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Stay Vigilant and Do Not Lose Focus in 2026 — Weekly Banter | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Hey, for the first time in 2026, Charles and Mike, it's nice to
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chat to you guys again. None.
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I think to be able to answer that we have to, we have to look
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at 2025 for for UK column as well as the rest of the world.
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I think our feeling from 2025 is that it was a big, it was a
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really big success, really big operational success because we
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did, we set out to do a whole lot of new things and to do more
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of some of the same things. And, and this is a, this is a
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great example. You know, a year ago we weren't
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doing this and now we are and we've added plenty of other
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things as well. And I, I think, I think the main
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thing, you know, that obviously the consideration, let's say for
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me, because I don't have the sort of the legacy in terms of
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time that Mike and obviously Brian have having been involved
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right from the start. But, but clearly the concern
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with, you know, anything like this, whenever you've been doing
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one thing very well for a period of time is, is the moment you
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consider changing other things, is there going to be a, a knock
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on effect? And as far as I'm concerned, no.
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I mean, you know, the, the, the core elements of what UK column
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is all about, what UK column does and what UK column
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delivers. I, I, well, actually, I think
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that's also been enhanced and improved.
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So I mean, my perspective from the inside, but also attempting
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to be viewing objectively from the outside is that what we're
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doing is, is, is both better and more and that's fantastic.
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And so 2026 is, is going to be to, to carry on doing both of
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those things. That's that's my sort of
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nutshell view. Now we shouldn't forget this is
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the 20th birthday this month of, of UK column.
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And so, so one big event this year, which is in September, the
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18th is 18th, 19th and 20th is our, is our 20th birthday party.
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And so we'll be announcing details of that very soon.
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Well, to answer your your segue question, Charles, about the
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world. So let me read something that
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Trump said just before the end of 2025 says, you know, we had
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no wars for four years. We had no wars except we
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defeated ISIS. We defeated ISIS in record time.
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We had no wars. They said he will start a war.
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I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars.
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And and then it goes on. Mr. President, do you have a
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news resolution? And then he said peace, peace on
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Earth. Three days later, he sent 150
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fighters to Venezuela. A whole bunch of people died.
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Now many of the of the mega folks say, oh, that wasn't a
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war. That was that was a What's the
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word they use? An operation, an extraction.
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Yes. I don't even know where to start
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with that German because because, you know, we are
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undoubtedly in a different, a different situation at the
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moment. I mean, frankly, aside from
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what's going on in the United States externally or with the
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United States externally and the fact that they are trampling all
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over international law, it's also what's going on in the
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United States internally. And, you know, a lot of people
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are rightly concerned about immigration into into countries
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and the effect that that's happened having on many
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countries. But Trump has unleashed a
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reinvigorated government agency known as ICE.
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These people are have set themselves up as a paramilitary
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organisation. They run around in unmarked
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vehicles. They don't wear uniforms.
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They are fully masked up. They're heavily armed, and
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they're picking people up off the streets in something that,
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you know, really should not be. This is all happening outside of
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the normal judicial process. It's happening to United States
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citizens as well as to people that have come into the country
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potentially illegally. And but you know, this is
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happening in a way that is reminiscent of the behaviour of
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certain countries in the 20s and the 30s.
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And, you know, the fact that the fact that people might feel that
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migration is an issue that that has to be dealt with shouldn't
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really be giving a pass to this kind of behaviour.
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Because you know, if, if you know the, the, the old, the old
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poem, that's always, you know, it's always brought out under
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these circumstances. But it's absolutely right.
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Because if, if, if any government, any regime in on the
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planet is, is prepared to, to, to behave in a particular way
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with a, a minority group or, or people that they don't like.
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Well, it's very, very easy to find yourself in a position that
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you're not liked by the government.
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And, and so if they're going to do it to them, they're
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absolutely going to do it to you as well.
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And we should be in 2026, deciding what principles we
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stand for, set aside the, the specific issues involved.
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What are the principles that we can agree about and, and you
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know, live and campaign by those principles rather than by,
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rather than letting anybody get away with anything just because
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we happen to not agree with, with the, the target of their
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action. It's, it's really, really
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dangerous what's going on in the United States because it is a
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step along a road which doesn't end in a good place.
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And we're not far behind in the UK and the EUI.
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Mean, Charles, you were saying about repercussions.
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And I mean, it's ridiculous to think that whether or not you
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are arresting, quote unquote, A dictator, there will be
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repercussions. And it's not even about that.
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I mean, Venezuela should be left alone.
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You shouldn't, you shouldn't have licence to just attack
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other countries. And I mean, Trump is now saying
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this about Greenland also. Here's Yeah, I mean, I think I
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would say well before we start looking at meddling in other
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countries, I think attacking anything anyone has.
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Repercussions. Connotations, yeah.
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And and I think that's the that is the massive obstacle that we
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that we've sort of leapt over. It's it's like I'm sure I dare
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say they've all said it at one point.
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But I think Stalin is most off quoted saying that one one death
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is a tragedy and a million is a statistic.
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And I think this is what has happened in, in that the actions
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in fact, on, on Wednesday's news programme, Mike was talking
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about the several effects, sort of psychological effects on
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people. One of them being shut, shut in
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the sorry, shut the door in the face thing, which is where you,
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you're aiming for a particular thing.
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But what you put out there is so much beyond what you're
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expecting that by the time the person accepts it, they think
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it's completely reasonable. I, I, I might not have
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summarised that exactly in the way that you would articulate
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Mike, but you can, you can explain it better in a minute.
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But the the point is that that when you see actions conducted
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via a state that are so outrageous and you know, in a
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way, if we don't talk about the specifics or what may happen as
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a result of Venezuela, but we just simply deal with the fact
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that one country has, as you say, just charged into another
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and just said, right, well, you know, we'll just do this.
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It means that you look so far beyond all the very small scale,
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completely inhuman interactions that are conducted the entire
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time by all sorts of government and non governmental agencies,
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not just in America. I mean, this has been happening
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for years in, in in many, many countries.
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And I think this is to me, this, this reminds me very much of
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what was happening at the beginning of 2020.
