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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 356 - Between Two Brothers · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 4: And here we go.
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  Speaker 2: It's got our a shocking death, superstar victim and this
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  Speaker 2: cloud of intrigue and suspicion that hasn't lifted.
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  Speaker 5: In sixty three years.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty three years exactly, that is when Marilyn Monroe was
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  Speaker 2: found dead in her bed in Los Angeles and of
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  Speaker 2: what the authorities would call a deliberate overdose of sleeping pills.
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  Speaker 5: Probably full suicide is what they called it. End of story?
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  Speaker 3: Was it?
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  Speaker 2: I say that because the junior coroner who's taskeled so
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  Speaker 2: Marilyn's autopsy is still around and still wondering whether that's
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  Speaker 2: really what happened to her.
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 5: A life saving device versus a drug designed to kill.
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  Speaker 2: State of Tennessee today carry out the nation's most controversial
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  Speaker 2: execution of this year, well so far, anyway that of
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  Speaker 2: a sixty nine year old triple murderer with a device
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  Speaker 2: in his chest to shock his unstable part back into
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  Speaker 2: normal rhythm. Man's lawyers had argued that the implant shock
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  Speaker 2: him incessantly. Lee, the doctor who's written extensively on medical
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  Speaker 2: ethics and the role of physicians play if any in
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  Speaker 2: capital punishment.
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  Speaker 5: Are you concerned, We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Also ahead, breaking news from that week long manhunt caught
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  Speaker 2: this morning in Jackson. With it so sixty three years
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  Speaker 2: ago today August fifth, nineteen sixty two, the world.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 2: Woke up to the shocking news that Marilyn Monroe was
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  Speaker 2: dead and the evidence pointed very strongly to suicide.
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  Speaker 5: She'd been found in the.
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  Speaker 2: Overnight hours by her housekeeper, face down on her bed, nude,
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  Speaker 2: her hand either resting on or clutching a telephone, and
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  Speaker 2: on her nightstand were multi multiple bottles of pills, including
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  Speaker 2: an empty bottle of an immuta this is a sleeping pill,
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  Speaker 2: and a partially empty bottle of chloral hydrate that is
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  Speaker 2: a powerful sedative. The in Imbuteau prescription was written just
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  Speaker 2: two days before Marilyn's death. Just one day before a
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  Speaker 2: psychiatrist not issue was quote very dispund Okay. Now, investigators
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  Speaker 2: would find out that the movie star the Pinout Bombs
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  Speaker 2: Shell had attempted suicide before by swallowing pills, but apparently
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  Speaker 2: had changed her mind those of those other times she
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  Speaker 2: had called for help.
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  Speaker 5: So you might be saying, Okay, where's the mystery. I
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  Speaker 5: don't get it.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 2: The coroner assigned to Marilyn's autopsy, a recent hire named
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Nogucci, found no visual evidence of pills in Maryland's
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  Speaker 2: stomach or small intestine. The toxicology report showed fatal levels
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  Speaker 2: of both the butal and chlorohydrate inner system, So how.
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  Speaker 5: Did they get there? Were they injected?
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  Speaker 2: Nogucci went over every centermeter of Maryland's body with a
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  Speaker 2: magnifying glass, didn't find any needle marks. He wanted to
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  Speaker 2: test Maryland's stomach and other organs, but the toxicologist didn't see.
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  Speaker 5: The point and threw them out.
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  Speaker 2: And why exactly was a very junior coroner working this
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  Speaker 2: very high profile case in the first place. Why didn't
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  Speaker 2: the chief coroner take it? I mean he was more
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  Speaker 2: than happy to do the press conference and announce the results. Now,
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  Speaker 2: eventually Negucci would be chief coroner and a superstar in
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  Speaker 2: the true crime world himself.
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  Speaker 5: He oversaw the autopsies of Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy, John Belushi, many other stars, but never stopped wondering
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  Speaker 2: whether the official.
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  Speaker 4: All right, what are you doing over there?
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  Speaker 3: Ruby did something? I'll blame it on her. Welcome and everyone,
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  Speaker 3: why don't you do that? I thought that would set
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  Speaker 3: the table nicely.
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  Speaker 4: For Joe. What's up? Everybody? Welcome to show. This is
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  Speaker 4: the lone Goming podcast. I think episode with three and
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  Speaker 4: fifty six between two brothers not ferns all that is
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  Speaker 4: a great show. So tonight we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 4: about Marilyn Monroe and her relationship with the Kennedy brothers.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason this is kind of topical was August fourth,
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  Speaker 4: fifth was the anniversary of her passing, along with new
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  Speaker 4: news maybe not so new but for those of us
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  Speaker 4: had been around the conspiracy world for a little while.
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  Speaker 4: But Thomas Degucci, the guy that did her autopsy, recently
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  Speaker 4: came out and made some pretty fantastic claims, and he
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  Speaker 4: claims that he still stands by to this day at
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  Speaker 4: his age of what ninety six or ninety eight, however old,
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  Speaker 4: that dude is I think he's old but still with it,
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  Speaker 4: and he's the guy that did her autopsy, So if
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  Speaker 4: anybody would know that there's something suspicious about her death,
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  Speaker 4: it would be him and the claim. You know that
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  Speaker 4: her nightstand was filled with all these pill bottles that
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  Speaker 4: the cops are pointing to, like, hey, look at these,
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  Speaker 4: this is probably how she died, right. The problem with
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  Speaker 4: that theory is that there was no glass of water
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  Speaker 4: anywhere near her bed. That's red flag number one. Red
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  Speaker 4: flag number two is that there was no pill capsule
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  Speaker 4: residue found in her stomach or her small intestines, meaning
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  Speaker 4: that she had not ingested an overdose load of pills
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  Speaker 4: because they would have still been inside of her. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I don't blame Thomas Degucci for going over every inch
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  Speaker 4: of her body with the microscope because I might have
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  Speaker 4: done the same thing. But you know, she is dead
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  Speaker 4: at this point. But whatever the case may be. You know,
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  Speaker 4: people can hide and injection sites in between their fingers,
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  Speaker 4: in between their toes places you may not think of.
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  Speaker 4: Some are done so clean that they just don't leave
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  Speaker 4: a mark unless you're like really microscopically examining. You know,
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  Speaker 4: some of the most basic or some of the most
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  Speaker 4: popular injection sites, such as, you know, the corner of
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  Speaker 4: your elbow, the top of your hand, the top of
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  Speaker 4: your feet, anywhere you can find a good vein. But
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  Speaker 4: there was also some other problems with their autopsy, and
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  Speaker 4: they found discoloration and bruising in her a nuss and
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  Speaker 4: her colon indicative of some kind of penetration if you
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  Speaker 4: will now not this kind of penetration, Joe, not the
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  Speaker 4: New Orleans Penetration Force. They were not behind it, behind everything.
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  Speaker 4: But the shirts are now live in the store.
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  Speaker 3: No pun intended. They weren't behind everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you head over to the store now and get
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  Speaker 4: your nopen New Orleans Penetration Force shirts. That's our cheap
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  Speaker 4: drift for the night maybe now. Also imperative to this
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  Speaker 4: story about Marilyn Monroe is of course the infatuation that
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  Speaker 4: she had with JFK. And we'll get into some of
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  Speaker 4: this stuff that they that they that they did together,
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  Speaker 4: the cat and around together. You know her her code
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  Speaker 4: name when she called the White House was miss miss
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  Speaker 4: Green Uh. She was writing letters to the White House
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  Speaker 4: calling the White House uh. And JFK would meet her
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  Speaker 4: at various places. He even snucker onto air force one
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  Speaker 4: disguise as one of his brunettes and his secretary pool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So they definitely had a hot thing going in the
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  Speaker 4: early sixties, I believe, you know, they were pretty much
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  Speaker 4: on and off whatever you want to call it, nineteen
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  Speaker 4: sixty sixty one. I think he was trying to get
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  Speaker 4: away from it in sixty two. And the story is
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  Speaker 4: that RFK was trying to intervene and you know, kind
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  Speaker 4: of run interference if you will, And you know, and
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  Speaker 4: he got swept up into the Marilyn Monroe, you know,
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  Speaker 4: into the mix. Yeah, and hey, can't blame the man, no,
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  Speaker 4: especially when you have Ethel at home birthing your twenty kids.
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  Speaker 4: But and you know, it is a fact that Bobby
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy was at Marilyn Monroe's house the day before she died. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the FBI had been surveilling Maryland, I think since the
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  Speaker 4: mid fifties due to her marriage with who was that
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  Speaker 4: playwright guy?
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  Speaker 3: His name was, I believe it was Andrew Miller.
