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Speaker 1: It's the Gold Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I really should be welcoming myself,
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Speaker 2: and to thank you to Jameson Ferson again for filling
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Speaker 2: in for me so brilliantly while I was recovering. But
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Speaker 2: as I was saying, until I was so rudely interrupted,
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Speaker 2: have I got a pack show for you tonight? The
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Speaker 2: High Price of the band on climbing ularu is Rock,
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Speaker 2: which a Prime minister air brushed out of his speech
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Speaker 2: there on Saturday. Plus more machete incidents in Victoria over
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Speaker 2: the weekend, including one of an NRL Harmony Day meant
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Speaker 2: to tell us our new tribalism is going brilliantly and
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Speaker 2: I do have died week today. This week for the
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Speaker 2: federal opposition leaders is in lee on global warming. Also tonight,
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Speaker 2: the trap closes on Prince Andrew, now facing calls from
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Speaker 2: politicians to be stripped of even the title Prince. But first,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberici today again crawled to a top Chinese leader,
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Speaker 2: the man who last time called our preme miis handsome boy.
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Speaker 2: And it's just the week after a third Chinese attack
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Speaker 2: on our rear force planes. But even that attack couldn't
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Speaker 2: stop Albanizi calling the Premiere his good friend.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, my friend, the Premier. This is
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Speaker 3: our seventh visit engagement on top of our annual leaders meeting,
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Speaker 3: and I do want to acknowledge the very warm welcome
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Speaker 3: that I received in China just a few months ago.
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Speaker 2: But while Albanizi was groveling for the seventh time to
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Speaker 2: China at the asy ON Leaders meeting in Malaysia, he
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Speaker 2: wasn't at home trying to make good as Dodgy promised
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Speaker 2: last week to Donald Trump, to help defend the US
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Speaker 2: from China, promises I reckon he can't keep. But let's
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Speaker 2: start with our Niezi's meeting today with the Chinese Premier.
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Speaker 2: The message of China is it's bullying works, it shuts
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Speaker 2: us up. Eight days ago, timed perfectly, a Chinese fighter
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Speaker 2: dumped anti missile schaft right in front of an Australian
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Speaker 2: ard surveillance plane in international waters over the South China Sea,
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Speaker 2: which China is trying to steal. Now, that is actually
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Speaker 2: a dangerous move that China has done twice before to
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Speaker 2: our P eight planes three years ago in maneuver that
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Speaker 2: could have brought down that plane, and again just last February,
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Speaker 2: and of course in February the Chinese communists the Statorship
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Speaker 2: also sent three of its naval ships to sail around Australia,
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Speaker 2: firing guns without warning, including under a busy flight path
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Speaker 2: from Sydney, and that forced forty nine planes to divert.
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Speaker 2: What did Albanesi say about at least the last week's attack.
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Speaker 2: What did he say to this smiling Chinese premiere today, Well,
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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. In public, it was all about you know,
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Speaker 2: we're friends, and also about climate change. You know that
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Speaker 2: rot that's making us weaker while China gets stronger.
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Speaker 3: We have much shares traded, a climate chains, purple links, tourism,
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Speaker 3: our the continued continues to drive our highlight or engagements.
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Speaker 4: We've seen an upward momentum in our relationship and we
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Speaker 4: welcome it.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, China's going to learn the obvious lesson threats work.
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Speaker 2: This governor is so weak and so dependent on our
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Speaker 2: experts to China that Albany's is just going to take
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Speaker 2: it and still called China's leader's friend. Now. Talking to
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Speaker 2: Jonas afterwards, Albanizi said, oh, no, no, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: mention that Chinese attack in private, but it wouldn't even
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Speaker 2: say if the Chinese premier had taken a blind bit
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Speaker 2: of notice and he played it all down, what did
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Speaker 2: you say?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I raised him to call him friend.
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Speaker 2: How do you marry calling the premier league friend when
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Speaker 2: China is firing flares at Australian rap aircraft.
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Speaker 3: Well, we have disagreements and friends are able to discuss issues. Frankly,
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Speaker 3: I did that. I did that directly.
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Speaker 5: How did a premier respond.
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Speaker 3: Well, he heard the message very directly. I'm not here
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Speaker 3: to report in on what meetings, that on what people
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Speaker 3: say when I have meetings.
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Speaker 6: You've said that Jijinping has given you no reason not
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Speaker 6: to trust him when there is an incident which is
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Speaker 6: dangerous and u professional, as your government says with this flare.
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Speaker 5: Is that not such a reason or doesn't make it
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Speaker 5: harder to trust?
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Speaker 3: No, that's a nation the nation issue. We raise very directly.
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Speaker 3: What I've said, very clearly in that context, very clearly
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Speaker 3: and explicitly, is anything that President she has said to
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Speaker 3: me has occurred.
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Speaker 2: I know we're still friends.
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Speaker 5: We're just friends.
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Speaker 2: As the man trying to cover his black eye. Incidentally,
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Speaker 2: yesterday again in the South China, see a US fighter
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Speaker 2: jet and a helicopter from the US aircraft carrier Limits
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Speaker 2: crashed into the sea within thirty minutes of each other,
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Speaker 2: separate incidents. No suggestion yet these were anything more than accidents.
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Speaker 2: They are being investigated. It's interesting now, you might say,
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Speaker 2: it is understandable if Albin Easy doesn't make a big
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Speaker 2: deal of Chinese aggression against this, I mean a lot
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Speaker 2: of trade at stake. Makes sense to keep Chinese dictatorship
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Speaker 2: sweet with sweet words. But to meanwhile, of course, prepare
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Speaker 2: for war. And I guess that's what Japan's Margaret Thatcher,
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Speaker 2: It's new prime ministers sane she seemed to be hoping
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Speaker 2: for when she bustled into her own meeting last night
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Speaker 2: with Albanizi, hoping to get him to form closer defense
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Speaker 2: ties with Australia against the China threat and help keep
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Speaker 2: the shipping lanes free. Albanzi was publicly noncommittal, just made
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Speaker 2: polite noises to China's traditional enemy.
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Speaker 3: We both stand up for freedom in the Pacific and
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Speaker 3: in our.
