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Speaker 1: Peter Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Look a pretty sad
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Speaker 2: day for conservatives the world over, hasn't it been? With
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Speaker 2: this shocking assassination overnight of conservative warrior American Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Will pray tribute to him tonight and with others try
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Speaker 2: and come to terms with the way one civil debate
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Speaker 2: has descended into murder and chaos in the United States,
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Speaker 2: but potentially everywhere else. Here's what's coming up on Credlin tonight.
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Speaker 2: We'll cross to the US following that shooting of Turning
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Speaker 2: Point USA's co founder, husband and father of to Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: There's still a lot of unknowns, but what's clear is
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Speaker 2: that there is now the specter of violence hanging over
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Speaker 2: every conservative event back here at home. You won't believe
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Speaker 2: the loophole introduced by Labor. It's a loud a person
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Speaker 2: flying the band Terras flagger for muss to go free
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Speaker 2: without I'll discuss that shortly. Plus more woes Victorian liberals
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Speaker 2: as the State director resigns today after texts smocking women
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Speaker 2: came to light ahead of the weekend. State Council meeting
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Speaker 2: and a fight for the party's presidency. Staying with the Liberals,
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Speaker 2: The knives have come out today following the sacking of
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Speaker 2: just Enter Price. There's a lot of revisionism going on
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Speaker 2: here when what we need is a sensible discussion of immigration,
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Speaker 2: not a week old. Apology from a week leader today
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Speaker 2: sounded very hollow, But may.
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Speaker 3: I take this opportunity as leader of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: to apologize to all Indian Australians and indeed others who
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Speaker 3: were hurt and distressed by the comments that were made.
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Speaker 2: But first, this morning Australians woke to that shocking news
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Speaker 2: that someone they cared for and have learned from had
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Speaker 2: been assassinated. Now there would have been hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 2: of people here, tens of millions in the United States,
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Speaker 2: like many of you, I tour morning a loss of
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Speaker 2: extraordinary Charlie Kirk. Since twenty twelve, he's built up a
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Speaker 2: global following, challenging the left on the campus. His Instagram
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Speaker 2: posts routinely get more than a million views. One post
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Speaker 2: alone amassed forty seven million views. He had five million
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Speaker 2: followers on x or Twitter. From the age of around nineteen,
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Speaker 2: he'd been going on to university campuses to debate all
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Speaker 2: comers on everything contentious, but he was especially strong on
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Speaker 2: Christian values and American patriotism. He was famous for the
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Speaker 2: table that he'd set up on campus, which he would
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Speaker 2: then sit behind and invite students, typically wanting his ideological
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Speaker 2: opponents to prove him wrong ask me anything he said. There,
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Speaker 2: he'd sit Daniel in the lions den, so to speak,
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Speaker 2: engaging in a respectful and often pretty humorous dialogue to
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Speaker 2: unpack the difference between reason and group think. Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 2: was the co founder, as I said, of Turning Point USA,
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Speaker 2: not for profit organization that he set up to advocate
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Speaker 2: for conservative politics on high school, college and university campuses.
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Speaker 2: He was one to sit by and decry the fact
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Speaker 2: that our kids are lacking and understanding of what the
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Speaker 2: center right stands for, to complain about the left wing
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Speaker 2: and doctrination so rife in education. He strove to be
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Speaker 2: part of a movement of change to reverse this decline
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Speaker 2: and help teach our young people how to disagree intelligently
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Speaker 2: and civilly. Until the haters took his life yesterday, us
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Speaker 2: time on the campus of Utah Valley University. As he
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Speaker 2: was addressing some three thousand students, but Charlie Kirk was
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Speaker 2: felled by a single shot as he argued for free speech,
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Speaker 2: big ideas, and freedom says everything about the sort of
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Speaker 2: Western world we now live in. Earlier, there'd been a
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Speaker 2: petition from one thousand students seeking to have him barred
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Speaker 2: from the campus, but the university, to its credit, had
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Speaker 2: affirmed its commitment to free speech, intellectual inquiry, and constructive dialogue.
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Speaker 2: And now he's been killed, presumably by someone who would
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Speaker 2: rather settle an argument with a gun than a debate. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is yet another terrible moment for America, not quite
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Speaker 2: as traumatic as the assassination of a president, perhaps, but
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Speaker 2: still a dreadful symptom of the sickness that wants to
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Speaker 2: rubbed out rather than one with reason. Society is at
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Speaker 2: once pride to themselves in free speech, that believed in
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Speaker 2: the primacy of reason, that tried to see the good
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Speaker 2: in everyone, and now far more polarized and fragmented than
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Speaker 2: ever before. Partly its loss of respect for governments and institutions.
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Speaker 2: Partly it's the decline of Christian faith. Partly it's fear
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Speaker 2: that the world is changing for the worst. But mostly
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Speaker 2: it's this new attitude, particularly from people on the left,
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Speaker 2: that people who you might disagree with are not just
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Speaker 2: misinformed or misguided, but they're somehow morally bad. And this
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Speaker 2: is the canceled culture that says that wrong speech shouldn't
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Speaker 2: just be debated, but banished, canceled, and of course, in
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Speaker 2: America with its gun culture, this could mean more than
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Speaker 2: just deplatforming people in the silence, more than just using
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Speaker 2: law fare to shut them down, but literally taking their life.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was someone who refused to be silenced. He
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Speaker 2: met canceled culture with courage culture. Yes, he was a
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Speaker 2: political conservative, he was a mega activist, which inevitably bent.
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Speaker 2: He had hardcore critics as well as hardcore barrackers. But
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Speaker 2: it can never be the victim who's blamed after something
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Speaker 2: as gruesome as this. Naturally, today, the tributes poured in.
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Speaker 4: This is a dark moment for America. Charlie Kirk traveled
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Speaker 4: the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate.
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Speaker 4: His mission was to bring young people into the political process,
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Speaker 4: which he did better than anybody ever.
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Speaker 5: Ye I can't, I mean, there's legit nothing to say.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's rare that you know there's nothing to say,
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Speaker 6: but there's truly nothing to say.
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Speaker 5: I mean, unthinkable, absolutely unthinkable.
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Speaker 7: Nothing I say can Unitus as a country. Nothing I
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Speaker 7: can say right now can fix what is broken. Nothing
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Speaker 7: I can say can bring back Charlie Kirk. Our hearts
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Speaker 7: are broken.
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Speaker 8: It's larger than life figure who was a spectacular orator,
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Speaker 8: who had his entire life and political future ahead of him,
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Speaker 8: has been taken from us so violently, in front of
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Speaker 8: all of our eyes, in the most disgusting and vile
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Speaker 8: and jarringly possible.
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Speaker 2: In social media. Being a sewer as well as a
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Speaker 2: platform for ideas, it was there with plenty that should
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Speaker 2: never have been posted, including this offensive mark from the chaser.
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Speaker 2: Whoever killed Charlie Kirk. Whatever his or her motivation, well
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Speaker 2: they have now made him a martyr for free speech.
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Speaker 2: Those trying to shut him down have actually amplified his voice.
