Latest / Best of the NFL Podcast Network / The Season with Peter Schrager: Buffalo Bills OC Ken Dorsey Stops By, Peter’s Saturday with the McVays in LA, Thoughts on Seattle’s Amazing 2022 Draft Class, and Daniel Jones’ Future in New York

Transcript

The Season with Peter Schrager: Buffalo Bills OC Ken Dorsey Stops By, Peter’s Saturday with the McVays in LA, Thoughts on Seattle’s Amazing 2022 Draft Class, and Daniel Jones’ Future in New York · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

0:07
Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreger as a production of the
0:09
Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, It's the
0:24
Speaker 1: Season with Peter Schreger. I'm Peter Schreger. So fired up
0:29
Speaker 1: to be with you again this week with another podcast episode.
0:32
Speaker 1: Last week we had on Paul Rudd, the comedian, the actor,
0:37
Speaker 1: the Chiefs fan, and the response has been awesome. I'm
0:40
Speaker 1: joined here by my guy, Aaron. Aaron as our producer
0:45
Speaker 1: extraordinaire who was here for the Rudd podcast. What what
0:48
Speaker 1: was your favorite moment and what has been the takeaway
0:50
Speaker 1: since we've had him on last week and gave us
0:53
Speaker 1: ninety minutes of his time. I loved it. He was incredible,
0:57
Speaker 1: not only like on talking about the other celebs that
1:00
Speaker 1: you called out, I mean I loved the fact that
1:04
Speaker 1: um talking about the Broadway show he did and he's like,
1:06
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then just the other guy who was
1:07
Speaker 1: in the show with me, you know, Bradley Cooper. It
1:10
Speaker 1: was just like he was so good. And then he
1:13
Speaker 1: had so many great stories about the Chiefs players that
1:16
Speaker 1: he knew too, and like hearing about his interactions with
1:20
Speaker 1: Mahomes parents and with Kelsey. I mean it was. He
1:23
Speaker 1: was great, good dude too, And I think that's the
1:25
Speaker 1: goldest podcast. Let's get to know these people, not just
1:29
Speaker 1: you know, let's promote your latest, you know, television show whatever.
1:31
Speaker 1: That's it. The new ant Man trailer came out, Guys.
1:34
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I'm not a huge Marvel Universe or
1:37
Speaker 1: DC Comics guy, but the new ant Man trailer had
1:39
Speaker 1: a little Elton John Goodbye yellow Brick road in the background.
1:43
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Aaron, did you see it yet?
1:45
Speaker 1: Did see the ant Man trailer? I did. I saw
1:47
Speaker 1: it twice yesterday. Yeah. Bill Murray's in it, like just
1:50
Speaker 1: a quick shot at him, quick shot easter egg. Yeah. Yeah.
1:54
Speaker 1: I had a crazy weekend. I fly out to LA
1:58
Speaker 1: from New York every single week and I filmed for
2:00
Speaker 1: Fox on the Fox NFL kickoff show. And I usually
2:03
Speaker 1: fly in on a Saturday morning, have a quiet Saturday
2:06
Speaker 1: doing work, and then Sunday I do the Fox pregame
2:08
Speaker 1: show when I fly back to New York and watch
2:10
Speaker 1: the games on a plane. Saturday was the Rams bye
2:13
Speaker 1: week and I was texting with their coach, Sean McVeigh,
2:16
Speaker 1: and he was like, why don't you come by the
2:17
Speaker 1: house and let's just watch college football and hang on Saturday.
2:20
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, gotta do it. Awesome, awesome Saturday.
2:24
Speaker 1: But I think what you'd find most interesting is that,
2:26
Speaker 1: like how little he wanted to talk football, how little
2:30
Speaker 1: he wanted to get into the Rams woes, how little
2:32
Speaker 1: he wanted to fixate on next week's opponent, the forty
2:34
Speaker 1: nine ers, how little he wanted to get into the
2:36
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey trade, which, by the way, I think the
2:38
Speaker 1: Rams were a lot closer than the rest of us
2:41
Speaker 1: were giving off on TV on Friday and Saturday. But
2:46
Speaker 1: for your love, Aaron of just entertainment all things. So,
2:49
Speaker 1: like we're a couple hours into hanging a couple drinks
2:52
Speaker 1: and his wife, Veronica is amazing, and she comes by
2:54
Speaker 1: and she's like, do you guys want to watch like
2:56
Speaker 1: a show like I got the Yankee game on, We've
3:00
Speaker 1: got Oklahoma State Texas And I'm like yeah, And they're like, well,
3:03
Speaker 1: what show do you want to watch? And McVeigh is like, nothing,
3:07
Speaker 1: you know, no more you know, serial killer, mass murder
3:09
Speaker 1: or true crime. I'm not looking for that. What I
3:11
Speaker 1: was like, well, I've got a murder show, but it's
3:13
Speaker 1: more like comedy than murder. So he had never seen
3:16
Speaker 1: White Lotus. She had never seen White Lotus. Que up
3:19
Speaker 1: White Lotus if you want to ask what a wild
3:21
Speaker 1: night in LA with the hottest couple in the city is, like,
3:24
Speaker 1: we watched four hours worth of White Lotus, just just
3:28
Speaker 1: just armand the the hotel manager just crushing it. Um.
3:34
Speaker 1: It was awesome and it basically it was like nine
3:36
Speaker 1: o'clock midnight Eastern. I'm like, all right, I gotta I
3:39
Speaker 1: gotta go home, got an uber home, and you know,
3:41
Speaker 1: the next day I'm on show. Then everyone's asked me,
3:43
Speaker 1: what was it like hanging with Nick Bay? Where'd you go?
3:45
Speaker 1: Would the TMZ We watched an HBO Prestige TV show
3:50
Speaker 1: from a year ago. We just watched four hours of it,
3:52
Speaker 1: like cuddling like a family. You binged four hours of
3:55
Speaker 1: White Lotus. Did you skip the intro or did you
3:57
Speaker 1: watch the intro every time? Well, skip the intro. He's
4:01
Speaker 1: on the controls. Theme song is great and you get
4:04
Speaker 1: the music and the visuals. But I'm talking about the
4:06
Speaker 1: scenes from last week. And McVeigh is the kind of
4:10
Speaker 1: guy who will never give up play calling. It's the
4:12
Speaker 1: kind of guy that says, I'm going to take a
4:13
Speaker 1: back seat, Like it's funny watching a TV show with
4:15
Speaker 1: that guy because he's got to control the remote and
4:17
Speaker 1: you know, he's got the whole hook up with his
4:19
Speaker 1: around sound all this stuff. But I'll say this from
4:22
Speaker 1: a football standpoint, like it's not as much dooming gloom
4:25
Speaker 1: as I imagine. I thought I was gonna be going
4:26
Speaker 1: over there, and I've known Sean for many years, and
4:30
Speaker 1: I think he would say it. We're very close friends
4:32
Speaker 1: and we talk a lot. But I thought I was
4:33
Speaker 1: coming in and part of my hat was gonna be
4:35
Speaker 1: like lifting him up and just telling him, you know,
4:38
Speaker 1: you're three and three and look at the Niners. They're
4:39
Speaker 1: three and three and you could beat the Seahawks and
4:41
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And you know, whether I believe it
4:43
Speaker 1: or not, playing that role, he wasn't looking for that.
4:46
Speaker 1: He was in a good place, and I think he
4:48
Speaker 1: knows there's eleven games left in the regular season and
4:50
Speaker 1: a lot of this story has not been written. So
4:52
Speaker 1: last year's rise was great and the wind was amazing
4:55
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, but like, if they can pull
4:57
Speaker 1: something out of what they are right now, that might
4:59
Speaker 1: be an even greater coaching job from him, and I'm
5:01
Speaker 1: not certain he can. I think the stack and the
5:03
Speaker 1: chips are stacked against him in a lot of ways.
5:05
Speaker 1: But gosh, and when you look at the NFC, Buccaneers
5:08
Speaker 1: lose to the Panthers, the Packers lose to the Washington Commanders.
5:13
Speaker 1: You've got the teams that everyone thought would be good,
5:15
Speaker 1: the Niners at three and four, you know, besides the
5:19
Speaker 1: Eagles at six and oh and maybe the Cowboys. Like
5:21
Speaker 1: none of the teams that were written to be great
5:23
Speaker 1: before the season have done anything. The Vikings are five
5:25
Speaker 1: and one, and I don't even know what that team is.
5:28
Speaker 1: So I think the Rams are still very much alive,
5:30
Speaker 1: and I'll pick him against most of the coaches in
5:32
Speaker 1: this league in a big spot. All right, Aaron, you're
5:34
Speaker 1: ready for four downs? I am, all right, Let's go
5:38
Speaker 1: fire away first down. Speaking of the NFC, who deserves
5:42
Speaker 1: the most credit for what Seattle is doing right now?
5:45
Speaker 1: Seattle is the best story in football if you ask me.
5:48
Speaker 1: I know, we're in New York and Giants and Jets
5:50
Speaker 1: are getting a lot of love, but no one, no
5:53
Speaker 1: one had the Seahawks doing anything this year. Remember they
5:56
Speaker 1: traded Russell Wilson in a fourth round pick and got
5:59
Speaker 1: back Drew Locke, Shelby Harris Noah Fense twenty two first
6:05
Speaker 1: round pick, which ended up being their star tackle, Charles Cross,
6:07
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two second round pick. They also got
6:10
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two fifth round pick. They also got
6:14
Speaker 1: next year's first round pick. They also got next year's
6:17
Speaker 1: second round pick. And what they end up doing they
6:19
Speaker 1: hit home runs at every spot. I'm going to give
6:21
Speaker 1: John Schneider, the longtime general manager, some credit here. As
6:26
Speaker 1: much as we want to talk up Gino and we will,
6:29
Speaker 1: Schneider looked at this thing. He had a nine man
6:31
Speaker 1: draft class. He gets Terek Woolen one hundred and fifty
6:34
Speaker 1: third over all, the guys todd to the league, league
6:36
Speaker 1: and interceptions. He gets Kobe Bryant, Yes that's his name,
6:39
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, who lined up across from Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati.
6:43
Speaker 1: He's a starting corner, had a pick last week against
6:45
Speaker 1: the Chargers. He gets two starting offensive tackles and Charles
6:49
Speaker 1: Cross and Abraham Lucas. And then he gets Kenneth Walker,
6:52
Speaker 1: who is the sensation of the league. Ran for about
6:55
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy three yards and put the game
6:56
Speaker 1: on ice. With that touchdown against the Chargers, I think
7:00
Speaker 1: the Seahawks front office deserves a lot of credit. And
7:02
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll two, I mean Pete Carroll. He could have
7:05
Speaker 1: easily packed it in to the Russell Wilson era. I've
7:07
Speaker 1: been like, all right, I'm not here for the rebuild.
