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The IKEA Episode · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 98 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So this is the long awaited IKEA episode, but before we get to IKEA, we have a few special guests that want to perhaps answer some questions or share some insights.
• 0:47
  I Hate Talking: Hi, I just wanted to tell you that you can literally die from not brushing your teeth.
• 0:53
  I Hate Talking: If you did not know that so.
• 0:56
  I Hate Talking: If it's nighttime And you didn't bloss your teeth tonight?
• 1:02
  I Hate Talking: You should probably go to the bathroom and do it.
• 1:05
  I Hate Talking: Good advice.
• 1:07
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• 1:15
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• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: Very good.
• 1:22
  I Hate Talking: So, perhaps a few science questions or dinosaur questions.
• 1:27
  I Hate Talking: There's a new Netflix movie out about dinosaurs, and it's not really a movie.
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: It's more of a documentary, I suppose.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: So was the dinosaur documentary a hit or not?
• 1:37
  I Hate Talking: It's good like.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: Like, it basically shows you what a life of a dancer is like.
• 1:46
  I Hate Talking: OK, and what did you think about the dinosaur documentary?
• 1:51
  I Hate Talking: I kind of liked it cause like I don't really like dinosaurs that much, but again, that cool.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: Very good.
• 2:01
  I Hate Talking: Is there anything else that you'd like to share before we move on to our word or phrase of the episode?
• 2:07
  I Hate Talking: I can't really think of anything else.
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: OK, and what about you?
• 2:12
  I Hate Talking: Did you brush your teeth today?
• 2:15
  I Hate Talking: I did.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: Excellent.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: All right, well, very good.
• 2:22
  I Hate Talking: Thank you to our two special guests for being here in this episode and we will now move on to our word or phrase of the episode.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: And like we alluded to last week and in the very start of this episode, this is the IKEA episode, so I think it is only fitting that our word or phrase is IKEA, OK, because it does have an interesting origin.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: Do you know anything about the origin of the word that describes the company IKEA?
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: Um, no, I mean, it's a Swedish company, right?
• 2:56
  I Hate Talking: And I think I just assumed that was a name in Not Swedish.
• 3:01
  I Hate Talking: What language would it be?
• 3:03
  I Hate Talking: Sweden, yes, Swedish.
• 3:05
  I Hate Talking: OK, but it's not a word.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: It's actually an acronym.
• 3:09
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's why I thought it was a name, but OK, so it's a Swedish acronym.
• 3:15
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and it's actually composed of four different names.
• 3:18
  I Hate Talking: So the I for Ingvar, which was the founder's first name.
• 3:24
  I Hate Talking: K for Kamprad, which is the founder's last name.
• 3:28
  I Hate Talking: E for Elmterrid, which was the farm where this gentleman grew up, and A for Aginard, the village in Sweden where he grew up.
• 3:39
  I Hate Talking: So a specific village, farm, last name and first name is how the word IKEA is arrived at.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: Cool.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: And then he was only 17 years old when he founded this company.
• 3:52
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, that's impressive.
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: And that was basically as a mail order furniture company in 1943.
• 4:02
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, I mean, I feel like that would be difficult to do.
• 4:06
  I Hate Talking: Back then, even, because in 943.
• 4:11
  I Hate Talking: You know, I'm just thinking about like mail trucks and stuff like that, and how it's not like nowadays where they have the big trucks.
• 4:19
  I Hate Talking: That can you drive all around.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: So taking that much wood and lumber and that sort of thing, and delivering it, seems like it would be difficult.
• 4:32
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so, but that is how he got started.
• 4:35
  I Hate Talking: And then We'll get into our IKEA experience in a moment, but as I was searching for some of the background on IKEA and its name, I saw a particular effect known as the IKEA effect, which is basically stating that if people build their own furniture or build their own creations of any kind, that they will actually attribute more value to those particular things that they themselves have built.
• 5:05
  I Hate Talking: Rather than having it built for them, and they are simply the users of it.
• 5:09
  I Hate Talking: And so like they take more ownership of it.
