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Bonus Episode: Sasquatch · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown. My guests this week are already losing
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Speaker 2: their ship. I don't know why. I don't. It's not
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Speaker 2: like anything. It's not like anything happened the first time
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Speaker 2: we tried to start this podcast. Jessica didn't almost stupid
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Speaker 2: start an electrical fire with her laptop or anything.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't even that much water.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I don't have a co host this week, but
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Speaker 2: like I said, a couple of guests, my co hosts
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Speaker 2: clack nay, Jessica Singer and Jen Scott say hello everybody.
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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, love you.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, I think I think the adrenaline from me
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Speaker 3: spilling water made my edible hit oh.
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Speaker 2: That's very possible. Well, given the subject matter this week,
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Speaker 2: it's a good time for your edible to.
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Speaker 4: Hit oh for sure.
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Speaker 2: Because we're definitely we're talking about a documentary, a very
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Speaker 2: fun documentary, sort of fun, it gets dark at times
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Speaker 2: I would.
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Speaker 1: Say a good documentary, I wouldn't call it.
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Speaker 3: Parts of it are fun, parts of it are fun,
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Speaker 3: fucking fun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was aggressively fun. I think it's
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Speaker 1: fucking fun fun from Chicago.
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Speaker 5: Maybe Sas go way back the Squatch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're talking about a documentary series on Hulu
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Speaker 2: called Sasquatch. Three episodes around forty five minutes each, not
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Speaker 2: too unwieldy.
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Speaker 5: Can I just say I was so pleased when I Okay,
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Speaker 5: So I thought it was gonna be a movie, and
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Speaker 5: then I saw docu series and I was like, God,
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Speaker 5: damn it. And then I saw it was only three episodes,
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Speaker 5: and I was like, hell, yeah.
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Speaker 1: That is okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that was layered enough where it needed
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Speaker 3: more than one episode.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it needed all three.
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Speaker 3: It could have been two. The last two could have
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Speaker 3: been edited into one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it may be maybe it could.
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Speaker 1: Have been a two hour feature easily.
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Speaker 2: But you gotta expect that these days, everyone wants a
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Speaker 2: series to a Duplas Brothers documentary, So that's a positive sign.
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Speaker 4: They were always try for them.
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Speaker 1: I also heard recently that they nice to work with.
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Speaker 1: I could see that and that makes me happy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah good if so?
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when the.
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Speaker 5: Time I was on set with Mark Duplas and he
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Speaker 5: was reading a hardcover book the entire.
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Speaker 1: Time, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I was like.
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Speaker 5: Mad props, Like he was so into just whatever he
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Speaker 5: was doing.
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Speaker 4: It was fabulous.
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Speaker 2: So this documentary is about an investigative journalist named David
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Speaker 2: hold House. Uh what did everyone think of David hold House?
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Speaker 1: I really liked him.
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Speaker 3: I also liked the reveal as to why he got
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Speaker 3: into investigative journalism that was way later, the thing that
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Speaker 3: happened to when he was a kid. Right, it was
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Speaker 3: a twist I was not expecting. That made everything make
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Speaker 3: way more sense.
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Speaker 1: I really liked David.
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Speaker 5: I thought they did a really good job of establishing
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Speaker 5: that we as the audience, believe him to be a
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Speaker 5: sane like variable, you know what I mean. Like we're like, Okay,
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Speaker 5: this guy gets it, and we think he's a little crazy,
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Speaker 5: but it's all to prove a point.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's also a really good like investigator, Like he
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Speaker 3: always leaves when he asks people questions about things, he
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Speaker 3: always leaves holes in it to make sure that they're
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Speaker 3: both actually talking about the same e That yeah. I
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Speaker 3: really like that where he's like, I'll never name the
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Speaker 3: exact date of something when asking about it.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that he's very objective about it. He's not
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Speaker 2: chasing one theory and just hoping that that theory is
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Speaker 2: going to be true. Like he actually peels back the
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Speaker 2: layers of this because it's a crazy story.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's something that he experienced. And did they
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Speaker 3: ever go over because okay, so it starts.
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Speaker 2: Can I say, yeah, fall set the scene, it's Fall
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three.
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Speaker 4: I's an automatic recreation. I like the animation.
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Speaker 1: I did too. I thought they did a really good
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Speaker 1: job style wise.
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Speaker 2: I like the disclaimer at the beginning that some of
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Speaker 2: the interactions were recreated. It's like, you weren't talking about
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Speaker 2: the animation, I hope, because I picked up that that's
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Speaker 2: not what happened.
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Speaker 4: This animation didn't happen in real life. Just seeing it.
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Speaker 3: And it's like Fall of ninety three and he's going
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Speaker 3: up to northern California in Mendocino County, which is part
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Speaker 3: of the Emerald Triangle that grows all the weeds right
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Speaker 3: after the height of the War on Drugs, and it's
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Speaker 3: like where all the weed farms are that are really
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Speaker 3: great and really terrible.
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Speaker 2: See, I feel like you're already condensing this in the
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Speaker 2: way the documentary should have, Like exactly all you need
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Speaker 2: is after the height of the War on drugs, the
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Speaker 2: War on d Yeah, yeah, that was unnecessary.
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Speaker 1: But we know about the war on drugs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we don't.
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Speaker 4: Maybe we don't.
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Speaker 1: Gen Z you know about it. They know more than
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Speaker 1: we do with some of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, go on.
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Speaker 3: But and there's I just don't know if they ever
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Speaker 3: went over if he was weed farming, it must have
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Speaker 3: been for another article.
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Speaker 1: He must have been investigating something, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But he did say that he did a little
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Speaker 2: work on the farm, like the day after he got there,
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Speaker 2: so he was he was there to work, but also
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Speaker 2: clearly there for a potential article.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I go how farming jobs go. It's just kind
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Speaker 4: of like I'm around, well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you're gonna pick up some sketchy shit.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he was like I'll see something and I'll
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Speaker 3: write about it while.
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Speaker 1: I'm here too, yeaeah.
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Speaker 3: And then a guy busts in who's all methed out
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Speaker 3: and is like sasquatch just pulled apart three men up
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Speaker 3: at this other fucking place.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like that's the beginning, right, that sets the stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is he's basically everything you said he's he's
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Speaker 2: at this weed farm where he's been either working or
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Speaker 2: doing journalist work. And these dudes bust in and go
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Speaker 2: up to the boss of this place and they're like,
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Speaker 2: three dudes are dead. We saw the body's bigfoot, did it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're scared very like.
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Speaker 3: I felt like that was a really important part of
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Speaker 3: it too, like they seem terrified and methed out. And
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Speaker 3: I also thought it was interesting that he's like, I
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Speaker 3: do not tell this story because it's so steady.
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Speaker 5: It was like I never wrote about this because it
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Speaker 5: like actually fucking scared me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that, I mean that's gonna unnerve any person just
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Speaker 2: being in the room when two other people come in
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Speaker 2: and go, hey, I found three people murdered nearby.
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Speaker 1: Not only murdered, ripped apart.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 5: I thought also that this part was funny when they
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Speaker 5: were like establishing the woods and they were trying to
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Speaker 5: make like these beautiful, gorgeous northern California woods that are
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Speaker 5: like so majestic look horrifying, and I was loving it.
