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SMNTY Classics: Twilight · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't know your stuff.
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Speaker 2: I Never told you Protection by Heart Radio, and today
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Speaker 2: we are bringing back our classic on the first Twilight movie.
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Speaker 2: Because if you don't know, they're coming out in theaters,
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Speaker 2: I've gotten some advertisements for them.
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Speaker 3: I've been saying we need to bring Joey down and
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Speaker 3: all of us go as a crew.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I co signed this idea.
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Speaker 2: We have the part one in part two of the
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Speaker 2: last film to watch. We're trying to get it to
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Speaker 2: work out where we can do it with super producer
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Speaker 2: Christina and contributor Joey. I think it would be hilarious.
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Speaker 2: I think we all would come at it from different angles.
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited. I've heard something and.
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Speaker 1: I should be.
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Speaker 3: You should be.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
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Speaker 2: I like how you said that kind of threateningly because
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's the vibe. I think that's about right.
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Speaker 2: Uh So we are working in that. We have not
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Speaker 2: forgotten about it. But while we wait for that to happen,
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Speaker 2: please enjoy this classic episode.
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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome.
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Speaker 1: To Stephan Never Told You production of iHeart Radio.
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Speaker 3: And I am back in full forth ready to entertain everyone,
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Speaker 3: including you, Anie, because I feel like we have such
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Speaker 3: different perspectives about what we're about to talk about, and
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Speaker 3: I just excited that we decided to do this. Yes,
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Speaker 3: we are doing a feminist movie, and this movie is
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Speaker 3: a beloved tale that started off as fan fiction, and
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Speaker 3: I know we've talked about it many times. Yes, we
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Speaker 3: were talking about the two thousand and eight adaptation of Twilight.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so it is.
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Speaker 2: We didn't have time to do our usual book club
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Speaker 2: or our usual feminist movie Friday this month, so we're
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Speaker 2: combining the two kind of kind of. But also I
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Speaker 2: do have an update on that fan fiction piece that
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Speaker 2: I need to talk about in the middle.
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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okay, Well, I know we've talked about it before.
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Speaker 3: I came in late to the game of Twilight. I
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Speaker 3: think I came in before. No, no, no, All the
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Speaker 3: books had been released by the time I had come in,
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Speaker 3: but I think the last one, which is Breaking Dawn,
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Speaker 3: because we know all the titles are something to do
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Speaker 3: with like horizons, but like that was still a hardback
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Speaker 3: and I had to buy it in hardback. But I
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Speaker 3: read Twilight and then I got englfed in it. I
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Speaker 3: was like, oh, and it was so easy to read,
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Speaker 3: so I went in read it one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 3: thousand percent. My roommate was making fun of me and
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Speaker 3: her boyfriend, as I should at that time, because it
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Speaker 3: was not for my age. I was out of college
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Speaker 3: at this point, a professional living in Atlanta, and this
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Speaker 3: was geared towards college high school students. Essentially a young
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Speaker 3: young adult novel written by an adult that had a
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Speaker 3: lot of repressed feelings. Sure, Jehany Meyer who blabe is
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Speaker 3: Mormon and had a lot of pent up emotion and
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Speaker 3: was kind of like, but I got to make Harry
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Speaker 3: Potter sexier but not too sexy.
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Speaker 1: Right, which I guess brings me.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, first let me talk about my experience. So
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Speaker 2: I want to be very very clear while I might
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Speaker 2: make some fun while we do this. I totally get
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Speaker 2: why this was so popular. I think that when it
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Speaker 2: came out, I just really I wasn't into romance, and
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Speaker 2: I also was like, but I could just read this
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Speaker 2: fan fiction that I like more, so I never got
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Speaker 2: into it. I did go see the movie in college,
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Speaker 2: and I've told you this story, and I just watched
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Speaker 2: the movie again and I laughed very hard again at
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Speaker 2: the same part where they're in the class the bioclass
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Speaker 2: and Bella comes in and the fan catches her hair
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Speaker 2: and it blows and the scent blows towards Edward, I guess,
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Speaker 2: and he's.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh on the paper like.
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Speaker 2: Blows up and I died laughing in the theater, and
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Speaker 2: these like fourteen year olds behind me, I am not kidding,
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Speaker 2: threatened to t take me out to the.
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Speaker 1: Alley and beat me up.
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Speaker 3: Are these fourteen year olds don't even know what an
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Speaker 3: alley is, likes dated.
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Speaker 1: They were like, we'll go outside right.
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Speaker 3: Now, cash outside. Did they say this to you?
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Speaker 2: I don't think that was a thing yet, but essentially
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Speaker 2: that was the vibe, and I didn't mean to make
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Speaker 2: fun and I'm honestly rewatching it. I'm like, I'm not
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Speaker 2: even sure it wasn't supposed to be kind of funny
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Speaker 2: because it was very humorous.
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Speaker 3: Right, So the entire thing, I think it has become
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Speaker 3: a cult classic into that is now funnier than it
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Speaker 3: should have been. My cringe scene was a sparkle scene. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and then the of course spider Monkey scene, which, by
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Speaker 3: the way, I realized there was like themed where they
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Speaker 3: just called each other monkeys for some reason. So he says,
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Speaker 3: hang on tight, spider monkey, which is which is not
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Speaker 3: a part of the book. And everybody was like, what
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Speaker 3: what just happened? And then there's a second where they
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Speaker 3: put when they played the baseball and she and he
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Speaker 3: climbs up the tree to get the baseball. Essentially, Rosalie says,
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Speaker 3: that's my monkey.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 3: I was like, what the what? So, uh, yeah, we
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Speaker 3: were providing too quickly into this of course, if you
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Speaker 3: don't know, I feel like this is because it was
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Speaker 3: again I was a little older so and he would
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Speaker 3: have been your generation, I think, more so than my
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Speaker 3: generation of people who loved it. But don't get me wrong,
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Speaker 3: we were again if you lived the life like mine,
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Speaker 3: which was very churchish conservative, this book was amazing because
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Speaker 3: you could have the things without having the things, and
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Speaker 3: you understood why these things played out as it did
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Speaker 3: because this Mormon girl understood sexuality for repressed sexuality for
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Speaker 3: young girls in the church. So this was absolutely that
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Speaker 3: and many of us because I got my friends into
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Speaker 3: it too because they saw the movie, which is hilarious
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Speaker 3: because I thought if they saw the movie, they wouldn't
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Speaker 3: want to read the book. Because the movie, even at
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Speaker 3: that point, was not great to me, but I still
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Speaker 3: loved it, don't get me wrong, but it was it
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Speaker 3: would catch on and I have copies of it here
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Speaker 3: and I cannot find them, so I had to rent
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Speaker 3: it anyway. But before we start, yes, let's let's talk
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Speaker 3: about the movie. This is written by Stephanie Meyer, again
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Speaker 3: fan fiction of Harry Potter, though she doesn't like fan
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Speaker 3: fiction version of her stories, which is interesting in itself.
