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New evidence in tot mom Casey Anthony’s murder trial just revealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: no two words some the whole horrific story up better
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Speaker 1: than them those two top mom. Casey Anthony's name will
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Speaker 1: be remembered that way forever, and she will go down
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Speaker 1: in history as the woman most of America believed murdered
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Speaker 1: her child, disposed of her body as if it were trash,
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Speaker 1: and beat the rap acquitted at trial. Believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: Ten years have passed and still the truth is not known.
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Speaker 1: Imancy Grace This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. It was June two thousand and eight when
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Speaker 1: two year old Kelly goes missing. It had been a
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Speaker 1: tumultuous night in the Anthony home where todd Mom Casey
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Speaker 1: Anthony lived with her mother and father, Cindy and George,
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Speaker 1: and her little girl, two year old Kelly. The mom
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Speaker 1: and taught mom, Cindy and Top Mom having huge argument
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Speaker 1: about the way she's raising the baby. At this time,
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Speaker 1: they believe Top Mom actually has a job at Universal.
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Speaker 1: A little do they know she's sitting around the house
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Speaker 1: all day sponging off them, trying to land a boyfriend
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Speaker 1: and pretending to have a job, complete with uniform and
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Speaker 1: work credentials. That night, when Top Mom storms out of
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Speaker 1: the house, the baby's never seen alive again. Even though
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Speaker 1: Top Mom has a date that very night, spotted a
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Speaker 1: video at a Blockbuster with her new lover walking around
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Speaker 1: without a care in the world. He says later he
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Speaker 1: never saw the baby. Joining me. Tim Miller, renowned for
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Speaker 1: his work finding missing people with his own company, Texas Equisearch.
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Speaker 1: He has devoted his life to finding the missing since
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Speaker 1: his own daughter went missing. Also with me. Leonard Padilla,
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Speaker 1: the man who helped todten mom get out on bond
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Speaker 1: when she was first arrested on a minor offense. This
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Speaker 1: is before the body was found. He knows what happened
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Speaker 1: on the inside of the Anthony home due to his
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Speaker 1: bonds and woman being in there. Dr Bethany Marshall, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts out of l A. Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge, lawyer
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Speaker 1: and founder of child Crime watch dot com. Alexis Dress
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Speaker 1: Chuck with Writer Online dot com Alan Duke, Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: all here to analyze why even today we still don't
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Speaker 1: know what really happened to two year old Keiley. Let's
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Speaker 1: kick it off with Alexis dress Chuck take me back
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Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, Kaylee Empony was the happiest
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Speaker 1: little two year old girl. She lived with her grandparents,
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Speaker 1: who really were her major caregivers. Her mom was very
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Speaker 1: young and never told anybody who the father of the
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Speaker 1: baby was, and but she was taken care of in
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Speaker 1: a loving home. She the mother, Casey, decides that she
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Speaker 1: really doesn't want to be a mom anymore. She starts
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Speaker 1: going out partying. Her parents take full not legal, but
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Speaker 1: they are the main custodial parents of this little girl,
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Speaker 1: and then she goes missing. The parents, George and Cindy Anthony,
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Speaker 1: who love this little girl so much, she's their only grandchild,
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Speaker 1: they take care of her, are incense. They are calling
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Speaker 1: their daughter frantically, where is this child. She's always lived
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Speaker 1: with them, She's never lived anywhere else. They haven't seen
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Speaker 1: her hours go by, They seen her days go by,
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Speaker 1: weeks go by. They well, she was tricking everybody, including
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Speaker 1: her own parents that knew her and knew pretty much
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Speaker 1: her a bag of tricks. Listen to what her mother,
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Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony says on the stand about all the reasons
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Speaker 1: top mom, Casey Anthony gave her why she's Cindy just
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Speaker 1: couldn't speak to a little Kayley. So I started texting
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Speaker 1: her just to make sure that everything was okay, and
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Speaker 1: I'd leave messages and then she called me back. I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to, you know, talk to her at least
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Speaker 1: every day to make sure she was okay. And I
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Speaker 1: did persist every day asking if I could speak with
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Speaker 1: Kayley because I missed hearing her a little voice, all right?
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Speaker 1: And were you given an opportunity to speak with Kayley
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Speaker 1: at all? No? Were you told at that point where
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Speaker 1: Kayley was. Yes, what were you told? I was told
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Speaker 1: at various times that either Kayley was um mapping or
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Speaker 1: um with Jeff's mother and Zachary made at the beach
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville on a boat. Um, just various places. You know,
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Speaker 1: I can hear Cindy Anthony on the stand reliving that,
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Speaker 1: and you know what to Dr Bethany Marshall. They George
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Speaker 1: John Cindy had been much maligned. But you gotta remember
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Speaker 1: the way they appeared to the world, the way they
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Speaker 1: came across where portrayed was the worst time of their lives.
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Speaker 1: They were raising Kelly. She was, for all intents and
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Speaker 1: purposes there two year old. They were paying all the bills.
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Speaker 1: They were loving her, supporting her, feeding her, taking care
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Speaker 1: of her, putting a roof over her head, clothes on
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Speaker 1: her body, a bed, toys, everything for her. They loved
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Speaker 1: her more than life. And so when we first meet
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Speaker 1: the Anthony's, Bethany, I remember that club of George Anthony.
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Speaker 1: He was on his front yard. He was yelling and
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Speaker 1: screaming at the media to get off his yard. Do
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Speaker 1: you blame him? Really? I mean, how nuts would you
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Speaker 1: go if you're a child was gone. If you're what
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Speaker 1: you perceive as your child, your daughter suspected of murder
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Speaker 1: and then twenty four seven three six, Ifi, there is
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Speaker 1: literally a media circus in your yard. Every time you
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Speaker 1: come out, they hurl questions that you about your dead granddaughter.