7:09
Speaker 1: There hasn't been much of a rebuild. They're four and three,
7:11
Speaker 1: they're in first place in the division. And John Schneider,
7:13
Speaker 1: who was quiet throughout this entire thing, did not pile
7:16
Speaker 1: any dirt on Russell Wilson. This guy released Bobby Wagner
7:20
Speaker 1: and people went nuts and kind of was like, yeah,
7:21
Speaker 1: Bobby's been a great pro, but it's been time to
7:23
Speaker 1: move on. They replenished this roster so quickly with young talent,
7:27
Speaker 1: and they're all performing. And they're four and three. We
7:30
Speaker 1: are in Week eight in the Seattle Seahawks, but Geno
7:32
Speaker 1: Smith and a bunch of rookies, five of them making
7:37
Speaker 1: starting appearances on Sunday. Those rookies, they are in first
7:41
Speaker 1: place in the NFC West and if the playoffs were
7:43
Speaker 1: to start today, they would be hosting a playoff game.
7:46
Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible. John Schneider, one of the great talent of
7:49
Speaker 1: talent evaluators, but in this case, I think he des
7:52
Speaker 1: there's a lot of credit, even though he's not one
7:53
Speaker 1: who's going to run in front of a microphone all right,
7:56
Speaker 1: from a good vibe to maybe not as good of
7:58
Speaker 1: a vibe. Second down, What do you make of Kyler
8:02
Speaker 1: and Cliff on the sideline yelling at each other right
8:07
Speaker 1: there on National TV? Fascinated by it? I think Cliff
8:10
Speaker 1: took the high road in a lot of ways. But
8:12
Speaker 1: there was a little line there in the press conference
8:14
Speaker 1: afterwards where he said like it's very gen Z and
8:17
Speaker 1: I'm like, daw we go, here we go. There's something there,
8:22
Speaker 1: gen Z. I mean Kyler, from what I gather, obviously,
8:27
Speaker 1: was hearing Cliff in the headset and was yelling Adam,
8:29
Speaker 1: you know, f and calm down and calm down. And
8:32
Speaker 1: it's one thing to do that in a practice. It's
8:33
Speaker 1: another thing to do that in the locker room. It's
8:35
Speaker 1: another thing on Thursday Night football with the entire nation
8:37
Speaker 1: watching to be screaming at your head coach dropping fbombs.
8:41
Speaker 1: Here is what I will say. NFL Films has been
8:45
Speaker 1: filming hard Knocks in season with the Arizona Cardinals the
8:48
Speaker 1: entire season. It premiers November eighth. I am fascinated to
8:53
Speaker 1: see what they captured and what they show us. The
8:58
Speaker 1: cutting room floor stuff could be even more interesting because
9:00
Speaker 1: I think Cliff and Kyler, as much as Cliff drafted
9:02
Speaker 1: Kyler and as much as Kyler you know, has known
9:05
Speaker 1: Cliff since since Cliff recruited him out of high school,
9:09
Speaker 1: I think that thing is not in a good place.
9:12
Speaker 1: And I think Kyler, in a lot of ways, people
9:15
Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing him show a little emotion, little fire. It's
9:17
Speaker 1: okay to curse once in a while. It's okay to
9:19
Speaker 1: tell your coach off. It's the heat of the moment.
9:21
Speaker 1: As long as you guys patch it up and it's
9:22
Speaker 1: like there's a mutual respect. I'd love to know what's
9:25
Speaker 1: going on in that building from Monday to Saturday, and
9:29
Speaker 1: not just on the Sundays. And I think Hard Knocks
9:31
Speaker 1: the NFL producers, what are we doing if we're not
9:34
Speaker 1: capturing at all and showing us the real uncut stuff.
9:37
Speaker 1: This can't be a puff piece on the Arizona Cardinals.
9:39
Speaker 1: It's very rare that we get hard knocks, and it's hey,
9:42
Speaker 1: here are all the warts and here are all the wounds.
9:44
Speaker 1: I would imagine that the team has some approval process
9:47
Speaker 1: in the editorial, but like, gosh, when you get a
9:48
Speaker 1: moment like that, penny for your thoughts. But like I
9:52
Speaker 1: would love love to see everything that went into that
9:56
Speaker 1: dust up, but also the fallout afterwards. Cliff and Kyler
10:00
Speaker 1: probably not in a great place right now, and as
10:02
Speaker 1: we talk about it right in the thick of the
10:04
Speaker 1: NFC all right down, can you just explain to me
10:09
Speaker 1: what the call was at the end of the Browns game. Yeah.
10:12
Speaker 1: I can't explain it without going to my sources. So
10:15
Speaker 1: obviously I work with a lot of people in the
10:17
Speaker 1: league at the league office, I work with my Prayer
10:20
Speaker 1: and Dean Blandino who work at Fox. I reached out
10:24
Speaker 1: to a few folks and I will say this, I'm
10:26
Speaker 1: not going to name the source on this, and it's
10:28
Speaker 1: none of those guys who explained it. And he said,
10:31
Speaker 1: here's the deal. There actually were two false starts by
10:35
Speaker 1: the offense on that play. The center dropped his head
10:39
Speaker 1: and moved the ball at the same time, and that
10:43
Speaker 1: caused the defensive reaction where you saw Klais Campbell come
10:46
Speaker 1: on in. But also the left tight end moved before
10:51
Speaker 1: any of the other offensive players, and you can't do that.
10:53
Speaker 1: And this is where it gets really in the weeds
10:56
Speaker 1: with the rule book and at home, like none of
10:57
Speaker 1: us know this. That left tight end is not protected
11:01
Speaker 1: since he has more than two and a half positions
11:04
Speaker 1: from the point where the defense and did the neutral
11:07
Speaker 1: zone all right, So if Klais Campbell enters that thing
11:10
Speaker 1: two and a half positions away, that guy, that left
11:13
Speaker 1: tight end is still susceptible to being a penalty. So
11:17
Speaker 1: the center lifted his head false start the left tight end,
11:21
Speaker 1: he moved false start. Unfortunately, the refs in the field,
11:25
Speaker 1: they announced that sixty eight, the left guard, was at fault.
11:28
Speaker 1: He didn't move at all. So it's very hard to
11:31
Speaker 1: a fact. At Brown's fans are like, the league is
11:33
Speaker 1: screwing us, the league hates us. Spoke to someone who knows,
11:37
Speaker 1: and this guy who's looked at it time and time again,
11:40
Speaker 1: was telling me, here's the deal. Two different false starts,
11:43
Speaker 1: one by the center, one by the left tight end.
11:46
Speaker 1: They just identified the wrong guy on the broadcast, and
11:49
Speaker 1: sixty eight did nothing wrong. He didn't move. He was
11:52
Speaker 1: fine as for picking up a flag on the Jacoby
11:57
Speaker 1: Brissette roughing the passer something I've never seen before, roughing
12:00
Speaker 1: the passer that could have changed the game. And then
12:02
Speaker 1: they said ad actually was no flag. Yeah, I don't
12:05
Speaker 1: know about that. One guy's all right, fourth down. Who
12:08
Speaker 1: do you want to give a shout out to you
12:09
Speaker 1: this week? I want to give a shout out to
12:11
Speaker 1: my lovely wife, Erica. All right, this is not just
12:13
Speaker 1: me trying to get brownie points. Let me explain my wife,
12:16
Speaker 1: Erica's weekend. So, as I just mentioned, I fly out
12:19
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles every weekend to work on the Fox
12:22
Speaker 1: show I love it. It's with Sean Payton, it's with
12:24
Speaker 1: Charissa Thompson, who's an absolute rock star. And it's with
12:27
Speaker 1: Michael Vick and Charles Woodson, two guys who I had
12:29
Speaker 1: their posters up when I was a kid. It's like
12:31
Speaker 1: I'm living my dream. Meanwhile, I've got my wife back
12:34
Speaker 1: home and she's a single mother on the weekends with
12:37
Speaker 1: my son, mel who's now a rambunctious six year old
12:40
Speaker 1: who has the curiosity like you've never seen, in the
12:42
Speaker 1: energy I've never seen. And it's his birthday this weekend,
12:45
Speaker 1: and all he wanted to do was see Lamar Jackson
12:48
Speaker 1: play in person his first NFL game. I work for
12:52
Speaker 1: the NFL. There is no way that my kid is
12:54
Speaker 1: requesting seeing Lamar Jackson playing a game that we're not
12:57
Speaker 1: making that happen. My wife traveled from New York City
13:02
Speaker 1: to Baltimore, took my son to a Raven's Brown's game,
13:07
Speaker 1: sat in the crowd with my guy, and my son
13:11
Speaker 1: had the greatest birthday gift you could ever imagine. Shout
13:14
Speaker 1: out to the Ravens staff, who I gave them a
13:16
Speaker 1: little heads up. I didn't want any big to do.
13:18
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but they came buying him a
13:20
Speaker 1: pin that said my first game. I cannot tell you
13:23
Speaker 1: how happy and how proud I was to see my
13:28
Speaker 1: offspring be in love with the game of football. I
13:30
Speaker 1: would I do this for a living and live and
13:31
Speaker 1: die with it every single day. The Ravens obviously win.
13:35
Speaker 1: My little guy mel had a blast. But it doesn't
13:38
Speaker 1: happen if I don't have a partner in crime who's like, yeah, cool,
13:41
Speaker 1: let's go to a football game on a Sunday, though
13:43
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to do, especially in Baltimore,
13:45
Speaker 1: Let's go. They got back yesterday and I think I
13:48
Speaker 1: thanked her, but this is I say, I think, because
13:50
Speaker 1: who knows. I probably was, you know, bitching about something else,
13:52
Speaker 1: but I would like to thank her on this podcast, Aaron,
13:55
Speaker 1: was that romantic? Was that nice? That went beautiful? Yeah?
13:57
Speaker 1: I love that, and especially last week you and Paul
14:00
Speaker 1: talks about Paul's first football game. Your sent will remember
14:04
Speaker 1: this forever. That's that's great. Yeah, Daddy wasn't there? Okay,
14:07
Speaker 1: Now do you have a shout out for me? Yeah?
14:12
Speaker 1: So I was texting with some of my friends about football,
14:15
Speaker 1: and one of them is a diehard Giants fan, and he,
14:18
Speaker 1: you know, is texting me like pre written apology notes
14:21
Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones, like if you fill in the blanks,
14:24
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Daniel Jones. I made fun of you for this.
14:26
Speaker 1: But I want to call out Daniel Jones because, like
14:29
Speaker 1: he looks so much more comfortable in the pocket, and
14:32
Speaker 1: right now, through seven weeks, he's got more rushing yards
14:36
Speaker 1: and three times as many rushing touchdowns as Naji Harris.
