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Ed Dowd: New Data Shows Vax Deaths & Disabilities Accelerating at ALARMING Rate · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Wholehouse. So it's been a while. I'm I'm first off, for the radio silence. We've actually had some really big changes, all very positive happening in life.
• 1:48
  And so I took a couple of weeks off. We actually, we've moved across country. I'm no longer in a home studio, though it looks the same. I'm actually in a proper studio. So I'm actually, I'm renting a studio.
• 2:01
  I'm building out, I'm expanding. There's just some beautiful and amazing things that are going on. If you were following on Telegram, you didn't know maybe the details. We've also got another little baby on the way. So, Kate, I think she's now fourteen or fifteen weeks pregnant.
• 2:18
  So just lots of really, really exciting things. But yeah, I apologize also, if I look a little tired of this interview because we've been working nonstop. I think I left the studio close to three a. Last night, just to make sure that everything was wrapped up and ready for this interview. So getting into the nuts and bolts of the interview, one of my favorite guests today, and that's Edward Dowd, someone that I always enjoy speaking with because he is on the front line of understanding what's happening with the global population, especially as it relates to this massive jump in all cause mortality, the gosh, injuries, disabilities, cancers, all this stuff that really seems to be tied directly to the injection.
• 3:11
  And so we're going to get a really critical update from him with some recent figures he's coming out with. I mean folks, it's getting to the point now where two things I'm seeing happening. One is that you can no longer deny that there is a massive shift in the human population that's happened if you look at the data, and we'll talk about that. But the other is that it's not like a big shift that happened and it's slowing down. Almost everything is pointing to an acceleration.
• 3:37
  And so we're going to talk about that, what that acceleration looks like, and what it's going look like potentially over the next couple of years. So folks, enjoy this interview with Ed Dowd. Edward, it's great to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for letting me be here. I love your show and I love your message and what you do.
• 3:59
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. Absolutely. Those really nice words to be coming from you. I really appreciate that. So there's a lot to talk about, but I always like to tie in just the personal experiences and then kind of build from there.
• 4:16
  And so just where I'm at, my family, I've got a lot of family in Ohio. And a lot of them, they got the vaccine and just within the immediate circle of my family, meaning cousins, uncles, aunts, etc, I've had a very healthy marathon running family member that had just had open heart surgery, multiple blood clots, was forced, not forced, but he had to get the vaccine to keep his job. It was a really good government job. I've had another person with other heart problems. I had another person that was part of the family that is no longer with us anymore that died of a heart attack.
• 4:57
  Kind of suddenly they found him in an alley. We had two people also, their family, that they got first, second boosters and got COVID so bad they were in the ICU to kind of treat their COVID. And this is just the immediate circle of family, let alone the people, the neighbors. I mean, just seems like two years ago when say Sherri Tenpini was out there saying, these are all the reasons why this vaccine is going to cause damage. It's now right in front of us.
• 5:30
  And so I know that you're someone that's not just not only tracking the individual cases, but you're looking at the really big picture and more importantly, the trends in the data are showing us. And so what I'm seeing is in just my observations on the ground is the trends are going like this. And so I want to see what is what is the data that you're seeing? What's it telling you?
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's two things. Right? There's anecdotal evidence that we all have in our own lives that it seems to be increasing right now and has been. And then there's the metadata, the actual numbers.
• 6:11
  And I I'm I'm unfortunately here to tell you that the metadata is confirming what you're seeing, especially this summer. The US Disability numbers, the last two months, May and June, reaccelerated and went up one point three million, and newly disabled identifying as disabled in this country to thirty four point two million. You know, I've talked here on your show before about the fact that we had about thirty million, twenty nine million disabled prior to COVID that had been running around that number for the prior four or five years. In February of twenty one, it took off to a high in September of twenty two of thirty three point two million. The good news was that it kinda went sideways for the next several months, six months.
• 7:02
  The bad news was it wasn't returning back to trend. So that was that was I was watching it. And then, unfortunately, in May, it went to a slight new high above the September high of 22. And then in June, it exploded. We added 857,000 newly disabled people identifying as disabled.
• 7:23
  So that, to me, says the trends are reaccelerating. Whatever has gone on with these vaccines, there now seems to be medium term effects. And why do I say that? Because the booster uptake is is disastrous at this point for the regime. So that's the good news.
• 7:39
  People are most people are avoiding the boosters, except the hardcore COVIDians who are still in fear and not, you know, privy to this information or don't even wanna accept it. So what you're seeing on the ground is actually being, you know, confirmed by the real real time numbers in The US on a disability basis. Personally, the good news for me is in my immediate family, my children were vaccinated, my ex wife, my dad, my brother, you know, my other brother, his family. The good news for me is no one seems to be having any adverse impacts, so I'm I'm very thankful. But in my friends' circles, that's not the case.
• 8:21
  There's been issues. There's been health problems. No no sudden deaths. I have what I call a second degree separation deaths. I didn't know them, but people I know knew them.
• 8:32
  So this is just this is a tragedy. I you know, I'm a 50, two hundred percent convinced it's the vaccine. If it's not, then why are we not talking about these bodies hitting the floor and or, you know, being disabled and or chronically ill, missing work frequently. This is just I've never seen I feel like I'm in a dystopian movie. I was on Dell Big Tree's High Wire.
• 8:56
  He said the same thing. We feel like we're characters in a dystopian movie walking amongst those who don't know what's going on.
• 9:03
  Seth Holehouse: It's like the They Live, the John Carpenter movie where, you know, the main character, he has the glasses he puts on and he sees the truth. I'm not sure if you've seen that, but it's if you haven't absolutely. Oh, okay.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just like it's just like that. I got my glasses on, I'm looking around at these people who are just going about their business, not noticing what's right in front of their face.
• 9:27
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Exactly. And so now I also as I understand, some data has come out recently out of The UK that's also confirming this. This is a just a quick side point is that as much as they're trying to suppress this information, and you won't find the CDC talking about it, or any of the major talking heads, if you go to the places like the insurance companies, the actuaries, the, you know, labor statistics, that's where you see these trends. I know that that's where you've been focusing, and I know that some really kind of key data has come out recently in The UK, so can you walk us through a little bit of that?
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we discovered a database. It's called The UK Personal Independence Payment System. It's their government disability system, and we analyzed it for new claims. And so it took a lot of work, and we finally figured out that the trends there were horrendous.
• 10:24
  So what basically this is, this is a system where claims come in, and they either get cleared, clearances, or they get dismissed. And the ratio has consistently been through even throughout the pandemic, forty percent claims cleared, sixty percent dismissed or not given. And so that ratio stayed the same. There was a delay in processing during the pandemic that peaked out in August of twenty twenty one at twenty six weeks. During 2022, it got down to sixteen weeks, and now we're at fourteen weeks as of January 20, three where the dataset ends.
• 11:03
  We're you know, we wanna the data doesn't come out every month. It comes out in chunks. So when we get the next update, we'll update our report. But what did we find that happened in 2022? Basically, the let let me just I'm gonna look away and go to my screen here.
• 11:18
  And so total total new excess claim this is claims above trend. Excess claims. So in 2020, excess claims were 3% above the the prior four year trend. In 2021, this is for all body systems, everything. In 2021, claims were 20 and a half percent above trend.
• 11:43
  And then in 2022, '70 '6 point '7 percent above trend. Then when you go into certain body systems, other some body systems went off the charts. Hematological, which is has to do with blood, blood disorders, which I didn't even know what that word meant. We're not doctors. That's why we're asking doctors to really help us here, look at this data, went up 522%.