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Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, this is seriously one
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Speaker 5: of the prettiest places in the world, and they're like.
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Speaker 4: Show them no trust passing side it is.
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Speaker 1: I've driven through Humble and like that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all weed farm farms, of course, no truspassing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like the redwood, Like they talk about how
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Speaker 3: giant and dense the trees are, and it's like not
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Speaker 3: an exaggeration like.
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Speaker 4: When a corrifier.
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Speaker 1: True, do not know where you are.
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Speaker 3: If you go in there spinning three times, You're not
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Speaker 3: gonna know where the fuck you came from.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, and it is. It's a sketchier area
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Speaker 2: than people give it credit for. It's very pretty, but
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Speaker 2: sometimes you can get murdered in pretty areas too.
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Speaker 3: It always kind of reminded me of o Hi, which
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Speaker 3: was like my little area's version of that, where it's like, wow,
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Speaker 3: it's so beautiful. Wait, there's hippies and races here.
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Speaker 2: It's weird.
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Speaker 4: California just be like that sometimes so strange.
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Speaker 1: NIC's weird.
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Speaker 5: But also I was like, immediately when they said the
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Speaker 5: Emerald Triangle, I was.
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Speaker 4: Like, oh, I've worked with people from up there.
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Speaker 5: People from up there will like be the nicest people
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Speaker 5: in the world to you. But also they will say
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Speaker 5: crazy shit like it is absolutely nothing. Yeah, like yeah,
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Speaker 5: it's just that's just how everyone is up there. So
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Speaker 5: I was like, oh, okay, this is where we are.
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Speaker 1: Got it well, And Jen, you were talking to me
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Speaker 1: about this too.
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Speaker 3: Is like whenever they talk whenever we people from up
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Speaker 3: there talk about their weed land, they're always like.
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Speaker 5: They talk about the land forever, the land and how
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Speaker 5: they fought, how they got the land, and all the
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Speaker 5: things they've had to do to keep the land. And
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Speaker 5: that is usually what they'll tell you in the first
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Speaker 5: five minutes of meeting them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So he's at this farm, this incident happens, and now
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Speaker 2: he starts hearing all these stories about sasquatch and sasquatch
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Speaker 2: and bigfoot type creatures just like harassing the shit out
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Speaker 2: of farmers all around the area. And it turns out
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Speaker 2: to be an important detail that he starts hearing those
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Speaker 2: stories after this killing happens. But that's that's for much
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Speaker 2: later in the documentary. So this documentary is basically about
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Speaker 2: him investigating this story. It's a story that he's been
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Speaker 2: sitting on for a couple of decades.
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Speaker 3: And like the first episode is all Sasquatch based, and
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Speaker 3: it's like finding the history of Sasquatch and people that
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Speaker 3: have seen sasquatch and showing all the footage in the.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it does I think that episode does it,
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Speaker 2: or the first episode does a good job of kind
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Speaker 2: of explaining why it's not that crazy that Yeah, this
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Speaker 2: one was a Sasquatch that did it, why it's reasonable
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Speaker 2: that it would have happened where it did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminded me it was more logical, but reminded
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Speaker 3: me of watching this Flat Earth or stock I watched
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Speaker 3: where they're just like I think we've talked about it actually,
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Speaker 3: but they're just like, this is the way it is
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Speaker 3: and this is why it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know.
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Speaker 3: And I did text Jen when I was watching it
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Speaker 3: that I loved the life partners that believed in Sasquatch.
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Speaker 2: They were amazing the highlight.
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Speaker 1: They were the highlight of the whole doc for me.
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Speaker 1: They were really cute.
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Speaker 3: He was like, you believe the Sasquatch like teleports Like, no,
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Speaker 3: I don't, and they're just so cute.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were really fighting about whether Sasquatch is a
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Speaker 2: real thing or like an alien or a supernatural Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Like what type of sci fi entity sasquatch would fall
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Speaker 5: fall under, like what powers they have? And also I
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Speaker 5: thought it was very different that each group of Sasquatch
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Speaker 5: people talked about sasquatch differently. Yeah, Like I was like, wow,
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Speaker 5: what a creative thing to believe it.
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Speaker 3: My other favorite guy from the first one is the
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Speaker 3: guy that had the footage of sasquatch from nineteen sixty seven,
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Speaker 3: the Cowboy guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Patterson was yeah, and he.
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Speaker 3: And he was like someone was like, hey, have you
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Speaker 3: ever heard of a sasquatch doing anything violent? And he
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Speaker 3: was like, no, They're the nicest, sweetest, most like.
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Speaker 4: They're so gentle and majestic. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: He like talked about it like wasn't that that guy
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Speaker 5: that got eaten by bears grizzly man. Yes, he was
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Speaker 5: like the grizzly Man of.
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Speaker 4: The squat the Squatch people.
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Speaker 5: He was like, they're just so nice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in it. There's a lot of what
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing are really prominent Bigfoot and Sasquatch personalities in here,
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Speaker 2: and I imagine he's, well, he's definitely one of them
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Speaker 2: because he's one of the names attached to one of
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Speaker 2: the most famous Bigfoot videos, which is the Gilman Patterson video. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and he's Gilman.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't talk to Patterson, right.
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Speaker 2: He died, he did, Yeah Bigfoot. Yeah, Bigfoot kills immediately
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Speaker 2: Bigfoot shot him. Weirdly enough, you don't expect it to
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Speaker 2: happen that way, but yeah, weird. So yeah, this, Uh,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff about the history of Mendocino
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Speaker 2: County and the Emerald Triangle, huge concentration of weed farms
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Speaker 2: in that area, and the thing about it, it's it's
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Speaker 2: all deep, deep, deep in the woods. And the thing
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Speaker 2: about the woods is they are the ocean of the
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Speaker 2: land in that we don't really have a reason to
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Speaker 2: be in them, yes, out of there, which makes makes
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Speaker 2: it reasonable that that's where sasquatch would live, because really,
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Speaker 2: all you gotta do to survive in that in those
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Speaker 2: conditions and also stay low key, is develop a really
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Speaker 2: keen sense of smell, because if you're a place where
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Speaker 2: humans never are and you can just instantly smell that
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Speaker 2: there's a human nearby, you just fucking hide. So of
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Speaker 2: course sasquatch lives in the woods. I just figured it
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Speaker 2: all out. But there's also weed farmers out there, and
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Speaker 2: this is this starts out sasquatch. They do talk about
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Speaker 2: sasquatches eating buds off the plants.
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Speaker 4: Like adorable, adorable.
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Speaker 2: He's getting had baby.
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Speaker 5: I love the idea of that just being like a
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Speaker 5: cute snack. And they were really fucking selling me on sasquatch.
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Speaker 1: They really were.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I guess it reminded me of like
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Speaker 3: when people convince me that there's ghosts.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I guess you saw it. I guess
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Speaker 1: it happened. Yeah, yeah, And there's touched my butt. A
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Speaker 1: ghost has touched my shoulder before, that is true.
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Speaker 4: But Adam, I know you're a ghost chaser. Have you
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Speaker 4: been touched by a ghost?