14:40
Speaker 1: Like he's a weapon. He's not someone that we necessarily
14:44
Speaker 1: expected to grow this season, I think, and so I
14:47
Speaker 1: think the Giants kind of did too, because they declined
14:49
Speaker 1: his fifth year option. So I kind of wanted to
14:52
Speaker 1: ask you, what are the Giants going to do next year?
14:57
Speaker 1: Great question? Yeah, you could celebrate. Daniel Jones knew the
14:59
Speaker 1: parade down Broadway and then all of a sudden, you know,
15:02
Speaker 1: the eggs accept the hatch, and it's like, well, now
15:04
Speaker 1: what do we do? Who? We didn't expect this. It's
15:05
Speaker 1: been a great and he's been outstanding, playing within himself
15:09
Speaker 1: and doing what he does best. I told the story
15:11
Speaker 1: on Ryan Rusilo's podcast earlier this week. I'm gonna tell
15:13
Speaker 1: it again here. A lot of times when coaches get
15:16
Speaker 1: shown the door, coaches get fired or general managers get fired,
15:19
Speaker 1: I'll shoot them a note and just say, hey, if
15:22
Speaker 1: there's anything you ever could possibly need from me, And
15:24
Speaker 1: usually it's nothing, but if it's a reference, if it's
15:27
Speaker 1: a contact, like I'm here, whatever. So I shot Joe
15:31
Speaker 1: Judge a note when he got fired by the Giants,
15:33
Speaker 1: and it was a tumultuous week for him, and he
15:35
Speaker 1: pretty quickly shot back and was like, let me give
15:37
Speaker 1: you a call, and we spoke and Judge, who say
15:40
Speaker 1: what you want about him? As at the end there
15:42
Speaker 1: like this is a good dude. I have nothing but
15:43
Speaker 1: good things to say about Joe Judge, and he could
15:46
Speaker 1: have very easily buried Daniel Jones. Instead, he was like, hey,
15:48
Speaker 1: one thing, you're on that show all offseason. You do
15:52
Speaker 1: that Good Morning Football. Like Daniel Jones is tough as nails.
15:57
Speaker 1: Make sure people know that Daniel Jones comes prepared to
15:59
Speaker 1: work every day he takes a beating behind that offensive line.
16:03
Speaker 1: And this guy never complains, always prepared, always the right demeanor,
16:09
Speaker 1: never out of control, never calls anyone out, and doesn't
16:11
Speaker 1: get too down either, like I'm not sure it's going
16:14
Speaker 1: to work in New York. And this was, you know,
16:15
Speaker 1: from Joe Judge. I think he wouldn't mind me saying this.
16:17
Speaker 1: He's like, but that dude, that dude's the real deal.
16:19
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, well, that's cool, because like
16:21
Speaker 1: you could have easily buried your former quarterback and said
16:24
Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough for us to win, but he didn't.
16:27
Speaker 1: Fast forward to this year. If Daniel Jones gets injured,
16:30
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones gets hit, Daniel Jones lowers his shoulder and
16:33
Speaker 1: like he just gets up for another down. I have
16:35
Speaker 1: so much respect for Daniel Jones. And now there's this question,
16:38
Speaker 1: what do you do with him. Here's what the options are.
16:42
Speaker 1: You can let Daniel Jones walk test free agency, twenty
16:46
Speaker 1: five year old quarterback who just had a good season,
16:48
Speaker 1: whatever it ends up being. He let him walk and
16:51
Speaker 1: he could either start somewhere else or fight for a
16:53
Speaker 1: starting job or be a backup. We'll see. You could
16:56
Speaker 1: sign him to the mega extension, say twenty five to
17:00
Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year. I don't think he's gonna
17:02
Speaker 1: get forty million, but I think if Daniel Jones was
17:03
Speaker 1: offered twenty five to thirty over the next few years,
17:06
Speaker 1: I think his agency and him would would think long
17:08
Speaker 1: and hard about it. Or you can franchise tag him.
17:12
Speaker 1: And franchise tagging him sounds like the move because it's
17:14
Speaker 1: a one year more commitment of like, all right, prove yourself.
17:17
Speaker 1: But the problem with franchise tagging him is that quarterbacks
17:21
Speaker 1: make so much money right now. It's the average of
17:23
Speaker 1: the top five salaries at the position. So if Russell
17:27
Speaker 1: Wilson and Kyler Murray and Aaron Rodgers are all making
17:30
Speaker 1: forty million, and that means you might have to pay
17:33
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones thirty eight to forty million dollars a year.
17:36
Speaker 1: If you franchise tag him for that one year and
17:38
Speaker 1: then he can still leave the next year if he
17:41
Speaker 1: has an outstanding season, because well, unless you give him
17:45
Speaker 1: that long term contract, he don't own the rights to him.
17:49
Speaker 1: I think the Giants are gonna wait this thing out.
17:52
Speaker 1: I think They're going to see how far they can
17:53
Speaker 1: take this. And I think it's a really smart conversation
17:56
Speaker 1: to have. If Daniel Jones can get them to the playoffs,
17:59
Speaker 1: I think that's about what I would need to see
18:01
Speaker 1: just get him to the playoffs. I think that's fair.
18:04
Speaker 1: I think you start at that twenty five to thirty
18:06
Speaker 1: million all the range. I know that might sound ghastly,
18:08
Speaker 1: but if you look at some of the numbers and
18:09
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks are making, it's below market for a starting
18:13
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. And then you see what he says,
18:15
Speaker 1: and then if you go back and forth, well then
18:18
Speaker 1: you have a real contract negotiation. And guess what, Daniel Jones,
18:21
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone had us having this conversation back
18:24
Speaker 1: in August. Yeah, I also was never expecting that from
18:28
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. But I am very excited for our next guest,
18:33
Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart with the Buffalo Bills.
18:36
Speaker 1: Why don't you te us up for who we've got
18:38
Speaker 1: coming on. Yeah, I'm excited for this guest, all right.
18:40
Speaker 1: So when I started this podcast, I'm like, I want
18:42
Speaker 1: to do some different types of guests, and we've already
18:45
Speaker 1: seen two different flavors in our first two weeks. We
18:47
Speaker 1: had Robert Sala, head coach of an NFL team. We
18:50
Speaker 1: got to know him on a personal level, and I
18:51
Speaker 1: thought that was really cool. Then we got Paul Rudd
18:54
Speaker 1: in here for ninety minutes, and Paul Rudd was awesome,
18:56
Speaker 1: and that's a celebrity fan. The third bucket. I want
18:59
Speaker 1: to hit this and I want to get a bunch
19:00
Speaker 1: of these guys on. It's the up and coming coach.
19:02
Speaker 1: It's the up and coming guy that you're going to
19:04
Speaker 1: be hearing about for the next decade of your life,
19:06
Speaker 1: says football fans. But you might not know yet. So
19:09
Speaker 1: I was happy when this guy agreed to be a
19:12
Speaker 1: guest this week, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm happy to introduce
19:16
Speaker 1: my guy, Ken Dorsey, Buffalo Bill's offensive coordinator and former
19:19
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricane legend. Let's take a listen. Our next guest
19:25
Speaker 1: was a standout quarterback at the University of Miami. From
19:28
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine to two thousand two. This man had
19:32
Speaker 1: a record of thirty eight into the winningest quarterback in
19:36
Speaker 1: Miami history, and he won the National Championship in two
19:39
Speaker 1: thousand and one. He was in the NFL, he went
19:41
Speaker 1: into coaching, and now he is the offensive coordinator of
19:45
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing offenses in the league. Ladies
19:48
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, let's introduce Ken Dorsey to the Peter Schrager Podcast. Yeah,
19:54
Speaker 1: we doing. Thanks for having me, dude. I love that
19:56
Speaker 1: you're joining us because so often during the season we
20:00
Speaker 1: get all like into it and we're saying this guy
20:02
Speaker 1: is the coach of the year, and this guy is
20:04
Speaker 1: the next ecod it, and then it's like, who are
20:06
Speaker 1: the next faces? Who are the next guys? Who are
20:09
Speaker 1: the ones that we should be talking about? Who are
20:10
Speaker 1: going to be the next decade of great NFL head
20:13
Speaker 1: coaches in this league? And I I've been very candid
20:16
Speaker 1: with you and very candid on Good Morning Football, and
20:18
Speaker 1: I think you've got all the right stuff. Take us
20:20
Speaker 1: briefly through the path from going from player to coach
20:26
Speaker 1: and what that decision was like for you as you
20:29
Speaker 1: entered the sport at a different level and a different hat. Really. Yeah, No,
20:34
Speaker 1: it was obviously a long journey from college playing at
20:39
Speaker 1: University of Miami and then go and playing three years
20:42
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, three years in Cleveland. And I always
20:45
Speaker 1: kind of took the mentality of I didn't know I
20:47
Speaker 1: was going to get into coaching at that time, but
20:49
Speaker 1: I took you in mentality of, hey, I could walk outside,
20:51
Speaker 1: get hit by a car and never play football. What
20:54
Speaker 1: am I going to do? You know? So honestly coached
20:57
Speaker 1: high school football there until opportunity with in the scouting
21:01
Speaker 1: department with the Carolina Panthers came up, and I started
21:03
Speaker 1: off in the pro scouting department, which was eight for
21:06
Speaker 1: me because then it's you know, you're really looking at
21:09
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. You're scouting offense, defense, special teams,
21:12
Speaker 1: so you're really kind of looking at at all aspects
21:15
Speaker 1: of a play offensive line, defensive line, you know. So
21:18
Speaker 1: so learned a lot through that experience that that I
21:21
Speaker 1: really think kind of helped me to the coaching side
21:24
Speaker 1: of things, and was fortunate enough to get the quarterback
21:26
Speaker 1: coach job there and we had a good run and
21:30
Speaker 1: then uh and then came here to Buffalo and pick
21:32
Speaker 1: it up from there and uh continue rolling with some
21:35
Speaker 1: tweaks and some some different looks. Yeah, and you had
21:40
Speaker 1: that career as the scout, as you said, and then
21:42
Speaker 1: you go with Cam Newton. Um, here is this physical
21:45
Speaker 1: specimen like we'd never seen in the NFL, that quarterback.
