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Bachelor Breaking News: This time it's Personal · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today is
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  Speaker 2: a special episode because there is so many bachelor headlines
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  Speaker 2: going on that we wanted to dedicate a whole podcast
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  Speaker 2: to it. Ben's here and Ben with the headlines is
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  Speaker 2: a kind of about you.
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  Speaker 3: Goodness gracious, Yeah, we really wanted to jump on and
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  Speaker 3: talk about all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Should we start with that one?
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  Speaker 3: Nah, Let's start with this one. Claire Crawley has a
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  Speaker 3: gender reveal and it's a girl.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it that? Like I didn't even think that
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  Speaker 2: there was a possibility of Claire having a boy, Like
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  Speaker 2: in my head she announced that they were having a
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  Speaker 2: baby and it was a girl, Like there was there
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  Speaker 2: was just there's no way that Claire Crawley is having
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  Speaker 2: a boy.
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  Speaker 3: It is a girl. She has revealed it. Her and
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  Speaker 3: her husband are very excited. This is just crazy to me.
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  Speaker 3: It really is crazy to me, Ashley that now we
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  Speaker 3: sit here and we talk about Claire Crawley being a mother,
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  Speaker 3: Like it feels like we were just talking about her
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  Speaker 3: having a breakup, and then we talked about how her
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  Speaker 3: having a wedding, where like finally it happened, and now
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  Speaker 3: she's a mom. It's like Claire has grown up in
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  Speaker 3: front of our eyes in the last eighteen months, and
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  Speaker 3: it's such a cool thing to see.
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  Speaker 2: It's really honest, is when something starts rolling for people,
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  Speaker 2: really starts to roll, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And I love it for her. She has such feminine energy.
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  Speaker 2: She's so maternal. I can only imagine how well she'll
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  Speaker 2: raise a little woman.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: Should we say how we did it? She did it okay,
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  Speaker 2: So it's really cool. I guess like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people do the whole pink cake or blue cake on
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  Speaker 2: the inside, but she did it in like such a
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  Speaker 2: cool way. You have to see her Instagram. She did
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  Speaker 2: it so slowly and it's so artistically the cut of
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  Speaker 2: this cake. But she says she knew one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: in her soul that it was going to be a girl.
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  Speaker 3: How does how do moms know this, Ashley?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I definitely knew I was gonna have
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  Speaker 2: a boy, and in my head, I just know the
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  Speaker 2: next one's going to be a boy too, Like there's
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  Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind. I even refer to him
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  Speaker 2: as him wild. I mean, I might be wrong, I
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  Speaker 2: might be wrong, but.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that is just like really crazy because I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I hear this all the time where somebody's
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  Speaker 3: like the mom always says like, I know it's a boy,
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  Speaker 3: and then usually always is. I don't have many gender
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  Speaker 3: reveal examples to pull back in my life on, but
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  Speaker 3: I do have a few, and it feels like the
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  Speaker 3: mom always knows. The dad has no clue, He's just guess.
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  Speaker 3: We have some breakup rumors to get to today. We
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  Speaker 3: also have an interview with Lauren Lane formerly Lauren Bushnell.
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  Speaker 3: She came on Sean's podcast, and Sean did bring that
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  Speaker 3: up to us when he came on our podcast talking
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  Speaker 3: about his recent developments in life. Let's start with this
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  Speaker 3: breakup rumor. Though Greg and Victoria, this is a couple
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  Speaker 3: obviously came off of Paradise, Bachelor Nation had let's just say,
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  Speaker 3: a dramatic response to their relationship because obviously Victoria was
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  Speaker 3: in a relationship going into the final episode. Then rumors
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  Speaker 3: started to fly that her and Greg were together. Then
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  Speaker 3: it got posted on social media that they were hanging out,
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  Speaker 3: and then publicly they came on the show and showed
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  Speaker 3: that they had matching tattoos and they were in love
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  Speaker 3: and their relationship blossom from there. But Bachelor Nation fans
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  Speaker 3: now are thinking they're broken up.
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  Speaker 2: Well not anymore, okay. So it had been circulating for
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  Speaker 2: quite some time because Victoria went seven weeks without posting Greg, which,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest, is a really long time when you're
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  Speaker 2: in a relationship where you're both from Bachelor Nation, right
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  Speaker 2: and you're known for Josh relationships. So it was on
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  Speaker 2: his birthday about seven weeks ago that she said happy birthday,
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  Speaker 2: I love you, and then there was very few of
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  Speaker 2: the two of them present together on social media. Greg
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  Speaker 2: was doing a lot of his like BROI posts with
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  Speaker 2: his guys from his season, and fans were commenting stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that you could break up single. Greg is back.
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  Speaker 2: But just this week Victoria posted a whole little slide
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  Speaker 2: show on her Instagram feed that they're together now. She
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  Speaker 2: first posted a couple of stories to your Instagram which
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  Speaker 2: seemed like they could have been throwbacks, and then people
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  Speaker 2: were like, oh, they're just trying to give it more
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  Speaker 2: time before they announced. But then she posted something that
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  Speaker 2: seemed very in the moment to her feed.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think Ashley knowing this world, knowing the
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  Speaker 3: couples that exist within this world, knowing how the couples
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  Speaker 3: try to operate. Do you think there was a rough patch?
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  Speaker 3: Do you just think they were traveling separately and doing
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  Speaker 3: their own things for a bit, which is totally healthy
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  Speaker 3: for couples to do. Or do you just think they
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  Speaker 3: weren't posting.
