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Talks to Luke Molloy & Mark Rawlins about their choice of The Talons of Weng-Chiang (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm still a little bump in my to do it quicker.
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  Three, two, one. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt, penknife the Doctor Who Coventry podcast I'm Mark.
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  And I'm joined today by Luke from Lost on Gallifrey podcast.
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  Hello. And Joe from this one car.
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  That's the where the flood and we are watching the talents of
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  winch, I an, which episode we're on to episode three.
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  Yeah, that's it. No, no.
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  It's still going well at least but we've got some question.
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  We've got questions of every last episode are in towards
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  becoming a big finish podcast. Yeah, no big finish this
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  episode. Okay, let's get back on track
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  with some questions. Yes, yes.
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  Well attention hog. Fraser Gregory has a question
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  for us here. What is it?
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  About Louise Jameson that makes her the best actor with ever had
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  in Doctor Who That's more like a statement.
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  Well, I I wouldn't have said that a while back, but watching
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  a lot of these her stories again.
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  Yeah, I think she is one of the best actors from Doctor Who she
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  really does have that. And there's something about
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  winches the way that she portrays Lila, so consistently
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  as the script allows throughout. Yeah, well, I don't know what it
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  is about her, but Definitely is. She definitely has you with
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  Sarah, Jane. Elizabeth sladen is amazing, but
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  it's a different style of acting a different kind.
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  She's always - later. She and personality.
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  Yeah, there's so little character but she's caught up in
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  your personality, interesting character.
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  Maybe that's what it is. You know what Tom Baker said on
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  that documentary about how like a pet because you know Louise
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  Jefferson said he was famously a grumpy asshole with a and she
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  didn't like it at all but he said no, he was Was intimidated
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  by how good she was and how horrible she was.
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  They probably saw a coming along of all, I'm just going to
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  faintest interest because she's a better actor than me.
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  Yeah, I know other stuff as well.
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  She's brilliant. She brings I know, we weren't
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  gonna see a big finish but in some other big finish stuff in
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  bit. Her role in survivors the big
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  finish series. She does some amazing scenes in
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  that, absolutely brilliant. So yes.
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  I think she is, I agree. Yeah, I agree with Mark.
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  Like I don't think it's something I really Just the
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  first time around, but the more you come back to it, she's got
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  such a grasp of the character that it seems Inseparable
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  between Lila and Louise Jameson. That's how good of an actor, she
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  is that you just can't imagine anyone ever playing that part
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  again. Apart from her.
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  And yeah, it's like, she keeps it up on big finish as well.
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  And regardless of story quality, she's one of those Doctor Who
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  actors. Yeah.
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  Regardless of story quality, there's always something worth
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  watching, Italy, those there. She says that she this sounds
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  weird, but she noticed like was had a dog.
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  She said that, she based the characters and I no way.
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  Yeah, those are dog was always like, observing always watching
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  and figuring out situation. So like she was saying, she's
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  never stupid, but she's uneducated.
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  So she always made her smart. But I did you get and that's not
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  an easy mix because Patrick comes across as both very clever
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  and utterly stupid and Thick at the same time, you know?
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  And you can see it in her eyes though.
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  Like constantly, she's learning, and she's soaking it in.
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  And I'm assuming you've probably met her, but she is so nice as
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  well. She's one of the nicest people.
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  I've met she put on a charity Doctor Who of Enright and Bryson
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  where she managed to. Tom Baker was the big draw.
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  But it was one of these small ones where you get to spend a
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  lot of time with people. So you came along.
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  You don't even that expensive. I don't think and that the list
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  of actors when you have brittle Baker, Sarah Sutton.
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  And you just got to spend the whole day with them.
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  It was the most incredible thing.
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  She's lovely. Yeah, I didn't realize it was a
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  thing in Cardiff. It was coffee with Louise
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  Jameson. There's like four of us and we
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  just sat down and just had a cat for an hour.
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  And she just talked about, I just go ask her anything and she
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  loved those things. Like, I don't think I could do
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  it to myself. Like I'm Phi goes to Convention
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  but I think I would find that too much but you just sit down,
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  just listen to her. It was secretly.
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  They are so. Bloody, where was it called at?
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  MIT that war place. Oh, Milne.
