dead parents put themselves in the boyfriend parents shoes.
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  Speaker 1: How would you feel if this were your son accused
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  Speaker 1: of murder? I don't know, but I know how I
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  Speaker 1: feel tonight. I mean's he Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to update what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Who am I hearing? State?
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  Speaker 1: I eft up, I eft up because I'm hearing the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one operator. I'm hearing mister Tarsinski. Eddie add
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  Speaker 1: to us saying O MG, I don't know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And then I hear a voice stating I eft up
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  Speaker 1: straight out to to special guests, joining us Ariana Tarsenski's
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  Speaker 1: parents now keeping in mind Oriana honor grad all A's
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  Speaker 1: her whole life in front of her. She's alone in
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  Speaker 1: the room with her boyfriend, and I'm pretty sure that's
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  Speaker 1: him screaming. I eft up straight out to mister and
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  Speaker 1: Missus Tarsenski, Ariana's parents, Judy and Ed Tarsinski, first to you,
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  Speaker 1: Missus Tarsenski. I thought I knew all about grieving when
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  Speaker 1: my fiance was murdered before a wedding. Then I had
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  Speaker 1: my children. I cannot imagine the hell you have been
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  Speaker 1: through since this happened. And to make matters worse, you
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  Speaker 1: two get scolded by the sheriff. I'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to the night of Oriana's death,
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  Speaker 1: Missus Tarsensky.
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  Speaker 3: What happened.
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  Speaker 4: We had just gotten back from a family dinner and
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  Speaker 4: we started opening up gifts. We all exchanged gifts. Ramon
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  Speaker 4: had gifts for us, we had gifts for him, and
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  Speaker 4: everything was going perfect, just a regular night opening up.
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  Speaker 1: Are you referring to Ramone Calderon Durst, Yes, yes, And
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  Speaker 1: is that who I hear screaming on the nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call? I left up. Yes, okay, yes, please go ahead, ma'am.
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  Speaker 4: So my husband went into the garage to work on something.
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  Speaker 4: My little daughter went into her room watch TV. I
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  Speaker 4: ended up going to bed and after that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was sleeping. So this is when Eddie comes in.
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  Speaker 4: He's in the bathroom changing and he'll.
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  Speaker 5: And I just I just hear ramone, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie,
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  Speaker 5: I screwed up.
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  Speaker 6: I screwed up.
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  Speaker 5: And he has uh Ariana by the throat, like holding
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  Speaker 5: her neck, in her back of her hair, and she's
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  Speaker 5: just her eyes I can like it's it's like that
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  Speaker 5: helped me and you can't help.
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  Speaker 6: It's the worst, this blood coming out.
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  Speaker 1: She was still alive at this time, was alive.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, she heard.
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  Speaker 5: She walked to the room within grabbing her neck and
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  Speaker 5: I like her eyes like Dad helped me, but you
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  Speaker 5: couldn't talk. Should blood everywhere, and then I grabbed There
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  Speaker 5: was less hug I got from her because that's where
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  Speaker 5: she passed out from the loss of blood in my arms.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let me understand because this is it's different
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  Speaker 1: than I visualized that. When I've listened to all the audio,
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  Speaker 1: I've listened to the body cam, I've listened to you
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  Speaker 1: being mistreated, missus Tarzanski, because you're quote hysterical. So he
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend walks in and I'm referring to Ramone called
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  Speaker 1: her on Durst now twenty five. They come into the
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  Speaker 1: room and he's what behind her.
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  Speaker 5: He's like behind her, grabbing like the back of her neck,
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  Speaker 5: in the back of her hair like this, saying I
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  Speaker 5: fed up, I fed up, and Arianna just couldn't talk
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  Speaker 5: but her eyes it's just.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was. It was horrible.
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  Speaker 5: So what I did is I got Judy to just
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  Speaker 5: try to stop the bleeding because she she passed out
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  Speaker 5: in my arms from the from the loss of blood
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  Speaker 5: until I put her on the floor.
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  Speaker 4: Got Judy, I was putting pressure.
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  Speaker 5: Pressure, and I wanted to get him away from everyone.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know what he was capable of, to be
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  Speaker 5: honest with you, so I told him, don't open the door,
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  Speaker 5: locked the door, don't open the door. Got him outside
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  Speaker 5: and that's when we started going at it, and then
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  Speaker 5: my neighbor.
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  Speaker 6: That's when my neighbor got involved. We heard the screams.
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  Speaker 7: It all started as my wife and I were putting
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  Speaker 7: presents under the tree. We get to screams. It took
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  Speaker 7: us a second to realize what was going on, but
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  Speaker 7: then we heard him louder and they were chilling. I
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  Speaker 7: went out the back door trying to figure out where
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  Speaker 7: the noise was coming from, and after a few moments
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  Speaker 7: I heard the direction the screams and started running that way.
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  Speaker 7: Then I heard the door open and I heard Eddie
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  Speaker 7: shouting for help. He said, and killed her.
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  Speaker 8: He slit her throat.
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  Speaker 7: So a man come out of the house covered in blood.
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  Speaker 7: Wasn't shocked. I couldn't believe what I had just seen.
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  Speaker 7: It all went so fast, but felt like time had stopped.