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Speaker 2: No, I've never seen a US. I've never seen a UFO,
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Speaker 2: despite spending a ton of time in New Mexico, So
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Speaker 2: uh whatever, I.
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Speaker 4: Want it too bad.
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Speaker 1: I had it to a certain point.
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Speaker 3: There was like two months where I felt like ghosts
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Speaker 3: kept fucking with me. And then it ended with like
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Speaker 3: I had felt on my shoulder.
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Speaker 4: Realizing she smoked too much, beat all the yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, and then I turned around and it was there
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Speaker 3: outside and I just and then after like three things happened.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I.
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Speaker 3: See you, I hear you, Please leave me alone, and
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Speaker 3: then it didn't.
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Speaker 1: It was freaking me out. That's what I've always been
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Speaker 1: told to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Zach Began's haunted mansion in Las Vegas,
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Speaker 2: and I had heard a long time ago that if
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Speaker 2: you're in the room with a ghost, just say goodbye when.
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Speaker 3: You leave, and yeah, I was them, you want to
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Speaker 3: I want to be nowhere.
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Speaker 4: Saying goodbye bye.
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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, bye bye.
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Speaker 2: Basically every room you exit from now on say goodbye
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Speaker 2: to the ghosts that are there, unless it was like built,
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Speaker 2: you know, just a year or two ago or something
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Speaker 2: like that.
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Speaker 4: Yeam, I did have.
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Speaker 5: The most ghost problems when I was just not like
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Speaker 5: just leaving places like not saying goodbye to anybody, just
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Speaker 5: being that's a trip.
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Speaker 2: We nailed it. That's how you get haunted. You did
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Speaker 2: say goodbye to the ghosts, so I did. I did
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Speaker 2: appreciate that there was a bunch of history about the
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Speaker 2: California gold Rush in this, yes, because it does tie
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Speaker 2: into the how that area turned out to be. But
15:32
Speaker 2: more importantly, we really romanticize the California Gold Rush as
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Speaker 2: if it was not a straight up genocide.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I had never learned it. I learned
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Speaker 3: about you know, I'm from here. I learned about the
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Speaker 3: gold Rush my whole life. They spent like a month
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Speaker 3: on it, and I genuinely had never put two and
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Speaker 3: two together that like, of course they killed a bunch
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Speaker 3: of Indigenous people during the gold Rush. That story has
15:56
Speaker 3: never been told to me that way. And I was like,
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Speaker 3: it felt like such a dumb moment.
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Speaker 5: Guess what if you went to public school and you
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Speaker 5: learned something more than once in history it was a lie.
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Speaker 1: That's usually fucking true.
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Speaker 3: They really tried to hammer in the same ideas every
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Speaker 3: year for certain things.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, gold Rush, Thanksgiving bullshit, and like everything else.
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Speaker 2: I helped write Civil War. Yeah, I helped write and
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Speaker 2: edit two different books that are all about that. When
16:29
Speaker 2: I was at Cracked, we put out two different books
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Speaker 2: that are just about all the things you learned incorrectly
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Speaker 2: in school.
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Speaker 3: I think I might have shared this on here before,
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Speaker 3: but I had a government teacher that was like, let's
16:42
Speaker 3: look at how the Constitution's written in our textbooks, and
16:45
Speaker 3: let's compare it to an actual copy of the Constitution.
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Speaker 3: And he pointed out, like, what parts weren't finished. What
16:51
Speaker 3: parts were like enlarged that like were misleading. Yeah, and
16:55
Speaker 3: then we all researched that they were all made in Texas,
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Speaker 3: like all that.
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Speaker 1: It was like a lot of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all very shady.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, the gold Rush was a genocide.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the gold Rush was a genocide. They touch on
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Speaker 2: that in this documentary and I appreciate that. But let's
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Speaker 2: get back to sasquatch. So splotchy the whole house starts
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Speaker 2: talking and asking people if anyone has sasquatch stories, and
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Speaker 2: at first it seems like no one does, and then
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Speaker 2: he puts a private investigator on the case. I was like, fuck, yes,
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Speaker 2: he's hiring a private investigator to look for sasquatch stories.
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Speaker 1: It's like from these parts too rite.
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Speaker 2: And he does, you know, finally put him in touch
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Speaker 2: with a few different people. This is the point where
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Speaker 2: they start talking to the Bigfoot video guy, the Patterson
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Speaker 2: Gimlin film guy. I think I said his name incorrectly earlier.
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Speaker 2: What do we think of that video?
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Speaker 4: I mean on this video No.
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Speaker 1: I immediately was like, he seems small.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of the end of the first episode. In
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the next episode, is them talking about
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Speaker 2: this video, which when they present it in the first episode,
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Speaker 2: it's with nothing but people who are like I was
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Speaker 2: there standing across the water and it looked at me
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Speaker 2: and it's like he didn't have a British accent. But
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Speaker 2: and then they there across.
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Speaker 3: The water and it turned at me and it's that
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Speaker 3: classic arm back in turn.
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Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, classic, and it was just
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Speaker 5: like it also in nineteen it's nineteen sixty seven is
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Speaker 5: the video?
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Speaker 1: I think it's sixty yeah, and and I'm like, yeah,
18:41
Speaker 1: video quality was terrible in sixty seven, like right blurry
18:45
Speaker 1: was like, wow, you did it.
18:47
Speaker 2: Which would make it easier to fake.
18:49
Speaker 5: Yeah.
18:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:50
Speaker 2: And then they opened the second episode with an interview
18:53
Speaker 2: with a guy who was like, I was in a
18:55
Speaker 2: suit in that video and.
18:57
Speaker 1: He's like five eight. They go further to say that
19:00
Speaker 1: he's like five eight.
19:01
Speaker 4: And we got got honey.
19:03
Speaker 2: And he's like so tricked. He's like, look at my
19:06
Speaker 2: right hip, I'm wearing my jeans. You can see my wallet.
19:09
Speaker 2: And I actually couldn't even at.
19:11
Speaker 4: The bottom of the suit on you couldn't see his wallet.
19:13
Speaker 2: I couldn't see his wallet.
19:15
Speaker 5: Ut me around his ass, your brain just wants to
19:18
Speaker 5: fill in the blanks because it's not clear enough.
19:21
Speaker 1: Yes, that is also very true.
19:23
Speaker 3: But I also love any form of media in which
19:28
Speaker 3: I feel like a magic trick was done and I
19:30
Speaker 3: was tricked, and that's definitely how I felt. The beginning
19:32
Speaker 3: of episode two, Ess go Ahead.
19:34
Speaker 5: Texted me, I feel like I believe in sasquatch the
19:37
Speaker 5: same way I believe in ghosts, and I would like
19:40
Speaker 5: just didn't respond because I was like, wait till the
19:42
Speaker 5: next episode.
19:43
Speaker 3: But that was just I was also obviously smoking during
19:46
Speaker 3: this whole thing, and I thought about that and I
19:49
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like I believe that people believe they've
19:52
Speaker 3: seen it. And then I was like, wait, no, I've
19:54
Speaker 3: had experiences with ghosts, it's not the same.
19:58
Speaker 1: I've never had an experience with a squatch.
20:01
Speaker 5: I have.