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  Abby. Mills or something to mining
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  with a neighbor's person. We didn't know they were going
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  to turn off. This is the one at the pub.
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  We were just sitting around hoping she Going to turn up.
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  Yeah, I'd like to. Okay, well, my next question is,
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  so the, when they change your eye color, there's no because
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  they're made of what was for her though, but why do they make
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  away contacts in the first place?
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  I don't know. But then I think I watched I
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  would have watched like robots of death or talons as like one
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  of the first leader stories and then I Aw, like, Summit much
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  later on, like invasions harness like what?
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  She looks completely different, the older eyes.
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  So blue though, aren't they? So different, she doesn't use
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  and they sort of change her concert as well a little bit in
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  the basement time. It's that she has a different
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  sort of face of Evil costume thing.
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  That's a bit of an outdated thing is that she had to have
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  brown eyes. Yeah, it's is obviously I love
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  you have rocks. Can listen to this.
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  Looks don't worry. Is she fanciable Louise Jameson?
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  Oh yeah as a kid. Yeah I think it will pass not.
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  Oh no I mean like as a kid you know go for the teenage years.
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  I don't make a difference. I genuinely doesn't make a
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  difference as long as I thought, eyes are out.
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  Yeah, okay, next question, is on a lighter note, from Joe short,
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  this is, oh yeah, at the brain of Spock, it was coming on
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  Stewart asleep, no more commentary.
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  I mean, I'd like that bold and are lighter note which other Duo
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  apart from Jacob and lightford should have their own spin-off
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  series and why is the only answer Miss Hawthorne and Benton
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  what's up? I stood right there we sort of
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  said but I think every there's so many there's so many options.
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  I know I'm going to like the episodes.
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  I would like some of my favorites and today.
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  What? Like Jeff and the eleventh hour
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  and the moxx of balhoon. What those two together?
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  Yeah. That takes some doing to bring
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  them together was thinking of someone something like a and
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  chou-heung. Well yeah I mean back.
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  I hopefully there will be a return in a own big finish
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  series. It's got me some we'll figure
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  something really obscure. I know.
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  Yeah. Like making make silly and sound
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  silly. You know who else has spot?
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  Because that's how many times she watched things like,
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  especially on podcast and stuff and you go well, big finish,
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  something a spin-off of that. So I think it is, I don't know.
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  Do my thing Thorn is up there, I mean she did do the white which
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  you Devils end. I mean, let's not Talk about
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  that DVD relates coming Mom. Let's no, let's let that stew.
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  Shall we throughout the episode? I'll come back to it.
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  The end. Okay.
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  Yeah. I'm both some good odds as all
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  right. You got 25 minutes to think
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  about it. That's God.
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  I for, I forgot we're watching. Are you ready?
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  Yeah. Okay.
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  Okay, sorry. They're quite quickly.
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  They didn't know sometimes. I'm going quickly right?
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  Mr. Sin is advancing on Lila and yes this will either goes to the
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  window God and fabulous it in. Slow motion.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  A little bit David Maloney. Loved a bit of slow motion.
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  We haven't even mentioned David Freese throws.
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  Yeah, he is the best. What's your best friend's face?
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  It Sarah, go down below. Its sorry, Genesis hands down.
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  Absolutely, that was so shocked. What okay, if I go, oh my God
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  you could have done this, you can do mr.
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  Singh, come through Lila. Through Freeze Frame.
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  And that's the end of the episode just halfway through the
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  win. But I'll freeze gracious.
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  They just need to bring them back or even when Lila has
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  attacked by the right. It could be like, sort of she
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  could be like, screaming, like driving around, and then you
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  freeze frame. That would be cool, but can't
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  see, right? I like the fact, that's why the
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  she's not stupid enough to take him on.
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  She's like, no, I'm out of it. Yeah.
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  But you know what? They like a bit of that.
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  So I've got a knife in his neck and he robots are deaf.
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  They were stabbing bloody needles in the robots head.
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  So I suppose he's got a knife but she could just sort of pick
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  him up and do what they do at the end of the story and just
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  sort of Spin and Rounders. Ha ha.