• 5:12
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, ownership or ascribe more value to a particular item.
• 5:18
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: Do you like doing the IKEA builds?
• 5:21
  I Hate Talking: Well I do like building things myself because I do think that perhaps That I have a particular perspective that if I do it, I'll do it correctly versus somebody else may or may not do it correctly.
• 5:39
  I Hate Talking: So if they are a professional and that's like their job, then hopefully they do a good job, but Sometimes even the professionals don't do.
• 5:50
  I Hate Talking: Exactly what they're supposed to do.
• 5:52
  I Hate Talking: And therefore I think that is a particular reason that I enjoy building my own things.
• 5:58
  I Hate Talking: Is that I can follow the directions and do it correctly.
• 6:02
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- it's more of like a control issue for you, control and trust issue, yes.
• 6:06
  I Hate Talking: I very much enjoy building them, like the bookcases, um, actually are.
• 6:11
  I Hate Talking: Couches we bought came in a box and we had to be assembled.
• 6:17
  I Hate Talking: And I mean, it took me hours to assemble all a large section sectional.
• 6:22
  I Hate Talking: But I had a lot of joy.
• 6:25
  I Hate Talking: I enjoy.
• 6:26
  I Hate Talking: Building those sort of things.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: It's almost like a mindless task.
• 6:30
  I Hate Talking: Uh, in a way, and like repetition, and I enjoy it.
• 6:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't mind it at all.
• 6:36
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I don't think that's particularly my experience, cause if I could have it one way or the other, and it was like built correctly and assembled to perfection, and I knew this without a shadow of a doubt, I would prefer just somebody else to do it.
• 6:52
  I Hate Talking: Because I do find it even more frustrating when I pay somebody to do something.
• 6:58
  I Hate Talking: In a certain way that is supposed to be done so that it follows the directions and particular aspects of the construction and then it's not done correctly and then Typically, I'll fix it.
• 7:11
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's so frustrating is, uh, when you trust a professional, especially if you pay them, and it's not done.
• 7:18
  I Hate Talking: That was again an issue we had moving.
• 7:20
  I Hate Talking: We hired someone to do some builds, and they did not do it correctly, and you had to.
• 7:26
  I Hate Talking: You didn't take it down fully.
• 7:30
  I Hate Talking: You know, you, you still had to take parts of it apart and rebuild it.
• 7:36
  I Hate Talking: And that's just frustrating cause I felt like that was just such a waste of money and time then.
• 7:40
  I Hate Talking: Right, it was not So bad that we had to recall this person and have them correct their mistake, but it did take a little bit of time to make sure that all the hardware was correctly used and was firmly attached to the structure.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: That was the main issue.
• 7:59
  I Hate Talking: This, they did not tighten everything as it should have been tightened and left a couple of screws out.
• 8:05
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if they didn't know where they were or what happened, but they just were like, good enough.
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: I know you were talking about having control and trust issues.
• 8:17
  I Hate Talking: What about the couches?
• 8:20
  I Hate Talking: I made those while you were gone.
• 8:22
  I Hate Talking: Did that bother you first that I made them and not wait for you to come home.
• 8:27
  I Hate Talking: And the second, Do you think I did a good job or not?
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: Well, actually I did not know that they required that much assembly.
• 8:35
  I Hate Talking: I thought they came partially assembled, so it sounds like they did not.
• 8:39
  I Hate Talking: It was basically Assembling all the different things that had to be done for the couches, so that I did not even know, and I've not encountered any particular issues with the couches.
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: So yes, I think that was a success and that has not been an issue.
• 8:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, um, there was a base.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: And then like, so it's a sectional, so a bunch of different pieces, and you can configure it different ways.
• 9:02
  I Hate Talking: It came with the base, it came with the back.
• 9:05
  I Hate Talking: You had to attached.
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: It came with one or two sides.
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: And it came with the puddings, is that what you call them the.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: 4 legs for each piece, and then 2 cushions for each piece, and so I'd assemble all those.