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Speaker 3: She gives a lot of credit to the music, which
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Speaker 3: my partner was sitting or like, was around the living
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Speaker 3: room when I was watching this today and he was like,
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Speaker 3: wait is that Radiohead? And I was like, the soundtrack
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Speaker 3: is bombed, like for some reason. He's like, Radiohead never
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Speaker 3: gets permission, and they gave permission for this movie, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm pretty sure they all thought this
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Speaker 3: was like an indie film and they went with it
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Speaker 3: because the director, Catherine Hardwick, was actually known for a
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Speaker 3: lot of her indie films. It has Evan ray Wood
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Speaker 3: as her first movie, as well as Nicky Reid, who
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Speaker 3: we see play Rosalie in Twilight. So it's about these
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Speaker 3: two young girls coming of age and really like their
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Speaker 3: angstiness and growing up and it actually was a really
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Speaker 3: good film. I think it's a great film, and it
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Speaker 3: hit a lot of like the rebellion of trying to
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Speaker 3: grow up too quickly and being cool and what that
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Speaker 3: could look like and how scary it could be and
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Speaker 3: how confusing it could be. It also sexualized Evan rachel
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Speaker 3: Wood at a very early age, and I believe she
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Speaker 3: was almost she was thirteen fourteen. She was pretty young
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Speaker 3: at that point. So a lot of things with Catherine
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Speaker 3: Hardwick made herself a name in that kind of alternative
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Speaker 3: indie film with that because it won awards, and I
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Speaker 3: believe Nicky Reid helped write that screenplay at that young age. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: so NICKI read also had some cred in this point.
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Speaker 3: So I really think that a lot of the musicians
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Speaker 3: were like really honored, kind of like thinking this is
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Speaker 3: going to be an indie film. That's again this is
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Speaker 3: my theory only because I'm like, how did she get
9:05
Speaker 3: Lincoln Park? Who? Still get me wrong? They were kind
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Speaker 3: of kitchy at that point, but still pretty hardcore for
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Speaker 3: a movie like this, Iron and Wine and all these
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Speaker 3: different songs and you're like how and again, Radiohead, they
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Speaker 3: are ridiculously picky about not giving any rights, and there
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Speaker 3: they are in Twilight for teens. Okay, but yeah, like this,
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm holding to the fact that, yes, this was
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Speaker 3: intended as like an indie look into this movie. This
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Speaker 3: was Catherine Hardwick's big jump into the mainstream. Summit was
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Speaker 3: not a big studio at that point in time. They
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Speaker 3: were making a name for themselves, but they were more
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Speaker 3: indie ish at that point in time, so kind of
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Speaker 3: the more commercialized a twenty four let's say, for today
9:51
Speaker 3: or Bloomhouse. The Blumhouse. I guess Blumhouse was more horror,
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Speaker 3: but you get what I'm saying. They were the smaller
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Speaker 3: that grew bigger with some street cred. So here we
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Speaker 3: got this whole idea. And again, Katherine Hardwick, if you've
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Speaker 3: ever seen her in interviews, she does look punk. She
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Speaker 3: dresses to the like leans to the side of punk.
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Speaker 3: Which is also why I think the movie's all in
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Speaker 3: like the green real like dark mode. Again, very Andy,
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Speaker 3: Phil and I think this is why you have Kristin
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Speaker 3: Stewart jumping in, who had just come off of her
10:26
Speaker 3: big hit Into the Wild, which is that movie about
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Speaker 3: the dude who gets lost in Alaska. Unfortunately, eats the
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Speaker 3: wrong things, passes away. But this is how he got
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Speaker 3: introduced to Kristin Stewart. This kind of guy gave her
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Speaker 3: a name. Even though she'd been in many, many movies before.
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Speaker 3: She'd been in the movies with Jodie Foster like she
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Speaker 3: was a huge child actor that no one really knew. So,
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Speaker 3: but this really pushed her into the Oh look at
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Speaker 3: her angsty teen and this is why she got cast.
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Speaker 3: She was always intended to play Bella or Isabella Swan,
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Speaker 3: who is our protagonist, who is our pixie manic girl.
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Speaker 3: She would be exactly what we talk about, who is
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Speaker 3: clumsy but cute. Everybody wants her, everybody likes her somehow,
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Speaker 3: good at everything but bad at everything, like all of
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Speaker 3: these things.
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Speaker 1: This is like when I talk about this is this
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Speaker 1: is what it is.
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Speaker 3: Maybe she's the beginning.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I know what the beginning is.
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Speaker 3: It's the beginning.
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Speaker 1: It's a fan fiction. It's famous. But but I do
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Speaker 1: want to I say that.
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Speaker 2: As you know, I'm very I don't think there's anything
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Speaker 2: wrong with a good marry Sue. I think there's plenty
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Speaker 2: of things to enjoy about a good Mary Sue. So
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Speaker 2: I think it's worth examining the tropes, but also like
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Speaker 2: I get it's fun yirl.
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Speaker 3: She is that girl. So we have Kristin Stewart being
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Speaker 3: this and always being this. Later we find Robert Pattinson, who, yes,
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Speaker 3: who hates this role. I think he started started to
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Speaker 3: come back and embrace it, but hates this role now
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Speaker 3: And the only reason he did it was because of
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Speaker 3: Kristin Stewart. If you listened to his interviews, he'd always
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Speaker 3: talked about how he was about to quit until he
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Speaker 3: got this role, that their chemistry was too good, and
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Speaker 3: we saw that in real life and then it just bombed.
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Speaker 3: And then we're like, yeah, Kristin Stewart's gay, obviously. And
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Speaker 3: then we again meet Nikki Reid, who has always been
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Speaker 3: a good friend with Katherine Hardwick has always been a
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Speaker 3: part of this as well. With the awful dye job
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Speaker 3: that apparently ruined her hair and they had to do
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Speaker 3: wigs after that, but it up for her hair real good
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Speaker 3: that if you know the behind the behind the scenes. Again,
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Speaker 3: we have Billy Burke, who plays the father of Kristin Stewart,
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Speaker 3: who I think is the only good actor in this
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Speaker 3: entire thing to be honest, sorry, y'all. And then we
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Speaker 3: have Peter Facinelli who plays Carlisle Cullin. Yeah, Elizabeth Reeser
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Speaker 3: as May Cullen. Ashley Green, we were introduced to her,
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Speaker 3: Colin Lutz and Jackson Rathbone, and then there's several other
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Speaker 3: actors that we include. Of course, we also have talked
13:14
Speaker 3: about Taylor Lautner, who's only in a few scenes so
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Speaker 3: he's just barely introduced, who is from native lineage. So
13:21
Speaker 3: I remember that was really important, and I'm glad that
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Speaker 3: they stuck to it, and they stuck to it throughout
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Speaker 3: the entire movies. To bring in native actors into this
13:28
Speaker 3: entire conversation. They did switched out the native actors because
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Speaker 3: the initial ones were not buff enough to be half naked,
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Speaker 3: so they had to switch them all out. And then
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Speaker 3: we are introduced to Anna Kendrick, who, yes, she is
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Speaker 3: one of the didn't she oscar nominated? At this point,
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Speaker 3: she's got awards? Still real bad, Still real bad.
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Speaker 1: I forgot she was in there.
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Speaker 3: She's in here, but she's probably one of the better ones.
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Speaker 3: Justin Choone, which y'all may not know who he is,
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Speaker 3: but I know who he is because he is a
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Speaker 3: Korean actor that I was like, what was very glad
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Speaker 3: to see as part of the cast. And he is
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Speaker 3: a big writer and does a lot of great movies,
14:07
Speaker 3: especially about Korean culture in the US. Just you know,
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Speaker 3: to put that in there. But yeah, so we have
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Speaker 3: a lot of interesting things, new pair of people coming
14:17
Speaker 3: into play. Yes, and if you're wondering the book, they
14:23
Speaker 3: try to close closely stay with the book. So the
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Speaker 3: writer of the screenplay, writer Melissa Rosenberg, which we've talked
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Speaker 3: about her before, she talks about how she wanted to,
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Speaker 3: you know, be as close to the book as possible,
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Speaker 3: taking some of the lines. And I think this is
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Speaker 3: where we see how when it's translated to real life
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Speaker 3: it doesn't go well. It's better when you don't say
14:44
Speaker 3: it out loud in your head because you're gonna imagine
14:47
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to just graze over it. But
14:50
Speaker 3: then when they actually say that like lines out loud,
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Speaker 3: they're like, oh, that's bad, Aguess. The idea of a
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Speaker 3: sparkly man seems interesting until you see it on the
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Speaker 3: street and you're like, this is that not turn out well?