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  Speaker 4: Arthur Miller, Arthur Miller, that's right. And he was a
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  Speaker 4: supposed communist or Communist leaning sympathizer and she married him. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's a little suspect. So the FBI was
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  Speaker 4: definitely keeping tabs on what her and Arthur Miller were
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  Speaker 4: up to and doing. And there's a whole document trail
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  Speaker 4: to support this surveillance the of them, including a trip
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  Speaker 4: Maryland maid to Mexico City. I believe it was in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen six early in nineteen sixty two, yep. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: all of these things together lead up to some very
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  Speaker 4: bad timing for the Kennedy brothers. You know the fact
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  Speaker 4: that RFK was in fact at her house the day before,
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  Speaker 4: on August the fourth, the day before she died as
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  Speaker 4: late as three point thirty. Now, there's various accounts of
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  Speaker 4: what happened of what actually happened that night, and you
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  Speaker 4: have eyewitness reports from her, her living housemaid, her psychologist, neighbors,
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  Speaker 4: another handyman that was doing some tilework in her kitchen,
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  Speaker 4: and you have all these various stories about what kind
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  Speaker 4: of happened. And I did come across the story seemingly
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  Speaker 4: substantiated by some good sources, and we'll get into that
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  Speaker 4: as well, that she was actually taken from her home
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  Speaker 4: at around ten thirty that night in an ambulance and
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  Speaker 4: she passed away on the way to the hospital and
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  Speaker 4: they freaked out. They didn't know what to do and
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  Speaker 4: took her back home staged as a scene, waited a
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  Speaker 4: little while, and then everything got rolling from there.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's all kinds of theories and reasons why
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  Speaker 4: things may have been done. And it involves the mafia,
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  Speaker 4: it involves the CIA, it involves the Kennedy brother But
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  Speaker 4: where does the truth lie? And that's what we're going
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  Speaker 4: to try to figure out tonight. But before we do,
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  Speaker 4: let's Joe welcome in the large cadre of our friends
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  Speaker 3: I decided to change my setting to the outside during
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  Speaker 3: this beautiful night, and that is what I was running
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  Speaker 3: back and forth to do. But I did see Tiny
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  Speaker 3: was here first in the comment section, although it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: show me her first comment, so I definitely want to
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  Speaker 3: give her the credit. Tiny, Welcome. Paul Cummings is here
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  Speaker 3: so here so I'm here tonight and we'll go tomorrow. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: comment of the night, tiny Yeah, there you are, Rocket
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  Speaker 3: As you know, it is a party up in the
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  Speaker 4: Note, real quick, Joe, before you move on too quickly, Brandon,
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  Speaker 4: just for you, my friend up in the store, your
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  Speaker 4: bicep pose with David Sperritt on deck. Don't turn around
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  Speaker 4: the other way, Brandon. Just now live in the store
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  Speaker 4: for a limited time only, just long enough for Brandon
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  Speaker 4: to order some shit and I put them on a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of different products. You don't have to buy them all,
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  Speaker 4: just you know, whatever you like, or if you don't
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  Speaker 4: like it, tell me and I'll figure something else out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but Brandon is our number one, so he gets his
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  Speaker 4: own March and we should probably say too Joe. About
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  Speaker 4: tonight's topic, shall I believe was kind of suggested by
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  Speaker 4: one of our superspies, Paula, in her passing comments. With
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  Speaker 4: the timing of the new news, with the timing over
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  Speaker 4: passing and with Paula's suggestion, we decided, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: let's talk about this because I don't think we've ever
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  Speaker 4: done it. On the on the Loncoming podcast really went
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  Speaker 4: after the whole Maryland thing. So yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely a perk of being a super spy you
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  Speaker 3: get to recommend shows. We mightn't not always do it,
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  Speaker 3: but and you know, I've kind of discounted this for
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  Speaker 3: so long, rob like Marilyn Monroe thing, but some of
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  Speaker 3: the things we're going to get into is pretty suss,
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  Speaker 3: making me think, making me like think a little twice,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of three, thrice.
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  Speaker 4: And on a side note, on our book review show, look,
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  Speaker 4: we love you guys. We hope you are enjoying the
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  Speaker 4: book reviews, but please stop with the suggestions because we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to listen. We want to do books that
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  Speaker 4: at least one of us has read before or own
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  Speaker 4: and are familiar with. So while we appreciate the suggestions,
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  Speaker 4: just know that we're always going to be picking books
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  Speaker 4: that are sitting on our shelves or we've read before
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  Speaker 4: or something like that, and most of the time they're
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  Speaker 4: just done at random.
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  Speaker 3: There is no.
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  Speaker 4: Order to the chaos when it comes to choosing a book.
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  Speaker 4: And Joe will tell you that. He'd be like, why'd
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  Speaker 4: you pick that one? I said, I closed my eyes
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  Speaker 4: and I walked over to the bookshelf and I pointed
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  Speaker 4: at one. That's why. So just a side note to
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  Speaker 4: the book reviews. But we you know, we appreciate the
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  Speaker 4: suggestions to just know that you know, we're we're kind
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  Speaker 4: of doing our own thing with that. Yeah, but thank
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  Speaker 4: you for watching hearing. But yes, for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, at least to start, we'd like to have
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  Speaker 3: read them. Sally a up chucks. Ah, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: what that means. That might be some cockney.
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  Speaker 4: Like the shoes Chuck Taylor's. That must be what she's saying.
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  Speaker 3: Paul is here. Thank you for your all right, thank
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  Speaker 3: you for you cousins, peace, and for your comfort going
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  Speaker 3: okay stalking calling.
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  Speaker 4: Uh sorry, to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, shot a lot. Hello, joby in trouble
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  Speaker 3: be Hello everyone in the chat. Hello to you, sir,
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. And so Anthony Thrip waking
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  Speaker 3: up in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Throw your carpones hit him up. Quest carpet if you
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  Speaker 4: live in Australia. I doubt they ship carpet around the world,
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  Speaker 4: but you never know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we might get a description of I'm like
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  Speaker 3: hesitant to make these jokes. We might get a carpet
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  Speaker 3: description of a different kind of carpet from the autopsy
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  Speaker 3: of Marilyn Monroe. I'm bad, uh, Paula says. Cyril Wet
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  Speaker 3: says Marilyn Monroe's death was by suicide.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're we're opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, South to West Joe fixing a drink. No, I wasn't, actually,
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  Speaker 3: but I already had one made. But oof, I changed
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  Speaker 3: locations like two minutes before. It was a risky maneuver.
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  Speaker 3: But it's it's freaking hot in this house and there's
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  Speaker 3: no air conditioning. You know, the house is one hundred
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  Speaker 3: years old. I'm literally on top of the mountain and
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  Speaker 3: there's no wind.
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  Speaker 4: So I like that I had to move.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, let's see who else, Timothy.
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  Speaker 4: Ryan where he's got him. Uh, I'm just.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna comment this from Colleen the Gucci says he thinks
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  Speaker 3: it was an enema due doo rectal discoloration. Interesting, Well,
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  Speaker 3: I have the whole autopsy. We will get there eventually.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, there's a lot of you here tonight, and we're
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  Speaker 4: happy about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and I think I'm going on. Oh, mister Daniel
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  Speaker 3: plant again, din't.
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  Speaker 4: Joe just what your names, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm to be fair Plantagenet, to be fair,
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  Speaker 3: I butcher everything.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not don't take it personally.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and Paul psbl see how doy? How do you
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  Speaker 3: everyone but Joe B who skipped me last week even
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  Speaker 3: though I showed up early. Well, Paul, like not, all
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  Speaker 3: the comments from like an hour or two before the
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  Speaker 3: show show up in our restream app for what it's worth,
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  Speaker 3: So it's not. It's true.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Tiny was.
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  Speaker 3: The first one in and her her chat wasn't there?
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  Speaker 3: I asked, yes, so this is how the show came about.
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  Speaker 3: I asked Joe B if there's any documentation for the JFK.
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  Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe fair or if it's all tantalizing bullshit. Glad
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  Speaker 3: the guys are bringing the goods and you Yes, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: mister Mike Segrest Junior, where I get to catch you
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  Speaker 3: live secret secret yesh butt for everything. Thank you. We
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  Speaker 3: were glad you were catching us as well, live too,
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  Speaker 3: And of course turn horse. It's French.
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  Speaker 4: Parly v Francille this year, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And garden and guns slipping in with her uh weekly
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  Speaker 3: free p didy comment, which I think she's done a
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  Speaker 3: few times now, but I respect that.
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  Speaker 4: Let's keep him behind bars for now, all right?
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  Speaker 3: So we started rob with my cold opening. That went
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  Speaker 3: terribly and I apologie us for that, but I figure
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  Speaker 3: what we'll start with is some of the first FBI
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  Speaker 3: documents that uh got Monroe her first? What got her surveilled? Right?
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  Speaker 3: How does this actress get to be on the FBI's radar? Right?
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  Speaker 3: And you touched on it briefly?
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Well, holy snikes.
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  Speaker 3: I'll wait for your sound.
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  Speaker 4: But why is it so low?
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  Speaker 3: Sounded fine to me.
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  Speaker 4: Normally as loud as hell. Maybe it's just I turned
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  Speaker 4: it down on my HiPhones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the double B coming through like he always does.
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  Speaker 3: Gifting not five, but ten membership spook levels.