• 9:23
  I Hate Talking: And only one time did I get a side and a back swapped.
• 9:30
  I Hate Talking: It was my very last one, I think I got a little like cocky, like, oh, I've done this so many times, 10 pieces I had assemble.
• 9:36
  I Hate Talking: It was my very last one I was assembling, and I got the side armrest and back swapped.
• 9:44
  I Hate Talking: So I had to take them apart and then redo it.
• 9:47
  I Hate Talking: So that was a little frustrating because I just got too cocky.
• 9:51
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: And then our new dining table and chairs arrives on Wednesday.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: And that will be assembled by the delivery crew.
• 10:03
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so we talked about this in the last episode.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: I do not know what it is.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: I know it's a 6-piece set.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: That's all that my message tells me, uh, which is good because there's 6 people in our family.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: Everyone's then we might be a chair short.
• 10:17
  I Hate Talking: Uh oh.
• 10:18
  I Hate Talking: For what?
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: What?
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: 6 pieces would be 1 table.
• 10:22
  I Hate Talking: I was like, what are you trying to sell people and 5 seating things.
• 10:26
  I Hate Talking: No, -- our -- family's not growing.
• 10:27
  I Hate Talking: We have 6 people.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: I see, because you're counting the table.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: Hm, a mystery.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: Oh, is there like a bench then?
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: You're giving it away.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: Is it a bench?
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: It's a bench.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: Nice.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: That's what I wanted.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: I just assumed 6 chairs and the table, like 6-piece table set.
• 10:44
  I Hate Talking: Nope, -- it's 6 -- pieces.
• 10:46
  I Hate Talking: Nice, yeah, the bench is gonna look good.
• 10:48
  I Hate Talking: Well, thanks for that tip and that clue.
• 10:51
  I Hate Talking: And uh when they called to schedule the delivery, the lady at first on the phone, she was very nice, but.
• 10:59
  I Hate Talking: She tells me it's gonna be delivered this day at this time between this time, and you don't have to be home, they'll leave it on the front porch.
• 11:08
  I Hate Talking: Like, uh oh, cause I remember you saying you paid a little bit more to have them build it.
• 11:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was only like maybe like $20 or $30 more to have it professionally built and installed, -- placed exactly where we want it and then -- remove the boxes, yeah, exactly.
• 11:23
  I Hate Talking: So I remember you saying that.
• 11:24
  I Hate Talking: So then that's what I was like, um, I think they're supposed to be building it, right?
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: She was quiet for a few seconds and then she was like, oh yes, you do need to be there, make sure that walkway is clear, yada yada.
• 11:35
  I Hate Talking: But yeah, they're supposed to come, they're supposed to build it, and then remove all the boxing and packaging, and so yeah, for like you said, 20 to $30.
• 11:44
  I Hate Talking: It's Gonna be super nice perk, and again, we don't have massive boxes that we have to dispose of and such.
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: So I can't wait till Wednesday.
• 11:53
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to have, well, we need to have like a fancy dinner, like a family dinner that night.
• 11:58
  I Hate Talking: Sounds good.
• 12:00
  I Hate Talking: Bring home some IKEA meatballs on Wednesday.
• 12:03
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, your work isn't too far from there.
• 12:06
  I Hate Talking: So tell me, are we going to talk about IKEA now?
• 12:09
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, even though our six-piece dining set is not from IKEA, we did visit IKEA with the intent of potentially buying tables and chairs, and We'll just go through that experience, I think, because Personally, I did not enjoy it.
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: So are you glad you didn't, because you initially were gonna buy online from IKEA this one set you liked, and I was like, I don't know, sometimes the chairs are hard and like it's hard to.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: Um, appreciate it, or not appreciate, it's hard to Imagine or understand how the chairs are gonna feel.
• 12:49
  I Hate Talking: Because something that um We have discussed is that we are not having any food or beverages in our living room, but from where our dining room is, you can see the TV.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: So every morning I sit at the table or like.