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Speaker 3: And again I say that this is the person that
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Speaker 3: that was a fan and that still has these books.
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Speaker 3: I shamefully hide them because I'm like, oh god, but
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Speaker 3: I did love them so and if I remember correctly,
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Speaker 3: I believe our producer, super producer Christina also loved them.
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Speaker 3: Who is younger than the both of us. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's I think it's making a replay, like it's coming back.
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Speaker 3: The kids are coming back and discovering it and loving it.
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Speaker 3: So if you're a fan, you do you enjoy every
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Speaker 3: bit of it. Don't listen to me being cringing at it.
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it for what it was. It entertained me
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Speaker 3: for many a times. Love me some. Robert Pattinson, Oh yeah, Annie,
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Speaker 3: are you team Jacob or team Edward? Oh it's an
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Speaker 3: important question.
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, So I am making notes of what we
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Speaker 2: need to talk about at the end for themes. One
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Speaker 2: of the ones is we did talk about this in shipping,
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Speaker 2: our shipping episode. This was a big moment in shipping.
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Speaker 2: I did not read the books. I saw the first movie,
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Speaker 2: so I feel that I was just like.
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Speaker 3: So, I should have made you watch all of the movies.
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Speaker 3: That's what you're saying, let's coming back now. Not that
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Speaker 3: I've discovered this.
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Speaker 2: I do have a note about the later movies though,
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Speaker 2: because the baby is infamous Baby Okay.
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Speaker 3: Well, the name alone was a tragedy and I feel
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Speaker 3: bad for any author because we've talked about having names
16:39
Speaker 3: as writers and it's difficult, honestly, but the name she
16:44
Speaker 3: picked out was so bad that we were all like,
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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone, no fan was on her side
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Speaker 3: for this. Well, I don't know what it is her
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Speaker 3: name because Bella wanted to combine the name of her
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Speaker 3: two parents, the two mothers, oh okay and so Renesme
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Speaker 3: was the name instead of giving her like a middle
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Speaker 3: name and a first name of sorts. And then spoiler alert,
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Speaker 3: this is over like twenty years old of ust, they
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Speaker 3: call her Essie okay, and she is very angry about
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Speaker 3: this because Essie is the name of the Lochness monster.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Any So let's just go ahead and go into the
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Speaker 3: plot real quick. We have Edward Collins played by Robert Pattinson,
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Speaker 3: who is the man, the main lead. Now I'm taking
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Speaker 3: thinking Korean level, so sorry if I put it this way,
17:43
Speaker 3: but this is the classic triangle trope. So we have
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Speaker 3: the main lead, who would be Robert Pattinson, the second lead,
17:49
Speaker 3: who would be Taylor Latner's character Jacob, who is a
17:53
Speaker 3: Native American that lives on the reservation quote unquote, and
17:57
Speaker 3: they are mortal enemies of the colons. So we get
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Speaker 3: interested to do Stabella, who is leaving Arizona and goes
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Speaker 3: to live with her father because her mother and her
18:08
Speaker 3: stepfather are now traveling since her stepfather is a baseball player.
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Speaker 3: And this does closely go to the book. And she
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Speaker 3: goes to Forks, Oregon, which exists, and you can visit
18:19
Speaker 3: and they they love their tourists, so you can go
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Speaker 3: and hang out with them if you want. They By
18:24
Speaker 3: the way, I was trying to search this social way
18:26
Speaker 3: to watch this without paying for it, and instead of
18:29
Speaker 3: finding the actual movies, I found like side movies, I
18:34
Speaker 3: guess or documentaries, and one of them was a whole
18:37
Speaker 3: fan quest. It's what it called. It was Twilight Dot
18:40
Speaker 3: Dot Fanquest, and it just you just went with people
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Speaker 3: to go do the tour with them, like this is
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Speaker 3: how big, Like there's so many, so much love for this,
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Speaker 3: for this movie, and I think it still exists, to
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Speaker 3: be honest. So we have her going to Oregon. She
18:57
Speaker 3: hates the rain, she hates the cold, but you know
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Speaker 3: Oregon is rainy.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, Uh.
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Speaker 3: She comes in, doesn't have much of a relationship with
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Speaker 3: her father. He is very awkward. She is very shy
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Speaker 3: and awkward. So this is a whole build up. He's
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Speaker 3: a sheriff of the town, of course. Uh. She goes
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Speaker 3: to the school. She meets this bunch of kids who
19:16
Speaker 3: all the boys are fighting over her now, but then
19:19
Speaker 3: her eyes are caught by the Cullins, who are the
19:23
Speaker 3: Who is this mysterious family that got adopted by doctor
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Speaker 3: Cullen as we talked about Carlisle and as May his wife,
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Speaker 3: and they are all very pale and beautiful, but they're
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Speaker 3: all with each other except for Edward. Edward does not
19:37
Speaker 3: have a partner. We have a kookie one who is
19:42
Speaker 3: Alice and very like flush. They call her, I guess
19:46
Speaker 3: the not the fighty one, but like the like essentially
19:49
Speaker 3: like a fairy the way they describe her, she's like
19:51
Speaker 3: a pixie fairy, like oh happy, they look pixie cut even. Yes.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: We have Jasper who is the brooding one. That's her partner,
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Speaker 3: and he just looks angry all the time, which looks
20:01
Speaker 3: he just looks constipated. These the descriptions is amazing because
20:04
Speaker 3: they actually say the description is out loud of them
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Speaker 3: and the way that don't get me wrong, I'm so
20:10
Speaker 3: sorry actors. I know they're phenomenal and it has a
20:13
Speaker 3: hard job, but still laughter okay. And then again we
20:19
Speaker 3: have Rosalie and her love Emmett. They're just a beautiful
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Speaker 3: couple in general. And then we find Edward who just
20:29
Speaker 3: smirks all the time and according to Anna Kendrick's character
20:32
Speaker 3: does is too good for everyone and he just smirks.
20:35
Speaker 3: Ha ha ha. That's the end. They are in their corner,
20:38
Speaker 3: and of course Bella is quickly smitten by Edward and
20:42
Speaker 3: he is completely confused. We get an introduction to him
20:45
Speaker 3: when she walks into the classroom and stands in front
20:48
Speaker 3: of a fan and he looks like he's going to
20:50
Speaker 3: throw up as she goes and sits next to him,
20:57
Speaker 3: and then he runs away and we find out he's
20:59
Speaker 3: trying to exchange and she's so upset and by the again,
21:03
Speaker 3: I know Kristin Stewart's a good actress. I've seen her
21:05
Speaker 3: on some amazing things. She's been nominated for many awards.