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  Speaker 2: If I were to assume, I would assume that they
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  Speaker 2: probably went through a rough patch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean a lot of the Bachelor Nation
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  Speaker 3: couples have gone through rough patches. In fact, Jojo and
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  Speaker 3: Jordan came on this podcast and mentioned how they were
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  Speaker 3: kind of at a breaking point where they said, were
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  Speaker 3: either going to end this thing or we're going to
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  Speaker 3: stay together and make it work. But I think every
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  Speaker 3: relationship like it isn't shocking, nor is it a headline.
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  Speaker 3: If a couple goes through a tough patch in life
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  Speaker 3: and they make it through, usually you're stronger for it.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. That is so true.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this next headline is so speaking. Yeah. So Caitlin
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  Speaker 3: and Jason is another couple the Bachelor Nation has increasingly
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  Speaker 3: been talking about here over the last few weeks leading
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  Speaker 3: up to the last two days, where it feels like
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  Speaker 3: these rumors are getting hotter and hotter, and it feels
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  Speaker 3: like the public is starting to tap into something they
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  Speaker 3: believe now is true and it's not just a rumor.
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  Speaker 3: But Caitlin and Jason are rumored to be broken up now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if we call this a rough patch
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  Speaker 3: because right now we don't have any examples of the
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  Speaker 3: two of them together publicly in quite some time, but
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  Speaker 3: actually breakdown where these rumors started and kind of what
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  Speaker 3: we know today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's probably been rumors speculating since they started.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like you're there are always rumors about breakups.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's probably been a lot this year because
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  Speaker 2: they've been like pretty vocal about not being keen on
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  Speaker 2: wedding planning. Because at first they were pretty gun hoe
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  Speaker 2: about wedding planning, you know, and then they kind of stopped,
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  Speaker 2: and it seemed like they backtracked. When they stopped, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like, oh, we're just going to do something small,
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  Speaker 2: we'll figure out on our time. It was almost like
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  Speaker 2: they were saying that they weren't like excited about wedding plans,
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  Speaker 2: and like whenever they'd sit down to two of them,
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  Speaker 2: they just would decide not to do it when that
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  Speaker 2: was the initial intention, and then they were just like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's always been open about what's going on
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  Speaker 2: on her podcast, and they did podcasts together and there
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  Speaker 2: was always there was there was some tension in some
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  Speaker 2: of them.
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  Speaker 3: Does she talk about this on our podcast?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when she's last talked about her relationship
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  Speaker 2: with Jason, but you know, she's honest about like little
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  Speaker 2: tips that they'd have. So I think that the fandom
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  Speaker 2: right now is like, Okay, you guys have been more
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  Speaker 2: so than ever not posting about each other, especially over
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  Speaker 2: the past two months. The last time I think they
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  Speaker 2: were photographed together was in June, like mid June, at
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  Speaker 2: like a music festival, and it was an event. And
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  Speaker 2: this week the two of them were on separate vacations
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  Speaker 2: and Caitlyn has posted multiple things on Instagram that have
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  Speaker 2: led us to think that she's having quite the emotional week.
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  Speaker 2: She posted one thing about her crying like Instagram versus
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  Speaker 2: Reality moment, and a couple other things about just like
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  Speaker 2: her mental space. You know, if she posted the lyrics
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  Speaker 2: of her song that came out I think it was
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  Speaker 2: three or four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm oblivious to the reality or the truth
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  Speaker 3: to the situation, but I you know, it was intriguing
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  Speaker 3: back in the day when we kind of came out
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  Speaker 3: with a headline that she was on a wellness retreat.
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  Speaker 3: Now I am at the time you see somebody going
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  Speaker 3: a wellness retreat, like, good for you, especially somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin who's very busy and gets pulled in a thousand directions.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice to step away. Now, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: maybe that was just a hey, I need to get away,
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  Speaker 3: I need to do my thing. We're not doing well here,
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  Speaker 3: like I need to go get some support. You need
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  Speaker 3: to go get some support. Let's come back together and
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  Speaker 3: see if we can make it work. Who knows the
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  Speaker 3: reasoning for that. But she did go to a wellness
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  Speaker 3: treat And my point to this is in their relationship,
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  Speaker 3: it was not shocking to me that they didn't post
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  Speaker 3: with each other because they have spent a lot of
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  Speaker 3: time separated from each other in their relationship, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Caitlyn went on Dancing with the Stars. She then went
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  Speaker 3: on tour. Jason was back in Nashville for that period
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  Speaker 3: of time. Then he does his own thing and he
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  Speaker 3: starts traveling around, and it felt like even from you
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  Speaker 3: a friend yet fans perspective, they were kind of crossing
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  Speaker 3: pass you know, never really being in one place together.
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  Speaker 3: But it never made me think that anything was wrong
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  Speaker 3: when they stopped posting on social media, because I was
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  Speaker 3: kind of used to them doing their own thing and
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  Speaker 3: still making it work back at home. The only time,
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  Speaker 3: ashulely that I've started to, I guess go in the
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  Speaker 3: camp of, hey, something's going on here, Like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what it is. It's not up to me to
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  Speaker 3: define and say, hey, yeah, they're definitely separated, they're not
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  Speaker 3: together anymore, et cetera. Was I think last evening two
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  Speaker 3: days ago. Maybe it was when she posted on her
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  Speaker 3: social media and she posted this. She posted, I cannot
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  Speaker 3: believe the audacity of people to expect things from me
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  Speaker 3: when I haven't even been able to process things for myself.
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  Speaker 3: Have a effing heart. You're scaring me with your comments
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  Speaker 3: and demands. I'm almost worried about you. She posted this
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  Speaker 3: and then took it down. But even if she just said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: people stop bothering me, I'd be like, cool, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's going on in their life. But the comment this.