• 13:05
  I Hate Talking: Our card table right now, but future table, and have my coffee and stuff like that, uh, and have the TV on.
• 13:15
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so I wanted something that was a little more comfortable than just like a hard plastic chair.
• 13:21
  I Hate Talking: So that's why I was like, no, we shouldn't order it online, we should go look at it in person.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: It's good because we did not like it in person.
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: The exact model that I had selected, I didn't dislike, but hopefully the one that we bought will be the same or better.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: OK, it's not an IKEA brand.
• 13:41
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 13:42
  I Hate Talking: Ashley Furniture.
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: So, we did go to this particular IKEA location as a family, and it was around lunchtime, so we did go to the food court and The food was decent, and it was not massively expensive.
• 14:02
  I Hate Talking: But I think I had in, I had an expectation of like cheaper and better food, so I was wrong on both accounts.
• 14:10
  I Hate Talking: So it was a little bit more expensive than I thought.
• 14:13
  I Hate Talking: Not massively so, and then the quality was.
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: Not as good as I thought, -- as much as people rave about IKEA food -- court.
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: OK, interesting.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, I think it depends on which food it is.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: Like some of it is very cheap, like, like we had a kid that got what it was like 4 meatballs and some mac and cheese for $2.50 or something like that.
• 14:34
  I Hate Talking: So, I mean, that kind of price is crazy cheap and great.
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: So his meal costs $2.50.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: But then there is higher priced things too, like I got a wrap, and I think that was like $9 so that was more than I wanted, but I didn't really feel like anything else they had.
• 14:50
  I Hate Talking: But I think, and then some of our other kids got like the larger meatball sets, so like 12 or whatnot.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: And so that was a little more.
• 15:00
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 15:02
  I Hate Talking: So It wasn't terrible.
• 15:05
  I Hate Talking: I guess if you're in the market for meatballs and macaroni and cheese, then.
• 15:09
  I Hate Talking: IKEA is a good place to go, but if you're looking for a wrap, or I had falafel, and there's probably just maybe places that you can get.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: Better quality or an equivalent price for those particular menu items, I think, right, I agree, but you did try one of the kids' meatballs, so what did you think of that?
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was unremarkable.
• 15:31
  I Hate Talking: I mean, it wasn't bad, but Wasn't like something I would go out of my way to get again.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: So we versus like a Costco pizza.
• 15:40
  I Hate Talking: Like any day of the week I'll eat some Costco pizza.
• 15:43
  I Hate Talking: Not every day of the week will I eat an IKEA meatball.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: OK, fair enough.
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we go out of our way to go to the Costco food court, so you wouldn't necessarily go out of your way for IKEA food court.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 15:54
  I Hate Talking: Now the highlight was of the entire trip, I think, the fountain drinks.
• 16:00
  I Hate Talking: Because they had like, Different flavored sodas that were low sugar sodas, so they were like sweet, but not like overly sweet.
• 16:10
  I Hate Talking: So they had like a raspberry soda and like some other kind of fruity soda that was refreshing and didn't taste like pure sugar to me.
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: Were they from like Europe?
• 16:23
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure.
• 16:25
  I Hate Talking: They were like, I didn't see any brand, so I'm not sure if it's like a Europe specific brand or just like their own brand or something like that.
• 16:34
  I Hate Talking: OK, they had a lot of uh buy one get one free desserts, so I definitely indulged in that and I didn't get a beverage, so I don't know about that.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: Um, they do have the glass, and I think that's kind of nice cause they're all like sustainable, right?
• 16:49
  I Hate Talking: So instead of like throwaway plastic or paper, it's all served on glass that you have to turn, I don't know, it just kind of makes it more elevated and fancy scene.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 17:00
  I Hate Talking: That was nice, and you had to get your tray and have your meal and carry it around, or they even had little carts, which we did not use.
• 17:08
  I Hate Talking: To the chagrin of many people.
• 17:10
  I Hate Talking: -- They like wanted us to use the -- carts, and they were a cool idea, but the kids wanted to carry their own trays.