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Speaker 1: And you know, this household had already been a pressure
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Speaker 1: cooker prior to Kayley's birth, Jorgan, since George and Cindy
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Speaker 1: had already been had had drawn up papers for divorce,
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Speaker 1: so there was already troubled in the marriage. Now wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Dr Bethany, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Now Ashley alexis Bethany. I think Leonard as well. Tim.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you ever had got the pleasure of
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Speaker 1: meeting my husband. He's the most easy going person you'd
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Speaker 1: ever want to meet. But I would say every two
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Speaker 1: or three weeks I threatened to divorce him. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: for good reason. I'm not just making that up. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if he leaves one more cough drop stuck on the furniture,
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Speaker 1: I mean the other day I had to get it
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Speaker 1: off with a utensil like a knife. And then it
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Speaker 1: took the paint a hand painted table, talk took the
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Speaker 1: paint off. You know what I had to do. I
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Speaker 1: had to get super glue and glue the cough drop
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Speaker 1: back on the table and hope nobody noticed. Okay, that
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Speaker 1: was a divorce threat. So what I'm saying is if
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Speaker 1: I can fit threatened divorce over a cough drop, and
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Speaker 1: they've got this freeloader living there with the baby, with
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Speaker 1: money problems and pressures of every marriage. Yeah, people threatened
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Speaker 1: divorce say, you know, it happens, But as of right
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Speaker 1: now they're still married. So that's a testament to love.
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Speaker 1: I guess. Anyway, back to the drama unfolding in their home, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess where I was going with this was that
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Speaker 1: George moved back home to help raise Kaylee. The Initially,
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Speaker 1: this little girl glued the marriage back together. They were
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Speaker 1: devoted to her. Have you ever seen the pictures, the
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Speaker 1: picture of Cindy with her face over the newborn baby,
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Speaker 1: just they were gazing at each other, gazing into each
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Speaker 1: other's eyes. They loved this little girl. But for throughout
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Speaker 1: the first two years of Kayley's life, the mother, um
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Speaker 1: Casey In increasingly took less and less responsibility for the granddaughter. Right,
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Speaker 1: And so I think what happened in that household is
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Speaker 1: George and Cindy saw everything unraveled between their daughter and granddaughter,
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Speaker 1: and they kept trying to get her daughter to take
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Speaker 1: more and more responsibility. The more they pushed her, the
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Speaker 1: less responsibility she took. And I think they really couldn't
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Speaker 1: organize the thought process around the fact that their daughter
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Speaker 1: was not bonded with the granddaughter. I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: until George smelled the car that was on the toeyard
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Speaker 1: and it smelled like a dead body in it that
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Speaker 1: he began to conceptualize that maybe there was foul play
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Speaker 1: in the household. And can you imagine what that does
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Speaker 1: to a marriage. They've been under extraordinary pressure. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a special friend of mine,
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Speaker 1: Leonard Padilla and Tim Miller. I'm going to get right
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Speaker 1: to you regarding the search that you helped conduct trying
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Speaker 1: to find Kelly. And you know mill Or was not
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Speaker 1: taking money for this, just barely getting enough money to
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Speaker 1: pay expenses in his effort to find Kelly. Leonard Padilla.
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Speaker 1: So when they realize after thirty plus days, which I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna circle back to it, but I want everybody to
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Speaker 1: know what you know after about thirty plus days, they
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Speaker 1: finally realized top Mom has lied to them and they
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Speaker 1: charged her with something like instruction. So seasoned jail just
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Speaker 1: for a little bit. Then she gets out and knowing
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Speaker 1: that they may end up charging her with murder, they
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Speaker 1: have a bonds person. You you helped her get out
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Speaker 1: of jail. Now, a lot of people would be angry
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Speaker 1: at you, but the reality is you put a female
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Speaker 1: bonds person with her at all times. Who went into
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Speaker 1: the Anthony home, that's correct. When she build out, part
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Speaker 1: of the deal was that one of our people would
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Speaker 1: we would be with her at the residence or whatever
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Speaker 1: she went. So there was Tracy McLaughlin and also Robbed Dick.
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Speaker 1: Where the two people that were assigned to be with
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Speaker 1: So the one woman, the one that you told me about,
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Speaker 1: is Tracy. I remember the other guy's well, we're in
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Speaker 1: the home. I remember the story you told me. The
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Speaker 1: night she got out of jail on obstruction for line
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Speaker 1: to cops still hadn't found the body yet, and she
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Speaker 1: comes home, Leonard, you told me. She walked in the
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Speaker 1: door and the first thing she said, it was not
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Speaker 1: about Kelly or the search. She said, what do you
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Speaker 1: cook for dinner. Mom. You know, it was amazing to me.
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Speaker 1: That was the first thing that she said when she
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Speaker 1: got out of jail. I want to circle back to Alexis.
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Speaker 1: So we know now the baby goes missing that evening.
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Speaker 1: We know that she storms out of the home that
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Speaker 1: evening after an argument with Cindy. What happened in Alexis.
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Speaker 1: So then she goes over to her boyfriend's house and
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Speaker 1: they have a date. They go out to Blockbuster, which
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Speaker 1: I feel like nobody knows a Blockbusters anymore, but it's
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Speaker 1: where you would rent movies together, you didn't just download
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Speaker 1: them on your television. So they went out, so they
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Speaker 1: were caught on a security camera. But you know who
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Speaker 1: was not caught on security camera Little Kayley. So the
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Speaker 1: theory is, and this was presented during the trial, that
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Speaker 1: Kayley was killed in between leaving the house and Casey
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Speaker 1: going to her boyfriend's house. What many people say and
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Speaker 1: what the evidence pointed to was that she used chloroform two,
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Speaker 1: put the little girl to sleep, and then put her
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Speaker 1: in the trunk of her car, and little Keyley was
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Speaker 1: never seen from again. So Casey is with her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: she's on a date, she's they are in his house
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Speaker 1: and this little girl is dying in the trunk of
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Speaker 1: her car. I want to go now to Tim Miller
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Speaker 1: with Texas AQUASARCH, who has devoted his life to finding
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Speaker 1: missing people. Tim, when were you and your team called in?
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Speaker 1: We were called it about two weeks after a little
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Speaker 1: Cayley was reported missing. And uh, and I'll never forget that.
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Speaker 1: The moment I walked in the house, Casey actually walked
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Speaker 1: up to me and said, well, thanks for being here.
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Speaker 1: And but during that conversation, she says, I know she's
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Speaker 1: out there somewhere and hopefully you can bring her back,
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Speaker 1: which caught me by surprises in many cases as I've worked,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't the typical reaction that a mother has
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Speaker 1: when the daughter is missing. And what but she never
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Speaker 1: said the word Cayley, and she's never said the word home.
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Speaker 1: Waite a minute, White a minute, Tim. Tim. First of all,
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Speaker 1: let me apologize up front for interrupting you. But every
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Speaker 1: time I talked to you or Leonard, I get so
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Speaker 1: much information that I don't want to have you keep talking,
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Speaker 1: and then I don't circle back to what you just said.
