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INFANT GIRL, VANESSA, DISAPPEARS NEW HAVEN, MOM FOUND DEAD · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell. Tonight, a precious little infant girl, Vanessa, just fourteen
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  Speaker 1: months old, disappears out of Tony and New Haven, Connecticut.
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  Speaker 1: Her mother found dead. Good evening, I Meancy Grais, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us.
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  Speaker 2: We know where Christine is. You know what you want
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  Speaker 2: to the baby? Yes, Christine's dead. It's a homicide. There's
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  Speaker 2: nothing that I can tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not clear.
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  Speaker 5: The person we're trying to find by your own kids,
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  Speaker 5: those dess something.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing this? This is a Smith Romans on
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  Speaker 2: your police all.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Hey, I am the girl here.
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  Speaker 2: That's saying that she's the sister of Christina Holloway. All right,
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  Speaker 2: is that Christina your girlfriend?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: She's saying that she couldn't contact her all day today.
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  Speaker 7: She said that she talked to you today and you
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  Speaker 7: said you saw.
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  Speaker 2: Her leave this morning. I'm in the morning to go
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  Speaker 2: to work the money. Who is she? Who is she
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  Speaker 2: when you today? Is that your baby as well?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? What is what does she drive? Two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: two milester for today? What color is it?
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  Speaker 3: Name? Gold?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Mom is found dead, but where is the baby? Let's
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  Speaker 1: see a photo of baby Vanessa. Do you know how
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  Speaker 1: many millions of people would pay sixty eighty one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more to get a baby like this?
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  Speaker 1: Where is Vanessa? You were just hearing the nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one call, joining us an all star panel. But
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  Speaker 1: before we go to reporters and experts, I want to
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  Speaker 1: go to two very special guests joining us tonight, Jody
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  Speaker 1: and Anna. Jody jacob Ella, the aunt of Vanessa Morales,
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  Speaker 1: and Anna Radonski, also an aunt of Vanessa Morales. Ladies,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: apologize upfront for making you relive the worst memories of
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  Speaker 1: your life, the worst thing that has ever happened, the
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  Speaker 1: murder of baby Vanessa's mother and the disappearance of a
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  Speaker 1: tiny baby who many, including me and law enforcement, believe
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  Speaker 1: is still alive and out there. Does she even know
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  Speaker 1: what has happened? Straight to you, Jody, how did you
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  Speaker 1: first learn about the murder of Vanessa's mom and that
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  Speaker 1: the baby's gone?
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  Speaker 3: That Monday, I was home from work because the Sunday
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  Speaker 3: prior was my birthday, and my soon to be a
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  Speaker 3: husband called me and said he got a call from
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  Speaker 3: his mother that his sister didn't show up from work.
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  Speaker 3: So we lived five minutes away, and I said, I'll
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  Speaker 3: go over there. I pulled up and didn't see her car,
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  Speaker 3: but it had just snowed, so there was footsteps going
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  Speaker 3: to her door. So I took a picture and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: and I sent it to him. I'm like, somebody was here.
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  Speaker 3: I'll try knocking, and I banged on the door. There
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  Speaker 3: was nothing. I tried to listen for Vanessa, crime or anything,
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  Speaker 3: any kind of distress. Nothing. I proceeded to go back
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  Speaker 3: home and I called my soon to be husband and
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  Speaker 3: told him what was going on. He came home, we
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  Speaker 3: picked me up, We went back there. Then I ended
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  Speaker 3: up googling Vanessa's father's mother's address in New Haven. We
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  Speaker 3: went over there. His stepfather answered the door, and Vanessa's
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  Speaker 3: father came to the door and I asked him a
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  Speaker 3: few questions. You know, when did you last time see them?
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  Speaker 3: He was like, oh, this morning they left for work,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I went to work and I said, okay,
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  Speaker 3: have you talked to her?
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  Speaker 6: And no.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to call her, but it's going to voicemail.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, well that's kind of funny because she
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  Speaker 3: has to call you while she's driving anywhere. And I said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you hear from them, I hear from her,
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  Speaker 3: give me a call. And I gave him myself number
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  Speaker 3: and I said better, yeah, call me from your number,
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  Speaker 3: so I have it. And once he did that, I
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  Speaker 3: ran back to the car and I started calling all
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  Speaker 3: the area hospitals just in case she was in a
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  Speaker 3: car accident, and nobody knew who she was. And at
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  Speaker 3: that time he had walked up to the car, which
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  Speaker 3: is Vanessa's father, and you know, acted like nothing. It
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  Speaker 3: was like, hey, what's up guys. You know she's shooting
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  Speaker 3: the breeze and I'm like, there's something seriously wrong here.