• 17:17
  I Hate Talking: If I was, if they were younger and I was carrying everyone's food, I definitely would have gotten one of the carts, because it can put like 3 trays on it.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: They all wanted to carry their own and go through the line and collect their food items on their trays.
• 17:32
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I don't know how many people tried to convince convince us, workers and regular um customers to use the carts.
• 17:42
  I Hate Talking: That's true, but, but we weren't the only, I only saw a couple of people use them, so it's not like we were doing some kind of faux pas.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: By just having uh trays, other people do that too.
• 17:53
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so, I'm not sure.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: Many people judge us for not using the carts.
• 17:58
  I Hate Talking: So then we, after we were finished with our meal, we returned all the place settings and glassware to the station where they collect that, and then began our tour of The IKEA shop floor, essentially.
• 18:16
  I Hate Talking: And we're expressly looking for dining sets, tables and chairs.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: Right, and I think I did not.
• 18:25
  I Hate Talking: I think I forgot that goal.
• 18:27
  I Hate Talking: Cause I had a couple of things that I want for the house in mind.
• 18:32
  I Hate Talking: So I was just open to whatever IKEA had to offer us.
• 18:37
  I Hate Talking: So this was my first time to IKEA and I had no idea that it wasn't.
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: You can't just go to the tables.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: No, you can't just go to the tables.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: It's basically like this maze.
• 18:51
  I Hate Talking: Of leading you through different room designs with different department elements, so you may have Some things with kitchen or living room or dining or bedrooms, and some of that may all be sort of mixed in.
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: It's sort of in general categories, but Not very much so, like you might find.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: A kitchen section right next to the dining section because it does go together, but they have it almost as like a room that you can sort of see what the different furniture would look like you didn't, you did not know that's how it was set up, no.
• 19:28
  I Hate Talking: So this was like an amusement park ride where it's like terrible and you just can't get off the road.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: I loved it.
• 19:35
  I Hate Talking: So because you had I prepared you properly.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: And you knew what to expect.
• 19:44
  I Hate Talking: Do you think you would have enjoyed it more or like you just felt so frustrated that you couldn't get to the tables and chairs and leave?
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: I think if you had described it and were accurate in your description, I may not have even wanted to go there anymore.
• 19:58
  I Hate Talking: OK, so I guess it's good that I didn't.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: Uh, you took one of the kids was not down for it either, and you guys both failed pretty quickly and left, but me and the other kids really enjoyed it, and we took our time and we shopped around and because the whole process and thought process for IKEA.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: Is that like you walk and it's like a showroom.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: You see like, oh, this is how this bedroom can set up.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: Look how nice this table goes with this dresser that goes with this vase that goes with this, like it's an entire room.
• 20:37
  I Hate Talking: And you can look in like visualize like, yes, I want that room, so let me buy these pieces.
• 20:44
  I Hate Talking: And you can like test everything out and open the cabinets and lay on the bed or the chairs.
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: And all that, so the kids and I really had a lot of fun.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: Walking around these pretend houses.
• 20:57
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, and it might be relevant if we were starting from scratch and did not have any furniture at all.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: But like we were talking about last time with this Dero effect that now if I buy the IKEA table, I need the IKEA chairs to go with it, and then I need the IKEA shelf, and then I need the IKEA dresser, and now I need the IKEA bed, that this could actually exacerbate the Dero effect by seeing all this wonderful unified design elements altogether, but then you have to buy everything where we were there expressly for the purpose of looking at a dining table and chairs, right.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: We walked away, buying a birthday present for one of the kids, and he was adamant his birthday is next week and he was adamant that.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: This is what he wants.
• 21:44
  I Hate Talking: And so I was trying to at first think of how I could hide it, as we're shopping, and then he was just like, I'll just get it, we'll just get it, and this will be one of my presents, OK?
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: I was like, all right, sure.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: So we got him a birthday present, and we got some silverware dividers for um one of the drawers, and we got a bunch of new painters for our closet that we're in right now.
• 22:12
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, that was definitely a indulgence thing, but it was 10 really nice hangers for $1.50.