20:02
Speaker 2: Stopping before that first episode ends, he gets in touch
20:06
Speaker 2: with a guy who is just awesomely named Razor.
20:10
Speaker 5: Yes.
20:11
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because he's so good at trimming?
20:13
Speaker 4: Oh?
20:14
Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, I wonder if it was if it was
20:17
Speaker 2: like a fake nickname and his real nickname's Blade, And
20:20
Speaker 2: he's like, what you changed? It's a Razor? That's not
20:24
Speaker 2: That's not enough.
20:26
Speaker 4: Razor Scooter.
20:30
Speaker 2: So he does say he remembers hearing this story, and
20:34
Speaker 2: he adds a couple details that there were three Mexican
20:37
Speaker 2: nationals those were the victims, and that they were killed
20:40
Speaker 2: in the area of spy Rock Road, which is as
20:45
Speaker 2: cool of an area as the name implies. If you
20:48
Speaker 2: like danger and potentially being murdered. It's but it sounds
20:54
Speaker 2: it sounds really great. His story seems very believable. And
20:57
Speaker 2: then whole House gets his text from the detective and
21:00
Speaker 2: he's like, I can't do this anymore. We're getting into
21:03
Speaker 2: dangerous territory and it's which, holy shit, did that private
21:07
Speaker 2: investigator talk to a bigfoot who threatened him?
21:11
Speaker 4: Bigfoot mafia?
21:12
Speaker 3: Bigfoot mafia? Yeah, at that point when his life gets threatened.
21:16
Speaker 3: If you fell as if you still think it's squatched, what.
21:19
Speaker 4: Are you doing?
21:20
Speaker 1: Yeah?
21:21
Speaker 2: It would have been funny though, if like a bigfoot
21:23
Speaker 2: lawyer showed up wearing a suit and shit, we will.
21:26
Speaker 1: See you the whole I don't make sure the whole suit.
21:28
Speaker 3: It's just a collar and tie and then it's a
21:31
Speaker 3: little pocket protector in the fir like Chewbacca.
21:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like like like how Chewbacca addressed for the job,
21:40
Speaker 5: for the Chewacca you want, not the.
21:42
Speaker 2: Chewbacca you have. So this private investigator gives up. He's like,
21:49
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not doing this anymore. You're gonna get
21:51
Speaker 2: us both killed by a Sasquatch. And they start getting
21:55
Speaker 2: into spy Rock Road a lot, and this place sounds fascinating.
21:59
Speaker 2: It is apparently controlled by the Hell's Angels, very hard
22:02
Speaker 2: to get to, and there's lots of history. This is
22:06
Speaker 2: they talk about, like some strange murders that have happened there.
22:09
Speaker 2: And this is why I hate that they spend so
22:12
Speaker 2: much time on the War on drugs because it's getting
22:15
Speaker 2: really interesting. And then they talk about the War on
22:17
Speaker 2: drugs for like twenty minutes and it's very distracting.
22:20
Speaker 4: I had a hard time getting through that part. I
22:22
Speaker 4: was like, yep, I do know, I do know about it.
22:25
Speaker 3: Do they talk about immigrants working on weed farms before
22:29
Speaker 3: or after the War on drugs?
22:31
Speaker 2: After? Huh?
22:32
Speaker 4: After?
22:33
Speaker 2: Yeah?
22:33
Speaker 5: And Also I don't feel like they I felt like
22:37
Speaker 5: we'll get to it.
22:38
Speaker 4: I feel like that part was very like glossed over
22:40
Speaker 4: a bit.
22:40
Speaker 1: Me too.
22:41
Speaker 3: I wish they spent the time they did on the
22:43
Speaker 3: War on drugs on immigrants, like trying to find jobs
22:47
Speaker 3: and work.
22:47
Speaker 4: And they maybe they sure they did, and it was
22:50
Speaker 4: really sad. So I just don't remember.
22:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, not that that was a big chunk.
22:54
Speaker 2: But not long after Trump got elected, I remember reading
22:57
Speaker 2: a story about all these northern California farmers who were
23:00
Speaker 2: upset that their farm workers were getting deported, but also
23:03
Speaker 2: they all voted for Trump. It's like, so you thought
23:06
Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna deport your workers, just the bad people.
23:10
Speaker 2: It's like, you fucking idiot.
23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, the spoiler alert, there's like no bad ones. It's
23:15
Speaker 3: all of them that.
23:16
Speaker 1: They're trying to get rid of, exactly. I mean, there's
23:18
Speaker 1: as many bad people as there are of any group.
23:21
Speaker 2: We we understand.
23:22
Speaker 3: I'm painting with my edibles are colliding, sorry.
23:28
Speaker 4: Edible collision. Just what sasquatch would want.
23:33
Speaker 2: Really, So he calls a confidential informant and says, uh, hello,
23:39
Speaker 2: can I speak to and then they bleep it out.
23:41
Speaker 2: So at this point I decided this confidential informant is
23:45
Speaker 2: named fuck because it's like just short enough and it
23:48
Speaker 2: sounds so definitely not chuck, No, it's fuck. Fuck.
23:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:53
Speaker 2: He talks to an informant named fuck. Did anyone catch
23:56
Speaker 2: his motel room. There's just a really brief shot where
23:58
Speaker 2: he's making phone calls in his mo tel room. Yeah,
24:01
Speaker 2: and it's got like an actual glass front door on it.
24:04
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
24:05
Speaker 4: Oh no, it was a very weird vibe of the
24:08
Speaker 4: motel room.
24:08
Speaker 2: That makes me uncomfortable. It was super strange anyway. So
24:14
Speaker 2: this is where they they talk a lot about David
24:17
Speaker 2: holt House himself and about how a lot of his
24:20
Speaker 2: work has been him chasing his own demons in some respect.
24:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
24:27
Speaker 3: I was like, when I first met David and not met,
24:30
Speaker 3: but like in the beginning, I'm like that hair choice.
24:33
Speaker 3: And then they say that he went undercover with skinheads
24:35
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, yeah, I would also wear my
24:37
Speaker 3: hair as long as possible post skinhead.
24:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah investigation. Yeah, that's that's a metaphor right on
24:44
Speaker 2: his fucking head, right.
24:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:46
Speaker 5: I liked how well they portrayed the depth of him
24:49
Speaker 5: in Yeah. And also I thought that it was really
24:52
Speaker 5: good that they got us to trust him before he
24:55
Speaker 5: even revealed any trauma to us, because that would have
24:57
Speaker 5: been the easy thing to do, was to just tell us.
24:59
Speaker 4: What and out the gates.
25:01
Speaker 1: Also, it doesn't.
25:02
Speaker 3: It makes it so his trauma doesn't define him. I
25:04
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes when we learn characters, we learn their
25:06
Speaker 3: trauma first and then that's like who they are, right.
25:09
Speaker 5: And I thought that they did just like a really
25:12
Speaker 5: good job of showing us that he had perspective, so
25:17
Speaker 5: that we were never like I don't know if I
25:19
Speaker 5: trust this main character. We were always with him on
25:22
Speaker 5: the story.
25:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's immediately very likable and trustworthy.
25:28
Speaker 3: He also, I think part of it make him so trustworthy.
25:31
Speaker 3: He's in the beginning, he's like, here's what I do know.