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  Speaker 3: With that, I asked him about the car, the make
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  Speaker 3: and the model. He told me Mazda Protege two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and four gold. With that we left. As we're driving,
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  Speaker 3: I wrote a note to Chrissy so we could put
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  Speaker 3: on her door to call me, her brother or her
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  Speaker 3: mother as soon as possible. It's an emergency. And with
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  Speaker 3: that I called Antonia PD said can you meet me
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  Speaker 3: at six and a half in Sonia six and a
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  Speaker 3: half Myrtle ab in Sonia and they said, well, can
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  Speaker 3: you come down to the station. I thought that was
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  Speaker 3: pretty odd, so we went and at the minute I
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  Speaker 3: got there, they're like, oh, we did a wellness check
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  Speaker 3: there today. We didn't know about this. We were never informed.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, you know, and they're like, well, she's
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  Speaker 3: just a runaway. No she's not. She's a forty something
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  Speaker 3: year old woman with a one year old. This is
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  Speaker 3: not like her. And I was arguing with the officer,
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  Speaker 3: fighting with him.
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  Speaker 1: And I referred to Vanessa's mother, Christine Holloway, as a runaway. Yes, ma'am, okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: And another officer came out like as if I was
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  Speaker 3: troubling him for assistance, and I gave him all the
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  Speaker 3: information that we had. I gave him Vanessa's father's phone number.
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  Speaker 3: He went in it back, did his thing with the phone. Call,
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  Speaker 3: came back, and I noticed his attitude changed. Now I
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  Speaker 3: know something was seriously wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Much of what you're saying, Jody jacob ellis this is
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  Speaker 1: baby Vanessa's aunt. He is confirmed. And what we're learning
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  Speaker 1: from that nine to one one call? Listen, oh it, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how you enjoying this?
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  Speaker 2: This is Officer Smith Romnstring your police all right? Hey,
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  Speaker 2: the girl here that's saying that she's the sister of Christina.
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  Speaker 4: All the way, all right?
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  Speaker 2: Is that Christina your girlfriend?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, she's saying that she couldn't contact her all day today.
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  Speaker 7: She said that she talked to you today.
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  Speaker 2: And you said you saw her leave this morning. I'm
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  Speaker 2: being in good morning, can go to work the money?
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  Speaker 2: Who is she? Who is she when you? Is that
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  Speaker 2: your baby as well? Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: What is what does she drive two thousand and two
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  Speaker 2: miles to today? What color is it?
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  Speaker 3: Name?
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  Speaker 2: Gold?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any did you talk to them at
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  Speaker 2: all today? Your Christina or your daughter?
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  Speaker 10: I did the first day in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: What time did you talk?
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  Speaker 3: Coming?
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  Speaker 4: Thanks?
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  Speaker 9: Six or seven?
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  Speaker 1: You've got Jodie and Jacob Ellis and Ana Radonsky out
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  Speaker 1: of their minds worried. So they get police to the home,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to see and hear what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a quick John, Okay, I'm earlier
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  Speaker 2: than today. We had a uh.
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  Speaker 11: Person technically just trying to make.
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  Speaker 2: Contact with that number six and a half or a laugh.
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  Speaker 2: They came out.
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  Speaker 11: They said, no car was in the driveway, no car
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  Speaker 11: was here another yeah, but there's no milwise, I think
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  Speaker 11: there's no mail on her, but you have no reason
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  Speaker 11: before we can't. We can't find their back year like listen, she.
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  Speaker 2: Had a mother of one year old. She's always showed
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  Speaker 2: up or she always contacts us. We don't see we
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard from her. This is really really bad. We
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  Speaker 2: have a bad feelings.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: We just get to the house and now there's a
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  Speaker 2: couple of windows open on the second floor. It's really
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  Speaker 2: on because obviously he's freezing out. I had him doing
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  Speaker 2: a neighborood canvas. One of the neighbors said, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: saw him.
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  Speaker 3: I saw him drive it out, driving.