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Speaker 2: Region, stand up for freedom. With what I mean. Australia
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Speaker 2: is now so short of weapons, ammunitions and soldiers that
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Speaker 2: do you know how many of those soldiers Albanizi will
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Speaker 2: now send to help the US impose Donald Trump's peace
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Speaker 2: plan on the Hamas terraces who've been attacking Israel. One
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Speaker 2: one single liaison officer. We didn't even have a frigate
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Speaker 2: to spare to track those Chinese naval ships that went
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Speaker 2: around Australia. How the defense forces said, it's so strapped
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Speaker 2: of cash it's being gutted to pay for nuclear submarines
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Speaker 2: that will come next decade. That army reservists have had
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Speaker 2: training days slashed by a quarter, and there's been all
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Speaker 2: sorts of other cuts. Now, I said at the start
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Speaker 2: his Albanizi's sucking up to China. But what about delivering
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Speaker 2: at home on the big promises is made to Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: the US President, to defend the US from China. You see,
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Speaker 2: alban Eazy last week was treated like a hero at
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Speaker 2: least here for getting Trump to call him a friend
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Speaker 2: at their meeting. And the reason he put a smile
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Speaker 2: on Trump's style was that he made him promises. I
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Speaker 2: think he'll actually struggle to keep the In particular, Albanies
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Speaker 2: have promised to let America have access to Australia's rare earths.
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Speaker 2: Would even spend a billion dollars US to process them.
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Speaker 2: Here rarers that are critical, particularly in the defense industry.
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Speaker 2: Newtake America's F thirty five fighter instance. It needs those
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Speaker 2: rare earths for its radar, for its stealth covering, for
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Speaker 2: its cockpit displays, for its targeting, and so much more.
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Speaker 2: But the crazy thing is that the sleepy West has
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Speaker 2: let China for three decades corner the market in mining
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Speaker 2: and processing exactly those rare earths, and China is now
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Speaker 2: putting export controls on them, and Trump is looking around
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Speaker 2: for alternative suppliers and got it into his head apparently
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Speaker 2: last week that is deal with Albanezy meant that he'd
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Speaker 2: have those rare earths from Australia in a year or so.
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Speaker 2: And about a year from now, we'll have so much
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Speaker 2: critical mineral and rarers that you won't know what to
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Speaker 2: do with them now. Maybe, of course he was joking,
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Speaker 2: but you see, getting any mine off the ground in
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Speaker 2: Australia takes more than a year. It takes many years.
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Speaker 2: And that's just for a start. The Danny coal mine
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Speaker 2: took nine years just to get government approved. And then
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Speaker 2: there's this, This is what one of China's rare earth's
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Speaker 2: mines and processing centers looks like you see. That's because
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Speaker 2: to produce rare earths, you'd only end up with massive
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Speaker 2: amounts of radioactive and acidic waste, as well as big
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Speaker 2: holes in the ground. And China doesn't care about all that,
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Speaker 2: which is exactly why it is the world's leader in
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Speaker 2: this stuff, because other countries short do and let China
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Speaker 2: do it, and we share care too our much chance
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Speaker 2: of a quick approval of that. The other reason that
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Speaker 2: China is the world's leader in this stuff is that
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Speaker 2: producing rare earths also requires massive amounts of power, often
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Speaker 2: double what you'd need for making the same amount of
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Speaker 2: steel or iron. Can you imagine now? China has plenty
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Speaker 2: of electricity because it keeps building lots and lots more
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Speaker 2: Kulfi power stations while we are closing our own. China's
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Speaker 2: gas and ultricy also cheap ours, as you well know,
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Speaker 2: is very definitely not so. How is Anthony albody's going
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Speaker 2: to give Trump the rare earth this US present seems
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Speaker 2: to expect quick smart against China. When's he actually going
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Speaker 2: to be home again to make sure Australia really can
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Speaker 2: help our allies stand up to China. When's it going
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Speaker 2: to be here and not just crawling overseas standing tall
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Speaker 2: at home? I reckon it's just about do a day
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Speaker 2: week this week for Susan Lee. On Friday, the opposition
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Speaker 2: leader's MPs are going to have a briefing or a
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Speaker 2: showdown on the party's target, which is also the Labor target,
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Speaker 2: to cut Australia's emissions to the net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: The polls actually show that most Liberal voters are strongly
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Speaker 2: against that, Most National MPs are against that, Many Liberal
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Speaker 2: MPs are against it, and the costs of even trying
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Speaker 2: to slash our emissions that much are horrific. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you look already at your powerbills, You look at the
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Speaker 2: heavy industries and putting out of business, you look at
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Speaker 2: the buildings who are wasting on doud green schemes like
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Speaker 2: green hudge, and just today airlines warning that tickets are
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Speaker 2: going to cost more than thirteen hundred dollars more on
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Speaker 2: average by twenty fifty if they have to use green fuel,
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Speaker 2: and all this pain when it's the former Chief Scientists
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Speaker 2: admitted Australia couldn't make any measurable difference to the climate anybate,
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Speaker 2: we're too small. Yet still, this issue is going to
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Speaker 2: split the liberals because on the one hand, there are
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Speaker 2: our MPs who see, yes, there is horrific damage being
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Speaker 2: done to our economy. But on the other hand, there
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Speaker 2: are MPs, especially in Victoria, who are terrified that they'll
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Speaker 2: lose their seats if they oppose that zero because so
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Speaker 2: many Australians believe in the warming scare. Now note that,
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Speaker 2: really carefully. Almost every liberal I've heard saying that Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee should stick with this net zero target says they
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Speaker 2: want that because it's popular. Net zero is popular, and
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Speaker 2: not because it's a great policy is going to make
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Speaker 2: great difference of the climate won't cost me. They don't
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Speaker 2: say that, you take the obscure Liberal sender Andrew McLachlin
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Speaker 2: in the last week posted this story on its website
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Speaker 2: about himself, saying the push to dump climate targets was
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Speaker 2: out of touch with the voters, business, leeds, international markets.
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Speaker 2: Nowhere did he say that cutting our emissions that hard
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Speaker 2: was actually good for our economy and would stop hurricanes,
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Speaker 2: fires and floods, because as you know, they will not.
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Speaker 2: So this isn't an argument between liberal moderates and the
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Speaker 2: liberal rights. It's actually between liberals too scared to speak
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Speaker 2: the truth and liberals who know they must. And to me,
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Speaker 2: there's only one compromise. The liberals should insist on costphus's
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Speaker 2: benefit of green scheme. Is it going to cut the
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Speaker 2: temperature but it will cost a lot, then don't do it.