25:33
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I love that he's not like
25:35
Speaker 3: this is what I'm sorting out to find.
25:37
Speaker 1: He's like, let's figure this out because the shit's weird.
25:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, this, it's a story I heard. What
25:42
Speaker 2: do you want me to do?
25:44
Speaker 1: Exactly?
25:45
Speaker 2: It's the story I heard. Yeah, where he shares all
25:47
Speaker 2: that about himself, like he didn't have to do that,
25:50
Speaker 2: Like the documentary would have worked without it, So hundred
25:54
Speaker 2: that's that's an example of them adding stuff that necessarily
25:58
Speaker 2: didn't need to be there. But I'm fine with just
26:00
Speaker 2: like the California gold Rush stuff, Hell yeah, include all
26:03
Speaker 2: that so maybe this episode is better than we said
26:06
Speaker 2: it was. When we first started talking, we were.
26:08
Speaker 4: Just like, we're sad now and we hate it. Back
26:11
Speaker 4: to Sasquatch please.
26:12
Speaker 2: Just could have been a tweet.
26:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:15
Speaker 3: I think it was so like emotionally draining. I mean,
26:17
Speaker 3: it's because they also needed to get stuff done. But
26:19
Speaker 3: I think I took a break like mid episode two
26:22
Speaker 3: for a while, like not in between episodes, but just
26:25
Speaker 3: mid episode two.
26:26
Speaker 1: I was like, let me get away from this.
26:28
Speaker 4: I watched it all the way through, did not stop.
26:32
Speaker 2: I here's the thing. I also thought it was a
26:35
Speaker 2: movie at first, so I didn't start watching it until
26:38
Speaker 2: around nine am this morning, and then once I saw
26:40
Speaker 2: it was three episodes, I was like, shit, am I
26:42
Speaker 2: gonna make it before I have to record?
26:44
Speaker 1: Oh you watched it today?
26:46
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, Oh funny, Yeah it's fresh in my mind.
26:50
Speaker 5: Yeah.
26:50
Speaker 1: I watched it Saturday.
26:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I watched it whatever day. You texted me
26:54
Speaker 4: about it. Saturday, so we had a lot to think about.
26:59
Speaker 2: We get a little bit of foreshadowing into a subject
27:03
Speaker 2: that's going to come up a lot later in this documentary,
27:06
Speaker 2: which is, uh, people are super duper racist. In this
27:10
Speaker 2: part of California. He talks to fuck who tells him
27:14
Speaker 2: a story about two guys from LA who were murdered
27:17
Speaker 2: and buried in the area. And he tells that story
27:20
Speaker 2: incredibly racistly, which here's the thing. Most spellcheck did not
27:26
Speaker 2: correct the word racistly, So apparently that's that's a word. Yeah,
27:30
Speaker 2: that's that's apparently real. You did that very racist.
27:36
Speaker 5: Word.
27:36
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and uh yeah. He drops the N word
27:39
Speaker 2: a couple of times. It's very bad, and it does
27:43
Speaker 2: a good job of demonstrating something that they talk about later,
27:47
Speaker 2: which is how horribly racist that part of the country is,
27:51
Speaker 2: which I think people underestimate. A lot of people want
27:53
Speaker 2: to think that.
27:54
Speaker 5: We think that California is like some utopian, non racist
27:59
Speaker 5: lang and really it is so racist here if you
28:03
Speaker 5: get out of La at all that it's just Trump
28:05
Speaker 5: signs everywhere still.
28:06
Speaker 2: Even in LA. I've never lived somewhere segregated as LA
28:12
Speaker 2: like that, But I mean, I've lived in places that
28:16
Speaker 2: didn't have a ton of people of color, like South Dakota.
28:21
Speaker 2: But even then, it's not like everyone was in one neighborhood,
28:25
Speaker 2: which is what they still really try to do in LA.
28:29
Speaker 2: It's fucked super segregated here.
28:31
Speaker 3: I definitely romanticized the liberalness of the Bay Area before
28:36
Speaker 3: I moved there, and like went there for college. Oh
28:39
Speaker 3: my god, I did even your first year there, and
28:44
Speaker 3: like if you're in your little college bubble, you do
28:46
Speaker 3: think it's like that, yeah, you know. And then I
28:50
Speaker 3: like visited Friends and Humbolt and I was like, yeah,
28:52
Speaker 3: this is gonna be the really hippy Oh yeah.
28:57
Speaker 2: New York is like that also because like New York
29:01
Speaker 2: is always blue in the elections, and people think, oh
29:04
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton fucking super liberal. Nah, Manhattan is liberal, like
29:09
Speaker 2: New York City is liberal. If you go, yeah, forty
29:12
Speaker 2: five minutes north, you get to Upstate New York and
29:15
Speaker 2: that is all racist retired cops. I lived in New
29:19
Speaker 2: York for six months, and I split my time between
29:21
Speaker 2: Manhattan and Upstate New York. And where I lived in
29:24
Speaker 2: Upstate New York was fucking cop Land. And it was
29:28
Speaker 2: the most openly racist place I've ever lived. It fucking
29:33
Speaker 2: sucked anyway.
29:34
Speaker 4: Carthern California, has a similar energy.
29:37
Speaker 5: When I went there for like a weed convention, it
29:42
Speaker 5: is so like they just it's seriously fucked up. The
29:46
Speaker 5: things they'll just say to you, like it's nothing too
29:49
Speaker 5: and it's like they just think that because you're in
29:51
Speaker 5: the same industry as them, maybe like that you understand
29:55
Speaker 5: where they're coming from on stuff. And people will just
29:57
Speaker 5: say really fucked up racist or just like horror, do.
30:00
Speaker 1: You Yeah, Yeah, the weaed industry is not great at all.
30:05
Speaker 4: No, the wead industry is pretty fucked up and racist.
30:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:09
Speaker 3: Is that is that when it starts in the documentary
30:12
Speaker 3: around where we're talking about. Is that where it starts
30:14
Speaker 3: to show, like because I know, it starts to show
30:16
Speaker 3: the migration of people going up north to want to
30:18
Speaker 3: live a free life and like not have running water
30:22
Speaker 3: and be away from things, and then it shows how
30:24
Speaker 3: that a lot of those people also were wielding guns
30:28
Speaker 3: and like.
30:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get into how living in that situation
30:33
Speaker 2: can make you a little crazy. Like it's a very
30:35
Speaker 2: isolated thing.
30:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if you go out with those righteous intentions, Yeah,
30:41
Speaker 3: like you start for forgetting everything when you're super isolated.
30:45
Speaker 4: You know, you still got to protect your crop. Baby.
30:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. Razor talks a lot about that. I liked Razor
30:52
Speaker 2: a lot. He was Yeah, he made a lot of
30:55
Speaker 2: really great points in this documentary whenever he talked and
30:59
Speaker 2: one of the things he brought up about that thing
31:02
Speaker 2: where people would go up initially with like you said,
31:05
Speaker 2: these noble intentions to just grow weed and be a hippie,
31:09
Speaker 2: and then they'd spend one season up there and come
31:11
Speaker 2: back a completely different person, like be it because they
31:15
Speaker 2: had money now, or they had a drug problem now,
31:18
Speaker 2: or something would change them, and then they'd go back
31:21
Speaker 2: the next season.
31:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they.
31:23
Speaker 3: Talk about like needing to do uppers to trim all
31:26
Speaker 3: night long and something like that.
31:28
Speaker 1: Too, which is like, I don't know, I definitely saw
31:31
Speaker 1: that happen to.
31:32
Speaker 3: Some people, Like I personally have seen that happen, and
31:35
Speaker 3: it's gnarly in it.
31:37
Speaker 5: Even with no trauma, trimming is the most mind numbing
31:41
Speaker 5: gig that like, like, even if your job goes perfectly,
31:46
Speaker 5: trimming is so monotonous that you will.
31:50
Speaker 4: Lose it a little bit.
31:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not listening to books the whole time.
31:55
Speaker 2: In it, I felt like that was a really important
31:59
Speaker 2: detail because meth that is a whole like, if you
32:03
Speaker 2: get really strung out on meth, the hallucinations that can
32:06
Speaker 2: happen are really insane. There's all link to it in
32:10
Speaker 2: the notes. I should have sent it to you both
32:12
Speaker 2: so he could watch it. It's this news report. This
32:15
Speaker 2: happened in Omaha. This couple. I think they were just
32:19
Speaker 2: boyfriend and girlfriend. I don't think they were married. They
32:21
Speaker 2: were really young, and they had been smoking meth all
32:24
Speaker 2: day and they at one point called nine to one
32:27
Speaker 2: one and they're like, we're in our apartment in downtown Omaha.
32:31
Speaker 2: It's surrounded by Africans and they will not let us leave.
32:35
Speaker 2: And they end up on the phone with the police
32:38
Speaker 2: for four hours while the police are trying to figure
32:41
Speaker 2: out where they actually are. And they were in the
32:43
Speaker 2: middle of a field like three hours away, freezing to death,
32:48
Speaker 2: and the whole time they're like, we're in our apartment.
32:50
Speaker 2: It's surrounded. So once I heard that people were like
32:53
Speaker 2: smoking a ton of myth, I was like, oh, that
32:55
Speaker 2: might explain the Bigfoot thing too.
32:57
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just some of the descriptions of Bigfoot being
33:02
Speaker 3: like someone's watching you in the forest, like I've I've
33:05
Speaker 3: hallucinated in the forest.
33:08
Speaker 4: You know who I just remembered that we haven't talked
33:11
Speaker 4: about is.
33:11
Speaker 5: That former cop who was crying in his head that
33:16
Speaker 5: was lying that motherfucker. Something else happened and he replaced
33:21
Speaker 5: that memory with a Sasquatch memory.
33:23
Speaker 4: I was like, this dude is fucking lying.
33:27
Speaker 1: Hey, so what was his story again that he just
33:29
Speaker 1: saw I just.
33:30
Speaker 5: Saw one and he started someone in the forest, That's
33:33
Speaker 5: what happened. And they screamed, and that's what happened, because.
33:36
Speaker 3: It was the scream that really made him start fading out. Yeah,
33:39
Speaker 3: totally killed someone in the forest.
33:41
Speaker 2: That was so strange.
33:44
Speaker 1: That was so weird.
33:45
Speaker 2: I've never seen someone talk about being scared the way
33:49
Speaker 2: he talked about being scared.
33:51
Speaker 4: Because that motherfucker was scared of his own mind.
33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really weird. I was because I was
33:58
Speaker 2: like that too much time with that fucking weirdo.
34:01
Speaker 4: I almost want to.
34:02
Speaker 5: Watch that again with the with the knowing that I
34:04
Speaker 5: think he's lying to see if he does the things
34:07
Speaker 5: that liars do, which I'm sure he did, and that's
34:09
Speaker 5: why immediately recognize it, but the whole like I bet
34:11
Speaker 5: he was like looking up and trying to disguise it
34:13
Speaker 5: as crying, which is why it was so dramatic.
34:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, he kept looking straight ahead, like at the road,
34:18
Speaker 3: not at the camera, like trying to find his lies.
34:23
Speaker 2: Yeah that I had it in the notes somewhere, but
34:25
Speaker 2: who knows.
34:26
Speaker 4: Who knows?
34:27
Speaker 2: We did? I think we skipped over it. Yeah that guy.
34:30
Speaker 3: Oh so I'm glad you remembered that, Jen though, because
34:33
Speaker 3: I've locked that out.
34:34
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was so weird.
34:36
Speaker 5: I was like, why would you even agree to go
34:38
Speaker 5: on camera if you were just gonna lie and cry
34:40
Speaker 5: like that. He's been waiting for that opportunity to cover
34:43
Speaker 5: for himself.
34:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to find a body out there. Someday
34:47
Speaker 2: they won't.
34:47
Speaker 1: There's so many bodies.
34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
34:51
Speaker 1: They're gonna find that body.
34:53
Speaker 2: Because again, it's the ocean of the land. Yeah, that's
34:56
Speaker 2: what the woods are. So he has another meeting with
35:00
Speaker 2: the confidential informant, who says, you're looking for those three
35:03
Speaker 2: Mexican guys that killed back in nineteen ninety three. Oh right,
35:09
Speaker 2: and we I don't think we ever learned this guy's name,
35:13
Speaker 2: but he is. He is a very prominent figure in
35:16
Speaker 2: this documentary. He's once again reminded his life might be
35:20
Speaker 2: in danger. And no one wants to talk about this
35:23
Speaker 2: guy except one dude, who is again awesomely named Ghost Dance.
35:28
Speaker 4: That's his name.
35:29
Speaker 2: His name was Ghost Dance.
35:31
Speaker 3: He's one of my favorite talking heads in the whole
35:33
Speaker 3: thing because he doesn't give a shit. He says he's
35:36
Speaker 3: never seen a skutsass watch, so he doesn't believe in it.
35:39
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, well, I've never seen with my
35:41
Speaker 1: two eyes, so no.
35:45
Speaker 2: Which is kind of a sketchy way to approach it,
35:48
Speaker 2: like I've never seen a California condor, but they exist.
35:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's been up there for a long.
35:53
Speaker 2: Time, that's true. One's never come into my store. So
35:59
Speaker 2: he brings up another murder that happened in twenty thirteen,
36:02
Speaker 2: which spins off into a whole other plot line this documentary.
36:09
Speaker 2: It like we're getting we're getting to the point where
36:11
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much more away, but.
36:13
Speaker 5: Ah, but that part was a just goes to show
36:16
Speaker 5: you people get fucking murdered up here, like it's nothing.
36:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a guy named Hugo. He was sleeping
36:22
Speaker 2: in his tent guarding a weed growing spot and someone
36:25
Speaker 2: just shot through the tent.
36:27
Speaker 4: That was the really sad part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:30
Speaker 2: And they interview his niece and she's still super distraught
36:34
Speaker 2: over it.
36:35
Speaker 1: It's so sad.
36:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fucked up.
36:38
Speaker 3: He was the best uncle, that's what she says, it's
36:43
Speaker 3: like so sad.
36:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:46
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's also that meth lady in the car.
36:51
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
36:53
Speaker 5: He meets this lady in a parking lot to talk
36:56
Speaker 5: about the murder, and she talks about a completely differ murder.