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  Speaker 4: And wow, congratulations to Kevin Hardy Turin Horse. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: who else here, BOMBARDA, Gary W. Well, that's too many
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, sir, you were the man. So
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: this is kind of like a brief timeline I put
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: together like a couple of minutes before the show. So
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe rising star really starting in the early to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: mid nineteen fifties, nineteen fifty three, fifty four. In August
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty five, Monroe starts being survelled by the FBI
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: for being a suspected communist sympathizer. And this pretty much
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: goes on for the six and a half year, Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: exactly the rest of her life, literally, So I skipped
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: a little bit of time later, but it's it's pretty
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: much the same.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: She made move and posed for Playboy, Yes, thanks, yes,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: And there's a.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You sent it to me, Rob. There's I mean, hundreds
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: of FBI documents that detail this through fifty six, fifty seven,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: fifty eight, fifty nine, and they're all just saying she
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: met with this person, this person was an alleged communist,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: this communist lead. Yeah. So I then skipped to February
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: sixty two, which is when Monroe visits Mexico City, which
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: causes another little stir in May nineteen sixty two, that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: is when Monroe sings the very famous Happy Birthday, mister
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: President to Kennedy at Madison Square Garden.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And let me add here, Joe, Yeah, you know Caroline,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: our beloved Caroline once sang me Happy Birthday, just to
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: me in my d MS one year for my birthday,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: and it was awesome. It was in the style of
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe too. I may have melted a little bit,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: but that's okay.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I would not blame you. She has an amazing voice
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and that is a pretty high honor, sir. Yes, pretty,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I am a little jealous. I'm not gonna lie.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Of course, she's in Canada and happily married, so you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: what's a boy to do. But I greatly appreciate it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Best birthday President.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so was JFK.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I can relate relate to how JFK must have felt.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: In July sixty two, Kennedy dines privately with Montroe, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that is that his brother in law's property. We'll get
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: into that, yep. And you know, less than a month later,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: she's dead, right, She passes away August fourth, and the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: autopsy is August fifth.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Uh So you know you're one important thing out of
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: this timeline, Joe, the RFK the day before well that
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: and a week before death, the whole count Eva incident. Yes,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the I think may have had something to do with
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: her passing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, and you have stuff on that you mentioned, right,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I do okay, good good, because I do not know
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: much about that whatsoever.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And what's the story.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: So let's go to the earliest FBI document referring to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe. She is the subject information concerning from the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: FBI Field Office in Washington to the Director Jaegahova. Blank advised,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: August twelfth, nineteen fifty five. There's so many reactions in
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: these documents, bro still, and that is kind of suss like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: are you still protecting informants at this point? Anyways? Blank?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Ruters News Agency contacted Blank at the Soviet Embassy. Blank
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: inquired of Blank if Marilyn Monroe had applied for a visa.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Stated that the Soviet Embassy received a letter from her
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: manager requesting application for a visa and it is now
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: under consideration. Blank also stated that Blank Blank spoke to
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the cultural attache about it later that afternoon, Blank advised.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: A reporter of The New York Post contacted Blank and
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: inquired regarding Marilyn Monroe's application for visa forms. Blank stated
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: that the letter requesting the forms are signed by her
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: manager and the letter is the request is under consideration.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Blank stated the letter was received a twelve. This document
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: is a sixteen, and of course, as we've talked about
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the flow of documents, you can kind of go go
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: along with the timeline. Three days later, on August nineteenth,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: nineteen fifty five, you have another informant who has furnished
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: reliable This is from mister Dennis Flynn, Director Office of Security,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: State Department, Okay, an informant to Jay Gahova, an informant
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: who has furnished reliable information in the past, advised on
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: August twelfth, fifty five that Blank Routers Reuters News Agency
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: contacted Blank. Soviet Embassy Washington an answer to an inquiry
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: from Blank. Advised that the Soviet Embassy, Washington d C
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: received a letter from Marilyn Monroe's manager requesting an application
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: for a visa to visit the USSR. According to Blank,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: this matter is now under consideration. Attached at the Soviet Embassy.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Spoke to about this.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Man her so uh a year later. I guess she's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: really getting hot and heavy with Miller at this point, right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: they start surveiling him as well, but they actually started
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: survailing her first. And the what I think about this
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: is that Rob is that this skufuza Arthur Miller wasn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: really relevant until he got with Marilyn Monroe. Now, when
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you're with one of the most popular and famous actresses
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: and women in the world, now, all of a sudden
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: your possible sympathies or views or an issue because you
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: could have.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Well, he was kind of a big deal as a playwright,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: you know, not in the like movie stars since but
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: you know he was kind of a big deal.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Right. No, I'm not saying it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Wasn't you put him more in the spotlight, right, That's
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Right, I want to say, you got
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: black lit, you know, as being like a communist in Hollywood.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: He might have. I wouldn't doubt it at all. Definitely.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Subject Miller is a new husband of Marilyn Monroe. This
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: is October nineteen fifty six. He arrived in the United
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Kingdom together with his wife some months ago, and, according
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to Blank, appears to be contemplunting a prolonged stay in England.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Blank states that the only information they have concerning him
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: is that which appeared in numerous newspaper reports, and that
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: they would be most grateful for any background or security
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: information that the Bureau may have on him, so they
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: don't really have much right now on him.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: And this goes on rob for.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: From nineteen fifty six until nineteen sixty two consistently, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I could have putten, you know, fifty PowerPoint slides of
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: different reports that read like that Marilyn Monroe met with
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: this person who's suspected of being a Communist sympathizer, who's
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: part of the American Communist League or this, and that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: It's just it was. It was so consistent for so long.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: And the only reason I think is that that would
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: happen is because they knew that as one of the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: most popular women in the world, if she came out
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: for Communism, that would be a problem for them in
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the United States government. Now I know how Marilyn felt.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to fast forward a little bit in
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the because of time, and we're going to go to
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: her FBI document about her is It to Mexico City.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: We're in late February nineteen sixty two. Subject Frederick Vanderbilt Field,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: who is part of the Vanderbilt family and an unknown
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I guess communist or Marxist or something redacted protect this reduction,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: who has furnished reliable information in the past, advised on
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: two twenty seven, sixty two that the movie actress Marilyn
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Monroe is presently visiting in Taxco Guerrero, Mexico, and is
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: being escorted during this visit by the subject, so he's
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: kind of escorting her during this whole trip to Mexico.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: This is a few days later, the following information was
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: received from Blank and Blank, who had furnished reliable information
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: in the past. Extreme care should be used in reporting,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: if any of this information to avoid disclosure of sources
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: who were associating closely with subject Marilyn Monroe during her
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: visit to Mexico. The source advised that Marilyn Monroe, the
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: movie actress, was recently in Mexico on vacation, and while
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: in Mexico associated closely with certain members of the American
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Communist Group in Mexico, the ACGM. The source characterized the
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: ACGM as a loose association of a predominantly social nature
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: of present and or past members of the Communist Party
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: USA and their friends and associates who share a common
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: sympathy for communism and the Soviet Union. They advised that
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: during the course of this visit, a mutual infactuation arose
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: between Subject, Marilyn Monroe and Blank reacted. The situation caused
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: considerable dismay among Miss Monroe's on charage and also among
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: the ACGM. So it sounds there, Rob, that she hooked
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: up with the Kami.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: A rich COMI.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll get into that. On two twenty one,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: sixty two, Blank visited Subject in her suite at Hotel
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Continental Hilton at five PM. The visit was arranged through
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: New York friends and was based on his former friendship
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: with Arthur Miller, her former husband, so she's divorced by
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: him at this point in sixty two. He stayed for
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: about an hour and she arranged to go with Blank
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: on Bank Tula, Mexico for the day. Teluka. Subject arrived
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: in Mexico on two nineteen sixty two from Miami. Her
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: entry into Mexico reportedly was arranged by Frank Sinatra through
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: former president Miguel Alamann. She was accompanied by an agent,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: a hairdresser, and an interior decorator because she kind of
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: break in the interior decorator with you, Rob, Well, yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I got to meet Yeah. It was those hotel suites
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: in Mexico. You gotta, you know, do a little rewodel.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: The latter was identified as unique Eunice Churchill, a widow
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: about sixty five from Los Angeles. Churchill said her husband
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: was a violent trade unionist who was a functionally functionary
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: in the Furniture workers section of the a f of L.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Carpenter's Union, who died four or five years ago. She
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: identified him as a labor pioneer blah blah blah. According
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: to Churchill, the subject was much just disturbed by Arthur
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Miller's marriage on twelve, twenty sixty two, so he had
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: gotten remarried and feels like a negated sex symbol. Churchill
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: said that subject has a lot of leftist rubbed off
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: from Miller. Subject reportedly spent sorry spent some time with
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Robert Kennedy at the home of Peter Lawferts in Hollywood.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Subject reportedly challenged mister Kennedy Monroe on.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Some points proposed to her by Miller.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Subject was acquainted with Blank background and principles and expressed
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: curiosity as his relationship with the Blank family maybe Kennedy family.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: On two twenty four to sixty two, Subject traveled to
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Mexico to visit the Native market. She was accompanied by
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Blank pok Plank. It became clear that a relationship was
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: developing between Subject and Blank, and considerable concern was expressed
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: by a lot of people. Now we are going to
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: forward to July of nineteen sixty two, and this is
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: about two months after the the Happy Birthday Mister President,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: that Monroe sung to JFK in May of nineteen sixty
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: two and Subject to Director Jay Igahova, Subject Marilyn Monroe
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: security matter. Blank and Blank, who had furnished reliable information
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in the past, Blank were in contact with Subject in
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: her entourage on several occasions. Subjects said she had lunch
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: at the at Peter Lawford's with President Kennedy just a
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: few days previously. She was very pleased. She had asked
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the President about socially significant questions concerning the morality of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: atomic testing and the future of the youth of America.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: So you could see Rob White, some people in the
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: intelligence community is concerned if she's having conversations with him
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: about atomic energy, right, atomic testing?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's tamed. Uh what else she's been accused
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: of talking to him about here and we'll get into you.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's rarely been asked by Lawford to appear
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: at the president's birthday party.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Now you know what, Yeah, Peter Lawford is John F.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Kennedy's brother in law. Right, I think Peter Lawfer is
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: married to one of the Kennedy sisters at this point,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I do believe or somehow in with the family, part
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: of the family, Like I gotta I gotta figure that
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Lawford knew that they that they were boning, and for
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Lawford to invite her to his birthday party in Washington,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: d C. To sing Happy Birthday to him the way
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: she did, knowing Jackie's there, Like that's kind of fucked
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: up for your boy to do to you, you know
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like Peter Laffer's putting him in a
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: very awkward position.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Yeah, is he stirring the pot?
