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What The Fuck Is Wrong With America?: Part II - McCarthyism · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  Good as the others part of the hocus pocus lack of focus, the
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  very uneducational podcast that asks you the question, are you
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  now or have you ever been interested in paranormality,
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  witchcraft, true crime and all things weird?
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  If so, stay tuned today we will be continuing usheen series
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  What's Wrong with America, focusing on McCarthyism and the
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  second Red Scare. It's mission Justy, and the only
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  reason I'm not a better socialist is because of the
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  social aspect. People are yucky.
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  I'm joined, as usual, by the man who would have definitely been
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  arrested on day one for being a dirty commie.
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  It's resident Soviet sympathizer.
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  Oh, she burned. Looking a little red.
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  And who could forget our Hostess with the most chest?
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  She thinks the Red Scare is when she spills her moon blood from
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  the weird, disgusting jars layered around her apartment.
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  It's Daddy Thomas. You guys and my jars leave my
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  jars alone. There's actually no gross jars
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  out there at the minute. They're gross and disgusting.
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  You like jars of blood for anyone?
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  Who just came in here and this is their first episode.
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  We have to tell them that Daddy you, you piss in jars.
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  I don't, and you do witchcraft. That you worship demons.
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  I do witchcraft and sometimes I use my piss.
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  Bushcraft. I let's just move on because
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  like. So yeah, to our new listeners,
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  Danny practices a bit of witchcraft.
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  And what she does is she gets her period blood and she puts it
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  into a jar, and then she waits for a full moon and she puts it
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  out in the full moon to charge the blood with magic.
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  And then she puts hexes on men that she likes or doesn't like.
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  Hex both of them, keeps them on her toes.
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  Hex both? Yeah, just just hex both with
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  the one with the one jar does the same thing.
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  Absolutely not. What I do at all but OK.
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  Hexes aren't real. Did you say Texas ain't real?
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  Yes, with Texas. That is a that that's the most
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  obscure quote from American Dad that I wish everybody.
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  Love American? That's such a good show.
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  I had like a scene, a scene from it popped up on my on my TikTok
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  the other day and it was, I can't even remember the context
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  of it, but Stan is like dancing in a bar and then this kid goes
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  over and he's like, This is why you keep getting molested.
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  It's such, it's such a good. Bet that show is no fucking good
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  man. So funny, like Seth MacFarlane
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  once he gave up trying to win an Emmy, everything is just gold.
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  Like Family Guy is fucking hilarious again.
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  It's so good. Yeah, I watched.
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  I watched that season on your recommendation, Danny Delay, a
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  season that was pretty, pretty good.
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  I haven't watched any of the new stuff.
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  That's so good. It's kind of a, it's kind of
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  boomerang back to being like. Classic kind of Family Guy.
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  Irreverent as ever, yeah. Yeah, there's like an episode.
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  Did you watch the one where Meg marries that Russian scammer
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  like moves to Russia of? Course no.
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  Obviously I think it's like the end of the season before the
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  latest one. But obviously because Mia Kunis,
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  she speaks fluent Russian for a whole episode, like half the
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  episode is just in Russian. It's really, really good.
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  It ends up like using her for like drug mulling and and
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  whatever. But it's it's such a good show
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  anyway. Split second of day there.
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  Really killed you there. Did you just?
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  Stare it at me and I was like did I freeze?
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  I was waiting for Ocean to take charge.
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  Speaking of Russians, that's nice.
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  This is something that like I've been into for like a long time
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  and like you read about and you hear about and you listen to
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  shows about it. And it just seems that there's
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  like so many moving parts to it. And it is literally one of the
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  biggest scandals. Like it comes from one of the
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  biggest scandals in America in modern American history.
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  And it sets the tone in America. The reason I've put it into this
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  series is because Joe McCarthy with his rampant paranoia, he
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  sets the tone for America for the next 100 years.
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  And even as we speak, there is a Supreme Court hearing where they
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  are trying to determine birthright citizenship.
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  Again, it's going very badly for the argument against it.
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  But there are seeds from Joe McCarthy that are in the current
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  Supreme Court case, which was heard as of recording today.
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  And it's where the question is, is someone American?
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  Are they American or are they UN American?
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  Do they have the right to be an American?
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  And the link is the people who are involved in the sharing of
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  government secrets were Russian born, but they had birthright
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  citizenship in America. And that's the seed that created
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  like, oh, well, just because they're born here doesn't mean
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  that they're loyal to America. And that was the paranoia that
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  was born, that went into Joe McCarthy, metastasized in him
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  and has come through to the modern age.
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  Yeah, I think they've just kind of replaced Russians along the
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  way with different types of Muslims being like the
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  predominant ones over the last maybe 2 decades.
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  Now it's kind of even turning into you can be an American
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  citizen here for five generations.
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  And if you've shown to support Antifa in any way, now they're
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  they're telling you that your own American it's it's.
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  It's anything they wanted to be that can that can discredit you.
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  That's that's the beauty. Of this, this stuff with
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  McCarthyism as well, it's like it's all you just have to point
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  the finger and then that someone is guilty.
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  Because like he accuses people of being communist and being
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  like loyal to communist objectives.
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  But if you're in a trade union, you're considered a communist
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  because it like a trade union is a socialist thing.
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  And like that's just like the political movement of socialism
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  rather than socialism attached to communism.
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  But they are just like, Oh no, there's no difference.
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  Like if you're in a trade union that's commie, that's red.
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  Yeah, but even like all this was also just used to take apart
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  what they would call liberalism as well.
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  So anyone who was who was seen as liberal was now.
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  OK, we'll tire you with the same brush as communist.
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  And that's basically anyone who is kind of in the arts or really
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  we'll see as you go on with your what you've written up here.
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  But it's just what this fucker Joe McCarthy, who by the way, we
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  have to claim because he's ours is the name is the name is right
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  there. He's an Irish Catholic.
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  And we can't say like, oh. We can't blame the it's on him
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  exactly. It's right right there.
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  If the Brits want to claim them, they can have them.
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  Because he is, they can have them.
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  He's a bollocks of the highest. Renewable bollocks.
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  Yeah. OK, let's get into it.
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  Post World War 2, America was celebrating winning the war, the
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  triumph of good versus evil, and freeing the world from the grip
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  of the Axis of Evil. You would think that this would
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  be a time to take a lap and revel in their massive
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  contribution to the war effort. You would think President Harry
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  S Truman, high off his actions of committing the arguably war
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  crimes of dropping atom bombs on Japanese civilian populations,
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  sought to tighten things up back home in the good old USA.
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  And in 1947 he signed the Executive Order 9835, which
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  demanded that all federal employees prove their loyalty to
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  America and to him as well. Why did they need to prove their
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  loyalty? Red Scare, specifically the
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  second red scare. The first Red Scare was around
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  1918 to 1920 and it was a political paranoia based on the
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  supposed rise of socialism, communism, and anarchism.
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  Russia had emerged from World War 2 as a superpower alongside
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  America, having pushed back the Nazis from the Eastern Front and
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  then following them home to Berlin.
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  But instead of rampant capitalism, their imperialist
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  flavor was communism, and America did not like it.
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  And so the second Red Scare was born.
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  This was a paranoid time and it was used to seek out and punish
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  any form of subversive thinking or ideologies.
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  Senator Joseph R McCarthy was born in 19 O 8 on a farm in
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  Wisconsin to an Irish mother, Bridget Tierney, from County
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  Tipperary. Irish.
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  Oh, she's a it's like fear Cyrus, like Bridget.
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  And to an Irish German father, Timothy McCarthy, he lived a
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  very normal rural life, grew up, worked odd jobs here and there,
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  but had ambitions for himself and went to college and became a
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  lawyer. Like, you know, big notions,
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  like notions, as we say in Ireland, like ideas above his
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  station, but very successful. He was probably what you would
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  call terminally ambitious, like from an early age, like he was
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  doing things fast. He was working his way up a lot
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  of ladders. Yeah, he was every bit the
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  American Dream success story. An immigrant family came to
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  America and now their son is a lawyer.
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  Interesting tidbit, he made money on the side through
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  gambling. He was not without his voices,
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  despite his targets as he aged. Typical Irish.
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  He went on to become a judge and gained a reputation of working
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  fast and was dedicated to clearing a backlog of cases in
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  the state. He even focused on divorce cases
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  and made efforts to ensure that children were protected and had
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  good outcomes. So like, he had a lot of good
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  intentions initially. In 1942, he voluntarily enlisted
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  in the US Marines and his college education meant that he
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  entered at a high rank of Lieutenant and he became an
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  intelligence offer for a dive bomber squadron.
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  But he never actually saw any real action.
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  He was mostly involved in training exercises.
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  He later got caught out telling wholesale lies about his
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  exploits during the war. In the book Reds McCarthyism in
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  the 20th Century America by Ted Morgan, the author revealed that
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  all Joe had really done was shoot a coconut trees and he
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  earned the mocking nickname Tail Gun Joe.
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  Yeah, so like this, this obviously, again, I've gone deep
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  into the weeds on this one and I've gone.
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  There's actually people out there now that when they talk of
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  the stories, their whole thing is like Joe McCarthy was right.
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  And yeah, yeah, they look back at it and they really
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  romanticize this guy. Yeah.
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  From what I heard of them telling the story of this Hale
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  gunner Joe, they just say like because he was such a good tail
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  gunner in the Marines that he earned himself that nickname.
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  But like, right, he's an absolute fucking shyster.
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  He's a fraud. Yeah, so he.
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  Two degree 2°. No, he's a, he's a literal fraud
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  when it comes to because there's a, there's a story about him
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  getting a Medal of Honor. Oh yeah.
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  The way he got the Medal of Honor was he was meeting with
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  this EH high general who hands out these medals and he typed
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  out his own letter of recommendation.
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  Yes, he did and slipped it in like it was like like it was in
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  the 19 fucking 80s and it was like his slipping in his test
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  scores like in a, you know, like a teen movie.
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  Yeah. Like he's, he just slipped in
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  the the letter of recommendation, the guy signed
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  it and he got himself a medal, but he didn't do anything, if
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  anything, like. Did he like forge a signature on
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  it or did he just say this is? The guy signed it, so he.
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  He gave it to his commanding officer.
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  Oh, OK. And the commanding officer had a
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  stack of letters, so he was just like, sign next page, sign next
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  page. And he just slipped it in there
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  and got himself a Medal of Honor.
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  Love that though. Yeah, it's crazy.
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  I like he was discharged from the war because he was injured
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  and he was telling people that he had taken shrapnel.
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  It was a war wound, yeah. He had a war wound but he broke
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  his leg. There was two stories of it.
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  There's one where he was the subject of hazing.
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  So his fellow fucking the other marines.
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  Marines rough house a little bit too much and he did broke his
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  foot. And the other story is there's a
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  term I forget what it is, but it's it's shocking or something
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  like that is where you no, no, not it's it's so I was I almost
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  said shell shocked, but it's totally different.
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  But this is when you cross the equator.
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  So when you do, obviously they're north of the equator and
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  when you go South of the equator.
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  Yes, when you cross the equator. Yes, So they have this big
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  celebration. There's a yeah, exactly.
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  They have a big celebration. Everybody fucking sings,
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  advances. And apparently our good buddy
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  here, Tail Gunner Joe, he parted a little bit too hard, fell down
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  stairs and broke his leg and had to be discharged from the army.
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  That's how he left the war. That was how he left World War
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  Two, yeah. That's so funny.
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  When he was signing up, so he was a he was a judge at the time
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  and being a judge made you exempt.
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  But then like one of his friends, like he was thinking
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  about joining and he knew that he'd be able to join at a higher
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  rank so he wouldn't just be on the front lines.
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  And when he was kind of humming and horn about one of his
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  compatriots, kind of like was egging him on, but he was just
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  like, what? You got shit in your veins.
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  Like, you know, like had to had to like, challenge him as a
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  coward. But like, to his credit, like he
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  enlisted, like he was part of the war effort.
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  Like, like, yeah, look, he didn't do much and he kind of,
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  he spent a few years, like knocking around on training
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  exercises. But you know what?
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  You do still have to give him credit.
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  Like, you know, where we live in a time where we're looking at
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  the potential of World War Three.
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  And, you know, like any contribution to saving the world
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  from another axis of evil is always a good thing.
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  I kind of do respect him signing up.
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  Exactly. X because like, when you hear
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  the stories about him, like, and you kind of go, oh, he was just
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  a bullshit artist. Yeah.
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  The fact that you put yourself out there and went in, no matter
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  what he was thinking, it's it, there is a level of bravery to
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  that. And you kind of have to give him
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  his due on that one. Yeah.
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  So he successfully ran for the Republican primary nomination in
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  1946, meeting his opponent, who he mocked for not having served
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  in World War 2, even though his opponent was too old to do so at
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  the time. And he also accused his opponent
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  of war profiteering, even though he himself had earned a modern
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  equivalent of nearly $800,000 from wartime investments.
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  And he went on to defeat the Democratic nominee in a strong
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  victory of 61% to 39%. And his campaign slogan was
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  Congress needs a tail gunner, and I am.
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  I'm into that bravado. I kind of love that.
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  Yeah, yeah. You know, he was really like he
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  was into the brand of of tail gunner Joe.
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  His first few years as a senator were fairly unremarkable.