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Speaker 1: When you just said Tim Miller, and guys, Tim is
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Speaker 1: the one out there in the woods, in the swamps,
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Speaker 1: All right, that that's him out there. You just said
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Speaker 1: that she had this odd effect her demeanor. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean by that? I want to understand what you remember. Well,
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Speaker 1: I remember, I mean she actually walked up to be
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Speaker 1: and she was smiling and uh. And it's like a
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Speaker 1: mother's not smiling and all the mothers in distress that
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Speaker 1: at that period of time. And again she said, I
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Speaker 1: know she's out there somewhere and hopefully you can bring
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Speaker 1: her back. But she never said the word Kaylee. She
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Speaker 1: never sent home and uh, And she said, my attorney
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Speaker 1: is going to be here to talk to you. And
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Speaker 1: then when when her attorney got there, when Josey got there,
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Speaker 1: we sat on the couch and he said, I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you're here. I want you to do everything you can
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Speaker 1: do to find love Kayley, but do not ask my
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Speaker 1: client any questions about her daughter, which like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: you know that's the first person we want to talk to.
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Speaker 1: What did you ask see her? What was going on?
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Speaker 1: And so we knew in the very beginning this will
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Speaker 1: be difficult. I knew, beyond any shadowed, any doubt, that
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Speaker 1: Casey had everything to do with little Kayley's disappearance. I've
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Speaker 1: been on too many of these cases and and I
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Speaker 1: knew we had an extradal ahead of us. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking back about her demeanor. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: my kids are my heart? Your kids are your heart.
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Speaker 1: mother in America, because mother's parents cannot understand how she
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Speaker 1: I've always said my husband has said, put me in
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Speaker 1: That has gripped America, do you think, well, Pierre's, that's
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Speaker 1: an excellent question, and a lot of people have wondered
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Speaker 1: about that, and I think it boils down to something
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Speaker 1: very simple. The little girl you see on the screen.
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Speaker 1: There's something about Kelly herself, her smile, her persona. We
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Speaker 1: see her in video, we hear her voice. A lot
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Speaker 1: of times when children go missing, we don't have the
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Speaker 1: photos of the videos to really get to know them.
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Speaker 1: And also, here's I believe that when you look at
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Speaker 1: top mom Casey Anthony, it's almost as if the mind
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Speaker 1: is checking the eye because you hear this damning evidence
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Speaker 1: about her, and you look at her in court. She's
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Speaker 1: a sweet looking petite She looks pale and frail with
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Speaker 1: her hair back in a pony, you know, like a cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: That is me talking to my friend Pierre's Morgan Now
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Speaker 1: editor with Daily Mail, to Tim Miller with Texas Equisearch.
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Speaker 1: As we get to the ten year mark after a
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Speaker 1: little Kelly goes missing and still don't really know what
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Speaker 1: happened to her other than she was killed. Tim, you
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Speaker 1: were around Tot Mom, Casey, Anthony. You were there in
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Speaker 1: the midst of the search for her. What else did
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Speaker 1: you observed? Tim? The family? I mean, you could have
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Speaker 1: cut it with a knife. It was a very uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: place to be, you know. I remember Fourth State was
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Speaker 1: on that search. I told George, Uh, you know, George,
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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Ortland though, I've got a
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Speaker 1: map here, and just in case something this happened, little Kayley,
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Speaker 1: where do you think we need to start searching them?
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Speaker 1: He actually got Pensey out of her bedroom. We had
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Speaker 1: the map on the counter. George gave her up pencil
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Speaker 1: and said, all right, mark the spot where they need
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Speaker 1: to go, casing through the pencil down and wearing the room,
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Speaker 1: slammed the door, and you can only imagine attention that
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Speaker 1: happened at that time. Tim Miller, Wait a minute, I've
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Speaker 1: never heard that story before. Tim, did you testify at trial?
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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't called him to testify trial. I
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Speaker 1: just that's what a huge, huge blunder, because I tell you,
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Speaker 1: if if my child is missing and I go to
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Speaker 1: hey with you throw the pencil down and go back
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Speaker 1: to bed. So trying to help you. And another thing
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Speaker 1: is you'll you'll recall guys. The theory was that George
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Speaker 1: Anthony had something to do with Kelly's death and disposal
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Speaker 1: of her body. And this shows this one story, tim Eller,
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Speaker 1: just bear with me, Will you tell that story one
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Speaker 1: more time? I got to hear this again. They was
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Speaker 1: here the third or fourth days. I went in the
22:13
Speaker 1: Infamy's house and I sat down with them, and I
22:15
Speaker 1: notice it was at the kitchen counter, and I said, George,
22:19
Speaker 1: just in case something has happened a little Kayley, I
22:23
Speaker 1: think we need to start an actual search at the
22:26
Speaker 1: end of the day. If we don't find it, we
22:27
Speaker 1: still hold onto that hope she's alive. But I don't
22:30
Speaker 1: know anything about Orlando or that just slapped. Where do
22:34
Speaker 1: you think we ought to start? She calls Kathie Oliver venom.
22:38
Speaker 1: She comes in. She hands her a council. It says
22:42
Speaker 1: mark on the map where they need to go. Katie
22:45
Speaker 1: to the pen down screened Dad and uh uh yelling
22:51
Speaker 1: at me and said when you came here to find
22:53
Speaker 1: a live uh Kaylee? And I said, well, something has happened.
22:58
Speaker 1: We need to start a wrong and you know, I
23:03
Speaker 1: wasn't welcome in that house there for a pretty good
23:05
Speaker 1: while after that. It was unbelievable the tension and yelling
23:09
Speaker 1: that was going on. What did George don't the actually
23:13
Speaker 1: started arguing, because that's when soundly yelled at means said
23:16
Speaker 1: you came through to find a live Kaylee when you
23:19
Speaker 1: mean and those other searches else something that's happened to her?