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  Oh dear Frost is anymore own because they had see the
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  costume, the dean right wall, but there was an actual Dole
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  made up as well. I just that's just in someone's
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  abandoned Loft somewhere still got that.
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  Can I why you said this was? An X-Files was his most Sinister
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  rolls out. There we go.
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  There's the word though. Troy.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Okay, just look at it. So media, they look alike and
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  everything. I mean, it's still got the knife
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  in his neck, but God's he just couldn't have been bothered as
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  much as we are. Now about knives and knife crime
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  stuff like that. No, they would they wouldn't
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  touch it nowadays with day. But classic who's got a lot of
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  noise noise play going. I actually do know if it was
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  Barry Letts, he would not have any of this.
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  This Barry Letts would not make this program.
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  He wouldn't Violence, isn't it?
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  I just it a horror in general it's always possession or it's
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  the stuff that gets under your skin is visualized as violent
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  as. Yeah.
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  Let's said he did the beginning of Android Invasion weather unit
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  guy jumps off the, into the Quarry.
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  Yeah, Barry. Let's said in his day, he
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  wouldn't have done that. As producer yet.
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  An auton man. Go right down the bottom of a
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  quarry. Then, get up and come back up
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  again. I'm not so scary.
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  It's really scary because he seems indestructible because he
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  gets up straight away. That's what's scary about, look
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  at life. I want to live in like this
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  house. I want to live in this, you know
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  what, they do living rooms and things like that.
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  So, well, during the also Vivian face house, In Stones the
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  plants? Yeah, they do sort of domestic
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  settings. Yeah, the less said about
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  canine, accompany the better. I mean even the even the
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  cabinet, the cabinet is Lovely, isn't it?
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  I'm this, but I mean, I wouldn't have it in my house but it fits
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  in that house. Jill, the fun.
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  It is lying in this episode. It is this where he goes well
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  that gun might go off in your face.
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  He goes impossible, it was made in Birmingham.
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  See you later. You will live in the doctor of
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  like very separate stories for this, don't they?
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  Yeah, well, just then they go to the theater together.
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  Later dunno, which is lovely. That's that's my favorite bit,
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  episode 4 with all the theaters. So if you like a magic show, you
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  get a magic show in news. Exactly.
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  I love it and just because it's a magic show, but with the
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  showdown, between the doctor and Chang at the same time,
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  brilliant stuff. Well, I love it when she's sick
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  and she goes just to give the responses.
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  It's not compulsory But they're all, there's a lot of scenes
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  with no dialogue in this as well and that takes a good director
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  to keep the interest up like oh look at this.
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  I'm straight. David Maloney's.
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  Last was as well you know he's skipped off the Blake's 7 after
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  this juice it's 04 lat. I think it's worth noting that
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  Blake 7 regularly, Druid 8 to 10 million viewers a week even if
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  it's not to our taste. Oh no.
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  Oh no. You got me stuck to a fans D,
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  really like like seven it's just not love it.
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  So glad. Oh my God.
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  They were mine. I felt them die.
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  Sorry, she's mellowed Rocky. So this is me, it's David
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  Maloney, the best director that because obviously this you've
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  got, your dog has come Fields. You got your Graham, Harper's
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  definitely up there. Those are like the top three,
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  and then you've got your pennant Roberts, Peter greenaway, decide
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  when way is great, I think Graham Harper.
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  Yeah. Yeah, great mop is definitely a
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  great show and survival and Ghostlight.
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  They have terrific you direct it.
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  Yeah they're good. They're not up there with your
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  first day in space and how poor Bernard.
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  Yeah he loved azumed. Are you kidding cameras?
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  He loved. There's nothing wrong with
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  Frontier of space. Thank you very much.
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  Wow. Who directed that David on
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  exceeded. Those are so flattering space.
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  Yeah, interests and time. We'll stir and timer is terrible
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  direct. But he learnt a lot from there.
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  The Dalek Daleks that's coming out next week.
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  I think it's awful. You stick to our side of it.
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  All right. What an episode where do you
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  want to start? Are we going to do this right
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  now? Okay.
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  Where'd you get the Exile? I love about the split in the
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  most fantastic way. You can't just fix everything.
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  Like you fix your bow tie and then there is straightening his
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  bow ties. Been very good.