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  Speaker 2: Her car out of here this afternoon. I can't get
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  Speaker 2: it to the house. I'm going to kick in the
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  Speaker 2: door in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Anna Rodoski joining us, also a relative
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  Speaker 1: of the mom found dad and the baby missing baby Vanessa.
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  Speaker 1: What did it mean Anna that there's no mail in
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  Speaker 1: the mailbox? Why was that critical? Because there's two comments
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  Speaker 1: made and at a time when you're trying to find
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  Speaker 1: somebody missing, including a baby, for someone to comment there's
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  Speaker 1: no mail in the mailbox, that means something. And they're
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  Speaker 1: saying we have a really bad feeling. In my experience,
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  Speaker 1: mister Dronsky, victims and their families somehow have a sense
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  Speaker 1: of foreboding. They know they know here and here before
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  Speaker 1: they've been told. Tell me about the mail and what
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  Speaker 1: brought about that feeling of foreboding.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So I am Chrissy's aunt and I lived in
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  Speaker 8: the house with her when she grew up, so we're
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  Speaker 8: really really close.
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  Speaker 10: And when Jordy and Stephen called me, because I was
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  Speaker 10: living in Nashville at the time, and when they called
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  Speaker 10: me to tell me that there was something going on
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  Speaker 10: in that Christy didn't go to work. And Christy and
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  Speaker 10: Vanessa are like two peas in a pod. They're always together.
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  Speaker 10: She always goes to work, you know. Then said you
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  Speaker 10: need to call the police. You need to just go
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  Speaker 10: there like something's wrong. Bust the door down.
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  Speaker 8: I'll get in there.
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  Speaker 10: Because this was like, you know, Christy was very recommended,
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  Speaker 10: you know, taking care of her daughter, going to work,
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  Speaker 10: coming home, making dinner and everything, bathtime.
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  Speaker 8: So we knew something something that was really not good.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us in All Star Paneling addition to Jody jacob
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  Speaker 1: Ellis and Anna Radonski leading the search for baby Vanessa tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Gould is with US former Nassau County that's New
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  Speaker 1: York lieutenant, founding member of the New York NYPD K
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  Speaker 1: nine unit. Former National Guardsman, worked on secret service detail
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  Speaker 1: for not one, but two presidents. You know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of especially talking heads not you, that have never tried
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  Speaker 1: a case or never investigated a case. They get on
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  Speaker 1: airon pontificated. It's very irritating. They discount witnesses and victims, victims'
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  Speaker 1: families feelings of foreboding. If somebody told me that my
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  Speaker 1: son or daughter did not make it to work this morning,
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  Speaker 1: they've got summer jobs, I would know something was very wrong.
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  Speaker 1: They never missed school or work. Or my husband if
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  Speaker 1: he didn't come home when I think he's going to
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  Speaker 1: come home, I would just go straight ahead and call
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  Speaker 1: nine one one, because it's like clockwork, the three of them.
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  Speaker 1: So you cannot discount a feeling of foreboding.
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  Speaker 6: So, yeah, families are intimately familiar with their family members' behaviors.
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  Speaker 6: Law enforcement is not, so they sentences sometimes be insensitive
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  Speaker 6: and dismiss things that they shouldn't be dismissing. So, of
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  Speaker 6: course it's more than just a gut feeling. Or foreboding.
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  Speaker 6: It's a pattern of their behavior that they know is
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  Speaker 6: not part of this case. So they have to be
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  Speaker 6: taken extremely, extremely serious of and law enforcement has to
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  Speaker 6: take that, of course, into account.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to that police body cam and see
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  Speaker 1: what we can learn.
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  Speaker 2: Please file it, please please file it.
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  Speaker 10: Mm hm oh.
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  Speaker 12: Always Okay, find you no, clear the rope, Clear the house,
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  Speaker 12: gonna need you here, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Clear bed search please.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, oh my stars. We're hearing right there.
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  Speaker 1: Marissa Alter with us, lead investigative reporter News twelve there
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  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Marissa, thank you for being with us. Were
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  Speaker 1: here on the body cam. Holy, I got a dead
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  Speaker 1: body in here? Holy okay, okay, back out, back out,
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  Speaker 1: Clear the room, Clear the room. Look under the bed,
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  Speaker 1: Look under the bed. There is no kid.
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  Speaker 5: No kid.