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Like that's that's a that's a big
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: time like rib Like I'm sure he had a laugh
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: about that, you know, you know what I mean, Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I got you, motherfucker. John jfk was like, you dirty
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: son of a bitch.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's a good point. Uh, you never know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to understand the the inner dynamic
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: of a family and family dynamics, you know, you would
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: never know unless you're there, right, Yeah, she had just
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: offered the use of her apartment in New York and
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: said blah blah blah something and then so let's see
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the date of this document is there is something written
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: over it, but it looks like July thirteenth or eighteenth.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: On the top right corner there this is another I
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: guess it's a something that is something that like a
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: package confirmed notice right attach contains info received from blank
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: informants informance advised. Marilyn Monroe attended luncheon at the residence
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of Peter Lawford with President Kennedy. Informants characterized Monroe's views
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: as positively and concisely leftist. So, I mean they're keeping
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: a big eye on her. They have a ton of
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: different informants around her in Mexico. Everywhere she go.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Big old bad bombs on everybody, do you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what they were concerned about, that
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: this leftist Monroe is going to get into the leftist
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Kennedy's ear. Even more right, it's the only reason why
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you would waste so much taxpayer money.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Well, you know how it was back then. I mean,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: they were hunting communists down like crazy, right. You know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: it's the height of the Cold War, very anti communist.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You know, the FBI was doing this shit all over
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: and you know, her right in the Soviet embassy to
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: get to obtain a visa to go to Russia for
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: whatever reason, even though it was probably innocuous. I mean,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: at this point, she is a probably worldwide famous movie star, correct,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: you know, and I'm sure some rich dude in the
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: USSR was like, you know, I'll pay you two million
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: dollars to come over here and make an appearance and
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Right, can't blame her.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, I mean, you know, Moscow is a
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: is a historical city. If you have the money that
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Monroe does and you're getting famous, you want to travel
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the world. You have your managers say I want to
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: go to Russia, apply for visa. But this sets off
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: this whole, you know, chain reaction of surveillance that lasted
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: until the end of her life, and that just kind
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: of portrays how much the the communists, you know, how
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: much everyone was scared of the dirty communists back then, right, And.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: It wasn't just male either, they also were bugging her
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: telephone as well as well too a little later. Right, so,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: she dies.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: About a month after she dines with President Kennedy. I'm
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: going to skip to the I'm going to save the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: autopsy for later. But even way past her death, whenever
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: any article or book comes out relating to Monroe and
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: in relation to the Kennedys, it stirs up a whole
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: nother thing of documents. And this is an example from
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: a little less than a year from after she died.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Walter Winch Sheells column July eighth, sixty three issue with
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: The New York Mirror contained the statement photo Play's current
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: article on the man who killed Marilyn practically names him
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: in accordance to with your request. There follows a brief
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: review of the information concerning Marilyn Monroe in the August
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: sixty three issue of photo Play magazine. On page ten,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: column by Winchell begins which states that Monroe's death and
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the married man responsible for it end quote was still
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: getting considerable space in the foreign press. Winchell says that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the author of the articles, which are syndicated in papers
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: on the Continent claims he was personally interviewed many people
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood and New York who were aware of Miss
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Monroe's problems and claimed his insensional story was big news.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Let me skip a little gum.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Article begins on page fifty two under a caption one
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: year later, Marilyn Monroe's killer still at large or review
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: of this article reveals Witchell's claim that it practically names
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: the man who killed Marilyn is nothing more than a blank,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: redacted plug for a cheap magazine. Actually, the article comes
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: no way near identifying anyone. The only clues to the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: identity of the alleged merry man who had an affair
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: with Marilyn and quote caused her suicide when he rejected
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: her could apply to any number of prominent individuals. So
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: this article essentially gives clues of who this merried man
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: could be and doesn't name anyone. And that's all I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: gonna say. The article also states that Miss Monroe's housekeeper
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: has quote vanished, and that her publicity agent, Pat Newcomb,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: is not working in Washington, d C. Her second husband,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Joe DiMaggio, of course, the famous baseball player for the
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: New York Yankees, is the only ones who remains faithful
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: in that the man who killed miss Monroe was still
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: let large and can never be arrested. So interesting is
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: that Joe DiMaggio kind of kept on this trail, I
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: guess before he died, trying to figure out who killed her,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: even though I don't think they were married at the
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: time that she died. But interesting, nice little baseball reference there.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: And then in sixty five here we go to continue
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: with DiMaggio. Blank advises that on previous date, February sixty five,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: he in company with Blank from Blank has visited Blank
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: bro the amount of her dactions is crazy for a celebrity,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: was in an office in New York City, and at
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: that address had exhibited a motion picture which depicted deceased
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: actress Marilyn Monroe committing a perverted act upon an unknown male.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: So here's a document saying this guy's saying, hey, I
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: saw essentially like a porno tape of Marilyn Monroe. According
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to Blank, claimed that former baseball star Joseph Dimagio, her
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: second husband in the past, had offered him twenty five
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars for this film, it being the only one
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: in existence, but that Blank had refused the offer. The
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: above is being furnished the FBI lab blah blah blah blah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I have the autoxy next. I'm gonna
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: stop there and let you take.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: It over, all right. So there's been a lot made
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: of the conspiracy theory surrounding her death since she died,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: you know, some sixty three years ago. Damnitry, there's me
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: a curveball there. That's pretty good. You know, I think
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: every couple of years or so, you'll see a new
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: book being written, You'll see a new documentary coming out,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: new magazine articles claiming new evidence or new witness testimony,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: this and that. And like we said earlier, you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: this year wasn't any different with Nogucci coming out. And
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: you know, Anthony Summers, who wrote the JFK conspiracy book
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: called Conspiracy, also heavily investigated the death of Marilyn Monroe
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: and managed to interview a lot of witnesses and obscure
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: items and this and that. And when we did our
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: book review this week, we did it on Matrix for
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Assassination by Richard Gilbride, and I briefly mentioned in there
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: that the first chapter in his book is actually on
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: the death of Marilyn Monroe. And I'll get into what
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: his theory is because it's it's a little different than
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: any you might have heard, Hence him thinking out of
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: the box, which I can appreciate. Don't know if he's
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: right or not. And again I don't know. I don't
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: know the truth about what happened to Marilyn Monroe. You know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: you can only take all of this in and parse
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: out all of the material and take it all into
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: consideration and come to your own conclusions about what you
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: think might have happened with Marilyn Monroe. I mean, obviously
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: when you examine her life, you know, you got to
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: kind of feel for the woman. I mean, she was
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: definitely taken advantage of by Hollywood, by producers, by directors,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: by you know, the big studio executives. Of course, you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: her story is not unique women in that time.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Right, they think like Harvey Weinstein of today, but even
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: worse because it was in the fifties and sixties.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Right, you know, Cast and couch was definitely a little dirty,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: dirty year back then. You know, but again at that time,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: that's just how it was, and a lot of these
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Hollywood starlets knew that. And that's why a lot of them,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: you know, came and crashing on the scene and then
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: and then went fading out, burning out, dying young. And
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: I could understand if Marylynd felt like a you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: over time, felt like a used piece of meat.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I think she by the time she died, at thirty
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: five or thirty six, she'd already been married three or
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: four times, which is crazy, you know, when she came
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: up from a very innocent background. I think she grew
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: up in like the Midwest or something and didn't have
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: a very good childhood. I think she was a foster
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: foster child or something like that, you know, And you
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: know her story is it is one of those you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people can relate to, and you
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: could probably understand if you know, she wanted to legitimately,
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: you know, unlive herself. You can understand why, you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: because at some point, you know, the fame and the
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: money doesn't mean much if you're not happy. And the
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: way she was treated by these men in her life
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: is atrocious. Let me just put that out there. Uh
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: As we'll get into but let's examine a couple of
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: the theories, if you will, about what happened to her.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: And I'm not endorsing any of these because a lot
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: of people have a lot of different theories. But here's
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: one that came out in nineteen eighty two.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: And you are right, Rob, she did spend most of
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: her childhood in foster homes and orphanages before marrying her
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: first husband, James Doherty at the age of sixteen.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And like I said, I'm sure she was passed
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: around in these foster homes and treated very horribly and
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: endured things that no child should have to endure. And
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: you know, things just didn't get any better for her,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: despite you know, her fame, you know. And again this
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: is back then. She's a woman, she I mean, you know, yes,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: she had money, but she wasn't getting paid what she
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: should have been getting paid, you know, for the star
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: power that she brought to the movies in Hollywood in general.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: So keep that in mind as well. But so this
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: is something written by Ronald Ronald Clark. No relate to me,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: your boy. Yes. Uh, twenty years after she died, Marilyn
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Monroe is still allowed no peace. Rewards of up to
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: one thousand dollars have been offered for her so called
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Red Diary, and a private detective believes she was killed
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: by dissonant faction of the CIA and a former Corners.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: They claims he was coerced in designing her death certificate.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: So let's parse that real quick, all right. The so
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: called red Diary is, of course Marilyn Monroe's diary, right,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: which much like uh shit, well, what was that woman's name,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: the other one that died on the towpath in Georgetown,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Mary Pincho Meyer.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, much Court Myer's wife.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: So much like her and her diary that ended up
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: going missing. That there was a big to do about
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: with James Angleton and all of that and Ben Bradley.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe's diary was never found, allegedly, and I believe
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: THEGUCCI came forward and claims that he was coerced into
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: signing her death certificate the way that he did back then.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: And this is in nineteen eighty two, so I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: know how true that is. Robert Slatzer, author of The
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Life and Curious Death of Marilyn Monroe, published in nineteen
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: seventy four, told reporters that in the last summer of
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: her life, Miss Monroe was having an affair with Senator Kennedy,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: that would be r f K, he said. Miss Monroe
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: showed him her diary, which included details of her relationship
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: with Kennedy, who was then US Attorney General, and information
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: about the CIA. Slatter said Kennedy broke off his relationship
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: with Miss Monroe two weeks before her death. Quote. This
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: was a woman who couldn't take rejection, Slaster said. He
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: said on the night before she died, she told him
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: by telephone if she did not hear from him soon,
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: that she would call the press conference and blow the
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: lid off of everything, which of course would not be
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: a good look for the Kennedy brothers, as one of
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: them is currently President of the United States. Michael Spiriglio,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: a member of a leading Los Angeles private detective agency
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: who said he has been investigating Miss Monroe's death for
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: ten years now, offered a ten thousand dollars reward for
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: the diary. He said he has evidence, which he did
