Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #144: Fauci takes the 5th. Now that his lies are exposed, the disgraced Anthony Fauci won't answer ANY questions. The Tony Romo bodycam is out; Mark offers his take. And the Democrats hold their only Governor debate but don't debate at all, giving the Marxist frontrunner a free ride.

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Mark Belling Podcast #144: Fauci takes the 5th. Now that his lies are exposed, the disgraced Anthony Fauci won't answer ANY questions. The Tony Romo bodycam is out; Mark offers his take. And the Democrats hold their only Governor debate but don't debate at all, giving the Marxist frontrunner a free ride. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: Fauci takes the Fifth. I mean, this story is just beautiful.
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Speaker 2: First of all, it's the proof of one of my
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Speaker 2: longtime statements that the truth always comes out. It's just
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Speaker 2: that it often takes a very very long time, and
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Speaker 2: often when it does the other side, the side that
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Speaker 2: was wrong simply moves on or does it want to
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Speaker 2: share with you what that truth is. But the truth
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Speaker 2: is out. On Fauci, we have the guy that we
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Speaker 2: couldn't get to shut up ever now refusing to talk
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Speaker 2: at all. We're going to analyze his take making the
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Speaker 2: fifth Amendment of refusing answer any questions in the United
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Speaker 2: a not a lot of people were expecting Fauci to
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Speaker 2: exercise his Fifth Amendment rights against self incrimination today, But
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Speaker 2: if you look back a couple of days, you could
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Speaker 2: see this coming. Senator ran Paul posted the following My
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Speaker 2: investigator investigation uncovered that Anthony Fauci kept a diary. What
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Speaker 2: he wrote privately and what he told the country are
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Speaker 2: two different stories. Today, I'm releasing his entries from December
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Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen to December of twenty twenty two. If
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Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci lies before Congress on Wednesday, as he did
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Speaker 2: in his previous hearings, his preemptive pardon won't cover him.
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Speaker 2: That's ran Paul. So when ran Paul released the diaries,
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Speaker 2: the diaries that were turned over under subpoena, that were
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Speaker 2: kept by Anthony Fauci, these writings that he was writing
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Speaker 2: to himself, why did he do it more on than
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Speaker 2: in a moment which contradicted what he was saying in
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Speaker 2: public All through the first couple of years of COVID,
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Speaker 2: when those are released, it became a sense that Fauci
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to talk. Because Fauci has already talked repeatedly
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Speaker 2: under oath and said things that were very, very different
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Speaker 2: than what he was saying in those diaries. He can
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Speaker 2: only compound this if he lies. Furthermore, as Senator Paul
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Speaker 2: points out, the preemptive pardon that he has, it would
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Speaker 2: not cover new lies that would be told on that day.
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Speaker 2: In other words, he's given privilege for anything that he
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Speaker 2: may have talked about in the past, given his testimony,
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Speaker 2: but if he lies during the hearings now, he wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be covered at all. So clearly Fauci did not want
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Speaker 2: to have to answer. You said this, but in the
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Speaker 2: diary you knew that. Let me quote from the report
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Speaker 2: on the epic times this Doctor Anthony Fauci, on July
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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, declined to answer questions from senators following the
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Speaker 2: release of a diary he compiled of working in the government.
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Speaker 2: Although it pains me to do so because of the
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Speaker 2: respect I have for the legislative branch for government and
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Speaker 2: my decades long record of cooperating with Congress under the
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Speaker 2: advice of my attorney, I will invoke my right under
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Speaker 2: the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering
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Speaker 2: your questions. There's so much to unpack here, including all
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Speaker 2: of the things that were stated in the diary by
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Speaker 2: Fauci that contradicted the same things that Fauci was saying
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Speaker 2: aloud at the exact same time. The first thing that
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Speaker 2: I want to discuss, why did he keep a diary
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Speaker 2: and why did he tell the truth in his diary?
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Speaker 2: Now you may say that's a stupid question. Why would
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Speaker 2: you lie in your diary? Now? Obviously the first part
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Speaker 2: of the answer is Fauci never thought this thing would
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Speaker 2: see the light of day. It never dawned on him
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Speaker 2: that he, in fact wasn't as untouchable as he thought,
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Speaker 2: and as untouchable as he seemed for so many years. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: if you keep a diary, it or anything else can
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Speaker 2: be subpoened. This goes back away. But it just it's
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Speaker 2: just striking to be this is Nixon and the tapes
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Speaker 2: all over again. Richard Nixon. Why you're tapped himself? Richard Nixon,
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Speaker 2: when he was President of the United States, put up
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Speaker 2: a taping system in the Oval office of the White House,
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Speaker 2: and anything that he said to anybody, and anything anybody
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Speaker 2: said to when in the Oval office was recorded. The
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Speaker 2: tapes ended up sinking him during Watergate when during a
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Speaker 2: portion of the tapes he discussed paying hush money to
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Speaker 2: the original Watergate burglars. Once those tapes were revealed, he
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Speaker 2: was sunk. He resigned not long after that, knowing that
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Speaker 2: he was going to be impeached and probably convicted and
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Speaker 2: therefore removed. And people wanted at the time, why would Nixon,
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Speaker 2: why would anybody in politics record their own conversations? And
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Speaker 2: I think that the answer in both cases is just,
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Speaker 2: first of all, an incredible vanity, the belief that you
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Speaker 2: can do something like this and nobody's ever going to
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Speaker 2: hear it. And secondly, I think in the case of Nixon,
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Speaker 2: he wanted to have this record so that he could
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Speaker 2: go back and consult years later when he wrote his
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Speaker 2: memoirs about what an incredible statesman and leader he was.
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Speaker 2: Nixon was a pompous ass and a terrible president, despite
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Speaker 2: what some of the younger conservatives who are trying to
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Speaker 2: resurrect his image would want to tell you. So he
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Speaker 2: was going to after he left, you don't carry out
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Speaker 2: about this and carry out about that, and he would
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Speaker 2: you go back and take a look at these tapes
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Speaker 2: to refresh his memory on things. He wasn't never gonna
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Speaker 2: tell anything the truth about it, but it was there
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Speaker 2: to preserve a record for himself. Likewise, Fauci Fauci going
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Speaker 2: through COVID. I mean, he's in his element. He didn't
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Speaker 2: care that all of these people are dying, didn't care
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Speaker 2: that he's telling these lies. He didn't care that he
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Speaker 2: was the guy that funded the research at the Wuhan
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Speaker 2: lab from which the outbreak occurred. He didn't care about
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Speaker 2: any of this because he's now after years of just toiling.
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Speaker 2: Fauchi had that job for like for thirty forty years,
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Speaker 2: nobody ever knew who he was. Now everybody knows who
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Speaker 2: he is, and he is so admired. Oh and pill Fauci,
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Speaker 2: Fauci Fauci, the left and the media falling all over Fauci.
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Speaker 2: He's thinking, I'm gonna write my memoirs and I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: lay down with me, saying Fauci did all the way
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Speaker 2: through COVID. So of course he keeps his diary so
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Speaker 2: that he can go back and take a look at
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Speaker 2: his thoughts, knowing full well, that the thoughts that he
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Speaker 2: actually had, the things that he were writing his diary,
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Speaker 2: was never going to be what he was actually going
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Speaker 2: to tell anyone. As it turns out, the diary contradicts
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Speaker 2: almost everything he said on everything he wrote in the
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Speaker 2: diary early in COVID, that the best information indicates that
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Speaker 2: COVID had a zero point two to zero point three
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Speaker 2: percent mortality rate. That's not two and three percent, that's
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Speaker 2: two tens of one percent, in other words, two in
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Speaker 2: one thousand. But what he was saying publicly was that
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Speaker 2: COVID was much deadlier. We now know that COVID was
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Speaker 2: the final straw for a lot of people who were
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Speaker 2: older and already very very ill. It took people that
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Speaker 2: were approaching death and pushed them over the finish line,
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Speaker 2: and it didn't do much terrible to anybody else other
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Speaker 2: than make them somewhat sick. But Fauci was, of course
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Speaker 2: pushing all of these draconian actions he put on the
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Speaker 2: diary that he you know, he would say one thing
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Speaker 2: about lockdowns publicly and another thing in the diary, all
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Speaker 2: this stuff. So now here we are six years after
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Speaker 2: the big outbreak of COVID, and five years after we
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Speaker 2: went through the hell of twenty twenty one. We're shutdowns
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Speaker 2: and lockdowns were still partially in place, and Biden used
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Speaker 2: it as an opportunity to carpet bomb the country with
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Speaker 2: government spending that created the inflation we can't get rid of.
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Speaker 2: And we find that everything the people in the United
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Speaker 2: States were told about COVID was wrong. We were told
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Speaker 2: that lockdowns would work. Yet almost anyone who knows anything
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Speaker 2: about infectious diseases knows that it's something like this that
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Speaker 2: is easily transmittable gets out. Virtually everybody on the planet
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Speaker 2: is going to get it, and the only way we're
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Speaker 2: going to be able to fight it off and the
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Speaker 2: future is to develop natural amidity that so all of
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Speaker 2: these work. We shut down school rules, We took young
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Speaker 2: children out of school. To this day, some of them
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Speaker 2: are having a hard time interpreting speech because when they
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Speaker 2: were learning speech early on in their earliest years, people
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Speaker 2: were wearing masks, so they weren't able to pick up
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Speaker 2: on verbal cues or mouth reactions for comprehension. We had
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Speaker 2: an incredible increase in drug addiction. All of these things
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Speaker 2: that occurred because we made every wrong decision with regard
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Speaker 2: to COVID, and the guy who was telling us every
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Speaker 2: decision to make was Fauci, and he was lying about
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Speaker 2: it all along. One thing I wonder about if Fauci
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Speaker 2: had not been the guy that back toward the funding
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Speaker 2: at the Wuhan Lab. And again, for those of you
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Speaker 2: that haven't paid close attention to the story, gain of
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Speaker 2: function research was banned in the United States. Gaina function
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Speaker 2: research is the kind of research in which you take
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Speaker 2: a virus and try to turn it into another virus.
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Speaker 2: It was banned because it was thought to be too dangerous.
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Speaker 2: But Fauci and other mad scientists like him, they wanted
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Speaker 2: to create all these viruses and then they would use
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Speaker 2: this at the cover for this. Well, until we create
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Speaker 2: something like this, we don't know how we would ever
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Speaker 2: combat it. So he provided a grant to an American
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Speaker 2: nonprofit which turned around and funneled that grand to the
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Speaker 2: Wuhan Lab in China. In other words, the money was
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Speaker 2: laundered through the nonprofit. So obviously Fauci knew that he
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Speaker 2: had done that, and he knew once that COVID first
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Speaker 2: showed up and where Wuhan. Oh my god, I provided
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Speaker 2: the money for this research, and that virus that got
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Speaker 2: out of the lab. Let's imagine somebody else had provided
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Speaker 2: that money, or that it never came from the United
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Speaker 2: States government, that the Chinese themselves just funded it. In
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Speaker 2: other words, if Fauci's hands weren't dirty about COVID, it's
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Speaker 2: I think it's very possible he would have done everything differently.
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Speaker 2: All of his reactions were premise covering up the original sin.
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Speaker 2: The biggest lie that they told, now contradicted in the
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Speaker 2: diary was that the virus didn't come out of the
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Speaker 2: lab for two years. Those of us on the right
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Speaker 2: and some in Congress and some public commentators who said
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Speaker 2: it came out of the lab were called liars. We
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Speaker 2: were called fraudsters. We were spinning disinformation. We weren't experts.
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Speaker 2: We were spreading disproven lies. And the only thing that
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Speaker 2: made it disproven is a bunch of scientists that Founci
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Speaker 2: rounded up to sign a paper saying, oh, I cannot
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Speaker 2: have come out of the lab, all of whom were
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Speaker 2: co opted. Said that that was the first of what
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Speaker 2: would turn out to be many, many, many lies. The
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Speaker 2: problem there are two big problems with lying. The first
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Speaker 2: is it's hard to remember all the lies that you've
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Speaker 2: told because they're not based in fact, if you did something,
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Speaker 2: that's easier to remember then if you simply said something,
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Speaker 2: because now you have to keep track of everything that
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Speaker 2: you ever said about something. The second problem with lying
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Speaker 2: is a lie simply gets you out of the situation
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Speaker 2: you're facing right now. It often creates another problem, and
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Speaker 2: another problem, and another problem. And his lies just compounded themselves.
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Speaker 2: And for the longest time, the American media simply refused
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Speaker 2: to do what the media is supposed to do, which
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Speaker 2: is provide a skeptical look at government and try to
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Speaker 2: dig into and find out what government is telling you
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Speaker 2: is truthful. Instead, the media has instead decided to genuflect
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Speaker 2: before the altar of left discovernment. So anything that any
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Speaker 2: left discovernment does is never investigated or ever challenge that
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Speaker 2: we see in reading the diaries. There Fauci was dining
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Speaker 2: at CNN's Jake Tapper's house. Dana Bash of CNN was
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Speaker 2: exchanging text with him about how terrible was that this
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Speaker 2: Republican congressman clashed to them. They were all tight. There
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Speaker 2: were so many people that early on in this in
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Speaker 2: these first two years up Fauci that now it was
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Speaker 2: in their interest also to cover it up. There's a
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Speaker 2: story I'm going to allude to very briefly here. I
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to get to it today, but it's a
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Speaker 2: good way of analogizing this situation. The Kyle Shanahan story
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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. Kyle shanahans to San Francisco forty nine
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Speaker 2: Ers football coach. Several weeks ago he was involved in
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Speaker 2: a very bad automobile crash. Forty stitches over the eye,
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Speaker 2: multiple concussions, all banged up, and for weeks nobody knew
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Speaker 2: anything about it. It was covered up. First of all,
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Speaker 2: police responded, meaning it's a public record, and apparently a
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Speaker 2: lot of people knew about this first part. Daily newspapers
14:46
Speaker 2: used to have reporters who would go check the police
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Speaker 2: blotter every day. Nobody does that anymore because nobody has
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Speaker 2: the staffing to do so. So there wasn't anybody who
14:52
Speaker 2: probably went into the Palo Alta Police department and ran
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Speaker 2: through the accident reports and would have seen this name
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Speaker 2: here of Kyle Shanahan, or if anybody was it. They
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Speaker 2: don't know anything about sports and they don't know who
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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan was, but segulate that means that nobody in
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Speaker 2: the police department, every cop must have known about this.
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Speaker 2: We're responded to U seeing in the forty nine ers
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Speaker 2: coaches in there is all he's all banged up. None
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Speaker 2: of the cops decided to leak this and tell anybody
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Speaker 2: about it. I mean, this stuff comes out all the time,
15:23
Speaker 2: all the time, but they kept it quiet. As it
15:26
Speaker 2: turns out, a lot of people that are these you know,
15:29
Speaker 2: all these cable networks and websites and so on, they
15:33
Speaker 2: know the term they use is insiders, NFL insider, NBA insider, insider, insider, insider.