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Speaker 2: If ruining, who's going to ruin the landscape with wind towels?
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Speaker 2: But asn't lower temperatures, don't do it cost versus benefits
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Speaker 2: lower emissions. Yes, by all means that's playing it safe,
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Speaker 2: but do it only in ways that don't cause more
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Speaker 2: harm than good. Joining me is the political panel Michael
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Speaker 2: Kroger for motoring Liberal President Steve Conroy, former Labor senator
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Speaker 2: and Cabinet minister. Michael, good to see you both. In fact,
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Speaker 2: what should Susan to see you back? Thanks to you both.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to you both, Michael. What do you reckon Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee should do or will do?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 1: Andrew I put it in this context. When Labor opposed
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Speaker 1: boat turnbacks for years and years and years and then relented,
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Speaker 1: people thought that's very odd. They they didn't have credibility.
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Speaker 1: Don't think we opposed nuclear for the nine years we're
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Speaker 1: in government from from thirteen to twenty two, and then
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Speaker 1: how to come to Jesus and decided we're actually in
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Speaker 1: favor of nuclear power, and people thought, but you've done
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Speaker 1: nothing for nine years in government. So fast forward today,
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Speaker 1: we've been supporting net zero four years originated. Its supported
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Speaker 1: back to through various elections. Now we're saying to people
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Speaker 1: on a that was we don't believe that anymore now.
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Speaker 1: Of course, international situations have changed, both with nuclear and
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Speaker 1: with net zero, But it's hard to sustain an argument
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Speaker 1: that we're now opposed in net zero as a given
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Speaker 1: that we've been in favor of it so long. The
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Speaker 1: electric thinks, what are we to make of these people?
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Speaker 1: They change their minds all the time on these major issues.
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Speaker 1: So I think the answer is to keep everybody happy
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Speaker 1: and to have a credible policy. You remain in favor
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Speaker 1: of it as a target, not as a legislative target,
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Speaker 1: as you said, as a target, but you limit the
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Speaker 1: cost of it. You say, given that's going to make
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Speaker 1: no difference to the climate, it's going to do immense
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Speaker 1: damage to our country. There is a dollar cap on
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Speaker 1: what we're prepared to spend on this. If you go
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Speaker 1: over it. Well, it's going to win creudse some missions
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Speaker 1: because we're not spinning anymore. And don't forget the coal
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Speaker 1: that you have to fight this argument alone. You know,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't able to win the nuclear argument. We can't
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Speaker 1: rely on the BCA or the business community. It's just
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Speaker 1: basically Dan Teene and a couple of spakes. People've got
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Speaker 1: to win this argument against something that we helped make
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Speaker 1: a religion in this country because we supported it for
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Speaker 1: so long.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, Yeah, But the point is, isn't it, Stephen, That
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Speaker 2: they can argue all they like against it now, But
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Speaker 2: the fact is a lot of them won't argue with conviction,
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Speaker 2: and I think it's an argument you can only win
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Speaker 2: with conviction. Here's the problem. They're going to be torn
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Speaker 2: to pieces, aren't they.
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Speaker 5: Look I think they got real chant.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think Michael gave some very wise counsel
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Speaker 7: there about how to try and position yourself credibly going forward,
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Speaker 7: and you've got to change your mind. I mean, we
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Speaker 7: had to go through a and ALP national conference. We
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Speaker 7: had to win an argument against the opponents, so we
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Speaker 7: were able to regain some credibility on this and the
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Speaker 7: real challenge for Susan Leigh is to your point, demonstrate
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Speaker 7: the position now in parliament. The one thing I disagree
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Speaker 7: with Michael about it's in parliament you don't get to hide.
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Speaker 7: The first thing that Labor would do is to put
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Speaker 7: a bill on the floor of Parliament saying legislatively, here's
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Speaker 7: the position twenty thirty five, and the Liberals on the
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Speaker 7: floor of Parliament would be forced to vote yes or no,
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Speaker 7: So saying you believe in a target and not legislation
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Speaker 7: and then voting down legislation. Trust me, this is going
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Speaker 7: to be a very hard thing to sell. I mean
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Speaker 7: a lot of wise counselor from Michael are but Labor
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Speaker 7: won't let the coalition away with taking that sort of
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Speaker 7: you know, for it we're against it, or for it
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Speaker 7: against will force.
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Speaker 5: A choice on the floor of Parliament.
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Speaker 2: I tend to agree. I mean, it's like trying to
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Speaker 2: do a yes but no, or maybe it's a no
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Speaker 2: but yes, and ending up people not sure of which
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Speaker 2: side they're trying to full. Michael, I mean, you can
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Speaker 2: only do it with conviction, and I think to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: we're in favor of it in principle, because the world's
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Speaker 2: going to hell and it's going to burn and our
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Speaker 2: children will all day, but we're not going to do
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Speaker 2: much about it. I think it's just a argument, don't
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Speaker 2: you think.
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Speaker 1: But most people are in favor of net zero because
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Speaker 1: there's been bipartisan support for it. We've been saying how
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Speaker 1: good it is for you, Ok, they're we're both in provd.
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Speaker 1: Now we're saying no, no, we got that completely wrong,
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Speaker 1: and international circumstances change, other countries have don't begain So
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Speaker 1: now we're completely changing our mind. It's like, really, how
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Speaker 1: credible is that? So I think you say you're in
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Speaker 1: favor of in principle, you vote against the bill, by
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Speaker 1: the way, but you've got to say there's an economic
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Speaker 1: cost and we're not allowed and Chris Bowen, given his
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Speaker 1: extraordinary success as a Minister of the Crown over so
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Speaker 1: many years, we're not giving Chris Bowen a blank check
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Speaker 1: to spend whatever he wants on this. And do you
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Speaker 1: think I mean, people are in favor in at zero.
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Speaker 1: But if you said, are you also in favor of
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Speaker 1: there being a cap on how much is spent by
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Speaker 1: the commonworth government? People would say, yeah, we're in favor
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Speaker 1: of that too. So I think that's sort of a
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Speaker 1: central compromise. I just think it's hard for the coalition
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Speaker 1: to win arguments when when they've said they're in favor
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Speaker 1: of something, now were against it, we're against nuclear, then
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Speaker 1: we're in favor of it. It's like people think, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's very hard to change your position. You've
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Speaker 1: got and you want to win arguments on the environment.