21:08
Speaker 3: It's so bad the over hyped lip binding when she
21:15
Speaker 3: gets her feelings hurt. I was like, wow. And then
21:17
Speaker 3: the where she gets frustrated or excited. Yeah, this is
21:24
Speaker 3: what makes me go I don't understand what is it anyway,
21:27
Speaker 3: and we moving on. Later we go back to her
21:32
Speaker 3: coming to the school. Oh no, this dude's car goes
21:36
Speaker 3: out of guests, slips on the ice, is coming after her.
21:40
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Edward appears and pushes the car
21:44
Speaker 3: away from her so she doesn't get crushed. And she's like,
21:46
Speaker 3: what the hell he was across from the parking lot.
21:48
Speaker 3: How did he get over here so quick? So many
21:50
Speaker 3: mysteries unfold, and soon she discovers that he is a vampire.
21:55
Speaker 3: She goes down the route of googling things. I don't
22:00
Speaker 3: think ever, says vampire until she starts googling, like you
22:04
Speaker 3: never really see that. And then she confronts him in
22:06
Speaker 3: the woods where she's supposed to be really clumsy and
22:08
Speaker 3: tripping everywhere, and he's like throwing trees yep, and jumping
22:13
Speaker 3: from place to place, and then he's trying to get angry,
22:17
Speaker 3: and then he shows her her his skin color and
22:20
Speaker 3: his skin is sparkly, and turns out vampires sparkle in
22:25
Speaker 3: the sun, and that's why they love forks because it's
22:28
Speaker 3: always cloudy and they don't have to hide as much
22:31
Speaker 3: unless they go quote unquote camping because you know, if
22:34
Speaker 3: it's sunny, they can't be a school. So that like
22:36
Speaker 3: that's when all the whole family goes camping, is what
22:38
Speaker 3: they say. During all this time, we find out that
22:42
Speaker 3: Rosalie is very unhappy because if he ruins everything and
22:45
Speaker 3: kills her, they'll have to run away and hide again
22:47
Speaker 3: until the next generation of people come back, because they
22:49
Speaker 3: come back every few years. We find over every several
22:52
Speaker 3: like decades or centuries to replay put in like they're
22:56
Speaker 3: still young kids because they never age. Obviously. He tells
23:00
Speaker 3: her the whole story about being saved in nineteen eighteen
23:05
Speaker 3: Carlisle saves him and then as May and everybody else
23:09
Speaker 3: and they become one big, happy family. She goes to
23:12
Speaker 3: visit the family. There's a whole joke about the hats,
23:17
Speaker 3: and in the book it's something else. There is a joke,
23:20
Speaker 3: but it's not the hats, and I can't remember what
23:22
Speaker 3: it is. It's not graduation hats. I want to say,
23:24
Speaker 3: it might be diplomas that they have. If any of
23:28
Speaker 3: you listeners remember tell me, I just remember that one
23:31
Speaker 3: distinct details like that's not what it was, but they
23:34
Speaker 3: try to keep it. We also know that Robert Pattinson
23:37
Speaker 3: in real life is very musically inclined, so he actually
23:40
Speaker 3: wrote a piano piece to play Bella and it's like
23:44
Speaker 3: a theme throughout. I think it's called Bella's Theme or
23:46
Speaker 3: something like that. And then they're all very cute. The
23:50
Speaker 3: family's excited to meet her, except for Rosalie and except
23:54
Speaker 3: for Jasper, because it turns out Jasper hasn't been a
23:56
Speaker 3: vampire for as long as everybody else and still wants
23:58
Speaker 3: to eat her because she's smells so delicious. And that's
24:01
Speaker 3: the whole thing about him looking like he's gonna vomit
24:04
Speaker 3: is she smells so good compared to like nothing he's
24:08
Speaker 3: ever smelled, that he's tempted to kill her all the time,
24:10
Speaker 3: to eat her all the time. And then in the
24:14
Speaker 3: book they actually have a conversation with Emmett and Edward
24:19
Speaker 3: about he's like, just give in. It's okay, Like I've
24:21
Speaker 3: done it once and yeah, I felt bad, but it's
24:23
Speaker 3: hard man, so go for it, essentially trying to get
24:26
Speaker 3: him to kill Bella and telling his own stories about
24:30
Speaker 3: how he did that, and I was like, what the okay?
24:34
Speaker 3: But yes, So he is always tempted to eat her
24:36
Speaker 3: because she smells amazing, and so everybody's just waiting for
24:40
Speaker 3: that to happen. Half of them are trying to tell
24:42
Speaker 3: him to turn her so he can be with her forever,
24:44
Speaker 3: and half of them are like, no, we got to
24:47
Speaker 3: just leave her alone. She's going to ruin our lives.
24:49
Speaker 3: And in all of these vampires have special abilities, whether
24:53
Speaker 3: it's strength or like making people calm, and for Edward's
24:58
Speaker 3: reading minds, except he can't read her mind. Oh no,
25:01
Speaker 3: of course, because she's that one different girl. And for Alice,
25:05
Speaker 3: she can read the future oftentimes, and she knows that
25:08
Speaker 3: eventually Bella is going to be a part of the family,
25:10
Speaker 3: so she's very happy, excited for her to be a
25:12
Speaker 3: part of the family, so delightful. Moving on, they decide
25:16
Speaker 3: to be together. We have a whole baseball game happening
25:19
Speaker 3: with the loud thunder again, one of the funniest things
25:22
Speaker 3: I think I've ever seen in my life. As well
25:24
Speaker 3: as the fact that we get introduced to the villains
25:27
Speaker 3: of the crew. The three vampires have been coming in
25:29
Speaker 3: eating people left and right and making people missing. And
25:33
Speaker 3: then there's one dude that's a tracker quote unquote, so
25:35
Speaker 3: he loves hunting for fun, and the harder the prey,
25:39
Speaker 3: the better for him. And because he catches Bella's scent,
25:43
Speaker 3: he's like, oh. And then because all of the vampires
25:46
Speaker 3: are proud to protect her, he's like, this is the
25:48
Speaker 3: ultimate game. So Bella is now in danger, which is
25:51
Speaker 3: what Edward was afraid of. And Edward doesn't want to
25:53
Speaker 3: change her humanity, and he doesn't take away from her
25:56
Speaker 3: because he thinks he's a monster all these things, and
25:58
Speaker 3: he's old fashioned, so he's to protect her because you know,
26:01
Speaker 3: of course gotta protect her, she's a weak human woman.
26:05
Speaker 3: Then we go on this whole goose chase about her
26:07
Speaker 3: trying to run away. They go back to Phoenix, which
26:10
Speaker 3: is where she's originally from. She gets tricked into thinking,
26:14
Speaker 3: oh no, my mother's in danger. Oldest trick in that book.
26:17
Speaker 3: Golds and tries to rescue her at a ballet center.
26:20
Speaker 3: And at this ballet center we have the ultimate showdown
26:23
Speaker 3: between this tracker and everybody. She almost dies, she doesn't.