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Speaker 2: As my good friend Constantine Chris Kissen said in a
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Speaker 2: post today, when you tear out a man's tongue, you
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Speaker 2: are not proving him a lie liar. You are only
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Speaker 2: telling the world you fear what he might say. This
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Speaker 2: evildeed means that Charlie Kirk will speak even louder in
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Speaker 2: death than in life, encouraging. I hope more of us
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Speaker 2: to be braver and better than ever before. As I
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Speaker 2: and Hersy Ali said after the Islamu's terrorists stormed the
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Speaker 2: newsroom of Charlie Evdo in Paris and shot dead twelve,
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Speaker 2: do not be cowed into silence, all of us, she said,
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Speaker 2: now to speak up louder and spread the risk. So
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Speaker 2: I say to all of you conservatives watching and listening
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Speaker 2: to this program, do not leave defending what we love
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Speaker 2: just to the Charlie Kirks of this world. If we
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Speaker 2: want something, defenditi, if we think something deserves to be protected,
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Speaker 2: that it's now on all of us to use his
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Speaker 2: example and raise our voices. Because you've heard me say
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Speaker 2: this time and time again. The silent majority won't stay
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Speaker 2: a majority if it stays silent. To his wife and
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Speaker 2: his young children. My deepest condolences on behalf of so
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Speaker 2: many Australian conservatives, and he is horrifically cut short thirty
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Speaker 2: one years. He lived a life braver than many of
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Speaker 2: us who will make old bones. Not much shocks me,
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Speaker 2: an Himore, But I'll tell you what. This has been
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Speaker 2: a shocking day for conservatives around the world. That's got
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Speaker 2: a cabin now for the headline, skynis political reporter Ribbons Fargo.
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Speaker 9: The Opposition leader has apologized to the Australian Indian community
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Speaker 9: a day after Senator Jacinta Nampa Jimpa Price was dumped
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Speaker 9: from the Shadow ministry visiting a construction site in Tasmania.
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Speaker 9: No explanation was given for the timing of the apology.
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Speaker 3: May I take this opportunity as leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party to apologize to all Indian Australians.
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Speaker 9: Susan Lee denies her leadership is under threat. The Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister has committed one hundred million dollars to a newly
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Speaker 9: created fund to assist Pacific nations in their climate change
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Speaker 9: mitigation efforts. Anthony be Easy made the pledge in the
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Speaker 9: Solomon Islands during a tour of the region. Next week,
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister will travel to pub New Guinea for
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Speaker 9: the country celebration of fifty years liberation. Calls are growing
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Speaker 9: for the government to review its foreign influence scheme as
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Speaker 9: the coalition highlights concern around Daniel Andrews's omission, despite the
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Speaker 9: former Victoria Premier's close China links being on full display.
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Speaker 9: Last week, he's yet to register any activities. It's understood
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Speaker 9: nobody has ever been criminally prosecuted under the scheme. To
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Speaker 9: security experts, it looks more like a signal than a
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Speaker 9: strong deterrent that.
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Speaker 10: I think it's important that the government has another look
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Speaker 10: at the Foreign Influence Transparency scheme to ensure that it's
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Speaker 10: capturing the appropriate people, particularly those who've held a senior.
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Speaker 9: Office to protect public trust and democracy.
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Speaker 2: Right John Now, Telegraph journalist James Willis Ascynes contributor CAROLEI
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Speaker 2: Katsambadas will welcome to you both. Look, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: cross you Stays a little bit on in the show
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Speaker 2: and discuss obviously the assassination today of Charlie Kirk. But
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Speaker 2: before we do that, currely, just tell me what went
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Speaker 2: through your mind when you hear this shocking news this morning.
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Speaker 11: Just shocking, I mean, the first political assassination since nineteen
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Speaker 11: sixty eight. What has also shocked me is how the
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Speaker 11: left seemed to be celebrating the murder. There are some
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Speaker 11: schoolgirls in Melbourne that identify as left wing that were
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Speaker 11: actually laughing at some teenagers who were very upset by
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Speaker 11: the news today. It's not good when the left starts
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Speaker 11: celebrating murder and showing no empathy at all. You said
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Speaker 11: before condolences to his wife and also his two children.
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Speaker 11: But at the end of it, this is a thirty
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Speaker 11: one year old conservative man who was willing to accept
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Speaker 11: all viewpoints of anybody and debate them in democracy, which
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Speaker 11: is what you do.
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Speaker 2: I worry that while we want it to.
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Speaker 11: Be championed on, people will be scared to have a go.
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Speaker 2: You know what I've noticed too, James, that I followed
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Speaker 2: him for a long time is initially when he went
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Speaker 2: on to the campuses, it was a barrage of abuse,
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Speaker 2: but over time, you know, as he prompted young people
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Speaker 2: to get out there and learn a bit more, read
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Speaker 2: a bit more, ask some questions, talk to people older
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Speaker 2: than and have a broader view. You know, he was
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Speaker 2: winning hearts and minds, and he had quite a significant
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Speaker 2: following in some parts of the US. So what's be
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Speaker 2: your reaction to today.
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Speaker 12: I think the tributes from President Donald Trump down Peter
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Speaker 12: have been fitting and appropriate, and I agree with what
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Speaker 12: you say about his growing influence amongst you know, a
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Speaker 12: group of society, young people that we all think are
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Speaker 12: just lefties or you know, maybe you have communists or
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Speaker 12: socialist views, but he had a great ability to connect
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Speaker 12: and was growing in popularity and influence in the United States.
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Speaker 5: The footage of this, the raw footage.
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Speaker 12: Is just shocking, but I think from our perspective in
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Speaker 12: Australia not enough can be said. And this isn't the
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Speaker 12: first time this has happened. About the jokes and the
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Speaker 12: insults and the hate that follows after someone dies. Now,
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Speaker 12: I don't care whether you're from the left or the right,
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Speaker 12: I don't care which way you vote, but when someone
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Speaker 12: passes away, a father of children, a young man that
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Speaker 12: is killed in a horrific way, we can't have people
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Speaker 12: making jokes about it.
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Speaker 5: And it keeps happening. And the chaser was one example.
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Speaker 12: We identified this afternoon with a Daily Telegraph that a
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Speaker 12: journalist from Criche was making some very inappropriate remarks about
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Speaker 12: this on a social media forum which have come to light,
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Speaker 12: and there's been multiple comments on social media from young
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Speaker 12: members of the union, young members from labor and.
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Speaker 5: Just people that I think is sick. It's a sick way.
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Speaker 12: Of dealing with the death of someone and it needs
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Speaker 12: to be called out. But sadly it is growing.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on you, James, are good on the Telly.
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Speaker 2: Because too often conservatives, you know, line of least resistance,
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Speaker 2: we let this stuff go through to the keep LT.
