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Hidden Symbolism in The Shining Explained · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to my Family Think Some
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Speaker 1: Crazy podcast. And with me today is a returning guest,
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, someone who I think the audience
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Speaker 1: should already be aware of. He's doing some amazing work
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Speaker 1: and he's coming back to the show to talk about
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Speaker 1: a brand new project, a new film that is out
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Speaker 1: now is titled A Clockwork Shining. Rider Lee is back
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Speaker 1: on the show. Rider. It's a pleasure to have you
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Speaker 1: here again. I'm really stoked to see. You've been working
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Speaker 1: with Jay Weidner, legend in the conspiracy theory field, so.
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Speaker 2: You have.
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Speaker 1: A lot of cool stuff going on, and this is
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Speaker 1: your latest project. So before we get into the exact
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Speaker 1: details of the film, what precipitated A Clockwork Shining? Like,
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Speaker 1: where were you when you thought, Okay, this is what
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Speaker 1: I need to work on next, Because I've kind of
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Speaker 1: I think I've been interviewing you at each step of
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Speaker 1: the way. I remember we talked about UFOs. At one point,
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Speaker 1: we talked about mk Ultra. I can't remember the last
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Speaker 1: thing we talked about. Excuse me, but now we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Kubrick and some other maybe stranger things. And no
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Speaker 1: pun intended that Kubrick was trying to show us through
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Speaker 1: several of his movies and two in particular, that folks
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Speaker 1: can probably guess which ones they are based on the
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Speaker 1: tip I love your film, but or your documentary. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: what precipitated the Clockwork Shining? Because I think this is
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Speaker 1: a really interesting trajectory you've been on.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Mark, first off for having me
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Speaker 3: on again. I really appreciate it. And you have been
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Speaker 3: there every step of the way through my entire evolution
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Speaker 3: of new things. You've had me on, So I really
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Speaker 3: appreciate that, my friend. It's an honor and a privilege
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Speaker 3: to be back on your show again. So and I
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Speaker 3: think you had me on for jfk X.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's what it was. Yes, that was the last
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Speaker 1: time you're on, I believe, unless there's something in between
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Speaker 1: then and now. JFKX is the one I was misremembering.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was the first documentary that me and
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Speaker 3: Jay Warden put together. And originally how the soul really
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Speaker 3: came up about was this was the first movie that
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Speaker 3: I actually wanted to do. I wanted to do this
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Speaker 3: movie A Clockwork Shining first, but we decided to go
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Speaker 3: with AFKX first, and because this one was going to
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Speaker 3: require a lot more production value and quality in it,
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Speaker 3: so we did jfk X first. And you can also
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Speaker 3: find that on Amazon Prime. It's on free v on
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Speaker 3: Amazon Prime. Actually, if you just type in the Clockwork
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Speaker 3: Shining and click a Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime, it'll
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Speaker 3: be the next video in under related videos. So I
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Speaker 3: wanted to do this film originally, and I'd had Jay
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Speaker 3: Widener on because he had done two documentaries before. Well
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Speaker 3: he's done several films before a lot of other films.
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Speaker 3: He's a you know, a he's a film production like
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Speaker 3: that's what he'd done for his whole career. And I'd
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Speaker 3: watched his two movies, A Cubric's Odyssey one and A
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Speaker 3: kubricks Odyssey two to bring him on my show to
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Speaker 3: you know, have a good in depth conversation with him,
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Speaker 3: because I like, you know, watching people's movies or reading
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Speaker 3: their books or whatever it is before I bring them
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Speaker 3: on so that I can ask really good questions. And
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Speaker 3: I had him. I had him on. So I watched
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Speaker 3: The Shining several times over and over again, and as
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Speaker 3: I'm watching it, because Kubrick is such a genius, with
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Speaker 3: this filmmaking. Everyone knows that everyone knows who Stanley kuber Case,
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Speaker 3: everyone knows what The Shining is is one of the
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Speaker 3: greatest horror films that's of all time, you know. And
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Speaker 3: as I was watching it, I was like, what more
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Speaker 3: can I really find in this movie that hasn't been
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Speaker 3: seen before? Because this movie has been deconstructed in like
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Speaker 3: such a way that it's there's so many different theories
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Speaker 3: about The Shining and about Stanley Kubrick just in general,
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Speaker 3: sort of exactly like the jfk assassination, which was the
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Speaker 3: one that we tackled previously. So this was a really
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Speaker 3: big task. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching it,
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Speaker 3: and then I watched some videos on some other people's
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Speaker 3: analysis of it, and I, you know, watched our Room
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Speaker 3: two thirty seven as well. Was j wier is also
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Speaker 3: in Room two thirty seven, which we also reference in
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Speaker 3: this new film, a clockwork chiny and I'd seen in
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Speaker 3: the background because whenever Dan you sees the Twins for