37:01
Speaker 2: Again, one that her one that her five year old
37:04
Speaker 2: son witnessed.
37:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. She says that that was so two men were
37:10
Speaker 2: shot and that her son was close enough to it
37:13
Speaker 2: that he got blood spatter on his face and tasted
37:17
Speaker 2: it a little.
37:18
Speaker 3: But I hope he was young enough where he just
37:20
Speaker 3: doesn't remember it.
37:21
Speaker 4: Sounds like she remembers it enough that he remembers it.
37:24
Speaker 2: He was five, so I think that's pretty old.
37:28
Speaker 3: Yeah he remembers, because as if you're like under six,
37:31
Speaker 3: your brain can be like, let's get rid of that.
37:33
Speaker 2: My grandmother on my mom's side died when I was
37:38
Speaker 2: in kindergartener about to go to kindergarten, so I would
37:40
Speaker 2: have been like five, and I vividly remember walking in
37:45
Speaker 2: the living room and seeing my sister just sobbing and like,
37:49
Speaker 2: I don't remember much else, but like that part I
37:52
Speaker 2: think was memory. Yeah. So, man, if you're five and
37:56
Speaker 2: you see two people get shot gunned to death and
37:58
Speaker 2: the blood splatters on your face, and I feel like
38:01
Speaker 2: you're gonna remember it.
38:02
Speaker 5: Also, that lady she got in the car with him
38:06
Speaker 5: for the interview and offered him a hit of meths
38:08
Speaker 5: So just to let you know how like openly people
38:11
Speaker 5: use meth and talk about murder.
38:13
Speaker 3: Oh, and he offered to buy her a drink and
38:16
Speaker 3: she said no and let her meth pipe in the bar.
38:19
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
38:20
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, I like that. I mean, I don't like
38:23
Speaker 2: but it's interesting that this place is so violent and
38:28
Speaker 2: just known, like so scary to people that he even
38:31
Speaker 2: interviews a cop who's like, I'm not going to appear
38:33
Speaker 2: on camera. I fucking killed a cartel guy in a
38:36
Speaker 2: shootout a few years ago.
38:37
Speaker 5: Yeah.
38:37
Speaker 1: Hell no, Like I forgot about that.
38:40
Speaker 2: No one wants to appear on camera.
38:42
Speaker 4: Except not a lot at Yeah.
38:45
Speaker 2: Except except ghost dance.
38:46
Speaker 4: Yes, I didn't do anything.
38:49
Speaker 1: I love ghost dance.
38:50
Speaker 2: And so he goes poking around on Skyrock Road where
38:53
Speaker 2: or Spyrock Road, where.
38:55
Speaker 3: They immediately say don't go there, please please please do
38:59
Speaker 3: not go to.
39:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, then he's there.
39:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:02
Speaker 2: I feel like that's starting to become like a trope
39:06
Speaker 2: in documentaries.
39:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't do it, or they'll.
39:10
Speaker 2: Be interviewing someone who's like, oh, yeah, that person's never
39:14
Speaker 2: going to talk to you. Next scene, that person sitting
39:16
Speaker 2: down for you. It's like always though, yeah yeah, So
39:23
Speaker 2: sure enough, he goes up there and starts asking questions
39:26
Speaker 2: and he's He's told by a few different sources that
39:31
Speaker 2: the murder was ordered by a high level grower, possibly
39:34
Speaker 2: in retaliation for getting the grower's daughter strung out on heroin,
39:38
Speaker 2: and one of about fifty compelling theories that come after this.
39:44
Speaker 5: Yes.
39:45
Speaker 2: One thing we do find out, though, is that the
39:48
Speaker 2: legendary Bigfoot actually the name of a well known weed
39:52
Speaker 2: grower in the area at the time, Bigfoot Gary. Yes,
39:56
Speaker 2: what a great fucking name.
39:58
Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
40:00
Speaker 3: I want to be called Bigfoot Gary.
40:04
Speaker 1: Like I thought big Feet.
40:07
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny enough when they were like,
40:09
Speaker 2: oh yeah, people called him Bigfoot, and then it's the
40:12
Speaker 2: it's the the meth woman who in the car is like,
40:16
Speaker 2: oh Bigfoot, Yeah, I know him. His name is Bigfoot Gary. Yes,
40:21
Speaker 2: that's not as cool.
40:24
Speaker 5: It was so funny though, because they also did a
40:25
Speaker 5: thing that was very documentary e where they were like, yeah,
40:29
Speaker 5: so people keep getting keep saying that there's murders by Bigfoot,
40:33
Speaker 5: and then it's like, so we talked to Bigfoot Gary,
40:37
Speaker 5: so you guys trying to say without saying that big
40:39
Speaker 5: Foot Gary murder these people.
40:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then but then yeah, he's just a yeah,
40:49
Speaker 2: heems like not a murderer.
40:51
Speaker 4: Just not nice.
40:52
Speaker 2: And I think one of the things that might be
40:55
Speaker 2: informing Jen's opinion there is that at one point Bigfoot
40:58
Speaker 2: Gary's wife call and goes, my husband's not a murderer.
41:02
Speaker 2: He's a dick. He's not a murderer.
41:06
Speaker 3: That's the best part. And then he's like, is Bigfoot
41:09
Speaker 3: Gary there? Can I just talk to him? Or she
41:13
Speaker 3: just enhands the phone to like can he talk to you?
41:18
Speaker 2: And he's like, why do they call you Bigfoot? And
41:20
Speaker 2: he's like, I got big feet, what do you want?
41:24
Speaker 4: Well, we eventually find wasn't even there in nineteen ninety three.
41:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, more like Bigfoot, not very there was another Gary.
41:34
Speaker 1: He needed.
41:37
Speaker 4: The other Gary.
41:38
Speaker 2: So yeah, from Gary. From there, like, I don't want
41:42
Speaker 2: to give away too many details from there because spot
41:47
Speaker 2: because it really starts taking some twists and turns, and
41:51
Speaker 2: it seems like what happened is going to be one
41:54
Speaker 2: thing kind of right up to the end, and then
41:57
Speaker 2: what they settle on for an explanation is just wow,
42:02
Speaker 2: so good. It's so good. Granted, probably a hate crime
42:07
Speaker 2: and the people involved are monsters, but oh man, that
42:12
Speaker 2: the meth fueled planning that went into it and the
42:15
Speaker 2: plan they came out of it with amazing.
42:18
Speaker 3: I am so happy I was on this because I
42:21
Speaker 3: wouldn't click something that was called Sasquatch to watch without
42:26
Speaker 3: given some exposition of it, being like this, do you
42:30
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
42:30
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like, oh, a sasquat whatever.
42:32
Speaker 4: Yeah. Once the I was like, what is this going
42:35
Speaker 4: to be? Tone wise?
42:37
Speaker 5: And then the opening was produced by the Duplas Brothers,
42:39
Speaker 5: and I was like, I'm fucking.
42:41
Speaker 3: In, Yeah, I'll watch anything those fuckers make.
42:45
Speaker 1: I really really will.
42:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I actually didn't know this was a Duplas
42:50
Speaker 2: Brothers thing until I started watching it, and then I
42:53
Speaker 2: was like, oh, fuck, yeah, this is gonna be good.