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: not specify, that the diary included entries of Kennedy telling
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Miss Monroe of a CIA plot to kill Cuban leader
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Fidel Castro, which is interesting, very yeah, because I don't
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: think that was proper knowledge until the Church committee in
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy five, you know, unless you were in it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: He told a press conference he'd uncovered enough sources of
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: a plot organized by the CAIA to kidnap Miss Monroe
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: and take her to a safe house in Virginia, where
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: the CIA has its headquarters. And again, I don't know
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: how accurate any of this information is. I'm just relaying
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: the faction intended to make known. Later Miss Monroe had
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: suffered a nervous breakdowns, so no one would accept what
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: she'd said. But he said he believed that he what
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: he called a dissonance CIA faction got to Miss Monroe
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: first and killed her. Doctor Theodore or Kurfey, who was
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: the Los Angeles corner when Miss Monroe died, has disputed
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: claims that she was murdered. These stories of circulator for years.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: He said, there is no point to them. End quote.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: A CIA spokesman dismissed the murder claims as false and absurd,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: but the Monroe mystique continues. Now, of course that's just
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: a random CII spokesman, whoever that may be. You know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: like they they have a ship ton of them. Now,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: let's touch a little bit. Joe on the whole count
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Navy incident because you said you weren't too familiar with
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: what went on there. And of course this allegedly occurred
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: a week or so before her death and could possibly
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: account for the injuries to her. A nus hum. You
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I do any one? I think
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: I got that backwards?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Anthony Thrippe said, was she in Mexico with La Hoe? No,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: she was in Mexico in nineteen sixty two, and that's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: when she died. That would have been a year before Jackie.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Was not there, Rocket Queen Colleen says, and I think
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: she's referring to the JFK birthday song. I don't know
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: she's I don't think she was pregnant then, but she
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I agree, I don't think she was there, and sooner
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Scooter follows her. The coroner said, MM had no drug
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: residue in her stomach, didn't he he did? We will
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: get there. Yeah, we're going to show it soon, all right.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: So back to Count Nava, Maryland. Allegedly covorted there with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: mobsters Sam g and Conna, Bugsy Seagull, Skinny Demato, Handsome,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Johnny Rosselli, Frank Sinatra just to mention a rumored few.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: It goes on to tell a little bit about the building.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: So allegedly there was a sexual romp which included Maryland
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: being drugged, applied with drinks, uh.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: What have you.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: And they retired to a heart shaped bed located in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: one of the count Nava lodges there, and she was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: taken advantage of by multiple people, and allegedly this tryst
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: was filmed without her consent by these rather famous obsters
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: and Hollywood people.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Now, Rob, could that have been what the document I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: read a few minutes ago be referring to. I think
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: it was in sixty four when that guy was like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: I saw the film of Monroe doing sexually.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: I think that was with one person. I think that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: this was the dudes at the same time. If you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, yea, which like I said this
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: a week before she died, and her annus could have
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: been damaged that weekend. You know it would still be
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: it could it could still be traumatized a week later
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: if you if you understand what I'm.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Saying, especially if it was multiple people.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and god knows what they were sticking where.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Fucking poor woman? Man? It's all right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Continue now that weekend, allegedly, Joe DiMaggio arrived unannounced and uninvited,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: under the mistaken impression that Marilyn had been kidnapped and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: taken there. Demasio was not a fan of the people
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: at count Nava that weekend or the circumstances those persons created.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: According to This Guy author C. David Hayman, see Joe
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: and Marilyn argued after she refused to leave with him
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: and returned to Los Angeles. After Joe departed, and Maryland
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: drank too much, of course, and she ingested so many
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: pills as she was taken to Reno and then returned
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: to Los Angeles by Frank Sinatra's ever present airplane. Peter
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Lawford supposedly admitted to Haymond that the lodge featured its
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: share of call girls, along with wild, perverted sex parties
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: and excessive drug use. But Lawford asserted to according to Hayman,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: that Maryland was not a kidnapping victim, but she was
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: a a gang are victim. If you know what I'm saying.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: From that, Let's see. According to one writer and his
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: vulgar literary effort, Marylyn was ard repeatedly by mobsters prostitutes
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: and marauding lesbians, not to mention that she was also
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: photographed and filmed in various indelicate and compromising positions of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: sexual debasement, both clothed and naked, drunk and drugged. And
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: in yet another lurid account, the writer dismissed the purient
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: stories of ours orgies and lesbianisms, but he replaced the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: tales of debauchery and excessive sex with tales of a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: self administered drug injections. And according to him, Marylyn was
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: ill and constantly ingested deadly pills and alcohol, constantly injected
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: herself with feeno barbital nembutah, and second all, she was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: simply a depressed mess of a woman who, like Ray
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Milan in Billy Wilder's famous movie, experience a drug and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: alcohol induced lost weekend if you will. She could barely walk,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: barely dress herself, and seldom appeared in public during her
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: malignant weekend from hell. And according to another literary effort,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Marilyn Act actually attempted to unlive herself that weekend, but
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: was saved by a stomach pump. Her next attempt, however,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: the following weekend, would prove successful allegedly but unquestionably the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: most bizarre and ludicrous biographical account appertaining to that July
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: weekend or I have courtesy of the former actor self
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: proclaiming gangster and Maryland's paramour Johnny Russo, who's like I said,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of people there, Okay, a lot,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: so again, I don't know. I mean, you know, the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: people that were there are going to tell the story.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: Do you know who Gianni Russo is?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Who's that?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: He was an actor and the godfather?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me he just died like.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Very recently. Yeah. This guy, so he played the godfather
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Marlow Brando's Marlon Brandrew's daughter's husband, right, who sold him
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: out and got a brother Sonny killed? Right? This him right? Right?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: He must have just died because I've seen him on
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: a bunch of podcasts.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: He just died like within the last year or two. Yes, yeah,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: So that is crazy that he was allegedly possibly there
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: and hanging with Sinatra. Some someone said rock and Queen
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Colleen said Sinatra took her there to this yeah, this
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: thing you're referring to.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: According to several other people, the entire count Nav episode
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: was arranged by Frank Sinatra and Peter Lawford, at the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: request of Sam g and Kanna, mobster singer and actor,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: acted with one uniform purpose to convince Maryland not to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: hold a press conference and not to expose the adulterous
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: behavior of the Kennedy brothers. If necessary, they would extort
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: her into compliance by using her drug addiction along with
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: sexual extortion of course, that old reliable stratagram of personal destruction.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the uh, the Diddy and Epstein strategy.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: Right. And there's also stories that g and Conna would
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: and like I said, and Sinatra behind this thing because
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: g and Conna wanted to stick it to the Kennedy
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: brothers literally by defiling the one woman that they had
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: both had.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting, I never thought of it that way.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And again we got Johnny Roselly. I mean it's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: there's a there was a lot of people there.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't It was a high profile event, it
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: seems at.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: The only woman for sure.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah wow.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I mean you got to remember, Joe, this
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: is the most famous woman in the world, the most
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: considered the most beautiful woman in the world, and they
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: got her all to themselves. And these aren't just any
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: scuffoozas they are, you know, very famous people in their
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: own rights, and you know, none of this is getting out.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: They can do whatever they want to or at this point. Yeah,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: and now they have blackmail exactly.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Horrible to think about.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see here, all right, all right, let's do
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: this one first and then we'll come back to that one.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: All right, So back to the mystery around her actual death.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: So just after three am, this is the official story,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: on August fifth, nineteen sixty two, mere hours after arguing
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: with her supposed lover, then US Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: at her Brentwood, California State Marilyn Monroe's nude, lifeless body
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: was reportedly found by her housekeeper. As the story goes,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: the glamorous store was surrounded by several bottles of sleeping pills,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: and an hour or so later, the popo arrived on
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: the scene. But some say that's not quite how it happened. No,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: she was not dead at home, says ambulance company owner
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: Walter Shaeffer in a new Netflix documentary, The Mystery of
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe. The Unheard Tapes. And this is the Anthony
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Summers deal right. One of his former drivers, a man
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: named Ken Hunter, had been dispatched to Monroe's home on
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: the night of her death. Excuse Me Shaeffer says that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: the Silver Screen superstar was comatose but alive when Hunter
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: picked her up and began transporting her to an emergency
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: room in Santa Monica. Writer John Sherlock claims that Monroe's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: last psychiatrist, doctor Ralph Greenson, told him years after Monroe's death,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: that she was alive at home and was being transported
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: by ambulance to Saint John's Health Center when she died
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: en route. She died in the ambulance. Sherlock says, then
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: they took her back to her house because they did
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: not know what to do with somebody that famous taking them.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Greensoon told me that he was in the ambulance, and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: likely it was probably him that instructed them to take
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: her back, you know, they didn't want her to die
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: like this and whatever whatever. I guess they needed to
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: figure it out, I guess. Anthony Summer says what I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: learned was information that changed completely what we thought we
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: knew about her mysterious death, and suggests that the circumstances
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: of her dying was covered up by Ralph Greenson. For years,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: those who were closest to the Buxom Blonde bombshell have
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: not so quietly questioned whether an intentional unliving, an accidental will,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: barbituous overdose which has been officially ruled her cause of death,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: or a politically charged homicide was the true cause of
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: her undoing and director Emma Cooper's Doc Summers, the author
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: of the nineteen eighty five book Goddess, The Secret Lives
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: of Marilyn Monroe, exhumes audio recordings from more than six
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty interviews that he conducted over the decades
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: with Maryland's friends, co workers, employees, and co stars, as
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: well as government officials, to set free the once closeted
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: skeletons of the tortured diva's affections. The tapes I've accumulated
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: while writing the book have never been heard by the public,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: says Summers. What the evidence suggests is that the circumstances
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: around her death were covered up because of her connection
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: with the Kennedy brothers. In the summer of sixty two,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: when the Cold War between the US and the Communist
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Soviet Union was at a fever pitch, both RFK and
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: then JFK abruptly ended their supposed simultaneous years long love
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: affairs with Monroe. At the time, according to his interviews
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: with Federal Operatives, intelligence agencies feared that Monroe, America's Billowing
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: Skirt sweetheart, had actually aligned with communist expatriates that were
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: connected to Cuban revolutionary Fidel Castro and officials who had
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: secretly recorded audio of lusty liaisons between Monroe and the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: brothers Kennedy. They'd meet up at the Malibu, California house
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: of actor and brother in law Peter Lawford. He was
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: married to the Kennedy sister, Patricia at the time, worried
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: that the blonde might be sharing government secrets. They feared
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: she had learned too much during pillow talk with JFK
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: and RFK. Yes, Summer says, it's very possible that Kennedy said, shit,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: she can make public. Will We've been discussing nuclear matters
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: and thought we got to stop all this. We can't
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: deal with her anymore.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, you saw the document I read that they've
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: referenced atomic testing.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Not without some legitimacy.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Now, Bobby Kennedy called her the night of her death
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: from Lawford's house, recounts surveillance expert Read Wilson in the film.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Wilson was a revered eavesdropping operative had been hired by