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Speaker 3: the very first time, there's a poster on the wall
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Speaker 3: on the back left hand side. This has monarch at
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Speaker 3: the bottom of the poster. And I wasn't the first
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Speaker 3: person to see that, I admit not the first person
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Speaker 3: to see it, but nobody got what that poster actually
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Speaker 3: meant correctly. And when I brought Jay on my show,
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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, like, I know people have seen
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Speaker 3: this several times before. There's a poster in the background
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Speaker 3: that has Monarch at the very bottom of it looks
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Speaker 3: like like a person on skis, and some people call
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Speaker 3: it a minotaur and they kind of relate the It's
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Speaker 3: one of two things with people that see that poster
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Speaker 3: and try and interpret its meaning. One of those is
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Speaker 3: that it's a minotaur. Another one is that it's a
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Speaker 3: cubric like the Cubrick Stare, you know, like in a
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Speaker 3: lot of his movies, like Full Metal Jacket, a Clockwork
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Speaker 3: Orange and the Shining, that Cubic stare that famous thing
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Speaker 3: like like that, you know what I mean, like the
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Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson does during the Shining and Alex's character does
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Speaker 3: during a Clockwork Orange. And also that it could be
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Speaker 3: referring to Monarch Mountain in Colorado as well. But I'd
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Speaker 3: never heard of anybody relate the poster to Monarch MK
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Speaker 3: Ultra Mind Control. So I'm explaining this all to Jay
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Speaker 3: around two years ago now, on our show, and I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 3: there's a poster back there says Monarch. It's you know,
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Speaker 3: no one has ever come up with the ever talked
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Speaker 3: about the theory that about monarch mind control. They bring
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Speaker 3: other things into it, like I just mentioned, but they've
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Speaker 3: never mentioned. And then I started dissecting the movie and
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Speaker 3: all the things throughout the movie, and I was like, Jay,
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Speaker 3: we need to make a documentary about this. I think
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Speaker 3: that I'm the first person to really understand exactly what's
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Speaker 3: going on within this movie. And he was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we should. We definitely should. And then we ended up
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Speaker 3: with JFKX as our first film, which I'm very happy
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Speaker 3: that we did it that way because I got to
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Speaker 3: cut my teeth on a documentary. And then I did
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Speaker 3: this one, which this one is almost two hours long.
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Speaker 3: It's a a cl accident around an hour and fifty minutes.
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Speaker 3: So that's basically the origin, right.
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Speaker 1: And to be clear, the film that you're talking about
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Speaker 1: is The Shining because the Clockwork Orange film, there's really
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Speaker 1: it's not like subtle in any way that mind control
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Speaker 1: is going on, like that's a key plot in the film,
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Speaker 1: but connecting the symbolism from there to the Shining, I
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Speaker 1: think is a big step. And yeah, I mean potentially
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Speaker 1: you're the first person to see that, you're definitely the
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Speaker 1: first person to make a film about it. But that's
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Speaker 1: the thing with Kubrick that I wonder, is is it
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Speaker 1: that he saw this and has left these clues behind
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Speaker 1: for people. I mean, it seems to be that way,
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Speaker 1: because you know, it couldn't be that he was just
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Speaker 1: some like lucky fool who just happened to, you know,
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Speaker 1: spell all this out by accident. But then I also wonder, like,
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Speaker 1: could it be that he was using symbols that are
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Speaker 1: so general that you can apply multiple layers of meaning
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Speaker 1: to them. That almost feels like, you know, I'm just
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Speaker 1: trying to debunk it at that point, which I'm not,
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Speaker 1: because the Shining, I think Room two thirty seven, they
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Speaker 1: go into the theory that they're somehow suggestions about the
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Speaker 1: moon landing with the Shining, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that's Jay Widener's original proposal with his first two
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Speaker 3: films on the topic. He proposes that the Shining is
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Speaker 3: Kubrick's confession to faking the moon landing, which he provides
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Speaker 3: well invcating the evidence of that and what I've been
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Speaker 3: telling people, which I think is very plausible because two
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Speaker 3: thousand and one A Space Odyssey was being shot during
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Speaker 3: the time of the moon landing, during the time that
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Speaker 3: we went to the moon, right, and it's highly possible
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Speaker 3: that Stanley Kubrick would have been like, Hey, let's shoot
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Speaker 3: some scenes, you know, and the actors wouldn't know that
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Speaker 3: this was going to the footage was going to be
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Speaker 3: used for something else. And that really gets down to
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Speaker 3: because a lot of people are like, well, how could
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Speaker 3: they have faked the moon landing without a lot of
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Speaker 3: people knowing about it. Well, that's how they would have
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Speaker 3: done it. They would have done it a part of
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Speaker 3: a movie shoot, and two thousand and one of Space
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Speaker 3: Odyssey was using special effects that had never been seen before.