23:23
Speaker 1: And I said, well, in case something has happened, as
23:26
Speaker 1: sooner we find her, the better cancer is to determine
23:29
Speaker 1: to cause the death, and many investigators can move forward
23:32
Speaker 1: with their investigation. And the semper did not want to
23:36
Speaker 1: hear that. Of course, Kathy ran in the room and
23:39
Speaker 1: slammed the door, and the a tension was unbelievable, and
23:44
Speaker 1: us and I lust and then got with the detectives
23:47
Speaker 1: and said we've got a real problem here, man, don't
23:50
Speaker 1: you know it? To Leonard Padilla bondsman, remember everybody tot
23:54
Speaker 1: Mom was first arrested on a sort of an obstruction
23:58
Speaker 1: charge because she led police on a wild goose chase
24:01
Speaker 1: like someone come back to you on that trying to
24:04
Speaker 1: so called find the baby um. Padilla's bonding company bonded
24:11
Speaker 1: her out on that simple charge, and she stayed out
24:15
Speaker 1: until around the time Kelly's body was found. Leonard Padilla
24:19
Speaker 1: joining us, Leonard, I want you to think back. What
24:22
Speaker 1: were your and your team's odd observations of top Mom
24:27
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony. Well, when we first got involved, it was
24:33
Speaker 1: to by contacting her attorney, JS Bayaz, who was in
24:37
Speaker 1: New York at the time. We had several conversations. He
24:40
Speaker 1: didn't know much about the situation either. The first evening
24:45
Speaker 1: we were back there, we actually had a meeting with Cindy,
24:49
Speaker 1: George and I think Lee here. Casey's brother was present,
24:55
Speaker 1: and we told him what we would be doing. And
24:59
Speaker 1: our tactics are different in law enforcement or even Tim
25:02
Speaker 1: Miller's situation. And uh we did not interview Casey at
25:11
Speaker 1: the jail, which is something that is usually done by
25:14
Speaker 1: one of the bail agents. I'm not a bonding person myself.
25:17
Speaker 1: I'm a bounty hunter for the company. We made as
25:22
Speaker 1: part of the deal that Tracy McLaughlin would be with
25:26
Speaker 1: her in the house and at all times. What did you,
25:32
Speaker 1: Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter learned about tadt Mom's behavior. The
25:39
Speaker 1: bond had been posted, she got out of jail, and uh,
25:43
Speaker 1: it was at her parents home, and I told her,
25:47
Speaker 1: I said, look, I want you to tell me as
25:50
Speaker 1: best you can, remembering that there's no privilege here. I
25:55
Speaker 1: I mean, anything you tell me I might have to
25:57
Speaker 1: someday repeat to the law enforcement people are whoever. But
26:01
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me as best you can
26:04
Speaker 1: what happened and got to arrested. She told me that
26:08
Speaker 1: she had come home with her child on father's Father's
26:12
Speaker 1: Day evening and she had talked to her mom about
26:16
Speaker 1: leaving the baby with her. Cindy had the baby all
26:21
Speaker 1: day at her father's place where he was staying at
26:26
Speaker 1: the Senior Citizen Housing, and they got in a big
26:29
Speaker 1: grow over it. And the outcome was that Casey said, look,
26:36
Speaker 1: I've got to be at my friend's house, which was
26:39
Speaker 1: this new boyfriend she had, but she couldn't take the
26:44
Speaker 1: baby and the reason why she couldn't take the baby,
26:48
Speaker 1: and a lot of people didn't understand and I didn't either.
26:50
Speaker 1: To finding somebody one of the people that said that
26:54
Speaker 1: there was a lot of drugs and they were afraid
26:56
Speaker 1: that the baby might ingest a pill or something. Casey
27:00
Speaker 1: told me that her and her mom got in a
27:02
Speaker 1: big row and Casey grabbed her baby and left. Now,
27:08
Speaker 1: my best memory is the baby didn't come back to
27:12
Speaker 1: the residents that evening or the next morning. And yet
27:15
Speaker 1: every time I turned around, I'm listening to somebody testify.
27:19
Speaker 1: Let's say, you know that they had seen the baby
27:21
Speaker 1: the next morning, but that is not my memory. But
27:26
Speaker 1: nobody has ever asked me. You know what's really interesting
27:29
Speaker 1: about what you're saying is that she was bending over
27:33
Speaker 1: backwards not to take baby Kelly with her over to
27:39
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. I guess that would have totally cramped
27:42
Speaker 1: her style. Alexis to rest check. Listen to this. This
27:47
Speaker 1: is that night that day when Kelly is at her
27:52
Speaker 1: granddad's at the rest home where he was and she's
27:58
Speaker 1: singing his favorite song. Alexis Toscha writer Online dot Com
28:14
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Let's get to the night in question, the
28:18
Speaker 1: night that TOT mom Casey Anthony leaves the house in
28:23
Speaker 1: a fit of anger over who's going to take care
28:26
Speaker 1: of the baby. The baby has been with Cindy all
28:28
Speaker 1: day and now she wants to go party and not
28:32
Speaker 1: bring the baby. What happened? Little Keiley has been with Cindy.
28:36
Speaker 1: They went and visited Cindy's dad. It's the cutest thing ever,
28:40
Speaker 1: the cutest little video of this tiny little two year
28:43
Speaker 1: old singing in her little, sweet little girl voice, and
28:46
Speaker 1: Casey wants to go out and party. She gets in
28:48
Speaker 1: a huge, huge fight with Cindy because Casey has never
28:51
Speaker 1: taken any responsibility at all for this little girl. So
28:54
Speaker 1: she storms out of the house with her goes away.
28:59
Speaker 1: Nobody verst sees this child again alive. There are no
29:03
Speaker 1: sightings of her. There's ben Casey basically shuts down with
29:08
Speaker 1: her parents. She goes out where she goes over to
29:10
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. They go out, they go on dates.
29:12
Speaker 1: Casey at this point concocts all of these crazy stories
29:17
Speaker 1: that she tells. Because her parents have taken care of
29:19
Speaker 1: the child, she's lived with them for two years. Cindy
29:21
Speaker 1: and George keep calling Casey saying where's Keilly, Where's Kelly.
29:25
Speaker 1: Casey comes up with these stories like, oh, you know,
29:27
Speaker 1: she's with a nanny. Casey, who doesn't have a job
29:30
Speaker 1: and has zero money of her own, is claiming that
29:33
Speaker 1: she's paying woman to take care of her child. She's
29:36
Speaker 1: also just saying that she's out with boyfriend. With boyfriend's family.
29:39
Speaker 1: She lies to everything. Let me let me say a
29:42
Speaker 1: couple of things to you. A lot of times people
29:45
Speaker 1: would ask Casey where the baby was. She's with Danny
29:50
Speaker 1: the nanny. Do you know who Zanny the nanny was?