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: private detective Fred Otash, who was like private detective to
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: the stars back then right, to keep tabs on Monroe
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: and the Kennedys through hidden electronic devices planted in Lawford's house. Otash,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: who had worked both for and against the White House,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: had been commissioned by teamster Jimmy Hoffa to build a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: derogatory profile on the brothers, and according to the surveillance tapes, okay,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: because the way it goes is, Bobby Kennedy went over
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: there at like three three point thirty pm talk to her.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: They got a giant fight, right, which was overheard by
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: the guy laying tile in her kitchen. She had sent
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: her whoever else was around home except for this one's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: Kufuza who's laying tile, right, And he says he heard
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: all this shit, and she said, don't bother me, leave
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: me alone, stay out of my life. Wilson recalls of
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Monroe's ramp. It was a very violent argument. She said,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: I feel passed around. I feel used. I feel like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: a piece of meat. Rose housekeeper Eunice Murray reveals in
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: the documentary that RFK, who reportedly tried to hide the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: fact that he was in Los Angeles on the night
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: of mon Roe's death, even came to the pent up's house.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: She says the two engaged in a contentious argument just
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: hours before her body was later discovered. It became so
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: sticky that the protectors of Robert Kennedy had to step
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: in and protect him, and the inconsistencies around the time, location,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: and discovery of her death are just as curious as
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: her sordid relationships with the Kennedys Credentials authorities. Credentialed authorities
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: like senior FBIS and Jim Doyle told Summers that the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: federal officials swooped down on the late Star's home long
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: before the local police came in, at the reported time
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: of four to twenty five. I was there, says Doyle,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: who doesn't reveal what he did on the scene, but
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: the implication is that the Feds came in to somehow
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: clean up evidence of rfk's association with the deceased Star.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: There were some bureau people there that normally wouldn't have
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: been there. They came on the scene immediately before anybody
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: even realized what happened. It had to be instructions from
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: someone higher up, higher than Director of the FBI jag
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Or Hoover, the Attorney General or the President Law Enforcement
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: and for Harry Hall told Summers that once FBI agents
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: received their marching orders from on high, when Roe's death
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: quickly became a hush hush matter not to be discussed
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: in public. The man that was really involved was the Bass.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: He was the Attorney General of the United States, so
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: he'd have the FBI do anything he wanted. People that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: knew knew that they didn't want Bobby's name brought into
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: this because his brother was the president. They had done
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: everything to hush this up. Otash recalls Bobby Kennedy commissioning
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: him and Wilson to quote, have someone go out to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Monroe's house and pick up any and all information that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: was possible regarding any involvement between Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: He was convinced there were diaries around and maybe a note.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Doyle confirms that records of some sort were removed from
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Monroe's home it happened, he says, despite the Kennedy's questionably
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: close proximity, Summers is almost certain that the seven year
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: inch star was not murdered. He's convinced she either passed
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: from unliving herself or an accidental overdose.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Quote.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I did not find out anything that convinced me that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: she had been deliberately killed, says Somers. I don't know.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, that's what good Joe no
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: I said.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So Summers is saying that he hasn't come across any
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: evidence that she was deliberately killed.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: Correct. Okay, God, Now there's a document out there, folks,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: and it looks like this kind disorder, and it is
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: what it referred to as the Marilyn Monroe UFO document. Specifically,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: the claims revolve around a document mentioning Project Moon Dust,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: a genuine US operation for retrieving space debris with Monroe's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: name associated with it. Some speculate this document suggests Monroe
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: might have been privy to classified information about recovered UFOs
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: or extraterrestrial encounters, potentially gleaned from her associations with high
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: ranking government officials like John F. Kennedy. One document in particular,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: dated shortly before her death, gained attention and reportedly implies
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: to Monroe was going to hold a press conference to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: disclose JFK's knowledge of UFOs and aliens. This claim is
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: often discussed in the context of conspiracy theories about government
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: efforts to silence individuals with potentially damaged classified information. It's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: important to note, oever, that the document itself doesn't explicitly
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: mention UFOs or aliens, but uses term like dead bodies
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: and spacecraft, and the context considered ambiguous. The veracity of
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: the specific document and its connection to Monroe has been
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: subject of debate and has been linked to potential hoaxes
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: and misinformation in the past. It's also important to remember
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: that these are primarily theories and claims, and there's no
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: definitive proof linking Marilyn Monroe's death directly to her knowledge
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: or plan disclosure of UFO related information. So here we
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: have another possible hoax document Joe yeah.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, and uh I think it comes from SKAFFUSA.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Lawrence Cusack the third Apparently he forged about three hundred
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: and fifty documents purportedly linking JFK to Monroe and other claims.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: So in all the confusion, you have some skaffusa making
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: up fake documents and allegedly allegedly right, they are not
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: in the FBI reading room.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: All right, Joe, let's get to the autopsy now, Okay.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: Sure, why don't you? Because people have commented that I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: am I am fading into shadows here. I've become a
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: shadow creature due to the sun setting behind me. So
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: I am going to move inside, why don't you? I
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: have three pinned comments here and look at those, and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: I will start with that in a second once I move.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: All right, see our boy Lee, Harold Oswald, Roger music Man.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: The housekeeper was a little shady, yes she was. And
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: here I'll get big for you. I get big for you.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: Ti Jogie's back. I think she definitely knew more than
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: she let on. Then we got from Brandon, very sad
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: and tragic. I didn't know they were gang ring her.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Sick fox. Yeah, you know, these were entitled, rich, famous people.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: They felt like they could do whatever they want to women.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, all of these guys from Giancana, Sinatra, notorious womanizers.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you were famous or not famous.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Even better, if you were famous, you know, because you
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: can tell your boys about that and brag to them. Hey,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: guess what we did the Marilyn Monroe next weekend? You
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Sick sick, sick, sick traces, Buxom, blonde, bombshell,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: triple b. Well, thank you, Trey. I'll take that, especially
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: the bucks and point. I've got great tits. All right,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: is Joe back? I am in the light? Let us see.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Here? Is he is?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah? There he is?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah. First, let's check out this picture of JFK
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: and RFK with Marilyn Monroe and her rob fantastic Bristol cities.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Do you know what Bristol cities means in Cockney London slang? No?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: But I got a good guess.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: I think your guest is probably right here.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: We call them big old.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Yes. Shout out Sally for teaching me cock mee yes,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Bristol cities titties like the second word oh is rhymes right.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: So of course this is a famous photograph, so I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: wanted to show that once was a man from Nantucket.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: So yes, let's get to the autopsy here and it
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: was done on August fifth, nineteen sixty two. An interesting
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: part which I think the News Nation thing touched on
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: was that although Naguchi, who was like a thirty five
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: year old at that point, corner Is that.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: The right word, or he was like a junior corner.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So they gave the case to him, which
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: of course is very sus according to a lot of people.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Being such a high profile case. Of course he would
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: go on ironically to do RFK John Balucci's a bunch
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: of other people's autopsies. So August fifth corner to the stars, Yes,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: and now we have the Office of the County corner,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles County. The reason is acute barbituate poisoning ingestion
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: of overdose. But it's really what is really interesting about this,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Rob is although Naguchi did it, his his boss right
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: like wrote the like the press release and and and
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: the rest of it. They yes, yeah, So anatomical summary,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna butcher so many words here, Rob, so and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: chat so just a little a little fore knowledge here,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: external examination, lividity of face and chest with slight oh
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: man etymoses on the left side of the back and
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: left hip, surgical scar, right upper quadrant of the abdomen.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: It's bruising to the layman term.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, thank you, I did not know that. Ruby,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: get on the get on the couch, respiratory system, pulmonary congestion,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: and minimal edema, liver and listen. I'm gonna skip some
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: of the ship because you don't want to suffer through
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: me butchering all these words, but external examination. This is
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: kind of the summary. The unembalmed body is that of
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: a thirty six year old, well developed I agree with that,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: well nourished Caucasian female, weighing one hundred and seventeen pounds
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: and measuring sixty five and a half inches in length.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: The scalp was covered with bleached blonde hair. The eyes
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: are blue. The fixed lividity is noted in the face, neck, chest,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: and upper portions of arms and the right side of
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: the abdomen. The faint lividity, which disappears upon pressure, is
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: noted in the back and posteror aspect of the arms
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: and legs. Uh the Conjit, I'm skipping a few things.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Here, but that would definitely make sense too, Joe if
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: she died in the ambulance, because likely she is in
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: the ambulance on her back, and then they went back
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: to the house. And put her face down on the bed.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: She would have slight lividity to the back side of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: her body, but more so on the front, like her
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: chest and face if she's face down on the bed.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: Right right, That's that's a really good point.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: I would point out too, right above where it says
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: external examination number three, congestion and purplish discoloration of the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: klan would indicate the uh trauma to her enus.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, good, that's a really good catch by you, sir.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: The nose shows no evidence of fracture. Okay, so they
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: didn't break their nose. The external auditory canals are not remarkable.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: No evidence of trauma is noted in the scalp, forehead, cheeks, lips,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: or chin. The neck shows no evidence of trauma. Examination
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: of the hands and nails show no defects, so she
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: had no nails breaking, no defense wounds, I guess. The
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: lower extremities show no evidence of trauma. The usual y
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: shaped incision body cavity. The usual y shaped in decision
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: is made to open the theoretic, theoracic and abdominal cavity. Yeah,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just giving this ship, you know. And this goes
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: through the cardiovascular system, the respiratory system, deliver and billery system,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: the hempic and lymphatic system, the endocrime system, the urinary system,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: and I'm not going to bor everyone with that, but
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: the general system. Let's go to that, rob. Sorry. Yes,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: the external genitalia shows no gross abnor malady. Distribution of
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: the pubic hair is a female pattern. The uterus is
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: of the usual size. Multiple sections of the uterus show
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: the usual thickness of the uterine wall without tumor nodules.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: The endometrium is grayish yellow, measuring point zero two centimeters.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: And this I think that is.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: The pubes.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, I think you're wrong. Okay, Well, no grayish
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: yellow pubes.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I think we'll see no polyp or tumors found.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: That's good. The service yeah polyps.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: The cervix is clear, showing no napotheans, christs, cysts. Man,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: I told you this is gonna be a fucking disaster.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: The tubes are intact. The opening of the fimbria are
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: patient patient patent. The right ovary demons straits recent corpus
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: lout hemmer ic, oh my god.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: To the digestive system.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, because this is actually all jokes aside, This is
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: the important part.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, the s o facus, yes, Christ, how do you
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: say it?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: Esophagus uh has a longitudinal folding coza. The stomach is
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: almost completely empty. That's keyword there. Jokes aside. The stomach
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: is almost completely empty. The contents is brownish McCoid fluid.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: The volume is estimated to be no more than two CC's.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: No residue of the pills is noted. Again, no residue
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: of the pills is noted. Very important thing the day
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: after she dies? Right, yes, do we have something?