21:47
Speaker 1: You're the quarterbacks coach for Cam Newton, one of the
21:49
Speaker 1: biggest personalities in the league. You guys go fifteen and one,
21:53
Speaker 1: that one magical super Bowl season. But when you get
21:56
Speaker 1: a guy like Cam Newton and your quarterback and when
21:59
Speaker 1: you were playing pocket guy and then you have this
22:02
Speaker 1: guy that does things at our super human how did
22:05
Speaker 1: you have to bend and mold your versions of what
22:07
Speaker 1: you envisioned an NFL offense to camp strings. It's a
22:10
Speaker 1: little bit of learning on the fly, you know. And
22:13
Speaker 1: the great thing about at the end of the day,
22:15
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to win and succeed from
22:17
Speaker 1: the pocket and do things you know from the pocket
22:19
Speaker 1: in order to have to sustain success over the course
22:22
Speaker 1: of time. And so that carries over no matter who
22:24
Speaker 1: the quarterback is, whether it's a more mobile guy or
22:27
Speaker 1: a true pocket passer guy, You've got to be able
22:30
Speaker 1: to develop your mechanics from the pocket and be effective
22:34
Speaker 1: from there while not taking away that ability to create
22:37
Speaker 1: and what those guys, you know, what makes them special
22:41
Speaker 1: and what makes them who they are, not not limiting
22:44
Speaker 1: that and not taking away. So it's definitely a balancing
22:47
Speaker 1: act of okay, making sure that they can operate everything
22:52
Speaker 1: they need to from within the pocket, but not handcuffing
22:54
Speaker 1: them and forcing him into something that they're not. Josh
22:58
Speaker 1: Allen is such a special individual, and he's such an
23:01
Speaker 1: important piece to this league, and he's such a good player.
23:03
Speaker 1: You're with him every day. Yeah? Is he as good as?
23:07
Speaker 1: It's as good as? I think the NFL could not
23:09
Speaker 1: draw two greater ambassadors for the sport than Mahomes and
23:12
Speaker 1: Alan Alan. This guy seems like he's missed everything and
23:15
Speaker 1: he's just a wonderfully gracious human being. Is am I
23:18
Speaker 1: just glowing for no reason? Is there a bad side
23:21
Speaker 1: to this guy? No? I mean he really is? He
23:24
Speaker 1: just I think he's exactly what you'd want in a
23:27
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in terms of obviously the physical skill set
23:31
Speaker 1: that everybody sees, but then you know how he is
23:34
Speaker 1: with his teammates, what he does, you know, in his preparation,
23:38
Speaker 1: the dedication he has to the organization and to the
23:42
Speaker 1: just the area of Western New York and Buffalo in general.
23:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very fortunate because I think he's obviously
23:50
Speaker 1: one of the one of the great players in our league,
23:52
Speaker 1: and working with him day and day out as a blast,
23:56
Speaker 1: you know, one because he is who he is, and
23:58
Speaker 1: two he's just a great guy to be around. When
24:01
Speaker 1: he leaves his feet like he did against Kansas City
24:03
Speaker 1: or Minnesota, do you hold your breath and go what
24:05
Speaker 1: do you do it? Or is it like buckle up,
24:08
Speaker 1: let's go. Well, it's it's obviously you know, there's a
24:12
Speaker 1: lot of moments where it's just Josh being Josh and
24:14
Speaker 1: doing Josh type things. So you know, you you rolish
24:17
Speaker 1: that and you appreciate that, you know, because there's you're
24:20
Speaker 1: not always going to have the perfect play called. You
24:23
Speaker 1: just won't. I mean, in the in the nature of
24:25
Speaker 1: calling a game, it's just there's gonna be plays that
24:28
Speaker 1: they might have a better call than you. And you
24:30
Speaker 1: gotta trust your guys that they you know, they know
24:33
Speaker 1: how to react, they know what to do. And Josh
24:35
Speaker 1: does an amazing job of getting us out of some
24:37
Speaker 1: some tough looks and creating and putting a lot of
24:40
Speaker 1: stress on the defense. Take us back in time when
24:43
Speaker 1: you knew, like, did this guy's special A practice, a story,
24:47
Speaker 1: a game. I'll always think back to twenty eighteen, Week three,
24:50
Speaker 1: you guys go into Minnesota and he hurtles Anthony barn
24:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, not a lot of quarterbacks do that. Um, yeah,
24:56
Speaker 1: but that was with his legs. That wasn't even scratching
24:58
Speaker 1: the surface. When did you know that this dude is different?
25:02
Speaker 1: I mean really really the second I got here, to
25:04
Speaker 1: be honest with you, just watching him and how he
25:07
Speaker 1: reacts by first meeting with him. You know, there's times
25:10
Speaker 1: you go through and it's like you go through your
25:12
Speaker 1: power Point. I'm a big PowerPoint guy, you know, I
25:14
Speaker 1: like point, let's go organization, you know, making sure we're
25:18
Speaker 1: we're organized, were on top and everybody knows kind of
25:21
Speaker 1: you know, what's your thought processes. So you know, I'm
25:23
Speaker 1: going through PowerPoint with them and just kind of our
25:27
Speaker 1: our mentality, our thought process, and just how locked in
25:30
Speaker 1: he was, you know, with the first day, and just
25:32
Speaker 1: how intune he is to the coaching. You know, throughout
25:35
Speaker 1: that first offseason, I had with them, I knew like, Okay,
25:38
Speaker 1: this guy wants to learn and get better, Like this
25:40
Speaker 1: guy really wants to to, you know, continue to grow
25:43
Speaker 1: as a player, not only physically but mentally. As a coach,
25:48
Speaker 1: you appreciate that. You want guys who are striving to
25:51
Speaker 1: just maximize their what they have, you know, whether it's
25:56
Speaker 1: a high ceiling or not a high ceiling, because not
25:58
Speaker 1: everybody is as physically gifted as as the guy next
26:01
Speaker 1: to them. But as a coach, if you've got a
26:04
Speaker 1: bunch of guys who are trying to maximize their ceiling
26:07
Speaker 1: and accepting the coaching, then that's all you could ask for.
26:10
Speaker 1: And Josh embodies that, you know. So I knew it then.
26:14
Speaker 1: And then, honestly, you know, after that my first year here,
26:18
Speaker 1: we went to the playoffs against Houston and then we
26:20
Speaker 1: had a really good first half and then obviously in
26:22
Speaker 1: the second half we kind of lost it. But after
26:26
Speaker 1: that game, I just knew, like he has the right makeup,
26:29
Speaker 1: you know, because he stood up in front of in
26:31
Speaker 1: front of everybody and said, look, you know, we gotta
26:33
Speaker 1: be better. I gotta be better, you know, and he
26:37
Speaker 1: owned the fact that, hey, we didn't lose, not necessarily
26:40
Speaker 1: all on him, but you know, he knew that in
26:44
Speaker 1: order for us to take the next step, he's got
26:45
Speaker 1: to take the next step. And I think he owned
26:47
Speaker 1: that moment. And I think that's where you realize guys
26:50
Speaker 1: grow from those that they handle it the right way. No,
26:53
Speaker 1: it's deep cut like Bill's talk. But like that game,
26:56
Speaker 1: it seemed like there was like a short circuit for Josh,
26:58
Speaker 1: like at halftime and then he threw that really ill
27:00
Speaker 1: advised lateral and I think that was on National TV.
27:03
Speaker 1: It was a Saturday afternoon, and like there was a
27:06
Speaker 1: lot of Okay, he's good athletically, but maybe and then
27:09
Speaker 1: the next two seasons he's just been you know, mistin free, disciplined.
27:14
Speaker 1: And I was there at talk like over the art.
27:17
Speaker 1: Do you think that's just naturally is like the maturation
27:19
Speaker 1: of a quarterback. I really believe that when you look
27:22
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks coming into the league, there are so many
27:25
Speaker 1: good ones. There are so many guys with a tremendous
27:28
Speaker 1: skill set and ability, you know, and you need the
27:32
Speaker 1: right mental makeup at which Josh has. But then it
27:35
Speaker 1: also becomes okay, you know, reps, reps and reps not
27:40
Speaker 1: only in practice, but in games, and the more game
27:43
Speaker 1: reps you get, the more it's easy just to be
27:45
Speaker 1: like react and it's hey, all right, I've got this play.
27:50
Speaker 1: I know versus coverage, it's not the best play, all right,
27:53
Speaker 1: so where's my outlets? And it's just quick to an outlet,
27:56
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that, hey, I'm not going to pass
27:59
Speaker 1: something up, just hoping for something better. And I think
28:01
Speaker 1: the more reps you get, the more you see things,
28:04
Speaker 1: and the more it's harder to surprise a guy because
28:06
Speaker 1: you've seen different variations of whether it's Tampa two or
28:11
Speaker 1: postie zones or Man's with different type of rat players
28:14
Speaker 1: or robbers in the middle. You know you've seen these
28:17
Speaker 1: different things, so less surprise to you, and you're quicker
28:20
Speaker 1: to react to things. And the quicker you are to react,
28:23
Speaker 1: the quicker the ball comes out, the more stress you
28:25
Speaker 1: put on a defense. And I think that's you see
28:28
Speaker 1: that in the maturation of guys. All those older quarterbacks
28:30
Speaker 1: who have been able to stay in the league for
28:32
Speaker 1: so long, they get back, they hit that fifth step
28:34
Speaker 1: and they're dropping Bam, the ball's coming out and they're
28:37
Speaker 1: a checkdown or they're ripping a seam or something like that.
28:39
Speaker 1: But it's because they know, you know, they know on
28:42
Speaker 1: this play versus this coverage, I've got a shot at
28:45
Speaker 1: this or I don't have a shot at this, so
28:46
Speaker 1: they can eliminate that and move on. Well, it's like,
28:50
Speaker 1: you know, people laugh about how much money Chase Daniels
28:52
Speaker 1: made in this league or your guy case Keenum, and
28:54
Speaker 1: these guys will always had a Josh McCown. There's a
28:57
Speaker 1: reason they're great in the locker room. They're great in
28:59
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks room. They're also reliable when you put them in.
29:02
Speaker 1: They're not going to cost you a game. That was
29:04
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton for years. You're stating, always had a spot
29:06
Speaker 1: an NFL roster. Take us through your quarterback room, because
29:09
Speaker 1: I know it's not just you're in that room now,
29:11
Speaker 1: Joe Brady is in that room as well. Uh, what's
29:13
Speaker 1: it like, what's the dynamic case, Josh, Joe, you and
29:16
Speaker 1: I think Barkley might be in there too. That's there. Yeah, Yeah,
29:19
Speaker 1: this is a cool room. What do we got? It
29:21
Speaker 1: really is? It's a and and that's a great thing
29:23
Speaker 1: about it. You know, you've got Josh obviously with his experiences,
29:26
Speaker 1: but you've got a got a group of guys with
29:28
Speaker 1: tremendous experience, you know, and and been through a lot
29:31
Speaker 1: of things. I mean obviously bark Was had been here
29:34
Speaker 1: and then left and then came back, and we played
29:36
Speaker 1: him like three or four times last year alone, like
29:39
Speaker 1: you know, he kept bouncing around and ended up on
29:41
Speaker 1: teams that we were playing. Um, you know. So it's
29:44
Speaker 1: it's funny because like he has that perspective of teams
29:47
Speaker 1: that played us and kind of how they saw that's cool.
