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From idea to iPhone app · AI for Founders with Ryan Estes

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The App Store is dead and the founders killing it aren't
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engineers right now. A robotics PhD who walked away
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from one of the most prestigious universities in the world, ETH
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Zurich, is handing every non-technical founder on the
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It takes 3 prompts if you've been agonizing over which SAS
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you don't trust. One team just built a working
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which one to download. You could spin up a fully native
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through a shareable link. No App Store, no test flight, no
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You go from idea to validation without a single engineer on the
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A kid in India with a phone and idea building software that
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your ID, he is now just your imagination, what have you been
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gets to build? Welcome to AI for founders.
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I'm Ryan Estes. My guest today is David Alonso,
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Co founder of Bloom, the tool that lets you build, deploy and
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share native mobile apps from your phone without writing a
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That's Kick Caster by MO Burst. David, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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Hey, thank you. Pleasure to be here.
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Absolutely really excited about your product and your story is
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incredible. The tool is called Bloom and
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kind of from the hero image it says go from idea to native
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mobile app on your phone without writing a single line of code.
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So give us the overview of Bloom and the vision for where it's
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going. Yeah.
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So Bloom is basically the the easiest and fastest way to build
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a mobile app and not only build it, but share it.
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And so the way it works is once we launch our mobile app in a
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few weeks, you'll be able to download the mobile app on your
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phone, literally type any idea that you have or speak into your
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phone, and a few minutes later you'll have a working app, you
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know, with authentication, a full back end AP is whatever you
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want that's running natively on your phone, which means it has
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haptics, it has access to healthcare, it has access to
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other native AP is and best of all, you're able to share that
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app with anyone instantly without having to get an Apple
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developer account, you know, push a bill to test flight, send
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an invite code, have other people download test flight.
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They'll be able to use our app clip to basically sideload that
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app on their phone without any setup.
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Incredible. Yeah.
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And where we want to go with this, well, we're basically
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lowering the barrier to entry of software creation.
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And we think that software is the the ultimate form of
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creative expression because it's like a super set of media,
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right? And we've seen what media
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democratization has unlocked through the creator economy that
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we know today. And so we hope something like
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Bloom will be something like YouTube, but on steroids or
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something like Notion on steroids.
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It'll allow everyone to create things that we can't even
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imagine right now. Yeah, it's fascinating.
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So when you say mobile apps, is this like creating like apps for
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iOS or Android marketplaces or is it kind of bypassing that?
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Yeah. So what our technology stack
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rests upon is Expo for as a front end framework and then
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Comex for the back end. And so the nice thing about Expo
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is that it allows us to write 1 code base for all platforms,
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web, Android and iOS. And so, yeah, that's, that's the
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power of Bloom, that you can have our coding agent build an
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app for you and then you can deploy it to web, You can deploy
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it to the App Store or the Play Store, or you can share it
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within the Bloom ecosystem through this app clip, which is
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an instant way of sharing it. Let's talk about that.
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The app click what? You're sharing an app.
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What does that look like? Yeah.
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So I'll, I'll just try to share this part of it because I'm now
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on the on the Bloom beta early access.
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And so, so I have the the bloom app here on my phone and you can
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see that it's basically, you know, a meta app, right?
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It has it's an app that I'm building that's inside the bloom
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app. And I can just go in and out of
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this app like this. And then I can build the app
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through this chat in here. And then once I have this app in
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here that is a fully native app running on my phone, I can just
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share it through this button here, the share button.
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Let's see what it yeah. And then this is basically just
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a single link that I can send to anyone.
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I can drop it in a What's up group and then when people press
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on that link, it'll open an app clip modal.
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And this is like an iOS feature from Apple that has been highly
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underutilized in the last years. And this is a killer use case
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for it because it basically allows you to load a native app
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on your phone without having to go to the App Store to, to
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install it, right? And so the app clip gets loaded
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on your phone and then we side load this individual app on that
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app clip and and it basically behaves like a native app
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running on your phone. Audible OK, let's talk about the
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kind of apps that you're you're excited about people building
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that people have built it right now kind of what what's the the
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outer limits? So what?