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Speaker 2: A lot of these insiders knew about this and didn't
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Speaker 2: report it because they're friends of Shanahan. Well, see, that's
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Speaker 2: the thing about these insiders. A lot of these insiders,
15:50
Speaker 2: some are full time employees, but a lot of them
15:52
Speaker 2: have these are their part time gigs. Sometimes they're former jocks,
15:55
Speaker 2: maybe they're reporters. Maybe they're an insider who comes on
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Speaker 2: a show Tenna and they're paid for ten hours a
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Speaker 2: week and so on. So they have divided loyalties. If
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Speaker 2: you actually are hired by somebody to be an insider,
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Speaker 2: that means you're supposed to share inside information. And the
16:08
Speaker 2: fact that Shanahan caused a serious car wreck and he
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Speaker 2: was banged up is something you would certainly share, but
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Speaker 2: they didn't share it because they wanted to protect Shanahan. Now,
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Speaker 2: earlier this week, the Palo Alta Police finally that Palo
16:23
Speaker 2: Alto is community up in the San Francisco Bay areas
16:27
Speaker 2: where Stanford is. This is where the accident occurred, and
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Speaker 2: it's in the area where the forty nine ers play.
16:33
Speaker 2: I forget the name of the city that's the forty
16:34
Speaker 2: nine ers are in right now. It's one of those
16:36
Speaker 2: cities down in Silicon Valley, isn't it. It's in Santa Clara. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, the police released this report, and the report
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Speaker 2: said the crash occurred when it was head on crash
16:56
Speaker 2: in which Shanahan was turning and he was struck by
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Speaker 2: the other vehicle. The police report came out and it
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Speaker 2: indicated that the other driver, a twenty one year old woman,
17:06
Speaker 2: was at fault, except she wasn't at fault. The actual
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Speaker 2: investigation showed that Shanahan turned right into the car or
17:15
Speaker 2: whatever the specifics of the situation was, and it wasn't
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Speaker 2: her fault. So Shanahan then came out and sort of
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Speaker 2: to his credit, corrected the record and said, no, it
17:26
Speaker 2: was my fault. The report said there was no indication
17:29
Speaker 2: of drinking. And when I first heard about this, my
17:32
Speaker 2: first response is this thing was covered up and we
17:35
Speaker 2: didn't hear about it because Shanahan was never drunk tested
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Speaker 2: at the time, and he was probably bombed. Why else
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Speaker 2: would there be a reason. You know, if you're involved
17:42
Speaker 2: in a crash, that's not an embarrassing thing unless you're
17:46
Speaker 2: doned on drugs or you're drunk or there's somebody in
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Speaker 2: the car that's not supposed to be. You know, if
17:50
Speaker 2: I'm in a wreck, even if the wreck is something
17:54
Speaker 2: somehow my fault because I'm careless or something, it's reported
17:57
Speaker 2: and it's not the end of the world if that occurs.
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Speaker 2: So I figured he had to be covering something up.
18:01
Speaker 2: But they said it was during the day and there
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Speaker 2: was no alcohol, no drugs in a system, no alcohol, nothing.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, Shanahan then came on and said no, no, I
18:09
Speaker 2: was the one that was a fault, and the police
18:10
Speaker 2: department then said they're correct about that. In fact, we
18:15
Speaker 2: were wrong. There was a clerical error. This is the
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Speaker 2: most aweighted police report that the Palo Alta police is
18:21
Speaker 2: probably released. Ever yet there was a clerical error and
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Speaker 2: they wrote it down wrong. Wouldn't this have been double
18:28
Speaker 2: checked and triple checked and quadruple checked. Anyway, The point
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Speaker 2: that it was going to make about Fauci is so
18:33
Speaker 2: many of these insiders who knew about this, their firstants
18:39
Speaker 2: think is to prop up their friend and not report
18:42
Speaker 2: the news, getting back to Fauci, somebody in the media,
18:46
Speaker 2: somebody on the left. They were so tied to Fauci
18:50
Speaker 2: and the narrative and so tied to attacking and debunking
18:55
Speaker 2: anyone who was objecting or raising questions. If you objected
18:58
Speaker 2: to masks, if you objected to the lockdowns, if you
19:02
Speaker 2: objected to closing the churches, if you objected to the
19:07
Speaker 2: notion that some available generic drugs might help, if you
19:10
Speaker 2: tried to raise the point that taking vitamin D three
19:13
Speaker 2: and curse it in and a couple of other supplements
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Speaker 2: was clearly something that would help you not get COVID
19:21
Speaker 2: or at the very least fight it off. If you
19:23
Speaker 2: drew any attention to the side effects that were occurring
19:26
Speaker 2: from the vaccine, which happened very very early you were
19:30
Speaker 2: smacked down and called a quack because Fauci was debunking
19:32
Speaker 2: all of this. So you were the media that was
19:34
Speaker 2: so tied to the Fauci side. So even as the
19:38
Speaker 2: cracks started to appear and we could, you know, let's
19:40
Speaker 2: take the side effects from the vaccine. They're not widespread,
19:44
Speaker 2: but they clearly exist and they're still going on now.
19:50
Speaker 2: It's still the point now that anybody who has any
19:52
Speaker 2: kind of a heart problem thinks it's because they had
19:53
Speaker 2: the vaccine. And it sure seems to me that people
19:56
Speaker 2: are dropping over of heart attacks right and left now
19:58
Speaker 2: in their forties, fifties, and sixties. Is there a link
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Speaker 2: to this or not. I don't know, but we know
20:02
Speaker 2: that certainly some people have developed heart issues, palpitations, and
20:06
Speaker 2: other irregularities as a result of the vaccine. It doesn't
20:09
Speaker 2: mean that everybody got it, but some did. And when
20:12
Speaker 2: the early reporting on the early indications of that were
20:15
Speaker 2: coming down, it was slapped down by the media rather
20:18
Speaker 2: than Okay, there's a downside of these things, which might
20:21
Speaker 2: lead some people to say, well, I'm thirty five, I'm
20:24
Speaker 2: pretty healthy. There's almost no chance at thirty five I'm
20:26
Speaker 2: going to croak of the vaccine. Why take it? Because
20:29
Speaker 2: we were instructed. Everybody had to have this because the
20:31
Speaker 2: media was so tied to this story and so tied
20:33
Speaker 2: to this narrative that they had a vested in pest
20:35
Speaker 2: in propping up Fauci. Sen aw Fouci takes the fifth.
20:42
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if Trump's out of office, it's now
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine, somehow he's called before something or another
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Speaker 2: and Trump takes the fifth. You'll never hear the end
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Speaker 2: of it. So this is a very very uncomfortable The
20:55
Speaker 2: first of all, the story itself of the diary very
20:58
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for the left, and it's not being heavily covered
21:00
Speaker 2: in a lot of the mainstream media. And now he
21:03
Speaker 2: takes the fifth, and I'm sure they're going to explue
21:05
Speaker 2: every American has the right to take the fifth. That's right.
21:07
Speaker 2: Every American does have the right to take the fifth.
21:09
Speaker 2: Do you know who takes the fifth? People who do
21:11
Speaker 2: not want to have to answer questions, often because a
21:17
Speaker 2: answering questions means you either have to lie, which is
21:20
Speaker 2: a crime, or tell the truth, which is to expose
21:23
Speaker 2: the crimes that you were involved in. One other comment
21:35
Speaker 2: on the hearing, Rand Paul the senator who's convening the hearings.
21:40
Speaker 2: He is the biggest senator, biggest I would say, governmental
21:43
Speaker 2: critic of any branch of government of FOCI. Rand Paul
21:47
Speaker 2: is a libertarian type Republican senator from Kentucky, and he's
21:51
Speaker 2: been at odds with Fouci all along. Part of it.
21:53
Speaker 2: You know, Rand Paul's a doctor. He's he's an ophthalmologist.
21:59
Speaker 2: Is that the right one, Yeah, optomologists. Optomologists are mds,
22:03
Speaker 2: meaning he had training in all areas of medicine, but
22:07
Speaker 2: his practice is specialized in treating diseases of the eye
22:11
Speaker 2: and so on, nothing to do with in vectious diseases.
22:13
Speaker 2: But he's still a doctor and he's carried out about
22:16
Speaker 2: public health issues. He's also a very libertarian guy, so
22:19
Speaker 2: he was objecting to mandates, objecting to lockdowns, ebjecting to
22:23
Speaker 2: requirements and so on all along. And he's been bucking
22:26
Speaker 2: heads with Fouci from the very very beginning. And he
22:32
Speaker 2: was one of the first to be on to the
22:33
Speaker 2: fact that FOCI was lying about the lab leak and
22:37
Speaker 2: lying about what our role was and funding it. So
22:39
Speaker 2: he's been after Foucie for some time. So he called
22:42
Speaker 2: these hearings. He was the guy was It was his
22:46
Speaker 2: committee that subpoened and got their hands of the diary.
22:49
Speaker 2: So he's the one that's doing all of this. Okay,
22:51
Speaker 2: they show up for the thing. You've all seen congressional
22:53
Speaker 2: hearings in the past. By the way, they've never the
22:57
Speaker 2: setup that they have for these hearings has not changed.
23:00
Speaker 2: I think. Ever, you go back and you watch the
23:03
Speaker 2: video on these things is terrible, but you can on
23:05
Speaker 2: YouTube now watch some of the historic hearings of the past,
23:09
Speaker 2: like some of the Joe McCarthy committee hearings are there.
23:13
Speaker 2: The House on American Activities Committee hearings, which people who
23:18
Speaker 2: don't know anything about history have turned into the same thing.
23:21
Speaker 2: They think that McCarthy was responsible for the blacklist in
23:23
Speaker 2: Hollywood at all of that stuff. McCarthy had nothing to
23:25
Speaker 2: do with that. That was the House on American Committee
23:27
Speaker 2: that was ended that McCarthy was after communists and the
23:31
Speaker 2: government and the Defense Department and the army and so on. Anyway,
23:36
Speaker 2: or a lot of the mafia hearings. So they did,
23:37
Speaker 2: they'd all these old members of the mafia in front
23:40
Speaker 2: of the for hearing. The hearings have always been the
23:43
Speaker 2: same the body. It be at the center of the house.
23:45
Speaker 2: They're sitting on one side, and then you've got the
23:47
Speaker 2: witness sitting there at a table, and then there's this
23:50
Speaker 2: gap in between where they allow the camera people to
23:52
Speaker 2: sit and they're taking pictures and they're sitting in this. Well,
23:54
Speaker 2: I don't say, I don't think I've ever seen a
23:56
Speaker 2: congressional hearing where they set the room up any different
23:58
Speaker 2: than that. Have you It's always been that, so Fauchi
24:01
Speaker 2: sits there and then you see, of course, prominent people
24:06
Speaker 2: will be sitting in the room. I still don't know
24:07
Speaker 2: how it is you get tickets to those things. If
24:09
Speaker 2: they sell them, can you buy them? Like can you
24:11
Speaker 2: buy them on StubHub? But obviously this is one that's
24:15
Speaker 2: packed that a lot of people want to see. Somehow
24:17
Speaker 2: Laura Ingram got in there in the second row, so
24:19
Speaker 2: her beak is like right over, Pauchi said, So somehow
24:22
Speaker 2: she got into that anyway. Rand Paul said, he here's
24:25
Speaker 2: the rules for the thing. You can bring your lawyer,
24:28
Speaker 2: because of course you can bring your lawyer, but you
24:29
Speaker 2: can have the lawyer sitting at the witness table. This
24:32
Speaker 2: is not a criminal trial with the lawyer is answering questions.
24:37
Speaker 2: You're answering questions, So you can't have the lawyer at
24:39
Speaker 2: the witness table, one of Fouci's lawyers. And Paul kept
24:42
Speaker 2: pointing out one of your half dozen, he insisted at
24:44
Speaker 2: sitting at the witness table. When the hearing starts, the
24:46
Speaker 2: lawyer starts to talk and Rand Paul won't turn his
24:49
Speaker 2: microphone and say you're not recognized. And the guy's still talking,
24:53
Speaker 2: and he's telling him to shut up, and the lawyer
24:56
Speaker 2: kept talking and talking and talking and talking and talking,
24:59
Speaker 2: and and Paul said, look, if this is a court
25:01
Speaker 2: of law and the judge told you to shut up,
25:03
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be carrying on like this because you'd becited
25:06
Speaker 2: for criminal attempt. I can't do that, but what I
25:08
Speaker 2: can do is kick you out. So they kicked him out.
25:16
Speaker 2: I want to turn my attention to I got some
25:19
Speaker 2: people were asking me, why didn't you on the last
25:21
Speaker 2: podcast to discuss the severe weather in Wisconsin. We did
25:24
Speaker 2: the podcast before the tornadoes came through, in fact, right
25:28
Speaker 2: before they came before they came through. So the last
25:31
Speaker 2: podcast that we did was before all of the terrible
25:33
Speaker 2: storms that rolled through Wisconsin. Really coming almost straight down
25:37
Speaker 2: north to south, and when they went through portion of
25:41
Speaker 2: the Fox Valley approaching kind of Lake Winnebago, they really
25:45
Speaker 2: really really built up. And this tornado came through southern
25:49
Speaker 2: Appleton and through the city of Nasha. And I'm not
25:55
Speaker 2: going to cover this in tremendous step because any of
25:58
Speaker 2: you who are from Wisconsin, you've all seen the images.
26:00
Speaker 2: There are neighborhoods that are just flattened and houses, I
26:05
Speaker 2: mean giant trees uprooted, which I guess you see all
26:08
Speaker 2: the time, but houses in which the rough is caved in,
26:11
Speaker 2: caved in, caved in, caved in. For those of you
26:12
Speaker 2: wh don't know anything about Nasha, it is a very
26:15
Speaker 2: It is a lower middle class town. And this looks
26:17
Speaker 2: and the tornado looks like the area that it went
26:20
Speaker 2: through is sort of a lower middle class neighborhood. In
26:22
Speaker 2: other words, the houses are rather old. When I looked
26:25
Speaker 2: at the houses, I didn't see many brick houses. They're
26:28
Speaker 2: older homes, the types of would be more vulnerable to
26:30
Speaker 2: something like this, and it just went through, it smashed
26:33
Speaker 2: the hell out of all of them. I find it, well,
26:40
Speaker 2: this is a terrible story. I think it's a miracle.