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  Speaker 3: This is the line that stit out to me. I
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  Speaker 3: cannot believe the audacity of people to expect things from
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  Speaker 3: me when I haven't even been able to process things
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  Speaker 3: for myself. So she's processing something that she's not ready
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  Speaker 3: to come out publicly with. We're not here to force her.
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  Speaker 3: She's not coming on the pot. We're not like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: and here's Caitlin to talk about the relationship. But something's
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  Speaker 3: going on. We can say that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I feel bad of obviously, like this is like
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  Speaker 2: why fandom, Why guys do you why are you demanding
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  Speaker 2: that she lets you know this?
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  Speaker 3: It's not to you. First off, It's kind of similar
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  Speaker 3: to when couples go into a relationship for the first time, right,
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  Speaker 3: and you have your first couple of dates, and because
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  Speaker 3: you're a part of bachelination and because you're known for
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  Speaker 3: your dating now people are like, you need to tell
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  Speaker 3: everybody about it, like exactly, It's like, well, one, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not ready. Two that puts a whole new level of
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  Speaker 3: pressure on me. Three think about this. When Caitlin and
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  Speaker 3: Jason say the situation is not good, let's just say
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  Speaker 3: that we don't know, but let's say something's going on
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  Speaker 3: there and they publicly say, hey, either we're taking a break,
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  Speaker 3: or hey, yes we went through a rough patch, or hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're really doing good, whatever it may be. Then every
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  Speaker 3: interview that Jason or Caitlin does for the next six
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  Speaker 3: months is gonna be about something that either way is
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  Speaker 3: very difficult for them to speak about. They probably aren't
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  Speaker 3: ready to answer those questions.
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  Speaker 2: If you are one of those people who are dming Caitlin,
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  Speaker 2: just tell us just a need confirmation it, think and
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  Speaker 2: reflect upon your message here. Why does it matter to
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  Speaker 2: you whether you know for certain if they are broken
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  Speaker 2: up or not?
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  Speaker 3: And I can guarantee you your message to Kaitlin is
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  Speaker 3: not going to be the thing that convinces her to
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  Speaker 3: tell anybody. She's gonna do it when she wants just
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  Speaker 3: knowing Kaitlin. However, there is a sense, Ashley, where when
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  Speaker 3: fans do message about certain things, there is a sense
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  Speaker 3: of caring.
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  Speaker 2: And intrigue and interest.
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  Speaker 3: Which is something that Caitlyn has right and she should
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  Speaker 3: she is proud of. That is how her podcast has
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  Speaker 3: become so popular is because people are very invested into
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  Speaker 3: her life and as a result, very invested into Jason's life,
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  Speaker 3: very invested in her happiness and health and Jason's happiness
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  Speaker 3: and health, and so it doesn't shock me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a part here with Caitlyn was sitting
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  Speaker 3: in front of me, I'd say, yeah, you knew it
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  Speaker 3: was going to be this way. Has it ever not
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  Speaker 3: been this way? When you don't share anything, people are
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  Speaker 3: going to start to assume and they're going to start
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  Speaker 3: to question. So don't be mad at them for that.
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  Speaker 3: That's just the thing that happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I understand, I totally somewhere in between.
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  Speaker 2: She definitely has to just appreciate, and I think she
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  Speaker 2: does her audience who really feel like they know her
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  Speaker 2: so well and care about her a lot. I just
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  Speaker 2: hope that these messages are with what kindness and not
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  Speaker 2: just like why are you telling us you're terrible?
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to be like No, I those are
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  Speaker 3: not helpful, They're not good. I'm sure they exist. I
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  Speaker 3: hope people are coming from a place of, hey, Caitlin.
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  Speaker 2: We're thinking about you, we care about you, like we're
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  Speaker 2: here for you if you need us one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so myself. But we don't know anything outside
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  Speaker 3: of that. We do know that that post was put
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  Speaker 3: up on her social media. We do know that the
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  Speaker 3: rumors are swirling. We do know that people are getting
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  Speaker 3: more and more intrigued. Something is happening there. We just
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  Speaker 3: don't know what. And we'll say, hey, we can't confirm
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  Speaker 3: or deny these rumors at this time, but what we
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  Speaker 3: can do is say, if she and Katelyn, or if
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin and Jason are not ready to speak about it publicly,
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  Speaker 3: we should allow them that space because that also shows
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  Speaker 3: that the reallyship meant a lot to the two of them,
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  Speaker 3: which is obvious that it did.
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  Speaker 2: And on theme, Michael Alio and Danielle Maltby, who may
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  Speaker 2: have celebrated their one year dating anniversary last month, also
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  Speaker 2: have been posted of each other for a few weeks,
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  Speaker 2: and Danielle did move to the Akron, Ohio area a
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  Speaker 2: few months ago to be closer to Michael and his family.
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  Speaker 2: So time will tew whether this social media silence is
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  Speaker 2: well telling. Let me flip this on you for a second, okay,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like you've had more public breakup than
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  Speaker 2: I ever had, So, like, did you when you were
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  Speaker 2: in the midst of breaking up? What was your social
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  Speaker 2: media activity like? Were you like going dark? On it,
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  Speaker 2: or were you posting unrelated things? Because to me, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: in the midst of all this, Jason just posting as
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  Speaker 2: if like it's his normal life and he's like posting
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  Speaker 2: with his mom and the dogs and all that. It's
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  Speaker 2: just creating more speculation because Caitlin is continuously absent. If
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  Speaker 2: they just went blank dark, I'd be like, yeah, like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you guys even speculating they're just taking some
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  Speaker 2: time off social.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlyn has been active on social media.