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Speaker 1: I think we better to focus on other arguments. Wouldn't
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Speaker 1: it be to the next election rather than that zero
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Speaker 1: Maybe something that that's very well.
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Speaker 2: But it's all very well that if Stephen said you
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Speaker 2: can't hide from this argument, that it will be shoved
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Speaker 2: in your face. Stephen the premise of today called the
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Speaker 2: Chinese premiere his friend and said nothing to publicly about
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Speaker 2: China's air force threatening one of our planes again a
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Speaker 2: week ago. Was that sensible of for him?
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Speaker 5: Look, it's called diplomacy. Okay.
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Speaker 7: So Albo goes to the US and Donald Trump calls
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Speaker 7: him a friend. Does anyone really believe it?
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Speaker 5: No, of course not. It's diplomacy.
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Speaker 7: Alba goes to China or meets with the Premiere of China,
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Speaker 7: They have a conversation, They have a private conversation, which
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Speaker 7: is the normal weight of these things are put. We've
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Speaker 7: said publicly it was unsafe behavior, We've criticized it publicly.
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Speaker 7: But when you're face to face as degrees of when
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Speaker 7: to escalate, Now, I'm not going to say I know
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Speaker 7: all the details and pretend to pass judgment, but the
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Speaker 7: normal ways to raise it face to face. He's been
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Speaker 7: accused in the past of being unwilling to raise issues
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Speaker 7: face to face. Well, he said I raised it. But
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Speaker 7: does that mean you then start slugging out at a
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Speaker 7: press conference for the for the media's fun.
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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not. He is steering the middle.
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Speaker 2: Even let me just say, let me just say, you
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Speaker 2: have just given me more reason to believe something that
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson raiser onside is yesterday this allegation that you
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Speaker 2: were being considered by the Deputy Prime Minister to replace
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Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd after Donald Trump said that he hated it. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is before Donald Trump said he hated him for
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Speaker 2: insulting him in the past. This is Sarah Henderson never
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Speaker 2: listened to this.
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Speaker 8: I have been told on very reliable sources that Richard Marles,
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Speaker 8: the Minister Defense and the Deputy Prime Minister, met with
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Speaker 8: a Minister for Trade Don Farrell last November and discussed
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Speaker 8: replacing Kevin Rudd as ambassador, and their preferred candidate was
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Speaker 8: Stephen Conroy.
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Speaker 2: If she seems to have good mail there, Stephen, I
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Speaker 2: know that I've considered you for Australia's ambassador.
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Speaker 5: Is a true look, I promise you hand on heart.
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Speaker 7: I have never been approached by anybody to be I mean,
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Speaker 7: if you remember when this all first started, before Brudd
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Speaker 7: was appointed, I ruled myself out and Andrew.
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Speaker 5: I know you've not been on the.
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Speaker 7: Show for a while, but if if you troll through
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Speaker 7: my commentary on Donald Trump, I've probably been a little
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Speaker 7: more publicly critical of Donald Trump than Kevin.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, I simply mister President. That was before
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Speaker 1: I was supported Ambassador.
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Speaker 2: It's exactly correct. Michael Conroy. Thank you very much, Ambassador Conroy.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: For Ambassador Conroy about excellent Ambassador.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. After the breakers startling court case involving a
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Speaker 2: prominent Muslim lawyer and a warning the evidence may be
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Speaker 2: too sexually graphic for your children to hear, so maybe
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Speaker 2: this is the time to send them into the kitchen
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Speaker 2: now before it gets to that legal election. In Sydney
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Speaker 2: last Saturday, the Prime minister flew to Olaru as Rock
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Speaker 2: to mark the forty years since it was handed over
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Speaker 2: to Aboriginal ownership, and he said this.
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Speaker 3: Niananu responded by choosing to share it with all of us.
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Speaker 3: Tourists flocked to it, rangers care for it.
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Speaker 9: All.
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Speaker 3: Australians are welcome here.
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Speaker 2: Now, Sandley, that is not quite true. Australians are in
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Speaker 2: fact banned from visiting the local Aboriginal town, which Julu,
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Speaker 2: and since late twenty nineteen they've also been banned from
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Speaker 2: climbing the rock, even though in nineteen seventy five and
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Speaker 2: a n Ango elder Tony Naninger told the ABC that
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Speaker 2: tourists were welcome to climb everywhere except one men's initiation
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Speaker 2: cave that he wanted closed. Do you mind tourists go
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Speaker 2: go anywhere else?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: Anywhere anywhere else is all right, but not here.
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Speaker 2: Are you Look at visitor numbers since the ban and
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Speaker 2: the pandemic lockdown that followed. Even today, tourism numbers are
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Speaker 2: way down, mostly international tourists. That is, Various reasons are given,
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Speaker 2: but going all that way and not being able to
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Speaker 2: climb the rock is one of them. And given that
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Speaker 2: the workers of which a Julie depend almost entirely on
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Speaker 2: the tourism industry as well as government funding. Of course,
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Speaker 2: that sure costs.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned a moment ago, I covered then interesting
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Speaker 2: story legal story earlier todayble to report a Carol Marcus,
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Speaker 2: and I must warn you some viewers may find the
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Speaker 2: graphic nature of this report offensive. Adam Hurder, the prominent
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Speaker 2: Muslim lawyer well he was in the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Civilian and Mistery Tribunal today, is being sued by a
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Speaker 2: former intern of his, Hannasarafim, who accuses him of sexually
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Speaker 2: harassing and victimized her, which who denies. Joining me Scanian's
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Speaker 2: presenter and reporter Caroline Marcus. Caroline, who is this Adam Hooder?
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Speaker 2: I mean you and I know him will, but to
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Speaker 2: just explain it and why is he so prominent?
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Speaker 11: Adam Hooter Andrew is a high profile Sydney criminal defense
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Speaker 11: lawyer and many people in Sydney might be familiar with
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Speaker 11: him because he's had a whole host of high profile
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Speaker 11: criminals that he's represented, and among the most notorious have
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Speaker 11: been the Islamic State jahadists, Karlored Sharuf and Mohammad Alama.
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Speaker 11: He's also represented man Haron Monas before the gunman carried
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Speaker 11: out his fatal Lint Cafe siege. This was back when
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Speaker 11: mister Monas was charged with sending abusive letters to the
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Speaker 11: families of Australian soldiers who had fought in Afghanistan. Mister
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Speaker 11: Hooda is a a lawyer who has described himself as
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Speaker 11: being of devout Muslim faith and he's represented many Islamic
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Speaker 11: clients and that's a relevant aspect to this case for
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Speaker 11: reasons that I'll go into a bit later.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the allegations against him. What's being
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Speaker 2: alleged specifically, Well, his.