• 12:05
  And on a monthly basis, that was a 25 standard deviation. Just insane. On a yearly basis, because there's fewer data points, it was 61 standard deviation. So it's a disaster. It's it's it's undeniable that something's going on.
• 12:20
  So the question we put I've I've done a couple of shows presenting this data without even mentioning the v the v word because I say, forget what it is. It's going on. It's real. And either it's systemic systematic fraud in The UK pension pension disability system, or it's so bad they don't wanna talk about it. So I put it on the authority.
• 12:42
  You explain what's going on here. I have my theory. What's yours?
• 12:47
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
• 13:07
  This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
• 13:40
  So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
• 13:59
  This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar.
• 14:30
  They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etc. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds. You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food. And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year.
• 14:54
  Again, depends on your budget, but I'll definitely make sure you have some seeds because that seed those seeds could be worth their weight in gold, if not more in the future. So to go ahead and do this right now, go up a new tab and go to heavensharvest.com. And if you use the promo code Seth, that's s e t h, promo code Seth, you'll save 15% off of your entire order. So again, folks, the time is running out and you'd rather be three months or one year early than one day late. Again, heavensharvest.com and use promo code Seth to save 15% today.
• 15:30
  That's a good point too is that, you know, it's not really about what the actual cause is. I mean, obviously, we know it is, but let's just set that aside and just look at this data. This is, from a lot of what I've come to understand, this is far worse than when the whole world's at war with each other. We're seeing more excess mortality and just absolute destruction of the human race. So what this leads me in thinking, as I'm kind of piecing this all together, and I've got a very limited understanding of economics and finance.
• 16:12
  But when I look at this, I start thinking, what are the other dominoes? What are the other as this giant rock thrown into the pond? What are the other ripples from it? And I know that your background is much more financial. And so what does this do to the global economy?
• 16:30
  I mean, with these trends and with this extra pull on the pensions, as we know a lot these pensions are bankrupt as they are, the loss in workforce. What do you see unfolding?
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Well, let me just also I just want to reiterate the point you made. We don't even need to talk about the B word. And this is important because we can bring more and more people into our camp without getting into because it's a very hot subject, but they need to know that it is occurring, and then they can ask their own questions. And I I went to Australia, and I I did a thirty minute presentation put in in front of 2,500 people, and I showed their excess mortality. And it was minus two percent in '20, plus four percent in '21, and sixteen percent in 2022.
• 17:15
  And I said, look. Forget what I'm saying. You have to come to the recognition that whatever the health response was from your government, it is killing more people than it saved. And so you need to start asking questions. Whether you believe me or not, there needs to be a reckoning and a firing of everybody involved in this.
• 17:33
  So that's what I left them with. And that's important framing because people just don't wanna believe, but the numbers are the numbers. So that I want them to start asking questions. That's number one. Number two, what are the what's the dominoes?
• 17:46
  Dominoes? Well, the dominoes are, you know, anecdotally, go if you have a car accident, good luck getting parts for your car. Everything is delayed and has been delayed, especially starting in 2022. I had my my own car that I knew a little fender bender. My radiator was damaged, and that was July 14.
• 18:08
  I took ten days to get the police report because the police told me we have a staff shortage. That's not so the police report to get to my insurance people took ten days. That used to take two. So that there's delay one. Then I, you know, try to get my car towed to a body shop.
• 18:26
  No. The body shops are full because they're they can't even put the cars on their lot to even give you an estimate because they these other cars are waiting for parts. So they I I had to finally do a photo a photographic estimate. They told me it was gonna be $8,000. I submitted that to my insurance company.
• 18:46
  They said, well, your car's worth 6. It's it's $8. We'll give you 10, though, for your car. So they gave me 10. So then I asked, why do you give me 10 for a car worth 6?
• 18:57
  They said, oh, this is going on across the country. We're junking cars because we can sell them for parts. And so they gave me $10 for a $6,000 car. They're not they're not saints. So this is already occurring, so the supply chains are being wrecked.
• 19:15
  You notice this in restaurants that pre COVID used to have certain hours. They're not you know, they have to close early. They they shut down certain days because they don't have enough staff to rotate and and keep open as much as they wanted to. So this is happening. Let's go let's go to the hospitals.
• 19:32
  The hospitals, if you remember, all the staff were mandated before even the job mandates, the the general corporations. Their absence rates are off the hook. There's delays in, you know, getting a radiologist to look at your MRI or CAT scan. That's taking weeks where it used to take days. So the the hospital system's slowly breaking down.
• 19:55
  The Federal Reserve is looking at the employment number. Employment number looks low, but what if it looks low because the labor pool is shrinking due to disabled and people leaving the labor force? That's not just me saying that. Luke Gromen came out in a tweet with the most recent disability data that went to a new high and said, something's going on here, and what if these numbers are being affected? And that would mean the Fed, the Federal Reserve is raising interest rates into an economic slowdown, totally wrong, and they're gonna cause such economic damage that they should be cutting rates right now, but they're not.
• 20:33
  The economy is in a tailspin economically. I know the stock markets are still hovering, but that's due to five stocks. They'll figure this out soon enough. So I'm looking at a kind of a glacial Mad Max scenario unless we have a come to to, for lack of a better word, Jesus moment in the country. We admit what just happened, and then we we pinpoint the problem, which is the vaccine, the spike protein, and then we start addressing that.
• 21:01
  Because until then, everybody who doesn't know is gonna go to the doctor, and they're going to say, You got this, and then they're going to treat the symptom, not the root cause, which is detoxification of the spike protein. So this is where we are. We're in a race against time. We're in a race against glacial Mad Max.
• 21:18
  Seth Holehouse: You know, it's interesting because, you know, I've been flying my whole adult life, and, you know, I would occasionally have a flight canceled. Recently, my mom was doing some traveling. I was helping her book some of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: her
• 21:31
  Seth Holehouse: flights, and she had three of four flights canceled. Just four hours before the flight takes off, you get a notification your flight's been canceled. Every single time, it was just some BS excuse. It wasn't because you could see on the weather map and there's a massive storm system moving through. They said it was just, it has something to do with air traffic or they made something up, it seemed like it.
• 21:59
  And it's not just the airlines. Like, other things, we're seeing the same things happening. So even with with the airlines, do you think that that's related to this as well?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. Let's talk to airlines. I have my own personal experience. Last year during June of twenty twenty two, and remember, disabilities peaked in September 22, I was on my way to Florida, West Palm Beach, and there were cancellations all over the place. And they they blamed weather, but everyone that was sitting around us were checking the weather.
• 22:35
  There was no weather issues anywhere. So that was there was a mysterious mat, and Delta was hard hit. And I suspected it was due to the vaccine and people missing work and or disabled. Well, fast forward to today, I've flown several more times. I went to Sydney, Australia.
• 22:54
  We board our flight.
• 22:57
  Todd Callender: We're we're getting we're getting ready to back off from the gate, and the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: captain says, oh, we're gonna be delayed here for twenty minutes due to some paperwork issues. They they they claim paperwork issues. Then they said, oh, we need to deboard the plane because one of the hydraulics on the so it was a mechanical issue. They lied. They said it was a paper issue.
• 23:17
  Then then they basically had to tell the truth. They're they deboarded the plane because there were too many people on the plane weighing it down so they couldn't fix the hydraulic issue on the on the tire. We were delayed two hours, then we got back on, and we flew. A friend just flew to Maui last week. Same issue.