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What would be a great app to build with Bloom?
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Yeah. So there's many different types
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of use cases and different types of users that are using Bloom
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right now. One of them is like the personal
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software use case, right. So I use Bloom to build all
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kinds of personal apps, whether they're like to do apps or
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fitness apps or budget apps or apps that I, I guess one of the
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sweet spots is anything that is multiplayer that really benefits
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from having real time sync between devices will, will
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really do well on Bloom. You can build that in one, one
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prompt without any setup, right? Because the back end comes
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out-of-the-box. So if I want to build an app to
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track expenses with my girlfriend or to do groceries
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with my flatmates or something, Bloom would be perfect Because
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in one prompt I can have something that works I can share
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with them. And then whenever I'm using the
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app and entering items, it'll like instantly update on their
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phones. Like no refresh or out of sync
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stuff. It's all it all just works.
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And then there's another category of users who are
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building more like startupy type apps, right?
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So they're trying to build things that would have users and
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I guess that's mostly your audience.
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So founder types or non-technical entrepreneurs
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really love using Bloom. And we've seen, yeah, people
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build like pretty complicated apps with like many pages Google
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or different APIs that are being orchestrated and of course, like
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a full back end to persist data. So like complex planning apps
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that planning travel planning apps that that, you know, take a
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simple destination and a bunch of requirements for a trip or
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preferences and then do a full like full trip plan with
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different AP is for flights, different AP is for hotels.
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And of course, like an AI that stitches everything together
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into like an actual plan per day.
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But I've seen so many other apps of this style being made.
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And then the other user is like companies that want to prototype
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quickly. And so they would build parts of
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their products on Bloom as prototypes so that they're able
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to quickly to like narrow this iteration loop with their users
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instead of having to go through test flight.
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So they will just build something on the Bloom web app
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or on the Bloom mobile app, send it to users.
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And I mean, honestly, once you share an app clip with, with
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someone, you, you basically have hard reload.
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So if I make a change to the app, you know like almost
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instantly update on their phones as well which is like unheard of
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iOS development. Cool.
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Yeah, You know, this sounds like it really novel use cases for
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small groups. So basically you can create apps
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for small groups of people. I mean, of course it could be
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large, but then you can kind of custom tailor the the needs for
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the app kind of as you see fit, you know, and where, where I see
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this as being like, you know, reducing friction is, you know,
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now if you're trying to do a party planning app or you're
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trying to do a communication app, there's always going to be
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like logins and three, you know, two-part authentications and
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then there's e-mail notifications from the app.
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And just like there's so many like steps, But if it's like,
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no, no, all we want to do is be able to track expenses.
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We want to make sure that and groceries are getting taken care
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of. We want to share pictures with
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each other in the one place. So you're creating kind of a
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small group experience or you could potentially within within
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that group. Yeah, I mean, this is the the
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part that gets me really excited.
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It's it's that when some of our users like get it like they
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build one or two apps, they get over this like mental, like this
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way of thinking that we're so used to of like, oh, I want to
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solve a problem. I need to find an app for that.
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And it switches to being like, no, I'm just going to build an
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app for that. Right.
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And and yeah, the examples that you gave are perfect.
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We use Bloom internally to replace so much SAS like it's
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crazy. Like we were at some point it I
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remember we were, there were some people in our team trying
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to find like a password manager to use.
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And at the same time there was someone in the team that was
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building a password manager in Bloom and they got something
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working faster than we could decide which password manager to
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use. So and it was secure.
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Like it was a password manager he had built, you know, that
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used Google authentication, which comes out-of-the-box with
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Bloom IT, like he had prompted it so that it would only allow
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people with our domain to sign in.
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And all of that works in one shot.