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  He made some speeches, worked the rooms at dinner parties and
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  he argued the case for labor rights.
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  He was seen as a moderate Republican, but Republicans in
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  the 1940s and 50s and today's Republicans are two very
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  different beasts. But then again, notoriety
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  because he argued that a group of Luftwaffe pilots should have
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  their convictions thrown out because he said they're
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  confessions had been obtained to torture and the judge in him
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  couldn't let that stand. Sounds good, right?
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  Right. Wrong.
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  It later emerged that Joe had been told about the tortured
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  confessions by a full throated neo Nazi and Joe himself was a
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  raging anti semite who used to show people his prize copy of
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  Mein Kampf and say and I fucking quote, that's the way to do it.
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  Oh. God.
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  A Nazi in the American military? Surely not.
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  Never. OK, so here's the main show we
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  finally get to what has become known as McCarthyism.
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  In February 1950, Joe gave the enemies within speech at a
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  Republican Women's Club meeting celebrating Abraham Lincoln's
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  birthday. An unhinged white guy using an
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  innocuous speech to say an insane and paranoid things,
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  something Donald Trump is an expert at.
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  He used this speech to set out his stall of Russia versus
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  America and the values that represented in that battle.
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  Quote, ladies and gentlemen, can there be anyone here tonight who
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  is so blind as to say that the war is not on?
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  Can there be anyone who fails to realize that the communist world
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  has said the time is now, This is the time for showdown between
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  democratic Christian world and the communist atheistic world?
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  Unless we face this fact, we shall pay the price that must be
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  paid by those who wait too long. Turning to the core of his
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  sentiment, he said, quote, when a great democracy is destroyed,
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  it will not be because of the enemies from without, but rather
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  from the enemies within. This is a sentiment that is
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  still echoed today. Like that is the, like the last
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  episode of Puritans, they would look at each other and not think
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  that they are holy enough. And McCarthyism is they would
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  look at each other and think, you're not American enough.
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  Yeah, you have other interests at heart.
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  And that is it's something that continues into the 60s, like the
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  communist scare continued on. Like, I get into this like,
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  later on, but like, every single moral panic can be traced back
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  to, like, Puritans, witch trials, McCarthyism.
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  Yeah. It's just like it's this cycle
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  that just keeps going and going. Like even you're, you're seeing
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  it now with like the enemy within thing is, is so it's just
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  perfect. It's just a real perfect way to
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  make people paranoid and to make people look around.
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  Nobody's looking up if you're looking around that.
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  This is the kind of the sentiment that everybody is is
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  thinking of now, Especially when right now, I'm not going to get
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  into the Epstein stuff. We've done fucking 3/3 full
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  episodes on that. But like, it's the whatever,
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  everybody is mistrusting the government or the people in
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  charge or the elites. The way to kind of shake that up
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  and to get people to stop looking at the people on top is
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  to look within. And it's as we're going to find
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  out here, obviously it's like the people in your schools, the
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  people in your workplace, they could be communists and you kind
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  of scared them. And like nowadays it's the, you
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  know, illegal immigrants. It's the hell.
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  Like if you, if you look around now, any of these people could
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  be, eh, one of these guys who jumped over the border to try
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  and rape your family. And it's like you just create
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  that paranoia all the time. And I think McCarthy, when he
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  struck this vein, it was like striking gold because he was
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  trying ever he was throwing so much shit at the wall, but it
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  was it was this. I don't think it this is
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  something that he really believed in until he made
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  himself believe in it until. He was an opportunist, yeah.
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  So when he when he figured out that this thing is working and
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  it's after he created scandal, he created a buzz when Yeah,
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  it's got him on the front page of newspapers.
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  OK, this is what I'm on a clutch to.
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  And his favorite place was the front page of a newspaper like.
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  Today, Trump will often like, echo the enemies within speech
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  and he will talk about, you know, liberal judges being the
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  enemy of the people. And that is like, that's
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  literally out of like Hitler's playbook, like talking about
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  liberal judges, enemy of the people.
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  And you're describing your fellow countrymen as the enemy
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  of the people. And like, that happens in in
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  England as well. Like you have right wing parties
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  here who will talk about, you know, the lefty elite being the
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  enemy of the people. And the Tory government here a
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  couple of years ago were referring to judges who were
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  just upholding the law as like these lefty extremist liberal
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  judges. And it's like, no, no, no,
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  they're just, they're literally interpreting the law.
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  OK, so the whole speech is a roller coaster of paranoid
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  delusion, but it lit the fuse on the Russians have covertly
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  inverted our shores and are recruiting Americans to destroy
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  America from within. Time bomb.
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  Oh, no. He claimed to have a list of 57
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  instances of people being dedicated communists but working
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  for the American State Department.
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  The clock was ticking. 57 is the.
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  Number that he landed on. It's the number he landed on.
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  But then that number changed like, you know, he, I think the
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  day after he, he like, uh, revised the number to like, you
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  know, over 100. It was the the.
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  First number was two or five I believe and it was when it got
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  back down. 57 was what was agreed when it was transcribed.
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  Yes, yes. To to write in the numbers, but
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  he changed it like 5 times. But The funny thing about this
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  is there actually was a list of names.
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  Yes, but he didn't have a list of names.
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  He was just hacking them back to something that intelligence had
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  put out like 2 years before. Had said that there are people
• 19:55
  that are within the the government and the State
• 20:00
  Department. Yeah.
• 20:00
  Different. Different state departments, and
• 20:03
  it wasn't just that they were communists.
• 20:04
  There was all kinds of self there that like some of them
• 20:07
  were gay. There was talk about people
• 20:09
  being adulterers, stuff like that.
• 20:11
  Like so it wasn't just like that.
• 20:13
  There were comments. It was anything that that you
• 20:15
  could be compromised with. So like exactly compromise and
• 20:19
  exactly obviously you're going to get into a lot more at this,
• 20:22
  but like I just found that fascinating that like he this is
• 20:26
  and again, we'll get into it later on.
• 20:28
  Again, sorry for I don't want to jump ahead too much, but Trump
• 20:31
  is 1° of separation away from Joe McCarthy.
• 20:34
  Yes, when it comes to the likes of corn.
• 20:36
  So like when we see that, we see here that when he says he has
• 20:40
  this number and then it changes every day and it's an obvious
• 20:43
  lie. We're seeing that right now with
• 20:45
  Trump. Oh yeah, it's it's the same.
• 20:47
  Playbook. It's it's exactly.
• 20:48
  The same thing. It's like you, you could say
• 20:50
  that like the guys are like he's tracing off his homework.
• 20:53
  Like yeah to his. Surprise, his speech became a
• 20:55
  sensation and it's message went far and wide and he found
• 20:59
  himself on the tip of every tongue in Washington.
• 21:01
  While he refused to name his sources, it is believed that he
• 21:04
  took a list from a former FBI agent by the name of, And I shit
• 21:08
  you not, Robert E Lee, and claimed that he had penetrated
• 21:13
  the Iron Curtain of Washington. And the Iron Curtain of
• 21:16
  Washington was a phrase that this Robert E Lee used and then
• 21:19
  McCarthy just loved because, like, it's a very, like,
• 21:21
  visceral visual image of the time when like, everyone was
• 21:25
  paranoid about the Iron Curtain that had split Europe in half.
• 21:29
  The US Senate voted unanimously to investigate his accusations,
• 21:33
  and the Tidings Committee was established.
• 21:35
  Named for Senator Millard Tidings Nerd Name Nerd Millard.
• 21:41
  Looks like everything is coming up.
• 21:42
  Millard, stay cool. Millie.
• 21:48
  So Millie wanted to make Joe look like a big dumb idiot.
• 21:52
  A big dumb Irish idiot. The committee was a farce, and
• 21:55
  Joe used it to fling accusations.
• 21:57
  And he named names, most of whom had already been accused and
• 22:00
  investigated. But it was Joe's time in the
• 22:02
  spotlight, and he saw his name in lights.
• 22:05
  Eventually the committee decided that his accusations didn't
• 22:08
  carry any truth. The people he named were not
• 22:10
  communists. It was voted on three times by
• 22:12
  the Senate and each time it was along partisan lines.
• 22:15
  But the findings were accepted that Joe McCarthy was now one of
• 22:19
  the most well known politicians in the country.
• 22:21
  Mission accomplished. He used his perch to accuse
• 22:24
  homosexuals of infiltrating the government and why he was hoping
• 22:27
  sexuality a problem because the Soviets could then blackmail
• 22:31
  them. More compromise, but that's
• 22:33
  that's such. A tenuous things.
• 22:35
  I think everybody who thinks about this agrees now that,
• 22:37
  like, this was mostly filled with, like, homophobia and also,
• 22:42
  like, bigotry and like, like, so much racism involved here.
• 22:46
  Yeah, like if he didn't. Like a person.
• 22:47
  And he thought that they were gay.
• 22:48
  He'd be like, oh, well, they're gay.
• 22:50
  And the Russians can use that to, to, like, force them to
• 22:52
  share state secrets. Because that is.
• 22:54
  Yeah. They don't want their.
• 22:56
  Secret getting out so it's funny because.
• 22:59
  With Joe McCarthy, like when you have one finger pointing
• 23:03
  outwards, you know there's three fingers pointing back.
• 23:06
  And he had accusations. Pointed at him as well.
• 23:09
  Bit of controversy. There in the 1940s.
• 23:11
  And 50s gay people, mostly gay men, were simply fired from
• 23:15
  whatever job they had. If you were gay, you were gone.
• 23:18
  And sometimes an accusation was enough to do that.
• 23:20
  This gave the accuser power. This gave Joe power.
• 23:24
  It is important to note that he wasn't the only person in this
• 23:27
  paranoid movement. He was just the poster boy.
• 23:29
  The whole political establishment was in on this
• 23:32
  bandwagon. So like McCarthy gets like he
• 23:34
  does get a lot of shit for it. He deserves a lot of shit for
• 23:37
  it. But the whole Red Scare was the
• 23:39
  entire political establishment. Everybody was paranoid about
• 23:44
  Russian infiltration and Russian spies.
• 23:47
  And it was, you know, partially because it was true, but it just
• 23:50
  wasn't as widespread as everyone said it was.
• 23:52
  Like, you know, the, the Yanks had spies all over the world.
• 23:55
  They had spies in Europe, they had spies in Russia.
• 23:57
  They had spies like in Asia. Everyone spies on everyone they
• 24:00
  knew as. Well, that there had to been
• 24:02
  spies like they, they, they weren't foolish enough to to
• 24:05
  think, Yeah, like, especially when you're saying they have
• 24:07
  spies all over the world. They we know that like the Brits
• 24:10
  had spies like they've invented modern day espionage.
• 24:13
  So they knew their allies all had like proper spies all over
• 24:18
  the world. So like they would have been
• 24:21
  silly to think that the Russians weren't doing the same thing.
• 24:24
  So the paranoia was real, but it was you couldn't concentrate on
• 24:28
  on anyone or anything in particular.
• 24:31
  Like otherwise the spies wouldn't be very good if you
• 24:33
  could just single them out straight away to be really bad
• 24:35
  spies because they a good spy. Is someone who is just a regular
• 24:39
  normal person. Like, nothing special about
• 24:41
  them. Like, they're just smart.
• 24:43
  And that's even like how modern spying works.
• 24:45
  Like there's a former politician here.
• 24:46
  His name is Rory Stewart. He used to be a spy in MI 5.
• 24:49
  The guy looks like an extra in Willy Wonka.
• 24:53
  Yeah, Yeah. Like he he's just the most
• 24:56
  British, just unassuming, unremarkable man.
• 24:59
  But like, he has a brain that is absolutely incredible.
• 25:04
  Like, he is like twice the brain the average person has.
• 25:06
  Unfortunately, he was a Tory, but I think he kind of saw the
• 25:09
  light. And now he does a podcast with
• 25:11
  Alastair Campbell, of course, which is like, you know, we're
• 25:14
  The Odd Couple and we come from different sides of the political
• 25:17
  spectrum, but we get along in the middle.
• 25:19
  And it's like, OK, OK. And so I just want to like take
• 25:22
  this moment as well to like, I say that like the paranoia was
• 25:26
  real and the reason that was real.
• 25:28
  So like Joe McCarthy was active in the early 50s.
• 25:31
  Like that's when McCarthyism itself was born.
• 25:33
  But in the lead up to it, the reason the paranoia was real,
• 25:37
  and we talked about this just before recording is because
• 25:39
  there was like a real spy ring. And there was an American
• 25:43
  couple, both of whom were of like Russian descent.
• 25:47
  And they spied for the Russians and shared nuclear secrets with
• 25:52
  I think it was found. Later that they didn't share
• 25:56
  nuclear secrets because that's what they were trade for.
• 26:01
  Yeah. It came out afterwards that they
• 26:03
  couldn't share nuclear secrets because they didn't have nuclear
• 26:07
  secrets because they they weren't in on that.
• 26:09
  What they did, what is, what's his first name is Rosenberg.
• 26:13
  Is his name, so yeah, So Julius. He and Cynthia is her name.
• 26:17
  Yeah. No Ethel.
• 26:18
  Ethel, sorry. Yeah, I knew it was one of those
• 26:20
  old woman names, but Cynthia. But he get it into you.