29:51
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a really cool perspective. And
29:53
Speaker 1: then he got case who's you know, he's been through
29:56
Speaker 1: good times and tough times and uh, you know, brought
29:59
Speaker 1: a team to the playoffs and and you know, he
30:01
Speaker 1: embodies you know, when you think back to the Minneapolis Miracles,
30:06
Speaker 1: you know type game, he embodies the fact of, hey,
30:08
Speaker 1: if you just keep keep chipping away, if you don't
30:11
Speaker 1: get too high, you don't get too low, and you
30:12
Speaker 1: stay right here, you never know what's going to happen
30:15
Speaker 1: in the game because so many times it comes down
30:17
Speaker 1: to the last two minutes of the fourth quarter. And
30:19
Speaker 1: he just embodies that from that game, you know. So
30:21
Speaker 1: it's like he has that he has that ability to
30:24
Speaker 1: talk to Josh and be like, hey, yeah, we might
30:26
Speaker 1: be down seven ten, uh, you know, whatever it is
30:29
Speaker 1: or up, Like you've got to keep your foot on
30:31
Speaker 1: the gas. You gotta stay you know, stay level, stay
30:34
Speaker 1: focused on Hey, it's this drive. And because he's been there,
30:37
Speaker 1: he's lived that, so that experience is awesome. And then
30:41
Speaker 1: Joe Brady coming in coaching those guys. Did you know
30:45
Speaker 1: Joe beforehand? Or because he was just wonder Kim in
30:47
Speaker 1: the league, like you talked about LSU and then Sean
30:49
Speaker 1: Hayton raped about him and guess the job at Carolina
30:51
Speaker 1: at such a young age, did you know him? So
30:54
Speaker 1: we you know, just through coaching ranks and getting to
30:57
Speaker 1: know him combine and all that stuff. You know, it's uh,
31:00
Speaker 1: And that's where those things are so beneficial because you
31:02
Speaker 1: never know kind of how things unfold throughout the league.
31:05
Speaker 1: Soviously it didn't work out for him in Carolina, and
31:09
Speaker 1: it's lucky for us because he brings this great knowledge
31:13
Speaker 1: of just the things they've done in New Orleans and
31:15
Speaker 1: the things that he did obviously at LSU and then
31:19
Speaker 1: took with him. So I mean it's great. And the
31:21
Speaker 1: thing that's really beneficial for us is what we wanted
31:24
Speaker 1: to do this offseason with the coaching staff is we
31:27
Speaker 1: have our system and what we've run for for multiple years,
31:31
Speaker 1: but it's really helped prevent us from being stale by
31:34
Speaker 1: bringing some new stuff, yeah, from outside the system who
31:38
Speaker 1: haven't necessarily been there, whether it's a Joe Brady or
31:41
Speaker 1: an Aaron Cromer who hadn't been in the system before.
31:44
Speaker 1: It really has kind of infused some newness, some new ideas,
31:49
Speaker 1: which you know, helps those guys in the off season
31:51
Speaker 1: two of like, Okay, it's not the same old stuff.
31:54
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's something new, something that they could
31:57
Speaker 1: say and tangible where you can look at and say, look,
32:00
Speaker 1: this is why we're doing it and why it's going
32:02
Speaker 1: to help us win. And then it's like, okay, that
32:04
Speaker 1: makes sense and we could buy into this. Bro. That's
32:07
Speaker 1: such a good take because Week one, you guys play
32:09
Speaker 1: the Rams and it's like super Bowl Champions for us,
32:11
Speaker 1: a team that everyone's hot on, and it was like
32:13
Speaker 1: it felt like it was nine months of just the
32:16
Speaker 1: frustration boiling over from that loss. Agains a Chiefs and
32:19
Speaker 1: it was like builds a palooza. Here we are and
32:22
Speaker 1: this is everything and you were so dialed in with
32:24
Speaker 1: those play calls. It was not the same offense we
32:26
Speaker 1: saw last year. It was almost like, let me show
32:27
Speaker 1: you what I got. You know, here we go. Did
32:30
Speaker 1: you feel that, like that opening week game, going into
32:33
Speaker 1: that with Thursday night football and all the bright lights, like, Hey,
32:36
Speaker 1: we're gonna stake our flag on this season and here's
32:38
Speaker 1: what we're about. Yeah. And obviously anytime you open up
32:41
Speaker 1: against such a great opponent, I mean, they're the Super
32:43
Speaker 1: Bowl chance for a reason, and they are i mean
32:47
Speaker 1: coaching staff wise, player wise, you know, it's it's it
32:50
Speaker 1: really kind of forces you in the off season to
32:53
Speaker 1: really have a different level of focus when you're opening
32:55
Speaker 1: up with a game like that, you know, and and
32:59
Speaker 1: it really created that, I think for everybody throughout the
33:01
Speaker 1: off season. So, uh, it was. It was a great environment.
33:04
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that was It's part of it
33:06
Speaker 1: because when whenever you take over an offense, it's like, yeah,
33:10
Speaker 1: you're gonna take over. But you always want to infuse
33:12
Speaker 1: your personality. You always want to fuse what the things
33:15
Speaker 1: you believe in, the things you want to kind of incorporate,
33:18
Speaker 1: whether it's stuff in the past, Lawyer, it was five
33:20
Speaker 1: years ago. I was like, I kind of like this
33:22
Speaker 1: but didn't quite get in, and we want I want
33:24
Speaker 1: to take a look at it, and I believe in it.
33:27
Speaker 1: But but I think that way, if you do that,
33:30
Speaker 1: guys buy in a lot better because you're not trying
33:32
Speaker 1: to be something you're not. You gotta be yourself, you
33:34
Speaker 1: got to you gotta do what you believe in, and
33:36
Speaker 1: that creates a lot more buy in. I think from
33:39
Speaker 1: from your guys. You know, when when you're doing what
33:41
Speaker 1: you believe in and they understand why, it's a lot
33:44
Speaker 1: easier for those guys to be all in and one
33:46
Speaker 1: hundred percent behind every single call you make because they
33:50
Speaker 1: understand that it's it's a really cool time in the
33:53
Speaker 1: league and that we're seeing a lot of that concepts
33:56
Speaker 1: from college come in. But also you see some teams
33:59
Speaker 1: still use a fullback, if you see some teams go
34:02
Speaker 1: five wide, Like it's so varied, and I look at
34:05
Speaker 1: all the young offensive head coach is in the league
34:06
Speaker 1: right now, whether it be Mike McDaniel down in Miami
34:09
Speaker 1: who's waited his time and now has his opportunity, 'll
34:11
Speaker 1: floor up in Green Bay McVeigh obviously, Zach Taylor and Cincinnati.
34:16
Speaker 1: We can go through it. You're a young offensive mind
34:19
Speaker 1: who's getting a lot of eyeballs right now. If you're
34:21
Speaker 1: talking to other coaches, and a lot of the listeners
34:23
Speaker 1: to this are you know, coaches within the NFL, but
34:26
Speaker 1: young coaches at the youth level. How do you just
34:29
Speaker 1: hang tight, be patient and know that your time is
34:31
Speaker 1: gonna come. What is your message? Because now you're the
34:33
Speaker 1: OC of the number one offense in the league, and
34:35
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's talking about Ken Dorsey as has this
34:38
Speaker 1: great offensive mind. But it did not happen overnight. You
34:41
Speaker 1: earned your earned your seat at the table over years
34:43
Speaker 1: of grinding it out different jobs. What's your message to
34:46
Speaker 1: someone who might be kind of hitting that wall right now.
34:48
Speaker 1: It's a great question, and everybody has dreams and aspirations.
34:52
Speaker 1: I go back to college a little bit in my
34:54
Speaker 1: mind on this, and in college, obviously we had a
34:57
Speaker 1: great run and everybody wanted to ask, like, Okay, you know,
35:00
Speaker 1: do you think you're what round? Do you think you're
35:02
Speaker 1: going to get drafted? Okay, what do you think you
35:05
Speaker 1: should win? The Heisman Trophy and all this stuff? And
35:07
Speaker 1: my mentality has always been if the team has success,
35:11
Speaker 1: all that our stuff takes care of itself. The only
35:13
Speaker 1: thing that matters is to me is the team's success.
35:16
Speaker 1: Because if if I'm focused on those things and the
35:21
Speaker 1: team wins and I maybe miss out on that opportunity,
35:24
Speaker 1: but I'm still locked in on the team and we
35:27
Speaker 1: win because of that, I can live with myself. What
35:30
Speaker 1: I can't live with is if I'm worried about this
35:32
Speaker 1: other stuff and I'm not one hundred percent focused on
35:35
Speaker 1: the team and all of a sudden we lose a
35:37
Speaker 1: game that maybe cost us a chance to be in
35:39
Speaker 1: the National Championship, that I couldn't live with. I wouldn't
35:42
Speaker 1: be able to live with myself, you know. So if
35:44
Speaker 1: I if I miss out on something because I'm one
35:47
Speaker 1: hundred percent focused and committed to our team success, then
35:52
Speaker 1: then I can live with. I can live with that.
35:55
Speaker 1: I love that answer. We not me. I know McVeagh
35:58
Speaker 1: has that plastered all over in Los Angeles. That's their
36:01
Speaker 1: whole facility is we not me. And after you get
36:04
Speaker 1: a little success, and the Rams did have a lot
36:06
Speaker 1: of success, that there starts to be a little bit
36:09
Speaker 1: and then we go to Buffalo, We're starting to see
36:11
Speaker 1: some guys get a little recognition. How do you keep
36:13
Speaker 1: them humbled. Josh included, how do you keep them humbled?
36:16
Speaker 1: The Hey, we haven't done squad yet, Well, I think
36:18
Speaker 1: it's one. Uh what what Sean and Brandon have been
36:21
Speaker 1: able to do? Bring in the right people. I mean
36:24
Speaker 1: this is as as good of a as a team
36:27
Speaker 1: I've been around in terms of one, you know, bring
36:31
Speaker 1: in talented guys, but then also tremendous people, Guys who
36:36
Speaker 1: are you know, committed to each other, uh, committed to
36:39
Speaker 1: the one common goal, you know. And I think that's
36:42
Speaker 1: just through through character and through through bring in people
36:46
Speaker 1: that that fit the culture and which those guys and
36:49
Speaker 1: us and as an organization are trying to build. I
36:51
Speaker 1: think that's huge. And then at the same time, our
36:54
Speaker 1: guys understanding, look, I mean we haven't won anything yet.