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: So I I thought that was a good justification, cause our coat hangers are all, a lot of them are just bent and wonky from years of use.
• 22:30
  I Hate Talking: And I would just, you're looking around, I haven't put them up yet.
• 22:33
  I Hate Talking: Is that what you're looking at?
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: I see you looking over scanning the room.
• 22:37
  I Hate Talking: I have not re-hung them.
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: They are, the new coat hangers are nicely sitting in this empty area of our closet.
• 22:44
  I Hate Talking: I, I will get to them and rehang them eventually.
• 22:48
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 22:49
  I Hate Talking: So we did get the birthday gift and some buy one get one free desserts and some hangers, but we did not get a table and chairs, which the other child that likewise did not enjoy the IKEA experience, I think, made it to about the halfway mark, which was generally where the tables and chairs were.
• 23:07
  I Hate Talking: So we endured some of the bedroom.
• 23:11
  I Hate Talking: Layouts and things like that.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: And then came to a section that was a little bit more focused on the dining tables and chairs, and we did try out some different chairs and did not find any that were like super amazing or anything.
• 23:26
  I Hate Talking: And then basically you and the other 3 kids took your time for the remaining part of the tour and we Did follow the, the actual path that you're supposed to because there were like certain areas that you could like exit early, but I was still looking for tables and chairs.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: So we did sort of just speed run the rest of the Show floor and then Departed and waited outside for everybody else to be finished.
• 23:57
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 23:58
  I Hate Talking: Did you know how long it would take us?
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: No, I did not.
• 24:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we came back, we had a great time.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: We all decided there was one chair at a table we all liked, but we did not get it because price point x 6 would be a lot.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: And then we all agreed on these like, Lounge chairs, we all loved, they were amazing.
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: I even asked the worker because there was no tag on them.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: So I asked the worker how much they were and what they were, and I was sort of hopeful that she's like, oh, this is the last one, and I would just bought that one.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: But now there's a bunch.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: And that was the other thing that surprised me because I had always sort of had it in the expectation of my mind that IKEA was going to be.
• 24:43
  I Hate Talking: Cheap, but good quality.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: And it probably is, comparatively, but it was like not as cheap as I thought it was going to be.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: It's still quite expensive for a lot of these different Pieces of furniture, right?
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: I mean, for a desk, or a dresser and stuff, it is a good price point, but again, it's a different quality.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: It's good quality, but it's not.
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: Strawn lumber.
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: It's not like, you know, the dressers they made in the 50s that is like solid oak or something like that.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: So I don't think it'll last for 70 years, but.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: For the amount of time we need it while they're growing up, I think it works well.
• 25:24
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 25:26
  I Hate Talking: And then reflecting on this after the fact, I think the reason that I dislike IKEA so much is that when I go to a store to buy something, I have a specific intent, and I don't really shop.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: I go into the store, I go to the section that contains the item that I need, I retrieve it, I go to the checkout, I buy it, and I leave.
• 25:47
  I Hate Talking: -- And it was extremely hard to do this at -- IKEA, right, yeah, they intentionally make it so you can't do that.
• 25:55
  I Hate Talking: They make it, so you must walk around the whole thing.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: And then that led to another conclusion that I don't think I really ever shop except with a few handful of exceptions.
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: Like 99% of my experience of buying something is, I know exactly what I want.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: I go get it and I purchase it and I leave.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: The only time that I do not do that is at the clearance section at Lowe's or Home Depot.
• 26:24
  I Hate Talking: I will go browse that section.
• 26:26
  I Hate Talking: I don't necessarily have any particular thing in mind that I need, but I will go check and see what they have that maybe is at a highly discounted rate.
• 26:34
  I Hate Talking: And then Yard sales Again, mostly for the bargain element.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: Where, like, again, I don't necessarily need anything, but if there's something that might be useful in the future, and it is sold at a very steep discount, that perhaps I will shop around and buy that.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: And then Ollie's bargain outlet, which we've referred to a little bit in some previous episodes, where like the entire store is like that, that you can go to see what good stuff that they have and how cheap it is, and then you can get it with not necessarily the intent of buying anything or anything specific, but just browsing and actually shopping, quote unquote.