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  Fantastic does not work like that, but that is my problem and
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  that was the promotion of it. If you guys my head, Wait, turn
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  up the contrast an awful lot. You can see every doll know, I
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  know that was that was the only bit of like that but then you
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  sort of get it in the Magician's, Apprentice not all.
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  Excuse me, what a crock of shit, the Daleks have a government
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  now, do they? Well I don't see the issue that
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  it's, it's something it's not, okay, it's not the best idea
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  that, but it's something new. It's not just like, like that as
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  a concession. Thank you very much more Daleks.
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  Now, look, the doctor. A lot for a drawn on a
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  tablecloth. We got some lovely footage in a
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  minute. Okay, I'm on a boat going up
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  with Tim's. It's very nice.
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  He goes and then or and then we'll see.
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  I mean Tom Baker's cost you. It's amazing.
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  But I wouldn't have wanted it to go any further than this
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  episode. Yeah.
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  Really like it's a one-off but a lot of layers in it must be
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  quite warm. I've just noticed his gloves,
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  never know, and I feel like life is going for sort of a Time.
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  Lord style collar. There is it is actually it's
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  vars. I saw there.
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  Yeah, we watched The other day of mr.
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  Blobby going to Alan Carr, right?
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  And he goes Lobby. No, don't watch out for miming
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  Vols and it smashes it to Pieces.
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  I'm so sorry. I need to shut up.
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  Let's talk. Okay.
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  Go like for Blobby. So using that song Blobby Blobby
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  get back on track to have lobbied cover long.
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  Is that ever also have been scarier both blogs?
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  Good episode Creature from the pair and that Dad beep.
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  Lobbyists it's like ah it's okay.
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  So this is the sequence with our look at that.
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  Well she's cantar Dax. I want to put me plates up for a
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  few hours Savvy. It's filled on.
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  K ship, but it looks so Victoria.
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  Yeah. That.
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  But my point is, this is a hooker in Doctor Who Yeah.
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  Well maybe once a kisser G, it is fairly explicit.
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  We basically get a pocket, she's just on a nice work and its
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  first thing in the morning. Yeah.
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  But you're not watching kids in the seventies, going by the way,
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  kids. She's just another lie saying
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  that are you who I think is fairly explicit that she's a
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  prostitute and that's the whole point.
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  That's the Jack. The Ripper thing, isn't it?
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  Yeah, he's great. And he's so Sinister here.
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  Yeah, that's why this outfit Chang's outfit, surveys,
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  despicable, ciao. Has other item of doing the
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  exercise of the canceled. It's hard not to though the
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  lines are so quotable. But it's worth saying that if a
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  Chinese person was saying those lines, that would be a
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  similarity in the accent. Like, I've dated a Chinese
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  person and they sounded very, like, Chang in this story.
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  Although admittedly, he did ask me to turn this off before the
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  end of episode 1, which I dutifully did.
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  Did you know the story about the sports car?
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  Oh, didn't they put a big tarpaulin over something?
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  I've only and a load of straw. Yeah, it's that low.
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  You can you just can't unsee it but, you know, the car there.
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  Apparently everyone on the street was taking pictures
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  because I thought this car was so ugly.
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  They were waiting for them to come back so I look what the BBC
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  did to your car while you're away.
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  Okay, so I see you just following the protein, I wasn't
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  sure and this is. How does he not see it?
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  This is the real stuff. Oh my God, a spin-off.
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  These two cleaning, ladies, the cleaning ladies and school.
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  I do the cleaning and stuff for him and then he brings him in
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  he's like, oh yeah. Come on ladies, I've got a job
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  for you. I thought of like the most
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  boring spin-off we could have, we could have Padma Sam before
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  and richly grunts. Great intelligence, it's just
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  very slowly about Universal domination.
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  Watch out. And that as we speak you did do
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  a bit of extra didn't hear, Pablo Sandoval for now.
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  Boy, a lot of time, but didn't service with koi say like yeah,
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  I should have taken that job. I've made a mistake who do, you
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  know? Okay, so now leaders taking the
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  place of the prostitute hasn't shown.
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  Yeah, I think goes this one's got muscles like a horse.
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  See this is where the plot will have to change the girls.