26:43
Speaker 2: Nobody died. I mean, everybody must have gone to the basement,
26:49
Speaker 2: because some of these homes, the basement was the only
26:51
Speaker 2: thing that was left. There. Are the video that we've
26:56
Speaker 2: seen a lot of the videos some people who haven't
26:58
Speaker 2: yet gone to the basement. On the show the tornado
27:00
Speaker 2: as it's approaching it, before it's getting there. On one
27:03
Speaker 2: of the best ones, there's a woman that keeps there's
27:04
Speaker 2: a woman yelling at the woman who standing the camera
27:06
Speaker 2: come on inside, coming out of the base and cut
27:08
Speaker 2: of the and she's capturing and capturing and capturing. Anyway,
27:11
Speaker 2: when you have this number of houses that are smashed
27:15
Speaker 2: and trees that are coming down, I mean there apparently
27:19
Speaker 2: was nobody in their car and the path when this
27:22
Speaker 2: thing was going on. You know, because most of the
27:27
Speaker 2: world is not a city. Most of the world is
27:29
Speaker 2: a country or water and so on, tornadoes generally don't
27:33
Speaker 2: go into a dense community and an Asha part of
27:35
Speaker 2: the Fox Valley, everything from Oshkosh to Kakana, which is
27:38
Speaker 2: where I'm from, is connected. It's a bunch of suburbs
27:42
Speaker 2: looking for a city. And in many of these middle
27:44
Speaker 2: class communities, they're kind of like neighborhoods in the city
27:47
Speaker 2: of Milwaukee, where the houses are close together and so on,
27:50
Speaker 2: very dense packed in neighborhood. For this to plow through
27:56
Speaker 2: an area where they're all of that, I mean that
27:58
Speaker 2: it'd be the same as if it plowed to see
27:59
Speaker 2: a neighbor hood in West Allie. That's how dense it
28:03
Speaker 2: all is. For no one to have been killed when
28:06
Speaker 2: you see how much damage it is, and then the
28:08
Speaker 2: aerial shots that they took at this end, cars being
28:11
Speaker 2: blown around even two miles north of there when the
28:13
Speaker 2: thing was up in Appleton, that no one was I mean,
28:16
Speaker 2: they're still doing search is hopefully they're not going to
28:18
Speaker 2: find anybody at the bottom of all this rubble. But
28:20
Speaker 2: I'm doing this now forty eight hours after and it
28:23
Speaker 2: appears as though there were no fatalities. I think that's
28:27
Speaker 2: something of a miracle. I want to turn my attention
28:29
Speaker 2: out to a story in New Berlin. New Berlin, for
28:33
Speaker 2: those of you not from here, is a southwestern suburb
28:37
Speaker 2: of Milwaukee County. New Berlin is in eastern Waukashaw County.
28:43
Speaker 2: In other words, if you cross the Milwaukee Waukeshaw County line,
28:50
Speaker 2: you would go into depending on where you are New
28:52
Speaker 2: Berlin or Greenfield, and whether Greenfield or West Alice, and
28:56
Speaker 2: then that's who de Berlin is. New Berlin is directly
28:58
Speaker 2: south Brickfield, and geographically it's pretty big. It goes all
29:03
Speaker 2: the way out to Winter State forty three and so on.
29:05
Speaker 2: And it's one of the many communities in Waukershaw County
29:09
Speaker 2: that decades ago went from largely rural to being a
29:13
Speaker 2: lot of subdivisions. It's got commercial areas, some industrial areas,
29:18
Speaker 2: and then as you approach I forty three, you know,
29:21
Speaker 2: lots of fast food restaurants and all of that stuff.
29:24
Speaker 2: Farther to the south is Mouskego. Anyway, New Berlin Rockwell Automation,
29:30
Speaker 2: which is a huge American corporation based in Milwaukee. They
29:35
Speaker 2: got their kind of their base guy here after they
29:37
Speaker 2: bought the Allen Bradley Corporation many many decades ago and
29:40
Speaker 2: took over that factory and the corporate headquarters was moved here.
29:44
Speaker 2: Rockwell Automation is a big company that's involved in lots
29:48
Speaker 2: of things that are in the tech and high tech area.
29:54
Speaker 2: They want to build a two hundred million dollars planned
29:59
Speaker 2: in New Berlin. It's along Grange Avenue. In fact, it's
30:03
Speaker 2: not too far from where our radio station is. I
30:05
Speaker 2: know the area well. It's an area that's zoned for
30:08
Speaker 2: this in zoned industrial, and there's some light industrial and
30:12
Speaker 2: buildings and stuff like that in the area, and there's
30:14
Speaker 2: also residential. It's one of those neighborhoods that you'll see
30:17
Speaker 2: in a middle class community in which there's a mix
30:20
Speaker 2: of brookfield as areas like this. A lot of communities
30:23
Speaker 2: will have these areas in which there's some business, some
30:26
Speaker 2: industrial in an otherwise general residential area. Everything about this
30:32
Speaker 2: story is good. Rockwell Automation, as I say, as a
30:36
Speaker 2: major company, and it's a company that seems to be
30:39
Speaker 2: benefiting from a lot of the tech developments that have
30:41
Speaker 2: been going on for the last number of decades. The
30:44
Speaker 2: manufacturing facility that they want to build is not in Mexico,
30:48
Speaker 2: it's not somewhere outside of the United States. They're investing
30:51
Speaker 2: in American jobs, and these are very very good jobs.
30:56
Speaker 2: It's the kind of thing that communities and states set
30:58
Speaker 2: up economic development departments for to try to attract this stuff.
31:03
Speaker 2: But we're facing a trend right now on which some
31:06
Speaker 2: people don't want to have anything near them. This has started,
31:11
Speaker 2: I think with the data centers, and I get the
31:14
Speaker 2: downsides of living very very close to a data center,
31:18
Speaker 2: but now we're seeing it come up for almost anything.
31:21
Speaker 2: I remember when you know, Franklin chased Strauss Veal out
31:25
Speaker 2: of They've been in Franklin for nearly a century, and
31:30
Speaker 2: they want to do a meat processing plant there, and
31:34
Speaker 2: Frankly kept saying no and no and no, and Strauss,
31:36
Speaker 2: which would take it over by another company, they just said,
31:39
Speaker 2: screw it, We're out of here. After all these years
31:41
Speaker 2: in this community, and now here's Rockwell Automation that wants
31:44
Speaker 2: to put in this factory. A number of neighbors have
31:48
Speaker 2: been opposing it. Now this is again like anything else.
31:52
Speaker 2: If you live in de Berlin, if you get something
31:54
Speaker 2: like this, this is a gold mine for you. First
31:56
Speaker 2: of all, the property taxes that will be paid by
31:59
Speaker 2: this thing are enormous, and factories generally require very little
32:06
Speaker 2: government service. The schools don't have to service anything with
32:11
Speaker 2: regard to a factory, but they pay massive property taxes
32:15
Speaker 2: that go into the schools. Certainly the fire department and
32:18
Speaker 2: sewer and water and other services would exist with regard
32:20
Speaker 2: to this. But what you get out of a factory
32:24
Speaker 2: like this is the ability to have relatively high paying,
32:27
Speaker 2: middle class type jobs and a huge impact on the
32:33
Speaker 2: community's tax base. So if I live in New Berlin
32:37
Speaker 2: two miles away from here, this is the greatest thing
32:39
Speaker 2: in the world. But if I live two blocks away,
32:43
Speaker 2: suddenly my nice sort of quiet. And I would say
32:45
Speaker 2: that this part of New Berlin isn't real quiet because
32:48
Speaker 2: it's Grange. Is not a main drag, but it's not
32:51
Speaker 2: a side street either. It's something in between. It's a
32:54
Speaker 2: radio station not far down the road, not us another one.
33:01
Speaker 2: So the neighbors are objecting to this to their credit,
33:04
Speaker 2: a committee of the New Berlin Common Council Tuesday night,
33:07
Speaker 2: I'm doing this podcast on Wednesday, approve the plan. Here's
33:12
Speaker 2: what we can't have happen. We can't allow people now
33:18
Speaker 2: to object to everything, because if they do, we're going
33:21
Speaker 2: to have nothing left. We're going to be California, where
33:25
Speaker 2: everything is chased away. It's bad enough that we're facing
33:28
Speaker 2: the prospect of having a governor who's a Marxistan, is
33:31
Speaker 2: talking totally like a Marxist and is all the beliefs
33:34
Speaker 2: of a Marxist and doesn't want to have any companies
33:36
Speaker 2: in here, and doesn't want to have any of those things.
33:38
Speaker 2: When you have individual communities that are rather conservative that
33:41
Speaker 2: are turning their noses up at the kind of economic
33:44
Speaker 2: development that everybody used to fight for, that's a little frightening.
33:49
Speaker 2: No again, I get the opposition of people who live nearby,
33:53
Speaker 2: but that's kind of the case with everything. Almost everybody
33:59
Speaker 2: wants to live in a community where there's lots of
34:01
Speaker 2: things around that create jobs and economic development, and you know,
34:05
Speaker 2: retail stores and all of this stuff. But do you
34:07
Speaker 2: want to live right next door a block away or
34:09
Speaker 2: two blocks away. No, you probably don't. But we can't
34:13
Speaker 2: sneeze and turn up our turn our noses up at
34:17
Speaker 2: all of this stuff, or we won't have any jobs anymore. Furthermore,
34:21
Speaker 2: for the people who want to keep spending money on
34:23
Speaker 2: schools and want to keep spending money on social services,
34:28
Speaker 2: if you don't have any businesses, who's going to pay
34:30
Speaker 2: those taxes? And if we don't have these businesses employing
34:33
Speaker 2: all of these people, where do the incomes come to
34:35
Speaker 2: support all of this stuff. No again, people say, well,
34:40
Speaker 2: well you want to live two blocks No, I wouldn't.
34:44
Speaker 2: And all of these things are things that people take
34:46
Speaker 2: into consideration when they're buying a home. How is the
34:48
Speaker 2: neighborhood zoned, how close are you to a road where
34:51
Speaker 2: something can be developed, and so on. The data centers,
34:56
Speaker 2: I believe, is another thing in which the benefits overall
34:59
Speaker 2: for a community in a region, in a state are
35:01
Speaker 2: going to be massively positive. But I grant you, I
35:05
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to live a mile away from one of them.
35:08
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to live next door to them. They
35:09
Speaker 2: have They send off all this noise in the whirr
35:12
Speaker 2: and you got to have unless they build power plants
35:14
Speaker 2: that all of them. There are going to be power
35:16
Speaker 2: lines that come in to bring it into the through
35:18
Speaker 2: the grid. We have this story going on right now
35:20
Speaker 2: in the East Troy area. They're planning to build a
35:23
Speaker 2: data center there and the data center operator is going
35:25
Speaker 2: to build their own power plant, which I think that's
35:29
Speaker 2: the perfect solution to everything. You don't have to have
35:31
Speaker 2: the big power lines coming through, and you don't have
35:33
Speaker 2: to tap the grid, you don't have to drive up
35:35
Speaker 2: everybody else's electric costs. They're just going to build their
35:38
Speaker 2: own power plan and put there. There are people in
35:40
Speaker 2: East Troy that are objecting to the power plant. If
35:46
Speaker 2: we had this kind of mindset one hundred years ago,
35:48
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have had the Industrial Revolution, we wouldn't have
35:51
Speaker 2: had any factories, we wouldn't have had anything. You know.
36:01
Speaker 2: Trump has pushed very hard for this new industrial revolution
36:04
Speaker 2: in America and a lot of people have said that
36:06
Speaker 2: it hasn't yet materialized. Well, it has it, it's only
36:09
Speaker 2: eighteen months in. He wants us to revert back to
36:12
Speaker 2: what we were, a country that made things, because when
36:16
Speaker 2: all of our stuff has made overseas, we're at the
36:18
Speaker 2: mercy of foreign governments, We're at the mercy of unfair
36:22
Speaker 2: trade policies and your middle classy roads because the kinds
36:28
Speaker 2: of companies that make things, the vast majority of their
36:31
Speaker 2: employees those are middle class type jobs, and the middle
36:34
Speaker 2: class in America has indeed been gradually eroding. But one
36:38
Speaker 2: of the obstacles of this is going to be if
36:41
Speaker 2: you can't put everything in Texas, you can't put everything
36:44
Speaker 2: in Alabama and South Carolina, these states that are in Tennessee,
36:48
Speaker 2: all these states that are getting massive renaissances and manufacturing
36:52
Speaker 2: because they're embracing all of it. We can't have everything
36:55
Speaker 2: go down there because the remaining states are going to
36:57
Speaker 2: become welfare states. We can't become California here, which is why,
37:03
Speaker 2: as I say, the key is where you locate this stuff.
37:07
Speaker 2: And in the case of the plant in New Berlin,
37:10
Speaker 2: it's a quasi residential area, but it's more commercial and
37:14
Speaker 2: all of that is in there, and it seems to
37:17
Speaker 2: me that the site is fine. But I grant you,
37:19
Speaker 2: as I said nineteen times, if I lived two blocks away,
37:22
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be happy about this at all. But the
37:24
Speaker 2: community has to decide what is in the larger good,
37:26
Speaker 2: because nobody wants to have anything within two blocks of them,
37:31
Speaker 2: other than all the people who moved to downtowns in
37:34
Speaker 2: the United States who want to have nothing but commotion
37:36
Speaker 2: around them all the time. The Democrats in Wisconsin had
37:40
Speaker 2: their only debate for governor last night. First of all,
37:45
Speaker 2: I don't even know if anybody says, why was there
37:47
Speaker 2: only one? You would think that there would be like
37:51
Speaker 2: three or four of them. There was only one. Now
37:56
Speaker 2: we call it a debate because that's what they called it.
37:59
Speaker 2: It was in a debate. I want to analyze this
38:02
Speaker 2: when we come back at a moment here on the
38:03
Speaker 2: Markedelling podcast, This is the Markdelling Podcast. There are some
38:12
Speaker 2: things in life I don't want to do. I think
38:14
Speaker 2: that's like half of them, isn't it, But you have
38:18
Speaker 2: to do them. I really didn't want to watch the
38:23
Speaker 2: five Democrats running for governor have this debate. But my
38:29
Speaker 2: job is to talk about stuff like this because I
38:32
Speaker 2: know that most of you weren't going to watch the
38:34
Speaker 2: damn thing either. So I had to watch this so
38:37
Speaker 2: I could share what happened with you, and I did.
38:40
Speaker 2: I watched it. I watched about ninety percent of it.
38:46
Speaker 2: What you have here are five Democrats running the gamut
38:49
Speaker 2: from an out and out Marxist to a regular old
38:53
Speaker 2: old school lefty, with others in between the two of them.
39:00
Speaker 2: The way the thing was formatted, I mean the two interviews,
39:06
Speaker 2: I didn't even bother to find out who the two
39:08
Speaker 2: interviewers were. Did you know who they were? Is Matt
39:15
Speaker 2: or Max? Did you say Matt Smith?
39:18
Speaker 1: Is?
39:18
Speaker 2: He? Was? He the African American man? Oh? That that
39:24
Speaker 2: was the other guy. See, I don't know. I don't
39:26
Speaker 2: watch local TV anymore and I miss nothing. I don't
39:28
Speaker 2: know who they are. Matt Smith, according to Jason, was
39:31
Speaker 2: one of them, and there was Anyway, the two reporters,
39:34
Speaker 2: I thought they were more knowledgeable than you normally get
39:37
Speaker 2: in this because Jaron and Jordan. Is he from Madison
39:41
Speaker 2: or is he from a local station. He's from Channel twelves,
39:44
Speaker 2: Channel twelve and Milwaukee sponsored the debate, and so I
39:47
Speaker 2: don't know who he was. Anyway, if you ever did
39:50
Speaker 2: you watch this show Deep Jason Deep? That was the
39:54
Speaker 2: Julia Louis Dreyfus show. I make fun of people when
39:59
Speaker 2: they don't don't watch like the great stuff that was
40:01
Speaker 2: on cable of streaming. But I haven't watched ninety percent
40:04
Speaker 2: of them either, So the ten percent of stuff that
40:06
Speaker 2: you really have to watch, I just assume everybody's seen them. Anyway,
40:10
Speaker 2: Veep was this great takeoff. It started when she was
40:12
Speaker 2: the vice president and then she ran for president and
40:15
Speaker 2: carried on for a number of years and it was
40:17
Speaker 2: a satire and like everything else, Jul Louis Dyaphus says,
40:21
Speaker 2: is really really funny. That guy what was Jordan? What's
40:23
Speaker 2: his first name? Jed Jeron Jordan. I mean he vocally
40:30
Speaker 2: and even by appearance, was a dead ringer for this
40:32
Speaker 2: character on VEEP named Richard Split. I mean, even the
40:35
Speaker 2: way he has I'm thinking, I'm watching Richard Splett. He's
40:38
Speaker 2: the moderator of the debate. So they'd ask a question
40:42
Speaker 2: and the Democrat, each of the Democrat candidates would like
40:45
Speaker 2: not respond to the question, and the answers it were
40:48
Speaker 2: required to be very short, and after they were done,
40:50
Speaker 2: the moderators did go right back to us but the
40:53
Speaker 2: question yes or no, and they did force him to
40:57
Speaker 2: answer each time on that, and I thought that that
40:59
Speaker 2: was way better than most of the debates these debates
41:02
Speaker 2: are run. But the problem with the debate is, and
41:05
Speaker 2: I know why they have this, there's five candidates and
41:09
Speaker 2: they want to give all of them equal time, and
41:10
Speaker 2: they want to be able to cover a lot of material.