29:53
Speaker 1: Zan X. When she ran out of zen x prescriptions
29:58
Speaker 1: from her friends to pick as an X with, and
30:01
Speaker 1: when her friends had no more exonics to provide for her,
30:07
Speaker 1: she had to come up with something. Somebody came up
30:13
Speaker 1: with something, and that was the idea of Hey, have
30:16
Speaker 1: you ever thought of making chloroform? Now, Casey is an
30:21
Speaker 1: accomplished liar from the gate. I don't know where she
30:26
Speaker 1: picked it up, but she is great. And I'll tell
30:28
Speaker 1: you how great she is. The morning after we bailed
30:31
Speaker 1: her out, I was sitting there talking to her and
30:33
Speaker 1: I told her, I said, don't ever lie to me
30:36
Speaker 1: about anything. If you lineed me, I'll put you back
30:39
Speaker 1: in jail quicker than the cops can. I said. But
30:46
Speaker 1: when you get through with this case, and you will,
30:48
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat this case. You come see me, I'll
30:52
Speaker 1: give you a job because you're as good a liar
30:55
Speaker 1: as I've ever met. Wow. So she laves to go
30:59
Speaker 1: out to the boyfriend's with Kelly. She gets there, they
31:02
Speaker 1: have their day. They're caught on video at Blockbusters. You
31:04
Speaker 1: pointed out no Kelly in sight, and the boyfriend says
31:08
Speaker 1: he never saw her. That night, she makes up all
31:10
Speaker 1: these lies to the mother and father, George and Cindy
31:13
Speaker 1: about where is Kelly, won't let them speak to her.
31:16
Speaker 1: You know why, because Kelly was dead that night, the
31:19
Speaker 1: very first night after the fight with Cindy. Kelly was
31:23
Speaker 1: never seen again. Ever, then the car which George and
31:27
Speaker 1: Cindy you're paying for, gets impounded. To see, I always
31:32
Speaker 1: thought Tim Miller with Texas Equistarts joining me that that
31:35
Speaker 1: was intentional, that she knew. She leaves the car alone
31:39
Speaker 1: for thirty plus days or however long it's gonna get
31:42
Speaker 1: impounded or stolen, and then the evidence may be lost
31:47
Speaker 1: because she thinks nobody will ever find the car, Tim Miller,
31:50
Speaker 1: but they do. What are your thoughts on that car?
31:52
Speaker 1: Tim Well? That she drove around a little Kelly in
31:58
Speaker 1: that car and finally got that told her of her
32:00
Speaker 1: own self, because I mean, she doesn't think five minutes
32:04
Speaker 1: ahead a time. She thinks about the moment and then
32:08
Speaker 1: she decides to go with him and dispose of the
32:10
Speaker 1: body when when they when George gets that told, that's
32:15
Speaker 1: when Sydney dolls nine one one and says, it smells
32:18
Speaker 1: like there's been a damn dead body. Take a listen
32:22
Speaker 1: to this. I called her a little bit of the
32:27
Speaker 1: deputy stiff, So I thought about my granddaughter has been
32:29
Speaker 1: trick and she has been missing for I'm not a third.
32:32
Speaker 1: Her mother finally admitted that she's been missed. Okay, what
32:35
Speaker 1: in here now? Okay, what is the address that you're
32:37
Speaker 1: calling from? I was talking about her for your little girl?
32:40
Speaker 1: Point oh, my daughter finally admitted that the baby ten store.
32:45
Speaker 1: I need to find her. Your daughter admitted that your
32:48
Speaker 1: the baby is later. You kind of took her month together,
32:51
Speaker 1: that my daughter has been looking for. I told you
32:53
Speaker 1: my daughter was her. I just found her today, but
32:56
Speaker 1: I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me,
33:06
Speaker 1: what's Oh my god, it was cards today and it's not.
33:10
Speaker 1: What is the three year old's name? A Y L
33:14
Speaker 1: E E. Anthony Tim Miller, Texas equasearch. I think that's
33:18
Speaker 1: when the lid blew off the pot. When George and
33:23
Speaker 1: Cindy smelled the and and Georgia former cop Cindy in
33:28
Speaker 1: the healthcare business. They smell body decomposition is something you
33:33
Speaker 1: never forget, you know what it is when you smell it.
33:37
Speaker 1: I really can't describe it. So Tim, right then, I
33:41
Speaker 1: believe it's when George and Cindy no for real that
33:46
Speaker 1: something horrible has happened at that moment, no little caleys
33:50
Speaker 1: from homelife, and the and the panic set in and
33:57
Speaker 1: again attention in the house after that. It is unbelievable,
34:01
Speaker 1: something I've never experienced before. I never want to experience
34:04
Speaker 1: again with a family, especially Tim. You know, I say,
34:09
Speaker 1: how do you? People ask me how I keep how
34:12
Speaker 1: I keep uh trying to stop crime and dealing with
34:16
Speaker 1: crime after my fiancee was murdered. I really can't explain it.
34:20
Speaker 1: It's almost like a gut instinct you have to do something.
34:24
Speaker 1: And I have often wondered Tim about your search for
34:28
Speaker 1: your daughter and you turned that into a lifelong mission
34:32
Speaker 1: of trying to help people that are missing. But it
34:36
Speaker 1: takes such a toll, Like He's just saying, Dr Bethany Marshall,
34:40
Speaker 1: he has never felt it. Doesn't want to fill it
34:42
Speaker 1: again what was going on in that home? Because I'm
34:46
Speaker 1: telling you, George knew he need from the get go.
34:49
Speaker 1: And what's so critical about what Tim Miller is saying.
34:52
Speaker 1: I wish they had put him on the stand. I
34:54
Speaker 1: wish they had to he saw with his own eyes, George.
35:00
Speaker 1: Do you remember they blame George at trial, claiming he
35:03
Speaker 1: molested top Mom, which I don't believe for a minute.
35:07
Speaker 1: He They blame him for disposing of Kelly's dead body
35:12
Speaker 1: a former copp as if he wouldn't do CPR and
35:14
Speaker 1: Colonne one one. But what Tim Miller is saying is
35:17
Speaker 1: that George Anthony goes and grabs Top Mom gets her
35:22
Speaker 1: out of the bed. I mean, don't you think should
35:25
Speaker 1: wake up and be there bright eyed and bushy tailled?
35:28
Speaker 1: When Tim Miller gets there to help find Kelly. No,
35:31
Speaker 1: she's laid up in the bed, and he says, help us.