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  Speaker 1: They're realizing baby Vanessa is gone. We are showing you
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  Speaker 1: photos right now of the home where baby Vanessa disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: No trace of a fourteen month old baby girl, Marissa.
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  Speaker 1: The body they found is baby Vanessa's mother, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy Christine Halloway is found in her bathtub, slumped over, naked,
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  Speaker 4: and she has been bludgeoned. She has been hit by
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  Speaker 4: an object, which investigators later believe is a hammer, at
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  Speaker 4: least eight times dead in the bathtub, and there is
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  Speaker 4: no sign of her fourteen month old daughter Vanessa at
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  Speaker 4: that point.
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  Speaker 1: Marissa, what did police do to find baby Vanessa, Well.
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  Speaker 4: They got the word out to the media, there was
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  Speaker 4: an amber alert put out, and they began searching for her.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things they did tell us was that
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  Speaker 4: they noticed that some of baby Vanessa's items were missing,
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  Speaker 4: such as her polka dot blanket, a Greco car seat,
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  Speaker 4: an Eddie Bauer backpack, diaper, backpack, and a teething ring.
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  Speaker 4: And these were all things that they later said, look,
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  Speaker 4: these are items that someone would need to take to
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  Speaker 4: be able to take care of Vanessa. So that led
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  Speaker 4: them to believe that whoever took this child was taking
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  Speaker 4: her to care for her somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Jody jacob Ellis and Anna Radonski, it's
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  Speaker 1: just too much to take in. When I travel with
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  Speaker 1: the twins is infants, my children, John, David, and Lucy,
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  Speaker 1: I had to carry a slew of items a matter
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  Speaker 1: where we went. The baby seat, the pull ups, the diepies,
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  Speaker 1: the baby rings. Jacob Ellis as you are hearing this,
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  Speaker 1: what is going through your mind? Will take anything?
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  Speaker 2: Just back to that nine second.
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  Speaker 3: Because when they did gain entry in the house, we
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  Speaker 3: heard on the radio while we're in the lobby, we're
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  Speaker 3: dating entry, and then I hear we need you here,
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  Speaker 3: and then the radio went down. So it's just bring
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  Speaker 3: it back, horrible memories.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jody, Jody, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I felt this way every time I put a victim's
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  Speaker 1: family member on the stand, because it's tortuous and it
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  Speaker 1: just it can mess you up for days to come.
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  Speaker 1: Anna Radonski, when you learned that police come in to
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  Speaker 1: find mom dead, baby gone, what went through your mind?
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  Speaker 1: And now you're hearing missing the baby seat, die pees,
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  Speaker 1: the baby ring, other things that would be required to
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  Speaker 1: take care of the baby. Somebody that knew the baby,
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  Speaker 1: that cared about the baby took the baby.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, when, uh, when Stephen and Jody call me, you know,
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  Speaker 10: tell me. I was, like I said, I was in Nashville,
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  Speaker 10: you know, and I packed my suitcase. I just started
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  Speaker 10: fronting around my apartment and packing my suitcase and I
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  Speaker 10: was I remember just packing like outfits for a funeral
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  Speaker 10: and outfits warm clothes to go looking in the woods
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  Speaker 10: to find Vanessa. Like I was like, we're going to
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  Speaker 10: be part of a search team. We're going to find her,
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  Speaker 10: so let me just bring everything and anything, and and
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  Speaker 10: then I got on a plane the next morning to come.
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  Speaker 8: Back to Connecticut.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Jody. Jacob Ellis also joining us along with Anna. Jody.
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  Speaker 1: What happened next.