42:55
Speaker 5: What do you think their homes look like? Just like
42:57
Speaker 5: conspiracies all over the place.
42:59
Speaker 2: What if they live in that motel room from room
43:01
Speaker 2: one oh four?
43:02
Speaker 4: Probably?
43:03
Speaker 3: Well, Mark's marrying to what's her name, who's really funny,
43:06
Speaker 3: And I feel like she just keeps she's.
43:07
Speaker 4: Really dissecting my joke that.
43:09
Speaker 2: I just did.
43:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I started to really think about what their houses
43:13
Speaker 3: look like, and I'm like, I feel like very clean.
43:15
Speaker 2: I looked up their wedding registry online.
43:18
Speaker 4: They're rich, so definitely.
43:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you're rich and don't have a
43:23
Speaker 2: clean house.
43:24
Speaker 1: Assignment series can be rich and not have a clean house.
43:27
Speaker 2: No, no, I said, if you're rich and don't have
43:29
Speaker 2: a clean house, what do you do? Yeah? What is
43:32
Speaker 2: wrong with you?
43:33
Speaker 1: Yeah?
43:34
Speaker 2: You could be employing people?
43:36
Speaker 5: Are really you're taking away jobs with your messy house.
43:40
Speaker 4: Being rich.
43:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like actors who do their own stunts. It's
43:44
Speaker 2: like you selfish prick. Let a stunt person ask, So
43:48
Speaker 2: what did what did we think of this documentary? All around?
43:52
Speaker 4: I thought it was really fun as I sat up top.
43:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd give it like eight and a half or
43:57
Speaker 3: a nine out of ten.
43:58
Speaker 1: Honestly, I really really enjoyed it.
44:01
Speaker 5: Also for the dark like what darkness is in it?
44:05
Speaker 5: They still do a really good job of presenting it
44:07
Speaker 5: that it made me not super depressed because it was
44:10
Speaker 5: a lot of again stuff that, like you already know
44:13
Speaker 5: is a systemic issue.
44:15
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, and it's I mean, the racism is
44:18
Speaker 2: a problem, and it is like I'm.
44:21
Speaker 4: Already super depressed about things that were brought to attention
44:24
Speaker 4: in this.
44:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was pretty well executed. I
44:29
Speaker 2: do think it was a little too long, but I mean,
44:32
Speaker 2: at least it wasn't six episodes, which.
44:34
Speaker 5: Is why, right, God, it could have been too They
44:36
Speaker 5: could have really stretched a bitch out and had more
44:39
Speaker 5: interviews and shit.
44:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it also could have been a ninety minute documentary.
44:43
Speaker 2: Yes, uh yeah, I could have seen a different filmmaker,
44:48
Speaker 2: like trying to make all those different theories into one episode,
44:53
Speaker 2: so you're like following like the rape theory or the
44:56
Speaker 2: I don't want to give away all the theories. But
44:58
Speaker 2: and then you get to the end of the episode
45:00
Speaker 2: and they're like, it wasn't that, we'll talk about it different,
45:02
Speaker 2: when next time it's like, fucking don't bore us. Get
45:04
Speaker 2: to the chorus. So I appreciated that this wasn't that long.
45:08
Speaker 2: I thought everyone in it was relatively likable, except for
45:12
Speaker 2: a bunch of the criminals who seem like some racist fucks. Yes,
45:16
Speaker 2: most of the talking heads are fine, except the sob
45:19
Speaker 2: and cop who uh.
45:20
Speaker 5: And also I liked that nobody who is bad is glamorized.
45:25
Speaker 5: It's no glamorization of anything happening that was terrible, which
45:30
Speaker 5: is really refreshing because I feel like so many documentaries
45:34
Speaker 5: like glamorize horrible murder.
45:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sure doe, And.
45:38
Speaker 4: It was very much not that in this. It was
45:40
Speaker 4: a very let's get down to business.
45:43
Speaker 1: I agree.
45:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't end the way you're expecting. I
45:47
Speaker 2: would say I did, actually though, at one point watching it,
45:51
Speaker 2: have that thought like is this what they're doing? Like
45:54
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say, but I did have
45:56
Speaker 2: have the thought that maybe maybe they just you know,
45:59
Speaker 2: I don't ever. Will everyone go watch this? Please? Everyone
46:03
Speaker 2: tweet at us so we can talk about it with you.
46:06
Speaker 2: We'll have all of you.
46:08
Speaker 3: About it more, and we'll talk about the ending maybe
46:10
Speaker 3: on trend pony.
46:11
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean just an idea.
46:18
Speaker 4: I like it.
46:19
Speaker 2: Why did you say idea like that?
46:21
Speaker 4: I I.
46:25
Speaker 3: Don't know.
46:25
Speaker 1: I've been talking for like four hours.
46:29
Speaker 2: That's a good point. We should probably wrap this up.
46:33
Speaker 2: What do we have to plug? You should listen to
46:35
Speaker 2: trend Pony on the on Pops network Patreon dot com,
46:39
Speaker 2: slash on pops or on pops Network, dot Supercass, dot
46:41
Speaker 2: TECHU if you if you're not listening to it, hey
46:44
Speaker 2: fuck you.
46:45
Speaker 3: Uh.
46:45
Speaker 2: It's a podcast I host with Jessica Singer and Jen
46:48
Speaker 2: Scott our guests today. That's them. We should maybe record
46:53
Speaker 2: another episode of that soon, like me?
46:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
46:57
Speaker 3: I leave for Kastrika on Thursday Saturday.
47:01
Speaker 4: We're into scheduling. Plug everybody, she's leaving the country.
47:06
Speaker 2: Uh, Jessica, what do you have to plug?
47:08
Speaker 1: Jen and I are on a show in Chicago. Oh,
47:11
Speaker 1: go on on August.
47:14
Speaker 3: On August twenty fifth, please come to that. It's Women
47:17
Speaker 3: Crush Wednesdays at my Buddy Chicago. I've never been to Chicago.
47:22
Speaker 3: Jenna's from Chicago.
47:24
Speaker 2: True, Chicago's great.
47:26
Speaker 1: We're gonna have so much fun. And I don't have
47:28
Speaker 1: any shows in LA but I.
47:30
Speaker 4: Do, I do I have? What when is this coming out?
47:34
Speaker 2: I have tomorrow? Oh?
47:36
Speaker 4: Great?
47:37
Speaker 3: Uh?
47:37
Speaker 4: Great, great great.
47:38
Speaker 5: I have Chirp and Turf, which is August twelfth, a Thursday.
47:45
Speaker 5: I have a show in San Clemente on the thirteenth.
47:49
Speaker 5: Then you can check my instagram for more because there's
47:52
Speaker 5: definitely more.
47:53
Speaker 1: Woo who woo.
47:54
Speaker 3: Uh?
47:55
Speaker 2: I don't have any shows. Don't don't come see me,
47:58
Speaker 2: don't come find me, find him. I'm still staying inside.
48:02
Speaker 2: Uh all right, let's get the fuck out of here.
48:07
Speaker 2: Jessica say goodbye bye, jan say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye everybody,
48:13
Speaker 2: we love you.