35:36
Speaker 1: He says, help us, She throws the pencil at him
35:39
Speaker 1: and goes back to bed. That shows to me George
35:44
Speaker 1: did not have anything to do with this, and that
35:46
Speaker 1: he wasn't in some conspiracy with Top Mom to hide
35:50
Speaker 1: the body, which is their defense, because that one story
35:53
Speaker 1: shows that's not true. Bethany, and you know, George, it's
35:59
Speaker 1: George and Cindy were in completely different places in terms
36:02
Speaker 1: of realizing what a pathological liar Casey was. Because Cindy
36:07
Speaker 1: had gone to see a therapist to deal with the
36:10
Speaker 1: fact that Casey was not taking responsibility for Kaylee. Remember
36:14
Speaker 1: that she goes to see a therapist sometime prior to
36:18
Speaker 1: Kayley's disappearance, and the therapist advises Cindy to tell Casey, Casey,
36:25
Speaker 1: if you don't start taking responsibility for Kaylee, we're going
36:28
Speaker 1: to kick you out of the house. And I think
36:30
Speaker 1: that set the homicidal plan in motion right there for Casey,
36:35
Speaker 1: because what happened was she was going to lose her
36:37
Speaker 1: meal ticket the minute Cindy forced Casey to take responsibility
36:41
Speaker 1: for Kaylee, Casey had to make a choice. Either I
36:45
Speaker 1: take responsibility for my daughter, in which case I have
36:47
Speaker 1: to bond with her to take care of her. Or
36:51
Speaker 1: I can get rid of her, hold onto my parents
36:54
Speaker 1: resources all for myself. They'll never figure it out, and
36:58
Speaker 1: then I can go out party, you know, hang out
37:01
Speaker 1: on a stripper pole, go out with Jesse Grint, my boyfriend,
37:04
Speaker 1: hang out on the sofa eating chips. So I think
37:07
Speaker 1: that when the worm turned for Casey and she realized
37:11
Speaker 1: that the grandparents were not going to let her to
37:14
Speaker 1: treat her daughter this way anymore. I think George and
37:17
Speaker 1: Cindy took divergent paths. I think that George started to
37:22
Speaker 1: see his daughter as a pathological liar. I think he
37:26
Speaker 1: started to become very concerned, and so by the time
37:29
Speaker 1: Tim Miller got into the household. And remember, it's always
37:32
Speaker 1: the outsider who sees clearly, it's not the people in
37:36
Speaker 1: the household who knows what's happening. You're right, So you're
37:40
Speaker 1: saying that George, George was further along and understanding what
37:44
Speaker 1: was going on than Cindy. I'm just transfixed with Tim
37:51
Speaker 1: Miller's recounting what he recalled, and then after Alexis during
37:58
Speaker 1: this time, give me a nuts sale, We've got to
38:01
Speaker 1: go back on how she led police on the wild
38:05
Speaker 1: goose chase culminating at Universal. So Casey is finally Cindy
38:10
Speaker 1: has called the police. They are involved. This this is
38:13
Speaker 1: not anything. She's not buying Casey's lies anymore, that Keeley's
38:17
Speaker 1: on a boat, or she's with friends, or she's with
38:19
Speaker 1: a nanny in the park. She has now involved the police. Finally,
38:22
Speaker 1: thirty days later, thirty days after the last time she
38:25
Speaker 1: saw her granddaughter of life. But she didn't know wait
38:28
Speaker 1: a minute, all this time, she didn't know she was gone.
38:31
Speaker 1: She just knew that Top Mom had her. When she finally,
38:35
Speaker 1: when it all culminated and Todd, Mom tells the lie
38:39
Speaker 1: that Zenaida Gonzalez her pretend nanny that she made up. Sadly,
38:44
Speaker 1: there is a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez that nobody will
38:47
Speaker 1: hire her now. Um she tells the grandmother Cindy, that Zenaida,
38:53
Speaker 1: the babysitter, has run off with the baby and she's
38:56
Speaker 1: been privately trying to get her back, I guess by
38:59
Speaker 1: hanging out at Fusion Nightclub on the stripper pole. But
39:02
Speaker 1: that's another can of worms. So Sandy calls police and
39:06
Speaker 1: the nine one one call we just heard, and it
39:11
Speaker 1: all cracks wide open. Police get taught Mom and ask
39:15
Speaker 1: her to retrace some of her steps and what happens
39:19
Speaker 1: alexis So she tells them that she, you know, has
39:22
Speaker 1: been going to work every day Universal Studios, and they say, well,
39:25
Speaker 1: let's go there, let's let's see your office, and she
39:28
Speaker 1: takes them that they go, she's the two police officers.
39:30
Speaker 1: They go to Universal Studios and the interesting thing is
39:33
Speaker 1: that Casey doesn't work at Universal Studios. But Universal of
39:37
Speaker 1: course lets the police in because they're trying to help
39:40
Speaker 1: out an investigation. And Casey's literally like leading them down
39:44
Speaker 1: a hallway of part of Universal Studios, and she finally
39:48
Speaker 1: turns around them and confesses, well, you know, I don't
39:51
Speaker 1: actually work here. She has taken them to a theme park,
39:54
Speaker 1: you know, to this this huge family entertainment place, and
39:58
Speaker 1: the Universal lets the men to help out the and
40:00
Speaker 1: then she has to confess, what, you know what, we
40:02
Speaker 1: can't really go through any more doors because I don't
40:04
Speaker 1: work here. I don't know what I'm doing here. Insane.
40:07
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me, Ashley Walcott. What she takes? What
40:12
Speaker 1: a set of cajones? Okay, because she is in the
40:17
Speaker 1: car where the police she takes an Universal. She tells
40:21
Speaker 1: the security guards, hey, I work here, and they're like, well,
40:23
Speaker 1: we don't have you unless you goes oh well uh
40:26
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they get through security because there
40:28
Speaker 1: she's with the cops. Then the cops they know she
40:31
Speaker 1: doesn't work there, right, they're seeing what's gonna happen. They
40:34
Speaker 1: she gets in the building, they get out of the car,
40:36
Speaker 1: they get in the building, they walk all the way
40:38
Speaker 1: down the hall, they walk to where she she's still lying.
40:41
Speaker 1: They get all the way inside to where her so
40:44
Speaker 1: called cubicle should be, and she goes, Okay, you got me.
40:48
Speaker 1: I don't work here, like it's some kind of a joke, right,
40:51
Speaker 1: Lie after lie after lie after lie, which is exactly
40:55
Speaker 1: why I believe she's completely lying about what happened to
40:58
Speaker 1: her daughter. She knows she killed her daughter, and she
41:01
Speaker 1: has no remorse, she has no ability to even care
41:06
Speaker 1: that she's lying. And it's Coughton the lie. It's really unbelievable, again,
41:10
Speaker 1: unfathomable to any person that she's doing this, and this
41:14
Speaker 1: is while she knows her child is missing, and she's
41:17
Speaker 1: focused on lying about where she works. It's really unbelievable.