26:27
Speaker 3: Edward almost sets her. He doesn't. He is up saving
26:30
Speaker 3: the day they had this really hilarious ripping up the
26:34
Speaker 3: villain scene. They rip him apart and Burnham and I
26:37
Speaker 3: noticed in this scene you see Alice just dancing at
26:43
Speaker 3: the bonfire for no reason. You do you, Alice, you
26:51
Speaker 3: do you? And then she goes to the hospital where
26:53
Speaker 3: she wakes up and they've made up the story about
26:55
Speaker 3: how clumsy she was and she fell out the window, normal,
26:58
Speaker 3: completely normal. He's so excited and that she's awake, and
27:01
Speaker 3: she decides she just wants to stay at Forks. She
27:04
Speaker 3: doesn't want to go with her parents, her mother to Jacksonville,
27:07
Speaker 3: and then cut two prom where she didn't want to
27:11
Speaker 3: go because she's so clumsy and she's so like hate
27:14
Speaker 3: public and dancing and all that stuff. But anyway, he
27:17
Speaker 3: takes her in a footcast, very cute, sees everybody. Everybody
27:21
Speaker 3: else's paired off, the school friends have all paired off,
27:23
Speaker 3: and everybody's very happy. The final dance scene is where
27:27
Speaker 3: they go to a gazebo where these two couples are
27:29
Speaker 3: dancing to no music because he's not playing the new
27:32
Speaker 3: song yet, but they're dancing happily next to Bella and
27:36
Speaker 3: Edward to Iron and Wine Flightless bird the worst. I
27:42
Speaker 3: can't imagine it being like at what prom? At what prom?
27:48
Speaker 3: But anyway, so that's what we see them, and she's
27:50
Speaker 3: trying to convince him that he eventually she wants to
27:53
Speaker 3: return and be with him forever at the age of seventeen.
27:56
Speaker 3: That's all I know. We know Alice has seen it,
27:58
Speaker 3: do it. And then that's how it kind of ends.
28:01
Speaker 3: And oh yeah. In between all this, Jacob does pop
28:04
Speaker 3: up and does tell a little bit of a story saying, oh,
28:07
Speaker 3: there's a thing between us and the Cullens. They're not
28:09
Speaker 3: allowed on the reservation. And then he doesn't know what's
28:13
Speaker 3: going on, but doesn't believe in any of the legends.
28:15
Speaker 3: He comes to the prom to Warren Bella and say
28:19
Speaker 3: break up with him. Cool, and that's the backstory, and
28:26
Speaker 3: then cut too Radioheads.
28:40
Speaker 1: And then what two more books?
28:43
Speaker 3: Three more it's three more movies, I know, five movies.
28:47
Speaker 3: So it is Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse, Breaking Dawn's part
28:52
Speaker 3: one and two. So they split the last one much
28:55
Speaker 3: like every other anything finale, So they broke it up
29:00
Speaker 3: into two pieces. Stephanie Myers does make some like cameos.
29:09
Speaker 3: She's actually in the diner scene. Who is the writer.
29:12
Speaker 3: She's in the diner scene where we see Charlie and
29:15
Speaker 3: Bella eating and the waitress being like, it's been so long,
29:19
Speaker 3: you're so beautiful, You're so grown up. That whole scene,
29:22
Speaker 3: Stephanie Myers is out the counter eating. Stephanie and Myers
29:25
Speaker 3: was very hands on for this as well as like
29:29
Speaker 3: the soundtrack. It's her soundtrack. So what she said was
29:32
Speaker 3: that these all the songs, most of the songs that
29:34
Speaker 3: you hear are from artists that she was listening to
29:37
Speaker 3: the entire time she was writing these books. And BT Dubbs,
29:40
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before she did write, and I
29:43
Speaker 3: think she just she released a few years ago the
29:46
Speaker 3: Perspective from Edward and I had gotten I ha, I
29:53
Speaker 3: saw that copy of you long, long, long, long time ago.
29:56
Speaker 3: I'm sure I have it around here somewhere. And I
29:57
Speaker 3: don't actually really liked that perspect the better. By the way,
30:02
Speaker 3: I think I forgot to add. He likes to stalk
30:04
Speaker 3: her and would just stand in the bedroom and watch her.
30:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a theme. I have to talk about it. Yes,
30:09
Speaker 1: So we have all that.
30:10
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of themes. But I think
30:11
Speaker 3: one thing I do even though I'm joking and laughing
30:14
Speaker 3: throughout because to me it's so cringe today, and that
30:17
Speaker 3: because I know the caliber of actors that are in there.
30:20
Speaker 3: That's just like wow, wow that most of those actors really,
30:27
Speaker 3: I think looking back out of this film, but it was,
30:31
Speaker 3: it was, It is very entertaining. It is a huge
30:34
Speaker 3: It was a huge hit. It is a huge hit.
30:37
Speaker 3: They definitely got a lot of Prestigian awards, a lot
30:40
Speaker 3: of actors really got a lot of opportunities because of
30:44
Speaker 3: this movie. So no, like real talk, if you love this,
30:49
Speaker 3: if you like this, if you're discovering this again, there's
30:51
Speaker 3: no shame. There's millions of people that are with you
30:55
Speaker 3: and love, love, love this book, loved everything about these character.
31:00
Speaker 3: I think a few of the characters were disappointing, but
31:03
Speaker 3: like people love Robert Pattinson being Edward. People loved Taylor
31:07
Speaker 3: Latner being Jacob. Like it is a cult favorite. Bella
31:12
Speaker 3: will always be Kristin Stewart like all these things. So
31:14
Speaker 3: there's no shame. Like the love for this The fandom
31:18
Speaker 3: for this specific genre and specific book is legit. So
31:23
Speaker 3: even though like I'm making jokes, I was a fan,
31:26
Speaker 3: Like I have to admit, like, I think it's kind
31:28
Speaker 3: of outgrown now and now it's coming back for some
31:31
Speaker 3: of the younger generations once again. But it is so
31:34
Speaker 3: we're not try to like make it seem like it's
31:37
Speaker 3: not legitimate. We're not trying to say any of that
31:39
Speaker 3: because I think it's interesting to the level of like
31:42
Speaker 3: love this can have and the way that it grew
31:45
Speaker 3: that no one knew that it would grow to this level.
31:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that it speaks to how often,
31:54
Speaker 2: which is the point I like to make all the time,
31:56
Speaker 2: we feel very comfortable making fun of what women and
32:00
Speaker 2: girls like, like, oh, this is really silly and it's
32:03
Speaker 2: not worth it, but it does speak to a bunch
32:07
Speaker 2: of people. It is hugely, hugely popular. And I think
32:11
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be the best thing ever to
32:15
Speaker 2: be enjoyable and to be fun, Like I don't think
32:18
Speaker 2: that means we do that all the time for movies
32:19
Speaker 2: that are led by men. I think, like, if it
32:22
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be that, it can be fun and
32:25
Speaker 2: something you just like and it doesn't have to be
32:28
Speaker 2: the best thing.
32:29
Speaker 3: Right And honestly, like for that time I was nannying
32:33
Speaker 3: very like I didn't do anything. I just nannied and
32:35
Speaker 3: hang out with people sometimes this I didn't have a relationship.
32:38
Speaker 3: I wasn't dating people. I was still trying to discover myself, honestly,
32:43
Speaker 3: and this type of entertainment was exciting. It was something
32:47
Speaker 3: exciting and waiting for the next one and trying to
32:50
Speaker 3: get to the next one and in the fandom, and
32:52
Speaker 3: I know you understand this waiting and guessing about who
32:55
Speaker 3: it could be. So before I did get to the books,
32:58
Speaker 3: before it got to be movies, I had whole pictures
33:02
Speaker 3: of who was who, and who's going to be wet
33:05
Speaker 3: and how it's going to be done. I think I
33:07
Speaker 3: even read out loud belliest parts to see if I
33:09
Speaker 3: could pull off the line. I could not. Yes, love,
33:15
Speaker 3: I could not. I wanted to be the protagonist as
33:18
Speaker 3: well the leading lady, but I did not. Am I
33:21
Speaker 3: that clumsy? Yes? Do people find that endaring? No, let's
33:27
Speaker 3: be very honest. Am I cutey? Is sweet? And awkward? No,
33:33
Speaker 3: I'm awkward all of those things. But yeah, I think,
33:40
Speaker 3: like that's definitely something we need to talk about. But like, yeah,
33:42
Speaker 3: one of the themes to this, of course, is that
33:45
Speaker 3: the fantasy, the fantasy of it all, whether it's vampires,
33:49
Speaker 3: and again, we haven't introduced werewolves to this. She makes
33:53
Speaker 3: sure to bounce it out the stories behind each Each
33:56
Speaker 3: of the vampires are different and they don't get released
33:59
Speaker 3: till later either. So Jasper ends up being a Confederate soldier,
34:03
Speaker 3: which is kind of like, oh, okay, but you know
34:06
Speaker 3: that's how we get introduced to him. Oh that's his backstory.