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And it wasn't, it wasn't necessarily an interference from
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one country to another, but it was, it was countries, you know,
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beginning to set the set the conditions to be able to
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interfere with their populations in a way that they absolutely
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should never have been able to do, should never have done.
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And, and, and it's simply the the inhumanity of it that is
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quite remarkable. And then and now, you know, six
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years on, you listen to Pete Hegseth, for example, who just
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sounds. I mean, if he wasn't the
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Secretary of State for war or secretary of war or whatever he
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calls it himself, then he'd probably be banged up because
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the the way in which he talks is so it is so unbelievably
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alarming and devoid of any sort of, yeah, I mean, humanity again
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is the word. I think that I would, that I
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would have to choose. It's completely remarkable.
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But what I mean is that by putting all this stuff out
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there, it seems that anything less than that, you know, if
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you're not being sort of shot, bombed, gag, tied up, beaten,
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whatever, then, you know, oh, well, everything else is
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absolutely fine then. And that's not the case at all.
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The, the, the, the lower level interactions and, and, you know,
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look at a lot of the, I mean, I'm, I'm not for one instant
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trying to suggest that sort of, you know, oh, well, actually,
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maybe maybe the wake agenda was right.
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When you look at some of the sweeping changes that the Trump
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administration has made in the past year or so and look at
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actually what the consequences have been, just because it has
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been sort of, you know, one day it was like this and then the
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following day it wasn't an example of that.
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Let's say USAID and the situation in northern
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Mozambique, which has been very unstable for a number of years
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now. No one's really quite sure why.
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I may have mentioned this before, but but a lot of funding
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was cut literally like that. And you know, one may not have
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agreed with the reason for the funding in the 1st place.
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And I'm sure there were all sorts of, you know, nefarious
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plots and ploys and and everything else and blah, blah.
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But the fact is that that an awful lot of let's say, you
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know, sort of innocent civilians were effectively caught up in
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that micro economic effect of there being funding in the 1st
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place. And then that was stopped.
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And so people who are miles away from Donald Trump and have, you
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know, nothing to do with them, frankly, I've had their lives
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profoundly altered by what is effectively a decision that's
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completely devoid of any sort of humanity.
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There's no, there's no regard for the consequences of it.
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So I think those are the sorts of things that get completely
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forgotten about when we talk about, you know, oh, yeah.
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And then we're just going to we're going to obliterate them
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with nuclear weapons. And it's as though anything
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below that threshold is fine. Does that make sense?
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Coming back to the Greenland thing for a second, I mean, that
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whole situation, if it wasn't so serious, would be absolutely
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hilarious because, you know, Trump's saying, well, we need
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Greenland because we're not going to have Russia as a
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neighbour. Well, Alaska, you know, it's,
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it's this is, this is just, it's insanity.
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But what a lot of people have forgotten, a lot of people have
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forgotten is if you remember back a few months, he was
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talking about Canada becoming the 51st state.
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Yes. And, and I think it's Canada is
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the target here because, because what he's doing is encircling
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Canada. If I was living in Canada, I'd
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be getting very nervous at this point, right?
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So, so we've got Alaska, the United States to the South and
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Greenland to the east and Canada's left fully encircled
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more or less. And so he's, he's definitely
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wanting to have control of the, the entire North American
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content continent. The question is, is he also
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wanting control of the entire South American continent?
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And I think that is absolutely the goal.
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They're, they're talking about the, the Western Hemisphere,
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they're talking about their, their hemisphere.
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So I, I think that's, that's absolutely on the cards.
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In the meantime, of course, you know, we're, we're staring down
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the barrel of further military operations, this time in Iran
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with Britain and others closing embassies and removing staff
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from Iran and and Israel actually in preparation for
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whatever the United States has planned in the meantime, Trump's
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saying, well, it looks like the Iranians are not going to
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execute anyone after all. So, so you know, he's, he's
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publicly suggesting that that the, the, the requirement to
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take some kind of military action has passed for, for the,
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for the time being anyway. But of course he could say that
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in one breath and, and hit the button on the next.
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So, you know, it's, it's, he is behaving outside of
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international norms, outside of international law, behaving like
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the the world's bully boy and taking the attitude.
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Well, you know, we've got a trillion dollar a year defence
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budget. We can do whatever we like.
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And of course, in Britain, it's, it's not, you know, we're, we're
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making significant preparations for major conflict as well,
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because the news just out is that we're extending the time
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that reservists are required or you know, what is the, what is
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the retirement date for reservist 55?
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Charles is now going to be 65, something like that.
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So, so you know, although we're sort of typically half baked
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about things, we're clearly moving in a direction and
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frankly, I don't really understand why there isn't a
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heck of a lot more pushback from the general public on it than
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there is I. Mean do you think?
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I agree it is confounding, isn't?
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It Do you think Trump just makes it up as he goes along or do you
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think he's pretty smart or do you think he's been directed?
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I think. I think it can be both.
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I think it can absolutely be both.
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Sorry. What I mean is that I think he,
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he understands. He understands the the people
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around him, those who are basically who know that that
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they're in a situation of complete mutual dependent.
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So Hegseth, for example, there is no possible way he would be
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able to do what he does without Trump as president.
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Equally, Trump can't, can't have these absolutely absurd sort of,
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you know, expressions of, of lunacy without people like
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Hegseth to, to, to do the, the sort of the hard yards getting
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out there and, and telling everyone that they're, you know,
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they're all going to war and peace through strength and all
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that sort of stuff. So they, I think, I think he
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understands very well the people around him and, and his, his
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voting base as well. So I think I think that that is
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a massive enabler of being able to do what you want.
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But I think also he so he is he is sharp.
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I'm not saying that he's planned all this to the NTH degree and
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that he's following some sort of logical sequence.
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But what I mean is that whenever he does do whatever it is,
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whether it is completely off the wall and whether he's only
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decided it within the last 10 seconds, he knows that that the
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way he articulates it, the way he describes it will work within
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the sort of inner circle of people he has around him.
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And by and large, the voting base.
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And, and this is this exact point in some sentences came up
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on News Extra last week. We're talking about the
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consequences of the action in Venezuela.