41:12
Speaker 2: So all of the answers were short. And what they
41:14
Speaker 2: did is they simply put questions to each of these candidates,
41:17
Speaker 2: so you ended up with not a debate. It was
41:19
Speaker 2: like there were five separate news conferences that were being held. Okay,
41:23
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask this one this, I'm asking this one,
41:24
Speaker 2: then I'm asking this one then and the candidates themselves
41:27
Speaker 2: in their response, they can of course initially say whatever
41:30
Speaker 2: they want, and what they all did was just put
41:33
Speaker 2: out their talking points and whatever that issue was, and
41:36
Speaker 2: none of them debated anything that the other candidate had
41:40
Speaker 2: to say. Now, there were many people who thought that
41:46
Speaker 2: this would debate would be the first time you would
41:49
Speaker 2: see at least one or maybe two of the other
41:51
Speaker 2: Democrats attacking the front runner, the front runner, the clear
41:55
Speaker 2: front runner. Recording to polls, which are hard to you
41:59
Speaker 2: can't say they're fully reliable at this stage because zillions
42:03
Speaker 2: of Democrats are undecided, and you have a candidate's drop
42:05
Speaker 2: in and out of the race. But everyone that's been
42:07
Speaker 2: done and every one of the candidate's polls, they all
42:09
Speaker 2: show the Marxist winning and winning way ahead, but her
42:14
Speaker 2: winning way ahead is still with only twenty six percent
42:17
Speaker 2: of the vote. Francesco hins around twenty six percent. Then
42:21
Speaker 2: you're seeing a couple of ten and elevens, and like
42:23
Speaker 2: half the Democrats are undecided. So she's way ahead of
42:26
Speaker 2: everybody else. But she's clearly not the choice of three
42:29
Speaker 2: fourths of the party at least at this point. But
42:32
Speaker 2: she's ahead of the others. And she is a candidate that,
42:38
Speaker 2: even by the standards of Democrats, is radical. She's the
42:42
Speaker 2: left of AOC, she's a member of the Democratic Socialist
42:44
Speaker 2: of America, which has an out and out Marxist agenda.
42:48
Speaker 2: She's not disabout a single one of their positions. The
42:55
Speaker 2: other democ call de Roy's is probably the closest to her,
42:58
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't go all the way to say that
43:00
Speaker 2: shee'sing out and out marxis the way hang is. Then
43:03
Speaker 2: you've got Mendela Barnes, who's kind of lefty, David Crawley,
43:06
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee County executive, who's kind of lefty, and then
43:09
Speaker 2: you've got Joel Brennan, who's also a lefty, but more
43:12
Speaker 2: of the kind of like a Tony Eavers lefty and
43:16
Speaker 2: actually sharper than Tony, but he's just like an old
43:19
Speaker 2: white guy Democrat from the old school Democratic Party. So
43:22
Speaker 2: here you've got a Marxist running against the four of them,
43:25
Speaker 2: but none of them criticized. Not only did not criticize her,
43:29
Speaker 2: they didn't criticize any of her positions. So seriously, why
43:34
Speaker 2: have the debate. What's the point of a debate if
43:37
Speaker 2: the candidates don't debate. Because of the persistence of the
43:43
Speaker 2: media questioners, they were able to get to some differences
43:47
Speaker 2: of opinion. For example, two of them came right out
43:49
Speaker 2: and said that they wouldn't scale back school choice in Wisconsin.
43:55
Speaker 2: It's a big issue, particularly in Milwaukee, where a huge
43:57
Speaker 2: percentage of the kids go to private schools under the
44:00
Speaker 2: Cheel school choice program and thrive at those schools do
44:03
Speaker 2: way better than they would do under the rat hole
44:05
Speaker 2: that we call the Milwaukee public school system. Francesca Hank
44:08
Speaker 2: came right out and said she's against school choice and
44:11
Speaker 2: we'll end it. So, I mean all of you that
44:14
Speaker 2: are sending your kids to the two Saint Augie's in Milwaukee,
44:20
Speaker 2: to Christo Ray, we'll go through the list of You're done,
44:27
Speaker 2: all these schools that are thriving. We won't have any
44:29
Speaker 2: of him anymore if Francesca han is the governor. She
44:33
Speaker 2: said it, and she said it mostly because they pressed
44:35
Speaker 2: her on it. But the other four didn't turn and
44:37
Speaker 2: criticize her for that. You could have easily had Crowley,
44:43
Speaker 2: who said I'm in favor of keeping school choice in Milwaukee,
44:48
Speaker 2: turn to her and say you want to kick all
44:49
Speaker 2: the kids out of Mesmer High School in the north
44:51
Speaker 2: side of Milwaukee. He didn't do that. If none of
44:56
Speaker 2: them attack her, she's going to win. I know a
45:00
Speaker 2: fair Amountawa politics I know what their thinking is here.
45:05
Speaker 2: I can easily read the Democrat mind. It's not that
45:08
Speaker 2: hard to do because the Democrat mind isn't particularly complicated.
45:12
Speaker 2: I think generally speaking, it's easier to read the mind
45:15
Speaker 2: of a stupid person than a smart person. But it's
45:19
Speaker 2: that hard to read their minds here, all of these
45:22
Speaker 2: candidates that are all four of them that are running
45:24
Speaker 2: behind Hong no that in order to beat her, you're
45:29
Speaker 2: going to have to start attacking her. Voting began yesterday,
45:34
Speaker 2: the election day itself. The end of voting is in
45:36
Speaker 2: thirteen days. There's no time left. They're thinking, we're going
45:41
Speaker 2: to use our advertising to start roughing her up, but
45:45
Speaker 2: don't do it in a public debate because it will
45:47
Speaker 2: create create a backlash. That's what they're all thinking, which
45:52
Speaker 2: is again all well and good, except I haven't seen
45:55
Speaker 2: many ads that are attacking Hang for her Marxist beliefs.
45:59
Speaker 2: And second, if you have a problem with her Marxism,
46:08
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be afraid to say you have a problem
46:10
Speaker 2: with her Marxism. There's a story in today's Wall Street Journal.
46:17
Speaker 2: It's a big story that covers this issue in Wisconsin.
46:21
Speaker 2: The reason it's a story is this we've had all
46:24
Speaker 2: over the country. They call themselves democratic socialists. These Marxists
46:28
Speaker 2: win democratic primaries. Several New York State congressional districts went
46:32
Speaker 2: that way, the original members of the squad. That was
46:34
Speaker 2: the first wave of them that came in in eighteen
46:36
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two in that era, the AOC era. So
46:41
Speaker 2: this has happened in very liberal congressional districts. Mamdani himself
46:46
Speaker 2: got elected mayor of New York, a very very liberal city.
46:50
Speaker 2: Hang is the first one of this ILK that's trying
46:55
Speaker 2: to be elected statewide in a swing state. Wisconsin's not
47:00
Speaker 2: seventy percent Democrats state like say California. We're not even
47:04
Speaker 2: a fifty six percent Democrats state, like New Jersey. We're
47:08
Speaker 2: not Connecticut, which is probably a sixty percent Democrats state.
47:11
Speaker 2: I don't know that as out and out Marxist could
47:13
Speaker 2: win in any of those states. They tend to be
47:15
Speaker 2: electing rather conventional, regular old bull lefty Democrats. But here
47:20
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, in which our elections go back and forth,
47:25
Speaker 2: all of our major elections are very very close. All
47:30
Speaker 2: three Trump elections were very very close. Our governor's races
47:34
Speaker 2: have tended to be very very close. Most of our
47:37
Speaker 2: United States Senate races, not all of them are very
47:39
Speaker 2: very close. We're a very evenly divided state. So can
47:44
Speaker 2: the Democrats put up as their candidate in an evenly
47:46
Speaker 2: divided state somebody as radical as Francesca Han Now? The
47:51
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal story points out that the Democrats that
47:54
Speaker 2: Wisconsinder are freaked out with concern over This story is
47:58
Speaker 2: written by John McCormick. He writes, Francesca Hong, a dues
48:01
Speaker 2: paying member of the Democratic Socialists of America, has established Democrats.
48:06
Speaker 2: Establishment Democrats rattled ahead of the August eleventh primary for
48:09
Speaker 2: governor Hang a thirty seven year old state representative and
48:12
Speaker 2: part time bartender. By the way, what is it about
48:14
Speaker 2: these radicals and being bartenders? That's what AOC was too.
48:23
Speaker 2: That actually is a pretty good question, isn't it. I mean,
48:26
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that elan Omar was a bartender. For
48:28
Speaker 2: one thing, she would have been too mean to serve
48:32
Speaker 2: serve anybody their drink. I mean, I'm actually surprised Francesca
48:35
Speaker 2: Hong could be I mean, it's got to be a
48:37
Speaker 2: bar wer only lefties come into, because I can't imagine
48:39
Speaker 2: that she's the type that like wants to do something
48:42
Speaker 2: for somebody else. I mean, can you imagine AOC saying
48:45
Speaker 2: thank you? Never well that you know, that was before
48:49
Speaker 2: she got in there, and Hang's in the state Assembly
48:51
Speaker 2: and she's a bartender. That's her side gig anyway, Leeds.
48:57
Speaker 2: In the most recent Market Law School primary poll, she
49:00
Speaker 2: is outpacing a former lieutenant governor now dropped out, a
49:03
Speaker 2: former top state administrator, and several other more prominent Democrats.
49:06
Speaker 2: The race is one of three heartland Democratic primaries in
49:09
Speaker 2: early August offering insights into the party's direction. The other
49:13
Speaker 2: two are US Senate contests in Michigan and Minnesota. Hong's
49:16
Speaker 2: bid will also test whether Democratic Socialists, a rising faction
49:20
Speaker 2: within the party that is one in deeply blue cities
49:23
Speaker 2: and districts, can win statewide primaries in purple states. The
49:27
Speaker 2: primaries are playing out as Democrats remain divided about how
49:31
Speaker 2: to more widely win competitive elections. One wing asserts battleground
49:36
Speaker 2: districts and states are won by wooing independent voters with moderation,
49:41
Speaker 2: while another says voters are eager for significant change at
49:44
Speaker 2: a time of widespread skepticism and government and widening economic
49:48
Speaker 2: disparity hang. Wisconsin's first Asian American state legislator is solidly
49:54
Speaker 2: on the side, calling for a vast expansion of government
49:56
Speaker 2: into virtually every corner of life, from freeach childcare and
50:00
Speaker 2: mass transit to publicly run grocery stores in the elimination
50:04
Speaker 2: of all college debt. She backs legalizing marijuana to fund
50:08
Speaker 2: high speed broadband, and supports a state run development bank,
50:12
Speaker 2: medicare for all, a thirty two hour work week with
50:15
Speaker 2: no pay cut, a volaging ICE, restoring voting rights to felons,
50:20
Speaker 2: and the eventual elimination or at least reduction of prisons
50:23
Speaker 2: and police. Again, as the Wall Street Journal story puts on,
50:26
Speaker 2: those are all of her positions. I mean, as much
50:31
Speaker 2: fun as we've made of California and Newsom, maybe one
50:36
Speaker 2: or two of those issues would say somebody like Newsom embrace.
50:42
Speaker 2: She's out there on all of them. Can you imagine
50:47
Speaker 2: Wisconsin if we try to impose this, How do businesses
50:51
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin survive if you have to go to a
50:54
Speaker 2: thirty two hour workwek and you can't cut pay. Even
51:00
Speaker 2: mainstream Democrats have been hesitant to say that they want
51:02
Speaker 2: to abolish ice. The opposition to ice was one of
51:07
Speaker 2: the things that sunk commonly Harris in her campaign. But again,
51:10
Speaker 2: as the story's putting on, Hang is out there and
51:12
Speaker 2: all of them back to the story. President Trump and
51:15
Speaker 2: other Republicans have branded the DSA as quote communism and
51:19
Speaker 2: are using the policy positions of its members as a
51:22
Speaker 2: line of attack against all Democrats. Asked how she would
51:25
Speaker 2: pay for the additional benefits she has suggested she is suggesting,
51:29
Speaker 2: Hang said she would push for higher taxes on the
51:32
Speaker 2: wealthiest and elimination of business tax credits. Let me interject,
51:35
Speaker 2: so she wants to get rid of all business tax credits.
51:39
Speaker 2: This will drive huge numbers of Wisconsin businesses into unprofitability. Furthermore,
51:45
Speaker 2: all of these businesses are simply going to say, I'm
51:47
Speaker 2: going to move to a state where we can deduct
51:49
Speaker 2: typical business expenses. So the one thing that you can't
51:53
Speaker 2: say about Hang is that she's talking all moderate when
51:57
Speaker 2: she's radical. These are all of her positions of the story.
52:02
Speaker 2: The money is there, she said in an interview, it's
52:04
Speaker 2: how we've allocated and who is not required to pay.
52:09
Speaker 2: The story then goes on David Aksrod, a Democratic commentator
52:13
Speaker 2: who worked as a top strategist on Barack Obama's presidential
52:16
Speaker 2: campaign put it this way on social media late last week,
52:19
Speaker 2: the dem race for governor Wisconsin feels like a slow
52:23
Speaker 2: rolling car heading for a cliff. Hang dismissed concerns about
52:27
Speaker 2: her established electability, pointing to an anti establishment mood in
52:31
Speaker 2: what she said is her ability to attract a spectrum
52:34
Speaker 2: voters drawn to her push to make life more affordable.
52:38
Speaker 2: The story goes on, the point of the story is
52:41
Speaker 2: Democrats are freaking that they're going to lose these elections
52:45
Speaker 2: if in their primaries they elect Marxist or to use
52:48
Speaker 2: the term that they're applying, democratic socialists. Yet here in Wisconsin,
52:56
Speaker 2: where is the Democrat's effort to stop haw All it
53:00
Speaker 2: is is force somebody out of the race. First they
53:03
Speaker 2: forced Crawley out of the race, they annointed Sarah Rodriguez.
53:06
Speaker 2: Then Sara Rodriguez imploded, so they forced Crawley back into
53:09
Speaker 2: the race, and they get Tony Evers to endorse him.