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  Speaker 3: When the officer once we heard on the radio you know,
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  Speaker 3: we need you here. That's when my soon to be
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  Speaker 3: husband took off with his brother who had just come
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  Speaker 3: in from Long Island because we told him what was
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  Speaker 3: going on, and his best friend. They left and went
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  Speaker 3: to Chrissy's house. I stayed back with my sister in
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  Speaker 3: law and about five minutes later, my sister in law
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  Speaker 3: gets a phone call from the friend and said they're
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  Speaker 3: taping up the house. And she turned to me and
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  Speaker 3: she said it and I just collapsed in the lobby
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  Speaker 3: screaming no, no, no, no, no, no no no. And
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  Speaker 3: with that, I ran out of the police station to
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  Speaker 3: go to the house and they said, no, just stay
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  Speaker 3: u police station. So I went back and that's when
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  Speaker 3: my fiancee, Stephen, his brother Brian, and their friend Hector
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  Speaker 3: came back, and then a detective came out and pulled
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  Speaker 3: the three boys out in the back, and then my
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  Speaker 3: brother in law, Brian, came out and his friend and
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  Speaker 3: said they want to speak with you, and I said me, why,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? And then the two detectives came back
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  Speaker 3: and got me, sat me in a little room with
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  Speaker 3: my fiance. Stephen asked me all these questions and I
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  Speaker 3: told him everything from the moment I got the phone
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  Speaker 3: call from Stephen to up until we got to the
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  Speaker 3: police station. They left the room and my fiance looked
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  Speaker 3: at me and he's like, she's gone. I said stop,
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  Speaker 3: saying that. We were going back and forth arguing. I'm
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  Speaker 3: like stop, and he grabbed my hands, looked me dead
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  Speaker 3: in my eyes and said she's gone. And I was
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  Speaker 3: like no, I didn't want to believe it. They pulled
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  Speaker 3: everybody back in from the lobby and proceeded to tell
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  Speaker 3: us that they found a female deceased.
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  Speaker 2: I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Just running out of the room.
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  Speaker 2: Screaming, and then I got.
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  Speaker 3: Myself together because then I realized, wait, They said, Chrissy,
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  Speaker 3: where's the baby. I went back to the room and
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  Speaker 3: looked back both the detectives and I said where's the baby?
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  Speaker 3: They said, what are you talking about? I said, her
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  Speaker 3: dorm our niece, who's one years old, Vanessa, where is she?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: She should have been there. And the two detectives looked
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: at each other and said.
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: Well, we don't know.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: We weren't on the scene, so we don't know anything.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And I said, well, you need to find her. And
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: after that we left and proceeded to go to my
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: mother in law's house to Bridgeport, Connecticut to tell her
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: that her oldest daughter is gone and her granddaughter is missing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Nobody should ever have to tell a family member that
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: at all. It was the worst night of my life.
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: We are looking for the following items which are listed
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: on this poster board to my far left. Okay, these
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: are items that Christine Holloway used and taking care of Vanessa,
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: and we have been able to locate them. We believe
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: that Fanessa is alive. We have no information to the contrary.
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: At that point, when you see things like that that
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: are missing that would be used to care for a child,
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: that gives us the impetus that she is still out
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: there and she's with someone and we want to bring
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: her home safely. We've had a lot of tips about
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: car seats and different things like that, and we've run
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: all those out and they've never come out to.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: What we had hoped for.
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: The FBI is offering a ten thousand dollars reward to
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: any individual who provides information that directly leads to the
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: recovery of the missing child, Vanessa Rallies date of birth
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: September seventh, twenty eighteen. The reward will be given to
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: anyone in the community that has Vanessa in their possession
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: and returns her unharmed, or has specific information where Vanessa
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: is located that leads to her recovery.
• 23:30
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• 23:38
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• 23:43
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• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It seems to me that unless this is an disconnected,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: unrelated murder of a mom a kidnap of a baby,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: which is highly highly unlikely, this is from someone connected
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to the mom or the baby, someone that knows them, intimately,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: knows their schedules, and has a desire to take that baby. Why.
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so we don't have a body. We don't have
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: the baby's diaper bag, we don't have the blanky that
• 24:26
  Speaker 14: probably the baby's favorite blanky, and the car seat. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 14: we've got the body of the mother, and then we
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: have these items that show that the person who took
• 24:34
  Speaker 14: the baby clearly wants to either care for the baby
• 24:38
  Speaker 14: or keep the baby alive. So that's that's definitely what
• 24:41
  Speaker 14: we see on the just from the evidence that's there
• 24:44
  Speaker 14: at the crime scene.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: To Anna Rodowski is Christine's aunt. Christaine of course is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the mother of baby Vanessa. Did you immediately have a suspicion?
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yes, immediately And what was it? I mean, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: immediately knew.
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: That everything was out of the norm, and we knew
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: that Jose was involved in it, and we were uh
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: grateful that none of the Vanessa's DNA was fond at
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: the scene and that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: That there's hope and we hope that he gave her
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: someone and.