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Speaker 3: It's one of the first times in film history that
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Speaker 3: front screen projection was ever used. And it's possible that
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Speaker 3: Kubrick was like, Hey, let's do we'll shoot some extra
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Speaker 3: scenes for two thousand and one A Space Odyssey. All
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Speaker 3: the actors, all the production, all the people will think
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Speaker 3: that it's for two thousand and one A Space Odyssey,
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Speaker 3: but we won't put it in the film, and then
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Speaker 3: that'll be the moon landing footage, not saying that that's fact, right.
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Speaker 3: I just think that it's really interesting and it's definitely plausible.
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Speaker 3: But as far as the mind control stuff, Kubrick had
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Speaker 3: to have been aware of the CIA's MK Ultra programs,
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Speaker 3: just based upon the fact that he made a clockwork orange, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the entire film is basically about mind control
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Speaker 3: and drugging Alex the main character, and having him watch
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Speaker 3: these movies to influence his behavior.
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Speaker 1: Well, so in a way, if The Shining has both
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Speaker 1: layers in it, I don't see how that's necessarily impossible. Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, Kubrick could have been talking about the moon
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Speaker 1: landing and m Kaltre, which is why I find this
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Speaker 1: premise really fascinating. I'm glad to get into it with you,
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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to say off the bat for
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Speaker 1: people who might be like, oh, they've done this already,
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Speaker 1: go watch Room two thirty seven. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: Jay Widner is a part of this film, so cut
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Speaker 1: it out. And second of all, Kubrick, I mean again,
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Speaker 1: I'm just applying my own mind to him. And we've
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Speaker 1: talked about him a ton on this show, not just
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Speaker 1: with with like this particular topic, but from other angles,
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Speaker 1: like we had a guy on who hates Kubrick. We
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Speaker 1: had a guy on who talked about Kubrick and his
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Speaker 1: you know, espionage kind of maybe connections, right so, or
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Speaker 1: at least like propaganda and that sort of thing. But
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Speaker 1: I just I find it kind of interesting because we
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Speaker 1: often think about mk ultra like Manchurian candidates. But in
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Speaker 1: a way, the moon landing was like a mass mcaultra
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Speaker 1: event because you have so many people who are being
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Speaker 1: hypnotized into thinking this is a real event taking place
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Speaker 1: when actually it's fabricated to some degree. Whether that means that,
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Speaker 1: you know, the rockets only went so far, or either
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Speaker 1: the rockets didn't even fly at all, or whatever. Right,
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Speaker 1: I don't know the details. That's not what we're here
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Speaker 1: to argue about. But I think most people can agree
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Speaker 1: at this point the moon landing has some issues with
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Speaker 1: its legitimacy. It's a little bit less than plausible at
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Speaker 1: this point. And I think Kubrick, being that he was
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Speaker 1: so close to the military and these groups who provided
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Speaker 1: some sort of camera equipment to him at some point,
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Speaker 1: like that's the big thing that the debunkers go for,
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Speaker 1: as they say, oh, well he only got these lenses
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Speaker 1: from the NASA people afterwards, but we don't need to
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Speaker 1: get into that. I think what's most important about Kubrick
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Speaker 1: is like what propelled him to expose this stuff, because
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Speaker 1: he seemed kind of like a film genius, Like he
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Speaker 1: suffered and he bled for the films that he loved, right,
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Speaker 1: like he really in everybody around him had to work
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Speaker 1: at that same pace of suffering too, because like he
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Speaker 1: was a hard director to work for, is what most
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Speaker 1: people have said. But yeah, I guess wrapping your head
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Speaker 1: around like such a genius, like what do you make
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Speaker 1: of Stanley Kubrick? Do you think that it really is
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Speaker 1: like this sort of sneaky way of subtly putting these
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Speaker 1: truths out into the culture.
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Speaker 3: I think so too, And I think it's a testament
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Speaker 3: to the fact that this is just now coming out
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Speaker 3: and nobody has talked about this before, and what brings
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Speaker 3: a whole other layer to it. And I think Qubriic
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Speaker 3: was trying to subliminally put things in his film like
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Speaker 3: little hints and little clues here and there as to
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Speaker 3: what's going on. And you're right, the fact that this
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Speaker 3: is something new in this documentary doesn't also discount the
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Speaker 3: moon landing theory. If anything, I think it goes hand
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Speaker 3: in hand because what we propose within the movie is
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Speaker 3: that it's not only an experiment within Stanley Kubrick making
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Speaker 3: this movie, because Stanley Kubrick is rewriting the entire movie
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Speaker 3: as the movie is being filmed, no one does that.