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Speaker 11: Accuser is a woman by the name of Hannah Seraphim.
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Speaker 11: She's a lawyer herself now, but back when the alleged
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Speaker 11: conduct is said to have taken place, she was an
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Speaker 11: intern doing work experience at mister Hood's Sydney firm Lawyer's
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Speaker 11: Corps that started that stint back in late twenty twenty.
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Speaker 11: The most serious of the allegations of sexual harassment and
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Speaker 11: victimization that she's made against mister Hooter is that back
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Speaker 11: in February twenty twenty one, in a boardroom in his firm,
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Speaker 11: he did the following she asked her to give him
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Speaker 11: a blowjob, pulled up her dress, put his hand on
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Speaker 11: her buttock and said something to the effect that's what
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Speaker 11: I wanted to see, and then placed her hand on
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Speaker 11: his penis, both inside and outside his pants. She also
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Speaker 11: alleged while in the lifts after that incident, he reaches
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Speaker 11: out and presses his finger into her vaginal area. Now
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Speaker 11: I know these are very graphic details, Andrew, and quite
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Speaker 11: explosive the allegations against him, which also include that weeks
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Speaker 11: before this alleged conduct in the boardroom and lift was
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Speaker 11: to have taken place, mister Hooda is accused of asking
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Speaker 11: her to sign an Islamic marriage contract. Exactly why hasn't
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Speaker 11: been made clear yet. In this hearing, Miss Seraphim said
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Speaker 11: that this sexual conduct in the workplace had been very
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Speaker 11: much unwanted, even though the pair had had a consensual
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Speaker 11: sexual relationship since she began the internship, and when she
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Speaker 11: had raised her concerns about it with him and disclosed
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Speaker 11: this to others, she said that her position was terminated
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Speaker 11: and her professional opportunities with others was also limited by
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Speaker 11: mister Houter.
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Speaker 2: And what been what has been his response?
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Speaker 11: Well, mister Houter has categorically denied the allegations of sexual
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Speaker 11: harassment and victimization and said that sexual conduct consensual or
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Speaker 11: otherwise never took place in the workplace. He said it
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Speaker 11: would not be in his part of his Islamic faith
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Speaker 11: to do that, his lawyer said, to engage in that
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Speaker 11: kind of sexual activity in public. Jodie Steele Sse, his barrister,
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Speaker 11: also claimed it was her client, mister Houdo, who was harassed.
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Speaker 11: She cited sexually graphic messages that Hannah Seraphim had sent
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Speaker 11: to him and said that her accusations are a case
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Speaker 11: of blackmail because mister Hooter would not allow the young
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Speaker 11: woman to continue working in a voluntary capacity for him,
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Speaker 11: which had been her dream job. Miss dil sc said
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Speaker 11: this is not a case of young, a young, sexually
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Speaker 11: inexperienced woman being taken advantage of by a criminal lawyer.
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Speaker 11: It is in fact the opposite. This is in fact
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Speaker 11: a sexually experienced, mature woman and the evidence will show
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Speaker 11: she knew exactly what she was doing.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 11: It has been part of this case that Miss Seraphim
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Speaker 11: was formerly, before that internship, a legal sex worker and stripper.
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Speaker 11: Mister Hooter claims he actually terminated her placement with him
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Speaker 11: because an ex client had told him that Miss Seraphim
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Speaker 11: had provided cocaine to an outlaw motorcycle gang. He'd also
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Speaker 11: been concerned, apparently that she had not disclosed to him
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Speaker 11: that she had a sexually transmitted disease. His legal team
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Speaker 11: cited the fact that Miss Seraphim did take these accusations
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Speaker 11: to New South Wales Police at the time, and the
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Speaker 11: police had investigated them, including doing a DNA test on
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Speaker 11: a red dress that was worn at the time in
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Speaker 11: the boardroom and finding no trace of male DNA on it.
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Speaker 11: They'd also looked at CCTV of the pair coming out
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Speaker 11: of the lifts and talked to witnesses, and they had
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Speaker 11: decided not to pursue charges. Mister Hooda did, though, tried
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Speaker 11: to have the details of this case suppressed at an
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Speaker 11: earlier hearing. He said it would be damaging for him,
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Speaker 11: both professionally and within the Islamic community to have the
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Speaker 11: details of these sexually explicit messages between the pair, and
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Speaker 11: there are hundreds in this case Andrew revealed to the public,
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Speaker 11: but outside court today he's been less outspoken than he
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Speaker 11: has been previously. Mister Huda, how do you think the
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Speaker 11: first day went.
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Speaker 6: Regardless of who's he excusing, it was appropriate to have
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Speaker 6: a sexual relationship.
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Speaker 11: They in Kur. Why did you ask her to sign
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Speaker 11: an Islamic marriage contract? According to her, do you think
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Speaker 11: your reputation has already been damaged in the Islamic community.
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Speaker 11: But this sort of silence from mister Hood outside the
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Speaker 11: tribunal was really in contrast to his last appearance. When
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Speaker 11: I asked him why he was seeking to have this
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Speaker 11: case suppressed, he went on a bizarre round about Palestine.
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Speaker 11: Why are you seeking to have it hidden from the public,
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Speaker 11: Free Palestine. You're embarrassed about the details of your relationship
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Speaker 11: with yours.
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Speaker 1: From the Zionus aggression.
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Speaker 2: Well, Caroline, that is some case. Some have lived a
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Speaker 2: sheltered life. I think wonder how that's all going to
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Speaker 2: be sorted out, Caroline Marcus, you'll be on top of that,
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Speaker 2: no doubt. We'll he more from you later. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for your time.
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Speaker 11: You're welcome, Andrea, welcome.