• 1:35:14
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• 1:35:20
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• 1:35:22
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• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, thank you, appreciate you brother.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look forward to seeing you rept it soon.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Damn straight, Let's go back to.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: My butchering of every other word. A smear, so no
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: residue of the pills is noted. A smear made from
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: the gastric context and examined under the polarized microscope shows
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: no refractile crystals. I have no idea what that means.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Refractile crystals. The micusa mucosa shows marked congestion. I think
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: I know what that is sub muscosa hemorrhage diffusely. This
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: this is horrible. The remainder of the small intestine show
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: no gross ammerality. The appendix is absent. The colon shows
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: marked congestion and purplish discoloration right, which we were talking
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: about before. The fecal context is light brown and formed.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: The mucosa shows no discoloration. The pancreas has a tan
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: loobular architecture. Multiple sections show a patent duc. So again,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: these are just kind of how autopsies read. And I've
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: never read one.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: In the year before, but probably never will again.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: Hopefully not. So this is the man that was. That
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: is rough. I apologize to the audience there. I should
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: have practiced that before. But this is kind of the summary.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: This is by Naguchi's boss, right, Theodore J. Curfree, MD,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Chief Medical Examiner, Corner County of Los Angeles. Now that
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: the final toxicologial report. So let's see, this is the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: seventeenth We have this happening on the.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: Fifth or toxic.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: Toxology. Toxicology toxicology, so we have this happening about twelve
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: days later, it's coming back. The final report reveels that
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: the barbituit previously reported as a lethal dot, has been
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: positively identified as nembutol by the toxicologist. In the course
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: of completing his routine examination. The toxicologist, mister Raymond Abernathy,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: discovered in addition to the nebutahe present a large dose
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: of chloral hydrate. Following is a summary report by the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: psychiatric investigative team which has assisted me and collecting this
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: information about the case. Marilyn Monroe died on the night
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: of August fourth or the early morning of August fifth,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two. Examination by the toxicology laboratory indicates that
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: death was due to a self administered overdose of sedative drugs.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: We have been asked as consultants to examine the life
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: situation of deceased to give an opinion regarding the intent
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: of Miss Monroe when she ingested the sedative drugs which
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: caused her death. From the data obtained, the following points
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: of the most important and relevant. Miss Monroe had suffered
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: from psychiatric disturbance for a long time.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: We went over this before she.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Experienced severe fears and frequent depressions. Mood changes were abrupt
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: and unpredictable among symptoms of disorganizations. Sleep disturbance was prominent,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: for which she had been taking sedative drugs for many years.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: She was thus familiar with an experience in the use
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: of sedative drugs and well aware of their dangers. Recently,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: one of the main objectives of her psychiatric treatment had
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: been the reduction of her intake of drugs. This has
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: been partially successful. During the last two months. She was
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: reported to be following doctor's orders in her use of
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: the drugs, and the amount of drugs found in our
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: home at the time of her death was not unusual.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: In our investigation, we have learned that Miss Monroe had
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: often expected wishes to give up to and to even die,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: and more than one occasion in the past, when disappointed depressed,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: she has made a suicide attempt using sedative drugs. On
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: these occasions she had called for help and been rescued.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: I think that happened twice rob when she had taken
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: too many drugs and then call people saying and they
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: got her stomach pump type of thing.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: So now real quick, just for everybody knows what we're
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: talking about here. Nmbiutoh Okay was a barbituate that access
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: as a depressant or sedative used supposedly supposed to be
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: used short term, that means for a little while, to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: treat insomnia or lack of sleep, so it's It was
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: also used as as an emergency emergency treatment for seizures
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: and to cause patients to fall asleep for surgery. The chlorohydrate,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: the other thing that was found in her, is a
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: synthetic sedative hypnotic drug, primarily used for short term treatment
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: of insomnia anxiety, particularly before medical procedures. It has also
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: been historically used to manage pain after surgery and to
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: treat alcohol withdrawal symptoms. Again, both of these things have
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: been moved away from by you know, modern medicine for
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: safer alternatives. Basically, oh shit, Double B is on fire tonight. Boy, jeez.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: Please remember to keep your trouser a mound and pointed
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: in a safe direction. Keep it away from your eyes.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: It's loaded, that's right. Don't want to go blind, folks.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you Brandon, always a good reminder. Keep your trowel
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: some rouser pointed down.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you Double again for the third time.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: You were the man again. If you're Marilyn Monroe, I
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: doubt you're having trouble getting prescriptions that are supposed to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: be short term fixes. I wanted them, especially Whinster Greenson,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: you know, and you can be like, hey man, I
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: need this, I need that, all right, all right, you
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: know you're paying the doctor handsomely back then. Yeah, and
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: again that could be part of the cover up here.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, with this guy and her dying on his
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: watch is not a good look for doctor Greenson, especially
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: on the way to the hospital. You know, he was
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: probably freaking freaking the fuck out and he was like,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: all right, look, you know, this is Marilyn Monroe. It
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: can't we can't do this. We gotta go back to
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: the house. We gotta figure this out, figure out what
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: we're gonna do, you know, get everything in order before
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: you know, we take it to the hospital, before we
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: call the police, before we get before anything happens. We
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: have to be on top of this, you know, publicity wise,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: figure out what they're gonna do, they're gonna call, how
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: this is gonna go, what they're gonna say, blah blah blah.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because he could be held liable civilly
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: or even worse right criminally, right right, yes, I mean
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: both equally as as scary to it.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, what happened to Michael Jackson's doctor, you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: for the propose stuff.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. So let's got our ducks in
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: a row type of thing before.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: We go to the hospital, right, Yeah, you know it
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: is Is it all just a giant coincidence?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: You know that Robert Kennedy happened to be at her
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: house that day, they happened to get into a huge
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: fight that was caught on the FBI surveillance mics. They
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: were set up in her house, her phones were tapped,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: you know, and it was all just a big hush
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: hush kind of cover up kind of thing. Because they
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: knew they had They pretty much had to go along
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: with whatever scenario doctor Greenson presented to the world because
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: they did not want the truth about Hey, Bobby Kennedy
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: was here a couple hours ago. Hey called back. Oh
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: and by the way, here's her diary. And oh, by
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: the way, here's a crumpled up note she had in
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: her hand with the White House phone number on it
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: when she died. You know, these are all things that
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: were alleged to come up missing because once Kennedy left
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: he went back to Lawford's house and he called her back,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: and she refused to talk to him, and he called
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: back again and was pleading with her, you know, please,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: you know you can't do this, blah blah blah, and
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: basically she screamed at him and hung up on him again.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: And you know, it's just it just wasn't a good
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: look for the country back then to have the president
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: and his brother, the Attorney General the United States involved
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: in something this messy, especially when they were there a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: couple hours ago in.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: The middle of the Cold War.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can understand the want and the need
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: for a cover up in all of this and to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: have things a little skewed, if you will. Now, the
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: odd thing is Joe, you know, the circumstances about this.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: There's no pills in her stomach, but she she owed's
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: on this stuff. There's no puncture marks in her skin.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: The only trauma to her body is a couple of
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: bruises and a very bruised uh a nus, which is sus.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: So how if she, oh deed, how did she do
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: it to herself? Could she have given herself an enema,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: a cocktail and anima cocktail. Yeah, but was this a
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: really big thing that they did back then. I mean,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: much easier just to swallow a bunch of pills, right,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: much easier. I mean you're gonna melt these things down
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: in a warm water concoction and you know, put them
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: in a hot water bottle and squeeze them up your ass.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know coffee enemas are a thing, or
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: at least they used to be, but I you know,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: I just don't know. I don't know.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, coffee animals used to be a thing.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can you expand on this, people, coffee hopefully not hot,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: maybe room temperature, maybe a little warm like lukewarm. Yeah,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: they would give them, right because because the theory.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: The theory is if you do it that way, it
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: hits harder, right.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: And apparently that's the reason. Yeah, the caffeine. Yeah, it's
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: hits harder. Yeah.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting that.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: And of course if you take drugs that way, you
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: hit harder.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is called personal experience. Joe even knows the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: name of it.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: What is it?
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: Boofing?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 6: Okay, what I went to music festivals and we would
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: like joke with people because they'd be like, you know,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 6: like go roll, but like you know, do it through
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: your honest and it hits you harder.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: And like I think a couple of people ever did
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: it even did it?
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Raise your hand if you think Joe is boof No.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: No, I have not. No, I just heard people messing
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: with people.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: I'm sure some watch Joe. You're gonna see a lot
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: of hand emojis in the chat here in.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: Just oh now that you've mentioned it. Yeah yeah, see
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: South and West. Yeah yeah see I'm not the only
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: person that knows about this. It's it's common knowledge. But
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: uh wof.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: But oh yeah. Paula says the coffee animas were used
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: for weight loss as well. Interesting, caffeine is a natural uh.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: Like diuretic or something whatever they call it.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that and appetite suppressant, all right, and it'll
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: flush you, flush you out pretty good. And well, of
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: course any animal will flush you out pretty good. But
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: h m hm, yeah, I know.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Rob the B and Joe B stands for boofy Joey
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: booths And then stay tuned for next week when Rob
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: makes Joey boof merch for me.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: Joey booths merch.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: I try to give some context and this is what
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: I get here.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: Wait till you see the art work for that one, folks.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, it will be here last day on YouTube.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: Peaches waving Rogers, Oh yeah, I love it.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, we try to have fun here, all right.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: Let's see, uh for the information collected about the again
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: events of the evening of August fourth, it is our
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: opinion that the same pattern was repeated for the rescue.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: So again, this is the the boss coroner writing this,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: not Nagucci, which is interesting. Why you would again have
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: your young guy write it, but then you write the
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: conclusion type of thing. The summary. Additional clues for suicide
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: provided by the physical evidence are at one high level
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: of barbitioitz and chlorohydrate in the blood, which with other
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: evidence from the autopsy, indicates the probable ingestion of a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: large amount of drugs within a short period of time.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: Do they realize that the autopsy like is conflicting with itself.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's no proof whatsoever of any pill
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: capsule residue, and there's no like micro crystalline structures of
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: these drugs present in the stomach or small intestines.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: Right, which we saw we saw in Naguchi.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: Rite evidence of the drugs in the blood samples, right,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: and in the bloodstream, not the stomach, which is a problem.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: Right, And I'm going I'm going back to the digestive
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: system summary here, no residue of the pills is noted,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: uh in the digestive system, you know, it's it's it's
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: kind of sus And then number two they give here
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: they go the completely empty bottle of nebutah, the prescription
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: for which was filled the day before. Uh, the ingestion
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: of the drugs ah. So they're saying the pill body
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: was ental empty, so she had to have taken them, right.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: Which screams, Hey, this scene was manipulated by doctor Greenson.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Can't miss number three like overdose, Yeah three, it's a
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: lot yeah. Three. The locked Look how they like kind
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: of sneak this in at the very end of the summary.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: The door, which was unusual.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because they had to break a window or something
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: to get into the room, which which in and of
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: itself takes anybody else out of the equation, right, Like
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: nobody else could have been in there with her because
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: the door. The door was locked right from the inside.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: Right and on the right side here they just kind
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: of I guess this is the test desired ethanol barbituates.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: And then they kind of inventory the capsules that are
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: left remaining, and like if you remember before they said,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: you know, there weren't a high amount of these pills around,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: like they were consistent with the prescription. I guess it's
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: the right word, like for having filled her prescription recently.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: But of course the drama does not end in nineteen
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: sixty two August with her autopsy. Like I showed in
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three, the FBI was talking about article that
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: came out and this is a document in sixty four
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: about a year later to direct the HOOVA from specializing
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: charge New York. On instant date, captured individual advised he
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: is about to publish a seventy page paperback book dealing
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: with the suicide of actress Marilyn Monroe. The book is
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: titled The Strange Death of Marilyn Monroe and will sell
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: for two dollars per copy. He advised that the book
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: will make reference to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: Kennedy's friendship with miss Monroe. He advised that he will
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: indicate that the evidence shows that Kennedy and Monroe were intimate,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: and that Kennedy was in Monroe's apartment at the time
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: of her death, and whether it was the day or
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: the night before or the time, I don't know. But
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: very interesting that they're still keeping tabs on all this
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: because if it meant nothing like why you know? And
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: this is the skufuza. This is from the ARB. Lawrence Cusack,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: the late Lawrence Cusack, was a prominent New York attorney
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: in those fifties sixties who were represented, among other clients,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: the Archdiocese of New York. The Review Board received information
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: that mister Cusack performed some legal work for Joseph P.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: Kennedy WLBJFK and rfk's father, and that mister Cusack's son
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: was engaged in an attempt to sell a group of
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: allegedly salacious documents regarding mister cusacks professional but secret relationship
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: with John F. Kennedy. Documents at issue allegedly contained information
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: regarding JFK's relationship with Marilyn Monroe and with various mafia figures.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: When the media became aware that mister Cusack's son was
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: trying to sell the records, they questioned the authenticity of
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: the documents. The media reported that the documents were forged.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: So I guess that's yeah. That's the guy that had
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: like those three hundred documents that linked Monroe to JFK.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: So the media reported that they were forged. Were there?