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  The first Doctrine Steven Hager Steven could be a red boy away.
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  Could he be? Jeez.
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  Okay, here we go down there. We can sort of imagine it with
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  six and Perry, but it go. Yeah, but it going far too
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  nasty. Yeah.
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  How we have seven, a mill. Perry would be like, gags and
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  put in that basket. It was absolutely freezing thing
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  from their mouths. Hi we have we talked a lot about
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  Louis Jameson. I was gonna say about Tom Baker.
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  Like if this is most charismatic turn know.
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  Oh, what is I think this is one of his best characterized turns
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  like it on the page. Oh yeah, I think okay say I
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  enjoyed satara. Yes, okay yeah, no I'm listening
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  it causes so much fun in that but it's like the perfect
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  balance of adventurer like it channels a bit of traveling and
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  Is that Bohemian that everyone thinks he is and very fun and
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  it's just a bit serious in. This is me which suits the story
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  fine, but I wouldn't. And, and it's fantastic but it's
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  not one of his most charismatic guy.
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  Sounds gay, some of his witty as lies and the cows just offered
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  me the throne. I love that.
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  I think that's just before he gets too over the top and then
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  he goes all season 18. I don't think we ever get see
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  the same age. That's right.
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  Season 8, know it's silly and season 17 and then season 18,
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  he's completely different as you know, any City in season, eight
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  seven. Wow.
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  Yeah. I'm not a fan of all of that.
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  It's a bit over that, you did. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, that's the only that's right, isn't it?
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  But I think it gets a bad rep in a series 18 though.
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  People just say, oh, he's, he's like all sad and grumbling.
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  He's got some it, if you watch his effort.
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  Like, if you watch like full circle and State of Decay and
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  stuff, he's not, and he looks a bit Hiller because he was Ill.
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  Well, I think maybe I did I, there's something yeah.
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  Very, he's very different in season 18.
• 23:21
  He's not. But maybe it's because you're
• 23:22
  thinking of a behind-the-scenes stuff.
• 23:24
  He's not going on with a stick. Maybe that's fixed.
• 23:27
  Yeah, no. He's could just like, it's not
• 23:31
  funny. And his scarf killed Stimson
• 23:36
  arrest, the scarf. Then, that's what is a different
• 23:39
  tone? Know, there's different time.
• 23:40
  That's not. There is a different time, but I
• 23:42
  don't think like, it gets his reputation of being really
• 23:44
  doubt. What I think in logopolis is,
• 23:46
  but that's fair, isn't it? I think the logopolis is like,
• 23:51
  put on the entire series always But yeah, you probably right I
• 23:55
  think after Tara is the point when he turns he is beautifully
• 23:59
  characterized here though and he's given so much to do and
• 24:03
  lots of witty lines. But he's eating out presently.
• 24:06
  Yeah I think my favorite Tom Baker's series 12 Tom Baker
• 24:09
  though. I just love season 12 so much.
• 24:14
  He's kind of dark. I think he's quite serious in
• 24:16
  that season years but he's so alien, isn't it?
• 24:20
  And you get that freshness. I think I do really Li like
• 24:24
  Doctor's first Seasons because they're so fresh.
• 24:27
  You run. They haven't quite figured out
• 24:29
  yet. I think get all the first
• 24:31
  season, I have no one race except me.
• 24:33
  I love him. I think it benefits the
• 24:35
  character because the character doesn't really know what they're
• 24:38
  doing that much or like anyone like the the trout and version
• 24:42
  of the character, let's just go around the universe.
• 24:45
  So when the after everything that you try everything and then
• 24:48
  yeah I wonder what. So after this they had to season
• 24:52
  break. I think they had six weeks off.
• 24:54
  I He did and Tom Baker, did celebrity squares or something.
• 24:57
  And apparently he was quoted as saying I'm going to do one more
• 25:00
  series of Doctor Who, well, he friend wait pretty much every
• 25:04
  season now. Maybe I think this is where,
• 25:07
  after this, you got? Yeah, it's somewhere in season
• 25:09
  15, I just something. Just go.
• 25:11
  Something is different. He's very consistent, right up
• 25:14
  until this point. Yeah, that's right around that
• 25:16
  time. Maybe it's growing with it, I
• 25:18
  don't know, there's something all up with.