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  Speaker 7: Die was yelling, your slid her throat.
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  Speaker 6: She's dead.
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  Speaker 7: The man kept saying, you just need to put pressure
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  Speaker 7: on it. I know it done, but you just need
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  Speaker 7: to put pressure on it. Eddie continued to yell, and
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  Speaker 7: you killed my daughter. The man was getting agitated, and
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  Speaker 7: at this time I realized he looked crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Eddie started to go.
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  Speaker 7: Back in the house to see if he could help.
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  Speaker 7: The man then says, I know, I what does it matter.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to jail for life anyway, and then he
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  Speaker 7: proceeds to go after Eddie.
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  Speaker 1: That's the neighbor. Thomas Lebianco on Facebook telling what he saw.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost too much to take in. So the dad,
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  Speaker 1: here's a ruckus. The little sister sees her older sister,
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  Speaker 1: Arianna being dragged down the hallway and her neck is
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  Speaker 1: sliced open. How can this be? Straight out to renowned
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner doctor Kendall Crowns. He is the chief medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner Terrance County. That's fort Worth, High Volume in the Morgue.
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  Speaker 1: He is a star of a hit podcast, Mayhem in
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  Speaker 1: the Morgue, and he is the esteemed lecturer at Burnett's
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  Speaker 1: School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. Could you describe the injuries this
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  Speaker 1: teen girl on her grad suffered.
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  Speaker 9: So she had a single stab wound to the neck
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  Speaker 9: that was about a half inch or so and that
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  Speaker 9: was on the left side. Then she had two stab
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  Speaker 9: wounds to the back of the head that were a
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  Speaker 9: similar size, roughly about a half inch to the back
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  Speaker 9: of the right side of her head. This stab wound
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  Speaker 9: on the left side of the neck. Based on what
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  Speaker 9: the family is saying, that she had blood coming out
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  Speaker 9: of her mouth. It's more likely than not it enters
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  Speaker 9: in going through the jugular vein croted and then hitting
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  Speaker 9: the trachea or the area where the vocal cords are,
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  Speaker 9: which would make it difficult for her to speak, and
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  Speaker 9: would also explain why she had blood coming out of
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  Speaker 9: her mouth because the stab wounds pathway would have made
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  Speaker 9: a track that communicated between her blood vessels and her
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  Speaker 9: trachea or her windpipe than causing blood to.
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  Speaker 3: Come out of her mouth.
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  Speaker 9: That type of injury, if it involved both the jugular
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  Speaker 9: and crotted, she would bleed out in less than five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns, I have no reason to doubt
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  Speaker 1: anything that you just said. But we're just mere mortals.
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  Speaker 1: So if you could slow it down, dummy down for me,
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  Speaker 1: and if you don't mind start over, because I can't
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  Speaker 1: go forward unless I understand exactly the nature of the wounds.
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  Speaker 1: What did jump out at me as probative other than
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  Speaker 1: the wounds to her neck were the wounds above the
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  Speaker 1: top of her left shoulder and cuts to the right
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  Speaker 1: side of the back of her head, which sounds physically
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  Speaker 1: impossible for her to have committed herself. Now, very slowly,
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  Speaker 1: could you explain again the nature of ariana teen girl?
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  Speaker 1: Arianna's wounds and with the backdrop that the boyfriend keeps
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  Speaker 1: blurting out, ee up, go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Let's start with the wounds in the back of the head.
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  Speaker 9: If you're stabbing someone in the back of the head,
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  Speaker 9: you're going to hit skull. So you have to put
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  Speaker 9: a lot of force into the knife to actually break
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  Speaker 9: the skull, especially in the back of the head. Usually
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  Speaker 9: the knife will break, so you don't typically have stab
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  Speaker 9: wounds penetrating into the skull when they are at the
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  Speaker 9: back of the head. Then the wound on the neck,
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  Speaker 9: it's going to involve the jugular vein, the karati and
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  Speaker 9: the larynx or trachia or the windpipe, and the jugular
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  Speaker 9: vein and the crot It sit pretty much next to
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  Speaker 9: each other. And these are the junglar veins taking blood
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  Speaker 9: right here on your neck.
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  Speaker 1: That's the jugular where's the.
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  Speaker 9: Right next to it. So this big muscle right here
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  Speaker 9: is the sternal clidiomastoid muscle. Right underneath it is your
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  Speaker 9: jugular vein and karate it if you if if you
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  Speaker 9: push hard enough and you start feeling a pulse, you're
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  Speaker 9: feeling you're crotted. So it's really close to the skin surface.
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  Speaker 9: That gets hit, it's the major vessel taking blood to
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  Speaker 9: your brain, and the juggular is the major vessel taking
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  Speaker 9: blood away from your vein. So these are two very
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  Speaker 9: important structures and they bleed quite heavily once they're hit,
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  Speaker 9: and you are going to die relatively quickly unless you
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  Speaker 9: can put pressure on it and hold that pressure in
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  Speaker 9: place and get immediate medical aid. But it sounds to me,
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  Speaker 9: based on the blood coming out of the mouth, that
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  Speaker 9: the wound tract actually kept going and then punctured her
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  Speaker 9: trachea or her windpipe, and then she was getting blood into.