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And Vanessa was talking about how actually, you know, the
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American administration is not really going to get what what
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they appear to have wanted out of it and this that and the
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other. And whilst I absolutely take her
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point about this, my point was yes, but no one has actually
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stuck your head above the purple and said you just can't do that.
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That's just not no, it's just not on.
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So the the point is that Trump has demonstrated not just to
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himself but to the rest of the world that he can, on the one
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hand say that he's playing for peace in Russia, Ukraine.
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And you know, they're not to do that.
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They're not to do this whilst on exactly the same moment, make an
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extraterritorial incursion into a foreign land and scoop up the
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president and his wife and no one says anything.
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So he's just, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they come
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away with nothing, if he has to hand Maduro back any of that
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because he can now spin it to his advantage and say yes, well,
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this is my conscious choice to do that.
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I'm now going to decide. Waste of time.
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Actually, I thought I was going to get this and the other, I
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don't want it. And this goes back to
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everything's just very, very simple.
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And I mean, on a sort of lighthearted note, it's
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ridiculous. He seems, it seems like his
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entire, the sort of basis for not just his character, but his,
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his sort of ability as a, as a politician is just based on
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having played two board games his whole life, you know, from
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childhood, Monopoly and Risk. This is like to him, everything
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just looks like that. You know, you either you either
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buy it or you attack it and that's it.
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That's that's that's how it works.
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But I mean, how much of it is Trump and how much of it is
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actually from higher up? I mean, in a way, is Trump not
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just a placeholder? I think that I think there are
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plenty of people around him that know how to play him like a
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fiddle. He has an ego the size of the
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planet. It's a very fragile ego.
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And so, you know, I think also he doesn't have, I think he
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probably has an attention span of a of a mute and he is.
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That is that long or short. Well, indeed, not sure, but but
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anyway, you know, the point is the point is he is I I don't
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disagree with that anything that Charles said there, but I think
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I think there's there's definitely he's definitely being
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played and in in many ways. But what's fascinating to me as
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well is that. Or at least one of the
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suggestions that that he's being played is, is how the, although
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the, the, the rhetoric from the UK and the EU is still one of,
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well, we can't rely on Trump. And so we've got to get our own
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stuff together. You know what I was going to say
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there, but but you know, they're not criticising him, which I
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find very fascinating because because they were absolutely
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criticising every opportunity in the past.
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So so you know that he is that they may say on the, you know,
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in one breath, or we support international law, but you know,
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we understand why Trump did this and we supported in principle
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and all this kind of stuff. So, so he's, he's, he's been
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given a pass by by the, the the rest of the, the G7 and I think
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that that should probably tell us quite a bit about who's
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helping drive this, this agenda that's coming out of the United
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States. I was.
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Having a conversation a few days ago about him to some classic
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quote unquote conservatives and they they fall into the trap,
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Mike, they fall into the trap because it's Trump.
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He knows what he's doing. And they literally say he's
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going to save us. He's going to change the world
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for the better. I literally heard those words.
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And and I wonder, like, you know, maybe we need to have the
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COVID era again, you know, just to rattle and shake some of
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these people. I think the COVID era is maybe
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was maybe part and parcel of why people are thinking this way.
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People found that experience extremely disturbing, extremely
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scary in many cases. And what they're dying for is
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someone to come along and save the day.
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And Trump said many of the right things at the right time to, to
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surf that wave of, of support. And so it becomes very difficult
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then to have a, an objective, rational discussion about them
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because, you know, this, this phrase, Trump derangement
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syndrome appeared. Anybody that criticises Trump
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is, is either woke or deranged. And now we're hearing, now we're
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hearing, you know, Farage derangement syndrome or, or
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Reformed arrangement syndrome being bandied about.
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And then we've we carried a, a video clip of Alex Karp on
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Wednesday's news programme. I think it was is it was kind of
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wrong with him where the interviewer was, was talking
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about, you know, Israel Derangement Syndrome.
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So, you know, this is, this is the new tactic for simply
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shutting down any, any attempt to have an objective
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conversation about what somebody's doing.
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The, the fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not,
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Trump and his entire financial support base is the billionaire
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class. It's the same people that are
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pushing digital ID and AI and all of the kinds of things that
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that the people that came out the other side of COVID as a, as
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a sort of freedom advocate are, are claiming to, to fight
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against. But, but the, but they can't,
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they don't seem to be able to separate Trump from, you know,
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they can't, they can't grasp the fact that he, he and everybody
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around him, all his financial support base is the same people
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that are pushing the types of agendas that they're fighting
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against. So, so this this cognitive
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dissonance I don't I just can't get to grips with because you
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know, anybody that highlights that will get attacked.
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Have you seen the same child? The.
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Dissonance, size of it, Yeah. I mean, I think from a, from a
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British perspective, I mean, it's been made very, very stark
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in the last couple of days because the equivalent, and, and
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I'm not making a direct comparison, of course, but, but
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like Mike refers to the equivalent in the United Kingdom
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of the, the, the, the knight on the white charger who will save
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us all is Nigel Farage with his at the moment, his Reform UK
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political party. And of course, I can understand
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exactly why people are keen that there is a solution to the
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problem that doesn't require a wholesale breakdown of, of the
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system as we know it. So, so if there were a solution
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through the ballot box and we could just rock up at the
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general election and sort it out all, then, you know, that would
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be so much easier. So I can totally understand why
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the sort of traditional route of thinking like, well, you know,
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Labour absolutely useless, Conservatives even worse, you
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know, and here's reform. They're saying, they're saying
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they're saying a lot of the right things about this that and
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the other and, and I think that's going to work.
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And The thing is that if if you take that view, and this is, I
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think this is absolutely what's happened in the United States,
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what people are doing is then giving up on any further
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analysis of the situation. So it then doesn't matter what
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that person or that organisation does.
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And the most stark example of this has been in the last couple
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of days, because let's say for the sake of argument that there
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is quite a big crossover. In actual fact, this is pure
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speculation, but I would have said that the people who were
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fed up with the sort of uni party line from the successive
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Conservative and Labour government about, you know,
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policy on climate or digital idea, any of these sorts of
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things that are all again tied up in, in the agenda.