36:58
Speaker 1: I mean it's such a it's such a week to
37:00
Speaker 1: week league. We've got to be so focused on this
37:03
Speaker 1: week and the right now, because if you don't take
37:07
Speaker 1: that mindset, then you're not going to have the sustained
37:10
Speaker 1: success that you want because you're constantly looking ahead or
37:12
Speaker 1: you're constantly looking back. You've got to focus on right now,
37:15
Speaker 1: and you've got to live in the moment right now.
37:17
Speaker 1: Otherwise you have no chance to accomplish what you want
37:20
Speaker 1: to accomplish in the future. Can we go through a
37:22
Speaker 1: little story of time, because that Miami team was my
37:25
Speaker 1: favorite college football team. I've got friends who are like,
37:28
Speaker 1: I like Charlie Ward Nebraska, or I you know, Charlie
37:31
Speaker 1: Ward Florida State, or I like Tommy Frasier Nebraska. I'm like,
37:34
Speaker 1: give me book, David Larry Coker Canes football, no doubt.
37:38
Speaker 1: Could you for the listener who might be a little
37:40
Speaker 1: younger or might not be as into the college game,
37:42
Speaker 1: can you just go through some of the players on
37:44
Speaker 1: the team from that from that squad, it was fun.
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean my first couple of years being able to
37:49
Speaker 1: throw with guys to the Reggie Waynes and the Santana Mosses,
37:53
Speaker 1: the Jeremy Shocky's, you know, and those guys and shoot.
37:57
Speaker 1: In the National Championship game, Willis mcgahey was playing fullback
38:00
Speaker 1: for US. Who are the other running backs? Who else
38:02
Speaker 1: did you have had Willis mcgahey, Clinton, Porus? Uh, Frank
38:07
Speaker 1: Gore Um? You know? So yeah, those guys were in
38:11
Speaker 1: our back our backfield and wide receivers were who Reggie
38:15
Speaker 1: Wayne and Johnson? Uh? Santana Moss and then Andre Andre
38:19
Speaker 1: was the backup who kind of killed those guys need
38:23
Speaker 1: a break. We had a guy named Andrea King who
38:25
Speaker 1: was our slot receiver, played in the league and winslow well.
38:30
Speaker 1: So Kellen came in as a as a wide receiver,
38:33
Speaker 1: played wide receiver early on, and then once Shocky left,
38:36
Speaker 1: moved to tight end. So I had Kellen my senior year,
38:39
Speaker 1: and then on on. On defense, it was a whole
38:41
Speaker 1: other You had the Ed Reids and the Sean Taylors
38:44
Speaker 1: and Vince Woolf forks Um, Mike Rump and Philip Buchanan
38:48
Speaker 1: who were first round corners, Johnathon Jonathan Villam and Dan
38:51
Speaker 1: morgan Um. I mean, it's it's when you look back
38:55
Speaker 1: at like those games and you see kind of like
38:58
Speaker 1: a team picture. It really is ridiculous and uh just
39:03
Speaker 1: unbelievably special kind of what that group was able to together.
39:06
Speaker 1: And and honestly, the thing I really learned from it
39:09
Speaker 1: too was those guys like like Ed Reid didn't come
39:13
Speaker 1: in as like at five star Yeah yeah, you know,
39:16
Speaker 1: I mean, like he came in as as a freshman
39:19
Speaker 1: like every other freshman. What made Ed Reid ed Reid
39:22
Speaker 1: was one the amount of work it took, and then
39:24
Speaker 1: to the culture in which was built of just the
39:27
Speaker 1: competition and every day it was a knockdown, drag out
39:31
Speaker 1: in practice like every day like it was a mission
39:34
Speaker 1: in my life to beat at Reid, you know, and
39:38
Speaker 1: get them on something and score touchdowns against that defense
39:43
Speaker 1: like it was. It was just a competitive atmosphere that
39:46
Speaker 1: really drove a mentality of constantly getting better every single day.
39:52
Speaker 1: Your best Jeremy Shockey story in sixty seconds, what do
39:54
Speaker 1: you got? Oh man? Uh well, obviously, like the one
39:59
Speaker 1: thing that that always sticks out to me is just, uh,
40:03
Speaker 1: Larry Coker comes up to me and he goes, hey,
40:05
Speaker 1: you know, we got this guy coming in from from
40:07
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, small town, you know, and I don't know,
40:11
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how well he's gonna fit it, adjustice,
40:14
Speaker 1: So yeah, how's he going to adjust everything? It was
40:17
Speaker 1: jaredy shocky and he let's say, he fitted just fine
40:20
Speaker 1: in the Miami area and on that team, so you
40:23
Speaker 1: didn't have any issues. Sean Taylor memories anything that sticks out.
40:29
Speaker 1: He was so amazing just in terms of early on,
40:32
Speaker 1: you knew this kid was getting that he seeking miss
40:35
Speaker 1: play the whole time, you know, and just I mean
40:39
Speaker 1: he was unbelieved. Just when you when you're back there,
40:41
Speaker 1: it's like just the size and range in which he
40:44
Speaker 1: had was incredible, you know, and instincts and everything, so
40:48
Speaker 1: you always remember those things and just the the physical tools.
40:52
Speaker 1: And then also, like I said, just the type of
40:55
Speaker 1: guy he was, like, he's just a you know, a
40:57
Speaker 1: guy that you just want to spend time with and
40:59
Speaker 1: hang out with. He was. He was a good dude.
41:01
Speaker 1: You know. Um, let's go forward to the Miami game.
41:05
Speaker 1: Obviously we see this video of you getting frustrated. I
41:08
Speaker 1: kind of liked it. I think Josh Allen liked it.
41:10
Speaker 1: I don't want that to be like the persona of
41:13
Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey of like this guy up in the box.
41:16
Speaker 1: What's been the fall out of that the last comas
41:18
Speaker 1: and have you leaned into it or are you like,
41:20
Speaker 1: let's move on from that. Because we had Robert Sala
41:22
Speaker 1: in week one and he made it or the first
41:24
Speaker 1: episode and he had a comment about, you know, I'm
41:26
Speaker 1: taking taking receipts for everyone whose question does and I
41:28
Speaker 1: asked Hi about it, and he's like, you know, honestly,
41:31
Speaker 1: I didn't love that. I said, that, and I hope
41:33
Speaker 1: it goes away the clip with you, like, I kind
41:36
Speaker 1: of liked the intensity, but I don't know if that's
41:38
Speaker 1: how you wanted to be represented on you know, future
41:41
Speaker 1: interviews being asked about that, No, no doubt. And I
41:44
Speaker 1: think you know, you learn from your experiences, and we're human,
41:47
Speaker 1: you know, and we all we all have reactions as
41:51
Speaker 1: human beings. You know, you get frustrated or or whatever
41:54
Speaker 1: it is that you're like, I wish I had handled
41:56
Speaker 1: that differently, you know, and that's one of them. And
41:58
Speaker 1: when you were you're in the course of a game
42:00
Speaker 1: like that and you're playing, you know, your your guys
42:02
Speaker 1: were giving you you know, they're hard and soul out
42:04
Speaker 1: on the field, you know, and every single ounce of
42:07
Speaker 1: everything they have, um, you know, and you're playing ninety
42:11
Speaker 1: plays in that heat and you're losing guys and other
42:13
Speaker 1: guys are having to step in and uh and and
42:16
Speaker 1: perform at a high level in which they did. You know,
42:19
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of your your commit your guys and
42:21
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you love those guys and you
42:23
Speaker 1: appreciate everything they're doing for you. So you know, at
42:26
Speaker 1: the time, it's like when when the game ends, and
42:28
Speaker 1: you lose in a in a tough way. You're you're frustrated,
42:31
Speaker 1: you're you're upset, and you know, but you learn and
42:34
Speaker 1: you learn from it and you're like, Okay, I need
42:36
Speaker 1: to make sure I handle this in a different way.
42:38
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're never going to take
42:40
Speaker 1: the the burning desire to win out of the game
42:44
Speaker 1: for you. I loved about it, and you didn't swear
42:46
Speaker 1: on camera. I was like, I kind of liked it.
42:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this Bill's team and that coach
42:51
Speaker 1: up there, they're pissed they lost that way, and like,
42:53
Speaker 1: that's that's something I think every fan can appreciate. No, Yeah,
42:56
Speaker 1: and I think you know, it's it's like any any sport.
42:59
Speaker 1: You see it every you know, in all sports, whether
43:01
Speaker 1: it's a you know, uh an NBA coach can eject
43:05
Speaker 1: it from game or uh, you know, a baseball manager
43:08
Speaker 1: getting injected. Whatever. You're so you're so committed to your
43:13
Speaker 1: guys and you love your guys, and you want, you know,
43:16
Speaker 1: nothing but success for the organization and for your guys,
43:20
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, as as you grow and learn
43:24
Speaker 1: these things, you learn, Okay, well, there's way ways to
43:27
Speaker 1: obviously handle that, but um, you know, I don't think
43:30
Speaker 1: you ever want to take that that burning desire, you know,
43:34
Speaker 1: out of any player you have or any coach that
43:37
Speaker 1: you have. But at the same time, just handle it
43:39
Speaker 1: it and maybe in a different way. Okay for listeners
43:42
Speaker 1: who aren't Bills fans, getting to know you now on
43:44
Speaker 1: this podcast, tell us about your family life, your professional aspirations,
43:49
Speaker 1: and more or less give us the Ken Dorsey Elevator
43:53
Speaker 1: stage of core you and what are your core values?
43:55
Speaker 1: In about sixty seconds. Well, I think the biggest thing
43:58
Speaker 1: for me is, uh, you know, I I love ball.
44:01
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a I've got a family who
44:03
Speaker 1: loves ball because they don't see me. So my wife, uh,
44:07
Speaker 1: somebody who's uh has committed to football. She hates watching
44:10
Speaker 1: watching ball with other people because they talk to her
44:13
Speaker 1: about non football things. My wife too. And I'm not
44:16
Speaker 1: even a coach. It's like, if it's not football, I
44:18
Speaker 1: don't really have any other interests at this moment. Yeah, exactly.
44:21
Speaker 1: So she does a great job with the kids and
44:24
Speaker 1: and uh in the season because she's a single mom
44:26
Speaker 1: during the year, um, and and has no complaints about
44:30
Speaker 1: that helps me. So you know that's that's the biggest
44:33
Speaker 1: thing for me and uh at home. And then you know,
44:36
Speaker 1: from from aspect of what I believe in, my beliefs
44:40
Speaker 1: are arecast simple in terms of coaching I believe in
44:42
Speaker 1: and you know, playing with speed, physicality and discipline, and uh,
44:47
Speaker 1: I think if you play with those three things as
44:49
Speaker 1: an offense, you're gonna always give yourself a chance to win. Ken.