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Speaker 2: We cannot do that anymore. We've got to raise our voices,
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Speaker 2: and we raise our voices to honor Charlie. As I
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Speaker 2: said at the top of the show, we've got as
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Speaker 2: the Missius closer at home. Now if we can Kerally,
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Speaker 2: viewers might recall images out of that recent Brisbane pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine protest. We saw a protest that pictured waving a
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Speaker 2: Hummus flag. Now this is a banned emblem of a
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Speaker 2: terror group. But we learned today the individual will not
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Speaker 2: be charged because of this loophole introduced by the Albanezer
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Speaker 2: government at the back end of twenty twenty three that
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Speaker 2: says it's only an offense to display a terror symbol
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Speaker 2: if you know it's a prohibited symbol. So all this
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Speaker 2: person had to do Kerly was just basically say, which
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Speaker 2: is I didn't know it was the flag of Hummas.
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Speaker 2: When's ignorance been an excuse in the law, Well.
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Speaker 11: It certainly needs to be tightened up them And he
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Speaker 11: wasn't walking down the street with the Nepalese flag, wasn't
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Speaker 11: he How they can actually say they don't know what
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Speaker 11: they're holding is beyond me. We've seen it with the
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Speaker 11: you know, the Nazi flags. We're also seen it with paraphernali.
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Speaker 11: We've seen it with you know, Nazuela, the posters of
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Speaker 11: the Iranian leaders.
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Speaker 2: Across the bridge. It's not good, but this is typical.
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Speaker 11: There's always a loophole, there's always a way out that
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Speaker 11: the left don't actually face the consequences of what they've done.
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Speaker 2: I think it's disgusting.
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Speaker 11: I think it's disgusting that, you know, we don't have
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Speaker 11: penalties for burning the Australian flag. But that's another story altogether.
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Speaker 11: That for these people to say they don't know what
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Speaker 11: they're carrying. I'm sorry, it just doesn't wash with me.
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Speaker 2: James, tell you what a very interesting piece you wrote
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Speaker 2: for the Telly today and I think everyone at home
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Speaker 2: needs to read this. But in sure you point out
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Speaker 2: we've got almost a million people just by nine hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand out there receiving jobs seeker. This is the old
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Speaker 2: doll the unemployment payment, and there seems to be absolutely
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Speaker 2: no will from governments to get people off these payments
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Speaker 2: and back to work. I thought we had and I
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Speaker 2: know we had work for the doll and I know
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Speaker 2: that got scrapped by Malcolm Turbul, but I thought there
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Speaker 2: was this rule that you either had to learn or earn.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about to a million people here
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Speaker 2: that are permanently, fundamentally for their lifetime unemployed.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: In fact, if you include youth allowance, it is more
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Speaker 12: than a million people Peter right now as of July
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty five. It has grown significantly under the Labor
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Speaker 12: Party and the critical measure here. And I think we
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Speaker 12: all agree that welfare is designed for your hour of need.
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Speaker 12: And we're not talking, by the way, about people on
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Speaker 12: disability pensions here. We're not talking about veterans, We're not
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Speaker 12: talking about the age pension. These are people that have
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Speaker 12: been declared to partly or work more than thirty thirty
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Speaker 12: eight hours a week and instead remain on job seeker
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Speaker 12: in enormous numbers.
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Speaker 5: And look, the long time obligation.
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Speaker 12: The requirement to be on this payment was that you
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Speaker 12: had to earn points by doing a job interview, upskilling,
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Speaker 12: going to do some training, maybe doing an education course,
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Speaker 12: getting a driver's license, applying for jobs. That was sort
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Speaker 12: of your obligation for receiving this tax payers money every fortnight.
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Speaker 12: But what the Labor Party did through the Department earlier
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Speaker 12: this year was discovered that the wrong people were being
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Speaker 12: penalized for not doing that, and so they have currently removed.
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Speaker 5: That mutual obligation.
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Speaker 12: So you basically don't have to do anything to keep
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Speaker 12: earning the money, and until that comes back, there is
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Speaker 12: no requirement to actually physically be showing that you trying
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Speaker 12: to find a job. I think it's a massive problem
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Speaker 12: in this country. I think it's been allowed to fester
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Speaker 12: under labor and every time you hear someone talk about welfare, Peter,
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Speaker 12: you talk about increasing the amount giving someone rent assistance
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Speaker 12: or removing these mutual obligations. When are we going to
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Speaker 12: start talking about encouraging and doing everything possible to get
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Speaker 12: people back into the workforce and therefore we don't need
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Speaker 12: to rely all the time on foreign workers to come in.
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Speaker 12: And the thing with foreign workers, migrants love working, they
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Speaker 12: are great workers.
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Speaker 5: They come here and work hard.
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Speaker 12: But arguably we wouldn't need that if we skilled up
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Speaker 12: and made sure our own people in Australia right now
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Speaker 12: had jobs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wrong caron credit where credits Due to Nick McKenzie
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Speaker 2: from the Nine Papers in his colleagues, they have been
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Speaker 2: dogged in their pursuit of union corruption, particularly inside the
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Speaker 2: construction sector, and particularly in relation to Victoria's taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: big build. We're talking here about Rawt's intimidation kickbacks. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's gone on and on and on. They say that
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Speaker 2: officials inside the government have known about these four years now.
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Speaker 2: This directly contradicts the claims that the premiers made that
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Speaker 2: these stories have blind sided them. Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: Well, the federal government has appointed a federal administrator. That
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Speaker 14: is a significant that was a significant step in in
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Speaker 14: terms of dealing with that particular with that particular union.
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Speaker 14: And we're supporting the work of the federal administrator.
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Speaker 2: Now, we know labour against billions millions, sorry, millions and
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars in donations from the union sector. And
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Speaker 2: we also know poor old taxpayers here on the hook
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Speaker 2: for millions, billions, billions on these projects. And there's example
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Speaker 2: after example of these corrupt individuals lining their pockets with
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Speaker 2: money from taxpayers. So I got to ask you, where
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Speaker 2: is the police here, curly, where's iback?
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Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 11: Yeah exactly, And a former IVAC commissioner came out today,
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Speaker 11: Robert Redlich, saying there almost needs to be a wide
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Speaker 11: ranging independent inquiry.
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Speaker 2: Seems like every forty eight hours.
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Speaker 11: The Nick nick Kens and his team are just unearthing
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Speaker 11: more alleged corruption. We've had this week already. We've had
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Speaker 11: people that have been Robert Salter, he owned a company
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Speaker 11: called X Forces. He made complaints. Hees had to actually
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Speaker 11: pay money to a Gangland deck collector in order that
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Speaker 11: he and his team were able to get work. He
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Speaker 11: provides work for military veterans as well as indigenous workers too.
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Speaker 11: He's a big guy himself, a former veteran. He's actually
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Speaker 11: the first one to come out publicly to say to
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Speaker 11: try and get work on this twenty six billion dollar
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Speaker 11: north East Lincoln Melbourne, that's what he had to do.