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  Speaker 2: Right yeah, yes, she has two.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she has two well one Ashley. It's very different
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  Speaker 3: for me to be active on social media compared to
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin and Jason. My activity on social media is never
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  Speaker 3: at the volume that the two of them, you know,
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  Speaker 3: consistently produce, because they're both very involved in that world,
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  Speaker 3: and Jason, you know, has a career in that world.
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  Speaker 3: And so for me personally, I probably went dark. I'm
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  Speaker 3: assuming nobody noticed, because they'd be like, hey, Ben hasn't
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  Speaker 3: posted in two weeks, and most people would be like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, oh of course he hasn't. Well, we have
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  Speaker 3: some breaking news coming through right now. That kind of
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  Speaker 3: distracted me from my train of thought. Caitlin has recently
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  Speaker 3: posted on social media. Here's what it says. This is
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  Speaker 3: as of like right now. She just posted something on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram with the caption, got it tough enough if I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to fight the noise. It's to a workout video.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know what that means. Let's read that again. Got
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  Speaker 3: it tough enough? If I'm going to fight the noise,
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  Speaker 3: Let's just pause there for a second. Fans and and listeners,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tough enough to fight the noise. I'm assuming
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  Speaker 3: the noise is in reference to the people asking her
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  Speaker 3: if her and Kaitlyn or if her and Jason are
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  Speaker 3: still together. But I'm wondering if Caitlyn is right now
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  Speaker 3: doing the thing that most of us in this world
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  Speaker 3: do when we're not feeling our best and when we're
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  Speaker 3: emotional and when things feel heavy and chaotic, is we
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  Speaker 3: focus on the negative comments and the negative noise instead
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  Speaker 3: of anything positive and loving. I'm guessing that's where Caitlyn's
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  Speaker 3: coming from, and what she's speaking to is she's noticing
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  Speaker 3: that people are getting more and more anksy, more and
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  Speaker 3: more let's say, irritated. They're wanting to know, and as
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  Speaker 3: a result, they're getting more desperate in their messaging. She's
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  Speaker 3: seeing this, that's noise she's speaking about, and she doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like it. Ashley, do you agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're probably right. We think that noise is
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: is people like criticizing her. Possibly, like right, she's ready
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to go into the announcement that they broke up. Perhaps
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: this is all very sad. It really really sucks.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: It really does. And we're kind of in this world
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: we're at today, which is such a new phenomenon. We're
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: watching this kind of play out in front of our eyes.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Like now Caitlin is, you know, posting pictures with I
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: believe a new tattoo. She's you know, obviously telling us that, hey,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: you know, stop making me talk about it or stop
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: asking me to talk about it. I'm not ready to
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: She's doing a workout video, Like we're kind of seeing
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: this play out in her coming to this, you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: to the public now was something I just don't know when,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And I don't think we need to push her or
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Jason to say when. It's just sad. I like them together.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: It worked out. It was a good relationship. From what
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: it seemed from the outside, it felt like it had
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: had a lot going for it for a long time. Again,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're together or not. I mean,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: how big a shaker now would it be if they
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: came back like, no, we've been happy for the last
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: five years together. Like, I don't know what you guys
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: are talking about, Like that'd be great. I love that,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I know, you know, but it's it's not feeling like
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: it's going to the direction.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm sorry, obviously I am like a little
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: bit quieter on this end because I do feel it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: just an awkward situation to talk about your friend's relationship
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: publicly when you haven't been, like we haven't been on
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the inside of it. I haven't seen them for a while.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of that, let's talk about my past.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Relationship to Caitlin. But I have not pride about her
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: relationship lately, So I just, yeah, let's move on to Ben's.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I feel much more comfortable talking about your well, you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: know why, because I'm talking to you about it. You know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not like just presuming things.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: So I was giving the heads up everybody listening that
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I was going to be asked to speak about Lauren
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and Shawn's recent podcast where they talked a lot about
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: The Bachelor that they both knew. Yeah, Caitlin, yeah, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I haven't listened to it. Ashley and Hannah did listen
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: to it. Okay, I'll let you guide me through this.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: What are some of the things that I'm responding to
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: or what are some of the things said? I do
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: know they talked a lot about a show that they
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: seemed to dislike, but yet they talked about a lot
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: which I don't really talk about things I dislike too
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: much other than clowns. But the two of.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Them certainly had enough to say about them just feeling
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: they weren't like great fits to be a part of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the Bachelor franchise. There was a couple of things that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: stand out to me as far as what pertains directly
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to you then, Okay. One was that Lauren definitely made
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: it seem like your love was like not like a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: great love to her, it was more of like a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: young love. And she said that maybe Sean felt more
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: strongly because he was closer to thirty and she was
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like twenty four.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, So the question here is how do I respond
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to that? Is that what the question is? Okay? Cool?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: And the question is how does that make you feel bad?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: How does that make me feel? Well? First off, I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: don't believe that age has any any impact on love.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I know people who have fallen in love at a
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: very young age and are very much in love. I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: know people who have fallen in love at a very
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: old age aka hopefully Gary coming up on the Gold Bachelor.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: You know, I think love is something that comes about
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: in the least expected ways, at some of the most
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: unexpected times. Personally, I hear her say love now maybe
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: feels differently for her than it did back on her
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: time on the show, and I go, I'm glad, like
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you're married with kids. I'm married, Like, yes, love does
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: feel different. I'm glad you're in love with your husband
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: more than you liked me, or if you like me
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: at all, Like, I'm just glad you like him, Like
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: that's cool. That seems to be a really good thing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You know, that show was very real for me. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: will say. The only point to this that upsets me
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: at all, not like upsets me angrily, just like would
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: make me frustrated, would be that show is a real
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: experience for me. I invested, personally a lot of effort
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: into trying to figure out if it was the path
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: that it was going to help me find my partner
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: or not. I had a lot of incredible women on
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: that show and a lot of incredible people, and if
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: she was feeling this way, I wish she would have
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: maybe made that more apparent during the process. Maybe she
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: didn't know, Maybe she maybe was going too fast and