41:21
Speaker 1: And she maintained lie. This is the crazy part, you
41:26
Speaker 1: know that scares me. You know, I'll say, Lucy, did
41:28
Speaker 1: you brush your teeth? Yes? I go in and feel
41:30
Speaker 1: the tooth brush is bone dry, bone dry, like, Lucy,
41:35
Speaker 1: did you brush your teeth? Yes? And she actually likes
41:38
Speaker 1: a little indignant that I keep asking her. I'm like, Lucy,
41:42
Speaker 1: I had to pay over time for those braces and
41:45
Speaker 1: I am not having those teeth right out of that mouth,
41:48
Speaker 1: and she looks right at me and says she finally,
41:51
Speaker 1: after intense grilling, she finally will say, Okay, I brush
41:56
Speaker 1: my teeth. But back to top mom, How can she
42:00
Speaker 1: keep up the lie? As they're walking down the hall
42:04
Speaker 1: at Universal And I think you bring up a really
42:07
Speaker 1: good point. Lucy is doing what is age appropriate as
42:10
Speaker 1: a ten year old girl because they learn then not
42:14
Speaker 1: to lie, and and it's part of the development of
42:17
Speaker 1: a child. It is like this mother, though never grew developmentally.
42:22
Speaker 1: Listen from the onset. She storms out of the house
42:24
Speaker 1: with her child because she's mad. She acts like a child,
42:29
Speaker 1: and she lies and she lies, and she gets caught
42:31
Speaker 1: and she still lies. It's like she is stuck in
42:34
Speaker 1: a little ten year old mind and she she It's unbelievable.
42:37
Speaker 1: She's an actual adult and the mother of a child.
42:39
Speaker 1: You'd never know it from her behavior. What amazes mate
42:42
Speaker 1: to Tim Miller with Texas Equissarch, who I don't even
42:46
Speaker 1: want to know how much money you lost bringing a
42:49
Speaker 1: team horses the works trying to find this baby. Man man,
42:55
Speaker 1: man man. When I think back on those those days
42:59
Speaker 1: and you out there tromping through the woods, day after
43:02
Speaker 1: day after day that headquarters. What amazes me is, Okay,
43:08
Speaker 1: everybody lies here and there. It happens um And I'm
43:12
Speaker 1: not proud of any life I've ever told. I'm not
43:14
Speaker 1: proud at all or trying to explain it away. But
43:18
Speaker 1: the way that she can maintain the lie even as
43:21
Speaker 1: they're walking down the hall at Universal, until she finally
43:26
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go. She confesses, what was your experience
43:31
Speaker 1: with her day in day out as you were out
43:33
Speaker 1: there trying to find the baby. Well, I've seen firsthand
43:38
Speaker 1: how she's capable of storm and out. That's from what
43:40
Speaker 1: she's still about. But you know, I could George and
43:44
Speaker 1: the pencil. You know, we had people show up from
43:49
Speaker 1: all over the country on that search. We were probably
43:52
Speaker 1: three seeds away from little Kayley's body, but that's when
43:55
Speaker 1: the water was high. Because we've got to remember that
43:58
Speaker 1: tropical storm came in after Kayley disappeared and uh and
44:03
Speaker 1: I remember going to do to John Ellen. I said, John,
44:07
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I think we need to
44:09
Speaker 1: suspend the search at this town because if little Kayley
44:13
Speaker 1: is under the water somewhere in a TV drives over,
44:18
Speaker 1: a person steps on the horse steps on it. You know,
44:21
Speaker 1: we're gonna make this far more discull. We're going to
44:23
Speaker 1: destroy evidence. It's one of the best calls that I
44:26
Speaker 1: ever made. I mean, one of our members actually has
44:30
Speaker 1: pictures that John Ellen got when we were searching in
44:34
Speaker 1: that exact area where little Kayley was found in it
44:38
Speaker 1: and of course, as we know that she wasn't under
44:40
Speaker 1: the water for a period of time when the water
44:42
Speaker 1: went down, just what little Kayley body was found. I'm
44:44
Speaker 1: probably one of the only reatillions that went behind the
44:47
Speaker 1: crime scene tape and went up to that area and
44:51
Speaker 1: then I'll never forget. Detectives said, listen, we need to
44:54
Speaker 1: get out all your forms and see who was in
44:57
Speaker 1: this immediate area. And you know that's just the search
45:03
Speaker 1: was diff called. It was emotional. We sent a hundred
45:05
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand dollars. I filed that suit against Casey. We
45:12
Speaker 1: came up to an agreement finally that if she under
45:15
Speaker 1: down any money, that she would pay seventy five dollars.
45:19
Speaker 1: But I don't care if Casey Anthony gets twenty million dollars,
45:22
Speaker 1: will never gets seventy. It all culminates with a nine
45:27
Speaker 1: one one call from an innocent meter reader who was
45:31
Speaker 1: immediately thrown under the bus by so many. Roy Cronk
45:36
Speaker 1: out working spots Kelly's body just ten houses down from
45:42
Speaker 1: the Anthony home the nine on one call. There was
45:46
Speaker 1: something round and white underneath of it, and I don't
45:50
Speaker 1: know what it is that it just wouldn't look like
45:53
Speaker 1: something that should be there. There's a swap area that
45:55
Speaker 1: I saw something that I called in a tip the
45:57
Speaker 1: other day and they said it would persuch. It also
45:59
Speaker 1: about the me when I got there and I'm here,
46:02
Speaker 1: Roy Cronk finds Keilly's body in a wooded quasi swampy area.
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, wasn't it in the vicinity behind one of
46:15
Speaker 1: the schools where top mom Casey Anthony used to hang
46:18
Speaker 1: out and go smoke. Yes, it was in an area
46:22
Speaker 1: like houses down right by the school. As the area
46:26
Speaker 1: that we was inter rested in. It was an area
46:29
Speaker 1: that we really couldn't stay effectively at that time because
46:33
Speaker 1: of the high water. We would have taught a little body,
46:37
Speaker 1: uh yes for the water. You're right. Take a listen
46:42
Speaker 1: to what Roy Cronk says. I called that night about
46:46
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and they said okay, and then nothing happened.
46:51
Speaker 1: No one called me back if I called him again.
46:53
Speaker 1: The next night, about ten o'clock, they told me to
46:56
Speaker 1: call crime line. I didn't want to call the crime line.