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Speaker 11: But this trove of documents, it shows three years ago
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Speaker 11: in March, April and May twenty twenty three, comnumerous complaints
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Speaker 11: were made to the Victorian state government and two officials
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Speaker 11: alleging the corruption, the intimidation, the roughts and the kickbacks
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Speaker 11: that were going on. There are examples of a pagola
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Speaker 11: that was taken out of a railway yard and gone
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Speaker 11: and reinstalled on a project manager's home. There's an example
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Speaker 11: of men having to go off a bill to go
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Speaker 11: and concrete the driveway of a boss's grandma. And there's
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Speaker 11: other examples of them having to finish off a fifty
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Speaker 11: thousand dollars home renovation. Now for Victoria, Victoria's premierges sin
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Speaker 11: to Allen to say, a federal administrator, this is happening
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Speaker 11: in her own backyard. The big build is one hundred
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Speaker 11: billion dollars worth of taxpayer funded projects across two hundred
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Speaker 11: it's also stretched into Sydney as well. She's actually also
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Speaker 11: got to do something as well, because nothing seems to
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Speaker 11: have been done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's punches pilot. Now she's washing a hands of
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Speaker 2: as If as I she's no longer running the state
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Speaker 2: and clearly she is. I mean, this has got to
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Speaker 2: be pursued, I hope by the Victorian. They've also speak
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Speaker 2: to Victorian and Level about that a bit later on
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Speaker 2: in the show. Thank you both have a good weekend.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the fallout that's still causing eruptions around Canberra,
21:16
Speaker 2: from Susan Lee's decision yesterday to Saxi Enterprise from the
21:20
Speaker 2: shadow cabinet. She said that Jacinta had failed the test
21:24
Speaker 2: last night or what test. Lee might have apologized today,
21:29
Speaker 2: But when asked yesterday if Price needed to apologize well,
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee refused to provide the media with an answer.
21:37
Speaker 2: Now Price might be gone, but without the muzzle of
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Speaker 2: the front bench, you can expect she's going to be
21:42
Speaker 2: more outspoken than ever. And out of all of this,
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Speaker 2: I mean, serious questions are being asked now about how
21:49
Speaker 2: Susan Lean manages her colleagues and how her henchmen's Jane
21:54
Speaker 2: Hume's were not just mine, conduct themselves on her behalf
21:58
Speaker 2: joining me now, someone to discuss this, someone also demoted
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Speaker 2: by Susan Lee. I hate to admit because you didn't
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Speaker 2: deserve it, Victorian Senator Sarah Henderson. Sarah, welcome. You'll let
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Speaker 2: that one go to the three to the keeper. I
22:10
Speaker 2: can tell by the look on your face you I
22:13
Speaker 2: agree with you.
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Speaker 15: By the way, I didn't deserve it. You did not
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Speaker 15: deserve it, but neither did Jane Hugh, neither did Claire,
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Speaker 15: and of course neither did you enter. So there was
22:21
Speaker 15: an unfortunate targeting of senior liberal women by a senior
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Speaker 15: Liberal woman.
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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, so much for women.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, very unfortunate.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the matter at hand, because you've made
22:36
Speaker 2: a big post this afternoon. I think it's very very
22:38
Speaker 2: strongly worded. You said the Liberal Party needs to be
22:41
Speaker 2: better at supporting their own, including of course female MPs
22:45
Speaker 2: and senators, given the importance of attracting women into politics.
22:48
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. And that Australians expect you to fight
22:52
Speaker 2: the alb and Easy government clearly a reference to not
22:56
Speaker 2: fighting amongst them yourselves. Peter Dutton, Yes, the policies were slow,
23:02
Speaker 2: and yes we could have criticisms about his election campaign effort,
23:06
Speaker 2: but he kept a broken party after an election loss,
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Speaker 2: incredibly well united. What's happening now.
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Speaker 15: Well, Peter, firstly, can I say the loss of dissenter
23:21
Speaker 15: from the front bench. She's a big loss and I
23:23
Speaker 15: think so many Australians have responded very negatively. She will
23:27
Speaker 15: go on and fight the great fight on behalf of Australians.
23:30
Speaker 15: She's said she's going to keep on fighting on immigration,
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Speaker 15: on education and on net zero, so she won't be
23:37
Speaker 15: going that's right, But I have to say I do
23:42
Speaker 15: regret that she wasn't given greater support. There was a
23:46
Speaker 15: bit of a pilon, I have to say, and I
23:50
Speaker 15: think that is regrettable. It could have been handled better
23:53
Speaker 15: by the opposition leader. If it had been nipped in
23:55
Speaker 15: the bud. I don't think it would have run on.
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Speaker 15: But because of course Labor MP, we're calling jacinta racist,
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Speaker 15: which is a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: What are you surprised given that the comments were made
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Speaker 2: on a Wednesday afternoon in a city week. Everybody's in Canberra,
24:11
Speaker 2: you know, the leader's office of reading everyone's transcript. Presumably
24:13
Speaker 2: they've picked up something that they're not happy with. Why
24:16
Speaker 2: didn't Susan Lee pick up the phone, even get her
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Speaker 2: around to her office and say hey, I think this
24:20
Speaker 2: is out of line. We better mop it up. Why
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Speaker 2: didn't that happen?
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Speaker 15: Well, Peter, I can't speak for Susan. I am concerned
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Speaker 15: that we are.
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Speaker 2: We expected that to happen.
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Speaker 15: Well, yes, I would have, because certainly she did sim
24:33
Speaker 15: to responded very quickly and corrected the record when she
24:36
Speaker 15: realized she made a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Everyone makes mistakes where we're all humans, you're in the
24:40
Speaker 2: hot seat all the time.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, and so she immediately corrected the record. And then
24:46
Speaker 15: of course things ran on and then I think there
24:49
Speaker 15: was a pilon And every time we are speaking about ourselves,
24:53
Speaker 15: we are not speaking about the failures of the alb
24:55
Speaker 15: and Easy government, including on the absolute immigration chaos, the
25:01
Speaker 15: economic mismanagement, the one point to training dollars of debt
25:04
Speaker 15: that we're heading towards. So it is regrettable how this
25:08
Speaker 15: has been managed. And look, I'm not going to get
25:11
Speaker 15: caught up on the weeds other than to say that
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Speaker 15: Jacinto is a big loss. But she will, she will
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Speaker 15: join me on the back bench and we will fight
25:17
Speaker 15: the great fight together.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this will I was gonna say, clip
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Speaker 2: the wings running their horns, clip the horns of someone
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Speaker 2: like Alex Hawk, who was seen to be acting with
25:30
Speaker 2: the authority of the leader, and she certainly not said that.
25:34
Speaker 2: That wasn't the case. And the sort of the bobber
25:37
Speaker 2: Boyd tactics that we've seen in the last week, do
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Speaker 2: you think that's going to change?
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Speaker 15: Look, I think all of us front benches, backbenches, we
25:45
Speaker 15: all need to be focused on our job, and that
25:47
Speaker 15: is to hold the government to account and to prosecute
25:50
Speaker 15: good policies. I am, of course very anxious to make
25:54
Speaker 15: to see our policies come out sooner rather than later. Certainly,
25:57
Speaker 15: I've been doing some really good works up for farmers,
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Speaker 15: including on the proposal that I put forward, which is
26:04
Speaker 15: to stop the use of Commonwealth funds in relation to
26:08
Speaker 15: high transmission towers and other electricity infrastructure projects.