• 26:26
  Cynthia. He he did know a lot about the
• 26:30
  industrial complex in like, you know, an actual army and, you
• 26:35
  know, he knew a lot of secrets that way and he was given a lot
• 26:38
  of information to the Russians. And yeah, he was in Los Alamos,
• 26:42
  Yes, yeah, yeah. But I think it was they do a
• 26:45
  tribute to Russians because, like, this is where the big
• 26:48
  panic came in. It's because Russia's got
• 26:50
  nuclear capabilities. Yeah.
• 26:52
  And that's when the Americans are like, oh, shit, now they're
• 26:55
  on the level with us. Like, there could be nuclear war
• 26:57
  again. That's what the Cold War is.
• 26:59
  I'm not telling anyone anything that they don't already know.
• 27:01
  Yeah. So like.
• 27:02
  The Americans, like, they developed the bomb, dropped the
• 27:05
  bombs in 1945. The Rosenbergs allegedly perhaps
• 27:10
  shared nuclear secrets, but like, it was like diagrams of
• 27:13
  some of the machinery involved in it that was shared.
• 27:15
  And they also like, got a list of people who were working there
• 27:18
  and they shared that because it was like, oh, maybe they can be
• 27:20
  compromised. So there was information that
• 27:23
  was shared. And it was Julius and Ethel
• 27:25
  Rosenberg. It was her brother, who's David
• 27:28
  Greenglass, and then there was a few other people who were
• 27:30
  working there. There's a British guy, or maybe
• 27:32
  he was German. Fuchs, I think his.
• 27:34
  House Fuchs, Yeah, he was in Britain, but he was, he was a
• 27:37
  German, Yeah. And he was tried in.
• 27:38
  Britain for this conspiracy, Yeah, he's the one that.
• 27:42
  Everybody would say he pushed the Soviet nuclear program into
• 27:46
  the next level like it was this Fuchsky.
• 27:47
  Yeah, because the Soviets. Then they tested successfully
• 27:51
  their first nuclear bomb in 1949, and like immediately it
• 27:55
  was like other was a spy. And it was found out, the
• 27:57
  Rosenbergs were found out, they were executed for their role in
• 28:02
  the whole conspiracy. And I think they were like the
• 28:04
  first ever non wartime executions of spies.
• 28:09
  Yeah. And I think she was the first
• 28:11
  female execution in nearly 100 years.
• 28:15
  I'm sure. Like the previous female
• 28:16
  execution was someone who was like, standing up against
• 28:18
  slavery or something. I think.
• 28:20
  Absolutely. I think the civil war was when
• 28:22
  they attribute like the last time that like anyone was was
• 28:26
  tried and executed for the same kind of thing like differ like,
• 28:31
  you know, espionage a female anyways.
• 28:34
  So that's a long kind of, I suppose like, even like true,
• 28:39
  like the First World War. In the Second World War, they
• 28:41
  didn't have as much like espionage.
• 28:44
  I know, like the Americans kind of just came in at the the end
• 28:47
  of the Second World War to kind of do a sweep.
• 28:50
  They had to drop. They were working on this
• 28:52
  somewhere. Yeah, but it was kind of the
• 28:56
  Cold War where they were like, oh, espionage is the real way we
• 28:59
  can actually, like, take down the country now.
• 29:01
  Yeah, it's the new. Warfare.
• 29:03
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 29:04
  I just read a. Book called Washington Bullets
• 29:07
  and it's mostly about all the American interference and coups
• 29:12
  in South America. Oh yeah, in the 20th century.
• 29:15
  And like it's, it's a real like just broadview of it.
• 29:18
  It's not even 200 pages long, but you read it and you're just
• 29:22
  like, Jesus Christ, What they're doing in Venezuela recently,
• 29:26
  what they're doing in Iran right now is from the playbook that
• 29:29
  they fucking invented in the 40s and 50s.
• 29:32
  It is the same thing. Yeah.
• 29:34
  It's. Exactly the the same thing,
• 29:36
  except for Trump can't keep it quiet.
• 29:39
  He has to pat himself out loud. So, like, what we're seeing now
• 29:42
  is what's been happening for 100 years.
• 29:44
  We just like, it's, it's just that Trump is a loud mount.
• 29:48
  Yeah. Because like Trump.
• 29:49
  Now will be like, oh, yeah, we're going to go in and take
• 29:50
  the oil. But back then, like they would
• 29:52
  have, you know, it was like United Fruit.
• 29:54
  They would like put in like dictators, yeah, Banana
• 29:58
  Republic, like all this stuff. They would have ways of not
• 30:00
  making it obvious. And Trump is just like, yeah, of
• 30:02
  course we're going to take the royal.
• 30:03
  We'll do whatever we want. It'll be huge.
• 30:08
  I love how I love how Danny is we're not talking about someone
• 30:12
  being eaten or we're not talking about like thousands of people
• 30:15
  dying and and Danny is just like sitting here going I hate
• 30:18
  politics. She didn't didn't.
• 30:22
  Respond to a. Trump she is.
• 30:25
  She is listening. And she is learning.
• 30:27
  I am. I'm like reading.
• 30:28
  Along with the. Notes as well.
• 30:30
  So yeah, I mean as well, by the way.
• 30:32
  Just just while we're on the learning thing, because like
• 30:35
  you're, you've been deep in this for, for a while where like
• 30:39
  you've been really interested in this and I've had like a, you
• 30:42
  know, a superficial interest where I'm like, Oh, I know of
• 30:45
  the red scare. I, I know of John McCarthy and
• 30:48
  of McCarthyism. But when I got into this, it
• 30:51
  just sucks you in. Like it drags you in.
• 30:53
  There's so many different kind of like aspects, all the
• 30:56
  players, the most famous. Oh, some big.
• 30:58
  Names pop up, so the guys the. Guys are like involved in
• 31:01
  politics. 70s, eighties, 90s is boring politics compared to 50s
• 31:07
  and 60s, like forties, 50s and 60s American politics.
• 31:10
  The cast of characters in there, yeah, is fucking amazing.
• 31:14
  Yeah, let's get back into it. I don't like this new.
• 31:16
  Season at all. We're getting we're getting back
• 31:21
  into this now where I think like in 50 years time when people
• 31:24
  talk this era, like if if we're around, I think that someone
• 31:28
  said the world is going to end because aliens are coming on
• 31:30
  Easter Sunday. And so, you know, yeah, as long
• 31:33
  as this episode. Comes out before then, no?
• 31:38
  We've got the man eater and then we've got then we've got this
• 31:41
  and the last thing. That people would have heard
• 31:43
  from this podcast before the end of the world.
• 31:45
  Is someone eating someone else's penis?
• 31:48
  So yes, as. They should, which was
• 31:50
  consensual I. Have to say again.
• 31:54
  Uh, the term McCarthyism was coined in 1950, not long after
• 31:58
  the speech. It was about four to five weeks
• 32:01
  after the speech, I think, by a Washington Post cartoonist by
• 32:04
  the name of Herbert Block, and it portrayed it as a bucket of
• 32:07
  mud or shit, because even at that point, McCarthyism had
• 32:11
  become known as mudslinging. It only took a month for the
• 32:14
  term to be coined. If anyone criticized them, they
• 32:17
  were communist or communist sympathizers.
• 32:19
  If he couldn't make a more direct accusation, he accused
• 32:22
  the Tidings Committee of shielding on American traitors,
• 32:25
  a phrase which echoes in accusations over many future
• 32:27
  scares. Members of trade unions were
• 32:29
  seen as communists. So surprise, surprise, it was an
• 32:32
  attack on workers rights for collective bargaining.
• 32:35
  Another attack from the filthy American capitalists.
• 32:40
  Joe clashed with the president constantly.
• 32:43
  He accused Harry Truman of being weak on Russia and communism,
• 32:47
  and Truman accused him of being the best asset the Kremlin has
• 32:50
  because he was constantly sabotaging diplomatic efforts.
• 32:54
  Joe ingratiated himself with who fucking else but the God damn
• 32:58
  Kennedy family. It was always common.
• 33:01
  Is always going to come. Fuck, you're marching through.
• 33:03
  The 1950s and you're like in the Kennedys.
• 33:06
  Where are the Kennedys and all this?
• 33:07
  Well here are the fucking Kennedys.
• 33:10
  Patriarch Joe Kennedy was a virulent anti communist so he
• 33:15
  saw a kindred spirit in Joe McCarthy.
• 33:17
  Joe McCarthy dated 2 of Joe Kennedy's daughters, two
• 33:23
  daughters. How do you?
• 33:26
  Date not one, but two daughters of a man you know I've dated
• 33:30
  sisters. Before, not at the same time
• 33:32
  like, but like a different. You're just like Joe McCarthy.
• 33:34
  Is what you're saying? Yeah, Well, I.
• 33:36
  Have been known to scream at people if I don't get my way so
• 33:41
  my. Brother did that too but one of
• 33:42
  them was my maths teacher in school and she fucking hated me
• 33:46
  but yeah nice. And I'm sure a lot of people are
• 33:50
  asking how did he get in with the Kennedys?
• 33:53
  Now, look, they're both in politics.
• 33:54
  But what it boils down to is they're all Irish fucking
• 33:57
  Catholics. Yeah.
• 33:59
  And we just stick together. That was the connection.
• 34:01
  Yeah. Because it's The funny thing.
• 34:02
  Like he was, he was like, obviously like staunch
• 34:06
  Republican and the Kennedys were Democrats.
• 34:10
  Yeah. Still, because it was that we
• 34:12
  have to work together because Catholics were seeing as I won't
• 34:17
  say they were as as kind of outcasts as Jews or gays or or
• 34:22
  there was a level of. Discrimination against them?
• 34:24
  Yeah, 100% like the. Waspy America and especially the
• 34:27
  guys in power who like are all, you know, Presbyterian.
• 34:31
  They didn't want Catholics coming in because again, this
• 34:34
  was the thing with Kennedy as well, was if the Pope tells you
• 34:38
  to do something, you have to do it as a Catholic.
• 34:40
  So they were afraid that the Pope was going to be able to
• 34:42
  influence politics. They were paranoid for the Pope.
• 34:45
  That's. More paranoia to mirror.
• 34:48
  Today, like we have an American Pope and the American Pope, Pope
• 34:52
  Leo shout. Out to Leo because I.
• 34:54
  Know he listens. I know, I know you listen, Leo
• 34:57
  from Chicago. But I have a Pope who?
• 34:58
  Likes the deep dish pizza? What about Pope in here?
• 35:04
  He's so hot, like. So my friend Michaela is from
• 35:06
  Chicago, and we were just talking about how hot.
• 35:08
  He's so hot. I'm sorry.
• 35:10
  He is. He's really handsome.
• 35:12
  He's a zaddy. Oh.
• 35:13
  My God. Yeah, he's a zaddy.
• 35:14
  He is. He's a papal.
• 35:15
  Zaddy like I'll have to what's interesting.
• 35:18
  About him So like people are paranoid like back then people
• 35:20
  are paranoid. It's like, oh, you know, they
• 35:22
  take their their orders from the Pope.
• 35:24
  So the current vice president is a Catholic.
• 35:26
  Well, he's a fake Catholic. JD Vance, he's a fake Catholic,
• 35:30
  but he's brought with new. Book, by the way, God called
• 35:32
  communion, and it's what he pulled.
• 35:36
  The first. Tweet that he's popping ages
• 35:38
  because like he can't say anything now because again, he
• 35:41
  doesn't want to be associated with this war because he wants
• 35:44
  to be president at some stage and if he wants his mouth,
• 35:46
  everybody jumps on it. But while he's doing the first
• 35:49
  tweet, he's probably in ages and he's a constantly tweeting like,
• 35:52
  you know, his, his absence has been auspicious, but his he
• 35:57
  tweet is that all my new book is coming out and it's about my
• 36:01
  life and how I got redirected back to my my faith and all this
• 36:05
  kind of stuff. And it's all communion and just
• 36:08
  oh, lame. Go look at the.
• 36:10
  Go look at the comments, go look at the retweets, go look at it's
• 36:13
  just he gets all literated like the people are like, and what
• 36:17
  does Catholicism say about murdering children in schools in
• 36:22
  the Middle East? Like, and it's like, Oh my God,
• 36:25
  how does like he's not going to dig himself.
• 36:27
  I would just hold a Trump as well, man.
• 36:28
  No, he's such. A good example of like what I've
• 36:30
  talked about before with like American Crystal fascism, where
• 36:34
  like he is a full throated fascist, but he's like, oh, but
• 36:37
  I go to church on Sunday, I wear a crucifix, I pray to God every
• 36:41
  day and he forgives me because I believe he forgives me.
• 36:44
  And it's complete bullshit. But like, yeah, slipping on
• 36:47
  these. People now.
• 36:48
  Oh absolutely. And like.
• 36:49
  So the what I'm saying is the current Pope, he will often very
• 36:53
  directly like contradict things that American fake Christians
• 36:57
  are saying. And he'll say things like, no,
• 36:59
  we need to, you know, it's lovely neighbor.