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Speaker 3: It's an experiment within the movie. It's also an experiment
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Speaker 3: on the actors that are in the movie and the
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Speaker 3: way that he treated Charlie Duvall and bas liberated her,
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Speaker 3: yelled at her and told the casts and the crew
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Speaker 3: not to empathize with her, not to you know, check
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Speaker 3: up on her, not to you know, tend to her
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Speaker 3: what she wants or what she needs. But it's also
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Speaker 3: an experiment within it on the audience as well, So
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Speaker 3: it's like a triple threat and that goes hand in
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Speaker 3: hand with the moon landing footage as well. Actually, I
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Speaker 3: have a trailer here which will really describes exactly what
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Speaker 3: the film is about. If you would like to see it.
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Speaker 3: Is that Okay, yeah, yeah, go for it.
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Speaker 4: Loucinogenic drugs, hypnosis, electric shocks to the brain some of
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Speaker 4: the methods used in secret CIA mind control experiments.
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Speaker 3: There are many theories as to what the shining is
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Speaker 3: really about, from the faking of the moon landing to
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Speaker 3: Native American genocide and the Holocaust.
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Speaker 2: Now, if he did fake the Apollogon landing, he probably
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Speaker 2: has really deep connections into the intelligence world. Why are
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Speaker 2: there these gigantic continuity ats in this movie?
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Speaker 5: The occulted meeting has to be comprehensible. It's just hidden,
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Speaker 5: usually in a very systematic way, so that it could
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Speaker 5: be understood by someone coming along later on. Who knows
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Speaker 5: what the real meaning is supposed to be.
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Speaker 3: We believe that there's something even more sinister lurking beneath
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Speaker 3: the surface of this masterful film.
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Speaker 2: So Lookout Mountain Hotel look a lot like the Overlook Hotel.
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Speaker 6: You realize there's no such thing as a coincidences like that.
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Speaker 3: As Lookout Mountain studios ran by the Air Force and
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Speaker 3: told the story of nuclear weapons testing by the United
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Speaker 3: States of.
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Speaker 4: The Army Navan Air Force. The Air Force was known
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Speaker 4: to be the most excited, the most turned on by
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Speaker 4: mk ultran its prospects.
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Speaker 6: Reportedly that we more films might Lookout Mounting at all
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Speaker 6: the other film studios in Hollywood.
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Speaker 2: We really don't know what these famous film directors were
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Speaker 2: being recruited for what project or whatever was it? The
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Speaker 2: Moon Landing.
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Speaker 3: The CIA's MK Ultra programs were admitted to the public
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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy, five, years before the release of The Shining.
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Speaker 7: These experiments were done without the informed consent of the patients.
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Speaker 4: Look at some UFO cases and the things that are
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Speaker 4: reporting tells me that.
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Speaker 1: MK Ultra is likely being applied.
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Speaker 7: My MK ultra mind control experience, I was taken to
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Speaker 7: various military, NASA, and DARPA installations for sophisticated mind control programming.
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Speaker 6: Woke Disney, Marilyn Monroe, James Stewart, Carrie Groan, Ronald Reagan.
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Speaker 6: Nobody really knows what they were doing up.
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Speaker 4: There, as well as high ranking military and Department of
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Speaker 4: Defense personnel.
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Speaker 2: But people don't realize is that many of the people
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Speaker 2: that worked with Kubrick also worked with Kennedy. This is
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Speaker 2: actually the smoking gun proving that Kubrick was working with
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Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 6: These were all CIA sponsored experiments.
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Speaker 3: I said, I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 3: bash your brains.
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Speaker 6: I'm putting little symbolic cryptic clues and Easter eggs pertaining
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Speaker 6: to the fact that they're still doing it.
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Speaker 3: These clues include a hidden swastika in the background of
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Speaker 3: his old room.
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Speaker 7: What was the set up? What it was being told?
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Speaker 7: And realized that it was a lie all along?
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Speaker 6: But right there in the narrative in the dialogue, they're
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Speaker 6: telling you that this was a very real program coming
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Speaker 6: out of those nice folks in the CIO.
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Speaker 3: Here's Johnny.
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Speaker 1: Great.
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Speaker 3: So that was the trailer for Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime,
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Speaker 3: and that gives you a really good rundown of exactly
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Speaker 3: what the movie is about. And that's the reason that
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Speaker 3: I put it together that way, and it touches on
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Speaker 3: a lot of different topics. This just isn't a movie
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Speaker 3: about Stanley Kubrick in the Shining or A Clockwork Orange.
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Speaker 3: This is a movie about the music industry, the film industry, MK, ultra,
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Speaker 3: military and government programs.
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Speaker 1: Right now, what about Qubrick's background would lead us or
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Speaker 1: would like show where he learned a lot of this stuff?
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 1: Because A Clockwork Orange when that was released, it was
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Speaker 1: based on a book. And I believe the author of
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Speaker 1: that book's name is Anthony Burgess or something like that.