34:11
Speaker 3: Emma ends up being I think he was a hunter
34:14
Speaker 3: who got killed by a bear if I remember correctly.
34:18
Speaker 3: Rosalie her child her. I was like, why did y'all
34:21
Speaker 3: have to do this to her? Like she ended up
34:22
Speaker 3: being murdered and raped by her fiance, Like it's pretty
34:26
Speaker 3: horrific that. I was, like what And she comes back
34:28
Speaker 3: with a vengeance and kills all of them, but like,
34:30
Speaker 3: it's like a damn And I don't know Alice's story. Alice,
34:33
Speaker 3: you don't actually know her backstory. You just know she
34:36
Speaker 3: discovers and finds Jasper. So I don't know much of
34:41
Speaker 3: Alice's story. She's just very like different. And then we
34:44
Speaker 3: find Carlisle story was he is a part of a
34:48
Speaker 3: big coven that's very powerful in the vampire world, but
34:51
Speaker 3: he wanted peace, so he left that and Esme was
34:55
Speaker 3: dying I think from childbirth, I can't quite remember, and
35:02
Speaker 3: he discovered her. So he's always been a doctor because
35:04
Speaker 3: he tried to give back for taking away from humanity
35:07
Speaker 3: by healing humanity. That's his whole thing. So you have
35:10
Speaker 3: all these stories and then later we find all these
35:12
Speaker 3: other vampires coming through, and there's some famous, famous people
35:16
Speaker 3: in this list of vampires. Remi Mellick, who got his
35:21
Speaker 3: big like he starred in the show called Mister Robot,
35:24
Speaker 3: which was like a huge show for a while, and
35:26
Speaker 3: then he was in the Queen movie like he's one
35:31
Speaker 3: oscars now like he was in there for a second.
35:34
Speaker 3: And then we have Michael Sheen, who everybody loves in
35:38
Speaker 3: there for a second. Like you have some big names
35:40
Speaker 3: that came out of nowhere, are like, what is happening?
35:45
Speaker 3: How didn't these people get to be? Like it just
35:49
Speaker 3: got bigger and bigger and bigger. Bryce Stallas Howard, isn't it?
35:52
Speaker 3: And originally she said no, So she was a recast
35:56
Speaker 3: because she was such a bigger name that they wanted her.
35:58
Speaker 3: Originally she said she turned out down, realized how big
36:01
Speaker 3: it was, came back to it. So we have her
36:03
Speaker 3: coming back into it as well. We have I believe
36:07
Speaker 3: it's Dakota Fanning as as well, who plays one of
36:10
Speaker 3: the characters. So like you have some bigger names that
36:13
Speaker 3: come onto this. They're like, yes, is this going to
36:16
Speaker 3: be the new Harry Potter and first franchise. It was huge,
36:21
Speaker 3: But again I think it because it because people were sexist.
36:25
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is only for women. That's why I
36:27
Speaker 3: didn't get the same acclaim as Harry Potter. Necessarily is
36:32
Speaker 3: it as good writing? I would differ and say no,
36:35
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily as inventive. But again, all these things,
36:42
Speaker 3: it got all different awards from like the very like
36:46
Speaker 3: MTV Awards and all these things. So in this level
36:49
Speaker 3: of fantasy, it really did bring in a lot of
36:53
Speaker 3: new people, a lot of interest, and a lot of
36:57
Speaker 3: more love for vampires. Again, you know that's kind of sickle. Well,
37:00
Speaker 3: sometimes it's witches, sometimes it's werewolves. And now and this
37:03
Speaker 3: brought back vampires.
37:05
Speaker 2: Yes, And I remember it brought about a bunch of
37:09
Speaker 2: like why waitmen attracted to vampires?
37:12
Speaker 1: Now, what's going on?
37:14
Speaker 3: We talked about this before, about whoror like you have
37:17
Speaker 3: people a lot of people have one specific thing that
37:21
Speaker 3: they love the most, and for me it was vampires too.
37:23
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know why. I don't know if
37:25
Speaker 3: it was like an interview with a vampire or Lost Boys.
37:29
Speaker 3: I watched that as a kid and loves That's probably
37:31
Speaker 3: one of my favorite horror movies and probably one of
37:33
Speaker 3: the I think, one of the best made vampire movies
37:37
Speaker 3: ever to date. But I have always loved vampires.
37:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because well, like I remembered when this
37:47
Speaker 2: came out, and uh, like when you get kind of
37:52
Speaker 2: the parodies that came out later, like what we do
37:54
Speaker 2: in the Shadows, and they were making fun of like
37:56
Speaker 2: the the glitter and the glitter, the shines skin, the
38:00
Speaker 2: creepy paper. But one of my biggest things about vampires
38:04
Speaker 2: has always been the age difference. Oh yeah, okay, if
38:06
Speaker 2: you're seventeen when you're bitten, you're one hundred years older
38:09
Speaker 2: than her.
38:10
Speaker 3: That's so. But it gets weirder later on when we
38:14
Speaker 3: have the whole imprinting thing that they place on the rails,
38:19
Speaker 3: and then like several of them are have imprinted on
38:22
Speaker 3: toddlers and new worms, and they're all like supposed to
38:26
Speaker 3: be in their late teens or early twenties and they're
38:28
Speaker 3: like what the what the what? Like there's like we
38:33
Speaker 3: there's this level of like I feel like this could
38:35
Speaker 3: be an underlying pedophilic ideal, Like I don't know, I
38:41
Speaker 3: don't know what you're doing or if that's purposeful because
38:44
Speaker 3: all of these people are being matched at such a
38:47
Speaker 3: young age. And then like eventually like when the minute
38:50
Speaker 3: they turn like oh, we're married, and you're like what
38:52
Speaker 3: the hell?
38:53
Speaker 1: Yeah?
38:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sort of those weird like when you
38:57
Speaker 2: like stretch it out over hundreds of years, like sure,
39:02
Speaker 2: if you're two hundred and he's four hundred, what do
39:05
Speaker 2: I know?
39:05
Speaker 1: But like you're getting bitten if you're seventy, what do
39:11
Speaker 1: I That's an age difference I can't comprehend.