• 37:01
  We need to take care of people. We need to look after people who
• 37:04
  are less fortunate than us. Murdering people in schools is
• 37:07
  bad. Like, you know, he will be real
• 37:08
  direct, Yeah, he says. It like straight out yeah, yeah
• 37:12
  and the the. Vatican so I remember when he
• 37:14
  was first elected and it was like, oh fuck, like an American
• 37:17
  Pope, like really? But they nominated him because
• 37:21
  like he is a continuation of Pope Francis.
• 37:23
  He's very left-leaning, like, but like, yeah, the.
• 37:26
  Teachings of. Jesus are very lefty, like let's
• 37:29
  like, you know, that's you look at it like Jesus was a
• 37:32
  socialist, like that's historical.
• 37:34
  Jesus was a socialist. We were talking about this.
• 37:37
  In one of the earlier episodes where it's like all of these,
• 37:40
  like fascist Americans are like, I'm doing it for Jesus.
• 37:43
  It's like Jesus will hate your face you.
• 37:46
  Yeah, Punch. Them all in the face, like, you
• 37:49
  know, historical Jesus is cool. Yeah.
• 37:52
  And so like, you know, Jesus. Is cool.
• 37:57
  That will be our. 1st March. Jesus.
• 38:02
  Jesus. Classical.
• 38:06
  Yeah. So for.
• 38:06
  The first time. In 25 years in America, a
• 38:09
  Republican president was, uh, was elected.
• 38:12
  And McCarthy was active under Republican President Dwight D
• 38:15
  Eisenhower. And good old Dwight disagreed
• 38:18
  with his methods, which was shit slinging, but he agreed with his
• 38:21
  convictions. McCarthy had so much power that
• 38:23
  Eisenhower had to be very careful not to disagree with him
• 38:26
  too much, publicly at least. But their relationships soured
• 38:29
  when McCarthy in a public speech had to go with Eisenhower for
• 38:31
  not doing enough and allowing communist agents to infiltrate
• 38:35
  the CIA. He had turned earned his ire to
• 38:37
  law enforcement. You can't.
• 38:39
  Understand how this makes McCarthy look right now, because
• 38:43
  Eisenhower was beloved, like he, like he was polling so high with
• 38:49
  everybody, like for him to be afraid of Joe McCarthy, which a
• 38:53
  lot of historians now would say, if Eisenhower just nipped this
• 38:57
  in the board, we wouldn't have had the level of McCarthyism
• 39:00
  that we would have had. Because Eisenhower shouldn't
• 39:03
  have been afraid of Joe McCarthy.
• 39:05
  Well, the fact that he was afraid of how popular he was
• 39:08
  says a lot for how fast, how much power he had.
• 39:11
  Yeah, yeah. How fast?
• 39:12
  Joe McCarthy like rose the ranks and got that power.
• 39:15
  So Eisenhower. Repeatedly refused to engage
• 39:17
  with him because Eisenhower said it would just give McCarthy what
• 39:20
  he wanted. And like he said, his favorite
• 39:22
  place was the front page of the newspaper.
• 39:24
  And Eisenhower would be like, no, if I acknowledge him, if I
• 39:27
  slap him down, he's going to get what he wants and he's going to
• 39:30
  come out against me twice as hard.
• 39:32
  And he was just what address half the the shit that would be
• 39:35
  slinged at him by good old Joe, uh, just to.
• 39:37
  Explain how newspapers worked back then.
• 39:40
  Like it's, it's kind of like it's, it's, it's very relevant.
• 39:44
  To talk about the difference, yeah, yes, because.
• 39:46
  Back then, there was kind of laws in situ that would mean to
• 39:50
  say you could only report on the news.
• 39:52
  So front page, you could only say what was said.
• 39:56
  And McCarthy used this to his advantage massively.
• 39:58
  Yeah. Now, when it came down to
• 40:00
  editorials, that's when they refuted everything.
• 40:03
  So like, if you went down and, and as like an editor of a
• 40:06
  newspaper, the owners of newspaper all went out and wrote
• 40:09
  articles about Joe McCarthy, uh, where they were saying, listen,
• 40:13
  all the stuff that he's saying is absolute bollocks.
• 40:16
  No, don't believe any of that. I don't, I, I'm paraphrasing
• 40:18
  now. I doubt that any of these
• 40:19
  Americans knew the word. Bollocks, we're saying that.
• 40:22
  Joe McCarthy is a bollocks. He talks bollocks.
• 40:25
  But the normal Joe Public wasn't reading the editorials on page
• 40:29
  6. He could only read or he only
• 40:32
  was willing to read what was on the front page of the newspaper.
• 40:36
  And the story was what Joe had said.
• 40:39
  And if you read it, a lot of the time that's what it is like.
• 40:43
  So nowadays you can see that like when people are reporting
• 40:46
  on Trump and stuff like that, they'll talk about what he said,
• 40:50
  but they also will tell you that like this is refuted or that is
• 40:54
  refuted or, you know, like they'll go back and they'll kind
• 40:57
  of let you know that everything that he's saying is absolutely
• 41:00
  like, unless it's like a, you know, put pro Republican news
• 41:04
  outlet. But with the newspapers back
• 41:06
  then, because you didn't have the kind of split of left and
• 41:09
  right newspapers, newspapers were newspapers and join.
• 41:11
  They were just down the middle. Exactly so once.
• 41:13
  He got in front of a microphone or he got in front of a
• 41:17
  journalist. Yeah, no matter what he said,
• 41:19
  went to print and it normally went on the front page.
• 41:22
  And that's why Eisenhower was so afraid, because no matter if he
• 41:25
  went up against Joe Joe's mood sling and always landed on the
• 41:30
  front page. And that's what people read.
• 41:32
  And if you read it, you believe it.
• 41:34
  And the. Mudslinging So again, to tie it
• 41:36
  back to modern day, the mudslinging is something that
• 41:39
  Trump and the rest of his regime, it's what they
• 41:41
  specialize in. Because if you look at what
• 41:43
  Trump has used since he came to political power, insults anyone
• 41:47
  he disagrees with, he he comes up with like, you know, personal
• 41:50
  insults. If someone's like, you know,
• 41:51
  husband cheated on him, he'll talk about that.
• 41:54
  If someone like he recently had a go with someone because like
• 41:58
  this guy as a senator who was like very anti Trump, his wife
• 42:02
  died And then like after a period of time, he found a new,
• 42:07
  uh, woman to be with. And Trump was just like, Oh
• 42:09
  yeah, his wife died and he was with that new woman very
• 42:12
  quickly. Class Act.
• 42:13
  Yeah, it's fucking. You know it's a wife buried.
• 42:16
  In a fucking golf course. Yeah, over somewhere with a lot
• 42:19
  of. Secret documents in the country,
• 42:22
  probably. Winkity, Wink by 19. 53 tree
• 42:27
  waves. Yeah, sorry.
• 42:30
  By 1953, Joe McCarthy was drunk with power.
• 42:33
  He was on another committee with 27 year old John F Kennedy.
• 42:40
  Yes. Kennedy is he's you.
• 42:46
  Know. Two parties on a on a committee
• 42:48
  in American politics. That's what you want.
• 42:51
  You know, you've one fella gone, you're from Wexford and he's
• 42:55
  like, ah, fucking Tipperary, you fucking piece of shit.
• 42:59
  We would. Decimate you in the hurling.
• 43:08
  Such a bad game. That's that's a nice joke.
• 43:13
  That's a nice joke, but Joe's behavior was so out of control
• 43:19
  that it ended careers, it sold more paranoia, and it negatively
• 43:23
  affected genuine investigations for decades to come.
• 43:27
  Because what he would do is, like you said, he would see his
• 43:29
  moment to to be the headline, not to make a headline to be the
• 43:33
  headline. And he would just pounce on it.
• 43:35
  And he would, he would like throw these accusations that
• 43:37
  were so outlandish that people couldn't even defend him because
• 43:40
  they were just ludicrous. So there was people who
• 43:42
  resigned. There was people who got fired.
• 43:44
  He ended a load of careers. He ruined lives with thousands.
• 43:49
  It's not even like hundreds, there's thousands of people who
• 43:52
  are affected by this because he was so outspoken and he, he was
• 43:56
  able to make this so widespread that when people started like
• 44:00
  looking around once you were accused of being a Soviet spy or
• 44:04
  even like just a pinky commie, like someone who's don't even
• 44:08
  call them Reds. Like you were red if you were a
• 44:10
  Soviet, but like they called you a pinky.
• 44:13
  As in like you're a half a communist because you're a
• 44:15
  socialist and and you have tendencies.
• 44:19
  Exactly even. If you were just painted with
• 44:20
  that like the the idea of like as I alluded to earlier on with
• 44:24
  the question, are you now or have you ever been a part of the
• 44:28
  Communist Party of America? Yeah, The thing about what is
• 44:31
  there was guys that would have been like, oh, this girl is
• 44:34
  going to a communist meeting or a socialist meeting and I
• 44:39
  fancier. So I'm going to tag along now
• 44:42
  that tagging along just because you want to get your bit of wool
• 44:45
  means that you can now be like, you know, 15 years later you
• 44:50
  could be fired from your job because you went social.
• 44:53
  It was an. Association.
• 44:54
  Yeah, so do who? Whack is that it?
• 44:57
  Wasn't that the committee that he came up with, the House of
• 44:59
  Own American Activities Committee?
• 45:01
  So, yeah. So that's the one they still
• 45:04
  like. Ask those questions if you're is
• 45:06
  it called like the ESTA forum on the ESTA forum?
• 45:09
  When you're going into America, is like, have you ever been part
• 45:11
  of a terrorist organization? Yep.
• 45:15
  Who takes? Yes, exactly.
• 45:17
  The amount? Of times I've looked at that
• 45:19
  form and I've been like. Yeah, would it be funny?
• 45:22
  Or will I be arrested and beaten up?
• 45:25
  Yeah. And it's like, have you ever?
• 45:27
  Been never choose the funny. Option no have.
• 45:29
  You ever been part of the? Communist Party, the Nazi party,
• 45:32
  yeah, like I because I think when was the last time I went
• 45:35
  2015 and they were still asking those questions so yeah but now
• 45:39
  if you. Say that you remember the Nazi
• 45:40
  Party. You just get into like the
• 45:41
  priority queue. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:43
  Basically that's it. You're actually you land in
• 45:47
  Senate, that's what that's what happens if.
• 45:50
  Pete. Egg said current Secretary for
• 45:52
  Defense will not say his gender affirming the title that he
• 45:55
  likes to throw out himself. But like, he has several Nazi
• 46:00
  tattoos. He just doesn't have the overt
• 46:02
  ones, you know, like, he has a bunch of them that you're like,
• 46:05
  oh, yeah. The Nazis really like that
• 46:06
  image. They really like that phrase.
• 46:08
  They really liked that configuration of the cross when
• 46:11
  they were pretending to be Christians.
• 46:12
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:13
  And he just has these big, like, on his chest.
• 46:15
  He has like an iron cross with like 4 order and crosses.
• 46:18
  He has like a Latin phrase tattooed on him that like the
• 46:21
  Germans were fond of as well. Here's some questionable skull
• 46:25
  tattoos. And like, you just listen to the
• 46:27
  shit that comes out of his mouth.
• 46:28
  Like he he is also a product of McCarthyism.
• 46:31
  Like you look at the stuff that he says when he gives a press
• 46:33
  conference. He's a walking dog.
• 46:35
  Whistle. Oh man.
• 46:36
  And like, you can tell by the way he speaks and the things
• 46:39
  that he says, like he thinks he's in an action movie, He
• 46:42
  thinks he's a 1980s action star. Absolute destruction, no woke
• 46:47
  rules of engagement, complete obliteration.
• 46:50
  And it's just like, we get it, your Dick doesn't work.
• 46:54
  Just just take some Viagra and you'll feel better about your
• 46:58
  life. Like totally awesome nudes.
• 46:59
  Nudes. Nudes.
• 47:02
  You're not even wearing a smile. Slutty widows in your area area
• 47:10
  area. Erica.
• 47:12
  Erica. Erica.
• 47:16
  Which have you seen? Have you seen the?
• 47:17
  Drewski stuff, Yeah. Oh.
• 47:19
  My. God fucking funny.
• 47:22
  So good, like, just unreal. And she's like, she's she's
• 47:26
  coming after him now. It's like, why?
• 47:27
  Because he was too accurate. Yeah.
• 47:29
  Just good luck. With that so accurate.
• 47:32
  Like, it was so fucking funny. And then like, we were talking a
• 47:34
  little bit about it earlier in the group chat, but Candace
• 47:37
  Owens, now I can't stand that cunt.
• 47:40
  I really can't. Yeah, I.
• 47:41
  I warm into Candace. I am a little.
• 47:44
  Bit I have, I am, I can't stand her.
• 47:48
  But like every now and again there's something and I'm like,
• 47:50
  go on girl. She's an absolute.
• 47:52
  Chill. Oh, such.
• 47:53
  A chill like yeah, but her. React.
• 47:55
  I do love how like. She, she is.
• 47:58
  She's like a female $0.50. If she's shameless, if she picks
• 48:02
  it, say you're going down perfect.
• 48:04
  Yeah, yeah. That's perfect.
• 48:06
  Basically, it's so she posted a video of her reacting to the
• 48:10
  Drewski Erica Kirk party, and you can tell she's trying not
• 48:14
  to, like, just go far. She's trying to like, yeah.