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Speaker 2: Is it's going to make people scared though to speak out,
26:16
Speaker 2: like if if you have you make a mistake, you misspeak,
26:20
Speaker 2: or you're clumsy, if it costs you your job. I mean,
26:25
Speaker 2: some of these issues like zero, like immigration, the language
26:29
Speaker 2: is fraught. You can offend you know someone ten times
26:32
Speaker 2: in an interview. But we've got to have these brave conversations, Sarah,
26:38
Speaker 2: We've you know, Liberal Party has got to take the
26:40
Speaker 2: fight up on these issues. Australians will have them at home,
26:43
Speaker 2: around the barbecue and around the kitchen table. They will
26:46
Speaker 2: be talking about immigration and they're looking to their leaders
26:49
Speaker 2: in Canberra and the parties they support to say, please
26:51
Speaker 2: have this conversation. Don't don't sweep it under the carpet.
26:54
Speaker 2: Do you think it's going to make you risk adverse
26:56
Speaker 2: as a party?
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Speaker 15: I don't think so. One of the great things about
26:59
Speaker 15: being a Liberal, of course, is that from the back
27:01
Speaker 15: bench we can speak out. I've crossed the floor twice
27:04
Speaker 15: in this Parliament and I've done so on very good reasons.
27:08
Speaker 15: One on an immigration motion put forward by One Nation
27:12
Speaker 15: and one on a proposal to cap indexation for hextets.
27:16
Speaker 15: So that's one of the great things about being a Liberal.
27:19
Speaker 15: But we need to do a better job at supporting
27:22
Speaker 15: each other. And when we are, as just interdeered last week,
27:25
Speaker 15: and we all make mistakes, we've got to back each
27:28
Speaker 15: other in. Unfortunately, I don't think that happened in this case,
27:32
Speaker 15: and we've lost a great woman on the front pench.
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Speaker 2: Do you expect that Susan Lee will lead the Liberal
27:38
Speaker 2: Party at the next election?
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Speaker 15: Look, I'm not going to reflect on the future. All
27:43
Speaker 15: I do know is that every leader is there at
27:45
Speaker 15: the behest of the party room. I think there is
27:49
Speaker 15: a lot of good will for Susan's leadership, and that's
27:52
Speaker 15: quite genuine. But as I say, I think there is
27:55
Speaker 15: a real anxiety that we get on with the business
27:58
Speaker 15: of delivering on policies where they're concerned with net zero,
28:03
Speaker 15: whether they're concerned with energy policy more broadly, the economy.
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Speaker 2: Education, So we have a lot of work to do.
28:09
Speaker 2: Well well done, too, and all that stuff on renewables.
28:11
Speaker 2: I watched it closely from that. Yeah, thanks, thanks Petter.
28:14
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the break. After the break,
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Speaker 2: we'll go to the US for more on the shocking
28:17
Speaker 2: assassination of Charlie Kirk, plus more of the grotesque reactions
28:22
Speaker 2: to the left wing media. You won't believe how low valgo.
28:30
Speaker 2: Welcome back. As I said at the top of the show,
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Speaker 2: the shooting of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk has sent shock
28:36
Speaker 2: waves not just through the United States but around the world. Sadly,
28:40
Speaker 2: it points to the growing specter of violence creeping into
28:44
Speaker 2: our politics, largely directed at conservatives.
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Speaker 4: It's a long past time for all Americans and the
28:52
Speaker 4: media to confront the fact that violence and murder by
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Speaker 4: the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree,
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Speaker 4: day after day, year after year, in the most hateful
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Speaker 4: and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical
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Speaker 4: left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now, White House reporter at the New York Post,
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Speaker 2: Diana and Rotzi, thank you for joining me tonight for
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Speaker 2: what your president Diana has called a dark moment in
29:26
Speaker 2: American life. Just explain to my viewers what Charlie Kirk's
29:30
Speaker 2: impact was within the conservative movement, but particularly when it
29:35
Speaker 2: comes to younger voters.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Charlie Kirk was one of the number one people
29:40
Speaker 13: that was engaging with the young Republicans and the Trump
29:44
Speaker 13: movement over a decade. He was the founder of TPUSA,
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Speaker 13: the biggest political movement of young Republicans in the country,
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Speaker 13: and countless people before and after his death had been
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Speaker 13: talking about what an impact he met on them. People
30:01
Speaker 13: in the Trump White House right now linked up with
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Speaker 13: him early on in their careers and they really built
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Speaker 13: that out based on their relationship with him and the
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Speaker 13: things that he was saying.
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Speaker 2: Look, you're right, I've long quality social media account turning
30:14
Speaker 2: point and I've always admired his bravery because he didn't
30:19
Speaker 2: just like you know some of us do, delivery his
30:21
Speaker 2: commentary from the safety of a studio or the pages
30:24
Speaker 2: of a newspaper. I mean, he actively went into the
30:27
Speaker 2: lions den onto university campuses and tried to engage with
30:32
Speaker 2: the debate the way it was when I went to UNI,
30:35
Speaker 2: when it really was a battle of ideas. And sadly
30:38
Speaker 2: though that's all fallen away.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly. I mean, looking back at his Twitter page,
30:44
Speaker 13: he was active before he was eighteen years old, and
30:47
Speaker 13: he was famous for going out there and having debates
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Speaker 13: with people, people that hated him and had drastically opposing
30:54
Speaker 13: political opinions. And of course, tragically he was in a
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Speaker 13: debate when he was shot by someone who probably didn't
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Speaker 13: agree with his opinions.
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Speaker 2: We heard in the intro some of President Trump's comments
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Speaker 2: from earlier in the day and when clearly his administration's
31:12
Speaker 2: been rocked by this murder. I'm sure the president personally
31:15
Speaker 2: too has felt the effects today, given the attempt on
31:18
Speaker 2: his own life during the election campaign. Anything, this is
31:22
Speaker 2: going to change things for conservatives engaging in public life.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what's it going to mean in terms of
31:28
Speaker 2: security and safety at political events.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. And I know that
31:36
Speaker 13: the shock and you know, horror from the administration was
31:42
Speaker 13: really felt. You could see that in President Trump's message.
31:46
Speaker 13: I called him after the shooting, and he seemed so
31:49
Speaker 13: somber and of course so sad to hear that his
31:54
Speaker 13: friend had died in such a way, and he himself
31:58
Speaker 13: mentioned the assassination of attempt on him during his remarks
32:02
Speaker 13: to the people. So I think this really hits home
32:05
Speaker 13: for the president. And I know that Susie Wiles, Trump's
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Speaker 13: chief of staff. I heard that she sent out a
32:12
Speaker 13: memo after the shooting, just comforting in the White House staff,
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Speaker 13: many of whom were friends with Charlie, and she said that,
32:20
Speaker 13: you know, they should continue speaking out, having their voice heard,
32:26
Speaker 13: but she did say that they should use a little
32:28
Speaker 13: bit more caution in this time as investigators try to
32:31
Speaker 13: figure out what happened.
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Speaker 2: Look, I have to admit I'm a conservative in Australia
32:37
Speaker 2: and sadly no stranger to threats in the usual abuse
32:40
Speaker 2: we cop. If a conservative has a view on any issue,
32:44
Speaker 2: they're not just wrong according to the left, they're morally bad. Now,
32:48
Speaker 2: I certainly don't feel that way about people on the
32:50
Speaker 2: left that I might disagree with. I might agree with
32:53
Speaker 2: what they say, but I don't think they're all bad people.