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  Speaker 6: That as well.
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  Speaker 9: So there would be no way to stop it at
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  Speaker 9: that point because she's hemorrhaging internally along with it.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Doctor Kennel Crowns, you said
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  Speaker 1: the wound track extended toward the trachia, which is your windpipe,
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  Speaker 1: as I understand it, the wound track you mean the
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  Speaker 1: stab the wound track he stabbed into reportedly stabbed into
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  Speaker 1: her neck all the way through her track.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 9: That would be based on what's being said the information
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  Speaker 9: we have, that's what it sounds like.
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  Speaker 8: That is correct.
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  Speaker 1: So he goes in the side of her neck and
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  Speaker 1: goes all the way through trachia, so she's bleeding into
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  Speaker 1: her windpipe and that's why she can't tell Dad ed anything.
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  Speaker 1: She's trying to speak, he says. He looks at her
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  Speaker 1: eyes and he feels she's trying to communicate, help me, Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: but she can't speak because her track, her trachea has
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  Speaker 1: been harmed.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, the vocal cords sit right here in the
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  Speaker 9: middle of your neck. They're kind of covered by the thyroid,
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  Speaker 9: carlagery or Adam's apple, and so any wounds that hit
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  Speaker 9: that are going to compromise your ability to speak very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Tarsenski was Ariyana left or right handed?
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  Speaker 4: She was right handed?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns. What significance does that have if any?
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  Speaker 9: So, typically when we are discussing suicides where someone stabs themselves,
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  Speaker 9: handedness matters because you have to be able to stab
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  Speaker 9: yourself on the area of your body that you can
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  Speaker 9: reach more accessibly with your hand. Right sided, you're going
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  Speaker 9: to stab more to the left side of your body.
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  Speaker 9: Left side you'll do more because it's awkward. But when
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  Speaker 9: you're talking about left side and neck, it's difficult to
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  Speaker 9: move the knife into place to get the left side
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  Speaker 9: of your neck. Now, if you were left handed, it
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  Speaker 9: would make sense you just stab into the left side
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  Speaker 9: of your neck. Right handed, it's more difficult to go
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  Speaker 9: left neck and plus back ahead with the right hand
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  Speaker 9: makes no sense as well. So it's like you have
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  Speaker 9: this awkward stab and here stablings to the back of
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  Speaker 9: the head. It makes sense why they called it a homicide,
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  Speaker 9: because there's no real reason to say otherwise that she
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  Speaker 9: stabbed herself in the back of the head and then
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  Speaker 9: the neck.
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  Speaker 7: I could see in his face and he was guilty
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  Speaker 7: and was about to cause more harm. I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 7: I wasn't gonna let anyone else get hurt or lose
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  Speaker 7: their life.
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  Speaker 8: Hit the man.
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  Speaker 6: I was amazed.
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  Speaker 8: He did not fall.
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  Speaker 7: He stumbled, though, and I got in front of the
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  Speaker 7: hit him a couple more times. It was adrenaline or drugs,
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  Speaker 7: but this guy was out of his mind. I hit
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  Speaker 7: him harder than I've hid anything in my life, and
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  Speaker 7: he didn't fall, but he finally went to the ground.
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  Speaker 7: And at that moment, my eighteen year old son pulled
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  Speaker 7: me back towards the house and nine one one operators
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  Speaker 7: told my wife if everyone is in the house to
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  Speaker 7: lock the door and stay inside. The police will be
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  Speaker 7: coming through the gate any minute. Well they did come
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  Speaker 7: through that gate, but instead of treating the family like
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  Speaker 7: victims of a crime, they were treated like criminals, thrown
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  Speaker 7: to the ground with guns drawn and tossed in the
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  Speaker 7: back of patrol cars, taken from their dying daughter.
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  Speaker 1: That is the neighbor Thomas Leveanco on Facebook telling what
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  Speaker 1: happened that night. Mister and missus Tarsenski. So nine one
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  Speaker 1: one they get there, the officers get there, and instead
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  Speaker 1: of rendering a to your daughter, they throw you guys
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  Speaker 1: on the ground and pull their guns on you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they pulled me off of my daughter when I
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  Speaker 4: was applying pressure to her wounds, and they threw him
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  Speaker 4: to the ground.
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  Speaker 5: With They told me they they like ten ten officers
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  Speaker 5: came into the house and I'm crying, hysterical, Please help
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  Speaker 5: my daughter, Please help my daughter. So the guy with
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  Speaker 5: the AR fifteen says, get on the ground, and then
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, help my I'm not gonna tell you again.
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  Speaker 6: So I get on the ground. I got four officers
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  Speaker 6: on me.
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  Speaker 5: One officer with the AR fifteenes got it at my
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  Speaker 5: head with his knee on my head like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I called you guys.
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  Speaker 6: I called you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Stop resisting, stop resisting, would do all that, and then
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  Speaker 5: they rolled me in the car in handcuffs.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, why am I in handcuffs?
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  Speaker 5: Nobody gives you answers, Nobody talks to you, nobody even
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  Speaker 5: knows you. You bang on the window, what's going on with
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  Speaker 5: your daughter? My wife's another car, my daughter somewhere else?
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  Speaker 5: Everyone spread out.