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Speaker 1: And this gentleman was writing the book because he had
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Speaker 1: some sort of political gain. I think he was an
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Speaker 1: English author and they were trying to expose the American
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Speaker 1: programs because there was maybe some sort of adversarial relationship
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Speaker 1: between MI sixter and the CIA for whatever reason. That
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Speaker 1: sounds about right. That's the best of my knowledge. So
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Speaker 1: Kubrick must have been reading this kind of stuff. But
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Speaker 1: were there any like I don't know, places that he
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Speaker 1: was enrolled in school, et cetera, military, etc. That where
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Speaker 1: he would have gotten any insider information about any of
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Speaker 1: this stuff.
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Speaker 3: Well, I really don't know if you actually need to
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Speaker 3: have insider information to know about it. Like I know
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Speaker 3: a lot about the MK Ultra programs and no insider
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Speaker 3: has ever told me anything about it. But as far
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Speaker 3: as a military background that we do provide some information
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Speaker 3: in there that Kubrick was being sought after for an
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Speaker 3: unknown project, him and four other film directors, and he
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Speaker 3: was looked at as the most promising of these other
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Speaker 3: fore film directors. So there is evidence that Qubrick had
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Speaker 3: involvement with the military, in with the government. And we
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Speaker 3: also know during the filming of two thousand and one
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Speaker 3: A Space Odyssey, there were in the in the credit
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Speaker 3: it's the original credits for that movie. Quebreak credits all
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Speaker 3: of the big military agency. He credits the Air Force,
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Speaker 3: air Force Intelligence, basically all of the major intelligence communities
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Speaker 3: for contributing to the making of that film, and later
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Speaker 3: on they were removed. So it stands to good reason
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Speaker 3: that he did indeed have some connections to the military
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Speaker 3: and with Doctor Strangelove as well. We have a clip
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Speaker 3: of Cubrick's production designer talking about Doctor Strangelove and how
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Speaker 3: Cubreic and his production designer basically recreated the inside of
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Speaker 3: a B fifty two and the military was really frightened
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Speaker 3: by that because they thought that someone had leaked Cubic
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Speaker 3: the information on the B fifty two and what the
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Speaker 3: inside of the cockpit actually looks like. And they actually
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Speaker 3: visited Cubriic on the set of that movie, and we
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Speaker 3: have Cubric's production designer talking about that and how Kubrick
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Speaker 3: told him, you need to get together where you got
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Speaker 3: all this information to build the inside of this B
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Speaker 3: fifty two, or we're going to be investigated by the FBI.
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Speaker 1: And did the production designer have a legitimate reason for
23:24
Speaker 1: knowing that? Was it just kis Mitt and he had
23:26
Speaker 1: happened to just have like some sort of remote viewing
23:29
Speaker 1: ability to just guess it.
23:32
Speaker 3: He could have, I think everybody's psychic. But the explanation
23:37
Speaker 3: was is that he it took the cutouts from a
23:41
Speaker 3: bunch of different magazines and they then he would look
23:44
Speaker 3: at models of it, like tiny miniature models, and then
23:48
Speaker 3: he put kind of piece together what he thought that
23:51
Speaker 3: the inside of the B fifty two would look like,
23:54
Speaker 3: and he got it spot on basically. So much of
23:59
Speaker 3: that a scale the military to the point they were like, well,
24:03
Speaker 3: we might need to investigate Stanley Kubrick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might need to set our propaganda cameras up
24:10
Speaker 1: a little farther away from the planes. Because that's the
24:14
Speaker 1: other thing about the film industry is like it's completely
24:18
Speaker 1: military from the beginning, because the whole idea was they
24:21
Speaker 1: wanted to show the public who the boss was and
24:25
Speaker 1: get everybody enrolled in the draft and make everyone excited
24:29
Speaker 1: about fighting whatever war was on the horizon. Right, it's
24:33
Speaker 1: a total propaganda piece from the get go. We now
24:37
Speaker 1: we think of it for like what do you call it?
24:39
Speaker 1: The vaudeville type stars and whatnot that made their way
24:44
Speaker 1: into Hollywood, but a lot of those people were gangsters
24:47
Speaker 1: and criminals and underground types to begin with, right, So
24:51
Speaker 1: it's like unsurprising that you'd have these themes within the
24:57
Speaker 1: film industry and then also this close connection to UH
25:01
Speaker 1: to directors like Kubrick, but he just seems kind of
25:05
Speaker 1: even with his prowess as a director, he seems kind
25:09
Speaker 1: of like a like an outsider. And I mean it's
25:13
Speaker 1: hard to hard to even call him an outsider when
25:17
Speaker 1: Hollywood regards him as like the best director of all time,
25:21
Speaker 1: Like his films have more awards than I think any
25:25
Speaker 1: other director or something like that, Like he's been given
25:28
Speaker 1: a ton of awards praise.
25:30
Speaker 3: But not until after his death. I think he only
25:33
Speaker 3: won one Academy Award and it was not for directing.
25:37
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, he's that issue.