• 25:19
  Well, I think, yeah, it's Gotta Be the producer, isn't it?
• 25:22
  Yeah, that's gonna be a big affair.
• 25:24
  May I respectfully disagree because I feel that season 16 is
• 25:29
  probably his most confident year I think he is utterly underrated
• 25:34
  in the 17 and he still is playing the show as and he's
• 25:37
  apart from a few moments. I Mark a point at every doctor
• 25:41
  that has a few moments. Well, I think that's that's what
• 25:45
  people get wrong about, 3017. It's that, they think he's just
• 25:47
  a big comical was taking that very seriously when I play in
• 25:51
  The Comedy are a few moments that?
• 25:55
  And I think, I mean, I still quite like that.
• 25:58
  I don't the only one I don't like is the nightmare of Eden
• 26:00
  bit when he's yeah, that it that is.
• 26:03
  But then at that point that's when it's all going.
• 26:05
  It's completely followed up with a bit where he says go away to
• 26:08
  Tris and he's, I know. Yeah, that's amazing scene.
• 26:12
  I'm sorry. Back to the prophecy.
• 26:15
  You take your hands off of me. I'm a lady.
• 26:20
  What you doing here? I'm sorry, I'm gonna do with the
• 26:23
  accents. I am genuinely impressed by how
• 26:28
  much you can quote, not just a talents just of any Doctor Who
• 26:31
  so it is unbelie-- like watching the show, right?
• 26:34
  I know meet me to do but like I won't be able to quite like you
• 26:38
  do. I can do so much.
• 26:39
  There's certain stories that I know well but not.
• 26:41
  Yeah. And like, you know, has the
• 26:44
  story. Could I tell you what?
• 26:46
  What court that's going to impress, you ready.
• 26:50
  Someone whose legendary Legend of Maine has battled Which stole
• 26:54
  the crown heads of Europe. Yeah.
• 26:58
  Super. Which and buffalo mr.
• 27:00
  Leeson chakra I would never do. I think some people just come
• 27:11
  for the quotes. You do not the insightful
• 27:13
  commentary died and I was Mark like the ones of a really like
• 27:17
  or watch thousands of times. I would know the small quotes
• 27:20
  and stuff but not every food he does is just too shy as of do
• 27:26
  it. I'll sometimes there's just not
• 27:28
  every story. You can quote Battlefield back
• 27:30
  to from. Yeah, watch that a lot.
• 27:32
  Oh, okay. So here's Lila, being attacked
• 27:34
  by the rat and this is the one time Louise Jameson said, she
• 27:37
  let herself scream as Lila because she's being chewed by a
• 27:41
  giant rat. I think that's fair.
• 27:43
  I think that's fair. So nice cream ones as well.
• 27:51
  When did I scream? She screamed when Kane put his
• 27:54
  hands to her face in Dragonfire. She goes like and really
• 27:58
  screams. Yeah, it's not one.
• 28:01
  That's what's very many times. I'm a God Perry.
• 28:04
  Be named by a rat. Oh gosh, she be running down
• 28:09
  those the any be echoing like all these all these Of the
• 28:21
  Michael spice. Even if he's not the best
• 28:23
  character, he's giving a great fall because yeah, obvious as
• 28:26
  well. He did you do the voice obvious
• 28:29
  own? I say it.
• 28:30
  Yeah, it he's or not has more life than I exactly.
• 28:36
  Great. But like I completely believe in
• 28:39
  the character. Yeah, the reveal of the makeup
• 28:44
  is same choice. That Robert home pulls off in
• 28:46
  case managers, on issue, he wasted the last episode and then
• 28:48
  the mask gets torn off and you see this hideous disfigurement
• 28:52
  underneath. I think the only thing I don't
• 28:55
  believe is there is this massive Butcher of Brisbane but I think
• 28:59
  that's because in this story is a weekend like suffering Person.
• 29:07
  But like, I don't look at anything Kyle.
• 29:09
  He wiped out like Brisbane Brisbane Brisbane do wrong
• 29:20
  because what is it should have told me.
• 29:23
  That's what he wanted. I could have shown in Brisbane.