• 27:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so my shopping experience is vastly different.
• 27:20
  I Hate Talking: Do you think that you like that because it's a bargain, like a treasure hunt kind of idea?
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: Yeah I suppose so, but I'm not even necessarily like.
• 27:29
  I Hate Talking: Expecting to find treasure, like I would be perfectly happy to walk away from the clearance section at Lowe's or Home Depot or a yard sale or Ollie's without buying anything.
• 27:39
  I Hate Talking: So it's not like I'm going there even to buy something, but if I do find a Desired item that is steeply discounted, then I guess that is akin to a treasure that I have found.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: So I definitely like discounts, uh, as we've said before, I don't like any of those experiences.
• 27:57
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I don't mind the like.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: I'll hit up the clearance section, yeah, at Home Depot or earlier I was at Walmart, I hit up the clearance section there just to browse, but As an experience as a whole, I don't like those experiences.
• 28:12
  I Hate Talking: I like when I have my shopping cart or whatnot, and I can leisurely walk up and down the aisles and look at all the pretty things.
• 28:20
  I Hate Talking: And Yeah, I, that's what I prefer more, and I know we shop differently.
• 28:27
  I Hate Talking: There's actually very few times in our entire.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: 18 years and 17 years together, that we've actually shopped together, cause we know we're so different, we don't do it very much.
• 28:39
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, and I guess credit to you that when we are shopping together, you probably default a little bit more to my style because we'll go just by a list that we have pre-populated, and those are the things that we go by and stick pretty much expressly to that list.
• 28:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I don't think I make you walk around the mall holding my bags or anything, anything like that.
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: Without you, I will leisurely walk around and take my time.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 29:07
  I Hate Talking: Thank you for that, cause.
• 29:09
  I Hate Talking: IKEA was A nightmare.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: It's a strong word, -- but it -- was, it was, yeah, it was.
• 29:20
  I Hate Talking: I do not ever plan on going there ever again.
• 29:23
  I Hate Talking: Even without the kids, for maybe a quick bite to eat if it's convenient and I'm in the mood, but I would really, I'd have no reason to go there for the main thing that they sell, which is furniture, cause I want to go to a department store and go to the department of which I need an item.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: And go find the item, and that is the only thing I want to look at.
• 29:49
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, do you understand also to put more uh salt on this wound?
• 29:55
  I Hate Talking: What happens if you want.
• 29:57
  I Hate Talking: The table that you saw?
• 29:59
  I Hate Talking: Do you know how you acquire it in IKEA?
• 30:02
  I Hate Talking: No, I do not.
• 30:04
  I Hate Talking: So you take that number, because they're all numbered like an item code, and you take it down at the very bottom where the checkout is, right before the checkout, there is where basically warehouse-esque.
• 30:18
  I Hate Talking: Rows of merchandise and you have to enter the code in and it'll tell you where in the aisles it is and then you go get the box from those aisles and then you take it to the checkout.
• 30:31
  I Hate Talking: So you can browse those aisles.
• 30:33
  I Hate Talking: Like unsupervised -- in the -- warehouse section.
• 30:37
  I Hate Talking: I don't know how well you'd see them though, because they're just like the cardboard boxes.
• 30:41
  I Hate Talking: They probably have a picture on the side and or an item number you can look at it online.
• 30:44
  I Hate Talking: Maybe that's what I need to do.
• 30:45
  I Hate Talking: I just need to go visit the warehouse section only of IKEA.
• 30:48
  I Hate Talking: So you look up online your item number and then you just go default straight to the warehouse part and get your item.
• 30:57
  I Hate Talking: Well then I might as well buy it online, but at least here I could look at the box.
• 31:00
  I Hate Talking: You see, this is, this, I was trying to argue for making another visit to IKEA and I don't think it's, I don't think it's gonna happen.