31:05
Speaker 2: Back after the break. Victoria's shame, how symbolic and multicultural
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Speaker 2: harmony Cup last wings. We can start two men running
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Speaker 2: amuck with a machete. There are two more machete incidents
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne over the weekend. In one attack, a young
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Speaker 2: man's found seriously injured, but the other strikes me as
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Speaker 2: extremely symbolic. Maybe I'm wrong. The NRL holds an annual
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Speaker 2: Harmony Cup for teams drawn from what are called ethnic communities. Now,
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Speaker 2: as if these communities exist apart from the wider Australian
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Speaker 2: community from everyone else, there are teams from America, from
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Speaker 2: Pacific Islands, from all over seventeen essentially ethnic teams in
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Speaker 2: all in what the NRL says are teams coming together
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Speaker 2: to celebrate culture, connection and community. Well, on Saturday, this
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Speaker 2: Harmony Cup, supposedly, this very victorious celebration of culture and
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Speaker 2: community included two mass men running around with a machete.
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Speaker 6: Ye.
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Speaker 2: Now, they're a bit like these men who've been finding
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Speaker 2: with machetes in Melbourne's shopping centers and shopping malls, often
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Speaker 2: young men already out on bail, but only too willing
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Speaker 2: to stage a war in our land.
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Speaker 12: Come on, come, come, come, come, come come.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel so enriched joining me A. Lisa Godad,
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Speaker 2: former foreign correspondent and founder of the Only Media. Michael Danby,
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Speaker 2: former federal labor politician, Chairman of the Joint Standing Committee
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Speaker 2: on Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade. Michael Macheti's at the
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Speaker 2: Harmony Cup. Very symbolic to me, is it seems a
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Speaker 2: little bit of a sign of a real disintegration ab
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Speaker 2: our culture of our ua call culture our community a
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Speaker 2: Lisa Victoria, what does it look like to you?
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Speaker 10: You've got a good sense of humor or injury. This
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Speaker 10: sounds like something out of multipython.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it.
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 10: These the bail laws are not being enforced. These young
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Speaker 10: people just get out again and again and again. One
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Speaker 10: bloke was released to go overseas with his parents overseas
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Speaker 10: and another one was released three times. The problem is
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Speaker 10: the government and the police have a zeitgeist, you know,
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Speaker 10: keep the peace. We don't enforce the law. We've got
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Speaker 10: weak magistrates who've been appointed by the Socialist left since
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Speaker 10: Dan Andrews. That's the problem. It's not the laws that
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Speaker 10: don't exist, it's the fact that they're not enforced by magistrates,
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Speaker 10: police or judges.
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Speaker 2: But Lisa, it's more than a law enforcement or lack
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Speaker 2: of law enforcements or the justice system. I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: parents involved. There's a sense of they don't care that
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Speaker 2: they're not part of the wider community. There were the
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Speaker 2: lockdowns which disempowered so many kids, absolutely disenchanted them. There's
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Speaker 2: much more than that involved, isn't there.
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Speaker 6: Well, Andrew Firstley, welcome back. It's great to have you back.
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Speaker 6: And look on that point, I think every point you
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Speaker 6: just made there would have been made from a solicitor
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Speaker 6: or a juda solicitor standing up in a magistrate's court
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Speaker 6: trying to argue why these teenagers who are accused of
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Speaker 6: these knife crimes and these mashety attacks should be let
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Speaker 6: out on bail and over and over again, whether it
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Speaker 6: be argued for culture reasons, whether it be argued because
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Speaker 6: they've had a bad family life, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 6: They're let out again, and like Michael said on the
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Speaker 6: roundabout of released on bail, comeback and do it again.
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Speaker 6: And what really gets me is just to Allen said
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Speaker 6: on the weekend, it's new crime. This machete crime, these
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Speaker 6: knife attacks that we're seeing is new. Nina remind her
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Speaker 6: back in August we saw that poor man who almost
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Speaker 6: lost his hand.
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Speaker 5: It's not new.
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Speaker 6: It didn't just start appearing last weekend or the weekend before.
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Speaker 6: This is an ongoing problem, and I made the point
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Speaker 6: on Reader's program the other night. She made the point
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Speaker 6: of trying to gain political mileage out of David Crisp
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Speaker 6: Foley when the Queensland Premier said, look, come to Queensland,
35:34
Speaker 6: you won't get stabbed fair enough. It may not have
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Speaker 6: been a great comment. However, what she should be saying
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Speaker 6: is how do I fix this youth crime crisis? Because
35:41
Speaker 6: here with the adult crime adult time, we've seen youth
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Speaker 6: crime drop by seventeen percent. So just send to allan
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Speaker 6: needs to do something very serious about this, and also
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Speaker 6: the magistrates need to follow up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'd like also let's talk about communities and
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Speaker 2: more about our community generally, we're all in this together. Overseas, Michael,
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Speaker 2: we had Anthony oven Easy today flattering the Chinese premier
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Speaker 2: calling the friend despite China again threatening one of our
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Speaker 2: LEF planes only a week ago. And meanwhile, of course
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Speaker 2: China's closest allie is Russia. Chinese supporting Russia in the
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Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine. Our friend is doing this. Russia meanwhile
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Speaker 2: very publicly tested a nuclear capable missile, one that flew
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Speaker 2: fourteen thousand kilometers with Russian despot Vladimir Putin once again
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Speaker 2: threatening the West with his nuclear weapons. The best in
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Speaker 2: the world, he claimed here.
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Speaker 5: Is on nuclear deterrent is at the highest level.
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Speaker 10: It's probably no exaggeration to say, but it's at least
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Speaker 10: higher than that of all nuclear states.
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Speaker 2: Michael, How serious are Putin's threats, especially with our friends
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Speaker 2: in China backing him.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, at least Albot covers himself by making references
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Speaker 10: to the military things which he didn't do before. But
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Speaker 10: bas Communists only respect real power, and they'll be acutely
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Speaker 10: aware of Australia's declining military power as this socialist left
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Speaker 10: government asset strips the ADF in order to pay for
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Speaker 10: the submarines. And of course the scandal is, Andrew, we
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Speaker 10: are paying via petrol prices, some of which are bought
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Speaker 10: by the ADF via Indian refineries for this Russian war effort.
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Speaker 10: Europe has an economy twenty times the size of Russia.
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Speaker 10: In fact, i'd remind you Andrew that Australia has a
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Speaker 10: bigger economy than Russia. We just don't have to blink
37:39
Speaker 10: as far as the Russians are concerned. Hope Trump's economic sanctions,
37:43
Speaker 10: the new economic sanctions plus European support for advanced Ukrainian weaponry,
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Speaker 10: including long strike weapons, will eventually grind the Russians down.