• 29:26
  Do you think we're going to get a reference to a Nessa and power
• 29:29
  of the doctor? Oh yes.
• 29:32
  Yeah that law input boxes and local police.
• 29:35
  Yes. Have you seen, you know what a
• 29:37
  little over oh, is this to me? Is a really iconic.
• 29:43
  Cliff anger. Well, it is quite dark on my
• 29:46
  screen so I can't really see the right into much detail.
• 29:50
  I think it's just so when it just really sticks out, you've
• 29:54
  got Lila run around the corner, a giant rat and the doctor with
• 29:58
  a gun, a big fat elephant gun. It's just pointing it at that
• 30:02
  way. And you think Christ's part 3
• 30:04
  this 3 more to come Well, I'd like to make up for the lack of
• 30:08
  questions in episode 2. I'm now going to throw a few
• 30:11
  more at you in episode free if that's okay.
• 30:13
  But before we do that gentlemen, if you would care to Enlighten
• 30:17
  us with your pairings spin-off please, I was in the first half
• 30:22
  of this comment, it's been wearing in the back of a ride
• 30:25
  that I'm just really stressed about it, the whole podcast and
• 30:31
  your answer is I my answer is the mate.
• 30:35
  Blind children. Just block it just just
• 30:39
  blackmailing companions to take them on trips to the universe.
• 30:42
  Are you talking about? Angie and I I am so gonna get
• 30:46
  out and we can bring back. The Warwick Davis is porridge.
• 30:50
  He can have his little weird things they can blackmail.
• 30:56
  Just do it for the bump into to take them out.
• 30:58
  You're gonna better that answer but off you go I can't think of
• 31:01
  it. I can't think what about the
• 31:02
  Wi-Fi family? I think I would really give Jim
• 31:20
  all the balls for that. Like yeah, be sure to watch Matt
• 31:24
  that random are from even The Darlings, turn up.
• 31:27
  It was in woman who fell to Earth?
• 31:35
  Okay, fellas, I got another question for you.
• 31:37
  I got marks up give a bit of spin off.
• 31:39
  I don't know. I can't think enough him
• 31:41
  anyone's these bright adult. I was quite like more stories of
• 31:47
  Bill and Capaldi at the University like as a serious
• 31:53
  because that's set in feels like there was so much to mind that
• 31:56
  we didn't get. Yeah, it's and we just happen to
• 31:58
  see in their eyes like just yes. Yeah.
• 32:00
  Just occasion the evil advisor but like Discovery that's just
• 32:04
  have a bad like threatening to kill everybody all the Jean.
• 32:08
  Any answers, not at the moment. I'll keep thinking how
• 32:13
  disappointing? Okay, well Joe Shaw also asks,
• 32:16
  if this had been in the jna Tiara would he have stunt
• 32:20
  casted? The Two Ronnies as Jago and
• 32:22
  light of her life I could see it.
• 32:26
  Yeah, I think it would be well over lit.
• 32:30
  It would be the production values would not be amazing.
• 32:34
  Go see. I think the issue with it, it
• 32:40
  would be a lot more vulgar like Robert home that this whole
• 32:44
  production team know how to tread that line so that it
• 32:48
  stopped her. Whereas as we've been saying
• 32:50
  you'll get Perry in a bikini to doctors, wouldn't it?
• 32:54
  Yeah. Some other location somewhere
• 32:57
  and do it all on location. Bright light.
• 33:00
  Yes. Stunt casting like yeah, Jacob
• 33:02
  and Lightfoot would be and with these Saying how they're like
• 33:07
  good it is that leaders got agency in the doctors, got same
• 33:10
  pot. He just have like turlough
• 33:11
  walking around the sewers looking bored.
• 33:15
  Although you never six doctor just sort of shout in it like
• 33:18
  that and not really listening to anyone against the police and
• 33:23
  stuff and just not being. I do Wonder though if J and T as
• 33:26
  a producer from a minority group, be more tuned in to the
• 33:29
  races over and say this is not acceptable.
• 33:32
  What? Interesting?
• 33:33
  I Fair Point first. Was this, the first story that
• 33:38
  J&T workers unit production? Yeah, it wasn't involved in your
• 33:43
  creative. No, not the crazy stuff, but he
• 33:45
  did work on this. Oh, he couldn't tell us what?