39:15
Speaker 3: Again, not to be too realistic, but like I didn't
39:18
Speaker 3: know who I was at seventeen. I've fought I think
39:20
Speaker 3: I started liking myself at late thirties. So what would
39:26
Speaker 3: you want? This as a choice. There's so much of this,
39:29
Speaker 3: but yes, there the themes are there. Obviously, we have
39:32
Speaker 3: the theme of eternity, we have the themes for love,
39:37
Speaker 3: we have the theme for uh hating yourself, self hate,
39:42
Speaker 3: and then also again like this whole protection is there
39:47
Speaker 3: like so many interesting themes, so many interesting tropes. Again,
39:52
Speaker 3: we don't have the triangle yet. That comes in New
39:57
Speaker 3: Moon when we find out the backstory of the reservation
40:01
Speaker 3: of the of the native peoples of the First People's
40:04
Speaker 3: and then but we will have the protective father who
40:07
Speaker 3: is over the top like the character for him. Of course,
40:11
Speaker 3: the person who played this character again, I'm like, probably
40:14
Speaker 3: one of the best actors in this entire thing, Billy Burke.
40:18
Speaker 3: He does a phenomenal job in making it funny, like
40:21
Speaker 3: he is kind of the foil without being a foil here.
40:27
Speaker 3: And the mom's supposed to be much like her flighty, forgetful.
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Speaker 4: And clumsy, which is I guess I think right right,
40:39
Speaker 4: But for sure there is the stalking that came up
40:43
Speaker 4: in our stalking episode. This is a big like watching
40:45
Speaker 4: her sleep. There's also kind of the and I haven't
40:50
Speaker 4: read that so you can correct me, but from one
40:52
Speaker 4: understand there's like a suicidality that comes in, yes, or
40:55
Speaker 4: she's like if I can't be with him, then this
40:57
Speaker 4: is but.
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Speaker 3: That comes in later, but it's not necessarily because she
41:01
Speaker 3: wants to die. It's because those moments of excitement. He
41:06
Speaker 3: comes to her as like a consciousness, and so she
41:09
Speaker 3: wants that so badly. She's willing to risk her life
41:13
Speaker 3: because she's so sad, like this is in book two,
41:17
Speaker 3: because he leaves her right, but he tries to. He
41:19
Speaker 3: wants to die because he hates he hates himself a
41:22
Speaker 3: bar being a monster.
41:23
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, which brings me to my next point. Yes,
41:26
Speaker 2: there's this whole idea of like he keeps saying things
41:29
Speaker 2: like you make me want you so bad. I can't
41:31
Speaker 2: resist you. It like I'm a monster, which I feel
41:35
Speaker 2: is very much our kind of like kind of rip culture,
41:39
Speaker 2: and like I can't resist you.
41:41
Speaker 1: You're the one making me do this.
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Speaker 3: I will give you one thing. Though he resists, he
41:48
Speaker 3: is able to resist. So if he can do it, yeah,
41:51
Speaker 3: why can't men?
41:55
Speaker 2: Right? I, Like I said, I've read this like this
41:58
Speaker 2: is like this is so big and fair, all of this,
42:02
Speaker 2: So I'm not judging.
42:04
Speaker 1: I just think it's good to be like.
42:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when you look at the reality of it,
42:07
Speaker 3: for sure, you're like this is not cute, Like none
42:11
Speaker 3: of none of this is cute. Like again, the stalking,
42:15
Speaker 3: the protecting, the almost dying all the time, the sneaking
42:19
Speaker 3: in the bedroom without permission, like it's there's there's so much,
42:22
Speaker 3: there's so much, and then the lying to the parents
42:24
Speaker 3: and then running away, and then like you're like, again,
42:28
Speaker 3: she's only seventeen. You forget how old they are because
42:33
Speaker 3: you're reading from her perspective, and so therefore you place
42:37
Speaker 3: your own agent to that. And I think when I
42:38
Speaker 3: was reading in I was twenty six. Maybe remember, there's
42:44
Speaker 3: so much of this, and yes, and then we get
42:45
Speaker 3: into the like when we go back to the rest
42:48
Speaker 3: of the book, and the back and forth was she
42:49
Speaker 3: doesn't get to choose. It's a fight between the dudes,
42:52
Speaker 3: and she doesn't get a say hardly the way of jealousy,
42:58
Speaker 3: so much physical touch, these things.
43:11
Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring back the final point about
43:13
Speaker 2: the baby. But I haven't seen this obviously, But I
43:15
Speaker 2: do know about this because I love watching YouTube videos
43:20
Speaker 2: about like the top ten scariest things. This regularly comes
43:24
Speaker 2: up on the top ten scariest movie props. It was
43:27
Speaker 2: the baby in that movie, and they were like quotes
43:30
Speaker 2: from the actors, like I couldn't look into the eye,
43:34
Speaker 2: like the poor.
43:35
Speaker 3: Girl who was supposed to be like and stuff, who
43:39
Speaker 3: is a super beautiful girl, which is why they picked her,
43:41
Speaker 3: Like she's supposed to be super pretty, all these things
43:45
Speaker 3: they used to image for this doll. And it's so
43:50
Speaker 3: bad because what they do is pretty much overlay her
43:54
Speaker 3: actual face onto a bad doll prop and it's not good.
44:04
Speaker 1: It's not good.
44:06
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so not good. Like you really get excited
44:10
Speaker 3: for when she turns the age that she's supposed to
44:12
Speaker 3: be because it's so creepy and they're all like so
44:17
Speaker 3: enamored by her, and I'm like, don't touch that baby.
44:23
Speaker 3: And by the way, she's literally eating her inside, like
44:28
Speaker 3: and the way it describes it is there's a scene
44:31
Speaker 3: where Bella, who is still human at this point, gets
44:35
Speaker 3: impregnated by Edward after they're married. Of course, y'all, they
44:38
Speaker 3: get married. She's on her at eighteen. Right after they graduate,
44:43
Speaker 3: she gets pregnant, which is supposed to be impossible because
44:47
Speaker 3: she is a sucubist at this point, but whatever, and
44:51
Speaker 3: because also he's dead and has no bodily fluids, but
44:54
Speaker 3: yet she gets pregnant.
44:57
Speaker 5: Like freezing they said, hands Okay, anyway, they create this baby,
45:07
Speaker 5: and in this like she's getting you can tell she's
45:10
Speaker 5: getting worn and like she's getting haggard and it is
45:13
Speaker 5: eating away a hair interior.
45:15
Speaker 3: There's a point where she gets some blood because that's
45:17
Speaker 3: the only thing that's actually really satisfying her and making
45:20
Speaker 3: her feel kind of healthy. So they give her like
45:22
Speaker 3: bag of blood. She has it in a cup. She
45:25
Speaker 3: drops the cup. The baby lunges inside of the stomach
45:30
Speaker 3: for this blood and like brace every bone in her
45:33
Speaker 3: body and it's like almost coming out of the uterine sack,
45:36
Speaker 3: like the way it describes it. And then it's almost
45:39
Speaker 3: eating at the uterine sack, is what it's saying. And
45:43
Speaker 3: she does die essentially, and that's why she gets turned
45:45
Speaker 3: because at the point of death is when Edward tries
45:48
Speaker 3: to like bring her back to life because there's no way.
45:50
Speaker 3: So the whole thing back and forth is everybody hates
45:53
Speaker 3: this baby except for Bella and Rosalie, who wanted who's
45:58
Speaker 3: wanted a baby her life. So because she died before
46:03
Speaker 3: she could, all she wanted to be was a mother.
46:05
Speaker 3: This is a big trip to but died before she could.