25:41
Speaker 3: I really like about Cubrick is not even it's not
25:44
Speaker 3: even so much the way that his films are shot,
25:46
Speaker 3: which his films are shot are really beautifully, but Kubrick
25:50
Speaker 3: does things in a way to not give away the
25:54
Speaker 3: entire movie before the movie ends. And that's a really
25:56
Speaker 3: big problem with movies nowadays, is they give every a
26:00
Speaker 3: way within the exposition of the movie, within the dialogue
26:04
Speaker 3: of the characters, they tell you about the entire movie,
26:07
Speaker 3: so there's literally no mystery to the movie, which is
26:10
Speaker 3: a really interesting thing that happens within the Shining because
26:14
Speaker 3: the first ten minutes of The Shining between Almend, which
26:17
Speaker 3: Almend looks a lot like JFK and a lot of
26:19
Speaker 3: people have pointed that out before, between Almond and Jack
26:23
Speaker 3: and Bill, there's Almend pretty much tells Jack exactly what's
26:31
Speaker 3: going to happen in the rest of the movie. He's like, Jack,
26:35
Speaker 3: this isn't this isn't a physical This isn't a physically
26:38
Speaker 3: demanding job, Jack, this is a This is more of
26:41
Speaker 3: a psychological job. Because you're isolated up here with nobody
26:47
Speaker 3: around you. It snows really heavily during the winter. You
26:50
Speaker 3: can if you try and get out, you gotta take
26:52
Speaker 3: the sidewinder down the mountain. You know. He's telling him
26:56
Speaker 3: that it's a psychological job, it's not a physical job
27:01
Speaker 3: that he's getting in for. And then he proceeds to
27:04
Speaker 3: tell him about Grady, which suffered a mental breakdown and
27:11
Speaker 3: killed his two little girls and his wife. So he
27:16
Speaker 3: pretty much lays out the entire movie in that first
27:21
Speaker 3: ten minutes of the movie, but he doesn't come out
27:24
Speaker 3: and like, you know, just straight up say it, like
27:26
Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen. He's just like, you know, Jack,
27:31
Speaker 3: this isn't really a you know, a physically demanding job.
27:34
Speaker 3: This is a psychological job. It's a mental job. It's
27:37
Speaker 3: a mental game up here, and you have to be
27:40
Speaker 3: mentally strong to make it through, to make it through
27:44
Speaker 3: the winner up here. So that's a really interesting concept
27:49
Speaker 3: that I don't think a lot of people have really
27:51
Speaker 3: paid attention to because they think that that part of
27:53
Speaker 3: the movie is the most boring part of the movie,
27:55
Speaker 3: which the first time that I watched it, I have
27:57
Speaker 3: thought that it was too because it's just ten minutes
28:00
Speaker 3: of Ohman talking to Jack about you know, the overlook,
28:05
Speaker 3: and then it cuts back between Wendy and Danny a
28:08
Speaker 3: few times, but nothing really happens, and really nothing happens
28:12
Speaker 3: in the entire movie until up to the end of
28:15
Speaker 3: the movie things actually start really happening. And that's what
28:19
Speaker 3: makes me question, well, is this really a horror film?
28:22
Speaker 3: Because there's some dramatic imagery. But I think that if
28:27
Speaker 3: this film was released today, I don't think that it
28:29
Speaker 3: would be a be classified as a horror film. It
28:33
Speaker 3: would be more like a psychological thriller, is what that
28:36
Speaker 3: it would be categorized as. And another thing that's really
28:40
Speaker 3: interesting too that we bring up in the movie is
28:45
Speaker 3: you know how Jack is, you know, supposedly writing the book.
28:49
Speaker 3: It's the most famous scene in the movie whenever Wendy
28:51
Speaker 3: comes in and sees that Jack hasn't been writing a book.
28:54
Speaker 3: He's just been writing the same sentence over and over again.
28:57
Speaker 3: All work and no play. Makes Jack a dull boy. Well,
29:02
Speaker 3: another version of that was Sir Hans Sirhan, which assassinated RFK,
29:09
Speaker 3: won't supposedly assassinated RFK, right that same version of what
29:16
Speaker 3: was going on there, Sir Hans Sirhan was also doing.
29:19
Speaker 3: If you look at Sir Hans Sirhan's notebook, it says
29:22
Speaker 3: RFK must die, RFK must die, RFK must die, over
29:25
Speaker 3: and over and over again. There's like a whole entire
29:27
Speaker 3: page of nothing but Sir Hansuran saying RFK must die.
29:32
Speaker 3: And that's a typical MK ultra technique that's called psychic driving,
29:37
Speaker 3: where they program you with a word and program you
29:41
Speaker 3: with a phrase, and then it's just a coincidence. Whenever
29:44
Speaker 3: Wendy comes in and finds Jack is just writing the
29:47
Speaker 3: same thing. She's went through all the notebook papers and
29:50
Speaker 3: seeing that it's the same thing written out over and
29:53
Speaker 3: over and over again, and then Jack becomes triggered. Jack
29:57
Speaker 3: becomes triggered to do violence against his family, to try
30:02
Speaker 3: and kill Wendy and Danny. Then, also in the beginning
30:06
Speaker 3: of the film that very few people have ever pointed out.