• 48:18
  She's loving it. And then she's like, oh, here we
• 48:20
  go. We can just basically slash
• 48:22
  God's name on it and it matters. It's it's, you know what I mean?
• 48:26
  It's something else which is a huge thing in America at the
• 48:29
  minute, so that you can just slap your name on it and you
• 48:32
  can't disagree with it like the White House.
• 48:34
  Press Secretary Caroline Levis or Levis, she like, I think it
• 48:39
  was like yesterday, she, she comes out with like the briefing
• 48:42
  room and walks up to the lectern and she's like, I hope you could
• 48:45
  hear that big Amen we gave for our Easter prayers.
• 48:48
  And it's just like the most cringy, performative fake
• 48:53
  Christianity I've ever fucking seen.
• 48:56
  And it's just like no one believes you.
• 48:58
  The only people who believe you are the people who watch AI
• 49:00
  videos on Facebook and believe those.
• 49:02
  So, you know, like the fucking what should they say if the?
• 49:05
  Lord can lead you to it, He could lead you through it, and
• 49:07
  it's like. They're all going to realize
• 49:10
  half dozen the. 16 the other I don't.
• 49:13
  Think people realize now that what's happening in the Middle
• 49:17
  East is going to bring on a fucking Messiah.
• 49:20
  So like we're all like every every single religion is saying
• 49:25
  that guys, Aaron Trump. I hope that that that guy is a
• 49:30
  fucking he's a sleep paralysis demon.
• 49:33
  I don't want Aaron Trump to be my Messiah. 10 feet.
• 49:36
  He's a fucking slender man. But like I love him.
• 49:38
  I do believe, right, that because I look again, I've
• 49:42
  gotten deep into this whole what happens when, you know, the Jews
• 49:47
  return to Zion and the comet rips the sky, all this stuff.
• 49:50
  Yeah. So like it's becoming like a lot
• 49:52
  of end of days stuff is happening right now.
• 49:55
  And I do believe that. The funny thing is like the Jews
• 49:59
  in Tel Aviv, all the ones that are non religious and they think
• 50:03
  that like this war is going to lead them into taking over the
• 50:06
  Middle East. But all the Jews with their
• 50:09
  their ringlets, the Orthodox ones that are, Yeah.
• 50:16
  But respectfully, all of the ZZ Top.
• 50:20
  Looking guys ZZ Top Jews. Are they?
• 50:24
  They hope that Israel gets destroyed because that's what
• 50:28
  they don't believe in. Israel that's they hope it.
• 50:30
  Gets destroyed because that's when their Messiah comes.
• 50:32
  So guys, and when the Messiah comes, all of these fucking
• 50:36
  Americans are going to realize whether if a Messiah does come,
• 50:39
  he doesn't like any of them. Little disclaimer.
• 50:42
  Zionism is a political movement and not a religious movement.
• 50:45
  Yeah, yeah. Always whatever.
• 50:46
  Whatever stops. Me from having to go to work.
• 50:49
  I am behind all of that. I.
• 50:52
  Will take. Any outcome, aliens, wasn't
• 50:55
  that. It's it's Wednesday today.
• 50:57
  Yeah, again, I did say there is talk that on Sunday, eh, there
• 51:02
  is going to be a, there is going to be a Red Star is going to
• 51:07
  appear over the Sphinx and that is going to be a signal that all
• 51:11
  the aliens are going to come out of the the water.
• 51:14
  Makes sense. It's.
• 51:15
  It's the pink full moon tonight. Well, look, it's we're.
• 51:18
  Getting there, a lot of biblical stuff, what's happening right
• 51:19
  now. So there is.
• 51:21
  A US space launch, the Artemis 2 is launched today, so maybe.
• 51:27
  Yeah, well, it's nice. Like they have a window open
• 51:30
  tonight so. That's that's today, yeah.
• 51:33
  So maybe. That's what the comet that'll
• 51:35
  RIP open the sky. There's a lot of solar.
• 51:36
  Flares happening right now, which could kill all of them
• 51:38
  instantly and there's a lot of stuff happening right now guys
• 51:42
  that I I'm I'm not sure for too many.
• 51:44
  Historical events happening right now.
• 51:46
  Numb to it as. Well, at this point, we, we hear
• 51:48
  these things and we're like, OK, like Space Force.
• 51:51
  Is that is that Trump's thing? Yeah.
• 51:54
  That's that's that was. Trump's thing?
• 51:55
  Yeah. If you look at the logo for
• 51:59
  Space Force, what is it? It's the Sphinx's face with a
• 52:03
  star over its head. Fuck off.
• 52:05
  Fuck. Off we're in Revelations.
• 52:08
  People, for one. Welcome.
• 52:18
  Our aunt overlords. I love this.
• 52:20
  Every week. Me and Justy have.
• 52:22
  Like a telepathic link when it comes to Simpsons quotes.
• 52:27
  It's ridiculous. Yeah, there's a few space.
• 52:32
  Force logos and one of them is actually just the sphinx head
• 52:35
  on, like a graphic of the earth facing the sky looking at a star
• 52:39
  or fox sake. And that's what they were
• 52:42
  saying. We said people.
• 52:44
  Going to die. I can't wait though.
• 52:48
  Honestly, I really can't what to die.
• 52:51
  I don't. Want to do it myself?
• 52:53
  Also welcome anything that wants to do it for me.
• 52:56
  You'll just be standing. On your balcony going about
• 52:58
  goddamn time. Yeah, Any listener?
• 53:00
  There who won't be dead, I don't use.
• 53:03
  My door is there time to shine. I.
• 53:05
  Like I'm literally I'm on an antidepressants now.
• 53:06
  It's like my first week on them and I'm still just at a point
• 53:09
  now where I'm like, yeah, why not?
• 53:11
  Like I could go for some death. Sounds good.
• 53:14
  Congratulations. Thanks.
• 53:18
  OK, so back to Joe, I was going to say.
• 53:19
  This is probably a good time to detour.
• 53:21
  We'll we'll talk about that when when we go off the air, we'll
• 53:23
  talk Danny off that ledge. Yeah, she.
• 53:27
  Literally has a ledge. Where I think last week I
• 53:30
  actively wanted to die. I know this week I'm like, I
• 53:34
  could go either way. Which you know, is is.
• 53:36
  I mean, it's an. Improvement.
• 53:38
  I'm like a 60. 40 now like you know it's OK Alex at your own.
• 53:42
  Discretion here if you want to call this suicide talk yeah,
• 53:46
  let's take. Take all the suicide.
• 53:48
  Take the suicide talk out, I say.
• 53:50
  Now I'm. Going to state this right now.
• 53:51
  Alex, don't edit this out. Osheen and Justy are solely
• 53:54
  responsible for my suicide. Jesus.
• 53:57
  Christ, actually, I'm going to own it.
• 53:59
  Fuck it, do. It What are we all doing?
• 54:04
  It it's just like a suicide. I'm not.
• 54:06
  You're. All responsible.
• 54:08
  For my death. Oh, she's only one.
• 54:10
  Here that has something to live for.
• 54:11
  So like, you know, fucking let's let's clear the wife and three.
• 54:15
  Daughters not damn right. OK, in 1954 he flew too close to
• 54:21
  the sun. He went after the US Army.
• 54:24
  He accused the Army of having a Soviet spy ring and when that
• 54:27
  went nowhere he went after one specific guy who was a member of
• 54:30
  the American Labour Party. Again, unions were seen as
• 54:34
  commie. This led to the Army versus
• 54:36
  McCarthy hearings which were televised and he came across as
• 54:40
  a real asshole. He was accused of being reckless
• 54:43
  with his accusations and he was using it all to build his
• 54:45
  profile. The hearings were a fatal blow
• 54:47
  to any ambitions he had beyond senator.
• 54:49
  He was berated on national television in a very heated
• 54:52
  exchange to rapture a suppose from the gallery.
• 54:54
  Now, I've watched these hearings and it is like the difference
• 54:59
  between hearings back then and the more modern hearings like
• 55:02
  the recent ones of Pam Bondi where she's talking about the
• 55:04
  Stock Exchange when she's been asked real questions.
• 55:07
  It's night and day. It's like, you know, you have
• 55:08
  these guys, Who are they? They have the weight of the
• 55:11
  responsibility of running the country on their shoulders.
• 55:13
  And you can hear it in their voice, like they have so much
• 55:15
  like Gravita in their voice, like they have so much meaning
• 55:18
  and everything they say. And McCarthy is like losing an
• 55:21
  argument in these hearings. And and beforehand it was
• 55:24
  agreed. So his lawyer or one of the
• 55:26
  lawyers was a guy called Roy Cohn.
• 55:27
  And the agreement beforehand is that they weren't going to
• 55:31
  mention a particular guy who had been accused of being a
• 55:34
  communist, but it wasn't proven. But he was involved in one of
• 55:36
  the legal companies involved in the case.
• 55:39
  And McCarthy was losing the argument.
• 55:40
  And so he just saw his moment. He's like, oh, fuck this, I'm
• 55:43
  going to bring up this guy. So he names the guy in the
• 55:45
  hearing. Everyone in that moment is just
• 55:47
  like, oh, fuck you, Joe. Like, yeah, it was agreed that
• 55:50
  you're not going after this guy. And the quote which really, this
• 55:55
  was the nail in his coffin where the guy was just like, have you
• 55:58
  no shame? It's.
• 55:59
  Have you left no decency is how he says so.
• 56:03
  So he says that. Have you no decency, Sir?
• 56:05
  Have you left no decency the way?
• 56:08
  Decency. Yeah.
• 56:09
  It's the way that lines. Up it's like, have you no
• 56:12
  decency, Sir? And then he pipes up it before
• 56:15
  like Joe goes to respond and he pipes up again and says, have
• 56:20
  you left no decency? Like he says almost like
• 56:23
  Shakespearean. And it's a way that like the
• 56:26
  opposite side of the kind of jaw of this mood slinging and this
• 56:29
  kind of like the shit stirring all all this kind of stuff that
• 56:33
  that Joe was known for. And this is the complete
• 56:35
  opposite. When he's put in a position
• 56:38
  where the whole world gets to see how uncouth and how would
• 56:41
  how piggish he is and how kind of how much of A bully he was.
• 56:45
  Exactly. And how these guys are the?
• 56:48
  Quorum rules. In that court and the TV cameras
• 56:52
  definitely did not work in his favor and this was this.
• 56:54
  Was watched by like, you know the the way that people talk to
• 56:57
  it it's like every housewife in the country was watching this
• 57:00
  like it was prime time television.
• 57:02
  This is the biggest story you have a. 100 channels.
• 57:06
  You, you had, I think, no, I think at this point you had
• 57:09
  three channels. And because this was
• 57:12
  governmental, judicial stuff, I think all the channels were
• 57:14
  playing it. Yeah, it.
• 57:16
  Was hot stuff yeah, I just. Say, the only time I saw I the
• 57:20
  first time I've ever heard Roy Cohn's name was on The Simpsons.
• 57:27
  A little bit as well, because he is a fucking yeah.
• 57:30
  He's a character. Like a lot of like.
• 57:32
  The names and stuff that like you guys are saying in this
• 57:34
  episode and like, I'm not like very versed on my American
• 57:38
  politics, but growing up watching The Simpsons in the
• 57:40
  90s, you kind of like you just hear all the names and stuff but
• 57:43
  yeah, and the. First thing that popped into.
• 57:45
  My head is like, I think it's, is it like grandpa and Jasper
• 57:48
  and they're like listening to the radio.
• 57:49
  It's like a not little boy grew up to be royal code.
• 57:57
  I just just clicked in my head now I was like, now I know who I
• 57:59
  go, but it's, it's funny. Because like again, as, as we
• 58:03
  said, like we've seen America through the eyes of The Simpsons
• 58:07
  and like all of these references, like like even these
• 58:10
  pop culture references that I didn't get, I probably heard
• 58:13
  first in The Simpsons like, but they had like.
• 58:15
  These kind of references there was a lot like high yeah that
• 58:18
  was snuck into even like, you know McCarthyism jokes is high
• 58:23
  like we. Get into like even in like
• 58:25
  Futurama when they go like again, Nixon was a big part of
• 58:28
  the story that we obviously didn't know.
• 58:29
  But like they they do a whole like Nixon being the president
• 58:33
  because who's who's the funniest president you could get for to
• 58:37
  bring back in the past? It has to be like the biggest
• 58:39
  crook you could possibly get. Like, yeah, you're not a crook.
• 58:46
  But it's it's fun. Like just to get into Raikkonen
• 58:49
  himself here, like so he is kind of the bit.
• 58:52
  Like again, I don't want to derail too much because I know
• 58:54
  we want to keep these episodes a little bit short.
• 58:56
  This is good, but. When?
• 58:57
  McCarty was going after like he, he started off like bit by bit.
• 59:03
  So like going after like civil servants first and like teachers
• 59:07
  and stuff like that. Small.
• 59:08
  Yeah, that's all for. Them.
• 59:08
  And it was. Easy to get teachers and civil
• 59:10
  servants. Next he went into Hollywood and
• 59:15
  like, again, that's an episode in itself.
• 59:17
  Yeah, I understand why you didn't get too much into.
• 59:20
  Yeah, I. Skimmed.
• 59:22
  Yeah, you will get bogged. Down and it's a whole story.