44:53
Speaker 1: That was good. That was really good. My last thing,
44:55
Speaker 1: Josh Allen cam Newton, You've coached some great NFL quarterbreds.
44:59
Speaker 1: Do they have any idea what a badass you were
45:01
Speaker 1: in college? Like? Do they know? Did did they ever
45:04
Speaker 1: go back, like to cam Newton coming in as VP
45:06
Speaker 1: and all the stuff. Does he look back and be like, Yo, coach,
45:10
Speaker 1: pretty damn good yourself, Like, did they know? Did these
45:12
Speaker 1: young guys know? I think I think they're getting less
45:15
Speaker 1: and less aware, you know. But Josh, Josh likes to
45:19
Speaker 1: give me a hard time about it and everything. He likes.
45:22
Speaker 1: He likes to joke, He likes to go around tell
45:24
Speaker 1: him any anybody who talks to an interview or whatever,
45:27
Speaker 1: that I just basically walking around with a stamped on
45:30
Speaker 1: my forehead that was thirty two as a start st
45:34
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like like uh like, I you know, skill around.
45:38
Speaker 1: Just that's the first thing when I introduced myself endors
45:41
Speaker 1: I was thirty eighty two as a starter in college.
45:44
Speaker 1: I feel like twenty five years ago, I was a
45:47
Speaker 1: al Bundy Polk High School. That's exactly right, exactly right.
45:50
Speaker 1: But I think, uh, I think they they kind of
45:54
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's stage of the Internet and uh
45:58
Speaker 1: obviously social media and everything, so they can look up anything.
46:00
Speaker 1: So I think anytime you know you're new, they automatically
46:04
Speaker 1: just google to see what you're all about. Awesome, Well,
46:08
Speaker 1: you're all about ball and you're all about winning football
46:11
Speaker 1: right now, I just wanted to thank you so much
46:12
Speaker 1: during the season coming on our podcast, and Ken, I
46:15
Speaker 1: just wish you need the best of luck. You're a
46:17
Speaker 1: great dude, and you're really well respected around the league.
46:20
Speaker 1: And I hope that the listeners get a glimpse right
46:22
Speaker 1: now from this podcast of what a great guy you are.
46:24
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining man, No, I appreciate you, Hammy, thank
46:27
Speaker 1: you so good. Ken Dorse, the offensive coordinator and the
46:30
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and a thirty eight and two starter in college.
46:33
Speaker 1: Don't ever forget it, all right, So from one place
46:40
Speaker 1: where things are going great right now Buffalo and everyone's
46:43
Speaker 1: feeling themselves and the offense is awesome, to another where
46:46
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Tampa Bay. This might
46:49
Speaker 1: be the least entertaining team in football right now. I
46:51
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with Tom Brady. They lose
46:53
Speaker 1: to the Carolina Panthers, a team that had a lot
46:56
Speaker 1: of spirit, but certainly if you look at the rosters,
46:58
Speaker 1: did not have the same caliber of skill position players
47:01
Speaker 1: and talent to go up there and just absolutely beat them.
47:04
Speaker 1: Last week I watched Tampa Bay. I'm confused. And if
47:09
Speaker 1: you love this podcast, you love our segment called make
47:11
Speaker 1: Me Smarter, where I bring in my guy, Tony Holzman
47:15
Speaker 1: s Coran. Now, Tony is star researcher at the NFL Network,
47:19
Speaker 1: and he is so much more. But one of Tony's
47:21
Speaker 1: greatest qualities is that he makes me smarter. He sends
47:23
Speaker 1: email he's like, hey, did you know this? And during
47:25
Speaker 1: the combine in the draft, he's got all the information. Tony,
47:28
Speaker 1: what's good? Hey, what's up? Strikes you are far too kind,
47:31
Speaker 1: but I appreciate you. Yeah, all right, Well let's take
47:35
Speaker 1: the compliments and let's keep on rolling because we're about
47:37
Speaker 1: to get negative. Make me smarter. I know I've seen
47:42
Speaker 1: Brady have some bad games, but like I never is
47:46
Speaker 1: this the worst we've seen Tom Brady. I mean, it's
47:48
Speaker 1: definitely the worst start he's had as far as win
47:51
Speaker 1: loss record since two thousand and two, which was his
47:53
Speaker 1: only true non playoff season as a starter, excluding two
47:56
Speaker 1: thousand and eight when he had the knee injury in
47:57
Speaker 1: Week one. And Brady's averaging his fewest past touchdowns per
48:00
Speaker 1: game since becoming a starter. So it hasn't been the
48:04
Speaker 1: greatest start down to Tampa Bay, like you alluded to. Yeah,
48:07
Speaker 1: so let's ask about that because I watched these games
48:09
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's not like Brady's getting like it's
48:13
Speaker 1: it's not the Joe Burrow the first two weeks where
48:15
Speaker 1: Burrow's running like a chicken with his head cut off
48:16
Speaker 1: because the offensive line can't protect them. It's not like
48:18
Speaker 1: it's you see some of these other teams at the
48:21
Speaker 1: offensive line, it's just an absolute sieve. Brady's looking like
48:24
Speaker 1: he's got time in the pocket and then he's just misfiring.
48:27
Speaker 1: So make me smarter, Like, what the hell's going on? Well,
48:31
Speaker 1: The offensive line did go through a lot of changes
48:33
Speaker 1: this year as we saw like the interior offensive line
48:35
Speaker 1: get decimated with Ali Marpet retiring, Alex Kappa going to
48:38
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and then Ryan Jensen suffering that serious and
48:41
Speaker 1: the injury and training camp. But where Brady's been struggling
48:45
Speaker 1: the most is under pressure. Last season, he has had
48:47
Speaker 1: the fifth highest PAS rating under pressure in the NFL
48:49
Speaker 1: according to our in house next Gent stats which I
48:51
Speaker 1: always gotta plug love next Gen stats. This season, he
48:54
Speaker 1: has the third lowest passer rating under pressure. He literally,
48:58
Speaker 1: if he threw every one of his passing attempts under
49:01
Speaker 1: pressure into the stands, he would have the same passer
49:03
Speaker 1: rating that he has right now. So it hasn't been
49:05
Speaker 1: going great under pressure for Brady. Wow, So what is it?
49:08
Speaker 1: Give us the numbers? Like, if you throw only in completions,
49:12
Speaker 1: you have a pass rating of thirty nine point six.
49:14
Speaker 1: You can't get any lower than that if you don't
49:16
Speaker 1: throw picks and you're just only throw in completions. Brady'sasser
49:18
Speaker 1: rating under pressure this season is thirty nine points six.
49:22
Speaker 1: All right, So part of me, part of me wants
49:24
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, they play Thursday night Brady gets a win,
49:27
Speaker 1: suddenly they're back in first place. And here we go,
49:30
Speaker 1: we're on this run and we all look stupid and
49:31
Speaker 1: there's egg on our face for even doubting him. Then
49:33
Speaker 1: part of me is like, it's going through a personal
49:36
Speaker 1: situation with his marriage. The gronk's not there, the offensive
49:40
Speaker 1: line sucks. If you were to bet, do you think
49:42
Speaker 1: Brady turns us around and it's the old Brady or
49:44
Speaker 1: do you think Tony Based on the numbers and based
49:47
Speaker 1: on what you see, Hey, there's a cliff and Tom
49:50
Speaker 1: Brady's fallen off it. I mean, I want to preface
49:53
Speaker 1: this by saying, we're talking about seven times Super Bowl champion,
49:56
Speaker 1: greatest resume in NFL history, forty five year old dude
49:59
Speaker 1: who's playing with dudes who could be his son. But
50:05
Speaker 1: Brady is the least pressure quarterback in the NFL, even
50:07
Speaker 1: though we're talking about bad pressure. But it's because he
50:09
Speaker 1: has to get the ball out faster than any quarterback
50:11
Speaker 1: in the NFL. His average time to throw is two
50:14
Speaker 1: point four seconds, which is faster than what next gen
50:17
Speaker 1: SATs defines his quick passes. But the quick passes have
50:20
Speaker 1: still kind of been there. He has seven of his
50:21
Speaker 1: eight passing touchdowns on those throws this season. But it's
50:24
Speaker 1: those longer developing players that Brady hasn't been hitting on
50:27
Speaker 1: this year. Over the last two seasons, when he had
50:29
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns in each of those years, he led the
50:32
Speaker 1: NFL and pass touchdowns and in rhythm throws, which is
50:35
Speaker 1: basically that sweet spot between quick passes and extended throws.
50:38
Speaker 1: This season, he has no touchdowns on those passes. The
50:41
Speaker 1: thing that worries me is the Buccaneers rush offense. They've
50:44
Speaker 1: never been a team to run a ball a lot.
50:45
Speaker 1: The problem is this year they're averaging sixty four yards
50:48
Speaker 1: a game. That's not only the fewest in the NFL
50:51
Speaker 1: this season, if that continued, it would be the fewest
50:53
Speaker 1: by any team in the Super Bowl era since nineteen
50:55
Speaker 1: sixty six. That is a bad thing. They don't run
50:57
Speaker 1: the ball and they're bad at it when they run
50:59
Speaker 1: the ball. This has also contributed to their third down
51:02
Speaker 1: percentage of being down by like ten points this year. Huge.
51:05
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't run the ball, you can
51:06
Speaker 1: get ahead of the change like it's harder in the
51:07
Speaker 1: NFL when you have third and long. Those those things
51:10
Speaker 1: are definitely concerned to me. But I will say this,
51:11
Speaker 1: I'm never going to root against Tom Brady. Done it before,
51:15
Speaker 1: not rooting? Are you picking against him? Forget rooting. I
51:17
Speaker 1: don't care about your your fan name. Yeah I missed,
51:20
Speaker 1: I'm I missed at that. I'm not even a Patriots fan,
51:23
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not ever betting against Tom Brady.
51:27
Speaker 1: Got it turning it around because we've all bet against
51:30
Speaker 1: him before and saw him in twenty nineteen like is
51:33
Speaker 1: it over? Yep? Like is it over? And then he
51:35
Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. There was an America's Game I guess
51:38
Speaker 1: it was. It must have been the twenty nineteen team
51:41
Speaker 1: when they beat the Rams. And half of that America's
51:44
Speaker 1: Game series is just me and Nate burrel issing, crapping
51:47
Speaker 1: all over the Patriots and then like they would cut
51:49
Speaker 1: to us on Good Morning Football and then show them
51:51
Speaker 1: like rallying and winning, and I was like, oh, thanks,
51:53
Speaker 1: NFL Films, gonna put me in a good spot. I'm
51:56
Speaker 1: not doubting Brady either, but seven weeks a pretty good
51:59
Speaker 1: sample size. I'll check in after ten weeks if it
52:02
Speaker 1: doesn't get gone. I don't think it's suddenly going to
52:04
Speaker 1: magically happen for sure, Thanksgiving. Is it like at that
52:07
Speaker 1: line of what team are you? Who are you? This year?