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Speaker 10: Many of the military experts say that's coming in the
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Speaker 10: next six months to a year.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Australia with nuclear weapons? Maybe we wouldn't
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Speaker 2: push it around that much, Lisa, is it right for ALBINIZI?
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Speaker 2: I understand the argument, don't publicly embarrass the premier of
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Speaker 2: communists China when we're so desperately dependent on them to
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Speaker 2: buy our exports. But is it right for him to
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Speaker 2: then go the extra mile and call the guy, the
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Speaker 2: Chinese premier a friend.
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Speaker 6: You mean the same friend whose country is firing on
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Speaker 6: our helicopters, on our planes, setting flares off, and.
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Speaker 2: I looked at them back.
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Speaker 6: It's almost two years in November twenty twenty three, that
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Speaker 6: was when there was a sonar attack on the HMAS Twarmba,
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Speaker 6: and at that time we had Richard Miles saying it
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Speaker 6: was unsafe and unprofessional. That was the comment towards China.
38:43
Speaker 6: Now fast forward to today and we're seeing Richard Miles
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Speaker 6: again describing me as unsafe and unprofessional. So in two years,
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Speaker 6: they haven't changed the Australian rhetoric towards this at all.
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Speaker 6: So I would suggest that words need to be strengthened.
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Speaker 6: And whatever happened in that meeting today, we will never
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Speaker 6: know because Albanzi will not tell. But surely it is
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Speaker 6: not a friend who does that to us. And right
39:04
Speaker 6: now it's our national security that's at risk. And yes,
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Speaker 6: we have to balance that with trade, and we have
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Speaker 6: to balance that with goodness. That is what they said
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Speaker 6: about the critical minerals deal behind those closed doors. But
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Speaker 6: Australia isn't changing its language at all, and we are
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Speaker 6: certainly not any tougher today we were even two years
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Speaker 6: ago when were attacked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think albanezis saying he raised it in private
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Speaker 2: at least is more like a ticker bock exercise. And
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Speaker 2: I'd be very inscriting to know how the Premier reacted.
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Speaker 2: I think he would have just said, y'awn, moving on.
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Speaker 2: I know you're just suing it for form, but Michael,
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Speaker 2: you know this, as a Lisa said, the government keeps
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Speaker 2: dismissing as unsafe. Yeah, it's meant to be unsafe. It's
39:40
Speaker 2: meant to warn the ardable left plane to bugger off.
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Speaker 2: It's unprofessional. Well, we don't know that. It could be
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Speaker 2: exactly following orders and doing it by the book. As
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Speaker 2: far as China is concerned, they're really going to find
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Speaker 2: a new language describe what China's doing.
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Speaker 10: How many times does it have to happen before it's
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Speaker 10: not coincidence. Let's go back to first principles. Andrew sas
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Speaker 10: in Australia, Britain, France, many other countries are in the
40:03
Speaker 10: South China Sea is because the International Court of Arbitration
40:06
Speaker 10: said it was an international sea. Sixty percent of Australia's
40:09
Speaker 10: maritime trade to Japan, Korea and even China and Taiwan
40:14
Speaker 10: go through that sea, and we have to see we
40:16
Speaker 10: have a free passage of that international waterway. It's outrageous
40:21
Speaker 10: that the Chinese are trying to turn it into their
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Speaker 10: version of the English Channel.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly correct. Lisa Godad Michael Danby, thank you very
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Speaker 2: much to you both. After the break to London, pressure
40:35
Speaker 2: is suddenly mountain. Really seriously, I'm Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew
40:44
Speaker 2: has become much much more than some royal gossips, some
40:48
Speaker 2: tabloid scandal. This is getting extremely serious, and not just
40:52
Speaker 2: because he's accused of having sex with a teenager pimped
40:55
Speaker 2: out to him by pedophile sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein something
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Speaker 2: Andrew Eyes. There's also multiple reports now of alleged misuse
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Speaker 2: of his power, even corruption, flying around the world, supposedly
41:08
Speaker 2: make deals for Britain while actually making shady deals with
41:10
Speaker 2: shady people in places like Kazakhstan, benefited entirely himself, and
41:16
Speaker 2: now come reports that has essentially lived rent free for
41:19
Speaker 2: decades at the Royal Lodge his home.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Andrew has already been stripped of his title Duke of York.
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Speaker 2: Now some British MPs want him to lose his title
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Speaker 2: of Prince, and others demanded explained his use of the
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Speaker 2: Royal Lodge to Parliament in person, and the Prime Minister
41:37
Speaker 2: last week did not rule that out. Will the Prime
41:42
Speaker 2: Minister support a select committee's inquiry so all those involved
41:47
Speaker 2: can be called for evidence, including the current occupant. Well,
41:51
Speaker 2: it's important in relation to all properties crime properties, that
41:55
Speaker 2: there is proper us group nice that the.
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Speaker 5: Support the.
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Speaker 2: Joinally from London, its writer, presenter, commentator, it's the crack.
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Speaker 2: It's so great to see you. How serious is this now?
42:08
Speaker 2: For Prince Andrew and where this could we could this
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Speaker 2: go next?
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is probably as serious as it gets.
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Speaker 4: The National Ordered Office, which is responsible for ordering of
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Speaker 4: Crown properties, are going to be asking some serious questions
42:23
Speaker 4: as to how this man lived in a thirty bedroom
42:27
Speaker 4: mansion over twenty years while basically paying little to no rent.
42:31
Speaker 4: And they're estimating that the property could have generated hundreds
42:34
Speaker 4: of thousands of pounds in revenue if they had been
42:37
Speaker 4: actually charging rent or at least letting it out to
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Speaker 4: someone else. And this goes back to the previous point
42:43
Speaker 4: of stripping Prince Andrew of his titles is just the beginning,
42:45
Speaker 4: and this is something that should have happened years ago.