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And the the, the sort of ideology that's described as
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woke. I think there's quite a big
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overlap between those people who sort of reject that, who also
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rejected what was being done in the COVID era, and also
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specifically with the attempts to force people to take
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pharmaceutical products, vaccines specifically, COVID
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vaccines even more specifically. So if you've got a relatively
27:04
large overlap between, it doesn't matter how you describe
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basically people who either didn't want to take a COVID jab
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or realise that there was an inherent danger in doing so.
27:15
And that they form a significant part of reforms base.
27:20
They, they have literally just taken on Nadeem Zahawi, who was
27:25
for the Conservative government, the vaccines minister during
27:29
that COVID period. So he, he was OK, obviously he's
27:34
just a bit part player, but I mean, he was the mouthpiece for,
27:38
for the, you know, you have to take this drug.
27:41
I don't know what's in it. I don't know whether it's going
27:42
to kill you or not, but you have to take this drug.
27:45
And if you don't, there will be consequences.
27:47
You know, that that was his persona and he's just been taken
27:51
on by reform and yet still, OK. I mean, perhaps there has been a
27:55
reaction against that, but but if there has, I think I can
27:59
guarantee that it would have only been a fairly small
28:01
reaction against it. And that is that is beyond
28:05
doubt. And a perfect example of
28:08
cognitive dissonance is specifically where this idea of
28:12
a sort of a white hat or, or whatever, you know, however
28:14
these ridiculous people are described is.
28:18
And and that's, you know, that that's, that is actually pretty
28:22
alarming because it's, it's showing that not just the people
28:26
switching off their, their ability to think critically, but
28:30
they're also entirely switching off the idea that they have any
28:35
control over their own destiny whatsoever.
28:38
An addendum to my question about whether or not Trump makes it up
28:42
as it goes along is when you say such ridiculous things like
28:50
we're going to take over Greenland, I wonder if that is
28:53
also highly strategic in the sense that even if it doesn't
28:57
happen and something happens along the way, that is more than
29:01
what he began with. Yeah, well, that's exactly what
29:06
Mike was talking about yesterday.
29:09
Mike. Sorry.
29:10
Wednesday. Rather, what were the three
29:13
things that was the shut the door in the face, the contrast?
29:16
What was the other one? Don't do that to me because.
29:22
I can remember the picture of the contrast one, the other one
29:25
was the. Well, the offer to the window
29:27
was. The opening, that's the second
29:29
one. Yeah, Yeah, that's right.
29:29
Yeah, yeah. And so, and then there was a
29:33
third one that I, that I can't remember the details off, but
29:37
off the top of my head. But, but I mean, basically what
29:38
it boils down to is that you, you massively overstep your,
29:43
your original intention and, and announce something which is,
29:47
which is going to generate a huge amount of opposition.
29:50
And then you pull back from that position and, and people will
29:54
accept the, the compromise in general.
29:58
And this is how they do it once, you know, incremental changes.
30:02
But, but they do it using, I mean, it is using applied
30:05
psychology at the end of the day to, to, to achieve goals.
30:11
But it is, you know, this is the, the problem if we for the
30:15
reason we were talking about this was because of, of the
30:18
claimed U turn by the, by the Starmer regime on digital ID.
30:22
So, so you know, he, he announced originally that it
30:26
would be mandatory for anybody coming into this country to have
30:30
digital ID and that they would not be able to get employment
30:34
until they had their digital ID in place.
30:38
And then he has pulled back from that and said, well, no, it'll
30:41
be, it'll be just purely voluntary now, purely optional.
30:47
And of course, because because he's done that, there was quite
30:50
a bit of momentum building in, in the campaigns against digital
30:55
ID. And for the majority of people
30:57
now they will go back to sleep because it's voluntary.
31:01
I don't have to do it. I'll, I'll just not bother.
31:05
And then then it's not a problem.
31:06
But of course that's not how it works because although there
31:10
won't be a government mandate for, for this, it will become a,
31:14
a mandate through, it's already becoming a mandate through age
31:18
assurance by the Online Safety Act.
31:23
And there'll be other mechanisms.
31:24
I mean, obviously we've Companies House, anybody that's
31:27
a company director is required to identify themselves and, and
31:31
effectively join the UK government's one login system,
31:35
which is, which is a digital ID system.
31:39
And you know, so, so this is, this is a step along along the
31:44
way. But because he's done this in
31:45
the way that he's done it. And the same with inheritance
31:48
tax for farmers, because he, because he made a statement
31:51
about who was going to have to pay inheritance tax, and then
31:54
he's pulled back from that to, to increase the threshold of
31:57
the, it hasn't actually taken effect yet.
32:01
So you know that that pulls the momentum out of any opposition
32:05
and and makes people relax. And people should not be
32:08
relaxing at this point. They should be doubling down on
32:11
the opposition to the entire policy because the policy hasn't
32:14
gone away. Digital ID hasn't been scrapped.
32:17
It is still a thing. And it might take them a few
32:21
more years to get to the mandatory point, but mandatory
32:23
digital ID is coming. I mean sub stack has begun with
32:28
it, have you noticed? Yeah, we've been talking about
32:32
that over the last couple of weeks and, and Wednesday's
32:35
programme, Well, Wednesday's programme last week Vanessa
32:37
raised this issue with Sub Stack.
32:39
And then on this week's Wednesday news programme, we had
32:45
Alex Creel on who was the, the, the guy who, who raised the
32:49
issue in the 1st place and, and, and wrote the communication to
32:52
Sub Stack, which was signed by a number of contributors there.
32:56
So, so yeah, absolutely aware of that.
33:00
But it's not just Sub Stack, it's, it's many other, you know,
33:02
YouTube, other platforms as well are rolling this out.
33:06
And, and, but, and this is, this is absolutely indicative of what
33:10
happens because the Ofcom at this point in their framework
33:14
is, is requiring age verification for, for content,
33:18
which is viewed as being for over 18.
33:20
So that's pornography and and suicide related self harm type
33:27
content and but we're seeing platforms applying this to other
33:34
types of content as a form of censorship, which was
33:37
inevitable. It was what was exactly what was
33:40
going to happen. Yeah.