• 23:35
  It was paperwork, but then it would and and ended they had to switch out planes. The pilot actually said, I'm not flying this plane. It's not safe. They tried to pressure him to fly it. He wouldn't fly it, so they got a new plane.
• 23:47
  This is going on all over. The ripple effects are a disaster. Flying has has never been worse, and it's this this is happening. And you can sit there and live in your little world and deny this, or you can face reality. This is we have glacial Mad Max going on right before our eyes.
• 24:07
  It's it's not gonna be
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: on the news. It's not
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be televised, but, you know, two years from now, it's gonna be a lot different. Goods and services that you're used to, like, getting gonna be harder to get, more expensive, and are nonexistent.
• 24:21
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I think Glacial Mad Max is an interesting way of looking at it. It's almost like it's so slow in certain ways that people don't sense it. Like you don't really realize that that glacier is moving towards you. And that's the interesting thing is it's almost like the powers that be, the governments, the media, the talking heads are doing everything possible to convince us that everything is just normal.
• 24:46
  And they might come out and say, wow, inflation's down half a percentage point. And look, the jobs are up and really good. They're trying to convince everyone. It's like, just stay in this lane, don't look over here. But like they can only cover that up and try to redirect people's attention for so long.
• 25:04
  And especially if you look at the uptake and the boosters, the vaccines, and this house has fallen off a cliff, you can see that people are waking up to that. And so one thing I wanted to of hear your thoughts on is that you recently put out a tweet referring to what you called a vaccine event horizon, Like, something is approaching, I think. So can you detail that a little bit more for us?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's basically the number of people who wake up gets so big that it then inflects and then word-of-mouth spreads, and then the mainstream media or somebody somewhere is gonna have to give up the ghost. And they'll and someone will move will move first because they they realize that the the battle's been lost, whether it's a mainstream media outlet, a politician, a corporation, I don't know what or an insurance company. I don't know. But, we're getting to that, event horizon.
• 26:00
  I think it's gonna happen this fall, maybe before the end of the year, maybe q one. That's kind of my time frame. Anecdotally, I can tell you, you know, personally, you know, I was a pariah initially when I started speaking about this in 2021 amongst my friends. Now my friends know I have a book. Now my friends are, like, begrudgingly the ones that didn't take it and become a hero, the ones who did are begrudgingly saying, yeah.
• 26:27
  You're right. And then, you know, I I I I met someone who is from New York, very left leaning, hates Trump, was a friend of her friend. This person told them about my book. They looked at the book.
• 26:43
  Todd Callender: They were horrified they had
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: vaccinated themselves and their children, and, then they they went off back. They they were coming from another country and then came back through, and now their tune is talking the vaccine is bullshit. So the good news is it's it people are coming through the denial, anger, acceptance, period of grief, and some people are getting there quick. So this person who hated Trump and was, you know, rah rah, not mean, you know, and wished death upon the vaccinated, but, you know, thought this was a a net good, has now pulled to one eighty. And so it's the current.
• 27:20
  Seth Holehouse: And so if you look at all of the institutions that most people used to trust just blindly, the science, education, the media, the government. Now, there's varying degrees of trust. But in general, people had some level of trust for these institutions, even big pharma. Let's say ten years ago, a lot of the listeners to this show probably trusted big pharma. Maybe they're on a handful of different medications from them.
• 27:52
  But if you look at what it took for them to roll out this vaccine, and it took all of these massive institutions moving in lockstep to get the whole world to take this giant step towards getting their first, second, third injection. If they have to do an about face and say, oh, we were wrong because now that event horizon is really happening and you're seeing this convergence of, you're seeing the deaths and disabilities continue to increase. At the same time, you're seeing that awakening of people realizing what's actually causing it, and they're both accelerating until they hit that critical mass, hit that Malcolm Gladwell tipping point, where then the whole thing just snaps open. Even if those institutions come out, say it's, know, Cooper comes out and he has this heartfelt apology for misdirecting people and not looking at the facts and the government comes out. It's not like they lied to us about weapons of mass destruction.
• 28:53
  Like they lied to us and convinced parents to inject their children with these things. They lied to us and convinced people to get this vaccine so they could go see their grandmother. I mean, they lied to us in a way that it tore apart families, it destroyed lives. I mean, know that this is maybe a little more far reaching, but what shift, what happens in society at that point? Because as far as I'm seeing it, the fundamental structures that really make up our reality and our trust in the world around us are gonna be broken so much.
• 29:27
  And I know that myself, I've been digging into this stuff for a long time, and even for me, it's hard to really accept this agenda and understand what was really happening. But for the average person, is it's just gonna hit them like a freight train. How do you see this shaping the future of our society?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna take a different tack. Let's and this is pure speculation on my part, and it's it's not based on anything I know other than wargaming and understanding how you move large populations. Let's say you know the global economies are gonna collapse eventually because the the financial system is at its end endpoint, and you wanted to create a great reset. You would have people implement this vaccination plan maybe knowing or not knowing what's going on with the vaccine, and then knowing that eventually this will come to light and cause such a massive mistrust in governments, you have chaos and a collapse of all the institutions that we have, and then you come out with your solutions to fix everything. The current players on the chessboard, the Klaus Schwab's, the Fauci's, the Bill Gates, yeah, imagine they may they were duped into thinking they were the ones in control, but what if they're being used?
• 30:44
  It's the classic. You you present Bond like villains. These villains go to jail, but everything collapses, and then somebody out of left field comes in with a new solution. That's one speculation. But what I do think is gonna happen is gonna be a realignment of all sorts of things, and there might be violence, not from those of us that know.
• 31:04
  It'll be from those who are the most betrayed, those who bought this hook, line, and sinker, injected their kids, and wished death upon those who weren't vaccinated. Those are the ones who are gonna snap, And they're going to and that's those are the people I worry about, and I don't want to be anywhere near them when they snap.
• 31:22
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, while they're saying that it's it's the far right conspiracy theorists need to worry about, I share the same sentiment. It's the people that like what causes a person to snap. I mean, a lot of ways it's when their reality just breaks all around them. It's when everything hits at once.
• 31:40
  And so those people and also a lot of those people are our new gun owners. We know that since COVID, we had a huge amount of liberals and Democrats that were now buying guns because they've lost trust. And that gets frightening. I mean, I think it could very frightening. But what's interesting, you mentioned that maybe think of this, I'm sure you've heard the Lockstep, Operation Lockstep, part of it was put out, I think it was in 2010 by the Rockefeller Foundation, where they war gamed the scenario of a global pandemic.
• 32:16
  But something that was interesting about that is that they actually played out the scenario of how people would lose trust governments and how that was actually part of the plan. Because it's a good I'm glad that you brought that up because it's like if they want to bring about the great reset and the one world government, they have to have people want that. We need to have some sort of will that says, okay, maybe that's the right solution. At least a portion of the population. There's no way they can just come in with their foot soldiers and put us all in camps and there you go, there's their one world government.
• 32:54
  And so in that Operation Lockstep, I remember reading this and it like, oh, that's interesting how even they want us to lose trust. And so even when, say, Fauci, he said masks work, then masks don't work, emails come out and said this, the CD, they keep backtracking. I remember thinking, oh, these are great wins for the narrative because it's falling apart. But I thought, well, maybe because I see it see through it. But I think for a lot of people, all it's doing is it's further confusing them And they're losing more trust in that, which leads them, it leaves them in a place where they're so easy to corral into this future.