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: We hope that we find her and that she's safe.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It all began unraveling because of phone records.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Can you would you would you show me the phone
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: call ab to Vanessa on Monday running of your phone?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Please?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Mm hm, I love you have her in there is
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: your lover. Yeah, so she called her at six fifty
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: nine pm today, I mean on Monday. If you kind
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of called her, there was no call. There's no story. Ways, though,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I should still show that he dialed it, right. Did
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you erase stuff?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I always did?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Eat all my I'm pretty much delete it. I'll dole
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: all my calls all the time. You didn't deplete these
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: seven though, I don't. I'll deleat it or die.
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: No.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: You do what you want, though, Well, he's lying because
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: there were all these calls on there that he didn't delete.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Plus who has time to go through and delete every
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: phone call they make? Do you see that happening? Mike Gould,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you're the former NYPD whatever they say. So you said
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you called it right, Well, there's not a record. He goes, what, Oh, yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I tried, but it went to voicemail. Well that still
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: would have shown up on a call log. Then he goes, yeah, okay, yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you're right, I deleted everything. You say. He's got a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: fallback for it. He's already tangled up in just the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: phone records. He can't even get the phone call straight.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, there's no doubt the guilty. The jury is
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: folk in Jose is guilty as sin in the murder
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: of his wife. However, there is no blood edit, there
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: is zero evidence that the baby is deceased at this point,
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: which gives me great optimism here. There's several factors that
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: I think about. Number one, it's relatively it's easier to
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: abduct an infant than it is a ten or twelve
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: year old child because they lack mobility, they're relatively easy
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: to care for. So that's a big thing for me.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: The lack of the evidence that wasn't recovered that you
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: need to take care of a child whether so, I
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: am optimistic that this child is alive. The question is
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: by whom so did one of his associates sell the
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: baby for money? Was it a relative, was it a friend?
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: Somebody knows where this child is, Nancy, And frankly, the
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: only way this is going to come to fruition it
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: shows like yours that keep this in the public spotlight.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: So I'm very optimistic here.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Jose, did you tell your parents where you went on Friday? Yeah?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Where'd you tell me?
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: What?
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Listen, yeah, listen, yeah, listen. Well, your dad said you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: went to Christine's Friday with her? Why would he tell
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: me that he said that I went to Yes Friday.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: I was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Why would you you said you told him where you went,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and if you told him you went to heck.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: She got her own cards, right, But why wouldn't he
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: tell me that you went to Christine's if you told
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: him where you went, why would he tell.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You said you told him where you went.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: First of all, he lies about the phone call, which
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: is very easily disproven. Then he's tangled up in what
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he told his own family. He told his dad he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: going to Christine's. She's dead, the baby's missing. And he's say, well,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I never said that. Where did my dad get that idea?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But that's not all idiot.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Listen, you realize that somebody saw you leaving Christine's house today?
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: How was that?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It's not important?
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: Code ose you want to find the kids Saday, well
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: not Tuesday, Monday?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Listen, you want to find your guarter?
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: Okay, okay, fight her now we're going to find him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: You're at the house Monday meeting.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Where's your daughter?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Listen? You know why we want your clothes?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You know it?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Disclose?
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Or is there other clothes that we want? I don't know, Oh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: oh you want this clothes? All right, take it. You're
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: gonna take me home. You're going home. You're going home.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: We are taking your clothes, and then we're gonna get
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: you in the car and then we're driving you back
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: all the way home so hot, and I'm all right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, wait, what's that? We're getting some
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: bags and some stuff. This is crazy.
• 30:42
  Speaker 15: So you understood what I told you right well, that
• 30:44
  Speaker 15: somebody saw you leaving the house today Monday.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, you understand that technical legal term dumb ass? Jody
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Anna did he always act like that? What closed? Oh
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: these clothes which makes me think he committed the murder
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and other clothes? I mean, what is he saying, Jodie?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: You can tell he is a mind of a two
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: year old.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Whenever I would see him, because Christy used to live
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: with me and her brother, and when he would come
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: to the house, he was always drunk, and my step
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: son would be like, didn't he see the wall there?
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, you know, you're probably tripped. I
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: would make up excuses because my step son was six
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: years old at the time, and I didn't want him
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: to think, you know, he's drinking and driving. But you
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: can tell he's not educated. You know, he thinks he
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: knows it all, but he really isn't.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, what can we learn from his family?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: We know where Christine is. Do you know what?