• 59:24
  There's there's a whole thing like even like to go into the
• 59:27
  movies that came out of that, like, you know, The Crucible and
• 59:30
  High Noon and stuff like that, like that were all kind of like
• 59:33
  allegorical for McCarthyism and what was happening at the time.
• 59:37
  Yeah. The dark history of.
• 59:38
  Hollywood could be like an episode in itself.
• 59:41
  I think would be really good to do.
• 59:42
  That might be next. Next week.
• 59:44
  Maybe because we don't have a plan, so I do.
• 59:47
  Really believe that like even just this aspect of it, you
• 59:51
  could do 2 hours on this because this also leads into what they
• 59:55
  call the lavender scare that we were talking about earlier
• 59:58
  onwards. Like if you were a homosexual.
• 1:00:02
  Like everybody who was even like kind of considered gay was like
• 1:00:07
  leaving their jobs because now, yeah, if you were gay, they were
• 1:00:11
  coming for you. If you were a communist, they
• 1:00:13
  were coming for you, Like, And so many people that were in the
• 1:00:16
  arts in Hollywood would have been seen as socialists and and,
• 1:00:21
  and the the fact that they RT types, yeah.
• 1:00:24
  This is the thing they. Wanted to get rid of liberalism
• 1:00:27
  in American politics as well in America.
• 1:00:29
  So like they were trying to cut this all completely out.
• 1:00:33
  And Roy Cohn was someone who was a first he was a lawyer, I
• 1:00:40
  believe for McCarty. And then he became kind of like
• 1:00:44
  his advisor and he became as like right hand man.
• 1:00:46
  This is where like, so Joe found it very easy to, eh, take out
• 1:00:53
  the civil servants and to teachers and people like that
• 1:00:56
  because they were small phrase people who couldn't really fight
• 1:01:00
  back. And when it came to Hollywood,
• 1:01:02
  they kind of forced to hand because you were getting
• 1:01:04
  blacklisted in Hollywood. So when he was accusing all of
• 1:01:08
  these liberals of being communists because that's why
• 1:01:12
  they really just didn't want liberals and they definitely
• 1:01:14
  didn't want like, like there's a whole, there's, there's a whole
• 1:01:18
  series of people that they didn't want.
• 1:01:21
  But the main thing was, was anyone who kind of was opposed
• 1:01:26
  to the Republican Party as what they like, the conservatives,
• 1:01:29
  what they, what they saw America should have been.
• 1:01:32
  And these liberals in Hollywood needed to be taken on a pack or
• 1:01:36
  two. And it was actually kind of easy
• 1:01:38
  to rule out the socialists in Hollywood because there was a
• 1:01:42
  fucking lot of them. Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Where the hubris comes into it is when they challenge the army.
• 1:01:48
  And this is what you went into to hear.
• 1:01:50
  Oh, yeah. But to get us there, I think Roy
• 1:01:53
  Cohen is a very important figure here.
• 1:01:56
  Now. Roy Cohen is the 1° of
• 1:02:00
  separation from McCarthy to Trump.
• 1:02:03
  Yes. Yeah, huge character, yes.
• 1:02:06
  He worked for Trump as well as a lawyer and then as someone who
• 1:02:10
  advised them. So when Trump had just kind of
• 1:02:13
  caught the cord from his dad and became this real estate mogul as
• 1:02:17
  he was calling himself, he started to to get sued by a
• 1:02:21
  bunch of colored. This is what they were they were
• 1:02:24
  calling them at the time. But like black people who when
• 1:02:29
  it came to renting properties, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  What Trump was doing was he was having his people put a little C
• 1:02:35
  beside people who were applying and C stood for colored.
• 1:02:38
  And this was very illegal. So Trump was getting in trouble
• 1:02:41
  for being very racist and keeping black people out of his
• 1:02:47
  his properties. Properties, because he didn't.
• 1:02:49
  Want that, you know, because he's a racist piece of shit that
• 1:02:51
  people don't remember. So Rae Cohen was the only lawyer
• 1:02:55
  who said, I'll fight for you and I'll win.
• 1:02:58
  Trump said, OK, perfect. Because every other lawyer was
• 1:03:00
  like, just settle, settle with these people.
• 1:03:02
  And really, Cohen said, no, we're not.
• 1:03:04
  We're going to tie this open litigation.
• 1:03:06
  And that's what Trump has, kind of.
• 1:03:09
  Like, yeah, that's it. Like so he.
• 1:03:10
  Ties. He ties things open like a
• 1:03:13
  courtrooms for fucking years and years and years until they go
• 1:03:16
  away. But Roy Cohen was the guy who
• 1:03:19
  started him off down this road. But he is also someone who
• 1:03:23
  influenced them. There's people who will say that
• 1:03:25
  Roy Cohen specifically said to Trump, when you're in the public
• 1:03:29
  eye, you need to accuse, attack and attack and be brutal with
• 1:03:33
  it. Never apologize, never admit to
• 1:03:35
  lying. And this is the whole basis of
• 1:03:38
  of Trump right now. So this Cohen guy who worked for
• 1:03:42
  both McCarthy and Trump is this kind of little piece in the
• 1:03:46
  middle, but he's also kind of the downfall of Joe McCarty
• 1:03:50
  because he had an aid. His second name is Shine.
• 1:03:54
  I'm not sure what his first name was.
• 1:03:56
  Again I'm again Swiss cheese shiny Mcshine.
• 1:03:59
  Eh, yeah, he. I think it might have been
• 1:04:01
  Shine, eh, but we call him Shiny McShane, eh?
• 1:04:04
  But this guy was Roy Cohen's aid, Eh?
• 1:04:08
  Not Roy Cohen's AIDS. That's what he did die of, but
• 1:04:11
  eh, it's him. You can probably see where I'm
• 1:04:16
  going here. And so then you don't, you don't
• 1:04:20
  have to be gay to get AIDS, but it does help and it helps right
• 1:04:24
  corner. It's it's a it's kind of
• 1:04:29
  documented that shine corn took a shine to this kid shine.
• 1:04:34
  And when it came to Vietnam, was it, No, couldn't be in Vietnam.
• 1:04:38
  It was Korea. Sorry, Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:41
  Way too ahead of. Myself and there was a draft for
• 1:04:45
  the Korean War. Now Corn, big fan of Shane and
• 1:04:49
  he didn't want Shane to get drafted and he did get drafted.
• 1:04:53
  So Corn went to McCarthy and McCarthy pulled the face and
• 1:04:58
  said you're not allowed and script this guy.
• 1:05:01
  You're not like draft this this kid, he's very important to the
• 1:05:05
  government because he's an aid of my aid.
• 1:05:08
  So AIDS, yeah, two aids. And again, not those AIDS, but
• 1:05:14
  Shine and Cohen, there was a lot of rumors about them to be in a
• 1:05:20
  pretty friendly. Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  So again, this is what we're talking about again with like
• 1:05:23
  the accusational you're throwing accusations, but like every
• 1:05:26
  accusation is a what was it disabled Israel?
• 1:05:29
  Every accusation is a confession.
• 1:05:31
  So like this again, like all these guys to to bring it back
• 1:05:36
  to John McCarthy as well. He was also accused of being gay
• 1:05:41
  or having homosexual tendencies. Yeah, there was a newspaper, Las
• 1:05:46
  Vegas Son, that the owner of the Las Vegas Son wrote loads of
• 1:05:50
  stories about. When?
• 1:05:51
  Oh, yeah. Like, really?
• 1:05:52
  Salacious stuff, yeah, he said. Like he.
• 1:05:54
  Visited gay strip clubs and stuff.
• 1:05:56
  So again, there's that. That kind of stuff was on the
• 1:05:58
  go. But when it came down to this,
• 1:06:01
  the subpoenas that that John McCarthy got and when he was up
• 1:06:08
  in front of the the House, was at the House of the Senate, he
• 1:06:11
  was up in front of he was up in front of the Senate.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah. Because he was he was a senator.
• 1:06:15
  So. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:06:17
  So when he was being challenged about, because he was obviously
• 1:06:21
  challenging the the Army at this stage and like saying horrible
• 1:06:26
  things about like a lot of people, including Eisenhower who
• 1:06:30
  was like, that was the thing that toppled Eisenhower like
• 1:06:33
  and, and swayed was the fact that he was common for like
• 1:06:36
  decorated war heroes. And the war was like 5-6 years
• 1:06:41
  before this was going on. Yeah, not even actually it was a
• 1:06:44
  40 night about any of us. But like it was to a point now
• 1:06:48
  where the whole Army was like, right, we're going to find some
• 1:06:51
  dirt on this fucker because we want to fight fire with fire.
• 1:06:53
  And then they found that he tried to get Shine undrafted
• 1:06:59
  because again, rumors were circulating that Shane and Cohen
• 1:07:04
  had a homosexual relationship. And then this fed into is Joe
• 1:07:08
  also a gay man? But that wasn't what he was.
• 1:07:12
  He was tried for. That was just, again, rumors
• 1:07:14
  were circulating and and we can drag him through the mud a
• 1:07:17
  little bit, but it was the fact that he tried to use his power
• 1:07:21
  to get someone undrafted, this guy.
• 1:07:24
  So this guy. Who was attacking all of these
• 1:07:26
  like telling like a tree? Star generals that they were a
• 1:07:31
  shame to the army and to their country and that they were on
• 1:07:34
  American and then we discover now that he is trying to get
• 1:07:37
  someone undrafted. He was trying to use his power
• 1:07:40
  to get someone out of especially.
• 1:07:43
  You know, you look back to like, you know, his early career, like
• 1:07:45
  when he was first running for eh, for election, he would, he
• 1:07:49
  would throw that shit at someone.
• 1:07:50
  He'd be like, oh, I served my country, but you didn't.
• 1:07:53
  And then he, when he was in the position of power and he had
• 1:07:56
  someone that he could, like, be a patron of, and he was just
• 1:08:01
  like, OK, you know, like, this guy's special.
• 1:08:03
  He doesn't. He doesn't have to go and die in
• 1:08:05
  war. It's the kind of thing that,
• 1:08:06
  like, Creedence Clearwater Revival wrote the song Fortunate
• 1:08:09
  Son about, like, it's about senators son's not getting
• 1:08:13
  drafted, and everyone else becomes the meat grinder.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah. What a song.
• 1:08:17
  I know so good. And.
• 1:08:19
  In June 1954, Joe McCarthy was censored and the accusation
• 1:08:24
  initially was pretty much that he was just a disruptive
• 1:08:27
  bollocks and they didn't actually have specific charges
• 1:08:31
  that they brought against him. But after the process started,
• 1:08:33
  eventually 46 charges were levied against him.
• 1:08:36
  He was found guilty on two of the counts, and while he was
• 1:08:39
  allowed to continue serving as senator, he had been thoroughly
• 1:08:42
  discredited as a paranoid asshole, and he had been
• 1:08:46
  defanged completely. He limped on, still railing
• 1:08:49
  against the Communists and warning that the Reds were at
• 1:08:51
  the door. He was accused of instigating
• 1:08:53
  witch hunts, another notch in the proud American tradition of
• 1:08:56
  hunting witches that don't exist.
• 1:08:58
  And then McCarthy died in May 1957.
• 1:09:02
  Official records at the time said that it was from hepatitis,
• 1:09:07
  but it is now widely accepted that it was the alcoholism that
• 1:09:10
  he had fallen to complicated with a morphine addiction in his
• 1:09:14
  final years. Some people do also speculate
• 1:09:18
  that it was basically suicide by alcohol because the McCarthyism
• 1:09:23
  movement burned brightly from 1950 until 1954 when he was
• 1:09:27
  censured. And then from 54 until 57.
• 1:09:30
  He was at the bottom of the bottle.
• 1:09:32
  Like he stayed in his position. You know, he, he was, he still
• 1:09:35
  like had the job, but he like everyone would just like Joe was
• 1:09:39
  just a paranoid asshole. I'd fucking ignore him.
• 1:09:41
  He was kind of a laughing. Stock at that stage, I think it
• 1:09:44
  was Eisenhower that said McCarthyism had now become
• 1:09:47
  McCarthy was McCarthy was his. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Or wasn't. Yeah, wasn't.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah. And The thing is McCarthy.
• 1:09:54
  Like you said, he was very ambitious man and when he was in
• 1:09:57
  his pump from 1950 until 1954, you know that he was seeing he
• 1:10:02
  was looking at that White House chair and he was looking at the
• 1:10:04
  Oval Office and he's like, you know, because like he was
• 1:10:07
  attacking presidents, he was attacking senators.
• 1:10:09
  He was like his mistake is that he went after the Army and in
• 1:10:13
  America you can't go after the Army and like accused him of
• 1:10:16
  being pink and weak and anti American.
• 1:10:20
  You know, like that you, you can't do that.
• 1:10:22
  It's just it's an instant career death that he might as well have
• 1:10:25
  like. Challenged like apple pie and
• 1:10:27
  Jesus like he was like the most American thing that like and you
• 1:10:32
  can't go up against that and Bruce Springsteen.