53:11
Speaker 2: That's what they're doing. They're doing that. What they are
53:14
Speaker 2: not doing is attacking Hong for her Marxism. They're saying
53:18
Speaker 2: Marxists can't win, but they're so terrified of taking on
53:22
Speaker 2: Marxist ideologically that they will not criticize the ideas. Now
53:27
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who will criticize the ideas. The Republicans
53:30
Speaker 2: will criticize them. If it's Hang that runs against Tom Tiffany,
53:34
Speaker 2: all of this radicalism of Hang is going to be
53:37
Speaker 2: thrown out there by Tiffany's campaign, and it's going to
53:39
Speaker 2: be put out there for people to decide. And if
53:41
Speaker 2: people in Wisconsin want to have a Marxist well we're
53:43
Speaker 2: going to be stuck with a Marxist and we're going
53:45
Speaker 2: to do this radical state of the United States. But
53:47
Speaker 2: at least the case will then be made. But if
53:52
Speaker 2: the Democrats want to stop this takeover of their party
53:57
Speaker 2: by the Socialists, they have to at some point stand
54:01
Speaker 2: up and argue to other Democrats that we don't believe
54:05
Speaker 2: in what these people believe in. The Democrats used to
54:15
Speaker 2: be the party of the blue collar Francesco Hung wants
54:19
Speaker 2: to chase all the companies that provide blue collar jobs
54:22
Speaker 2: out of the state. The Democrats used to be the
54:26
Speaker 2: party that embraced responsibility. An increasing number of Democrats are
54:35
Speaker 2: part of a party that wants to get their kids
54:37
Speaker 2: into better schools, which is why they a support all
54:39
Speaker 2: this funding for public schools would be push for the
54:42
Speaker 2: alternative to send kids to better private schools if they
54:45
Speaker 2: have the chance. They're Democrats who don't agree with her
54:48
Speaker 2: on getting rid of the voucher program. They're Democrats that
54:51
Speaker 2: don't agree with her on mandating the thirty two hour
54:54
Speaker 2: work with There are Democrats who don't think that all
54:56
Speaker 2: the buses should be free. Can you imagine how much
54:59
Speaker 2: we're going to have to pay p property taxes if
55:01
Speaker 2: we make mass transit free? She came right out of
55:05
Speaker 2: the debate. They all said, the surplus that the state have,
55:07
Speaker 2: we're not going to do any of it with tax
55:08
Speaker 2: or they forget it's going to spend it all healthcare
55:11
Speaker 2: and schools, healthcare and schools, healthcare and schools. So my
55:15
Speaker 2: point to these other Democrats is, if you're so threatened
55:18
Speaker 2: by her, why aren't you fighting and telling your voters
55:22
Speaker 2: that these ideas are toxic and awful. If they don't
55:28
Speaker 2: attack her, she's going to win. So they're sitting there
55:32
Speaker 2: wringing their hands, acting as though they can't do anything
55:34
Speaker 2: about it when they're not doing anything about it. One
55:37
Speaker 2: other point on this, if you ask me which of
55:39
Speaker 2: the five candidates did worse during the debate. It was Crowley,
55:44
Speaker 2: he's the guy that's annointed. And again it's one debate.
55:47
Speaker 2: It wasn't even televised statewide and all the channels in Milwaukee,
55:51
Speaker 2: Channel twelve was the one that did it, so it
55:53
Speaker 2: was on there, so through on the internet. I guessing
55:55
Speaker 2: that the vast majority of people are going to vote
55:57
Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary probably didn't even pay any attention
56:00
Speaker 2: to it. So the debate in and of itself is
56:03
Speaker 2: probably not going to be something that would have moved
56:04
Speaker 2: the needle. However, if there had been this viral moment,
56:09
Speaker 2: if say Brennan or Crowley or even Barnes turned to
56:15
Speaker 2: her and said, the things that you believe in are
56:17
Speaker 2: the same thing communists believe in. I'm a Democrat, I'm
56:21
Speaker 2: not a communist, that would have been the moment and
56:24
Speaker 2: it would have been seen by everybody in the mart
56:26
Speaker 2: Why did any of them do it? They're all chicken
56:28
Speaker 2: to do it. So they sit there and they wring
56:31
Speaker 2: their hands. We're going to lose the Tiffany, We're going
56:32
Speaker 2: to lose to the Republicans. These positions are too extreme
56:35
Speaker 2: for a state like Wisconsin. But when you've got the
56:37
Speaker 2: actual extremists, and you've got the actual Marxist sitting right there.
56:41
Speaker 2: They are terrified of saying anything about it, and they've
56:45
Speaker 2: been reluctant to even address it in their advertising. Instead,
56:48
Speaker 2: they keep saying, well, she's not that very electable without
56:52
Speaker 2: coming out and killing anybody. Why having these views is
56:55
Speaker 2: not electable and why the views are wrong. We have
57:04
Speaker 2: a remarkable story developing today in Milwaukee. This was reported
57:08
Speaker 2: yesterday by JS online in an actual example of journalism
57:15
Speaker 2: and from the mainstream media, those are rarer and rarer.
57:18
Speaker 2: This is reported by John Deedrick and David Clary Milwaukee
57:21
Speaker 2: Journal Central JAS online. I'll quote the lead paragraphs here.
57:24
Speaker 2: A ninety nine year old woman who was beaten at
57:27
Speaker 2: her Milwaukee home by a stranger waited more than three
57:30
Speaker 2: hours for police and paramedics to arrive, according to records
57:33
Speaker 2: obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Centinel. Now I'll interject clearly
57:37
Speaker 2: this was leaked to them, which I'm not criticizing. I'm
57:43
Speaker 2: just saying, how else would they have found out about this?
57:45
Speaker 2: Somebody internally let them know. The delayed response to her
57:50
Speaker 2: call in the early morning of July twenty seventh, is
57:54
Speaker 2: under investigation by city officials. Now, for clarification, I'm doing
57:59
Speaker 2: this program on July twenty nine, so this would have
58:01
Speaker 2: been two days ago as the story is written. During
58:09
Speaker 2: the attack, the woman activated a personal medical alert system.
58:12
Speaker 2: You know what those things are a lot of older
58:13
Speaker 2: people who have health conditions. There's various brands for them,
58:16
Speaker 2: but they have these little buttons, these things, these call
58:18
Speaker 2: buttons that they can press if they fall in or
58:21
Speaker 2: they have a heart attack or something like that's going on.
58:23
Speaker 2: Somebody had busted into her house and was attacking her,
58:26
Speaker 2: and she activated her button. Now, that activated button goes
58:29
Speaker 2: to whatever company that she's a subscriber to, and their
58:33
Speaker 2: alert center gets this and they contact the local nine
58:36
Speaker 2: one one center, which is what happened during the attack
58:38
Speaker 2: of woman activated a personal medical alert system and the
58:41
Speaker 2: alert company called Milwaukee's nine one one center shortly after
58:44
Speaker 2: five am, according to dispatch records, but medical responders and
58:47
Speaker 2: police were not sent to her South Side home until
58:49
Speaker 2: just before eight am, after the woman called nine one
58:53
Speaker 2: one herself a second time. Now, I'll give you the
58:56
Speaker 2: background so we don't have to wade through it in
58:58
Speaker 2: the story. In the scene, dy of Milwaukee there's a
59:01
Speaker 2: separate city agency that runs the dispatch So if you
59:07
Speaker 2: call nine one one in Milwaukee, the call is routed
59:10
Speaker 2: through an entity called the Department of Emergency Communications. The
59:14
Speaker 2: people answering these calls are not police officers, they're not firefighters,
59:18
Speaker 2: and they don't work for the police. They don't work
59:19
Speaker 2: for the fire They work for this separate agency. So,
59:23
Speaker 2: as you might guess, there's a lot of people pointing
59:26
Speaker 2: fingers in opposite directions that this isn't my fault. So
59:29
Speaker 2: the agency that runs the dispatch center is there, is
59:32
Speaker 2: the Department of Emergency Communications. Now there are two stories
59:36
Speaker 2: that js online produced yesterday, and after they did the
59:39
Speaker 2: first one, people started changing their tune. In the updated story,
59:44
Speaker 2: Tony Bueno again he's the head of the out of
59:47
Speaker 2: the government body that runs the dispatch center. We take
59:49
Speaker 2: this kind of incident seriously, said Tony Bueno. If there
59:52
Speaker 2: are problems, we're going to correct them immediately. Now I
59:55
Speaker 2: would describe that initial response as him saying, what's the
59:59
Speaker 2: big deal? If there are problems. She's a ninety nine
1:00:03
Speaker 2: year old woman. Somebody busts into her house. She has
1:00:06
Speaker 2: the presence of mind to hit her medical alert button.
1:00:08
Speaker 2: The medical alert company gets ahold of them, contacts the
1:00:11
Speaker 2: police and says that this is going on, and the
1:00:13
Speaker 2: guy who runs the dispatch center says, if there are problems,
1:00:18
Speaker 2: the city is investigating the handling of the initial call,
1:00:20
Speaker 2: which was given on a medium level priority. So, in
1:00:23
Speaker 2: other words, the story will explain. In Milwaukee police, when
1:00:28
Speaker 2: they get a call, they have a number system to
1:00:30
Speaker 2: rate the need for immediate response zero to seven. I
1:00:35
Speaker 2: wish there was a standard, by the way, as if
1:00:37
Speaker 2: seven was the worst and one was the lowest or
1:00:40
Speaker 2: whatever I mean. I'm forever confused about the hurricane thing.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: Every year the hurricanes come around, and after remember of
1:00:45
Speaker 2: category one is the worst of category five is the worst?
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Five is the worst? Well, it works the opposite of Milwaukee.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: Seven would be the type of call that would require
1:00:55
Speaker 2: that's the lowest standard of seriousness. Zero would be explosion, mass, murder, etc.
1:01:03
Speaker 2: So zero to seven zero would be the highest priority,
1:01:06
Speaker 2: seven the lowest. They provided it A two. A two
1:01:10
Speaker 2: would mean that there doesn't need to make an immediate response,
1:01:13
Speaker 2: but it is a prioritized response. The second call, which
1:01:19
Speaker 2: came over two hours after the initial nine woman call,
1:01:23
Speaker 2: was handled appropriately with responders dispatched immediately, Bueno said. Bueno
1:01:27
Speaker 2: declined to say whether the first call was handled appropriately,
1:01:30
Speaker 2: saying he wanted to wait until the department's internal investigation
1:01:32
Speaker 2: is completed. He said the employee has not been placed
1:01:35
Speaker 2: on leave and no action would be taken until the
1:01:37
Speaker 2: investigation is finished. Milwaukee police arrested a twenty two year
1:01:40
Speaker 2: old man in the attack, which the department described as
1:01:43
Speaker 2: a home invasion, and planned to refer charges to prosecutor.
1:01:45
Speaker 2: As a police spokesperson said the woman who was taken
1:01:47
Speaker 2: a hospital with non fatal injuries in the first call
1:01:50
Speaker 2: around five to fifteen am, the Medical Alert company described
1:01:52
Speaker 2: the incidents quote, sounds like a physical fight going on
1:01:57
Speaker 2: the record show. So the Medical Alert persons calling the police,
1:02:02
Speaker 2: calling the dispatch center and saying we're hearing this and
1:02:06
Speaker 2: it sounds like that there's a physical fight. That call
1:02:12
Speaker 2: was categorized as a welfare check and given a level
1:02:15
Speaker 2: I said earlier, level two, level three priority. Typically a
1:02:20
Speaker 2: battery would be classified as a level two, requiring a
1:02:23
Speaker 2: more urgent response. Now, one of the things that I'm
1:02:26
Speaker 2: going to want to hear is the audio of this.
1:02:29
Speaker 2: How clear was the Medical Alert representative that this was
1:02:33
Speaker 2: an elderly person that may be involved in a physical
1:02:37
Speaker 2: something physical is happening here, Were they clear about it?
1:02:41
Speaker 2: If they were, the dispatcher's clearly made a terrible error. Now,
1:02:47
Speaker 2: I think being a dispatcher is an incredibly difficult job.
1:02:50
Speaker 2: I mean, when you hear these high speed chase calls
1:02:52
Speaker 2: and so on, the dispatcher's got to process all this
1:02:54
Speaker 2: information and to handle this after remaining calm. Often somebody's
1:02:57
Speaker 2: calling up reporting somebody's broken into their home or this,
1:03:00
Speaker 2: that and the other thing, and they're very, very calm.
1:03:01
Speaker 2: The person is frantic. They get the information out of them.
1:03:04
Speaker 2: In most cases, dispatchers do an outstanding job. The only
1:03:06
Speaker 2: time you ever hear about the dispatches is when there's
1:03:09
Speaker 2: a screw up like this continuing in Milwaukee. None one
1:03:12
Speaker 2: calls it, categorized by different priorities so on. Here's a
1:03:15
Speaker 2: timeline base of events based on the dispatch records. At
1:03:18
Speaker 2: five eighteen am, the medical alert representative told nine one
1:03:21
Speaker 2: one that he believes he heard a man say to
1:03:23
Speaker 2: a female that he was going to physically harm her.
1:03:26
Speaker 2: The call is upgraded to a threat and the record
1:03:29
Speaker 2: note that the suspect is on the scene. Now again,
1:03:32
Speaker 2: this is the first call at five eighteen. Four minutes later,
1:03:37
Speaker 2: a caller joined the call in and joined the call
1:03:42
Speaker 2: in and male subject heard making threats to physically assault
1:03:45
Speaker 2: in the elderly suspect. Bueno told The Journal Sentinel that
1:03:49
Speaker 2: a joined call means either the alert company provided a
1:03:52
Speaker 2: recording of their call with the woman or connected the
1:03:55
Speaker 2: calls in real time. The dispatch records showed that no
1:03:58
Speaker 2: action was taken at the point. So four minutes later
1:04:02
Speaker 2: they get this further and you can hear the guy
1:04:05
Speaker 2: saying I'm going to attack you to the woman. The
1:04:08
Speaker 2: dispatch center then had this and evidently hurd it, and
1:04:11
Speaker 2: again nothing happened. There are no further updates until the
1:04:15
Speaker 2: woman herself calls at seven to fifty one am. Now,
1:04:18
Speaker 2: let me interject, even if there was a low priority
1:04:21
Speaker 2: given to this, clearly nobody between the dispatch center or
1:04:25
Speaker 2: police supervisors or whatever did any kind of follow up
1:04:28
Speaker 2: on what was going on with this thing that was
1:04:30
Speaker 2: called in two and a half hours ago. So now
1:04:32
Speaker 2: it's seven fifty one, and imagine this, the woman's ninety
1:04:35
Speaker 2: nine ten to eight, nearly three hours, two and a
1:04:39
Speaker 2: half laters after the original call, she calls nine one
1:04:42
Speaker 2: one herself and tells the operator she was physically attacked
1:04:46
Speaker 2: and kicked and the suspect had left her. Call was
1:04:49
Speaker 2: then categorized as a Priority two that's the third highest
1:04:52
Speaker 2: level of call and requires an immediate dispatch, and the
1:04:54
Speaker 2: dispatcher notes it states that a woman was on the
1:04:57
Speaker 2: floor with quotes serious bleeding and having trouble breathing. The
1:05:00
Speaker 2: woman told the dispatcher where she hides her house keys
1:05:03
Speaker 2: the officers at paramedics can enter. So ninety nine year
1:05:06
Speaker 2: old who's living at home, she's I think, explaining all
1:05:09
Speaker 2: this pretty clearly. The Milwaukee Fire Department, which provides medical care,
1:05:13
Speaker 2: arrives at seven fifty seven, So the fire department got
1:05:15
Speaker 2: there six minutes after this most recent call and began
1:05:19
Speaker 2: staging a few houses away, waiting for police to arrive,
1:05:22
Speaker 2: and police to arrive first and secure the scene. And
1:05:25
Speaker 2: by the way, this is standard if there was a
1:05:28
Speaker 2: call that there was some sort of an attack. When
1:05:30
Speaker 2: the firefighter paramedics show up, they don't enter the house
1:05:33
Speaker 2: until the cop gets there. Because the firefighter paramedics don't
1:05:36
Speaker 2: have guns. We don't know if the attacker is still
1:05:38
Speaker 2: in the house and the attacker was gone. But now
1:05:40
Speaker 2: they're sitting there because they get there first. The cops
1:05:42
Speaker 2: still aren't there. In the meantime, the woman now is
1:05:44
Speaker 2: pushing on three hours of bleeding and being beaten up.