• 33:32
  And so that's that's a big concern of mine is that they will come And maybe even with Trump, I mean, the timing of this, you mentioned this event horizon happening 2023 heading into 2024, maybe that's part of their game plan is that when they reach that critical mass, that's one of the ways that they can still keep him out of office is by coming and saying, look, this is the self admitted father of the vaccine. He's the person behind Operation Warp Speed. I mean, it seems like that might be an effect, he might be an effective fall guy for them to kind of push this and to say, look, we've seen that with the global pandemic, there's a lot of weakness in national level governance. So we really need a global solution for this. And that's when they they then bring the system out.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's potentially we're tracking the the economic numbers, and we're projecting a recession, q three, q '4, q '1 economic mayhem, And economic mayhem and an acceleration of deaths and disabilities would conspire to cause a lot of panic and fear, make people open to solutions. Current you know, the current people on the chessboard are not gonna be the ones presenting those solutions. They're gonna be demonized and thrown to the wolves, and, I think that'll happen. So you have to be very suspicious of anybody coming with a solution that we haven't seen on the chessboard yet that, you know, it's gonna be more handsome than Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates, more eloquent with, you know, some sort of solution.
• 35:11
  I suspect in the depths of the economic problems and the panic in the the institutional loss of trust, they'll offer a CBDC solution tied to a universal basic income, and that's the beginning of the end if that happens.
• 35:29
  Seth Holehouse: And so seeing all this, do you think that they'll succeed, though? Because while I am, I'm also seeing this playbook being played out, and the more you look at it, the more you can really say, wow, it's brilliantly thought through. But we also have this awakening. We have a lot of what you're involved with, lot of the communities and folks I'm involved with, people that are saying, I'm not going to buy in, I'm not going be part of that system, I'm going to build my own system. And you're seeing this resurgence of people rejecting modernism, rejecting the globalist agenda, going back to buying from the local farmer instead of going to the local big chain grocery store.
• 36:11
  So do you think though that there's enough of this momentum of people seeing through this and rejecting it that when we get to that tipping point that we won't tip into the world that they want and rather we can tip things into the world that we want.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I I I have faith that it's gonna be very difficult over the next five years, but that in the end, a renaissance is coming. I just believe that. There's enough people now. And I used to I moved to Maui in '20, '14 because I knew I didn't know this nonsense would occur, but I do did know that the global financial system would collapse at some point, and you don't wanna be on the Mainland. So that's why I moved to Maui.
• 36:56
  Didn't know what what and I always thought it would just be, how would you cover up the global financial collapse? It'd be some sort of war. Well, I guess we had a war. Was called the COVID war. So and here we are in the aftermath, and things are looking increasingly more dystopian, more crazy.
• 37:12
  You look at any news headline I mean, we currently have a sitting president that's unfortunately demented beyond belief whose son definitely they have him dead to rights, influence peddling, president influence peddled, and we have a country that doesn't seem to care. And we have the FTX scandal where there were definitely money laundering, ill gotten gains from the uniparty looting operation back into campaign finance situations, and he just got all charges dropped. So we're in Banana Republic time. As far as I'm concerned, the rule of law is gone, and we're not operating really in a in a justice system anymore. So it's it's already begun.
• 37:51
  It's just slow. You're not gonna see the headlines, and you have to kinda, you know, come to peace with that and figure out what you're gonna do. And what I've been doing is aligning with the good news is this COVID thing woke up a lot of people, and now I'm finding more and more individuals like myself that know that the world you lived in isn't really the world you lived in. It's it's been an illusion. And so that's the good news.
• 38:13
  The good news is it's the the the spreading of and people have different levels of awakening, but they're all the ones that I meet that are with me, they're like, something horribly wrong has happened here, and I'm no longer a part of whatever that is anymore. But they don't know what they are yet, but they're searching and it's great. So it's happening.
• 38:34
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And that is encouraging. I know we're kind of nearing the end of your time,
• 38:41
  Robert Kiyosaki: but one other thing I do want
• 38:42
  Seth Holehouse: to talk about just briefly is cancers. And that's the other thing I'm seeing a lot of reports about, is just these increases in cancer. So what's the data showing you that you're getting on as it relates to cancer?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you the numbers. So this is from The UK Disability data, which I suspect we could find, if we had The US data, it'd probably be the same numbers. But oncology was up, Excess claims were up in 2020 '1 point '7 '8 percent. In 2021, they were up six point four one percent. And in 2022, '30 '5 percent.
• 39:19
  And it's really looking like it's starting to take off in 2022. So the the the you know, there's cancers aren't as quick, but they're they seem to be accelerating. And, you know, I looked at you can go into our data on our website at financetechnology,spelledwithph,.com, And you can go into The UK Disability report. You can play with your own. You can play with any of these these data sets and and make your own charts and graphs.
• 39:45
  It's very interactive. You can go into, oncology, then you can go into what kind of cancer it is, and you can look at breast cancer, for instance, and then you can look at age group 25 to 29, and you see in The UK, in 2022, it's up one hundred and seventy four percent, about three standard deviations. So is it normal for 25 to 29 year olds to get breast cancer? I would say no. So this is just the beginning, unfortunately.
• 40:14
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, and that's the hard part. So you look at that trend, you know, 2020, '20 '20 '1, '20 '20 '2, it's like, one of It it is. I mean, it's like, so gosh, is 2023 going to be eighty percent? I mean, who knows? Who knows?
• 40:31
  And so, yeah, well, it's difficult. It's difficult information to talk about, but I think this is one of the most significant events that's happened to mankind. What this is going to do to shape future generations and just the structure of our society and everything. In many ways, it's very difficult to fathom what our world will look like in ten years. But I appreciate everything that you're doing.
• 41:05
  Just rationally putting the data out there. And that's something is really important is because we don't really need more people that will preach to the choir and that are going be out there screaming about how the vaccines are bioweapons and they're killing everybody. And I think we need more voices that can be shared across that aisle. That's one of the reasons why I really approach the show in the way that I do is that I don't want to put off the people. Job is to not kind of preach to the more conservative or the right.
• 41:37
  My job is to try to bring forth a message that can spread really both sides of the aisle, because that's the other half of humanity. And if we're so divided that we can't bridge that, think that right there is going keep us doomed. That's also part of, I think, ultimate goal is to keep us so divided that we can't unite against them. And I think that this issue, especially for a lot of people that were just doing being dutiful, following their doctor, following what the CDC was saying when they got their kid and now maybe their 10 year old kids having heart Like, this is the issue, I think, that can really unite all of us, hopefully, to to come together and reject this.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And and look. This is about the marginal mind. It always has been in in the capital markets, and, you know, that's where, tipping points occur. Marginal the marginal investor, all of sudden, they all accelerate at the same time and figure out the information you figured out already, and you make a ton of money.
• 42:39
  So my my goal has been to, you know, win over the marginal mine as fast as possible so we can end this. And and I feel like that's my duty is to wake up as many people as possible. And, again, that's why in my book, I left out the who and the why. And just is. And this recent UK data, my partner Yuri Nunez, his quote was, they can't run from this data.
• 43:02
  And that's that's that's the point. The point is you don't have to believe the who and the why or even it's the vaccine. It just is and needs to be talked about. And that, I think, is where the marginal mine battle can be won, because the current health authorities and government authorities aren't even admitting that this data exists. And that's all you need to know, really.