42:48
Speaker 4: We know that if Prince Andrew was the average Joe
42:51
Speaker 4: blow walking down the road, the Metropolitan Police would would
42:55
Speaker 4: have been all over him like White on Rice if
42:57
Speaker 4: he had those links to Jeffrey Epstein. And I think
42:59
Speaker 4: the public are demanding that it's no different for Prince
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Speaker 4: Andrew and not. Obviously the Royal family wants to jettison
43:05
Speaker 4: this headache of a man who has clearly no judgment
43:08
Speaker 4: and who has put his position in the Royal family
43:12
Speaker 4: into disrepute. Prince William we know is the most irate
43:16
Speaker 4: about Prince Andrew, and he's been the most vocal about
43:19
Speaker 4: being severe on him. It's not just about, you know,
43:22
Speaker 4: stripping of his titles. How is this man living in
43:24
Speaker 4: a thirty bedroom mansion which he arrogantly for years has
43:27
Speaker 4: refused to bey case. This is not the first time
43:30
Speaker 4: that Prince William or King Charles even have wanted to
43:32
Speaker 4: get Prince Andrew out of that property and he said no,
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Speaker 4: it's his home. But now that the cards are stacked
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Speaker 4: against him and things are looking diceier than usual, especially
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Speaker 4: with the revelations revealed in Virginiers you phrase book, he
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Speaker 4: has no choice but to leave alongside with his ex wife.
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Speaker 4: So you know, things have got really really bad for
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Speaker 4: Prince Andrew. Doesn't really get much worse than this. He
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Speaker 4: could be called up in the US for an investigation
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Speaker 4: because of valegation is that he had access or he
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Speaker 4: illegally accessed Virginaty for social Security number as well as
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Speaker 4: asked his personal protection officer allegedly to dig up dirt
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Speaker 4: on her. I mean, it doesn't get much worse than this.
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Speaker 4: He might very well, as I have kindly suggested, be
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Speaker 4: banished to a one bedding flat in Goer serving food
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Speaker 4: orphans in India.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know. You visited the Isle of
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Speaker 2: Elbert earlier this year where Napoleon was banged up for
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Speaker 2: a while. I think that could be an excellent place.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Cinterleina even better. Ireland just elected a hard lift
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Speaker 2: president Esther. She calls Israel a terrorist state, but says
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Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorist group is part of the fabric of
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Speaker 2: Palestinian society, and the British Prime Minister, like I should
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Speaker 2: not be demanding it. He must be banned from governing
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Speaker 2: a future Palestinian state. Here she is, I'm asking you
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Speaker 2: this morning why you would say Hamas is part of
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Speaker 2: the fabric of the Palestini.
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Speaker 9: I'll try and answer that vice best I can. They
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Speaker 9: are part of the civil society of Palestine. A terrorist organization,
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Speaker 9: are prescribed as a terrorist organization. That do you agree
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Speaker 9: with that designation? That's the designation Israel is acting as
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Speaker 9: a terrorist state.
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Speaker 2: Oh that is now Ireland's new president in a landslide
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Speaker 2: win on the weekend. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I'll give Ireland a little bit
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Speaker 4: of grace in that she won. Basically offer technicality and
45:32
Speaker 4: they had a record number of spoiled ballots for the
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Speaker 4: very reason that you can imagine the anger, the palpable
45:38
Speaker 4: anger amongst the Irish mini Irish voters cannot be understated.
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Speaker 4: That being said, she's basically Ireland's answer to Jeremy Corbyn.
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Speaker 4: She is a complete walking disaster. Do you even have
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Speaker 4: a go to have a go at Kirstama, who's not
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Speaker 4: known for being a conservative by the way, for saying
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Speaker 4: that Hamash should have no part of realing Gada. It's
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Speaker 4: quite incredible to me. I mean really that, I don't
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Speaker 4: even think Joban Corban would say something like that, which
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Speaker 4: is saying something. But you know, she holds the typical
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Speaker 4: fashionable views of the hard left in Ireland. She's hostile
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Speaker 4: to the UK, even though they don't complain about all
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Speaker 4: the freeviees they get from the UK and the security
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Speaker 4: guarantees that they get from the UK. She's hostile to
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Speaker 4: the US even though all the tech bros from the
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Speaker 4: US are basically propping up Ireland's economy and taking advantage
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Speaker 4: of the record corporate tax rates which if we had
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Speaker 4: in the UK politicians with brains they would be seeking
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Speaker 4: to emulate that because many of them will probably put
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Speaker 4: off by her very left wing views. She fashionably helped
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Speaker 4: banks repossess people's homes, but apparently that's not a crime
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Speaker 4: amongst left wing people, because now that she's joined the
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Speaker 4: ranks of the hard left, that's apparently forgivable. She's a typical,
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Speaker 4: you know, Champagne socialist, and I don't think she's going
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Speaker 4: to get much traction in Ireland, who have no patience
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Speaker 4: for this type of politics anymore.
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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, the Ireland though, but it's foreign policy, you know,
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Speaker 2: signing the Cadole and book for the Death of Hitler
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Speaker 2: and all that. I mean, seriously, it's hard to centerate. Meanwhile, chaotic.
47:05
Speaker 2: The UK labor government's handling of illegal immigration is so
47:10
Speaker 2: I know, we talked about this before, its record numbers
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Speaker 2: of illegal immigrants on boats, housing many of them at hotels.
47:17
Speaker 2: Last week it accidentally released one illegal immigrant had been
47:21
Speaker 2: Jonathan's sexual assault of a fourteen year old girl. Now
47:24
Speaker 2: he's finally been recaptured after two days. But what on
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Speaker 2: earth does all this say.
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Speaker 4: It says that this country has been ruled by incompetence
47:34
Speaker 4: more than anything. I think the fact the most insulting
47:37
Speaker 4: part of it is the fact that this government is
47:38
Speaker 4: treating it us. He's been recaptured. You let him out,
47:41
Speaker 4: You let this man out. This is the man. Let's
47:44
Speaker 4: not forget who. Basically who's arrest kicked off the protests
47:48
Speaker 4: outside the Epping Bell Hotel, which was known for housing migrants.
47:53
Speaker 4: This man's arrest was the catalyst for that, and somehow
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Speaker 4: he was let out and the UK media has been
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Speaker 4: a wash over the last few days saying, oh, there's
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Speaker 4: a man hunt searching for this man, what do you
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Speaker 4: mean manhunt? You let him out with a cell phone,
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Speaker 4: add fifty pounds to go about his merry way.
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Speaker 2: This is incredible. First they let them in and then
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Speaker 2: they let them out. They put them back in again.
48:16
Speaker 2: It's the hokey pokey asylum seekers featuring. Honestly, Esther Cracker
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Speaker 2: always great to see you. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time. And that's it for me. I want to
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Speaker 2: just thank all the wonderful viewers who sent me good
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Speaker 2: wishes over the last few weeks. I really really appreciated that.
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Speaker 2: Coming up now is Sherry Markson for me. Good night,