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  Speaker 4: They actually I tried to run back in after they
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  Speaker 4: pulled me off of her yes, and a police officer
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  Speaker 4: grabbed me and threw me to the ground.
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  Speaker 5: He literally picked her up. We have the pictures. She
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  Speaker 5: has a bruise on her shoulder and a bruise on
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  Speaker 5: her hair. He literally picked her up and slammed her
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  Speaker 5: on the ground because she was trying to go into
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  Speaker 5: help her daughter.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was left in a police car for
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  Speaker 4: six hours, begging them to let me use the bathroom,
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  Speaker 4: and they wouldn't let me. I had to relieve myself
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  Speaker 4: in the back of the patrol car like an animal.
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  Speaker 4: Like an animal. That's how we were treated like animals.
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  Speaker 1: Joining US veteran criminal defense attorney, founder of Morse legal,
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  Speaker 1: author of the untested on Amazon. You can find them
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  Speaker 1: at Morse legal dot com. Greg, I know where you're going.
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  Speaker 1: Won a lot of cases as a defense attorney. But
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  Speaker 1: the treatment of the parents here, which is a whole
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  Speaker 1: another can of worms, a whole another beer I gotta tackle.
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  Speaker 1: But can we just address that? Leaving the mother of
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  Speaker 1: the girl bleeding out in the back of the patrol car,
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  Speaker 1: the woman I get the man. Hey, at first, they
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  Speaker 1: don't know who the aggressor is, so all the men
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  Speaker 1: are front of the ground. I got it. But they
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  Speaker 1: get the mom in the back of the cruiser and
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  Speaker 1: leave her there six hours till she finally urinates in
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  Speaker 1: the back of the cruiser.
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  Speaker 10: Really yeah, I mean, you know it sounds it's terrible,
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  Speaker 10: especially looking in hindsight. But when police show up on
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  Speaker 10: a scene. Sure, if people call, people say hey, we're
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  Speaker 10: the callers, we're you know, here for the victim.
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  Speaker 3: We're not. We didn't do anything wrong.
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  Speaker 10: Police don't actually know that, so they have to get
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  Speaker 10: control of the scene. They have to separate everybody, calm
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  Speaker 10: it down, and start doing their investigation. While it seems
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  Speaker 10: a bit over the top to take the mom from
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  Speaker 10: her daughter, who was bleeding without having paramedics on scene
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  Speaker 10: to take over or an officer to give life saving
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  Speaker 10: treatment to her daughter. But it's not unusual to separate
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  Speaker 10: people and arrest them, or not arrest them, but just
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  Speaker 10: keep them in a patrol car, keep them away from
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  Speaker 10: the scene until they figure out what's going on. It
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  Speaker 10: seems a little aggressive here in this situation with mom
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  Speaker 10: and locking her in a patrol car where she has
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  Speaker 10: to use the bathroom, but it's not unusual for them
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  Speaker 10: to calm everything down or at least separate everybody and
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  Speaker 10: then start investigating and find out what happened because they
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  Speaker 10: don't know what happened when they show up.
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  Speaker 11: You hear me, I know you do.
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  Speaker 1: Please please.
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  Speaker 12: Do this.
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  Speaker 11: My baby? Please please, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean my baby. What's going over my old daughter?
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  Speaker 1: Please?
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  Speaker 4: Please tell me?
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  Speaker 7: Please?
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  Speaker 4: Can you tell me? Please?
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  Speaker 12: I don't know what's going on with them.
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  Speaker 6: What you said, you had a question?
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  Speaker 8: What do you need?
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  Speaker 4: What's going on? When they hold her the word I told.
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  Speaker 5: You she's at the hospital, she had a blood transfusion
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: and she was safe.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And that was almost I need to be with her.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Please, Why am I in here? I told you multiple times,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to keep going over this with you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: As soon as I've done asking questions, you're going to be.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Like, okay, they're not asking questions though, Okay, nobody's asked
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: me anything.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Keep coming here and asking you questions.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: When when one guy came to me, please don't please,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: do not shut the door me, then you need to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: calm down. One person.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: It's my daughter, Please understand me.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It was missus Tarzanski. That is so painful to hear
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you begging to get to your daughter, who is dying.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know why they had me in there for
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: so long. I can't explain it. I just don't know
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: why I was locked in there, why they wouldn't let
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: me be with her, Why I couldn't go to the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: hospital with her. He was in handcuffs in another patrol car.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: My twelve year old daughter was in another patrol car.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I get the separation thing. I do, because when you
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: come to a scene, you don't know what's going on.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I get that, But these guys are detectives. They're part
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: of the leap. When they you kind of get a
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: gist of what's going on. And why do I have
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: to go to the police station and make a report
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: when I didn't want to. It's want to be with
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: my daughter. No, you have to go. Why do I
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: have to go? We can't do this later? Why can't
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: it be with my daughter? And even when I was
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: let loose, they like they gave him a ride back
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: to my house Ramon, but me, I had to find
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: a ride from the police station.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It was just they took all of my husband's clothes.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and to do for to do the forensics on me,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: and they'll you know, I'm sitting there naked, had to
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: wait for somebody to bring clothes to me. Meanwhile, they
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: get him a jumpsuit and he's taken care of. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: it was it's just you can't.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: Even make this up. It's it's it's absolutely it's the
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: craziest thing ever.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: And then they tell us don't speak about this at all,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: don't put anything on Facebook, don't go on social media.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: This needs to be kept hush hush, or else you
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: guys are going to ruin the case.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: You can ruin the case, and you don't want that exactly,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: And that's that was that was what we were told.