• 43:20
  Seth Holehouse: I think one other important point that you spoke about recently with Greg Hunter, made me think about that, is that it's actually, in a lot of ways in this discussion, it's not about the original intent. Because a lot of people, they want to drive straight to the area where it's okay, hey, this is a depopulation agenda or whatever they're saying it is. The fact that it's being covered up, right? As you talk about how the crime is the cover up, the fact that this data is there, yet our institutions are still pushing these vaccines, are still telling us we're safe and effective. They're still mandating children to go, you know, require them to go to school.
• 43:56
  I mean, in my opinion, that's, in a lot of ways, a massive part of the crime that regardless of the original, even if it was like they even if the best doctors in the world were trying to create the best vaccine to save mankind from the frightening coronavirus and it went awfully wrong because it was rushed. The cover up of this. There's no excusing that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Correct, and the longer the cover up goes on, the more the crime becomes apparent because you see this data and you're yet continuing to mandate this, especially in The UK, all the kids going back have to get their COVID shots just to go to school. And so this is this is the point. The point is they are acting acting as if everything's okay because to admit that there is a problem means it is devastation for their employment, their jobs. So they're killing people willingly to keep this going and cover it up. And the longer this goes on, worse.
• 44:58
  Forget about the intent, whether it was in this. It doesn't it doesn't matter anymore. This is now the crime.
• 45:04
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Do you have any final words before we part?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't live in fear. Take care of your own health. You know, I'm a big, one of the protocols for detoxifying from the vaccine is fasting, and I think there's a lot of good news coming out. Peter McCullough, doctor McCullough has a baseline detoxification regimen, and my daughter's getting on it.
• 45:31
  Some of my other friends are gonna get on it. And basically, it's just supplements you can take baseline to help, you know, get rid of the spike protein. Then there's other things you can do, but these are, you know, over the counter supplements. I'm not gonna name them because I'll screw them up, but Peter McCullough has been talking about them. So their solutions are coming.
• 45:48
  Don't live in fear even if you did get vaccinated. You know, I suspect that my kids were lucky in that they got a degraded vaccine because we live on Maui. It's hot here, and it needed to be stored at minus 78 degrees. So the good news is a lot of you guys that didn't feel any effects and didn't take a ton of boosters don't need to worry because there's a good chance that the the kill shot degraded in the vial before it ever got in your arm, which is good.
• 46:18
  Seth Holehouse: Yes, there is some good news. And I think there's more people coming together and waking up in ways that I've never seen before. Thank you again for coming It's always great having you on the show. And thank you again just for doing what you're doing. You're playing a really important role.
• 46:35
  So I encourage folks to check out your book, Cause Unknown. You can still buy it on Amazon. As far as I know, they haven't pulled it off of there. And then your website, Finance Technologies, and that's finance with a P H. Is that correct?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with instead of an F. We have you know, there's been so much research that we've put out there since the book. It it is literally, I think, the predominant evidence of the crime. We come at it all sorts of different ways, excess mortality, disability, clinical trial analysis, linking the clinical trials to the real world disabilities, the UK disability data. We've got other projects in the pipeline, work workforce absences and lost work time, so it's there.
• 47:18
  And the book if you're in the red meat crowd and you're a believer, the book isn't for you, the book is for your loved one. You buy the book, you hand it to them, because it is a good way to gently introduce them to the fact that the data is the data.
• 47:30
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly, exactly. Well, Ed, thanks again for coming on. It's great having you.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and I appreciate you, and look forward to our next talk.
• 47:41
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. We've now got a really, really critical follow-up interview with Doctor. Kirk Elliott talking a lot more about the nuts and bolts of what's happening with the social credit system. And we just had a really significant thing happen where Doctor. Joseph Mercola, who's one of the enemies of the state, literally had his bank accounts, his CFOs, his CEOs, their children, all their bank accounts were shut down by Chase Bank.
• 48:09
  So what we talked about with Amanjabi, they are rolling this out. So folks, enjoy this interview with Doctor. Kirk Elliott. Kirk, it's great to see you, It feels like it's been months. It's only been a couple of weeks.
• 48:23
  It's good to have you back on.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I know. So many changes, and it does seem like forever. It's like, man, where's Seth? What's going on? But but, you know, busy life moves studios.
• 48:35
  I mean, it's just wild as we grow and impact and influence and what God's doing in our lives. But it does seem like forever. There's no doubt.
• 48:45
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah, like time is moving faster now. What used to take six months happens in a course of six weeks. And so, but yeah, mean, so it may look the same because we didn't redesign the studio, but I'm in a whole new studio. I'm across the nation. I'm not gonna give out even the state I'm in because I actually had people showing up to my house, because people knew I lived in Ohio and they somehow figured out where I lived.
• 49:11
  It was really creepy. So now I'm just kind hanging out and tell people what state I'm in. But I'm actually a studio that's probably four times the size of my previous home studio, And we have some really good plans. We're going to be building an in person set. Hopefully you'll be coming out for like a long three or four hour deep dive interview.
• 49:33
  Amidst the craziest, there's actually a lot of really good things going on.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I can't wait for that. That would be great. I'm really counting down the minutes till we get to do that, because there's always so much to talk about. And when we get together, it's just the synergy is even better than when we're just on a on a video call here. I can't wait.
• 49:54
  Seth Holehouse: It is. So diving into there's just there's so much to talk about,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: but
• 50:01
  Seth Holehouse: there's one story that I saw over the past couple of days that had all of my sirens going off and for a lot of different reasons. And that is the story of Doctor. Joseph Mercola had his Chase accounts shut down and not just his Chase bank accounts. It was the opening paragraph. It says, JPMorgan, and this is at MSN, well actually it's a daily caller on MSN.
• 50:33
  JPMorgan Chase canceled vaxxed skeptic Doctor. Joseph Mercola's business account. Listen to this, and the personal accounts of Mercola Market's CEO, his wife and the company's CFO. And I think even their children had their accounts canceled according to documents obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation. So this, we also had Nigel Farage recently had his accounts shut down because of his relationship with Trump and his political stance, but this is frightening.
• 51:09
  I mean, we've, know, okay, you can maybe, you know, you get kicked off of Twitter or your Facebook, you're in a Facebook jail. That doesn't affect your life. But to have your bank accounts shut down by Chase, who also just so happens to be the bank that's buying up all these small to medium sized banks as they collapse. Is that a coincidence? I mean, what is this?
• 51:37
  What what kind of features this show you, Kirk?
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Well, Okay, so there's a lot to be alarmed with on this. So, you know, most of our most of our viewers on this show would really resonate well with the message of Nigel Farage or doctor Merkel. Right? It's like, who so who is doctor Merkel? He's not like a political activist.
• 52:02
  He's he wants people healthy. Right? He has supplements. He has vitamins. He's he's a doctor.
• 52:08
  He wants them healthy, and he spoke out against vaccines. Right? He's a skeptic on it. Right? So so but they didn't give him that reason, really.
• 52:16
  They just said, we're cutting you up. But here's the scary part about what they did. They didn't just say, you're not being able to access your account anymore, but anybody that works for you, their spouses and their kids. It's like, what? So now anybody that kind of has an association with you, if they don't like you, could could see their stuff go away, right, and their access to their money.
• 52:40
  Now we've been here so here's where we've been talking about for for months now, the the whole concept of central bank digital currency and the whole notion that it's all about control. It's all about people control. It's all about social control. It's like, Kirk, why would you say it's about social control? Because they said that it is.