• 33:48
  Yeah, I also don't want to make it clear that it's not J and T
• 33:51
  would suddenly do all this stuff.
• 33:54
  So, that's how that works. I just mean that whole like
• 33:57
  production, see ya. It was under 80s.
• 34:01
  Well, the doctor would know exactly Magnus Grill was, and
• 34:05
  they will have fought in the 51st century and, and that would
• 34:09
  sort of take a bit away from it as well.
• 34:11
  I think unique she mentioned before the, it could have been
• 34:14
  the master, it wasn't nearly that would make this story worse
• 34:18
  because so much of it is original, or feels original.
• 34:21
  Anyway, that you say, original is cherry-picked, moving out.
• 34:25
  Well, I know, I know, but I mean, I'm Doctor, I think having
• 34:28
  the master in it, it might be a good Master story, but I don't
• 34:31
  think it's stand out so much. Yeah and well and also in the
• 34:37
  80s. I've completely forgotten what I
• 34:40
  was going to say carry on. I'm so sorry.
• 34:42
  I was gonna say something about the 80s.
• 34:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:45
  In the 80s. We don't really do that.
• 34:47
  In terms of historical stuff. What you got?
• 34:48
  Like Mark of the Rani Black Orchid.
• 34:51
  Black Orchid, the visitation they're okay but I can't really
• 34:55
  see them doing a very convincing.
• 34:57
  Victorian things we did here, we can do in the Charleston, the
• 35:02
  victorians I just wouldn't there be Think about it.
• 35:04
  Would look like Mark of the Rani and I, that doesn't look great
• 35:07
  to me. I can't explain it.
• 35:09
  There's something about that. And here's a special guest star
• 35:12
  for this episode Sarah hellings direct link in the 80s.
• 35:20
  It would be the mustard as well. Be the Anthony ainley master and
• 35:24
  that's a sort of cheap and sit. Yeah, the idea is tasty.
• 35:27
  They probably would have botched it but the idea is tasty.
• 35:30
  Yeah, would you like another quick question before we go?
• 35:32
  Yeah this is from David read. We at him of all Russ says no no
• 35:36
  no. You said it wrong.
• 35:37
  See ya, it go at me for this. It's he was all Sorrows
• 35:42
  surprise. Okay, that's crazy and I was
• 35:46
  always having to go Mark for pronouncing things wrong.
• 35:49
  That's a mandragora again. Oh my God say, just walk six.
• 35:54
  The were so the question is, which is could I ask a question
• 36:00
  you you made a beam a mine would be.
• 36:03
  What is the I slide in this story and is it let the talons
• 36:07
  of Wang Chong Yang, shred your leave.
• 36:13
  Could It Be? I'm looking at you quote Master.
• 36:22
  Hey, I would say anything that goes says, all of those lies
• 36:34
  ahead, but I think that Lila like thought thinner scene just
• 36:38
  in itself is great over the jegos lines.
• 36:41
  He's got so Any good. He's turn a phrase.
• 36:44
  The way is written, is the alliteration.
• 36:46
  Yeah, that's right, word. Yeah, all of that, I wish the
• 36:50
  really player on whether we don't legislate this on other
• 36:56
  mediums. I love it when he says I'm a
• 37:01
  Nipper where my dad is up but that's just because I'll tell
• 37:06
  you which one. Do you like cancellation in
• 37:09
  coming but it's like Chang kill for Chinaman doing this chick
• 37:16
  flick. It's written.
• 37:21
  I think that's just its humor but it's also threatened at the
• 37:27
  same time. We could probably think of
• 37:29
  Hyundai's a great lines from this, go away, okay?
• 37:32
  And the very last question as we out, this is from Wicked size,
• 37:37
  queen at sighs, Wicked asks so if not onions.
• 37:41
  What would you serve that with these the goal?
• 37:46
  It's what your service is very memorable, a dead body.
• 37:50
  Yeah. Probably, what did Brody?
• 37:52
  It's a dead body? Is she talking about?
• 37:54
  Oh, that with a lot of work. Sometimes I wouldn't serve that
• 37:59
  to my rap. Take off me.
• 38:03
  Where write the script Luke, I can't beat that.