1:05:49
Speaker 2: At eight oh two am, the woman told the dispatcher
1:05:51
Speaker 2: that she cannot hold the phone anymore. Milwaukee police arrived
1:05:55
Speaker 2: at eight twenty three am, So even after the second call,
1:05:59
Speaker 2: it took them Awaylwaukee cops thirty two damn minutes to
1:06:02
Speaker 2: get there. No, this is the original call came in
1:06:09
Speaker 2: at five am. The time that Milwaukee police are really
1:06:13
Speaker 2: active is between say, seven at night and three in
1:06:16
Speaker 2: the morning. There's zillions of calls in. It starts to
1:06:19
Speaker 2: quiet down close at the dawn, and now we're in
1:06:21
Speaker 2: rush hour where everybody's getting up. There's traffic at all
1:06:23
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But it's not a particularly high crime
1:06:26
Speaker 2: time of day. Why did it take the cops thirty
1:06:29
Speaker 2: minutes to get somebody's butt over there? Again, I don't know,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: other than to point out, as I do all the time,
1:06:34
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Police Department is grotesquely understaffed. It has been
1:06:38
Speaker 2: for decades. There are nowhere near enough sworn officers and
1:06:42
Speaker 2: patrol cars out there in the street. Response time is
1:06:45
Speaker 2: often slow for serious things, but even by this standard,
1:06:49
Speaker 2: this seems to be unusually slow. Now that this is
1:06:52
Speaker 2: a second call, was every other squad occupied? My guess
1:06:57
Speaker 2: is evidently back to the story. At eight thirty three am,
1:07:02
Speaker 2: the woman was taken by ambulance to a hospital. The
1:07:05
Speaker 2: Milwaukee City Department of Emergency Communications and charge of that
1:07:08
Speaker 2: on calls the department as a civilian staff. The delayed
1:07:10
Speaker 2: response to the woman has led to the shifting of
1:07:12
Speaker 2: blameing of the departments. The police department has placed the
1:07:15
Speaker 2: responsibility with the dispatchers, noting that police responded once they
1:07:19
Speaker 2: received the information from dispatch. Yeah, thirty two minutes later. Wait,
1:07:22
Speaker 2: the head of the nine one sentter said police staff
1:07:24
Speaker 2: are able to see all incoming calls. So the guy
1:07:27
Speaker 2: who runs the dispatch department, he said, that's true. We
1:07:30
Speaker 2: answered the call, but the police can see every incoming call.
1:07:34
Speaker 2: They had an awareness of this thing as well. Based
1:07:38
Speaker 2: on information available July twenty seventh, it was not clear
1:07:41
Speaker 2: if Milwaukee police supervisors or officers saw the initial call
1:07:44
Speaker 2: classified as a welfare check, or if anyone was even
1:07:47
Speaker 2: available to respond. If they did. Story goes on. Several
1:07:51
Speaker 2: hours later, the story was updated on js online, and
1:07:55
Speaker 2: you'll hear now that the tone of the story starts
1:07:57
Speaker 2: to change. Once sees bureaucrats sitting on there at city Hall,
1:08:00
Speaker 2: and I'll see that this thing is getting some covered.
1:08:03
Speaker 2: The head of Milwaukee's nine one one call center said
1:08:05
Speaker 2: there were obvious mistakes. Now, remember a few hours earlier,
1:08:08
Speaker 2: this guy Bueno, he said, I'm not going to say
1:08:11
Speaker 2: there are any mistakes until I see the investigation. Now
1:08:13
Speaker 2: the thing is out in print. My guess is some
1:08:15
Speaker 2: members of the city council are going ballistic. And now
1:08:18
Speaker 2: Bueno is getting off of his lethargic ass and said, oh,
1:08:21
Speaker 2: it's obvious there were mistakes. If it was obvious, why
1:08:24
Speaker 2: didn't you say they were obvious? A few hours ago,
1:08:26
Speaker 2: said there were obvious mistakes made in the late response
1:08:29
Speaker 2: to a ninety nine year old beating victim, when it
1:08:31
Speaker 2: took more than three hours to send Milwaukee police and
1:08:32
Speaker 2: fire personnel. Tony Buanno, director of the city's Department of
1:08:35
Speaker 2: Emergency Communications, said he will not fully address what we're
1:08:38
Speaker 2: wrong until the investigation is done, likely later this week,
1:08:41
Speaker 2: but an interview on July twenty eighth, that would have
1:08:43
Speaker 2: been yesterday. He said dispatchers have since been reminded they
1:08:47
Speaker 2: should err on the side of sending officers in paramedics.
1:08:50
Speaker 2: Other changes are coming, but he did not give specifics. Well,
1:08:53
Speaker 2: of course you're going to tell them error on the
1:08:55
Speaker 2: side of sending somebody over there. But again, I haven't
1:08:59
Speaker 2: heard the audio yet. What the description is is that
1:09:03
Speaker 2: the medical Alert person got on there and said it
1:09:06
Speaker 2: sounds like it's an attack going on, and then in
1:09:09
Speaker 2: the separate thing, they either hooked up and patched in
1:09:11
Speaker 2: the original call or they added that there's a male
1:09:15
Speaker 2: voice that's the attacker that's heard on the call. I
1:09:18
Speaker 2: am assuming that the age of the victim ninety nine
1:09:22
Speaker 2: was communicated and they were at the very least elderly.
1:09:25
Speaker 2: It would certainly sound unless the Medical Alert company person
1:09:29
Speaker 2: was not communicating well, that they were communicating enough information
1:09:32
Speaker 2: that unless the dispatcher has a brick instead of a
1:09:35
Speaker 2: head up there, that they would understand. It sounds like
1:09:37
Speaker 2: somebody broke into an old lady's house. It has beat
1:09:39
Speaker 2: the hell out of her, which is the sort of
1:09:41
Speaker 2: thing that you would think would result in somebody sending
1:09:44
Speaker 2: a cop way, don't know there was sufficient information provided
1:09:50
Speaker 2: that we should have handled it differently, said Bueno, who
1:09:52
Speaker 2: added if he personally had been the dispatcher, it would
1:09:55
Speaker 2: have been made a high priority call, which should result
1:09:57
Speaker 2: in police responds minuts. Now, again, some dispatcher clearly here
1:10:01
Speaker 2: screwed up before we overjudge that person. As I said,
1:10:06
Speaker 2: these jobs are brutally hard. And also understand that in
1:10:11
Speaker 2: Milwaukee we have every Tom Dick an idiot calling nine
1:10:15
Speaker 2: one one over everything. They're called with crap all the time.
1:10:20
Speaker 2: I don't remember what the situation was. I think I've
1:10:22
Speaker 2: witnessed the wreck or something near my home, like eight
1:10:27
Speaker 2: or nine years ago in Milwaukee. Yeah, it was a crash.
1:10:29
Speaker 2: There was two somebody ran a stop sign and there
1:10:31
Speaker 2: was a t bone. I called nine on one. It
1:10:33
Speaker 2: was like fourteen rings before it was answered. And again
1:10:36
Speaker 2: that's nobody's fault other than the fact that zillion people
1:10:38
Speaker 2: are calling nine one one over every damn thing in
1:10:40
Speaker 2: the world. So these dispatchers are hearing all sorts of things,
1:10:43
Speaker 2: and have all sorts of stuff going on, and have
1:10:45
Speaker 2: lots of stuff that they have to do. And this
1:10:47
Speaker 2: might have been the greatest dispatcher in the world. Now
1:10:50
Speaker 2: they're working graveyard shift. I don't know if that. I
1:10:53
Speaker 2: don't know if the better people get the better shifts. Nonetheless,
1:10:59
Speaker 2: unless I know warm about the person's record, I'm not
1:11:01
Speaker 2: going to say out and note that person should be fired.
1:11:03
Speaker 2: But it clearly seems to me, based on what we
1:11:05
Speaker 2: have here, that this is a total screw up, and
1:11:07
Speaker 2: there didn't seem to be anybody was paying attention, was
1:11:10
Speaker 2: aware that this was going on for hours continuing. Bueno
1:11:14
Speaker 2: declined to say if any personnel actions have or will
1:11:17
Speaker 2: be taken. The Department of munit Urgency Communications was former
1:11:20
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five putting police and Fire Dispatch set, pulling
1:11:25
Speaker 2: police and fire dispatch from each of the departments and
1:11:28
Speaker 2: putting them under a standard standalong City agency Alderman Scott Spiker,
1:11:32
Speaker 2: who represents the era in Milwaukee's South Side where the
1:11:36
Speaker 2: attack occurred and also serves as chairman of the Council's
1:11:38
Speaker 2: Public Safety and Health Committee, which oversees emergency services, called
1:11:42
Speaker 2: the slow response to the attack shocking the poor woman
1:11:45
Speaker 2: who was beaten, and then the response being that slow
1:11:48
Speaker 2: due to an error getting the information about the severity
1:11:51
Speaker 2: of it. That was just appalling. Mayor Cavalier Johnson declined
1:11:55
Speaker 2: to comment until the review was complete. He often declines
1:11:59
Speaker 2: to comment on things like this. All right, now, I
1:12:05
Speaker 2: have this story for you. This is one of these
1:12:10
Speaker 2: stories that I find that in and of itself you
1:12:12
Speaker 2: wouldn't think is all that newsworthy. But it struck a
1:12:16
Speaker 2: nerve with me. It has to do with some bum
1:12:19
Speaker 2: We're not supposed to use that term anymore, but boy,
1:12:21
Speaker 2: oh boy, if it's ever applicable, it's this guy, forty
1:12:25
Speaker 2: year old homeless man. He was wandering around in Brookfield
1:12:30
Speaker 2: on Lisbon Road. Lisbon Road is one of those streets
1:12:35
Speaker 2: that angles its way out of Milwaukee County and into
1:12:39
Speaker 2: the northern portion of Brookfield. In if you can stay
1:12:42
Speaker 2: on it long enough, I think you get into monominee balls. Anyway,
1:12:45
Speaker 2: four year old homeless guy. Let me quote from the
1:12:50
Speaker 2: report by Karen Pularski and the Waukashaw Freeman. Marzelle R.
1:12:54
Speaker 2: Smith has been charged in Waukeshaw County Circuit Court with
1:12:57
Speaker 2: one felony count a bribery of a public official and
1:13:00
Speaker 2: three misdemeanor counts of theft a City of Brookfield police
1:13:03
Speaker 2: officer responded Wednesday, that's Wednesday of last week to a
1:13:08
Speaker 2: business on Lisbon Road after the owner reported seeing a
1:13:11
Speaker 2: homeless man climb into a vehicle in the parking lot.
1:13:14
Speaker 2: The officer allegedly saw Smith climbing out of the passenger
1:13:18
Speaker 2: side of the vehicle. Police had responded to a presspassing
1:13:21
Speaker 2: complaint involving Smith earlier that day. The complaint said, so,
1:13:25
Speaker 2: this guy's hanging around in the parking lot of this business,
1:13:27
Speaker 2: and they called the cops earlier again, homeless bums wandering
1:13:31
Speaker 2: around even in Milwaukee. What it's talking about priorities of response,
1:13:35
Speaker 2: It's probably not the highest priority thing. But now he's
1:13:38
Speaker 2: getting in a car, so they called the cops again,
1:13:40
Speaker 2: and now somebody said oh. When asked why he was
1:13:43
Speaker 2: inside the vehicle, Smith allegedly claimed it belonged to his uncle,
1:13:48
Speaker 2: but refused to identify him. Okay, so now you got
1:13:51
Speaker 2: the homeless bumb and he's trying to think of the fly. Oh,
1:13:53
Speaker 2: this is my uncle's car. What's your uncle's name? He's
1:13:56
Speaker 2: not answered. The officer observes Smith carrying a bundle of cash,
1:14:03
Speaker 2: jewelry and a clear plastic bag, an orange box and
1:14:07
Speaker 2: a pouch containing loose coins. The complaint said, so guy's
1:14:11
Speaker 2: got a bag and the stuff that he swiped under
1:14:13
Speaker 2: the cary's carrying around of this bag. As Smith placed
1:14:16
Speaker 2: the cash on the hood of the vehicle at the
1:14:17
Speaker 2: officer's request, he allegedly insisted the money belonging to him.
1:14:21
Speaker 2: The officer noted that Smith that this officer is the
1:14:24
Speaker 2: one that had responded earlier to the complaint that he
1:14:26
Speaker 2: was trespassing in the area, said notice, he didn't have
1:14:29
Speaker 2: that bag before. So somehow between the first call and now,
1:14:33
Speaker 2: Smith has this bag that he's carrying around that's got
1:14:36
Speaker 2: all this money and the jewel and everything else in it.