33:42
But something that people I've noticed don't seem to get is
33:48
they think that digital ID will come tomorrow morning, right.
33:53
Today we have digital ID doesn't work like that.
33:55
It creeps but by but, and that's what people need to be aware of
34:01
and when. Every one of these policies
34:03
happens. Yeah, yeah.
34:05
And it finds its way in and eventually you go.
34:07
How did this happen? Yeah, absolutely.
34:11
And has been for years. I mean, I think this is the
34:13
other thing is that if you look back over the last six years in
34:18
particular, I mean in other countries even longer than that,
34:22
but certainly in the UK, this was, this is again where it is,
34:28
it is so very regrettable that people have sort of switched
34:30
back off again because this was so, it was so very obvious that
34:34
this was where everything was going from.
34:36
It was, or rather it was made so obvious in 2020.
34:40
And the one of the examples that you know, I think just shows the
34:44
sort of cynicism of it was in I think it was July, June or July
34:51
2020. There was, there was much
34:53
fanfare about, you know, about the United Kingdom opening up
34:58
again, that people, people would be allowed back out of their
35:00
houses. I mean, I, I really still can't
35:02
believe we're talking about it like this.
35:05
But anyway, as part of that, there was a, there was a sort
35:08
of, you know, confected problem for teenagers, you know.
35:13
Oh, well, I mean, you're all going to want to go to the
35:15
cinema, aren't you? But how on earth are you going
35:18
to prove how old you are? Because, you know, sort of as
35:21
though no one's ever had to do that before.
35:25
And the answer, of course, was, you know, it's just so much
35:28
easier. Why not just show it on your
35:30
smartphone that you have been forced to stare at for the last
35:35
six months because that's where life has gone.
35:39
And so, yeah, the contract for that went to YOTIE.
35:44
What does it stand for your, your online something identity?
35:50
I can't, I can't remember what it means anyway.
35:52
And they've they then had a relationship with the post
35:54
office and then, you know, then the next thing was, was
35:57
landlords and having to get biometrics for tenants to from
36:03
overseas. And then and that, you know, I
36:04
mean, it just and then just went on and on and on and and and of
36:07
course, none of this gets reported.
36:10
And but worse still, you know, we say the, the teenagers who'd
36:13
been forced to stare at smartphones.
36:17
No, no, no, not smart, but smartphones for for the last few
36:21
months of course presumably went in for it in quite big numbers.
36:26
And so that's it to them it's a done deal.
36:31
And and so actually by targeting younger and younger people then
36:38
you, you get over the hill sort of numerically.
36:42
You don't really have to worry about about people of a, of a
36:46
certain age, I would imagine. I mean, this is sort of how it
36:50
works, people. It's exactly like, you know,
36:52
saying it's not going to be mandatory.
36:54
Well, fine, people just get locked out and that's, that
36:58
doesn't need to be a government intervention.
37:01
It's just how the systems have worked because all the corporate
37:05
entities that enable all this stuff have just made it a
37:09
condition and then it's done. That's it.
37:12
The first time I came across Yodi a number of years ago, I
37:16
think it was must have been early 2000's, the, the
37:20
government of the day created a, a savings scheme for children.
37:25
I mean they were trying to encourage, they said they were
37:26
trying to encourage savings for children and they were, you
37:30
know, there was as long as parents committed to putting a
37:34
certain amount of money into that for their children each
37:36
month. There was some government money
37:38
went into that as well, but then kids at the age of 16 were able
37:42
to cash that in because they because that was the age that
37:45
they were no longer able to, to use that account and they were
37:48
required at that, but they wanted to get that money that
37:50
they had saved. They had to, they had to sign up
37:54
with Yodi for digital ID. And I just found that really,
37:58
really despicable. I wonder if we're going to be
38:02
having the same conversation in five years time.
38:08
If we're here, John. Why wouldn't?
38:11
It be at all. I don't mean.
38:13
I don't mean if the UK calms here.
38:14
Well, well, I guess we may have blown ourselves up by then, you
38:19
know, Who knows? Well, I mean, that's I think
38:26
we'll be. Sorry.
38:27
Go on, Charles. Probably a variant of it, I
38:29
think. I think, well, I think it's hard
38:31
to see now. It's OK.
38:34
So actually my position I I am still stunned just just to go
38:42
back to 2020, we're talking about you're talking about the
38:47
if you want to foist something upon the population, you, you
38:51
put out there something that's so much worse than what you
38:53
want. Think what astounded, what
38:57
astounded administrations around the world in 2020 was that in
39:02
suggesting A lockdown which can't at all have been the thing
39:08
they were aiming for, that is what actually happened.
39:11
And that was, it was very revealing that, that that man
39:17
Neil Ferguson with his, with his Dickey calculator, who was in
39:23
charge of everything because he can do some sums, but apparently
39:27
nothing else. He, he said, you know, I mean,
39:31
he, he was quoted in an interview as saying we, we
39:33
really had no idea. I can't, I can't remember quite
39:36
what he says, but it's a paraphrase.
39:38
He said they looked at Italy and to their absolute amazement,
39:42
people did just comply and they stopped doing stuff.
39:45
And so that, so they then took that on.
39:47
So I think I, I'm still sort of reeling from that.
39:51
I can't believe that people did do it by and large, but at the
39:55
same time, I also they can't believe that people like Boris
39:58
Johnson weren't assassinated or had some sort of reaction
40:07
against them because it was it was such an extraordinarily
40:11
dreadful period. And when you think of the things
40:13
that do happen to other people for far in a way far far lesser
40:19
actions that that still. To me is amazing.
40:22
I'm just surprised that nobody was driven quite so crazy as to
40:26
make some sort of action like that.
40:28
By the way, that's not some sort of retrospective incitement.
40:33
But so that was really, that was really weird.
40:36
But but what I think is that those people that did see it for
40:41
what it was and haven't taken their foot off the gas, I think
40:43
now are just diverging, just going further and further away
40:46
from the people who do think that Donald Trump or Nigel
40:50
Farage is a good bloke. So I think in five years time,
40:53
it seems reasonable to assume that that those pathways will be
40:57
more and more divergent and that there will be a greater number
41:02
of people who live properly outside of the system.