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: So here we are not saying word because we're thinking
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: that they're.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Working on it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: We're doing the right thing. But it was totally the opposite.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: They weren't doing anything because they already they still felt
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: that Arihanna did it to herself because they were telling
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: people when they called it given the newspeople, they say
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: it was a suicide and it was nothing like that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: While Arianna's parents are being treated like criminals, like animals,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the mother begging to get to her daughter who is dying,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: all the while the boyfriend is whining about how he's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: gonna get sex molested behind bars.
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: Listen, I'm going to get raped in prison. I know
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: they do that, all right?
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: Good violent?
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: Can't reserve that?
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: Can imagine good fucking of that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: Families not only suppost to go on. Officer d'hotell, Yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: about football, I could hear you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: How do you think one goes on? Huh? How do
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: you think one goes on in a situation like this?
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: I don't know the situation.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: That's why it's kind of hard.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: For me to give you give you an answer.
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: Hm, I love, I don't wanna get rape.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: What do you think about that? About what the violence
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: and rape in prison? I don't I have no idea
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: about it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: You don't, No, you don't deal with that system.
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: Yes, but there's been countless documentaries and interviews and articles
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: about it. It's a prevalent thing in the media and
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: the public eye.
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: Well do you have what?
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Does that?
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: Talked about a lot? So you acknowledge it?
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Mean it's there?
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: Do you hold contempt for prisoners and criminals? Malice?
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: Hatred? Despite do you hate criminals?
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: Do you hate any money?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: No?
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: Sins or recorded. It's embarrassed him, can't believe.
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: Any of it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: Look at me, deserves everything.
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: Hatred of the world and visual trug brought down upon that, surege.
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: Or No one will have mercy for me. No one
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: teacher could play. But I don't blame them. Prob wouldn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: the mercy for me either?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he just take out a billboard on Third Avenue?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I did it. The medical examiner says it's homicide. It's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: not suicide. It's not accident, it's not natural causes. It's homicide.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: He's practically begging for the death penalty to you, Greg Morse,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I deserve it. I can't imagine the family. I can't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: imagine her family so brutal, so violent. I deserve it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I deserve to be raped behind bars for what I did.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for what I did. I deserve everything.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's a confession. Why is he not being prosecuted? Morse?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Uh one, I can't answer that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 10: I think you're right that there was probable cause if
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: police wanted to do that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: Home on.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Is Greg Morse actually stuttering? But I've never heard you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: stutter before, not once. In all the years I've known you,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and all the years we've argued, in all the court
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: cases you have ever handled and won, I've never once
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: heard heard you stutter except right then?
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: What well it is? It's it's when you see the statements.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: You know, the standard for probable cause to arrest someone
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: is next to nothing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't take a lot. However, what I would say is.
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: This, when you look at the statements that were made,
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: these aren't necessarily confessions to I intentionally killed this young girl.
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: This could be a murder, suicide packed, this could be
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: a host of different things that he's upset about. That
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: isn't intentionally trying to kill this young girl. So you're adding,
• 26:48
  Speaker 10: so you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Think she stabbed herself in the back of the head.
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: What I think is that based on the way the
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: because the prosecution made the decision not to arrest her
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: charge not only the police, the police kicked this over
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: to the prosecution to make that decision. And in the
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: letter they say that this was a negligent act that
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: caused this. So based on everything I saw.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: In this that's a good point. That's a good point.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And let's go to the expert, not the sheriff, not
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a clerk in the district attorney's office, but to a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: medical examiner, the chief medical examiner, the esteemed lecturer at
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Let's ask him. Okay,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: how could multiple stab wounds be an accident? Because the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: medical examiner at the time said this is a homicide.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But you hear these things coming out of Morse's mouth
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that do not reconcile with what the medical examiner said,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: So multiple stab wounds being an accident, I mean, I've
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: only heard of a handful of cases, and what is
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: a person holding a knife and someone accidentally gets stabbed
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: or runs into the knife. But in those cases it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: all singular for there to be two stab wounds in
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: the back of the head and a stab wound of
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: the neck. To me, if it's not a suicide, it's
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: got to be a homicide. And based on what we've
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: talked about already, it sure looks like a homicide to me. Again,
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: accidental stab wounds, you just don't see it very often.
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: When you do, it's like one wound shallow, it's not
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: multiple wounds, and then one being very deep.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You said if there's an accidental stabbing, accidental, it's shallow.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: But didn't you just tell me that the wound track
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: as you called it, went through her neck, juggular carrot,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: it through her trachia. That is not shallow. That is intention,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that takes force, velocity. That is not an accident. She'd
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: fall on a knife into her neck. That's total bs.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a trial lawyer, you're the MD.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: But that is not an accident.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I was agreeing with you, Nancy. I feel it
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: is a very deep wound.