1:14:39
Speaker 2: The officer noted that Smith had no money during the
1:14:43
Speaker 2: earlier encounter. That day, police alicer recovered a pocket knife
1:14:46
Speaker 2: from Smith's pocket. Smith allegedly admitted taking loose coins in
1:14:50
Speaker 2: two vaping devices from the vehicle and told the officer
1:14:53
Speaker 2: had he believed he had the right to enter it
1:14:55
Speaker 2: because the parking lot was empty. According to the complaint,
1:14:59
Speaker 2: investigators did determined the cash total one hundred and twenty
1:15:02
Speaker 2: nine dollars. The vehicle's owner told police she had left cash,
1:15:06
Speaker 2: a pocket knife and used vaping devices. It was amazing
1:15:13
Speaker 2: that fifteen years ago we didn't know what the hell
1:15:15
Speaker 2: of vaping devices. When did they start coming out? Is
1:15:17
Speaker 2: it fifteen years ago? Turn to fifteen fifteen years ago,
1:15:21
Speaker 2: like we didn't know what they are. I swear, I
1:15:23
Speaker 2: don't see anybody smoking anymore. I mean almost anywhere. When
1:15:27
Speaker 2: do you see anybody smoke? College coaches, college kids, they
1:15:32
Speaker 2: probably gave up vaping so started smoking. I mean, I
1:15:36
Speaker 2: just I hardly ever. You know, we're at a radio
1:15:39
Speaker 2: station and nobody works here anymore, but that's your They
1:15:41
Speaker 2: go stand outside the door and smoke their cigarettes. I
1:15:44
Speaker 2: think there's one guy that still does that outside my
1:15:46
Speaker 2: door because I hear the door opening and closing all
1:15:48
Speaker 2: the time. But you know, anyway, keep these vape deep
1:15:51
Speaker 2: put vaping all over the place. So so they woman
1:15:56
Speaker 2: who had the car, She left one hundred and twenty
1:15:58
Speaker 2: nine dollars in cash, the other stuff, and the vaping
1:16:01
Speaker 2: device in the unliked vehicle. According to the complaint, Smith
1:16:04
Speaker 2: that's the forty year old guy. The bomb then allegedly
1:16:07
Speaker 2: offered to split the money with the officer. Now I'm
1:16:11
Speaker 2: thinking you're the bomb. You've kind of been slow on
1:16:16
Speaker 2: your feet. And come up with any excuses saying, hey,
1:16:19
Speaker 2: you want to split it. You gotta admit there are
1:16:22
Speaker 2: police officers in the United States that would probably split
1:16:25
Speaker 2: the money and say, Okay, we're gonna split it. Except
1:16:28
Speaker 2: this is out of business. The owner has already called
1:16:30
Speaker 2: a couple of times, the business that people are probably
1:16:33
Speaker 2: outside taking a look at this. And the average Brookfield
1:16:36
Speaker 2: cop is not going to commit a felony for his
1:16:38
Speaker 2: half of one hundred and twenty nine dollars. I wouldn't
1:16:40
Speaker 2: think the average cop anywhere would do that anyway. He said, hey,
1:16:43
Speaker 2: do you want to split it? He said, if we
1:16:45
Speaker 2: split the money, will you let me go. When the
1:16:47
Speaker 2: officer asked whether he was attempting to bribe him, Smith
1:16:49
Speaker 2: allegedly replied, yes, okay, and repeatedly asked how much money
1:16:54
Speaker 2: it would take for the officer to release him. Now
1:16:57
Speaker 2: he's only got one hundred and twenty nine. He started
1:16:59
Speaker 2: with half, which is sixty four to fifty. What is
1:17:01
Speaker 2: he thinking If I go up to eighty five or ninety,
1:17:03
Speaker 2: the CoP's gonna let me go. After he was taken
1:17:07
Speaker 2: into custody, Smith allegedly admitted to taking the money from
1:17:10
Speaker 2: another vehicle, telling offices. Okay, I took the money from
1:17:13
Speaker 2: another vehicle, but it was unlocked and there was no
1:17:15
Speaker 2: one there. So this is his excuse. I'm in the
1:17:19
Speaker 2: car there, he's probably he probably checked every car in
1:17:22
Speaker 2: the thing. And you know, I'm in Milwaukee. I see
1:17:24
Speaker 2: these people trying to get into cars all the time.
1:17:26
Speaker 2: They pull the handle, pull the handle, and pull the
1:17:28
Speaker 2: handle and pull the handle, and you know what they're doing.
1:17:30
Speaker 2: And it's not even something that you can call the
1:17:32
Speaker 2: cops over. We've got a woman being beaten half to
1:17:34
Speaker 2: death and she doesn't get it for three hours. If
1:17:37
Speaker 2: I say I see somebody trying to open a car
1:17:38
Speaker 2: door that isn't here's I think you're gonna go a
1:17:40
Speaker 2: response to twenty fifty nine. Anyway, he opens these doors
1:17:45
Speaker 2: and one of them opens, and he gets this stuff
1:17:47
Speaker 2: and he steals in and he says, well, look, the
1:17:49
Speaker 2: car wasn't locked. So in the end, that's where he's
1:17:52
Speaker 2: gonna fall. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't entirely
1:18:01
Speaker 2: disagree with this guy. I cannot imagine going into one.
1:18:09
Speaker 2: Who are these people who don't lock their cars? My producer,
1:18:13
Speaker 2: my former producer who lived in Cedarburgh but always Wait,
1:18:15
Speaker 2: don't lock our car. Wait, don't lock our goers. He
1:18:17
Speaker 2: doesn't That doesn't live in Cedarburg. He lives in Cedarburg.
1:18:19
Speaker 2: He lives way out in like the country. This is
1:18:20
Speaker 2: probably nobody who's ever even in his driveway. Okay, I
1:18:23
Speaker 2: get that. This is in Lisbon Road in Brookfield. He's
1:18:26
Speaker 2: in front of a business. Unless this car is like
1:18:29
Speaker 2: fifty years old. To lock the car door, you put
1:18:31
Speaker 2: you make one little punch on your fob. Do people
1:18:35
Speaker 2: still have car keys? When did the fobs come in?
1:18:38
Speaker 2: You have a car key? It's an old car. See
1:18:42
Speaker 2: when did When did car keys go out and fobs
1:18:44
Speaker 2: come in? Your father in law has a twenty one
1:18:52
Speaker 2: camera and no, that might be that might be one
1:18:55
Speaker 2: where it works with a key or a fobs. Oh
1:19:00
Speaker 2: he wanted so he got like the most base carry
1:19:03
Speaker 2: that you can get. I remember back when I was
1:19:05
Speaker 2: started to buy cars, there were a lot of them
1:19:07
Speaker 2: that didn't have I mean, never mind air conditioning, that
1:19:09
Speaker 2: didn't have radios. Well, I was gonna be going in
1:19:12
Speaker 2: the radio. I had to have a radio. But I
1:19:13
Speaker 2: mean back then the base model was really the base model.
1:19:18
Speaker 2: So he got one, and it's so much of a
1:19:20
Speaker 2: are you telling me that he has to turn the
1:19:21
Speaker 2: crank for the windows to go up? There are that
1:19:25
Speaker 2: was another one the power windows, saying that that was
1:19:28
Speaker 2: something that would like differentiate between a luxury car. Okay,
1:19:32
Speaker 2: so maybe she's got this could be as soon as
1:19:34
Speaker 2: as recent as a twenty one camera if she bought
1:19:36
Speaker 2: the cheap o model. Even still, does he have to
1:19:45
Speaker 2: use the key to lock it? Or can he push
1:19:47
Speaker 2: the button and then close the door and it locks?
1:19:51
Speaker 2: So he's got the fib that will unlock and lock
1:19:54
Speaker 2: the door, but he still has to crank it to
1:19:56
Speaker 2: open it with the key, but the locking even the
1:20:00
Speaker 2: even with this though, he can lock it by pushing
1:20:02
Speaker 2: a button. So how old would her car have to
1:20:05
Speaker 2: be that you don't even think you have to put
1:20:06
Speaker 2: the key in the car and do something to lock
1:20:08
Speaker 2: the car. Yeah, Jason said he had a car in
1:20:12
Speaker 2: the mid nineties that had the fob. So I'm guessing
1:20:15
Speaker 2: she just This is my theory, and since we don't
1:20:18
Speaker 2: know who this woman is, I'm going to go out
1:20:20
Speaker 2: and theorize as much as I want. I have a
1:20:22
Speaker 2: theory as to why she didn't lock the car, and
1:20:25
Speaker 2: my theory is that she didn't lock the car because
1:20:26
Speaker 2: she's going back and forth all day to hit her fabe.
1:20:31
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Now, But remember earlier in the day,
1:20:34
Speaker 2: this guy was wandering the parking lot. And my guess
1:20:36
Speaker 2: is that this is if you know anything about homeless people,
1:20:39
Speaker 2: they have certain areas. There are parts of Milwaukee the
1:20:42
Speaker 2: same guy's been living in that lot for like thirteen months.
1:20:45
Speaker 2: That's where he puts That's where he puts a sleeping
1:20:47
Speaker 2: bag and puts this thing and something in better places
1:20:49
Speaker 2: than others. This is the area that the guy works.
1:20:51
Speaker 2: So if you got a guy that you know that
1:20:53
Speaker 2: works this area, how in the world do you not
1:20:54
Speaker 2: lock your car? And then she's leaving cash in her car. Wait,
1:21:00
Speaker 2: I mean you don't have a purse. Why is the
1:21:02
Speaker 2: catch like not in your purse? I mean a guy
1:21:04
Speaker 2: is a wallet. I mean I wouldn't leave cash in
1:21:06
Speaker 2: the car. It would be my wallet, which would be
1:21:08
Speaker 2: in my pocket that I would take into the thing. Now,
1:21:10
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the guy's justified and taken this. On
1:21:13
Speaker 2: the other hand, the woman is justified in losing her stuff.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: She's almost begging to have her stuff taken from her.
1:21:23
Speaker 2: Now I see this a lot when people are arrested.
1:21:26
Speaker 2: In this case, is the victim. I'm just again going
1:21:29
Speaker 2: to guess, and I'm theorizing here because I don't know
1:21:30
Speaker 2: who the victim is. When they went and they told
1:21:32
Speaker 2: the woman, Okay, this guy broke into your car, I
1:21:36
Speaker 2: know the first thing she asked, did he get my vape? Yes,
1:21:42
Speaker 2: he got your vape. I know why they're so addicted
1:21:45
Speaker 2: to vapes. These vapes have way more nicotine than a
1:21:48
Speaker 2: regular cigarette does. So these people that are hitting at
1:21:51
Speaker 2: my theory, by the way, on why Tucker Carlson went insaying,
1:21:54
Speaker 2: is I think he's oding on nicotine. I'm on, I've
1:21:57
Speaker 2: heard nobody else say this. You know, he sells these
1:22:00
Speaker 2: cootine pouches. He created this product that's a competitor, is zin.
1:22:03
Speaker 2: I think that's the big one, a competitor of this.
1:22:05
Speaker 2: And he's always got this pouch of nicotine in there,
1:22:08
Speaker 2: and he's on nicotine all day, And I think it's
1:22:12
Speaker 2: you know what nicotine does. It wires you up, You're
1:22:14
Speaker 2: all jumping around, and you develop this physical addiction for it.
1:22:17
Speaker 2: I think Tucker's mind is working nineteen miles a minute,
1:22:20
Speaker 2: and he's lost control of the thing, and his mind
1:22:22
Speaker 2: is like a car that's veering around on the road,
1:22:25
Speaker 2: Like you know, you see these cars if they know
1:22:27
Speaker 2: they start taking off and there's no driver rate in
1:22:28
Speaker 2: the curvet in all these directions. That's how his mind
1:22:31
Speaker 2: is working because he's simply fried out on nicotine. But
1:22:34
Speaker 2: the people that are hitting these vabes, and I think
1:22:36
Speaker 2: the pouches as well, there's so much nicotine in them
1:22:40
Speaker 2: that they not only addle them, the addiction is so
1:22:43
Speaker 2: much stronger than it was from the people that were
1:22:46
Speaker 2: just puffing on the cigarettes. And we know how hard
1:22:48
Speaker 2: it was for people to kick the habit with regard
1:22:49
Speaker 2: to the cigarettes. Imagine these people that are getting they're
1:22:53
Speaker 2: not getting the smoke or anything else in there. They're
1:22:55
Speaker 2: just guzzling on all of this nicotine. We're going to
1:23:01
Speaker 2: address the Tony Romo bodycam when we come back on
1:23:04
Speaker 2: the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling podcast.
1:23:10
Speaker 2: The Tony Romo bodycam is out now. On Monday's podcast,
1:23:16
Speaker 2: we briefly discussed the fact that Tony Romo, the CBS
1:23:20
Speaker 2: football analyst who's originally from Burlington, was nailed for drunk driving.
1:23:24
Speaker 2: Picked up on the Market Interchange in Milwaukee and was
1:23:29
Speaker 2: booked for OWI. He makes seventeen million dollars a year
1:23:34
Speaker 2: to do about I don't know, thirty maybe football games
1:23:37
Speaker 2: a year. I would say that's max A couple of
1:23:39
Speaker 2: preseason one or maybe two a weekend. He might do
1:23:42
Speaker 2: a Thanksgiving and the following Sunday, plus the playoffs in
1:23:45
Speaker 2: the postseason. It's a very big job. And I believe
1:23:51
Speaker 2: he's the highest paid analyst. I think he makes more
1:23:53
Speaker 2: than Troy Aikman, doesn't he seventy millions a lot. Yeah,
1:23:57
Speaker 2: and he's not somebody who's on the network like every
1:24:00
Speaker 2: other day like you see some of these people in ESPN,
1:24:03
Speaker 2: and so when he makes a lot of money. He
1:24:05
Speaker 2: was in West Bend competing in the Wisconsin State Amateur
1:24:09
Speaker 2: Tournament and was apparently driving back, as he said during
1:24:13
Speaker 2: the stop that we've now seen, heading apparently back to
1:24:16
Speaker 2: Burlington to see his grandparents. He lives in Texas. He
1:24:21
Speaker 2: was pulled over on the Market interchange, apparent for erratic driving.
1:24:25
Speaker 2: They saw him driving on and passing on the right,
1:24:28
Speaker 2: and apparently he went over the white line. That's what
1:24:30
Speaker 2: we can pick up on the body cam. As I
1:24:31
Speaker 2: said on Monday, the question and how bad this is
1:24:35
Speaker 2: going to be for Romo is going to be dependent
1:24:37
Speaker 2: on what is on the body cam, how drunk does
1:24:41
Speaker 2: he appear to be, and is he a jackass about it?
1:24:46
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen enough police body cams where a
1:24:50
Speaker 2: lot a lot of people make things so much worse
1:24:52
Speaker 2: for themselves by the way they behave they resist the
1:24:54
Speaker 2: rest that they act like jerks, or they're so drunk
1:24:58
Speaker 2: that they can't form a centen etcetera, etce, et cetera.
1:25:01
Speaker 2: All right, the body cam is out. I'm not going
1:25:06
Speaker 2: to play the audio of this here because one hundred
1:25:10
Speaker 2: and fifty million people are going to see this, which
1:25:11
Speaker 2: is one of the points that I want to make
1:25:13
Speaker 2: about it. In a moment. You can find this anywhere.
1:25:15
Speaker 2: It's everywhere on social media, it's everywhere on YouTube, just
1:25:18
Speaker 2: in whatever the search thing is. Just put in Tony
1:25:20
Speaker 2: Romo bodycam and you'll see it if you haven't already
1:25:22
Speaker 2: seen it. So there's no point in playing it here.