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: there's just too many variables and she couldn't figure that out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And that's fine. It worked out for both of us
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: very well. But I think discounting that season of life
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: is not fair to either of us because it was
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: a meaningful season of life. It was something that impacted
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: us both greatly and what it did for me and
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: what I believe it probably did for her. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I cared about Lauren a lot, still care about her.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I want to see her thrive in life. I have
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: nothing but good. Really, it's kind of funny. I only
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: have good memories of our time together. I don't have
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of bad memories.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: That's good, that's so nice.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But we were we right for each other. Heck no,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I'm right with Jess, she's right with Chris. Like I'm
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: glad it played out the way it did. I just
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: hope within all that, there's not a we're not pushing
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: that season aside, because what it did do is it
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: helped me see, Hey, what I'm looking for in a
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: partner or what I think I need in a partner
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: is XYZ And that's what I found in my wife now.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm guessing she did the same thing with Chris.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: So I think the language that maybe we're using around
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: the show just feels like they're kind of saying, hey, like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't for me whatever, Well, you both ended up with
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the person at the end, and so maybe it was
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: for you, But maybe that was part for you. Wasn't
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: that you were gonna marry that person? Maybe this was
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a good Maybe you should look back on this time
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and say it was a great stepping stone into finding
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: your future partner. Maybe it was perfect for you. Maybe
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the Bachelor World was the best thing for you because
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: it helped you see and meet your future partners.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So all in all, I agree with what she's saying.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: My love now feels very differently than it did back then,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: and I'm really glad that I found the love that
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I have today. But I also am very glad that
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I had their relationship I did with her when I
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: had it, because it taught me a lot.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I do you feel like there's a little perspective missing
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: from the interview where a lot where a lot of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: what they were saying, like they weren't acknowledging the fact
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: that where they are in life, it's most likely happened
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: because of the Bachelor.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I think all of our lives, even if like
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: it exactly, it hasn't affected you at all. Like I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: think even the people who go home week two would say, Hey,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: that Bachelor World like changed the course of my life
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: even a little bit, And as a result, now five
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: years later, it's changed my life a lot. Like I
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: think all of us have been impacted because we went
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: on a television show and we are maybe recognized by
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: one more person, or when we apply for a job
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: interview that person says, hey, I saw you on TV
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and I liked you on TV. Let's hire you. Like
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: it has an impact, and it's just what you do
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: with it. If you see it as this really negative thing,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: it's always going to be a negative thing. If you
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: try to see that, hey, maybe this brought some good,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you can start to see the good in it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: All.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Another thing I want to bring up to you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: is she imagined that she met Chris while she was
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Mm she did say that. M. Yeah yeah, good for them, all.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, majority did you know did you know this?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I did know this? Yeah, this was very clear to me. Again,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Like I guess I look back on that now. If
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you would have asked me this and you know this
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: right like when this podcast started, you to ask me
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: some of these questions, like I would have probably been
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: frozen and ended up in tears, like I just would have.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: And I'm assuming like she would say the same thing,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: like it was very emotional back then for me. But
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: now with where our pasts have gone again, mostly when
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: it comes to our relationships and who we are in
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: love with and who we're committing to, I look back
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: now and I'm like, I'm glad it worked out the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: way it did. Maybe it wasn't pretty during the time,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't fun during the time, maybe it didn't
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: seem my deal or fair or all those things that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: you can wrap up in this, But you look back
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: now and you're like, I'm glad it worked out like this,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Like this is good. It doesn't mean it didn't come
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: without pain. You know the thing that I the thing
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: that I do want to say in protection of myself
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: for the first time ever. Okay, Yeah, and I took
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and I took it on the chin. I did for
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the both of us and just for ever, you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: for the good of the cause was back then, I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: remember because of the Ben and Lauren Happily Ever After special.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: It made me look like I had cold feet. Did
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I have cold feet? Yes? Because I knew we weren't
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: right for each other. Things were not going down a
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: path that seemed like a happily engaged couple should be
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: going down.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it was appropriately called Happily Ever After question Mark.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: It did not meet like I felt like that show
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: and the public perception was that I ended this relationship.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Do you think so? Well, maybe it's just because I
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: know too much much. I thought it was more.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it felt like the relationship ended because I
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't ready to take the steps forward that you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the show was really asking us to take. Hey, let's
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: have your wedding on TV, Let's tell advise it, let's
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: pay you to do it. And I said, I know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: like this, this isn't this is not going to work.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: We both know this, and and we both are very
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: clear on this. This this is not a relationship that
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: either of us are going to pursue. We were We
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: know that we don't have much time left. In fact,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: we're trying to hold this together like by a thread,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: and that threat is breaking as we spoke. And so
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I just would say and I and I and I
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: know Lauren would I hope Lauren would not be mad
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: at me for saying this. We like did not end
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: because I had cold feet like that. That was not
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: the that that was not the reason. And so the
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: public saying I wasn't ready, how could I go on
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to be the Bachelor if I wasn't ready for marriage?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Like that was not fair to me. It wasn't because
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: it wasn't true to me. We just weren't right for
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Ben, just letting you know that, like, yes, maybe I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: too entrenched personally. I don't think that was ever the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: public perception, even if the show was making it seem
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: like that. No, no, no, even if the show is
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: making it seem like you had gold Vie, I never
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: thought that it seemed like in the public arena that
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you were the one to end the relationship, it either
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: seemed very mutual or it sort of seemed like she
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: ended it because she was the one who got a
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: boyfriend kind of quickly after it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who wasn't Chris.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It was not Chris, ln it was not Chris.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, I mean I think it was very mutual.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I will say it was a very mutual breakup. And again,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I think for anybody listening wondering, like you can see