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: It doesn't look shallow to me based on the information
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: we have, So in no way do I think this
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: is an accident at all. Three stab wounds. It's not
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: an accident. It's that deep stab wound to the left
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: side of her neck. Right handedness. It's not a suicide.
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: It's not natural, so it's got to be a homicide.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You know another thing that I promised you when we
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: first started tonight. I want you to see the look
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on this guy's face, Durst, when he's told he's going
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to walk fore, He's like, what watch it?
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: All right?
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: Took the ancus off you? All right, listen, we're gonna get.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: You out here.
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: We looked into the case a little bit further, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: we're not charging you with anything.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: We're not gonna charge you anything right now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: Okay, we're gonna.
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: Look into a little further, make sure some things are
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: really supposed to be.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: So you're gonna get out of here.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: What what so? Greg Morris isn't the only one that stuttered.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I gotta see that again. Can I see that one
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: more time?
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: Please?
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: All right?
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: Took your handcuffs off you, all right, listen, we're gonna
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: get you out here.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: We looked into the case a little bit further, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: we're not charging you with anything.
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: We're not gonna charge you any name right now. Okay,
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: We're gonna.
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: Look into a little further, make sure some things are
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: really supposed to be, so we're gonna get out of here.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Do you see his T shirt straight out to Judy
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and Ed Trasinski, Arianna's parents. His T shirt is covered
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in her blood, your daughter's blood. He said, I'm sorry,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I deserve it. I can't believe what I did. They're
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: letting him go, even he can't believe it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: D It's it's unbelievable that that they and they try
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: to like make it seem like he's innocent and give
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: a reason why he's innocent. And I don't understand why,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: because he's he has my daughter's blood all over him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was just dumbfound that he was like
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: And not only that, but then they drive him to
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: our home to get his car keys after that, and
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I had to find a ride from the police station.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: They could even they couldn't. And then it's six thirty
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: in the morning. I get hey, I got good news,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: and what could possibly be good?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: Your notamade through surgery. We thought she was. We didn't
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: even know she was in surgery. It was just it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: just unbelievable. It really is.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Just the way the detectives handled everything. They left evidence behind,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: They left his wallet, they left bloody sheets with his
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: handprints on them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: And when I said this to them, they said, well,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: we have pictures of it, but that's not pictures.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Don't do the DNA, you know what I mean, It
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: just doesn't.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I just feel like it was Christmas Eve. All the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: rookies were working and they watched the case. They messed
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: up a lot.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Nobody rendered to her.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Nobody rendered eight. They actually closed my bedroom door because
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: my dog was sitting in there with her. They closed
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: the door and she led out.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: But it also says in one of the reports that
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: an officer checked to see if she had vitals, which
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: she had a very low post. But then they still
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: closed the door and left it and lead out. No
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: One rendered eight, and they tried to say that they did,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: but when the medics came in, they said there was
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: nobody even near her side at all.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: The medics had to open our bedroom door and grab
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: her by the foot and slide her out.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So you're saying she could have lived. Doctor Sherry Schwartz
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: joining US forensic psychologists specializing and capital mitigation, and she's
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the author of a bestseller, Criminal Behavior and Where Law
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and Psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry, I want you to watch this.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: What does this mean right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: Right now, you're just there not being charge, you know, right,
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: We just we you know, like you think we want
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: to srew you, but that's not the case. We want
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: to make sure we do everything right. So if there's
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: something that you need to be held responsible.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: For, you will be.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: But if there's not, you won't be.
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: So instead of rushing into something and and you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: doing all this stuff, we decided to back up and
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: take our time a little bit and look into a little.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Bit further because there's always things maybe we don't know about.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, what what do they not know about? Okay, doctor
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, I wanted you to take all of this
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: in again. They say, not arresting you, and he goes,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: what why it's so obvious, doctor.
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: And he continues to ask them why right. Instead of
• 34:10
  Speaker 15: just saying, oh, okay, let me get out of here,
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: he continues to ask, well, wait, why what is it
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: that you know I said that makes you think I
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: didn't do it? Because he did a lot of talking
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: in the back of that police car, and what he
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: never said was that she did it to herself, or
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: that they had a murder suicide pact or any of
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: the other nonsensical excuses that have been thrown out there
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: by this agency and by the state Attorney's office in
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: that jurisdiction. This boy never said those things. What he
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: said was I'm going to be raped in prison. I'm
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: going to prison, and I'm embarrassed by what I've done.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: He said all of that and more and starts whining
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: about how he's going to be treated behind bars where
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: he knows apparently he should be. Doctor Sherry, watch this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: I'm gonna give you just something to get back to
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: the house with, and then your car's there and everything,
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: so you know, you can grab your car and do
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: what you need to do.
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: Yeah, all that stuff like my walt, my keys, they
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: can close or then that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Okay, well, we got some things that we're gonna do
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: at the house.
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: But I don't see any reason why you once we
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: do our initial stuff, we can't get you that to
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: to to get out here.
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: I'm gonna have him leave in like fifteen minutes, and
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: the only reason you're leaving fifteen minutes behind me is
• 35:32
  Speaker 16: that I don't want her family and you interact and
• 35:37
  Speaker 16: you know what I mean, Are they there? I don't
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: know that they're there, but I don't. What I would
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: like to do is just get there. When you pull
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: up in his truck, I hand you your your keys
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: and then you can get the hell out of there,
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: you know what I mean.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: And then my wallet and my phone.