• 53:03
  And the Federal Reserve docket, o p dash sixteen seventy, when they're defining what money is in the Fed Now app. This is where they basically designed the Fed Now app, and and it was put in the federal register. The definition of money, a unit of exchange. Yeah. You you give somebody some some cash, and you can buy something with it.
• 53:24
  Right? It has a value, $5, 10 dollars, 20 dollars, and it should be a hold of that. You expect if you have this $20 bill in your pocket for a few months, it's gonna be worth $20, you know, a little while from now. Well, inflation is eroding that. Right?
• 53:38
  So they got a problem with that. But they added this fourth definition to money, which is social control. It's like, so I don't say that I'm saying it. This is what they redefined money as. And now when you fast forward three years from those statements, we're seeing what they mean by social control.
• 53:59
  When you shut down Joseph Mercola because of his stance on vaxxes, When you shut down Nigel Farage, a very popular, you know, British politician. Right? He was in he led the Brexit movement. He was pushing for freedom for people in The United Kingdom to get out of the European Union. He wanted the people in England to be able to vote for themselves and have their voice heard.
• 54:27
  Right? But so because he's a prominent politician, they had to give a 40 page dossier on why they they gave him the boot from his banks, whether it's bank, which is Coutts, c o u t t s, was the name of the bank. Now this bank is kind of this upper echelon, upper crust, snooty kind of only wealthy people can go to this private wealth management bank, which he is a very wealthy person. I'm not talking about somebody that nobody would really care about, a bank, you know, like you or me or Jane Doe that has a thousand dollars at Bank of America. Right?
• 55:04
  Just this this is a very prominent person. It's not somebody like us. Right? So so they were willing to actually take the heat for for what they did. But in the announcement, in the dossier when they explained why they got rid of them, so they said Brexit was mentioned 86 times in this memo.
• 55:27
  Russia, One Hundred And Forty Four times. PEP, which I'm not even sure what that is. It might be some kind of European thing 10 times, but also support for Trump, views on immigration, net zero, and the vaccine. So ideology. Right?
• 55:43
  So we're all now they're getting in trouble for for impeding people's freedom of speech. It's like, oh, and they claim no. They have the right to say what they want to. It's like, no. They don't.
• 55:53
  People have freedom of speech nowadays if you agree with the globalist. If you don't, you have none. Right? So that's how they're now defining freedom of speech. It's like, you can say whatever you want as long as you agree with us.
• 56:06
  Other than that, you you can't say anything because now we have teeth, and we'll cut you off from your money if you say anything that deviates from the message that we want you to say. It's gotten that extreme, and that's why this this this Mercola thing is is actually even more scary, so to speak, than than Farage. Why? Because it's an American bank. It's JPMorgan Chase.
• 56:34
  It's the bank that's buying up all these other banks around the country. And so pretty soon, you're gonna have all this consolidation in the banking world, you know, held under maybe four or five big international money center banks that are buying the medium banks. The medium banks are buying the small banks all under this one umbrella with this weird notion that under programmable money, which is what central bank digital currency is, and under having in a central bank digital currency world, a a new process where all of your assets come together under a unified ledger, where they know the source of the funds, they know the use of the funds, they know who the owner is. It's the opposite of blockchain blockchain decentralized cryptocurrency where everything is private. They control the data.
• 57:24
  They know everything about you, but it's no longer immutable and it's no longer unprogrammable. Meaning, they can change the ownership whenever they want, for whatever reason they want, and ideology or how you think, how you believe is going to be whether you keep married to your money or not. I mean, this is what they are showing us by their actions.
• 57:50
  Seth Holehouse: Well, what's crazy is that here in America, we believe so much in the constitution, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment. And just look at the first amendment, there's been so much fight over the de platforming that's been happening on social media, right? The shadow banning, the accounts being shut down, the demonetization. There's been so much about that. It's like, this is a direct threat to our freedom of speech.
• 58:20
  And the thing is that if you look at Twitter about X, which I like Twitter much better, but okay, that's a different story. Yeah, X, okay. If you look at that platform, everyone's like, great, now we can say anything we want to. Well, it's like, well, what happens when they start? Maybe they want you to do that because maybe the next step of this is this social credit system where it's now going to be you're going to all of sudden get a message from your bank saying, look, based upon your recent social media activity and here's some screenshots of those four different tweets you put out, we're gonna have to cease doing business with you.
• 59:04
  I mean, what's gonna happen to me? I mean, I'm certainly on some list somewhere. I'm the person that's sitting in front of a camera. I'm not just some anonymous like, you know, like Trump Maga 45 or whatever. I'm a person that my name is Seth Holehouse.
• 59:19
  I'm right here. So this is like what happened with Chase. And I don't wanna be a fear monger, but that should frighten everybody because that right there is like what we're seeing is that they're inching forward, they're pushing forward this agenda and they're doing it step by step by step. And it always happens with the big guys first. When they kicked Alex Jones off of social media, right off of YouTube.
• 59:47
  I bet a lot of people, a lot of people said, well, Alex Jones, he's really, he's out there. He's the prominent one. I'm okay. Now look at how many accounts have been canceled. So when they start by going after Merkola and canceling his accounts, it's going to start trickling down until it's like now on YouTube, if you're an average everyday person with a small account, if you post something that goes against their guidelines, you're done.
• 1:00:16
  That didn't happen ten years ago. It's now part of the entire framework. And so what's it going to look like? And is it going to be in five years that if you say the wrong thing, it's like, who cares if Elon Musk isn't going to delete your account for talking about something right that is deemed unacceptable to talk about. The conspiracy theory doesn't matter if free speech is completely there on Twitter.
• 1:00:41
  If the banking system is going to use that against you and cut off your ability to access your money or to use that banking system, like this is a whole other world. Like to me, this is this is like the greatest threat to our freedom.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. A lot of people said, well, this is gonna be based on political grounds, and and it's like this has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. How do I know? Because Robert f Kennedy junior, a Democrat, was speaking out against vaccines and out against central bank digital currency as of late thinking saying this is possibly the biggest loss of liberty that that we're ever gonna have. A Democrat.
• 1:01:26
  And you know what? He's being just, like, ostracized by by the media. Right? It's like, wait a second. He's a Democrat.
• 1:01:34
  Right? But he's not your modern day Democrat. He's like your grandparents Democrat. Right? Like like his uncle.
• 1:01:42
  Right? You know, where where those Democrats, I I would say JFK is gonna be more like a mainstream Republican today. Yeah. Right? Pretty much.
• 1:01:50
  And so
• 1:01:50
  Seth Holehouse: JFK is now like a far right conspiracy theorist on on the scale.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So he's he's coming he's coming at it from a voice of freedom. He doesn't like vaccines. Right? But yet now he gets his voice eliminated right, on on ABC saying you can't speak because he said, wait.
• 1:02:11
  I'm running for president. It's like, so what? We're we're gonna tell the people what they wanna hear rather than you telling them what you wanna hear as a candidate. You know, evidently, even even the Biden administration is cutting him off from secret service.
• 1:02:23
  Seth Holehouse: You know? He's been running
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: for president. You should get that. I mean, there's so it doesn't matter what political side of the aisle that you're on. It all has to do with your ideas. Are you pro clean energy, pro green energy?
• 1:02:39
  Do you or do you stand for a small carbon footprint? LGBTQ plus. LGBTQ stuff. I mean, religious views. I mean, we're seeing Canada right now.
• 1:02:51
  See, look what happened to the truckers in Canada. Why did they get shut off from their bank accounts? Because of their freedom of speech, and they were they were boycotting stuff that was going on with their big caravan. Right? So so they got cut off.