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the beauty in the breakup now, maybe not to time, Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: but the beauty and the breakup was that we ended.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It wasn't easy, it wasn't fun. When people reach out
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: now wondering what it feels like to go through a
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: really tough breakup, I can speak to it. But I
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: know over time it is a piece of my life
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: that I'm also very thankful for. I look back on
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: that season of life and say, I'm glad we tried it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we learned about it. And then yes, we
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: were younger back then, and it led me down to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: find my partner who was the perfect partner for me
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: and I and I have no emotion wrapped around my
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: past relationship with Lauren. I have no like you could
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: not get me to cry if that's one way you
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: want to get me a cry. That is not an
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: avenue to go down, even though at the time it was.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: And so I just, you know, I just look back
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: on the Bachelor World with a lot of like gladness
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: because I think it did help me come to my wife.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I totally get that. And I tell people
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: all of the time when they're like single and feel
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: like they're struggling, I'm like, you'll look back one day
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: when you're happily with somebody and you're going to be like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to see the weird beauty in the heartbreak
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and the struggle of it all.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Wait, that's what you tell people, you know what I
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: tell people when they're single and you tell them to
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: live it up. I tell them, hey, God never promised
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: us a partner, so you might be single forever. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: what I want you to do with that is become
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: very happily single and content on your own, because once
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: you do that, then a partner is just icing on
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the cake.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I Okay, well there's that, and then normally that's partner
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: comes into the picture is when you have it all together,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: when you're happy by yourself, all right, well, that's interesting
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that we have such different advice to singles. Okay, there's
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a few more things I just want to mention, one
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: being that overall, Sean had nice things to say about
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Kaitlin and and Lauren had nice things to say about you.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Really did they thought that you guys were both a wonderful, charismatic,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: likable leads.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I just wish there was something out like that's great
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: and I have I would have full confidence if you
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: want them to talk.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: To you about you as a human being, as a
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: lead of a show.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It makes me sound like I was just like a character,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: and I mean that's not fair, but I get it,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: like they I would have no questions that Lauren would
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: speak highly of me. That's not like a fear of mine.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't know with this podcast, with some of the
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: like editing of the trailers, I was like shocked, goodness gracious,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Like they went hard at me. And that doesn't seem
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: fair because Sean went to my wedding as a friend,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: and I think Lauren would look back and say, hey, like,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: no it didn't work out, but like we don't hate
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: each other. There's no way I will here like we're
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: both happy for each other, and so I didn't. Again,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't listen to the podcast, but from the notes
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that are sitting in front of me, and from the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: words of you and.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: From me who did listen to the podcast half of us.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It did sound like they were They were overall very
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: nice to the two of us, which is good and expected.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: It would be right shocking because I know Lauren, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I know that's not like she might not like be
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: my biggest fan. She might not be telling like Chris
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and her family oh been so great, but she wouldn't
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: have negative things to say. I don't.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: But also I couldn't help but laugh at the fact
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that Sean literally reached out to Caitlin a couple of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: months ago to say, can you stop talking about a
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: relationship that ended five years ago? And then he did
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a half an hour segment.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't think the relationship. That's interesting. I didn't think
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: about that. Well, yeah, he's gonna you know, the balance
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: on these podcasts is interesting because a lot of times
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: you are going to be speaking about your past.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: He admitted it, though I kind of questioned him. Last week.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: He said, I understand now that I have my own
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: podcast that is hard.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: He gets brought up. Yeah, it gets brought up. But
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I'm glad they were I'm glad they were positive overall.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: You would say, Ashley that listening to this as a
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: friend of mine and as a friend of Caitlin's, you
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: never were like angry, No, okay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I was the only thing that made me really go
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: hmm was the it was like a young love. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if my feelings were as intense as they
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: were yours, Sean and feeling like it was a different
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: kind of love.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And then she should have gone home. She should have
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: gone home, make it easy on me, break up with
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: me at the leave me standing in Jamaica all alone
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: at the podium, just being like, well, son of a gun,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: like I am unlovable.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Ben. There's also one
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: other thing. It was the fact that she said that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: your happy couple weekends weren't necessarily that happy. She said,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: so happy a couple of weekends. Oh, you guys know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: they're like the little moments that the Lee did the
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: quote quote winner have They have about three of them
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: between the show wrapping, filming and airing, And Lauren said
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that you guys didn't have a blast in them. What
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: was your take.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, if she didn't like me, I bet they
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: were painfully hard for her, Like if she was showing
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: up to these happy couples and I was you been.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, well I didn't know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, she liked you very much. You were just not
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the great love of her life, which you said.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It was awesome you respect, Yeah, respect, I loved happy couples.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: You don't know why, free food, free booze, and like
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: in the midst of the chaos of the Bachelor and
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: being the Bachelor, it was like three days that the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: show could not contact you to do anything, and so
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: you were just chilling, like sleeping.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, the show couldn't contact you because she said
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that you were out on bachelor duties, that you would
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: go on bachelor errands and like make press appearances during it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And then she I don't remember, No, I don't really
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: see you don't remember.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember me. It's been so long. I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: if that was the case. Possibly I remember those being Okay,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: let me say it this way. Then, in the midst
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of the chaos and the craziness of being the Bachelor,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: when you're on press duties and traveling around and doing
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: appearances and everything from like seven thirty am till eight
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: pm at night every day. Those were an escape because
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: they just had less duties than usual. You weren't gone