• 1:10:35
  I. Love, love a bit of Bruce.
• 1:10:38
  So to conclude, he fits into the What the Fuck is Wrong With
• 1:10:41
  America series because he perpetuated intense paranoia,
• 1:10:44
  love the Witch trial, distrusted his fellow Americans, and was a
• 1:10:48
  massive hypocrite. He expected a form of puritanism
• 1:10:51
  from others when he was a bully and in his final years, an
• 1:10:55
  addict. And that is not to denigrate
• 1:10:57
  addicts, but being an addict is the kind of thing that he would
• 1:11:00
  go after someone mercilessly for.
• 1:11:02
  He would use it as a character flaw.
• 1:11:04
  This lives on through persistent fear of socialism, the satanic
• 1:11:08
  panic, Pearl clutching over video games and metal music,
• 1:11:11
  Islamophobia, and now woke. Woke is the new red Satanic
• 1:11:17
  Panic. Is a really interesting one as
• 1:11:19
  well, like and it's. It's the same playbook.
• 1:11:22
  Like it's just like, you know, Oh yeah.
• 1:11:24
  The they're worried that like all the kids are being badly
• 1:11:27
  influenced by things. Oh, it must be, you know,
• 1:11:29
  Satanic panic. And then that turned into metal
• 1:11:32
  music. It was video games and the teams
• 1:11:35
  that like actually affect all like the youth of America that
• 1:11:38
  like, you know, that lead to like school shootings and all
• 1:11:40
  that. Like it's violence in society.
• 1:11:43
  It's the availability of guns. It's the war mongering from the
• 1:11:47
  top down. You know, it's, it's too much
• 1:11:50
  lead in the water. It's, you know, it's all these
• 1:11:53
  things. It's not metal music.
• 1:11:54
  It's it's not a video game. Wasn't it something?
• 1:11:56
  Stupid. I think it was something like
• 1:11:58
  Dungeons and Dragons or something like that.
• 1:12:01
  Don't do the Dragons. That lead to a satanic panic.
• 1:12:04
  There was some what led. To the.
• 1:12:06
  Satanic Panic, Dungeons and Dragons.
• 1:12:08
  Like, yeah, it's just some fucking.
• 1:12:10
  Crazy it didn't lead to it. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:12:12
  It didn't lead to it, but it was one of those things that like
• 1:12:15
  triggered like housewives. Yeah, because their kids were
• 1:12:21
  now with the playing. Dungeons and Dragons and they're
• 1:12:24
  and they're talking. With demons.
• 1:12:26
  And all that kind of stuff. Yeah, worship and the.
• 1:12:28
  Devil and the. Yeah and yeah.
• 1:12:30
  And it was loads of shit like that.
• 1:12:31
  So the game was like, was it banned just here or was it just
• 1:12:34
  people were just not allowed to buy it?
• 1:12:36
  They were just basically like boycott in this game.
• 1:12:38
  I think it was more of the. Boycott owners.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have.
• 1:12:42
  Been like Ozzy Osbourne and Alice Cooper and stuff at the
• 1:12:44
  time were like get out of our town.
• 1:12:46
  We don't want you to lean into it as.
• 1:12:48
  Well, like kiss for Christ's sake, kiss for seeing us like
• 1:12:51
  and they're like, if you listen to kisses usually pop.
• 1:12:54
  Music, it's like exactly crazy. Like you know, but they.
• 1:12:58
  Were seen as like super Satan because they were like, Oh yeah,
• 1:13:00
  the imagery will freak people out.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah, this is a song. How about how like my Dick is a
• 1:13:05
  gun? Exactly.
• 1:13:07
  Your rumor is Hello Kitty? Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  Yeah, it's even. Like that and you have like the
• 1:13:16
  likes of them, which I think kids look very, very camp.
• 1:13:18
  And then you have like super Catholic imagery, which is
• 1:13:22
  terrifying. Like Catholic, Some Catholic
• 1:13:24
  imagery is so dark and so fucking scary and like the.
• 1:13:29
  KKK get their robes from a particular type of Spanish
• 1:13:34
  Catholicism. Yeah, really.
• 1:13:36
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they get it like I
• 1:13:37
  didn't know that the. Robes.
• 1:13:39
  The the pointed hoods, all that stuff.
• 1:13:42
  There is a particular type of Catholicism that was in Spain
• 1:13:44
  and that was the ceremonial garb.
• 1:13:46
  Was it the Inquisition? There's that they were.
• 1:13:48
  I'm not sure exactly. When but like it is an old an
• 1:13:52
  old tradition. And I think in Spain all the
• 1:13:54
  robes were red and then the KKK were just like, Oh no, we'll
• 1:13:58
  make them white. Red would have been cooler.
• 1:14:00
  Would have been. Cooler if you were red like
• 1:14:02
  anytime now. I think what's ruined not
• 1:14:04
  ruined. I think what's ruined the KKK
• 1:14:06
  for me ruined. Ruined.
• 1:14:09
  Racism for me. No, I'm gonna say like what?
• 1:14:13
  What? Just me.
• 1:14:15
  What makes me laugh so much now is that anytime I see it, it's
• 1:14:18
  that scene from Django Unchained.
• 1:14:20
  That fucking mad We'll. Make room.
• 1:14:24
  Sheets and it's like a shit out of this fucking thing.
• 1:14:26
  It's just like, it's so funny, but it's like, but yeah, that
• 1:14:32
  kind of just pops into my head every time now and I'm just
• 1:14:34
  like, it's, it's really lame. It's really funny.
• 1:14:36
  Just a couple. Of it like the KKK was high open
• 1:14:41
  the Republican Party when all this was happening as well.
• 1:14:43
  So we have to remember. This yeah it.
• 1:14:45
  Is well like there is Oh yeah obviously it is like obviously
• 1:14:48
  it is now like we can we can see it like it's it's kind of out
• 1:14:50
  there but at the time here's here's umm it's a little detour
• 1:14:54
  but it is McCarthy adjacent. So you said yeah, at the his
• 1:14:58
  final years he was addicted to morphine, which this is.
• 1:15:02
  This is one of these like little side tours that I ended up going
• 1:15:06
  down where Joe McCarthy, his dealer, was the head of.
• 1:15:11
  Is it the narcotics? It was the.
• 1:15:15
  Head of like the narcotics like police essentially.
• 1:15:17
  So it's not the. NSA.
• 1:15:19
  So yeah, yeah. So basically the guy who was
• 1:15:21
  pushing the first guy to push the war on drugs in America.
• 1:15:24
  So yeah, this guy and this guy is a member of the KKK as well,
• 1:15:28
  a horrible racist. And the reason why I think it's
• 1:15:31
  it's Harry something or another. He's he's a, he kind of has a
• 1:15:35
  weird name, but if you could, if you could pull it up there and
• 1:15:40
  have a look. So the guy apparently like he
• 1:15:46
  came in And so the guy who's like the in charge of the the
• 1:15:51
  war on drugs in America, Harry Anslinger.
• 1:15:54
  Anslinger. Yes, very good Anslinger.
• 1:15:56
  So, so Harry Anslinger, he came in and was like, Joe, I know
• 1:16:00
  you're on the dope and we got to get you off the dope.
• 1:16:03
  You got to get out, got to get you off the dope, Joe.
• 1:16:06
  Indignantly. He just again, being so Joe
• 1:16:10
  McCarthy just said, whatever you fucking think is going on, it's
• 1:16:14
  not happening. You can't fucking stop me
• 1:16:16
  anyways. I'm going to keep doing what I'm
• 1:16:18
  going to do. You can't stop me.
• 1:16:20
  So then Harry Anslinger was like, OK, well, Joe, listen,
• 1:16:24
  just stop getting it off the streets.
• 1:16:26
  I'll go to a physician and get you hooked up.
• 1:16:30
  So Joe McCarthy's drug dealer was the guy who was in charge of
• 1:16:36
  the war on drugs in America at the time.
• 1:16:39
  So it's like that is such a funny fucking such a funny
• 1:16:45
  detour. But this guy, Harry Anslinger,
• 1:16:48
  again, I'm not going to like if we end up saying like we could
• 1:16:51
  do an episode on every we do fucking 1,000,000 episodes.
• 1:16:53
  But this Harry, yes, Harry Anslinger guy, right?
• 1:16:56
  He he is one of the biggest scumbags I've ever heard of in
• 1:17:01
  my life. So this guy is a member of the
• 1:17:04
  KKK card carrying member and he is a fucking horrible fucker.
• 1:17:10
  So his whole idea, like the reason why he got so interested
• 1:17:14
  in this war on drugs is that he saw drugs as something that like
• 1:17:20
  it was more of a black kind of I think so like especially that we
• 1:17:23
  need. Initially, yeah, it was seen as
• 1:17:25
  the drug of the black. He wanted to crack down.
• 1:17:28
  On jazz. So this is the thing.
• 1:17:30
  He hated jazz. Who doesn't?
• 1:17:32
  You hate jazz? Again, this is.
• 1:17:35
  This is like a covert way of saying I hate black people.
• 1:17:38
  So yeah, it's a dog whistle. Yeah, yes.
• 1:17:41
  So I'm. I'm going to get rid of jazz.
• 1:17:43
  All these jazz musicians are, they're smoking Mary Jane and
• 1:17:47
  you know, like fucking. They're slinging dope and you
• 1:17:50
  know, they're all drunken. Dope addicts who are glue
• 1:17:52
  sniffers. Exactly.
• 1:17:55
  So but what he did to a Billie Holiday is Oh yeah, I've.
• 1:18:00
  Heard about that. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Yeah, so just. For anyone listening, yeah,
• 1:18:03
  Billie Holiday was a known heroin addict, but she had
• 1:18:07
  gotten herself clean. But he needed someone high
• 1:18:11
  profile to have taken down so that he could prove that there
• 1:18:15
  was a drug problem in the liberal arts, but mainly and
• 1:18:20
  jazz music. So he wanted to take down daily
• 1:18:24
  Holiday. She had gotten herself clean.
• 1:18:26
  But what he done was he got himself an operative from his
• 1:18:31
  whatever the DEA. OK.
• 1:18:33
  Is it? Was it the?
• 1:18:34
  I'm not sure the Drug Enforcement Agency.
• 1:18:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I'm not.
• 1:18:37
  Whatever it was. Maybe.
• 1:18:38
  Yeah, the. Equivalent of the time.
• 1:18:39
  So he had himself an agent, a DEA agent who was black and like
• 1:18:44
  jazz. Well, whether?
• 1:18:45
  He did or he didn't. He pretended he did and he
• 1:18:47
  infiltrated and he went in and his sole mission was to find out
• 1:18:54
  like to get Billie Holiday and and like be like we, we need to
• 1:18:58
  find drugs on this, this fucking artist.
• 1:19:01
  So she was fucking clean at the at the time.
• 1:19:04
  So what had happened? He reported back to our buddy
• 1:19:08
  Harry and he said, OK, you need to get her back on the dope.
• 1:19:12
  So now the guy's mission was to go in and get her back on
• 1:19:16
  heroin. So fucked.
• 1:19:18
  He drove her. Fucking mad.
• 1:19:20
  But she still didn't take. She resisted him.
• 1:19:22
  Yeah, yeah, so he was. In there saying like, well maybe
• 1:19:25
  maybe today's the day you want to have some heroin.
• 1:19:26
  Hey, do you want to have some heroin?
• 1:19:27
  I've got some heroin. Would you like some heroin?
• 1:19:29
  He's like good, good black tar. Meow meow, meow, meow, my God.
• 1:19:33
  But. He.
• 1:19:33
  Ends up planting a lot of drugs on her.
• 1:19:35
  Yeah, like she had been to rehab.
• 1:19:37
  So like, which is fucking crazy because like, people don't go to
• 1:19:40
  rehab back in the day. But she did it.
• 1:19:41
  She went through it. She went cold Turkey.
• 1:19:44
  She got off the dope. He planted a lot of heroin on
• 1:19:46
  her. They went in, they busted her
• 1:19:49
  when they ended up trailing her, they're doing drug tests and she
• 1:19:52
  was clean. Yeah, of course.
• 1:19:54
  So when she got it. Was her name was in.
• 1:19:56
  Court already like the damage was being done, the damage was
• 1:20:00
  being done. But again, he, Harry didn't stop
• 1:20:02
  there. So when those charge, those
• 1:20:05
  bogus trumped up charges were over, he sent in the guy again.
• 1:20:09
  So Billy had no idea that dude, yeah same dude, went in and
• 1:20:13
  eventually wore her down, wore her down, wore her down and she
• 1:20:17
  dies of eh complications due to heroin.
• 1:20:22
  And she but she got clean. But he forced like, that's the
• 1:20:25
  scumbag that we're dealing with. And he was supplying Joe
• 1:20:28
  McCarthy with his morphine, his whole war on drugs and his war
• 1:20:33
  on, you know, liberals and jazz musicians, wink, wink, black
• 1:20:38
  people. But the drugs aren't a problem
• 1:20:40
  because he was supplying Joe McCarthy with morphine And like
• 1:20:42
  that's that's. One of those things that like
• 1:20:44
  goes into today, you know, you have fake Christians around
• 1:20:47
  Trump who talk about family values and you know, if anyone
• 1:20:50
  like cheats, it's under wife. They they, well, anyone they
• 1:20:53
  don't like cheats under wife, they have like a big issue with
• 1:20:54
  it. Meanwhile, Trump has cheated on
• 1:20:56
  all four of his wives, including Melania Danny.