32:56
Speaker 2: What makes it so different for conservative voices and why
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Speaker 2: have we lost the ability to civilly disagree?
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Speaker 13: I mean, unfortunately, of course, I hope that isn't true.
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Speaker 13: But time and time again we see political violence, especially
33:13
Speaker 13: in the United States, and oftentimes it does come from
33:17
Speaker 13: the left, there is this sense of hatred towards people
33:21
Speaker 13: who hold more conservative opinions. And Charlie never engaged in violence,
33:26
Speaker 13: and as we spoke about, he was very open about
33:29
Speaker 13: engaging in debates with students. That was something that he
33:33
Speaker 13: was really passionate about. And someone took it in their
33:37
Speaker 13: own hands to silence him in that way, which is
33:41
Speaker 13: obviously horrific and extremely unfortunate.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Diana or not, it's been a tough day.
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Speaker 2: Condolences from everyone here in Australia, whether they agreed with
33:51
Speaker 2: him or not. Charlie was someone who absolutely made a
33:55
Speaker 2: mark and he's thirty one short years, I think to
33:58
Speaker 2: not our democracies all or worse for the events of
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Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours. Thank you so much. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in James Morrow, host to the US Report. James,
34:12
Speaker 2: not just because your host the US Reporter, I know
34:15
Speaker 2: you are deeply connected to your old country of the
34:17
Speaker 2: United States, and you've watched this all unfold like we
34:20
Speaker 2: have today across Sky and other outlets. I mean, what
34:23
Speaker 2: does this say now about the state of political discourse
34:26
Speaker 2: in the US.
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Speaker 1: Well, it says nothing good, Peter, and it's really disturbing
34:33
Speaker 1: and depressing that this has happened. I mean I walked
34:35
Speaker 1: to the news this morning, as so many people did
34:37
Speaker 1: here in Australia, and it was just an absolute punch
34:41
Speaker 1: in the gut.
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Speaker 5: Have we come to this point now?
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Speaker 1: And you know, I have been warning about the escalation
34:48
Speaker 1: of political violence coming from the left, specifically from the left,
34:53
Speaker 1: not just violence, but the lionization of violence, you know,
34:57
Speaker 1: a real turning point. I think we had the Luigia
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Speaker 1: Vanjoni alleged killing of that healthcare CEO Brian Thompson last year,
35:05
Speaker 1: and he became a folk hero.
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Speaker 5: He's still a folk hero on the left.
35:08
Speaker 1: Because he took out a ceo, you know, one of
35:11
Speaker 1: the bad guys, a healthcare ceo, and they made him
35:14
Speaker 1: a pinup boy, a poster boy and all of that.
35:16
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen so many other bits of violence
35:20
Speaker 1: from the left. We've seen this going on for years,
35:22
Speaker 1: the Antifa movement, you know, Black Lives Matter. The left
35:26
Speaker 1: has a big, big violence problem, and it all comes
35:29
Speaker 1: down to you know, so you were talking about a
35:31
Speaker 1: moment ago, this idea that for the left, the rights
35:34
Speaker 1: not just wrong, they're evil. We just think they're wrong.
35:37
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're idiots, but they're not evil generally, some of
35:39
Speaker 1: them are, but they're at evil, you know, by their
35:41
Speaker 1: own nature. If this is where we are now, this
35:45
Speaker 1: is a very dark place for America. I don't think
35:47
Speaker 1: we've been in a place like this, probably not since
35:50
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight.
35:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it has that the hallmarks of the
35:55
Speaker 2: sixties and the civil rights movement? What are those points today?
35:59
Speaker 2: That aid on MSN Basay political consultant Matthew Dowd, he
36:04
Speaker 2: might these comments shortly after the shooting, have a listen.
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Speaker 16: We don't know any spoke details of this that we
36:10
Speaker 16: don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun
36:12
Speaker 16: off in celebration or so. We have no idea about this.
36:15
Speaker 16: But following up what was just said, he's been one
36:18
Speaker 16: of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this
36:22
Speaker 16: who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate
36:26
Speaker 16: speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I
36:29
Speaker 16: always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
36:34
Speaker 16: which then lead to hateful actions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's big to blimey in the extreme. He
36:42
Speaker 2: since been fine, But what do you make of that sentiment?
36:45
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's the crazy thing is I have
36:48
Speaker 1: spent all day going through Twitter, going through or x
36:51
Speaker 1: now going through what people have been saying, and this
36:54
Speaker 1: guy was not a lot. I mean what he said there,
36:56
Speaker 1: of course is a poland well he Charlie Kirk said
36:59
Speaker 1: bad things, bad things happen to him. I mean, that's
37:01
Speaker 1: a total misunderstanding what Charlie kirk was all about. Charlie
37:04
Speaker 1: Kirk's slogan was changed my mind. His whole thing was
37:08
Speaker 1: about reaching out to the other side and learning and
37:12
Speaker 1: going back and forth and socratic dialogue. He was the
37:15
Speaker 1: furthest thing from a hate manger you could get. So
37:18
Speaker 1: it's a defamatory slur on his name. But also it's
37:21
Speaker 1: not uncommon. You know, at the American ABC, similar comments
37:25
Speaker 1: were made, all sorts of other comments being made also
37:28
Speaker 1: just that whole thing, slurring his supporters as if you
37:31
Speaker 1: know what, they're firing off guns and celebrations like their
37:33
Speaker 1: guests of the Many wedding or something like that. You know,
37:36
Speaker 1: like this is just what Republicans do. They walk around
37:38
Speaker 1: with their guns and shoot over of the air. It's nuts.
37:42
Speaker 2: So we saw that happen though after the attempt at assassination
37:45
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump during the campaign, there are all these
37:48
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories about was he actually shot, was the bandaid real?
37:52
Speaker 2: How long did he have to sort of repair easy
37:55
Speaker 2: you know, plastic surgery and all the sort of rubbish.
37:57
Speaker 2: And then even in Australia today you get the chice
38:00
Speaker 2: Ab out there and they've got a headline that says
38:01
Speaker 2: are you okay? It's are you Okay Day in Australia
38:04
Speaker 2: and they say day not going well at turning point.
38:08
Speaker 2: I mean, this stuff is unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's totally believable from the you know, late middle
38:14
Speaker 1: aged chaser boys now who are off clearly seeking some relevance.
38:20
Speaker 1: You know, it's stupid, it's juvenile, it's not funny. You know,
38:23
Speaker 1: you can take a funny joke that's not funny. But
38:25
Speaker 1: they're all there's so much delight, and you see this
38:27
Speaker 1: here so many left wing websites, the delight, delight that
38:32
Speaker 1: this guy got killed. You've seen I've seen videos of
38:35
Speaker 1: people on TikTok today, you know, cheering the death, people
38:39
Speaker 1: doing videos themselves, driving around their neighborhood, yelling out the
38:42
Speaker 1: window of people Charlie Kirk got shot, like it's a
38:44
Speaker 1: wonderful thing.