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: all day every day from morning to night and then
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: wake up and do it again. Like I felt like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I remember days of taking naps, which was not a
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: thing for me back then. And I love a good nap.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: You're such a napper, Like I could just see you
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like curling up and being in.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: The golf on Thursday through Sunday. You gotta believe it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: And they were nice houses like and we you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought they were fun. I enjoyed them.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I have good I have goin. I have good memories
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: of those.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you have good memories those. Sean brought
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: something up that I was interested to know your take on.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: He said that he's like, Okay, so here I am
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: in a house with this girl that I'm like, now,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: engage you. I guess I'll get to know her. It
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: made me feel like he didn't feel like he was
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: totally in love and knows her like I'm like, Sean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you were the man who literally was so certain this
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: was like the woman for you during this season. Then
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: you're then there's you. Now you're in the happy couple,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I guess we'll get to know her.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what I mean? Yes, you'll get to
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: know much more over time. But but did you feel
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: like you were in a house with a stranger? Is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: what I'm ask asking you, because I do know what
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it's like when the show packs up and you're like, Okay,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: now you can go be with each other in real
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: life there's no cameras. Even the fantasy sweet feels like that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh God, do I know you?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Do?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: You haven't, We've been hanging out the past couple of weeks. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So did you feel like you were getting to know
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: somebody from like fresh or were you like, this is
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: my fiance, I totally know her, Like let's just have
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: some fun.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, two different, two different responses. One is as some
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: a bystanderd on that season, and as a you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: somebody saw that love story playout. I am surprised that
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: he felt that way. I don't want to say he
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: was wrong, but I am surprised because it really felt
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: like from night one.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Sean be each other's souls.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, like that Sean and Caitlyn were meant for something.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Obviously they weren't meant for marriage, but they were meant
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: for something like Yeah, And it also seemed like through
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the season Sean really cared about Caitlyn and got to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: know Caitlin and and you know, maybe watching it back,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I did feel I do remember watching that season back
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: and feeling like the connection I thought they had in
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the like from being in the house and like hearing
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: it and seeing it TV made it feel less than
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: what I thought it was because.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Really, because TV made me feel a lot.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot of making out, there was
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of like just like quiet moments, and then
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: there was the argument to me where a lot of
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: their time was spent talking about the other guy, Nick. Yeah,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and so it I always just expected to watch it
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: back and be like, of course, like they they had
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: something so magical and they knew each other so well,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And I still think they did. I just think they
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: went about it a different way. Okay, so that's my
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: first response. More surprise. I'm not gonna say, hesm, it's
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: his feelings, his emotions, what he thought before you go on.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just let me just give Sean's benef of the doubt.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: He's definitely talking about like in hindsight, as a couple
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: that didn't work out. You know, he wouldn't have said that,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if they were married today, No exactly, Yeah, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: but go ahead.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: But then I would say, when it comes to like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: happy couple of weekends, yes, it did at times feel
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: that way, not necessarily like you're a stranger or not
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: necessarily I don't know you or I don't like you.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: It's what's your phone number, what's your middle name? Where
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: did you go to high school? Yeah? What makes you tick?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: You know, what sets you off? What's your pet peeves?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Like those things you do figure out after the show. Now,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I would only say the comparison would be like a
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Kadian Zach right now where it feels like they're doing great,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: or Jojo and Jordan. But Jojo and Jordan took a
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: lot longer to kind of get to the point where
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I think they were ready to get married than the
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Kadian Zachs of the world. So I do think that
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: people come off of it and feel like, yes, we
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: have a connection, we know each other, let's keep this
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: thing moving. But I don't disagree with him when it
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: comes to at times feeling like, yes, I'm spending a
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: weekend in a house with a stranger. Yeah or not again,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: not a stranger. That's a wrong word, like a I'm
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: spending a week ind in a house with my first date.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, a great description. All right, Ben, Well, you just
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: touched on Nick, so I think was probably talk about
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that he is going to be on Special Forces.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: This was rumored. He did not tell Jared and I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: You did not tell me about it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like he doesn't like have to tell
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: me his day to day like we don't. We're like
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: we had the kind of relationship where, you know, I
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: see him without talking to him for four months and
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it feels like we've been together forever. But it's but
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: like I'm like so freaking excited to see him go
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: through this. So, Hannah Brown, we know one season one
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: of Special Forces, and now Tyler, Cameron, and Nick are
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: both on this coming season that debut September too far
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: from now, I tell you September twenty something. Sorry, then
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the data in front of me right now. But this
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is gonna be so good. I have to go back
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and finish watching Hannah Brown season because I want to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: watch her be that badass that she is, Like, she
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: is just so impressive to me.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Who makes it farther? Ashley, Nick or Tyler?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: You know that they definitely go in with this mindset
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that like, no matter who I who outlasts me, Like
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I have to outlast Tyler or I have to outlast Nick.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: They probably went in with direct indirect competition of each oler.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, I'm guessing that was definitely there.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You know Nick, Well, what are some of Nick's like fears?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Has he cst her phobic? Is he's scared of heights? Like?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: What could really set him off? Because I don't know Tyler,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: so I don't know his fears or his concerns. It
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: feels like, you know, he's a Florida boy. He likes
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to dive, He's comfortable in water. He's maybe a little adventurous.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: He's obviously very athletic, so is Nick though, and so
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: those like athletic competitions will do good at But do
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you know any of Nick's like fears or does he
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: have any that are a parent.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: No, not that I can think of. But I'm just
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: thinking that like the living situation is not going to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: be ideal for him, like.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: On a cot, going to the bathroom bucket.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: And like the first episode of the first season, I
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: remember them being like so freaking dehydrated. They get like