• 31:08
  I Hate Talking: So obviously IKEA will never be sponsoring this podcast.
• 31:12
  I Hate Talking: But what, if any, store would you enjoy?
• 31:17
  I Hate Talking: What store do you enjoy?
• 31:19
  I Hate Talking: I know you said you like Ollie's and Home Depot clearance, but what is the store that you would always say yes to?
• 31:26
  I Hate Talking: Like for a shopping experience.
• 31:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah Or that makes you excited, like, yes, I gotta go here.
• 31:35
  I Hate Talking: Maybe the Lego store.
• 31:38
  I Hate Talking: Where you could go like browse all the new Lego sets and you can see them assembled or like some of the displays and everything.
• 31:45
  I Hate Talking: That would be maybe one.
• 31:48
  I Hate Talking: But then everything's so expensive, you don't really buy anything per se, so.
• 31:52
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure.
• 31:53
  I Hate Talking: So you're just going for the architecture, yeah, the Lego store, that would be one.
• 31:57
  I Hate Talking: The thing that is a nationally recognized brand that has like special items at a particular thing like the Hershey's experience, like we talked about that you could go browse things and items that only exist at that location and you can't buy them anywhere else.
• 32:14
  I Hate Talking: That also may have a draw towards my shopping experience.
• 32:19
  I Hate Talking: My shopping definitely depends on where I am, but also who I'm with.
• 32:25
  I Hate Talking: There are some people that I can just go anywhere with and leisurely take my time and enjoy it.
• 32:30
  I Hate Talking: There's other times I'm with individuals and I'm like, oh, let's go quick, you know, like my kids, I'm not gonna leisurely walk around with them.
• 32:38
  I Hate Talking: We go get the items.
• 32:40
  I Hate Talking: But tonight I went to the store by myself, and I went up and down basically every aisle and fully enjoyed myself.
• 32:48
  I Hate Talking: And there's friends and family that I can do that with also.
• 32:52
  I Hate Talking: So I think it depends for sure for me on.
• 32:56
  I Hate Talking: Who I'm with.
• 32:58
  I Hate Talking: And also the time of day.
• 33:00
  I Hate Talking: I think a store depends on that for me.
• 33:03
  I Hate Talking: I definitely have low energy at night since I'm such a morning person.
• 33:09
  I Hate Talking: So if someone wants to in the evenings, I've had opportunities before where people wanna go, especially maybe in college, but other times where people wanna go shopping in the evenings, I'm like, dude, I can't like, Let's get the milk and cheese and go home.
• 33:24
  I Hate Talking: See, well, that's my Outlook on shopping at all times.
• 33:30
  I Hate Talking: Let's get the cheese and milk and that's it.
• 33:33
  I Hate Talking: But I do love online shopping still.
• 33:36
  I Hate Talking: I think if I had to choose forever in person or online, I would choose online no matter what.
• 33:42
  I Hate Talking: I guess, but I only open an online shopping browser when I actually I'm intending to buy something.
• 33:50
  I Hate Talking: So do you open online shopping?
• 33:52
  I Hate Talking: -- Websites just to -- look.
• 33:54
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, all the time.
• 33:56
  I Hate Talking: I also have like a running of items that I want that are either in my cart or save for later, or whatnot, and I empirically check on them for pricing and that sort of thing.
• 34:08
  I Hate Talking: Interesting, far different ways of shopping.
• 34:14
  I Hate Talking: So you can always let us know if you empathize with one of us or if you have a completely different shopping experience.
• 34:23
  I Hate Talking: You can do that by leaving a comment or sending us an email or sending us a text message, and if you did find this episode enjoyable, you can always like, share and subscribe, and it is helpful even if you just share it with just one other person.
• 34:39
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, definitely.
• 34:41
  I Hate Talking: Don't share it with IKEA, but maybe for Ollie, go ahead and share with them.
• 34:46
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 34:48
  I Hate Talking: If you know somebody that works at Ollie's, you can share this episode with them.
• 34:51
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.