41:05
And I think, you know, the word that springs to mind is outlaw.
41:08
I, I think we will live in a world in five years time where
41:11
there is a, where there is a sort of, when I say
41:15
identifiable, actually, ironically, it'd probably not be
41:18
so identifiable because it'd be people who totally sort of
41:21
remove themselves from the system and yet are able to
41:24
demonstrate that it is perfectly possible to work.
41:27
If you're prepared to live the type of life that doesn't
41:33
include any of the supposed sort of comforts and guarantees of
41:36
safety and security that we're promised at the moment.
41:39
I think there'll be a substantial number of people
41:41
who, who've chosen that path, whether, whether that means
41:45
that, you know, if I'm talking about the, the British
41:47
population, whether that means that people will remain in the
41:49
United Kingdom to do such thing. I don't know whether they're
41:52
sort of finding lands elsewhere, but I, but I think people will
41:55
be pushed to that because, because why not?
41:58
I mean, you know, seriously, I, I, I live a a simple life and
42:04
and would happily live an even simpler 1, you know.
42:07
I'm going to say, Charlie, I'm going to push back a little bit
42:09
on that, Charles, because, because, because yes, I'm going
42:12
to say you live a relatively simple life, but you still
42:17
require access to things that that outside of the simple life.
42:25
You still require an Internet connection, You still require to
42:28
use the public highway. You still require, there's a
42:33
whole host of things you still require.
42:35
And, and so, you know, I've been, I've been watching a whole
42:39
bunch of, because obviously in the United States the, the, the
42:42
court system is televised. In the UK, it isn't so much.
42:46
And I've been watching a whole host of, of videos that are
42:50
laughing at the sovereign citizen movement and I'm
42:52
laughing at the sovereign citizen movement as well.
42:55
Not because, not because I think they're not jobs, because I
42:58
don't, you know, clearly they are people that that are doing
43:02
exactly what you're suggesting, Charles, to a certain degree,
43:06
But it's, it's because the fact of the matter is case after case
43:11
after case, they go into court and this and the result is the
43:14
same. They go in and they try to argue
43:16
this court has no jurisdiction. And the court says, yes, we do.
43:20
And the, the sovereign citizen says, no, you don't.
43:23
And the court says contempt go to gaol.
43:25
And that's, that's it. Every case after case after
43:28
case, it's the same scenario. And, and the, the issue here for
43:32
me is that there is no escaping the system.
43:37
There is no staying out of the system because the system
43:39
doesn't want you to do that. And the system will simply use
43:44
its monopoly and violence to deal with you.
43:49
And, and so because, because you know, this, for me, this goes
43:54
back to the, to Michael Go's definition of extreme extremism
44:00
and him including the idea of creating parallel systems.
44:04
Well, this is clearly something that the, that the state fears.
44:10
They fear people removing themselves from this society
44:15
that they have built and, and they will act against those
44:20
people. I believe so.
44:21
So I'm, while I absolutely agree in principle with what you're
44:27
saying, I think in practise we're going to find that it is
44:30
not possible for people to be outlaw in the in, in this
44:35
digital age. Yeah.
44:37
Well, you know, we will see. I think I remain more
44:40
optimistic. I'm certainly not talking about.
44:42
I'm not, you know, I don't mean to suggest that to do so, to
44:47
choose that path means that you're in conflict with the
44:50
state or with anyone else. You're you're simply choosing a
44:53
different life and OK, not knowing enough about it.
44:57
But I think, I think really what I'm talking about is a sort of
45:00
say an Amish model where you have, you know, you, you are to
45:07
all intents and purposes self sufficient and, and just not,
45:11
not reliant upon the state for the things that a lot of people
45:16
are now. And yeah, I mean.
45:18
Well, well, well, but but the difference that I would argue
45:22
there is that the Amish and communities like that, first of
45:27
all, they're communities, they're in one place.
45:29
So, so, you know, the people that are, the people that are
45:32
thinking this way are, are individuals, they're, they're,
45:37
you know, or in small groups and they're spread right across the
45:40
country. Whereas the Amish are in one
45:42
place more or less. And, and so they can support
45:46
each other in ways that that that just aren't there at the
45:49
moment in this country or in, in other parts of the United States
45:53
even. Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
45:55
I mean, this is the hypothesis. I mean, maybe it won't happen,
46:00
but, but, but what I'm saying is I think the psychological effect
46:05
of what is happening and continuing to happen in this
46:11
part of the world is such that I think people will be pushed
46:14
further and further into doing something they probably never
46:18
thought they were going to do. And that to me is the sort of
46:21
the logical progression as opposed to just, you know, I
46:25
mean, I talked about what I thought may have happened in
46:28
2020, for example, with say, the people that appeared to be
46:31
driving this absolutely horrid draconian situation.
46:36
So I mean, I don't think there'll be that sort of
46:38
reaction. What would be the point?
46:40
You know, why would you, why would you take on the, you know,
46:47
the controlling forces with all the all the guns and all the
46:51
sticks? I mean, that doesn't make any
46:52
sense. That's silly.
46:53
So, so you just, you know, you do something else.
46:57
Yes. It appears to me, though, that
46:59
that this is happening, Charles, but it's happening in drips and
47:02
drabs, Yeah. Exactly.
47:06
Yeah, No, I mean, indeed, Yeah, I think so.
47:09
And and and just whether there's yeah.
47:13
Because I, I think the, you know, if we look at it the other
47:15
way, five years time, what if, what if you do stay very much
47:21
inside the system? I mean, you know, there was that
47:23
guy who sort of rather unpleasant conclusion.
47:29
He what did he do? Wrote a document, wrote a book
47:32
and did a documentary on eating junk food.
47:34
Did he call it super size Me? I think.
47:36
And he, he, he basically took every single offer that
47:40
McDonald's made. I haven't read it or seen it,
47:42
but I think that's what happened.
47:43
Sad result was actually he died. But but anyway, if, if, let's
47:48
say every single time there was a suggestion, you know, that had
47:51
the word safe, effective or convenient attached to it and
47:54
you, you took it up. So you, you, you know, you went
47:58
along and had all the jabs, you took all the digital IDs, you
48:01
did all the climate change stuff.