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: one little canteen of water for the day. Yeah, so scary.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I think about how they asked us to do Stars
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: on Mars. They didn't. I felt like, that's like the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: comparable show, but like it's way less strenuous. Okay, it's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the joke version of Yeah, starsar Wars is a joke
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: version of Special Forces? Did they ask you to do
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Special Forces at all?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: No?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You swear to me, I swear you know you're gonna
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: be asked for season three. If there's a season three.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I'm busy on a podcast. I don't have any time.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: You have to you have to fill these shoes, Okay.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I Jared and I have asked each other how much
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: we'd have to get paid to go to Special Forces,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: and well, I guess I don't know. I don't know.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I I have a number in my head. I'd have
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a number. Do you have a number you just want
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to do it? Would you just do it for free?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Hell?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: No, I would not be really, No, I don't know.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing that I feel like you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: would do, because like you're you like things like this,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: You're doing a triathlon that's basically human torture.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one thing i'd do for free. One reality
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: show celebrities Golden Bachelor, No celebrities, coffee.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: You already said that you do the Golden Bachelor for free.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I would, Yeah. I think I still you do too.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's the offer still on the table. No,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I would not do this for free. It would take
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: me some time to think it through. I mean, it's tough,
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and from hearing Hannah do her interviews, like it's hard
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: and it's strenuous and you're sick and you know. The
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: one thing you know me I would have no problem
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: with is the bathroom situation, Like sorry, like this is
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: the setup, Like I'm going to do my thing and
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: you guys are all going to have to be a
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: part of it. And if you don't like it, walk,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: But I would have no problem with that. I would
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: have no problem with the sleeping arrangements because I love
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: to camp and I love to hike, and so I've
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: slept in a lot worse than a cot, you know,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: in a big, old protected room. I'm not even gonna
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: say my fears out loud because if I do sign
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: up for this show, I feel like they're gonna pull
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: this interview back and just like stick me with them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there are things in my life that I
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: don't enjoy doing that I think this show does that
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I would have a hard time with.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you out all one of your fears
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: because I have the same fear. It would be caustrophobia
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: y like that would be getting us in like a
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: dungeon below sand Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I'd be done like I wouldn't. I would not function.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I would say, Okay, that was good, this was a
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: good run. I'm out.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Well that's what happens on Special Forces. Like people just
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: call themselves out.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and I would be really upset with myself,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: especially if it was like week one. I'd be like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you're such a weenie. But I I would have to
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: do it or I'd have a panic.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Better last, Nick Castile lasts so long I need to
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: watch like I want to watch him week to week. Also,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's worth mentioning that Tom Sandoval is on here,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: so like everybody's least favorite vander Pump Rules contestant, and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: he says he's there because he deserves to be punished.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Brilliant, Yes he does.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: There.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Hey, actually another big headline. This is just a crazy
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: couple of days. That's why we came out with this.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I was thinking this was our last headline, which is
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: why I was dragging it out. But holy crap, we
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: have another huge headline.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Gabby Wendy reveals she's been dating a woman for a
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: couple months, which is interesting because we were with her
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: less than a couple a couple of months.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think it chos with her? Yes, we were
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you with her? Yeah, for sure? Me too, you know
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for certain?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know for certain, Okay, but I would
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: imagine that she so. Gabby Wendy has came out publicly
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: that she is dating Robbie Hoffman, who is a comedian.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: They been dating for a few months. Uh. They kept
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: it private, obviously, for the reasons that every couple keeps
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: it private. Here's the quote from Gabby. I always want
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: to live my truth and my story. So I've been
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: seeing someone for a couple months, and I've been keeping
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it a little more private because it is a bigger
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: story and a bigger conversation because I'm dating a girl now.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: She told this to the views on View. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: she gave the view this. Why did she give the
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: view this and not almost famous? Goodness, that's a big
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: that's a big plan.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: But good for Gabby.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: She chatted about it on the View and then she
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: posted pictures to her Instagram, lots of pictures two them together. Yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: congratulations to Gabby first fine for finding what seems to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: be some love. And you told me before we started
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the episode that you remember her saying that she like
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: has been sort of like into girls in the past,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: or like has experimented.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I remember her saying that she, yeah, like she liked
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: girls like I Like, this wasn't a shocker to me
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: because I just in my head have remembered I can't
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: even point to the moment. I don't even know when
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: it was, but I just remember her saying like that
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: she had at least dated a girl or maybe kissed
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a girl something like that. And so this wasn't like
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a oh my gosh, never saw this coming, but it
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: is still a big headline.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Are you sure that wasn't her joking with Rachel all
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: the time that they should just date each other.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: It could have been Honestly, I really could have been right, Yeah, yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, could be.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, Gabby does say this is a quote.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I think it was always a whisper in me to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: date women, and it just got louder and louder, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't really know to pay attention to it. I
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: think when this happens, there's some shame obviously surrounding it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I think I had to navigate through the shame. What
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: is it? Where is it coming from? But ultimately, ultimately
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I always want to do just me, do what I want.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Figure it out later.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: There we go a lot of big headlines today here
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: at the Almost Famous Podcast, all of them big headlines.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: That's why he came out with the special episode of Headlines,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: because well, I know, when we spoke earlier this week,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the headlines weren't a plenty, and hey, a Bachelor Nation
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: said it's not fair for the holmost famous not to
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: have a lot of headlines. Let's let's come out with some.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: So they did, and here we are with another episode
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: of the Almost Famous Podcast. Until next time, when we'll
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: be breaking down charity season of the Bachelorette.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. Say you guys, thank
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you so much.
• 49:35
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