38:45
Speaker 5: You know, this is sick.
38:47
Speaker 1: This is you know, they're talking about the right as
38:49
Speaker 1: the party of hate and the party of you know, violence.
38:52
Speaker 1: All this well, look in the mirror, guys, this is
38:55
Speaker 1: just wrong.
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Speaker 2: I just hope it creates. It's hundreds and hundreds and
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Speaker 2: hundreds of more Charlie Kirks that the kids have been
39:04
Speaker 2: that have been moved by him on campuses over his
39:08
Speaker 2: decade long advocacy. Now use this as a reason to
39:11
Speaker 2: spur they're engaged in the public domain. Just before we go,
39:15
Speaker 2: I mean, are we to see now the end of
39:18
Speaker 2: conservative political events and rallies? Is that going to be
39:21
Speaker 2: the upshot after what happened to Trump and now obviously
39:24
Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk, Is that the result?
39:28
Speaker 5: Look, I really hope not.
39:29
Speaker 1: And I would also say I think conservatives are made
39:31
Speaker 1: of sterner stuff than that. And there's a message that
39:34
Speaker 1: has to get out and people want to hear it,
39:36
Speaker 1: and you know, there will probably more security sometimes, but
39:39
Speaker 1: ultimately life goes on and so does so does the message,
39:42
Speaker 1: and so does what Charlie Kirk was all about.
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Speaker 2: Right, thank you, thank you, James. I must have to say,
39:48
Speaker 2: you know, if you think those threats are unning leveled
39:50
Speaker 2: at US politicians. I can speak from personal example. There's
39:55
Speaker 2: some pretty horrific things said to people here on Sky News.
40:00
Speaker 2: But here we are. We keep fighting hard, don't we think? God,
40:03
Speaker 2: we don't have a gun culture. All right? More from
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Speaker 2: James Too tomorrow night on this issue at eight o'clock
40:08
Speaker 2: with the US Report. After the break, we're going to
40:11
Speaker 2: have a quick break, come back with a panel, and
40:13
Speaker 2: I'm going to speak to a Liberal woman who has
40:16
Speaker 2: been the frontline headlines today and it has caused the
40:20
Speaker 2: resignation of the state director of the Liberal Party in Victoria.
40:28
Speaker 2: A big day of news again for the Liberal Party
40:32
Speaker 2: in Victoria in the headlines on multitude of issues. Here
40:36
Speaker 2: to discuss some of it. Shadow Minister for Local Government
40:39
Speaker 2: and the scrutiny of government a Liberal member for Western Victoria,
40:42
Speaker 2: Bev MacArthur. Well, Bev, you know, I know you want
40:44
Speaker 2: to talk about the Allen government and how quickly they
40:47
Speaker 2: need to be shown the door. But you are in
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Speaker 2: the headlines yourself today because you've been caught up in
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Speaker 2: this furor that's cost Stuart Smith, the Liberal Party State director,
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Speaker 2: his job. He has resigned over disparaging comments made about
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Speaker 2: you personally, but also the women's counsel of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this?
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Speaker 17: Well, he had no choice, in my view but to resign,
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Speaker 17: and I actually told him that you can't in any
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Speaker 17: workplace make comments like this about anybody, but especially about women,
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Speaker 17: and others that were involved in this should also consider
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Speaker 17: their position.
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Speaker 2: Well, he sees the polling, he would know that Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party's got to make up ground with women. How does
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Speaker 2: he think that sort of behavior is okay?
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Speaker 17: Well, clearly it wasn't and he's gone, and so he
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Speaker 17: should be gone. But if this culture remains, then it's
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Speaker 17: a problem.
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Speaker 2: There's also a report in the Australian Tonight that he
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Speaker 2: signed off on a six figure payout, So there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of money out of Liberal Party coffers. Over allegations
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Speaker 2: he denies them, but over allegations. He was also disparaging
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Speaker 2: about an employee who has since left the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: on the back of John Persudo and the millions paid there,
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Speaker 2: don't party members have to ask what the heck head
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Speaker 2: officers doing with their money?
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Speaker 17: Well, I think they do, and I think many have tried,
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Speaker 17: and some on the Administrative Committee have tried, as I
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Speaker 17: understand it, to find out exactly what has happened in
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Speaker 17: the case with the staff member that was brought to
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Speaker 17: the Fair Work Commission, and they should know. I mean,
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Speaker 17: you can't spend members' money in the way that appears
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Speaker 17: to have been the case.
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Speaker 2: The party is no different than a company's shareholders. The
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Speaker 2: members of shareholders. You and I both know their state council.
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Speaker 2: On the weekend, those shareholders are going to turn up.
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Speaker 2: There will be a vote for office fairer positions, or
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Speaker 2: be a vote for the party presidency. The current incumbent,
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Speaker 2: who's also signing off and all of these payouts is
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Speaker 2: under challenge. I mean, how angry is the rank and
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Speaker 2: file in Victoria.
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Speaker 17: Well, we'll see on Saturday, Peter, but from the correspondence
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Speaker 17: that I'm getting, people are very angry.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about some of the issues in Victoria
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Speaker 2: crime crisis. I spoke with Brad Batten and really strong
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Speaker 2: response in relation to bail Law's But when he was asked,
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Speaker 2: would you, as a party, if elected back in Jack's law,
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Speaker 2: give police the right to use a metal detector wand
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Speaker 2: if they think someone might be carrying a knife. You
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Speaker 2: can do this in New South Wales working well, you
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Speaker 2: absolutely can do it now in Queensland, he sat on
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Speaker 2: the fence. Why can't you support this law?
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Speaker 17: Well, it does seem like a very obvious thing to do,
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Speaker 17: and I'm sure there are many more policies coming out
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Speaker 17: in the area of crime. I've had to deal with
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Speaker 17: several in my own electors and.
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Speaker 2: The sick of you're sitting on the fence, you figuratively
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Speaker 2: the party, the sick of just that, you know, the
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Speaker 2: excuses like why can't you back that law?
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Speaker 17: Well, who knows?
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Speaker 2: We may well be yeah, but like Peter Dutton, you're
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Speaker 2: winding into an election next year. Here's big problem was
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Speaker 2: not enough was out early enough to sell it in.
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Speaker 2: I asked bread Batan about a treaty. He says, I
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Speaker 2: will oppose it. I said, okay, but if forgets in
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Speaker 2: and you're elected in November next year, will you repeal it?
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Speaker 2: And again it's set on the fence. Do you want
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Speaker 2: to see it repealed? If the treaty gets in, Ben MacArthur,
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Speaker 2: do you want it repealed?
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Speaker 17: I personally do. Peter absolutely, I've been opposed to this
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Speaker 17: from the beginning. As you know, it was a strong
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Speaker 17: opponent to the Voice to Parliament federally and this is
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Speaker 17: no different. In fact, many would say this is much
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Speaker 17: worse than the Federal Voice Deparliament. So we're opposing it absolutely.