30:10
Speaker 3: I had never heard this before until Jay had brought
30:13
Speaker 3: it up and we talked about it within the movie,
30:16
Speaker 3: is that the first time we meet Wendy and Danny
30:20
Speaker 3: in the movie, Wendy is reading a book by J. D.
30:23
Speaker 3: Salinger called Ketcher in the Rye. You just seen that
30:26
Speaker 3: in the trailer. And Ketcher in the Rye has been
30:29
Speaker 3: identified as a MK Ultramanchurian style candidate trigger. It's been
30:33
Speaker 3: involved in two major assassinations less than a year after
30:38
Speaker 3: the release of The Shining, which was John Lennon and
30:42
Speaker 3: the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. They were both found
30:44
Speaker 3: on the scene, and so putting those together were like,
30:50
Speaker 3: holy shit, Like, very few people has pointed out the
30:56
Speaker 3: fact that Catcher in the Rye is even in the movie,
31:00
Speaker 3: And how did Qubrick know that. How did Cubrick you know,
31:03
Speaker 3: basically predict that a year before these two major assassinations
31:09
Speaker 3: where both the assailants were on the scene reading Catcher
31:12
Speaker 3: and the Rye Mark David Chapman, which you saw shot
31:16
Speaker 3: John Lennon. He uh, It's been said that he stood
31:23
Speaker 3: up in court and was like, do you want to
31:25
Speaker 3: If you want to know my defense, all you got
31:26
Speaker 3: to do is read Catcher in the Rye. We also
31:29
Speaker 3: have the Sixth Sense by Will Smith. We have a
31:31
Speaker 3: clip from The Sixth Sense in a Clockwork Shining where
31:34
Speaker 3: Will Smith is basically breaking all this down of like
31:38
Speaker 3: Catcher in the Rye. And then we have Joe Ottwell
31:39
Speaker 3: talking about it. We have Walter Boseley talking about it,
31:41
Speaker 3: and we also have Mark Devlin talking about the meaning
31:45
Speaker 3: behind Catcher in the Rye. And it's just a coincidence
31:48
Speaker 3: that Wendy is reading this book which Jack is a
31:50
Speaker 3: writer within the movie, so it's probably his book. And
31:54
Speaker 3: then it's used for MK Ultra mind control assassins. And
31:58
Speaker 3: then what is Jack doing throughout the movie?
32:00
Speaker 1: Right?
32:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is trying to kill his family.
32:03
Speaker 1: This is uh strange memory. I have two of reading
32:09
Speaker 1: that book. I remember being a bad like I was
32:13
Speaker 1: always a good.
33:08
Speaker 3: Nice and Venus is known as the morning Star, which
33:10
Speaker 3: is also Lucifer.
33:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, wow, I forget where that came up recently
33:17
Speaker 1: we're talking about Lucifer and Venus and all that. But wow,
33:23
Speaker 1: So it's on Amazon Prime. Is there anything else that?
33:28
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been almost going for two hours here.
33:30
Speaker 1: That's as long as the film is, so folks, I
33:34
Speaker 1: encourage you to go and watch it right now, But
33:36
Speaker 1: there is there anything else you'd want people to know
33:39
Speaker 1: before they tune in, or anything else you'd think they
33:42
Speaker 1: should know to compel them to watch the film.
33:48
Speaker 3: Well, if they don't want to watch it by listening
33:50
Speaker 3: to this whole thing, then that's crazy.
33:52
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure they all want to, but yeah, no anything.
33:55
Speaker 3: Please please support, Please support my movie. This is an
33:59
Speaker 3: independent movie. Hollywood is dead. We really have to try
34:04
Speaker 3: and switch this around and support independent filmmakers so they
34:06
Speaker 3: can continue to make really great films in the future.
34:10
Speaker 3: And with each one is just getting better and better.
34:13
Speaker 3: On my end, I'm learning new things and I want
34:15
Speaker 3: to keep this going in the future. So please please
34:18
Speaker 3: support this movie and hopefully we can get a link
34:21
Speaker 3: in the description of this video. I'll be posting it
34:24
Speaker 3: on my end as well, and a link in the
34:28
Speaker 3: description of the podcast whether you're listening to a podcast
34:31
Speaker 3: version or video version on wherever you're listening to. Please
34:36
Speaker 3: support the film and please buy it. I know that
34:41
Speaker 3: it's you know, really it seems easy just to rent
34:46
Speaker 3: it for like two ninety nine. It's only two ninety
34:48
Speaker 3: nine to rent it, but to buy it is just
34:51
Speaker 3: a few dollars. More So, please help and support by
34:55
Speaker 3: just buying it, because those few dollars really do help
34:59
Speaker 3: out and only a filmmakers and I. And again, it's
35:03
Speaker 3: not just even if you don't like Stanley Kubrick, even
35:06
Speaker 3: if you don't like The Shine, even if you've never
35:08
Speaker 3: even seen The Shining, it doesn't really matter. You're going
35:12
Speaker 3: to find something within this movie that you are going
35:15
Speaker 3: to like it. And it's not just about those topics.