• 35:50
  Speaker 16: I get your wallet right now, the phone's in the
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: crank scene. I can only pick up your keys cause
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: I'm getting you out of there, you know what i mean.
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: We still have you to process the scene and pick
• 35:59
  Speaker 16: up stuff, you know what I mean. So I'm willing
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: to give you the car keys at this point.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, mister and missus Tarsnski, what in the hell is happening?
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we don't even know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: It's just we still can't believe it. Like this is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: You see how he had a jumpsuit.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: He's treated like, well, me, I was sitting there in
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: the pre station nude because they wouldn't give me a
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: jumpsuit and I had a final ride, and then treating
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: him like gold.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Even though he just said that he did it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: It still blows my mind that I don't understand still,
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: and they try to brainwash and say, well, the reason
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: why we did is because your daughter's drawings were really morbid,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: like she used to like drawings. She drew a lot
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: of like horror things and a lot of gory things,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: but she was great at doing it, like some drawers
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: of Vason Roses. Well, that's that's that's that's what they
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: were using.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: That's her style of drawing. But they found drawings from
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: years ago and they said, well, she looked like I
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: have done this to herself.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, mister and missus Tarsinski. I don't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: care if she drew Lucifer in the middle of a pentagram.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I don't care. What I care about is what the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: evidence shows me. She should not be treated differently because
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: she's a horror flick buff. I don't care. I don't care.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: She's a girl scout, don't care. And I don't care
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: if he's an angel from heaven. If he's an angel,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I'll put cuffs on his hands and I'll use a
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: rope for the wings. So what I don't get right
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: here is why he is walking free today, refresher to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's what did the medical examiner say at
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: That she had a stab wound on the left side
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: of the neck about a half inch two stab wounds
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: on the back side of the head. And we didn't
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: talk about this earlier, but she had bruising on her
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: forearm as well well, So she had a very deep
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: stab wound of her neck that goes through her jugular
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: crowdit and probably enters unto her trachea. Again, these are
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: not accidental, and it's to me not suicidal. It looks
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: like a homicide. And if we're going to base suicide
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: on some drawings that a high school student made, everybody
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: in forensics probably has drawn something like that in their lifetime.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: So it's meaningless to Judy and Ed Tarsinski. You were
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: actually scolded by the sheriff what happened?
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: So the.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Sheriff of Fernando County al in the heis He actually
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: sent us a letter saying, given us reason double jeopard
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: you have to take this still.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: But then got into what happens if this was your son,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: put the.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Shoe on the other foot, Like, how are you going
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: to tell us put the shoe on the other foot.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: It's it's it's just mind bog and how they they
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: they really don't care, They don't care, they never have
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: and then after that they close your case, you know, And.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: They constantly told us we're going to get him.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: We're gonna get them to get him. Don't you worry.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Promise you he'll be behind bars, but just let her
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: talk to cology. Come come out.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: When the area was first in the hospital, I came
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: outside my followers because I asked him.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: I said, do I need a lawyer? And he's like, no, no, no,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: we know he did this.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: You know your daughter's in a bad place, but you
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: know she's gonna pass as she was. And he goes,
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: we want to get the maximum charge. We want to
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: go for a murder, not attempted, you know what I mean.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: And we're like, okay, fine, And that came and went.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: And then when you ask him, See, they wouldn't give
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: us any information. Every time we asked them from information,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: they said, this is an ongoing investigation. We don't have
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: to give you an information. It doesn't matter if you're
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: the parents, whoever you are, you could be the president
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: of the United States, doesn't matter, you know. And meanwhile
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: we're left in the dark. Will they won't give us
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: any answers.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I know what I am
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: seeing in the body cam, and I've shown you a lot,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: but it actually gets worse and more damning for him. Listen,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: can I just say something? Can we can we have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a little back and forth real quick, let's go back
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: into quid.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: My leg's over right now.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: What do you mean?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: Do you see? What's the situation.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know what the situation is. I've been outside
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: with you. Okay, what do you think the situation is?
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want to assume you do you see what
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: on Twitter?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Did see? He doesn't say, uh, she committed suicide. This
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: was a suicide murder pack nothing like that. He's saying,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: can't you see the situation? I'm covered in her blood?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: But critically, listen, I can't hear you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: Hopefully stay on that wetbed, and it's all over. You
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: slipped in the bed. I slip on the bed. I slip,
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: I slip on the bed. Look, we got a whole
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: rad we got a whole rad.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Quote. I stabbed her neck. I slipped on the bed.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I slipped on the wet bed. It's all over. I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: slipped on the bed. I slipped on the bed. It
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: goes on and on. He did not slip multiple times
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to you, doctor Kendall, crowns. He did not slip, s
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: l I p multiple times and stab her over and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: over and over in the neck.
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: Correct If he slipped on the bed, there would be
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: a single stab wound if he hits the back of
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: her head or hits her neck. But there are three
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: stabbed bounds. He didn't get up, slip again, get up
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: and slip again. That's almost comical to think of if
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: he may have even been trying to defend herself by
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: putting up her arm and that's why she has bruises
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: on her forearm.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: Again.