46:08
Speaker 3: So she feel bitter towards Bella now because she's giving
46:11
Speaker 3: up her humanity and the ability to have children, which
46:14
Speaker 3: is again what but in this they are the only
46:19
Speaker 3: two who are willing to allow this baby to thrive,
46:23
Speaker 3: while everybody else is trying to say abort it. Which
46:25
Speaker 3: I'm like, if it's that strong, can you And by
46:30
Speaker 3: the way, this is a very like pro life stance
46:32
Speaker 3: on this on this movie, on this show, you might
46:36
Speaker 3: which again she's Mormon, so I think, like it makes
46:40
Speaker 3: sense it never says it, but then they never really
46:43
Speaker 3: she never really if I remember correctly. Again, I read
46:46
Speaker 3: it during a time where I was still very conservative,
46:48
Speaker 3: so maybe she never really says anything about abortion as
46:51
Speaker 3: being bad, but like it definitely looks at the but
46:55
Speaker 3: other people want this baby, that whole adoption thing type
46:59
Speaker 3: of thing is. So it's kind of like and for
47:02
Speaker 3: the sake of in the sake of like, yes, sacrifice
47:07
Speaker 3: some other So it's like we can talk about that
47:11
Speaker 3: level like two, but that's that big trope of like
47:14
Speaker 3: trying to be a mother and like what what are
47:16
Speaker 3: you what are you willing to risk to be a mother?
47:20
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't important Tabla until she had the baby.
47:23
Speaker 3: She could feel it, and she could feel it at
47:25
Speaker 3: like week one, by the way, week one, because the
47:29
Speaker 3: baby like grows so quickly, because she is a vampire
47:32
Speaker 3: half vampire. Oh she's half vampire.
47:34
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, I guess that's sure how it works.
47:40
Speaker 3: You do it. But yes, I do want to now
47:48
Speaker 3: make you watch all four or five of the movies.
47:50
Speaker 1: Oh dear, I mean we could?
47:53
Speaker 3: I do.
47:54
Speaker 1: I do want to come.
47:54
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to talk about this specific trope of
47:59
Speaker 2: the relationship in this between because I feel like that
48:04
Speaker 2: is everywhere. Like I was even thinking of True Blood
48:07
Speaker 2: when I was watching this, because you sort of have
48:08
Speaker 2: like your old vampire then you're like kind of innocence.
48:11
Speaker 3: Yes, she's all of them are.
48:14
Speaker 2: Virgins, right, So I kind of want to come back
48:16
Speaker 2: and talk to about that. But I also I wanted
48:18
Speaker 2: to I have my fan fiction update, so I wanted
48:23
Speaker 2: to go back and find the fan fiction that this
48:27
Speaker 2: is basicalry. But it turns out there's a conspiracy theory.
48:31
Speaker 2: So the author says it came to her in a dream. Yes,
48:35
Speaker 2: I've heard that, and a lot of people were like,
48:39
Speaker 2: but I've read this fan fiction, and so there was
48:44
Speaker 2: this big theory, like because if you're like me, you
48:47
Speaker 2: download the fan fiction, then you have it. And so
48:50
Speaker 2: a lot of times when people publish books based off
48:52
Speaker 2: their fan fiction, they delete it. But she's always said,
48:55
Speaker 2: like it came to me in a dream, and people
48:56
Speaker 2: have always been like that, it's this fan fiction.
48:59
Speaker 1: And not only that, there was a theory that it
49:02
Speaker 1: was a my.
49:02
Speaker 2: Chemical Romance fan fiction, but she said, like that influenced it,
49:08
Speaker 2: but was not what it was. And then there was
49:11
Speaker 2: a theory that it was a Buffy the Vampire fan fiction,
49:14
Speaker 2: which it definitely wasn't. But then there was a really
49:17
Speaker 2: funny theory that Harry Potter was a Twilight fan fiction,
49:20
Speaker 2: which is impossible.
49:22
Speaker 1: But I went on this whole thing.
49:27
Speaker 2: I guess the I think a lot of people do
49:29
Speaker 2: confuse Mortal Bones Immortal Bones that is definitely a Harry
49:34
Speaker 2: Potter fan fiction. I feel that I have read this
49:37
Speaker 2: fan fiction. But also fan fiction can be very trophy,
49:41
Speaker 2: so it's possible that it was just the fan fiction
49:42
Speaker 2: that was very similar. She will she has not said, right,
49:46
Speaker 2: but awesome. This led me to a whole other thing
49:49
Speaker 2: where I found books that you don't know are based
49:52
Speaker 2: on fan fiction, and a lot of them are Star Wars,
49:56
Speaker 2: have surprised, but a lot of them are Twilight, so
49:59
Speaker 2: not just fifty s. It's great but there's a bunch
50:02
Speaker 2: of Twilight fan fiction books.
50:05
Speaker 1: Of this list of ten, I think it's four.
50:08
Speaker 3: So anyone that web outside of the.
50:11
Speaker 2: Fifty probably some people would. I think they're outside of
50:16
Speaker 2: I don't really read a lot of romance, Gabriel's Inferno,
50:23
Speaker 2: Simpire Simpre.
50:26
Speaker 3: Which I love supernatural rips on Twilight.
50:31
Speaker 1: Than You're twy hard, Live for your twy hard.
50:35
Speaker 3: Between the Gavin and Rosdelle episode and then that one
50:39
Speaker 3: like that, it's the literal like bringing in Young Girls episode, Yeah,
50:45
Speaker 3: where Jensen turns into a vampire twy hardy one two.
50:50
Speaker 2: Uh huh yeah, yeah, so it's so, I mean it
50:55
Speaker 2: is interesting.
50:57
Speaker 3: Oh no, wait, Gavin Rusdillon was a Criminal Minds episode.
51:00
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Wow, Dairy, that was a moment.
51:04
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think that that's you know, I
51:08
Speaker 2: can't prove either way, but I do think it's going
51:12
Speaker 2: back to what you said and what I say all
51:15
Speaker 2: the time.
51:16
Speaker 1: I think that.
51:18
Speaker 2: The fact that that shouldn't be looked down upon you
51:20
Speaker 2: either way. Fan fiction is great, and this is even
51:25
Speaker 2: though it was more coded towards women, it shouldn't be
51:30
Speaker 2: like that's useless. So that's not something we should talk
51:34
Speaker 2: about it clearly resonated. It spawned all of this other world.
51:38
Speaker 3: Right, she made money so well jokes on us. Yes,
51:44
Speaker 3: you know.
51:44
Speaker 2: I went home this weekend and my mom was like,
51:48
Speaker 2: she heard some piece on NPR and was like, you know,
51:50
Speaker 2: you can make money off your fan fiction. And I
51:52
Speaker 2: was like yeah, and she's like, are you going to
51:55
Speaker 2: try to make money off your fan fiction?
51:56
Speaker 6: And I laughed out loud. For Soul, It's like, that's cute.
52:02
Speaker 6: Was trying to help you? No, just to make some money.
52:10
Speaker 1: But thank you for I guess the assumption that I could.
52:15
Speaker 2: That's amazing. But yeah, this was fun. I'm sure you'll
52:18
Speaker 2: probably wrote me into watching now.
52:20
Speaker 3: I'm determined.
52:23
Speaker 1: This baby and you have to see the baby.
52:26
Speaker 3: You have to see the romance scene.
52:33
Speaker 1: I'm getting anxious.
52:34
Speaker 3: I will say they had the best twist of fight,
52:40
Speaker 3: like one of the fight scenes that I think I've
52:43
Speaker 3: seen on TikTok recently. People were like, oh wow, okay, wow,
52:46
Speaker 3: that was actually genius.
52:48
Speaker 1: Okay, well, well we'll be back.
52:53
Speaker 2: Yes, but in the meantime, we would love to hear
53:00
Speaker 2: out your thoughts on those listeners.
53:02
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53:05
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