48:03
You know, where, where would that take you?
48:06
What in five years, where are you going to be if that's what
48:09
you've done? So you will have, I mean, it is,
48:13
it is the sort of you will open nothing very debatable as to
48:16
whether you'd be happy. So that's what I mean with the
48:19
with the sort of divergent path. And I think if the rate of
48:25
progress is what it looks like it's going to be.
48:28
And don't forget, you know, in this conversation, the big bit
48:30
that we haven't talked about at all this morning is war.
48:36
And the five years ago we had the, you know, the idea that
48:41
there was a there was a deadly little virus chasing us around
48:44
the place. Well, yeah, fine.
48:47
But when there are actually deadly, properly deadly things
48:52
going on and, and the the idea that an emergency situation
48:57
requires this, that and the other to be done, I think it
49:01
will be, I think the pace of change that people will accept
49:07
could be absolutely staggering. There were threats that
49:12
something big was going to happen in 2026, another attempt
49:16
at a quote unquote pandemic. I remember reading some
49:18
documents about this during the COVID era of spars or whatever
49:23
it was called. I can't remember.
49:24
But they weren't coming from just, you know, random sources.
49:29
They, they, they seemed to have had some sort of clout.
49:33
So imagine if something like that were to happen again.
49:36
And I don't think we should laugh that off.
49:39
I think it's, it's plausible that a big event can be a
49:44
realistic road map for for 2026 of some sort, maybe even a cyber
49:51
war. I mean, I think Trump has been
49:54
threatening a cyber war with Iran, actually.
50:01
We're, we're in a cyber war, we're in an information war,
50:04
we're in a, we're in a whole host of different wars.
50:06
This is a hybrid war that we are in.
50:08
There's no, absolutely no debate about that.
50:11
And you know what, what one of the tactics or sorry, Charles,
50:18
you're going to have to explain the difference between strategy
50:20
and tactics here. But but what, what are the
50:23
mechanisms that they're using it?
50:26
We talked about this because it was, it was in the documentation
50:30
coming out of the COVID thing. Thing was they started using
50:33
this term Poly crisis. And and so the aim, the aim is
50:39
to keep people pressurised, to keep people destabilised, to
50:46
force people into a situation where they are incapable of, of
50:50
working out which way is up anymore.
50:52
And of course, that helps reduce the opposition to whatever it is
50:58
you're doing. And, and it's working.
51:00
It's working because we're seeing division.
51:03
We're seeing people not talking to each other anymore.
51:05
We're seeing a lot of people absolutely withdrawing from the
51:10
fight completely. They're switching off all news,
51:13
not just, not just not mainstream news, not they're
51:15
switching off alternative news. They're switching off
51:17
everything. They're switching off social
51:19
media. And they're trying to pretend
51:21
that none of this is happening right now.
51:23
Of course, by doing that, you are, you're not stopping
51:29
anything from happening, that whatever is coming is coming, no
51:32
matter whether you're paying attention or not.
51:35
And so in the short term, you might get some relief from the
51:38
pressure that's coming on. But in the long term, you're,
51:43
what you've done is, is your voice is no longer being heard
51:47
in opposition to, to, to the policy.
51:50
I, I think in 2026, I'm sorry to say, but I think that we're
51:54
going to see that pressure ramp up even further.
51:58
And so I don't think it's not beyond the realms of possibility
52:01
that they would attempt to play some kind of pandemic game at
52:07
the same time that they're playing some kind of major
52:10
conflict game. And because this is this, this
52:14
war I think is less likely to be generally kinetic.
52:20
It's going to be kinetic in some some places in in some targeted,
52:26
some target populations are going to be receiving very
52:30
unpleasant, having a very unpleasant time as a result of
52:34
of kinetic warfare. But the rest of us are
52:37
absolutely engaged in warfare for our minds.
52:41
And that that is that's how it's going to continue.
52:44
And and of course, for them to keep pushing their war agenda in
52:49
certain parts of the world at at the threshold that they feel
52:54
happy with, they are going to need either, you know, overt
52:59
public support for it or they're going to need people to have
53:02
because keep saying it. He is silent as taken to agree.
53:06
So, so that agreement through silence is, is something that
53:12
they will take to pursue their agendas.
53:15
So, you know, I, I, I absolutely see that 2026 could be, it's
53:20
very likely to be quite a bit tougher mentally and emotionally
53:24
than 2025 was. And many people have not enjoyed
53:29
25. So you don't be optimistic.
53:35
To go back to. Yeah, yeah.
53:38
But no, but but it's we have to, we have to this is, this is OK.
53:41
Yeah, you've. Got to be realistic.
53:42
And The thing is, the point about being realistic and the
53:44
point about engagement with the subject matter and engagement
53:47
with the news and all the rest of it is to be able to consider
53:51
what is actually important. And you know, this goes back to
53:55
the question you asked at the start, talking about Trump and
53:59
this, that and the other and his sort of very outlandish actions
54:03
on the macro level, ensuring that we forget to deal with the
54:08
most important thing, which is just the very basic human
54:11
interactions being done properly.
54:14
And so I think more than ever, there is the necessity to just
54:19
be be decent to one another and to do those things that mean
54:25
that when these potential changes take place, you are just
54:32
better positioned for it because you've got stronger
54:35
relationships with your family, with your friends, with your
54:38
neighbours, and people just know how to look after each other.
54:43
And and you know, the, the blitz spirit is always invoked
54:49
whenever something terrible is about to happen or is happening
54:52
or has happened as though, you know, if you say that people
54:56
were nice to each other at a time where something absolutely
54:58
ghastly was, was happening, it's sort of, you know, the, the
55:02
ghastly thing doesn't seem quite so bad.
55:04
I don't mean to talk about that. And obviously I wasn't there.
55:08
So I don't know exactly what it what it was like, but I think
55:13
people have have absolutely got to buck up and just get on with
55:17
one another and to put aside silly ideological differences
55:27
because because ultimately, you know, it doesn't matter what you
55:32
believe about climate change or gender or any of that stuff.