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: Yes?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Oh you got fam Yes? Well do you want to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: hold a baby? Christine's dead. We're looking for the shed
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: a light on our situation that we're working with right now.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: We're not invesciating, so let you know this. It's a homicide.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: We are looking for all the hoping.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yet ANNASKI, who do you believe has baby Vanessa?
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: I have no idea. I mean, I hope that he
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: gave her to someone that just really wanted a baby, and.
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: And she is.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: Wet taken care of.
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: I don't know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: I just I think our family just is, like, you know,
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: so much time has gone on and where we've given
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: every opportunity for him to just tell the truth, just
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: stop the like ongoing pain of to our family and
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: just let us know, you know, but we have nothing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: We have no idea.
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: So I still walk around to beaches and pediatrician offices
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: and libraries, and I'm still passing out pictures of Vanessa
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: because we really believe We're gonna find her someday. We
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: the family would like to ask for everyone in our
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: communities and beyond us to help bring maybe Vanessa home safely.
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: But at this moment, we don't know if it is
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: him work at someone else and he's going by what
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: he's throwing up.
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: We still have Vanessa's first Christmas breath.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: We can't let go of it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: Did I know she'll be too old before she comes
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: back to play with it, but that's the last thing
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: we have of her. Nothing we'll bring them back, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: that hurts the most. Do we have to stand here
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: today and basically be treated like we're nothing? Like she
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: and Vanessa were nothing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: We're just frustrated and the fact that he was able
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to turn around to see his family members, we can't
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: turn around to see ours. We have to go visit
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: their gravesite.
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: That's our anger.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: That from w FSB three, Fox sixty one n NBC
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to Marissa Alter, joining us lead investigative reporter News twelve Connecticut,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: who has been on this case fighting for answers in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of baby Vanessa. Where does the case stand now, Marissa?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Well, right now, police say that the search for Vanessa
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: is ongoing. The hope had been that with the trial,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the murder trial of Jose Morales for Christine Holloway's murder,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: that that might lead to more publicity and then more answers,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: new information that could come out and give the family
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: and police some idea of where she might be. But
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: as of right now, police have not released any new
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: information that might give us an idea of where she is.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: To Mike Gould, former NYPD, Mike, the aid progression photo
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is very typically, very accurate, and a reward of ten
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars is still in place.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Any hope, good Nancy, completely A couple of things that
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: keep me optimistic here. You know, Jose might be the
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: biggest dirt big on earth and have the mentality of
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: a two year old, and as you described him as
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: a dumb.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Ass quite accurately.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: However, there's a big delta between killing your wife and
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: killing your child, so philiside is relatively uncommon compared to
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: the murders of a spouse, so I keep that Again,
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: the lack of blood evidence. There's no evidence to suggest
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: that this little girl has been deceased, So this keeps
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: me optimistic. As the girl matures, the likelihood of her
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: recovery is better. We've had cases JC Dugard, Elizabeth Smart,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: so these things aren't out of the realm of possibility.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Rachel tolds joining us for is psychologist way in.
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: Rachel, Yeah, I mean I also have hope that she's
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: still alive. Ideally, what we do know is that I
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: think Christina's cell phone pinged because he had a very
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: short period of time between when he was brought up
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: for questioning and then detained, and so he had a
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: very short period of time to do something with Vanessa.
• 37:06
  Speaker 14: If he actually did something with Vanessa, and we know
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: that her cell phone, the mother's cell phone pinged around
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: where his family was, which suggests he did potentially pass
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: her off to a family member, at least that's what
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: some of the records show.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And that's the hope.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Due Jody Jacob Allas, what is your message tonight?
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Just look at Vanessa's photo. If you see a child
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that resembles her, please give us a call. I'm constantly
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: checking my phone in the middle of the night just
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: in case I get a phone call from the FBI
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: or the Antonia PD. Just her eyes never change. The
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: age progression picture that there is now is a combination
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: of her mother, Chrissy and her father.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: disappearance of baby Vanessa, please call two zero three seven
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: three five one eight eight five or the FBI now involved.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two five five three two four eight
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four. We remember
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: an American hero Trooper, Kevin Trainer, Massachusetts State Police, just thirty,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: killed in a line of duty after three years on
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the force, leaving behind a devastated fiance, Jessica. American hero
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Trooper Kevin Trainer. Thank you to our guests joining us tonight,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: especially the relatives of the victims, but especially to you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: from being with us. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night,