• 1:03:04
  Well, Canada right now is, in my view, more communist than China. Right? It's like Trudeau is doing horrible stuff to the people. Even even a pastor, you know, being sentenced to prison for ten years, you know, this is what they're gonna face. His son, the pastor's son, was protesting something over the over a hundred yards away from where the action was.
• 1:03:27
  They said, nope. You're you're too close. Now you're in trouble too. It's like freedom of speech goes the way of the dota bird. And so I I saw this article just this morning about, it was the president of the oil and gas association in America, Very concerned that that the Biden administration, because they've said things a couple of times now, are gonna use emergency powers act, COVID nineteen style restrictions on the energy industry.
• 1:04:01
  Right? It's like, what? What can they do if they claim a climate emergency? What can they do? They can shut off communications.
• 1:04:09
  They can shut off anybody who's speaking out against carbon footprints and stuff like that. Right? They can shut off your ability to heat or cool your house under a state of emergency, which is what they're calling for potentially. And why would I say that? Because UN secretary general Gutierrez, a couple days ago said this.
• 1:04:30
  He said global warming the era of global warming is over. It's like, sweet. But you know that there's another shoe about to drop. Because he said, we we're now in an era of global boiling. It's like, oh, for crying out loud.
• 1:04:44
  It's like, stop using such extremist words. We're not boiling. Yeah. It's been hot the last few weeks. That doesn't mean so so here's where their science is pseudo science, and it's all a bunch of garbage.
• 1:04:56
  Right? Because they're using this. It's impacting entire economies, eco you know, economic ecosystems across the globe. They're using it to change currencies. Right?
• 1:05:09
  Because if you shut off oil and gas, if I mean, look at everything that that's going to impact. Plastics are made by oil. Right? I mean, good. What do they want us to have?
• 1:05:20
  Right? So so you look at this stuff that's happening. It's like a boiling point in in the economy. And so so you've got Biden saying crazy things like, we're gonna block the sun because we need to cool the earth down a few degrees. And here's the pseudoscience that's behind it.
• 1:05:37
  I thought global warming caused the oceans to rise because it melts the polar ice caps. Right? They said if we if we cool down the the earth, well, then it's gonna cause the oceans to rise, and a lot of the coastal cities might be underwater. It's like, wait a second. That's gonna happen if you cool down the earth.
• 1:05:54
  I thought it happened if you raise the I mean, they don't know. They're just using these fearmonger tactics, but this is what it's all about. This is why I went down this rabbit trail is because stopping people from accessing their money is the biggest fear tactic in the world. Just like the whole world is gonna boil up and and all the coastal areas are gonna be underwater. They use fear.
• 1:06:17
  They use fake science. They use all this stuff to try to control by fear. That's not that's not how people should be controlled. People shouldn't be controlled at all. People should be controlled by their own internal ethics and morality, and what God gives us is freedom to make a choice, right?
• 1:06:36
  With every choice that we have, whether we have a choice as Christians for example, to sin or not to sin, To believe in Jesus or not believe in Jesus. Every religion has benefits of doing something the way that you should and consequences from doing the way stuff that you shouldn't. Right? Every single religion. But when you're talking about these kind of things, that should be your moral compass, not fear.
• 1:07:03
  Freedom to make choices and have consequences, good or bad from those choices, are what should compel anybody to do anything. Not fear of cutting you off from your money, but this is the difference between God's economy and man's economy. One is motivated by fear, one is motivated by love. Right? And so we're operating in our world right now in the system that's motivated by fear, and they're causing people to do stupid things.
• 1:07:32
  Like, literally, line up for blocks to have your retina scan by the WorldCoin orb that Sam Altman wants you to have because they're gonna give you free cryptocurrency. It's like, don't do it. Seriously, don't. I'm I'm looking at these pictures, and I'm out loud. I'm saying, seriously, don't do it.
• 1:07:50
  It's like when you watch a thriller or a suspenseful movie and there's always the dump.
• 1:07:55
  Seth Holehouse: It's like, don't go in that room. Don't go in that room.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: You gotta
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: go in this door. It's like, no. As the viewer, you know there's a monster behind that door. It's like, you fools. Everybody always does it.
• 1:08:05
  But this is how I feel like they're they're just like lemmings walking off the cliff. They're saying, oh, yeah. I wanna get my retina scanned. I don't know why, but it sounds like a good idea because it's gonna be more convenient. Right?
• 1:08:16
  It's like, boy, choices for the sake of convenience never have a good result.
• 1:08:21
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And that's the thing is that they're using the, you know, the unfortunately, I think a large portion of, say, America, you know, not sure what percentage perhaps, we'll just follow along. And there'll be a day when they come out and they say, look, the fiat currency system has run its course. Look what's happened with the bank collapses. And here's why a digital universal bank or UBI, universal basic income is going to be really good for you.
• 1:08:54
  They're going to roll that out. I think a lot of people would have say, oh, okay, great. I mean, look at people on their second and third booster, right? So, but this is something I think that as you, again, you come back around to this and looking at what happened to Mercola, right? And I did a recent interview with Amanjabi about the basically how what he's saying is that the social credit system is already here in America.
• 1:09:21
  It's just we don't see it in the same way we see it like we do in China. But it's here, the infrastructure is here. And that's what it's like with Mercola, was his, a lot of ways it was his digital presence that caused a ripple effect into the physical world where he can no longer go to that bank account and pull his money out at that ATM. Right? Didn't steal his money, probably move it to somewhere else, but still there's real world ramifications.
• 1:09:50
  So I actually wanna bring up, there's another zero hedge article I wanna read through a couple of points on because it really helps drive the point home because we've spent a lot of time talking about central bank digital currency. And I still, as I said a year ago, I believe that CBDCs are the single greatest threat to our freedoms. They're the single greatest threat. So let me go read through a little bit of this article because this really helps put into words what life would be like under a central bank digital currency. So published on on zero hedge.
• 1:10:27
  So the CBDCs are coming in the elite plan to use these digital currencies to enslave humanity. I'm not really mincing words with the headline there. Bank digital currencies are feverishly being developed all over the globe, and this is something that should deeply alarm all of us. So I'm going read this. This next paragraph is really important.
• 1:10:52
  For a moment, would like you to imagine a world where the government instantly knows whenever you buy or sell something. No transaction would ever be truly private, not even your most personal or embarrassing ones. In addition, your money would not truly be your own under such a system. Your access to the digital currency system would be a privilege which could potentially be suspended or revoked with the click of a mouse. All of a sudden you would not be able to buy or sell anything and you would become an outcast from society.
• 1:11:33
  Under no circumstances should any government ever begin such power. Unfortunately, the central bank digital currencies are coming and they're going to radically change how commerce gets done. So this is a long article. It goes in and just details the progress that all the different banks have made, whether it's the Federal Reserve or The UK or the EU with the launch of their digital version of the euro, Brazil, how they're testing their central bank digital currency, which says that CBDC is currently being tested in Brazil. And it turns out that it has hidden backdoor features that would actually allow the government to freeze people's funds and adjust their balances at will.
• 1:12:18
  Even Russia with their digital ruble that was just signed into law. So this is serious. And in here it says that overall it's being reported that 130 different countries are now interested in potentially developing their own central bank digital currency. So out of one hundred and ninety five, one hundred and thirty nations are moving towards building CBDCs. And so it concludes, which I think is really important, is saying, us hope that nothing like this happens anytime soon, but we are truly living in unprecedented times and they're only going to get crazier with each passing year, understatement of the decade.