55:37
If if there is going to be a sustained attack on this country
55:44
by basically by corporations and the government, I mean a
55:49
continuation of it taking Mike's absolute point, then, then it's
55:54
going to affect all of us. You can't, you can't think that
55:56
if you go along with digital ID or getting the next job or
56:01
whatever that life is is sort of going to be better for you.
56:04
That's not that's not really how it works.
56:05
You, you don't get rewarded for compliance at all.
56:10
And I think that's, that's a massive sort of misapprehension.
56:14
I mean, look at look at what happened in the in the COVID
56:18
years, for example. You know, you're seriously going
56:21
to tell me that life was better if you, if you did wear a mask,
56:24
if you did just get on with it and you did spend all your time
56:26
in your house and then you went and got the job somehow, did it
56:28
turn out better for you? I don't, I don't think so.
56:31
I mean, in actual fact, I know for sure it didn't.
56:35
It absolutely worked the other way around, but I think just
56:37
because people might be prone to making the wrong decisions
56:39
doesn't mean we we cut them off and treat them as being any less
56:42
human than the rest of us. Well, I mean, just as we come in
56:46
for a landing, just adding to what you're saying there.
56:48
Charles Scott Adams, who was on my show before I joined UK
56:54
column and by the way was going to join me on UK column.
56:58
We were, we were talking last year, but then he got sick.
57:02
He said on my show that he regretted getting the jab.
57:06
Now I don't know if that had any effect on his death, but it
57:13
could have. Who knows?
57:15
But he certainly said that he made the wrong call.
57:19
So to feed into what you're saying, life was not better for
57:23
complying. Well, I mean, and also, you
57:30
know, is there an example of it ever having been?
57:33
I don't think so. It's just that it's as far as as
57:38
far as the sort of demonstration situation goes, obviously
57:41
examples always made of people who haven't complied and met a
57:44
sticky end as though, you know, that means that therefore
57:49
complying means it always works out better.
57:52
But I'm afraid that's that is not it.
57:54
That is not right. OK.
57:56
But it's the beginning of the year.
57:58
We can't end the conversation with that, with that kind of
58:02
darkness. There's got to be a little bit
58:04
of a, of a silver lining here. Mike, come on.
58:12
The silver lining, The silver lining comes when people choose
58:15
to fight back and, and there there are a host of ways of
58:18
people to to can choose to fight back.
58:21
You know, no matter what, what pessimism I might have expressed
58:26
about, you know, removing ourselves from the system, There
58:30
are so many ways that we can live a better life ourselves.
58:37
And in terms of what we're eating, who we're buying our
58:40
product from to making, it's, it's all about choices at the
58:44
end of the day, germ and, and I think, you know, there's,
58:47
there's a lot we can do to feel better within ourselves because
58:52
of the choices that we make, never mind what's going on
58:55
around us. So, so there's plenty of
58:58
opportunity. And of course, you know, we are
59:01
going to continue to do our best to to make 2026 an interesting
59:08
year from from a media standpoint.
59:10
So, so and and undoubtedly there's going to be a host of
59:15
entertainment coming from there's got to be serious stuff,
59:19
of course, on German warfare, but but a lot of a lot of
59:22
interesting entertaining content as well.
59:24
So, so, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's just having, it's
59:30
just about having the breadth of, of experience and, and
59:35
having a view of the world, which is, which is, you know,
59:38
relative. I mean, I, I am not an unhappy
59:40
person. I'm extremely happy person.
59:42
So, so, you know, I enjoy what I'm doing a lot.
59:45
I feel like I'm, I'm hope I'm making some kind of contribution
59:49
to, to what's going on. And, you know, maybe I'm
59:52
delusional, but you know, in the meantime, it's, it is fun.
59:55
So, so I'm, I'm in, I'm actually not sitting here like a fearful
1:00:01
wobbly Jelly about what's coming in 2026 or 2027 or 2028.
1:00:06
I'm looking forward to it and because it's going to be an
1:00:09
interesting journey no matter what happens.
1:00:12
Yeah, I mean the reason why I was making that comment.
1:00:14
Don't, don't. Sorry, I think, I think there's
1:00:16
a delay. Yeah, guys, I think there's a
1:00:18
delay. There must be a delay because we
1:00:19
keep talking over each other. Yeah, there is a little bit.
1:00:21
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sorry, Charles, I'll let you
1:00:23
come back to that. But what I why I was saying
1:00:25
that, Mike, is because I had a conversation with somebody just
1:00:29
a couple weeks ago. It says, it says to me, why
1:00:31
would you want to have kids? I mean, it's just such a dark,
1:00:34
negative world. And that's what happens when you
1:00:37
get consumed by only pessimism. Yes, yeah, I think, I think
1:00:45
that's really sad if that's, it's really sad for that person
1:00:48
that they don't get the joy of having kids, but as well that
1:00:52
they have that view of the world that they don't feel that they
1:00:54
can bring kids into it. Sorry, Charles.
1:00:59
Yeah, Well, no, no, I mean, I was, I was just going to
1:01:02
reiterate, really, I think this is exactly it.
1:01:04
You know, we look at all these things, we we are informed about
1:01:07
them all. But ultimately all these guys,
1:01:09
Trump, you know, Elon Musk and Larry, they're just people.
1:01:14
They are just people. They they have no special
1:01:16
powers. And, and, you know, to sort of
1:01:21
dismantle their absurd lives is part of the fun.
1:01:26
And why on earth should we be fearful?
1:01:28
You know, Donald Trump's not going to turn up here with his
1:01:31
heavies. And if he does, I mean, what a
1:01:33
great story. It would be absolutely
1:01:34
priceless, so. Was that a challenge?
1:01:38
Yeah. I mean, I'm very happy to invite
1:01:40
him. But yes, I mean, I think, I
1:01:46
think we just, we should always take that, that detached view.
1:01:52
Don't you know, you mustn't consider that absolutely
1:01:55
everything is going to have a direct impact on you.
1:01:57
After all, it is up to you what that impact may be.
1:02:01
And, and that's where we start. You start with your own mind,
1:02:05
and once you're sure of that, you're in a much better place.
1:02:10
All right. Well, with that in mind,
1:02:11
Charles, Mike, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:02:14
Catch up with you next week.