• 1:21:01
  There we go. And they just look at him and
• 1:21:04
  they're like, but he's our guy, so it's OK.
• 1:21:07
  And this guy was like, I don't like people who are addicted to
• 1:21:10
  heroin, but Joe is my guy, so I don't mind him.
• 1:21:13
  In fact, I'm going to help him. I'll make sure he gets the clean
• 1:21:16
  morphine so he's not getting any of that dirty stuff that
• 1:21:19
  someone's cooked up in a bathtub.
• 1:21:21
  And the thing about McCarthy, right?
• 1:21:22
  So like, I did like, basically my, what I've written is like
• 1:21:26
  skimming a stone across the pond.
• 1:21:29
  And every paragraph I have is like just a little skip across
• 1:21:32
  there. There is like depth to his
• 1:21:35
  story. Like I would recommend people go
• 1:21:38
  and read his his enemies within speech.
• 1:21:40
  It's it's a really fascinating speech.
• 1:21:43
  I would recommend they watch the footage of the hearings where he
• 1:21:47
  was asked if he, you know, have you no decency?
• 1:21:50
  It's really interesting because like you just see these guys
• 1:21:52
  like they're seething. They're absolutely furious that
• 1:21:56
  he has brought up the name of this like innocent guy.
• 1:21:58
  And the guy is like, can you not just leave this lad alone?
• 1:22:01
  Like basically just going like, what the fuck are you doing?
• 1:22:03
  Like, you know that you're wrong here.
• 1:22:05
  But he felt he was backed into a corner and it was like it was a
• 1:22:09
  real dig up. Stupid kind of a moment where he
• 1:22:11
  was just like he was just kept digging himself a hole there.
• 1:22:15
  He knew. And The thing is like they.
• 1:22:16
  Like pointed out, like, look, you've overstepped the line
• 1:22:18
  here. And because they had a go at
• 1:22:20
  him, his reaction was to like, push back again and he just kept
• 1:22:23
  going. I think the guy's name was
• 1:22:24
  something Fisher, like Fred Fisher or something like that.
• 1:22:27
  And he just kept because he felt he was losing.
• 1:22:30
  He just kept going and going and going.
• 1:22:32
  And I watched a documentary about it.
• 1:22:34
  And like, apparently the guys who were like defending this
• 1:22:37
  kid, they like walked out with a hearing.
• 1:22:39
  Like they took a break or whatever and they all went
• 1:22:41
  outside and as soon as the door closed and the cameras weren't
• 1:22:44
  on them, they all kind of looked at each other and went, that's
• 1:22:46
  exactly what we wanted to happen.
• 1:22:48
  Because McCarthy was a volatile asshole and they knew if they
• 1:22:52
  said certain things, he'd want to be the spotlight.
• 1:22:55
  And so he self sabotaged in a way, like the guys kind of just,
• 1:22:58
  they gave him enough rope to hang himself.
• 1:23:00
  And then he absolutely took it with both hands.
• 1:23:03
  He couldn't fucking help himself because he had, you know, a few
• 1:23:06
  years of having all this power, he was able to like, you know,
• 1:23:10
  sling all this mode at everybody and he was untouchable.
• 1:23:12
  And in this moment, they were just like, he's gone after the
• 1:23:15
  army, he's gone after an innocent kid and now we can
• 1:23:18
  shame him for it. And it's fucking it worked.
• 1:23:21
  It's incredible because like back then, like shaming someone
• 1:23:23
  over bad behavior actually worked.
• 1:23:25
  It was like it was the end of a career.
• 1:23:27
  And now you have American politicians, like the Trump
• 1:23:29
  regime, like all of them. No shame.
• 1:23:32
  Every. Day they they say things that
• 1:23:34
  would be the end of a career in any other decade and now they
• 1:23:38
  say things and it barely registers with a lot of people
• 1:23:41
  that like what they've said is actually massively problematic
• 1:23:44
  and illegal in a lot of cases. Yeah, the war in Iran completely
• 1:23:48
  illegal, like, you know, and every war is illegal.
• 1:23:51
  I know, but like they went in, it's the Iraq playbook again was
• 1:23:54
  like, Oh yeah, weapons of mass destruction and thank Christ
• 1:23:57
  that Europe are just like, we've heard this shit before from
• 1:24:00
  America and we're not fucking buying it again pretty much.
• 1:24:04
  It's funny how. How I couldn't believe it when I
• 1:24:08
  see even just today when it was coming out that France had said
• 1:24:11
  there's no way that they're letting any kind of an American
• 1:24:14
  even fly over their airspace to get there.
• 1:24:17
  That even Britain, who have been discharged as allies of America
• 1:24:20
  have now been like, no way. And if this feels like they have
• 1:24:24
  you no decency left, they were going to let.
• 1:24:27
  Them park planes though, weren't they?
• 1:24:28
  No, no, they're still. Allowing the bases to be used
• 1:24:32
  like, eh, but Britain was trying to say, but it's not the
• 1:24:35
  offensive flights that are going to come through our bases.
• 1:24:39
  But like, they're reloading planes with bombs on British
• 1:24:42
  soil. So like, they are using them for
• 1:24:45
  the offensive part because Britain was trying to say it's
• 1:24:47
  like, oh, no, it's only the defensive maneuvers.
• 1:24:49
  And there is like, you know, campaigners have gotten close to
• 1:24:52
  the airfields. They've taken videos.
• 1:24:53
  And there's like these bombs as big as like Andre the Giant
• 1:24:57
  being loaded onto these fucking planes.
• 1:25:01
  And there's, there's was such a bad 100.
• 1:25:08
  Wrestling reference in today, Yeah, but.
• 1:25:11
  I think like Spain were the first people to be like, we want
• 1:25:14
  absolutely not much, You're not. So they went and I think like
• 1:25:18
  after that, Italy and then France took it up that they were
• 1:25:22
  like, you're not even going to get to use our fucking airspace.
• 1:25:25
  Yeah, that's my. My.
• 1:25:26
  Boy Kim over in North Korea, still still hating everything.
• 1:25:32
  I love him. I don't care.
• 1:25:34
  Just every now and. Again, Kim will say something
• 1:25:35
  where he'll just be like, yeah, what Israel are doing is bad.
• 1:25:38
  I agree. And you're like, what the fuck
• 1:25:41
  is he? What's his queen?
• 1:25:43
  What? What are you doing?
• 1:25:44
  Like what's your angle here? I know.
• 1:25:46
  He's just I like he's, I was saying this to one of the girls
• 1:25:50
  in work who's like she, she knows a bit more about politics
• 1:25:53
  than me, but I'm like, he's like the least crazy Kim.
• 1:25:56
  And she's like, what's the stupidest thing that I've ever
• 1:25:59
  heard? But he actually he's bananas.
• 1:26:01
  Like. He's completely insane.
• 1:26:02
  He's 100%. But I suppose.
• 1:26:04
  He inherited his father's banana isms.
• 1:26:07
  Oh yeah, yeah. He's, he's like, what a guy?
• 1:26:10
  He's a normal kid. Well, kind of.
• 1:26:12
  He was a kind of a normal kid, educated in Europe, became a
• 1:26:14
  supreme. Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  So like, but he played basketball in fucking America.
• 1:26:17
  Like, you know, he's he's friends with Dennis Rodman.
• 1:26:20
  Well, Dennis. He's like I love.
• 1:26:23
  Rodman so much, but the thing I'm like he just doesn't like
• 1:26:28
  he's fucking mental. Obviously he's a fucking crazy
• 1:26:30
  person. Like he had all those people
• 1:26:31
  killed or were like a building of turtles.
• 1:26:34
  But he also is just like not as I.
• 1:26:39
  I think he's as crazy but not as motivated as maybe.
• 1:26:45
  Because he's just. Like, yeah, well, I'm just not
• 1:26:47
  going to do anything about that. But these turtles over here And
• 1:26:51
  like the fact that he was like just basically saying how like
• 1:26:54
  he condemns everything that Israel do all this stuff.
• 1:26:57
  It's like it's just. If you continue this way, you're
• 1:27:01
  going to get very wrong, Ray. Oh no.
• 1:27:06
  I'm. What a fucking.
• 1:27:09
  To. Be alive.
• 1:27:11
  We can't. Even like we don't even have to
• 1:27:12
  edit that out. Because nobody likes.
• 1:27:13
  North Korea, So it's fine I've. Already said it right and I want
• 1:27:17
  to say it again as as a. Non as the only non colonial
• 1:27:22
  white people, we reserve the rights to be able to do accents.
• 1:27:26
  We're not going to be overtly I, we're not going to be overtly
• 1:27:29
  racist. We're just going to do some
• 1:27:31
  accents. The accent, that's whenever
• 1:27:34
  anybody finds out I'm Irish, the first thing to do is to be sure
• 1:27:40
  to be sure to be potato. Potato.
• 1:27:43
  Yeah, so and they always sound like they're doing a Pakistani
• 1:27:46
  accents fucking to do. Derby o'gill.
• 1:27:49
  It's Derby O'gill in the little people.
• 1:27:52
  And it's like top of the morning, Toyo Sir.
• 1:27:54
  It's like it's. Literally it's it's.
• 1:27:56
  Never. It never sounds Irish like it's
• 1:27:58
  always just like so good. It's like your.
• 1:28:05
  Your racist Indian accent is so good.
• 1:28:08
  It's not right. It's too accurate to be right.
• 1:28:10
  Like you said, it's a like Irish people reserve.
• 1:28:12
  To write the right to do an accent you.
• 1:28:14
  Know yeah but it's like anytime any any anyone that is an Irish
• 1:28:18
  that tries to do it it just. Comes out Pakistani like if it
• 1:28:21
  just like yeah, there's like a million more like rabbit holes
• 1:28:24
  you can go down at McCarthyism and.
• 1:28:26
  I like have like just given like the the overview like his last
• 1:28:29
  couple of years, a great job to skipped over the last few years,
• 1:28:33
  yeah. I do think like you've done a
• 1:28:35
  great job to hit. On like the very.
• 1:28:38
  Important stuff yeah And like you kind of leave it open.
• 1:28:42
  I I would say to anybody who actually is interested in this,
• 1:28:45
  there is some stuff out there that will bring you into like
• 1:28:48
  deep dives into certain situations like the.
• 1:28:50
  The Hollywood thing is is 1 even just like the Rosenbergs is a
• 1:28:55
  whole thing. The Rosenbergs isn't a whole
• 1:28:57
  other thing the the. Hearings.
• 1:28:59
  You could do a whole episode. Just on the hearings and
• 1:29:01
  exactly. What it's watching, To be honest
• 1:29:03
  with you, I I listened to a six. Part documentary on Just like as
• 1:29:09
  as I'm as I'm working away and like it dives into like early
• 1:29:13
  and then comes up to the different points and hits it
• 1:29:15
  like. So what you've managed to kind
• 1:29:17
  of concisely put together here is a nice little overview and
• 1:29:22
  abridged version of a very deep story.
• 1:29:26
  And I would say to anybody if you're interested in American
• 1:29:30
  folkery, it's just perfect. Yeah yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Kind of get your tea into this one.
• 1:29:35
  There is like a leads. Up there, as we say.
• 1:29:38
  There is 1° of separation from John Carter to Trump, and it's
• 1:29:43
  perfect. Yeah, it's right there.
• 1:29:45
  Yeah. I think, umm, like the dark
• 1:29:47
  history of Hollywood's that Danny mentioned.
• 1:29:48
  I think that would actually be a.
• 1:29:49
  Really great episode. So that's definitely gonna be
• 1:29:52
  one that will do coming up. And it'll be a nice little nod
• 1:29:55
  to Joey McCarty from Tipperary. Yeah, there's there's a lot to
• 1:30:00
  it. And like you'll see it again
• 1:30:02
  like. Over over the years.
• 1:30:04
  With film and. Stuff how the political climate
• 1:30:06
  does influence film, How film does influence the political
• 1:30:11
  climate as well as yeah, they go hand.
• 1:30:14
  In hand so justy take us home right I I.
• 1:30:19
  Loved I love this one and. And really good because again,
• 1:30:24
  as we see, like Danny's thing is normally like.
• 1:30:27
  Killing. Cannibalism.
• 1:30:29
  Your stuff leads into kind of like the real shit housery of
• 1:30:33
  American politics. And I do the kind of weirder
• 1:30:37
  stuff, but it's it's lovely science fiction.
• 1:30:41
  Airy fairy. Yeah, but I.
• 1:30:45
  I love that, like it. Kind of drives me into like, you
• 1:30:50
  know, learning about this kind of stuff and I really did enjoy
• 1:30:54
  this. And again, I would implore
• 1:30:55
  anybody that wants to get like here a little bit more or, you
• 1:31:00
  know, just find out. Just deep dive into McCarthy
• 1:31:02
  because it is fucked up. But what all that is very
• 1:31:06
  interesting, eh? What all that says?
• 1:31:08
  Big ups to ocean for this. Episode I Absolutely.
• 1:31:11
  Love this and this episode has been produced by Alex Quinn and
• 1:31:18
  his massive hog and I've been I've been Justy.
• 1:31:22
  She's been Danny and leading us today was Ocean.
• 1:31:27
  Thank you for hanging out with us for a spell.
• 1:31:30
  Thanks guys. Bye bye.