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: The medical examiner in Florida called it a homicide, and
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: I completely agree with that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Guys, believe it or not. In addition to him saying
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I stabbed her neck caught on camera. For Pete's sake,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: listen to this.
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: I don't know if you're being honest with me or anything,
• 42:34
  Speaker 13: but what is the crime like? Specifically here you keep
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: acting what the crime like?
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: I do?
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: What do you know what federal prisoner would go to
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: excuse me? I have no idea. I have no idea
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: what you've done? Yeah?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I know?
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: Is there one important one federal prison prison.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Sherry Schwartz can it be any
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: more clear. I stabbed her in the net? Do you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: know what federal prison I'm going to? Did you hear
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that I heard? Does he have to do rent a
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: helicopter and sky riding?
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's so clear, very clear to me. The
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: more I listen to him that he has thought about
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: going to prison. He seems to know things about prison
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: that the general public doesn't know. Where he's thinking about
• 43:38
  Speaker 15: violence in prison and asking the officer who himself doesn't
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: know about prison, and he works in the field. So
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: this is a very troubling picture of this young man.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Greg Morse. He is saying, I've stabbed her in the neck?
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: What federal prison do you think I'm going to? Mister Sheriff,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why there are no charges.
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: Well, again, the prosecution had a reason not to. They
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: felt that sounds like this was in some fashion self
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: inflicted or not with a criminal intent.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: And the bigger problem now is this.
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: Ramon was effectively arrested when he was seized and putting handcuffs.
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: The police don't have to say you're arrested for speedy
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: trial purposes alone, So this much time after the incident,
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: it would be hard to charge him anyway, and there
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: may be issues with maintaining it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Chose to now, it's not I've tried cases that were
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: over twenty years old. There's no statute limitations on murder.
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: And with these statual limitations issues, it's not a statutal
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: limitations issue, Nancy.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's a de facto arrest situation.
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: Once you are arrested, putting handcuffs, you're seized. Happened here
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: that starts the clock on speedy trial.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Florida did change the law recently.
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: I believe it was last year, so I haven't dealt
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: with the issue under the new law recently. It's not
• 45:12
  Speaker 10: just statute of limitations, it's also speedy trial issues.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Him not come up. No, no speedy trial starts. At
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the time of indictment. He was never detained behind He
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: wought free that night.
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: That that was not the case in Florida. It wasn't
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: just on indictment. You can have a de facto arrest.
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: My point is that could be an issue and then
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: you have you.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: There was not even an arrest. There was a simple detainment.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: They detained him for questions and let him go.
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: As the defense lawyer, I would argue that he was
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: de facto arrested to start the clock.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: And also it's it's it's bizarre.
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: It seems like the police are maybe trying to cover
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: for mistakes, because there's no reason why you wouldn't read
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: him Miranda, regardless if you arrest him or not. You
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: would have read him Miranda right from the beginning with
• 46:05
  Speaker 10: all of those circumstances. So his statements become an issue anyway,
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: because I don't believe he was ever read Miranda, even
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: if he was arrested and there was enough to inform him.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Of those rights.
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: So the police have a lot of mistakes here, unfortunately
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: for this family, but they made a decision that he
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: was not criminally liable here.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Whatever.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, you know what's crazy? Under the Florida Rule three
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: point one nine one as of twenty twenty six, speedy
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: trial demand trigger event is filing a formal charge, is
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: not some bs de facto arrest that you're dreaming of.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And I noticed you kept saying, and I know what
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: this means. When you go, I would argue, which means
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: this isn't the law. But this is what I would argue. Yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like I said, I said, looking at the code right now,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, it starts change the normal charges.
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: I'm looking laws and statutes. I know they just changed it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: We apply laws and statutes at the time. Uh, the
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: crime occurred. This may be seen as procedural. I just
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: said they changed it. This does not alleviate the due
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: process speedy trial, which is different than the state statute.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, while the parents are here crying about what happened
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to them, you're arguing about a de facto arrest. He
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: was never arrested. He voluntarily spoke, which is significant under
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the law. You know, I get it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: He wasn't free.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Leader and missus Tarsensky, I understand why you're so upset
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: because you hear b s like what Morse is spouting.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: All the time.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: It's all here.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: They use the stuff we don't even know. They just
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: give us bull they really do. They have really no answer.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: That's that's what it is. They have no answer. So
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: they're just going around in circles, just throwing stuff out
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And that's okay, guys. For everyone that has heard the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: voices of the parents, tonight, we are calling on the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: US Attorney in this Florida district, Gregory wu key Hoe,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to intervene. Obviously, the local district attorney's office will not
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: do the right thing. Let your voice be heard. The
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: number for the US Attorney eight one three two seven
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: four six thousand. Repeat eight one three two seven four
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: six thousand. Again, the boyfriend Durst has not been named
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a suspect. He is innocent unless and until he is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: proven guilty in a court of law. Repeat eight one
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: three two seven four six thousand. We remember an American hero,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Officer Caleb Abney Heyhira PD hey Hira, Georgia, just twenty five,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: family remembering their son. American hero Officer Caleb Abney. We
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,