35:17
Speaker 3: It's about everything that we talked about here and more.
35:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's so much more.
35:23
Speaker 3: There's so many different things that we dive into in
35:25
Speaker 3: this movie. That is from the response that I've gone
35:29
Speaker 3: and the people that has left for reviews so far
35:30
Speaker 3: on Amazon, they're mind blown. So please, if you get
35:34
Speaker 3: the chance, I highly recommend.
35:39
Speaker 1: Well and it's dangerous information, So definitely buy it because
35:42
Speaker 1: if you rent it, who knows if it'll be there
35:45
Speaker 1: when you come back to watch it again, you know,
35:47
Speaker 1: a couple of months or years down the line, you
35:50
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we gotta we gotta get
35:52
Speaker 1: away from this streaming model. I'm somebody who likes to
35:56
Speaker 1: have things downloaded because I've seen plenty of things that
36:00
Speaker 1: I used to go to on the internet disappear forever.
36:03
Speaker 1: And yeah, so all the more reason to buy it.
36:07
Speaker 1: Support independent artists like yourself, independent creators. You also have
36:11
Speaker 1: a podcast Raised by Giants where people can they could
36:15
Speaker 1: find that anywhere they listen to this show. But on
36:18
Speaker 1: that note of supporting filmmakers, you mentioned maybe Michael Jackson
36:24
Speaker 1: might be on the docket for a future inquiry and
36:28
Speaker 1: future documentary? Is it documentaries only that you're interested in creating?
36:34
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine after taking a lot of time
36:37
Speaker 1: to study someone like Kubrick, you might get a little
36:40
Speaker 1: inspired to make a film of your own. Have you
36:42
Speaker 1: ever thought of doing anything in that realm, like a
36:45
Speaker 1: departure from documentaries and creating something like a movie or
36:51
Speaker 1: who knows what I mean? What are your thoughts.
36:54
Speaker 3: I would love to do that. Actually have a lot
36:56
Speaker 3: of really good ideas to do that. If anybody is
37:01
Speaker 3: listening to this and they watched the movie and they
37:03
Speaker 3: have the means and the once to go on that
37:08
Speaker 3: venture with me, then you know, please please contact me,
37:12
Speaker 3: because I really do want to do that. I've I've
37:15
Speaker 3: always enjoyed movies. I watched movies and TV shows like
37:18
Speaker 3: all the time in my spare time, and I grew
37:20
Speaker 3: up watching them, so I know what looks good and
37:25
Speaker 3: what doesn't look good, and how exactly I would want
37:27
Speaker 3: to film this film in the storyline and the dialogue
37:30
Speaker 3: of all of it. So I just need the budget
37:33
Speaker 3: to be able to do it. So I would love
37:36
Speaker 3: to do that. But for now, I think Michael Jackson
37:42
Speaker 3: would be a great documentary. I don't think it probably
37:45
Speaker 3: won't do that, but it would definitely be a really
37:49
Speaker 3: interesting documentary because there's so many theories about what happened
37:54
Speaker 3: to him and the star power that he had, and
37:58
Speaker 3: if he was actually be killed, if you faked us death,
38:04
Speaker 3: I don't know, could really strange videos about it. But
38:11
Speaker 3: I definitely want to continue on this route of making films,
38:14
Speaker 3: and regardless if it's more documentaries or a actual motion
38:19
Speaker 3: picture film with actors and people in it. That that
38:23
Speaker 3: is the goal to get to and I'm trying to
38:26
Speaker 3: work my way up to that. So please watch my
38:28
Speaker 3: film and purchase my film so I can eventually get
38:32
Speaker 3: to that point to where I can make a movie
38:35
Speaker 3: or a TV show.
38:36
Speaker 1: I love that, all right, and I'm glad I asked
38:39
Speaker 1: well with that, Folks, support Rider in this endeavor. Check
38:45
Speaker 1: out Clockwork Shining, and of course Raised by Giants your
38:50
Speaker 1: podcast where I'm sure you're going into other topics related
38:54
Speaker 1: and documenting the research along the way. It's a very
38:59
Speaker 1: cool thing to witness and happy to be a part
39:02
Speaker 1: of it. Brother, until next episode, Immerse yourself in the moment,
39:07
Speaker 1: wherever you are in the now.