46:59
Speaker 1: I just wanted to stay as anonymous as possible, and
47:02
Speaker 1: so I called crime line and they said they'd have
47:04
Speaker 1: an officer meet me out there. So the next day,
47:08
Speaker 1: when I got off work, I drove over there. I
47:10
Speaker 1: called the officers showed up. He just pulled his expanded
47:14
Speaker 1: metal with hunt out went down to the water's edge.
47:17
Speaker 1: I pointed in the area what was at He just
47:19
Speaker 1: swept his head back and forth and said, I don't
47:21
Speaker 1: see anything, and pretty much that was it. I had
47:24
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, so I went in there
47:26
Speaker 1: and I looked over and I saw a shape that
47:28
Speaker 1: didn't look quite right to me. And when I pulled
47:31
Speaker 1: the bag up, I basically looked down and there it was,
47:35
Speaker 1: except there was no water there this time because it
47:38
Speaker 1: all dried up. No good deed goes unpunished. I mean,
47:42
Speaker 1: all the speculation that there was like tips and all
47:45
Speaker 1: that nobody tipped me off. I figured this out by myself.
47:48
Speaker 1: Meter reader Roy krawnk much maligned, but he is the
47:51
Speaker 1: one that once the water subsided following those tropical storms
47:56
Speaker 1: and hurricanes. He's the one that actually found the body
48:01
Speaker 1: just down the street from the Anthony home. I mean,
48:04
Speaker 1: think about it. Think about it. What killer in his
48:09
Speaker 1: right mind would get the body, wrap it in in
48:15
Speaker 1: a blanket out of the baby's room with some of
48:19
Speaker 1: her belongings in there, put it in a trash bag
48:24
Speaker 1: from the Anthony home, go a few houses down and
48:27
Speaker 1: ump the body. I mean, clearly it's someone within the area.
48:32
Speaker 1: For instance, in the Robert Blake case, the murder weapon
48:36
Speaker 1: was thrown away near the body because the killer couldn't
48:40
Speaker 1: get away from the scene. That's what happened here. Okay,
48:48
Speaker 1: thinking back on what went wrong at trial, we've thought
48:54
Speaker 1: about it and thought about it. You know, just recently
48:58
Speaker 1: taught Mom Casey Anthony Gay even an interview to the
49:01
Speaker 1: a P and in that what really happened to Kelly?
49:04
Speaker 1: And you know what she said, I really don't know.
49:07
Speaker 1: The last time I saw her, she was alive. And well,
49:10
Speaker 1: that's not what they said at trial. At trial, they
49:14
Speaker 1: suggested that George Anthony fished the child out of the
49:17
Speaker 1: swimming pool and said he would dispose of the body.
49:21
Speaker 1: We've shown you today through what Tim Miller says that George,
49:25
Speaker 1: and you can see this in those jailhouse recordings where
49:27
Speaker 1: top Mom screams at him when he tries to find
49:30
Speaker 1: out what happened to Kelly. George didn't know where Kelly was,
49:34
Speaker 1: nor did Cindy. The only one that Kni was taught
49:37
Speaker 1: Mom then and just no time at all. Two Dr
49:46
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. She tells a Pete what I saw her.
49:48
Speaker 1: She was fine, she was alive. She still can't keep
49:50
Speaker 1: her story straight. The line goes on and on. Do
49:54
Speaker 1: you remember when the jailhouse phone call when Cindy called
49:57
Speaker 1: her up and is trying gently to get Casey to
50:01
Speaker 1: confess where Kaylee is, and then Casey goes, Mom, Mom,
50:07
Speaker 1: I just want to know about Jesse Grunt. She all
50:09
Speaker 1: she wanted to do was talk about her boyfriend. She
50:11
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about where Casey was. You know,
50:14
Speaker 1: the line has a very particular quality to speak to
50:17
Speaker 1: what Tim Miller said about the fact that she probably
50:21
Speaker 1: didn't just drive around and then leave the body in
50:23
Speaker 1: the car, hoping that it would be impounded so that
50:27
Speaker 1: there was a place to secrete the body and she
50:29
Speaker 1: wouldn't be found. Casey is not that calculating Casey is impulsive.
50:35
Speaker 1: She's in the moment. She lacks an awareness of what's
50:40
Speaker 1: happening to her, she lacks big picture thinking. She does
50:44
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to feel good in the moment. What's
50:47
Speaker 1: been speculated so often is what went wrong At trial
50:52
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, Texas with Search, what went wrong? Oh? I
50:58
Speaker 1: think was his opening statement when he said that the
51:02
Speaker 1: reason case he never reported clearly missing because she was
51:06
Speaker 1: never missing. She drowned in a swimming pool. And then
51:09
Speaker 1: when they said that George had something to do with it,
51:13
Speaker 1: I don't even know how they allowed that stuff and
51:16
Speaker 1: about aust truths and any of it. Um they found
51:20
Speaker 1: a stupidous journey that they were walking pace of the
51:23
Speaker 1: earth to start west, And I don't know. I just
51:27
Speaker 1: took my head himself when they came up with it.
51:30
Speaker 1: Not not not guilty for it, but I think going
51:33
Speaker 1: back to George and Cindy, with all those things that
51:36
Speaker 1: were going on in the house, you could only imagine
51:39
Speaker 1: grandparents are lit they raising your grandchild, and then they
51:44
Speaker 1: know their daughter had something to do with it. And
51:47
Speaker 1: I think that the nile sit in how could this
51:50
Speaker 1: be happen? And I think any household, would would have
51:55
Speaker 1: been would have been the same, and everything went wrong
52:01
Speaker 1: in this place. You know, it was a cold case
52:04
Speaker 1: before even became a miss in person case, so you know,
52:10
Speaker 1: detectives had to catch up on for the days and
52:13
Speaker 1: all the lives. You know, we're studios and and you know,
52:19
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious that Georgia was certainly frustrated
52:23
Speaker 1: being a police officer, and this was not the first
52:26
Speaker 1: wife the case here was saying in an entire life
52:30
Speaker 1: to you bad. I think that she's kind a compulsive
52:32
Speaker 1: wire who are own entire life and lived in such
52:37
Speaker 1: a delusional world. I think at times she even believed
52:39
Speaker 1: her old wives. It's hard to believe that we are
52:43
Speaker 1: here now today. The tenure mark a little Chilles death
52:48
Speaker 1: and disappearance. It's a message to all of us to
52:55
Speaker 1: be ever vigilant, ever loving, and ever are caring. We're
53:01
Speaker 1: not only our children, but the children all around us.
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