52:10
Speaker 1: There's a big matchup with the Mark coming up, which
52:12
Speaker 1: is two quarterbacks who should probably be better in the
52:14
Speaker 1: win loss record than they are this season. Yeah, Tony,
52:17
Speaker 1: you always win. Thank you for making me smarter. I
52:18
Speaker 1: appreciate you for having me shrinks for I really do.
52:21
Speaker 1: Every week on this podcast, I'm gonna bring on one
52:24
Speaker 1: of my personal friends, either someone in the NFL world
52:27
Speaker 1: or someone that is like a real friend, a guy
52:30
Speaker 1: that I've known since high school or college, and they're
52:32
Speaker 1: gonna give me a take. And this particular one is
52:35
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, Noah. Noah and I went
52:38
Speaker 1: to college together at Emory University. Noah's like the first
52:42
Speaker 1: guy I met on campus. He was a Jersey Shore guy,
52:44
Speaker 1: just like me. We were living in Atlanta, we had
52:46
Speaker 1: no idea what was going on down there, and we
52:48
Speaker 1: have been best friends ever since. Noah listened to the
52:51
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd podcast and he heard something that he had
52:55
Speaker 1: to respond to. Let's toss to Paul Rudd last week
52:58
Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Judge's sixty first home run ball and
53:01
Speaker 1: what happened to it. Sarah speaking of Sarah's Sarah Walsh, Yeah,
53:06
Speaker 1: whose husband caught the ball? Yes, Matt Bushman, Matt Bushman
53:11
Speaker 1: to just give the ball back? Do we have to
53:13
Speaker 1: tell the story? Okay? So here's seven. Uh. Sarah Wall,
53:15
Speaker 1: she was an announcer on NFL Network or reporter. She's great,
53:18
Speaker 1: has filled in on Good Morning Football multiple times. I
53:20
Speaker 1: know it's a story, it's a it's a it's a
53:22
Speaker 1: it's a weird of a context. But let's explain it. Well.
53:24
Speaker 1: When Aaron Judge hit me and tied the record, right,
53:27
Speaker 1: Her husband is the bullpen coach of the Toronto Blue
53:31
Speaker 1: Jays and had the ball in his hand, the number
53:33
Speaker 1: sixty two, and he gave the ball back to Aaron
53:36
Speaker 1: Judge then gave it to his mom and sixty one
53:39
Speaker 1: and uh and um and there was a big you know,
53:44
Speaker 1: absolutely what a cool move. And I would like to
53:48
Speaker 1: shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Way
53:51
Speaker 1: to go, Sarah, props to your husband. Good for you
53:56
Speaker 1: and you two Yes, great moments in NFL Network history.
53:59
Speaker 1: My boy Noah is listening to the podcast. He fired
54:02
Speaker 1: off a text to the group chat ladies, gentlemen, my
54:05
Speaker 1: man Noah no please respond and give us your take, Peter,
54:09
Speaker 1: I'm cringing over here. I'm cringing over here. So uh,
54:13
Speaker 1: let me start off by saying, no one knows plad
54:16
Speaker 1: more than me. Okay, one more than me? All right?
54:19
Speaker 1: His work as Josh and clueless, I mean an aspiring
54:23
Speaker 1: lawyer that like gets the girls song to it. I
54:27
Speaker 1: mean as a lawyer myself. He made being a lawyer
54:31
Speaker 1: an attractive thing to be for every women woman that
54:35
Speaker 1: came of age in the nineteen nineties, and I am
54:36
Speaker 1: forever grateful for that. But however, however, however, in talking
54:44
Speaker 1: about this home run ball, okay, he used two words
54:49
Speaker 1: in that clip you played that really stuck in my crop. Okay,
54:52
Speaker 1: And those two words were right thing. Okay. He said
54:55
Speaker 1: that Bushman did the quote right thing. I would like
54:59
Speaker 1: to shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Now,
55:03
Speaker 1: maybe for aunt Man or you know, I'm a former
55:07
Speaker 1: MLB star married to one of your NFL colleagues. They
55:11
Speaker 1: can give away a two million dollar lotting ticket and
55:14
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. But but for me,
55:17
Speaker 1: and you know me, Peter, I'm a man of the people,
55:19
Speaker 1: if anything, a man of the people, A man of
55:21
Speaker 1: the people, Okay, speak for the common man, the common man.
55:24
Speaker 1: And what I'm worried about is when it's not you know,
55:28
Speaker 1: Phoebe's boyfriend that gets the ball here, but it's some
55:32
Speaker 1: you know, random, some kid, some average joe who gets
55:36
Speaker 1: the next valuable ball. Is this innocent person. Is this
55:40
Speaker 1: Joe the plumber gonna be harassed and harangue because he
55:45
Speaker 1: didn't do the quote right thing? Okay? So I'm looking
55:48
Speaker 1: out for the people, and you know that am not me.
55:51
Speaker 1: I do think that like here we are, we're all
55:53
Speaker 1: Pollyanna here. You know, I don't care how much money
55:56
Speaker 1: you know, Bushman and Walsh have as a collective, as
55:59
Speaker 1: a couple. You gave away a million dollars right there.
56:01
Speaker 1: You just gave away for what for his mommy to
56:03
Speaker 1: have it exactly. It's it's a crazy thing to do.
56:06
Speaker 1: I mean, Judge is obviously he's obviously doing okay for himself,
56:10
Speaker 1: we can say. But let me ask you a question, Peter,
56:13
Speaker 1: when you were a kid, you'd go to you'd go
56:14
Speaker 1: to baseball games, I assume every now and then, and
56:17
Speaker 1: would you maybe take your baseball glove, your mitt, bringing
56:20
Speaker 1: a mint, you bring the mat, and why would you
56:22
Speaker 1: bring the mint, Why would you want you want the
56:24
Speaker 1: ball you just in case there's a ball you have.
56:27
Speaker 1: You go to the game with a with a dream
56:29
Speaker 1: that you're gonna catch that ball. Okay, you do that
56:33
Speaker 1: because there's a social contract that we've all entered into
56:36
Speaker 1: when we go to an with the MLB that when
56:38
Speaker 1: you catch that ball, it is your ball. Imagine because
56:40
Speaker 1: you go to the game, you catch that ball, and
56:42
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now Paul Rudd has told the
56:45
Speaker 1: world that's the right thing. You gotta give it back.
56:47
Speaker 1: I can't stand for that, Peter, you know that I'm
56:49
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go one step further. Last year, Mike
56:51
Speaker 1: Evans catches a touchdown pass and throws it into the
56:55
Speaker 1: stands and the guy in the stands gives it back
56:58
Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers and the exchange gets like a signed
57:01
Speaker 1: Tom Brady jersey, and everyone's like, well, that was a
57:03
Speaker 1: good story. You know you and I were texting. Then
57:06
Speaker 1: you are outrage that that guy. Yeah, I see it.
57:08
Speaker 1: I see it all the time, Peter, and I don't
57:10
Speaker 1: like it. And I don't like it. Listen, if that
57:13
Speaker 1: is your listen, if you want to give it back,
57:15
Speaker 1: that's your prerogative. I'm gonna question you. I might not
57:19
Speaker 1: trust you with my finances if you're making these decisions,
57:22
Speaker 1: that's up to you. But but yeah, like, if it's me, listen,
57:26
Speaker 1: I'm taking the two million dollars, okay, and I'll go
57:28
Speaker 1: into my grave having not done the right thing. I'll
57:32
Speaker 1: live with it. You're right, you know, the Marvel universe
57:36
Speaker 1: might make it a different decision for some people. But
57:38
Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I don't know that'd be a
57:40
Speaker 1: real moral and ethical debate. Like what because Aaron Judge
57:43
Speaker 1: gets it handed to his mother and everyone says, oh,
57:46
Speaker 1: that's a nice one that we all forget about the
57:48
Speaker 1: next day. Matt Bushman, he's sitting there all right, back
57:51
Speaker 1: to job, and I just gave away a million dollars.
57:53
Speaker 1: Do I get up pat in the back every single day? No? Does?
57:57
Speaker 1: Does Matt Bushman not have car payments to make? I mean,
57:59
Speaker 1: come on, give a guy a break, let him let
58:01
Speaker 1: him collect this, collect it all right. So the take
58:05
Speaker 1: here is that we are not for shaming those who
58:08
Speaker 1: do not give back the record breaking ball to the
58:11
Speaker 1: athlete or to the athlete's mother. Yeah, that's exactly right.
58:14
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into an ethical argument about
58:17
Speaker 1: the you know, John Stuart Mill and you two the
58:18
Speaker 1: terriyanism with Paul Rodd here, but I would I would
58:22
Speaker 1: ask him to go to a little self reflection on
58:24
Speaker 1: what makes it the quote right thing? Okay, I love
58:27
Speaker 1: you dude, you nailed it. Incredible, Noah, thank you, thank you,
58:31
Speaker 1: thank you. This is a dream, a dream to be on.
58:34
Speaker 1: This is my sixty first home run ball, so thank
58:36
Speaker 1: you for making it. And I'm not gonna rob you
58:38
Speaker 1: of it. Awesome and there you have it. That's what
58:41
Speaker 1: this podcast is. It's takes on, takes on takes, it's
58:44
Speaker 1: insight and today I can't thank our guests enough. Ken
58:48
Speaker 1: Dorsey incredible. He's gonna be in the running for a
58:51
Speaker 1: lot of head coaching jobs. You got to know him
58:53
Speaker 1: first on this podcast. I thought he was wonderful. And
58:55
Speaker 1: I'll go down to Coral Gables in the early two
58:57
Speaker 1: thousands on Memory Lane anytime you want to talk ed Reid,
59:00
Speaker 1: Sean Taylor, and Jeremy Shockey, Tony our guy from the
59:03
Speaker 1: NFL research department, explaining that Brady is as bad as
59:07
Speaker 1: it looks. And then of course my boy Noah coming in.
59:10
Speaker 1: But you know, Aaron, I ask you three for three.
59:13
Speaker 1: I feel like this podcast was a home run. That
59:14
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, it was not the take I was
59:16
Speaker 1: expecting when you said you wanted to talk about Aaron Judge,
59:19
Speaker 1: and it was great. I loved it. There we go, guys,
59:22
Speaker 1: till next week. Thanks for listening. It's the Season with
59:25
Speaker 1: Peter Schreeger. Keep on subscribing, and please tell your friends.
59:49
Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the
59:52
Speaker 1: NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iheartradiovi
59:56
Speaker 1: is it the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get
1:00:00
Speaker 1: your podcasts,