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: Were they not? I have absolutely no idea, but very
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: interesting to say the least drop. So that is the
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: autopsy man.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll take you back to a book matrix
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: for assassination by Richard O'Brien. See what he has to say,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: and then we'll get out of here. Just a couple
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: interesting things in here. The weekend before she died, Sinatra
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: escorted her up to his count Nava Lodge in Lake Tahoe,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: which he co owned with Rudin and Sam Guncana, who
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: attended their get together among others. Maryland was drugged into
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: a stupor and gang ard by several mobsters while Sinatra
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: took pictures for apparent blackmail purposes. On Monday morning, she
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: was flown back home by Sinatra and proceeded to place
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: an eight minute call to the Justice Department. The br
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: Fox Company had installed the listening devices inside of Peter
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: Lawford and Marilyn Monroe's holmes. It was run by a
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: surveillance expert named Bernie Spindel. Not only did he contact
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: with federal agencies, but one of his main customers was
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: rfk's arch enemy, Jimmy HAFFA Real to real tapes supposedly
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: existed which confirmed the affair, and also rfk's August fourth
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: visit to Maryland's home. Spindell claimed these were seized during
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: the nineteen sixty sixth raid by the New York DA's office,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: in which twenty eight people were arrested for illegal wiretapping.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: The DA reported, despite Spindell's subsequent boast, that the tapes
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: were in fact heard by staff investigators and none of
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: the tapes contained anything relating to Marilyn Monroe. Right, of
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: course they are. They were destroyed after that, so we'll
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: never know the truth. RFK, of course, was a New
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: York Senator at this time, if you remember correctly, and
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: no compromising material ever surfaced against him. The Lawford and
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: Monroe bugs were personally installed by shakedown Freddie Otash, private
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: Eye to the Stars, which we talked about earlier, and
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: according to James Elroy, author of American Tabloid, after Otash
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: died in nineteen ninety two, Freddie told me he is
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: convinced that Bobby never had an affair with Maryland, and
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: that at the time of Maryland's death, Bobby was interceding
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: on Jack's behalf, trying to get this crazy woman to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: quit calling the President of the United States at the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: goddamn White House. She just died coincidentally. Indeed, there was
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: good reason to doubt there was an RFK and Maryland
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: affair at all. Lawford was the closest and most credible witness,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: if you want to call him credible, among Hollywood's gold diggers.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: Ravaged by nineteen eighty three from substance abuse, he made
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: his admission to biographer C. David Hayman and admitted mossad operative.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: Yet his last wife, Patricia Seaton Lawford, maintained it was
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: a fabrication. So who knows with that? And then he
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: of course goes through the cast of characters who were
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: surrounding Monroe at the time of her death, you know,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: including a doctor Hyman Engelberg, of course, doctor Greenson, Ralph Greenson,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: who was a very suspect in my opinion, handyman Norman Jeffries,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: who I think this was the guy doing her tile. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was retiling Maryland's kitchen floor that final Saturday morning
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  Speaker 4: and essentially remained on her property for the next twenty
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  Speaker 4: three hours until her body was driven off to the morgue.
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  Speaker 4: Yet he was never questioned by police or the press. Now,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety three, Jeffrey stated that she had died
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 4: in her guest cottage and was moved into the house
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: bedroom as a suicide scenario. Ambulances and squad cars arrived
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: at the estate and a police helicopter landed on the
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: nearby golf course and plain clothes officers came and left.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: Ideally your FBI. Then there was a neighbor Otto and
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: Hannah Fenachial, Missus Murray the housekeeper. All kinds of crazy
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: stuff happened at the time of her death, and those
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: neighbors were actually ah. Otto was doctor Greenson's mentor, and
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: he specifically recommended that Maryland by this house because of
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: the close proximity to his mentor auto, so it could
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: be close by. Yeah, Greenson would give nebulous accounts of
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  Speaker 4: his activities that night. He is known to have contacted
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  Speaker 4: doctor Engelberg and asked him to come over to give
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  Speaker 4: marylynd an injection. Engelberg said he was unable to greens
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: and gave her some kind of a sedative, probably in
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: pill form. We know that ain't true. It's important to
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: note that her last confirm injecting injection came from doctor
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: Engelberg around four pm the Friday before, forty two hours
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  Speaker 4: before her autopsy, so she definitely all the drugs in
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: her system cannot be accounted for from that of course. Okay. Now,
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  Speaker 4: in the book Double Cross, Okay, this is the book
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: by Chuck T and Connor Sam g and Conn's nephew,
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  Speaker 4: I believe, Conna supposedly bragged that he'd sent a four
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 4: man hit team over to Maryland's, including the likes of
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee Phil Aldizo, Leonyard Needles, Gianona, James Muggsy Tortorella. They
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: listened in with the eavesdropper Bernie Spindel, waiting for the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: perfect moment to go after. Once inside, they taped their
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: mouth shut and proceeded to insert a specially doctored nembutosis
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: oppository into her annus. The deadly wad had been developed
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: by the same CIA chemists who devised traceless poison lodge
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 4: uses for castro interesting autopsis. Thomas Negucci and John Minor
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: were long puzzled by the star's death due to inconsistencies
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: between her toxicology tests and the actual autopsy itself. As
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: we've pointed out a lot here. Uh In nineteen ninety two,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: Minor came forward and said, the abnormal spot of the
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: colon must be explained. NEGUSI and I were convinced that
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: an enema was decidedly the route of administration of the
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: mortal drug. I've never seen anything like that in an autopsy.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: Something inconceivable happened in the colon of this woman. In
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: two thousand and five, Minors stated that Monroe's death came
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: as a result of a heavy dose of chlorohydrate coupled
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: with barbituates of a massive amount that entered her body
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: through the large intestine. So there you have it from
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: Naguchi's contemporary of the time and what he believed happened.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: This suppository was supposedly been supplied to Gen Connor's killers
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: when they arrived in California, obtained by the CIA. Interestingly enough,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: conclusion of the orchestrator of all this is none other
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: than James Jesus Angleton for whatever reason, which we implicate
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: him in the second death in addition to Mary pintro
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: Meyer and the second taking of a diary. In such instances,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 4: so interesting and interesting, and there's more in this book
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 4: and it goes into a lot more of the theories.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he claims Angleton was behind it all and
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: he supplied the uh the lethal enema to members of
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: the mafia on at the behest of sam G and Conna.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: So very interesting, and not too longly after Marilynd's death,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: sam G and Kanna would get the hell out of
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: the United States, by the way and head to Mexico
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: for some ten years and convenient timing coincidence or did
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: he did he get while the geitting was good if
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because he figured maybe this
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: comes back on me, I'm not going to be here
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: to find out.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: Well, but he found out when he got back to Chicago, so.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: He did. He sure did.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, man. I didn't think there was that
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: much to this, But after reading the autopsy report and
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: and and everything we've talked about today with the pills
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: undiagnosed and the on us, which of course I is
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: how borat said it right, which I like. Uh, and
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: of course I said, I'm sorry I was I cut
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: in and out.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: And of course this is.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: All coming back in the news because I guess it's
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: the sixty third anniversary of this, and there was a
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: new book l a Corner, Thomas Degucci and the Death
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood and Death in Hollywood, and it touches on,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: of course, Marilyn and uh, let me see. During his autopsy,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: Nagucci thirty seven at the time, checked to see if
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: Monroe had been injected with any sort of drugs. The
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: Gucci checked the usual spots, the cork of the elbow,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: the upper thigh, and fingers toes. He found none. He
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: pushed aside her platinum blonde hair to examine her scalp. Nothing.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: After turning her right side up, he turned a tray
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: of tools, picked up a scalpel, and began the familiar
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: why incision. At the time, Naguchi had noted Monroe had
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: died of an overdose of sleeping pills, a routine suicide. However,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: alarm bells went off in his head and quote when
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: the toxicology results arrived, and of course, like we went
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: over rob the toxicology came in on the seventeenth, and
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: his autopsy was done on the fifth, so he would
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: have written his report before he got the results back, so.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: He definitely was Southwest Old af yep rip to Thomas Noguche.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we figured that would be a pretty
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: fun show and not exactly sure what to think. But
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: I think I'm coming off from this episode with a
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: little more sussness than I had going into it. I
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: always just kind of waved it away, right, Yeah.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think the Kennedy's were involved in
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: the death. I think it was bad timing on rfk's
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 4: part to be there the same day she died. But
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: I can also see the reason, given the circumstances, to
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: cover this up, and not just cover it up, but
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: bury this shit, you know. But I can also see
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: a reason for the people that were at the cant
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: David Lodge, including Sam g and Kanna who owned part
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: of it and was there after doing what they'd did
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: that weekend tour. You know, they might have felt the
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: need to zipp her up. I don't know.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I guess they probably got nervous
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: after that, like, oh oh shit, We just like screwed
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 3: with the most famous woman in the world.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, because if she came out, this happened.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: Right, So whatever happened in the heat of moment or whatever,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: whatever their motivations were at the time, like a couple
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: of days after, they might have been like, oh crap,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: this is bad, you know type of thing.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, after they're like, oh my god, what we do?
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, exactly exactly?
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: So yeah, wow, wild stuff.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: So thank you Paula for the topic recommendation. We hope
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: everyone enjoyed it. It's been a fun two hours and
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: eleven minutes. And uh, I'll let you say it.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: Get the damn dog, Joe Ruby Hubert.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 7: There she is, all right for Joe Joey Booth, it's
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 7: your boy, Triple B Rob Clark.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: And this has been another exciting episode of the Logging Podcast.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: We hope you enjoyed it. We'll be back sometime soon
• 2:11:49
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• 2:11:53
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• 2:11:56
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• 2:11:58
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• 2:12:23
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• 2:12:27
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