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Speaker 17: You haven't seen the legislation yet and we haven't had
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Speaker 17: a bill briefing on it. It hasn't gone through Shadow
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Speaker 17: Cabinet all the party room as yet. The details that
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Speaker 17: we read about are horrific. And you can't, in my view,
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Speaker 17: develop a separate entity that has so much say and
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Speaker 17: writes over everything education, even not answerable even to the minister.
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Speaker 2: Can you take a message from my wonderful viewers that
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Speaker 2: are in my ear all the time to stay counsel
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Speaker 2: and back to your party room next week, crack on
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Speaker 2: with it, make some decisions and get some announcements of
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Speaker 2: policy out there.
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Speaker 17: I hear you, Peter, and I hear your viewers. They
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Speaker 17: talk to me on a regular basis, and I spend
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Speaker 17: my time fighting for the best interests of not only
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Speaker 17: my electorate but all the Victoria to get government out
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Speaker 17: of their lives and make sure we do a far
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Speaker 17: better job for the people of Victoria over there.
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Speaker 2: And if you think she's going to be daunted by you,
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Speaker 2: and now the part is state directors slurs and slings.
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Speaker 2: You don't know that when I was just speaking too,
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Speaker 2: she's tough, she's from the country. Or I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 2: We'll come back after the break. We'll talk about Hamas
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Speaker 2: and Qatar, the bombing raids there, and a whole lot
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Speaker 2: more in a moment. Let's get straight into it with
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Speaker 2: my panel. Scone is going to be a Kosha gana
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Speaker 2: past chair in the Parliaments Foreign Affairs and Fans Community.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Michael Danby, let's go straight to your reaction
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Speaker 2: to what we saw today, because we're just talking off camera.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think lefties turn up to events
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Speaker 2: expecting to get shot. I think increasingly conservatives in the
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Speaker 2: US fear that they do.
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Speaker 18: And that is something that's trying to get buried or
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Speaker 18: either inadvertently or purposely in the narrative that's going to
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Speaker 18: come out of this in the days and weeks to follow.
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Speaker 18: Both sides in it. They call it that, Oh, you know,
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Speaker 18: let's tone down the rhetoric on both sides. Great, that's
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Speaker 18: a nic high level message. But I think what you're
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Speaker 18: putting finger on is something real, and if you just
47:02
Speaker 18: look at the data of all the assassination attempts or
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Speaker 18: successful ones. Sadly that have taken place seem to be
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Speaker 18: in one direction, overwhelmingly to one side, So that is sad.
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Speaker 18: This is a huge loss because he was really such
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Speaker 18: a one of a kind figure in terms of his
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Speaker 18: talents and so carries so charismatic, so young.
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Speaker 2: So it's terrible the ripple effects.
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Speaker 18: Coming out of this.
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Speaker 2: Nobody knows how it's going to unfold.
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Speaker 18: I think you might see some people retreating because of
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Speaker 18: this fear for their lives. You might also see a
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Speaker 18: lot of people galvanizing and coming out stronger, not just
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Speaker 18: for free speech, but also for law and order, criminal justice,
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Speaker 18: finding who's committing these assassinations, holding them accountable to the
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Speaker 18: fullest extent of the laws. So let's hope we see
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Speaker 18: some action, so these kinds of things toned down and
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Speaker 18: don't keep turning it.
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Speaker 2: Experts have come out now in the last twenty four
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Speaker 2: hours say they think the strike on the hamas leadership
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Speaker 2: in Qatar. This is a different view than we got,
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Speaker 2: you know, early on from the US. In particular, was
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Speaker 2: not only justified Michael, but overdue.
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Speaker 6: View of hardheads like Spire and Ayrzakharov, who wrote Fouder
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Speaker 6: they're not necessarily supporters of Netta Yaol, but I must
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Speaker 6: have got away with for a long time, and so
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Speaker 6: of Qatar. They fund them, they ideologically support them. That's
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Speaker 6: what the ABC don't understand. They're rabbiting on for the
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Speaker 6: last two days about what a neutral party Qatar is
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Speaker 6: there not have a look at the Laura Tingle go
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Speaker 6: and have a look at the statements of any of
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Speaker 6: the defense ministers or foreign ministers, etc. We celebrate October seven.
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Speaker 6: We fund them, we support them. They're a branch of
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Speaker 6: the Muslim brotherhood just like we are. These are Sunni
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Speaker 6: extremists in Qatar, and the sooner we all wake up
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Speaker 6: to it, the better.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the events in the United States too. Again.
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Speaker 2: The horrific stabbing, now that we've seen the footage or
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Speaker 2: as much as you can stomach online about the young
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian refuge there arrible. The number of it's multi factor here, actually,
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Speaker 2: the number of people have come out and said I
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Speaker 2: feel sorry for him and ask you for simple fee
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Speaker 2: for him. The reaction about the judges who have kept
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Speaker 2: kept putting this guy out onto the strait, but also
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Speaker 2: the lack of coverage of this issue. Tool basically social media.
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Speaker 2: A storm in social media demanded that the mainstream media reported.
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Speaker 18: That is the one silver lining if there can be
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Speaker 18: one in this. So the media didn't want to report
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Speaker 18: it because it was a checkmate issue for them on
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Speaker 18: multiple levels where the racists are inconvenient for their narrative.
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Speaker 18: There was no gun involved, which is a very popular
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Speaker 18: trope that the left in America likes talking about it.
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Speaker 18: Republicans and gun control. They can't do that. This guy,
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Speaker 18: as you said, is wholly unsympathetic. He's been released fourteen times,
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Speaker 18: and there's so many people like that roaming around the
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Speaker 18: streets in the soft on crime cities and America. And
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Speaker 18: then the fourth one is she was a Ukrainian refugee
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Speaker 18: and the best type of immigrant possible was working at
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Speaker 18: a job, trying to just take public transport to come home.
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Speaker 18: Fled a war torn region to come to what she
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Speaker 18: thought would be the bestination on earth, and she just
49:57
Speaker 18: landed in another war torn reason. So that's why they
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Speaker 18: didn't cover it. The only silver lining is that, sadly,
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Speaker 18: we live in this day and age of constant media
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Speaker 18: footage and cameras, I should say everywhere, so a camera
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Speaker 18: catted and then the power of the Internet forced their
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Speaker 18: hand and that's why they're talking about it. So I
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Speaker 18: think that Charlie Kirk, all these things are sort of
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Speaker 18: a vector forming into I think the crime issue in particular,
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Speaker 18: and can we just see a stronger approach to it.
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Speaker 6: Elon Musk says that he's owed a lot of credit too,
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Speaker 6: because this premiered on Twitter and that sort of counted.
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Speaker 18: The mainstream and buying Twitter is a big such a.
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Speaker 6: Shame that sort of people don't cover things because of
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Speaker 6: the value of them, because of the ethics of them,
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Speaker 6: rather than news report is just doing things ideologically. The
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Speaker 6: New York Times and the Washington Posts are as bad
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Speaker 6: as CNN and MSNBC.
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Speaker 2: Got to leave it there. I'm afraid more time. I
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Speaker 2: promised next week that's even may have a lovely weekend.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back, of course on Monday night at six
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Speaker 2: up next. James Bickperson