1:25:26
Speaker 2: I don't think he made it worse. I would describe
1:25:30
Speaker 2: him as mostly cooperative. The one point at which he
1:25:36
Speaker 2: was not cooperative was they asked him to get out
1:25:38
Speaker 2: of the car and he immediately he doesn't immediately get
1:25:41
Speaker 2: out of the car, and he keeps saying, I want
1:25:43
Speaker 2: to call my lawyer now that I say, keeps saying
1:25:47
Speaker 2: I maybe seventy five seconds before he got out of
1:25:51
Speaker 2: the car. It might even be less than that. So
1:25:53
Speaker 2: he's himin and hawn and wanted to call the lawyer
1:25:57
Speaker 2: before he gets out of the car. But that didn't
1:25:59
Speaker 2: go on law Beyond that, he was respectful, appeared to
1:26:05
Speaker 2: be somewhat drunk, did not appear to be bombed out
1:26:08
Speaker 2: of his mind. He wasn't like smashed, falling down or
1:26:11
Speaker 2: anything like that. But you could if you wouldn't have
1:26:13
Speaker 2: known any better, you would have thought the guy's head
1:26:16
Speaker 2: at least some number of drinks. But he didn't, through
1:26:18
Speaker 2: his conduct or behavior, do anything to I think make
1:26:22
Speaker 2: it worse. Now if you would have pulled this, I'm
1:26:23
Speaker 2: not getting out of the car, not getting out of
1:26:25
Speaker 2: the car, not getting out of the car longer, that
1:26:27
Speaker 2: would have been worse for him. Adds For the sheriff's
1:26:30
Speaker 2: deputy involved, I thought she was very professional and she
1:26:34
Speaker 2: handled this with respect toward Romo and a firmness in
1:26:38
Speaker 2: telling him, no, you have to get out of the car.
1:26:40
Speaker 2: She was also reasonable. They're pulled over on the market
1:26:42
Speaker 2: interchange on the freeway. It's not a good area to
1:26:45
Speaker 2: try to do the standardized field sobriety test. You kind
1:26:47
Speaker 2: of need to get out of there, I mean. And
1:26:49
Speaker 2: by the way, this was also in the five o'clock hour,
1:26:52
Speaker 2: meaning rush hour, and it was on part of the freeway,
1:26:56
Speaker 2: the high rise bridge where you're elevated off the road.
1:26:58
Speaker 2: It's just not the right place. You got to get
1:26:59
Speaker 2: out of there and have to tow the car and
1:27:02
Speaker 2: so on. And she was very clear in dealing with him.
1:27:05
Speaker 2: The video follows as he's taken back to apparently a
1:27:09
Speaker 2: police station or squad station in which he was doing
1:27:11
Speaker 2: the testing. She was respectful the entire time. I do
1:27:14
Speaker 2: not think she knew who he was. I didn't get
1:27:16
Speaker 2: the impression that she knew who he was, even after
1:27:18
Speaker 2: he handed over the driver's license. Now maybe the driver's
1:27:21
Speaker 2: I don't know if his driver's license is Tony or Anthony.
1:27:25
Speaker 2: Maybe she didn't put two and two together. Unless you
1:27:28
Speaker 2: watch football a lot, I don't know that necessarily people
1:27:31
Speaker 2: would recognize him by face unless you're really into football
1:27:34
Speaker 2: or watch the games on TV. But you can't say
1:27:36
Speaker 2: that there was any preferential treatment, but I think that's
1:27:39
Speaker 2: there was no sense that she knew who he was.
1:27:43
Speaker 2: Romo at no point tried to play the do you
1:27:46
Speaker 2: know who I am? Card? He did not do that
1:27:48
Speaker 2: at all. In fact, if anything, he was sort of
1:27:52
Speaker 2: underplaying this. Also the contact that was going on. They're
1:27:55
Speaker 2: on the side of the freeway. It's really loud. I
1:27:58
Speaker 2: mean it's really loud, and they have a trouble hearing
1:28:00
Speaker 2: one another. And you know, Romo, initially he's in the
1:28:02
Speaker 2: car when she's asking the initial questions and she's not
1:28:06
Speaker 2: hearing him right, and he's not hearing her. He would saying,
1:28:09
Speaker 2: and it wasn't that he was slurring so much as
1:28:11
Speaker 2: it's just hard to hear that he was at this
1:28:13
Speaker 2: Gulf tournament. He's going to see his grandparents. And then
1:28:15
Speaker 2: she said, are you saying you came from your grandparents?
1:28:17
Speaker 2: And though then when he was out of the car,
1:28:19
Speaker 2: he explained he was at the Wisconsin State at the
1:28:22
Speaker 2: Wisconsin Stadiometer. It's a USG event. I'm sure she didn't
1:28:24
Speaker 2: know what that means. And then he's going to see
1:28:26
Speaker 2: grandma and grandpa. I'm guessing they still live in the
1:28:29
Speaker 2: Burlington area. Romo himself lives in Texas, but he's up
1:28:33
Speaker 2: your planing this thing in the summer. He was probably
1:28:35
Speaker 2: visiting his grandparents and was supposed to fly back to
1:28:37
Speaker 2: Dallas later on in the day. It's a first offense
1:28:41
Speaker 2: for Romo. Drunk drivings are handled completely differently depending on
1:28:47
Speaker 2: your position. In many people's positions, they're fired, you're in
1:28:51
Speaker 2: a position in public, you're a police officer, Often you're terminated.
1:28:55
Speaker 2: Now for first offense, it doesn't get up to second offense.
1:28:58
Speaker 2: In the case of Romo, he's a football broadcaster. There wasn't. Fortunately,
1:29:04
Speaker 2: he didn't crack into anybody, he didn't hurt anybody. He
1:29:06
Speaker 2: was caught by the officer who saw him weaving around
1:29:11
Speaker 2: and driving erratically enough that she felt the need to
1:29:14
Speaker 2: make the stop. To me, the thing that especially remarkable
1:29:17
Speaker 2: about this is it's changed a little bit now that
1:29:19
Speaker 2: the Wisconsin State Patrol is patrolling the Milwaukee freeways. But
1:29:23
Speaker 2: you almost never see a Sheriff's deputy on the roads
1:29:25
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. Occasionally now in the Marquette Interchange construction zone,
1:29:29
Speaker 2: I'll see some and I'll see a few state troopers
1:29:31
Speaker 2: in there, but usually there are no. I mean, it's
1:29:35
Speaker 2: just not a priority of the Sheriff's department, and it
1:29:37
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. We are under law enforcement in Milwaukee County
1:29:41
Speaker 2: and there were better and more important things to do
1:29:44
Speaker 2: than out there trying to catch speeders and so on.
1:29:46
Speaker 2: But this deputy was in the area where she saw him.
1:29:49
Speaker 2: What we don't know, and it's probably going to be
1:29:51
Speaker 2: at a report. Did she see him weave around like
1:29:53
Speaker 2: a mile behind and then she waited to see if
1:29:55
Speaker 2: he was going to continue to drive erradically, to see
1:29:58
Speaker 2: if she had cause to pull him over or not.
1:30:01
Speaker 2: So I thought Romo handled himself. Okay, he didn't lred
1:30:05
Speaker 2: anything over. He didn't say hey, I'm Tony Romo. He
1:30:08
Speaker 2: didn't act impurious, he didn't fight with the officer, didn't
1:30:11
Speaker 2: argue with or didn't say I didn't do this. He
1:30:13
Speaker 2: did refuse to blow into the PBT. I don't know
1:30:17
Speaker 2: whether or not they did. They got to search more
1:30:20
Speaker 2: to do a blood draw. In some cases you can
1:30:22
Speaker 2: and some you can't. I would advise him not to
1:30:25
Speaker 2: fight this if he didn't blow And it's just going
1:30:29
Speaker 2: to be based on the officer's interpretation. Sometimes you can
1:30:33
Speaker 2: get these things dismissed because you don't have substantial proof. Now,
1:30:37
Speaker 2: if they did a blood drawn, he's over the limit,
1:30:39
Speaker 2: he sunk. I would encourage him to apologize, pay the ticket,
1:30:44
Speaker 2: pay the fine. And Wisconsin, there isn't going to be
1:30:46
Speaker 2: jail time for a first offense. And Wisconsin, first time
1:30:49
Speaker 2: drunk driving is not a crime, it's a civil violation.
1:30:53
Speaker 2: I would encourage him to swallow his sword. As for
1:30:56
Speaker 2: what it means for him at CBS, in this world world,
1:31:00
Speaker 2: in the media, and a lot of other jobs, this
1:31:02
Speaker 2: is what it comes down to. If CBS wants to
1:31:06
Speaker 2: get rid of him, they now have the weapon to
1:31:10
Speaker 2: do so. If they want to keep him, they're going
1:31:12
Speaker 2: to keep him, and that's being debated. You know, Tony Romo,
1:31:17
Speaker 2: when he started this job as the analyst for CBS,
1:31:20
Speaker 2: he was like the best color commentator ever. It was uncanny.
1:31:24
Speaker 2: He would tell you what play was going to be
1:31:25
Speaker 2: called before the team called it. But many people have
1:31:28
Speaker 2: made this point he didn't do that anymore. He's several
1:31:31
Speaker 2: years removed from playing the game. Teams have offensive strategies
1:31:34
Speaker 2: have changed a lot, and there's even been a report.
1:31:38
Speaker 2: One of the sports websites reported several months ago that
1:31:42
Speaker 2: CBS essentially bald Romo out during last season and insisted
1:31:46
Speaker 2: that he start doing more preparation for games that he
1:31:48
Speaker 2: come in. And he wouldn't be attending the meetings that
1:31:51
Speaker 2: the broadcasters have with the head coaches, and he didn't
1:31:53
Speaker 2: seem to know who a lot of the players were,
1:31:55
Speaker 2: and he might have just been going up there and
1:31:58
Speaker 2: winging it. So if they've decided, and you're seeing this
1:32:01
Speaker 2: in sports everywhere, we're paying too much in salary for
1:32:04
Speaker 2: this guy that we can't justify nearly a million dollars
1:32:07
Speaker 2: a game, this can become their excuse to fire and
1:32:11
Speaker 2: for cause. If they're still happy with Tony Romo, I
1:32:15
Speaker 2: think that they would let it go. And I do
1:32:17
Speaker 2: think that first defense, drunk drivings with no other He
1:32:22
Speaker 2: didn't kill anybody, He didn't do anything beyond that. They
1:32:25
Speaker 2: should not be something to ruin your life. It's when
1:32:28
Speaker 2: you get into multiple and repeat offenses, or when you
1:32:31
Speaker 2: say run from the police during it, or you physically
1:32:35
Speaker 2: resist stuff like that, that it becomes the kind of
1:32:38
Speaker 2: thing that probably should have more serious consequences. Do you
1:32:42
Speaker 2: see the video, what do you have any impressions? Jason, Yeah,
1:32:50
Speaker 2: I thought he handled pretty One other point that I
1:32:51
Speaker 2: want to make, it is beyond me that after first
1:32:55
Speaker 2: of all, some people watch these videos on YouTube, and
1:32:58
Speaker 2: I'm one of them, and other people don't. The number
1:33:00
Speaker 2: of people who think that you can call your cop
1:33:02
Speaker 2: when you call your lawyer when you're pull over by
1:33:04
Speaker 2: a cop. You do not have a right to call
1:33:06
Speaker 2: your lawyer during a traffic stop. And he wanted to
1:33:09
Speaker 2: call his lawyer, and you see this a lot of
1:33:11
Speaker 2: these things. I'm gonna call my layer. I'm gonna call
1:33:13
Speaker 2: my layer. I'm in The Supreme Court has ruled on this.
1:33:16
Speaker 2: It's not the same as if you were in a
1:33:18
Speaker 2: squad room when you were in custody. When you were
1:33:21
Speaker 2: detained in a traffic stop, you do not have the
1:33:24
Speaker 2: right to consult with an attorney before doing anything. There is, however,
1:33:29
Speaker 2: no requirement that you answer any questions. You are required
1:33:32
Speaker 2: to follow instructions and give your name. That's all you're
1:33:35
Speaker 2: required to do. Now, I've anybody who's ever driven after
1:33:40
Speaker 2: drinking anything at all has to have thought about this
1:33:43
Speaker 2: and what you would do if somebody would pull you over.
1:33:47
Speaker 2: And my response is, if I've done nothing wrong, these
1:33:52
Speaker 2: lawyers come out and say, don't answer anything, going answer
1:33:54
Speaker 2: anything if I actually haven't done anything wrong. For example,
1:33:57
Speaker 2: let's say case I wasn't drinking, I'm gonna answer everything.
1:34:00
Speaker 2: I'd explain that to them and be very very forthcoming.
1:34:02
Speaker 2: I'm only going to be evasive if I actually would
1:34:04
Speaker 2: have something to hide. But if something goes on and
1:34:07
Speaker 2: you haven't done anything wrong, I think that you should
1:34:09
Speaker 2: fully cooperate with this. Now, in this instance, he had
1:34:12
Speaker 2: been drinking, and he handled it in the way that
1:34:15
Speaker 2: he the way that he did, but he did seem
1:34:17
Speaker 2: to think that he had a right to have a
1:34:19
Speaker 2: lawyer during questioning, and he does it. What he doesn't
1:34:22
Speaker 2: have to do is answer questions. The cops can ask
1:34:25
Speaker 2: as much as they want, but he doesn't ask to
1:34:27
Speaker 2: answer questions. On the other hand, if you pull somebody
1:34:29
Speaker 2: over for suspicion of drinking and they're not going to
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Speaker 2: answer any questions, I think it's proper that you can
1:34:33
Speaker 2: assume that there's a good chance that the person is drunk.
1:34:36
Speaker 2: And as I say, in some cases in Wisconsin, they
1:34:38
Speaker 2: get a search war to do a blood draw off
1:34:40
Speaker 2: the person does not consent. In other cases they don't.
1:34:43
Speaker 2: And whoever this resolves. I mean, I think Tony Rome
1:34:46
Speaker 2: was a good guy. I hope that this works out
1:34:48
Speaker 2: for him. And the question that every I mean everybody
1:34:51
Speaker 2: I know has had the same response to this, and
1:34:53
Speaker 2: it's my question too. Tony Roam only seventeen million dollars
1:34:56
Speaker 2: a year, he's going, He's probably staying somewhere, and you're
1:35:00
Speaker 2: Burlington because he said that's where his grandparents were. Hire
1:35:03
Speaker 2: a driver. Now, it may be this golf outing, it's
1:35:10
Speaker 2: the state amateur. It's not like a fundraiser even or
1:35:13
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys going to a golf course in
1:35:15
Speaker 2: which often they'll be drinking. May he may have thought
1:35:19
Speaker 2: there's no drinking after this. I'm just gonna come straight
1:35:21
Speaker 2: home because it's a tournament. And he didn't intend to drink,
1:35:24
Speaker 2: but he did. But seventeen million plus, wouldn't you just
1:35:32
Speaker 2: want you want to drive through Milwaukee County in the
1:35:34
Speaker 2: middle of Russia or anyway, wouldn't you just spend a
1:35:37
Speaker 2: few hundred bucks, have the driver take you back there
1:35:39
Speaker 2: and sit in the back seat, and then have the
1:35:41
Speaker 2: three drinks you're going to have, and then hop on
1:35:43
Speaker 2: your private jet and go back to Dallas and do
1:35:45
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you want. I mean, I do
1:35:47
Speaker 2: get as somebody, you know, I suppose I could my
1:35:52
Speaker 2: entire life uber and I'm a too cheap to do that.
1:35:55
Speaker 2: But be I kind of like driving, you know, and
1:35:58
Speaker 2: got a nice car. But if you're somebody that's prone
1:36:05
Speaker 2: to going out and drinking a lot. And I don't
1:36:07
Speaker 2: know if Tony's a big drinker or not, but we
1:36:08
Speaker 2: probably get things like this, does drink hire a driver? Well?
1:36:14
Speaker 2: And I think it's probably fair to say that for
1:36:16
Speaker 2: the rest of Tony Romo's life, he's gonna hire a driver.
1:36:20
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