• 1:13:05
  If we're going to object to the implementation of central bank digital currencies, the time is now. Hopefully we can get a lot more people in the general population to wake up because the clock is ticking. And so I just, that really struck me that because CBDC, it sounds like some fancy thing, but looking at this is what it actually looks like. It's like, you know, they told us you owe nothing. Like that's CBDC is you owe nothing.
• 1:13:36
  You're given a digital credit by the global centralized system. And as long as you play by their rules, can still use that Central Bank Digital credit that they give you. What do you think about after hearing me read that?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: Well, the enslavement piece is a scary word, but this is exactly what they're doing. Right? Because in a digital world where they can cut you off from buying or selling unless you agree with them. I mean, isn't that really the true concept of slavery? Right?
• 1:14:14
  I mean, it it is. You your money is not your own. Your life is not your own. You're you're giving up ownership, and this is what programmable money is all about according to doctor Pippa Malmgren of the World, you know, Economic Forum. When she coined this term, I mean, maybe not coined it, but the first time we really heard about it was back in, you know, in 2020 when she was talking about this.
• 1:14:40
  It's like, wow. Programmable money. The ability to to not let you buy or sell unless your digital social profile adds up to what they want, your social credit score. So the whole concept of immutability is so immutable and programmable. Right?
• 1:14:58
  So those two concepts. So a blockchain, you know, the cryptocurrency like what we're used to, it's immutable. I mean, it can't be changed. Non programmable. It can't be changed.
• 1:15:11
  Under this new system, the back doors that you just talked about, the ownership can be changed. The amount can be changed. But here's one of the worst things about all of this, it has a time value. So you can program a time value to your money. Meaning, let's just take this example.
• 1:15:31
  It's like, hey Seth, you've been working really hard your whole life. You have a hundred thousand dollars sitting in your bank account for retirement, right? You're saving up for a rainy day. You're saving up to buy a house. You're saving up to do whatever.
• 1:15:42
  Well, under this system, they say, well, yeah, it's July. Hey, Seth, December thirty first of this year, all the money that you have is going to expire worthless. It's a use it or lose it. Right? So it's like, what are you going to do?
• 1:15:57
  And they would use this to try to stimulate the economy. It's like, we need everybody to spend right now. Let's get us out of these economic doldrums. We're going to get everybody spending, boom, economy fixed, right? This is their methodology.
• 1:16:10
  What happens on January 1? You used all of your money. Now you're completely dependent on them for your credit and debit system. They control the purse strings, right? So I think the time factor that they can have with programmable money when it expires is so dangerous because it could make people spend their entire retirement so you're not no longer dependent on yourself and savings and hard work.
• 1:16:42
  You're now dependent on the government when in their own benevolence. They let you use your money when you want to or when they want to or or not. It's not up to you. It's up to them. See, they can use these tricks to try to stimulate or slow down the economy, right, by having a time frame for money.
• 1:17:01
  It's a very dangerous concept, which is built in inherently to the programmability of money.
• 1:17:08
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And something that is why as we're kind of rounding out here towards, know, it's just some realization that I had, because obviously we talked a lot about central bank digital currency. We talked a lot about the de dollarization in BRICS and about precious metals and just how all that fits together. And it's almost like, you know, where I'm looking to the future that if I thought life was going to continue normal, say for the next ten years, and we're going to be slowly recovering, going back out of the COVID stuff and everything's back to normal. I would be treating my own assets very differently.
• 1:17:53
  Now, I'm not saying that like I'm a Mad Max person. I think that in a year, like I'm putting everything I have into building an underground bunker with 10 of MREs and 100,000 rounds of ammo. Right? Like I'm not there. Right?
• 1:18:08
  But I am somebody that like I believe conservatively that within the next five years, we're going to see significant disruptions to our way of life that will eclipse what we saw with the disruptions that COVID brought about. Not to say that we're going to be in gulags in five years. I think that we're at the end of a system, right? We're experiencing the death of an old system and they want to bring in their new system, but I think a lot of us are going to opt out of that and have our own system. And that's a whole different discussion.
• 1:18:40
  But when I'm looking at my own assets, because I've been reflecting on this recently, because we're moving, we're in the process of moving, we're building a house, we're selling a house. And I've had to think about these things. Like how do I manage the assets that are associated with that? And something that I realized, because if I had a little bit of extra money, I always just tend to go towards silver. Occasionally a little bit of gold if I came across something that's interesting, but it's mostly just silver.
• 1:19:07
  It's because I'm not looking at it and saying, what can I do with this money that I can make 7% a year or 10% a year over the next five years? And it's like, it's not an investment vehicle, right? I don't have any money in the stock market. I pull everything out of all that stuff because for me, it's like I want to do everything possible to take the assets that I have and just preserve them. Like there's a storm coming, right?
• 1:19:41
  There's a storm coming. I'm not interested in trying to look at it like, well, the stock market's doing pretty well right now. So I keep this one in Apple and keep a little bit over here in this. It's like I'm looking at it and saying, do I think that somehow over the next five years there's going to be some level of turmoil? And if so, my own personal belief is like, I'm just trying to batten down the hatches and secure what assets I do have to make sure that I can get through that and get to the other side of it and still have those assets?
• 1:20:20
  Because as much as like right now, it's like maybe the stock market is doing great. You're making 10% a year and you want leave it in there. If after five years that gets wiped out or as we saw with the unified ledger, it as an asset, it all gets put on to the the BIS unified ledger and thereby is now controlled as a digital asset the same way that central bank digital currency would be. It's like, I'm trying to avoid that in every way possible. And so I just wanted to share that because obviously, we talk about precious metals and that's what you do.
• 1:20:55
  But I would never recommend anybody do anything that I don't really believe in. And I had this experience lately in thinking about it, it really made me click and made me think, you know what, I feel like I've done the right thing. I feel like I've actually made the right decisions with how I've managed these things. I just wanted to share that with you, because it just was this little kind of light bulb that went off for me.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, it's the same light bulb that's going off for a lot of people right now. Are scared, and I want to leave people with, don't be scared. I mean, yeah, just because Sethi and I talk about politics and the economy and how dark it is, it's like we don't make up these rules. We don't make up these policies. The people that we voted for did.
• 1:21:38
  Right? And saying, we're just talking about about the ramifications of bad policy. But yet, if I were to focus on the storm, I would be very scared. I I simply would because there's no hope. There's no hope in the storm.
• 1:21:56
  It's too bad. It's too ugly. It's too nasty. The waves are too big. The wind is too strong.
• 1:22:00
  However, I'm focused on the solution. And in anything in life, when you focus on the solution instead of focus on the storm, that will put a smile on your face because it you you know that there's hope. You know that there's an answer. You know that you're not gonna be in this spot forever. Right?
• 1:22:16
  And we do have a solution. We have a good one. Whether it's whether it's investing into silver right now as a tangible asset That's not part of like this unified ledger, right? It's like real estate's going to be part of this unified ledger because it's not totally private. You have a title on it and you have property taxes.
• 1:22:39
  Therefore it's not really private. Something that's totally private, it kind of gets out of that system. But we also have this other hope that's starting to percolate, and that is the the rise of the state sovereignty system, right, where you've got states' rights are coming up and you've got states like Texas and Alaska that want a state chartered central bank backed by gold. Get out of the federal system. Get out of FDIC.