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So yeah, he had something working in in like a few minutes
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and it did the job. And I think for your audience,
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what we're really excited is moving past the stage where
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Bloom is a platform where you build your user facing apps to
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founder operating system, like a place where your user app lives,
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but also all the internal tooling that you have around it.
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And at some point that might include virtual employees that
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are doing operations for your business and things like that.
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Love it. Yeah, for, you know, for
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founders, there's so many applications, right?
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Because, man, you really hit the, the, the nail on the head
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there. It's like figuring out which one
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you want to use is also. And then you got to figure out
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what, what, how you're going to use it because there's so much
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bloat, you know, So you know, for example, if you need like a
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time tracking app, it seems like a perfect way you could just do
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it internally very simply, like, hey, what do I really want to
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see from a time tracking app? These three metrics boom, boom,
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boom. Put it together, share with your
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team. It's done.
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We actually have have someone like one of our interns was was
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doing that like, yeah, they, they, they just built an app for
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themselves and Bloom that was like allowing them to track
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their hours because it's just like, is this so annoying?
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Yeah, to go and like try to figure out what an app does
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before you go through the sign in flow.
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And then always have this anxiety of like, oh, when's the
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paywall going to show up? And am I locked in because like,
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I can't get this data out of here easily.
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With Bloom, you just have access to everything.
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You have access to the code, you have access to the data that
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your app is storing, right? And you can always make changes
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to it. So yeah, I think that's just the
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way of the future. Most companies are going to are
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going to generate most of the apps that they use.
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Yeah, amazing. And this is native mobile first.
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What was the kind of reasoning behind that?
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Yeah, so my Co founder and I had built several mobile apps before
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for ourselves, for our own startups and then for clients as
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well as part of an agency and and yeah.
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So we really understood the pain very, very well of going from
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like the the huge delay between having an idea and then having
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that idea in the hands of a user.
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For our first mobile product, it took us like four months to
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actually have like our idea in like on somebody else's phone,
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which is just crazy. And so we wanted to narrow that
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and we also thought if, if we are going to have a creator
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economy for software, well, what's the most accessible way
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to make software creation available to everyone?
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And it's obviously the phone, right?
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Because that's, that's also how TikTok and, and, and Snapchat
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and other, you know, modern creator economy tools operate is
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mostly from from your phone. And so yeah, like that was
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basically it. We just thought, what if you
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could talk into your phone and your ideas would come to life in
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a few seconds, or you could Draw Something on your phone screen
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and then it would turn into a fully functional UI.
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And that just seemed to appealing not to go after.
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So once we figured out, OK, Expo can do side loading of apps, so
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you can get full bundles into an app.
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And then we figured out App Clips have a size that allows us
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to have a base app in there that is like big enough to support
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this use case. Because initially App Clips were
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like 10 megabytes. Now they're 100 megabytes in
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size. Yeah.
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Then we, then it all clicked for us.
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Yeah. I mean, the Tam for first for
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mobile phones is what, 7 billion exactly?
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And it's like also, I think one of the things that I really find
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exciting about this is, and we haven't really seen this yet, we
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also haven't launched our Android app.
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But when we do, I mean, that's going to be very rewarding for
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me because the amount of people in developing countries that
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have no access to a laptop and run their whole lives from their
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phone is just huge. Like there's several examples
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of, of some of our users that have told us that they learn to
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code from their phone, you know, so, so imagine giving this power
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of creating any kind of custom software from your phone in such
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an accessible way to, to all these like people in, in
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developing countries. That's, I mean that motivates me
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a lot as well. Percent, I mean, it's it you
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talk about democratization. I mean that like puts so much
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human capital into into play that have haven't had access to
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that, you know, and that's the the the thing about like
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privilege is being born into America.
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It's like, boy, man, you kind of hit the jackpot, you know, if
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you happen to just be born in the middle of India, you know,
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like you're, you're at such a disadvantage.
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But now you've got a phone and it, it, it doesn't take anything
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away from their IQ and their ability to create and their
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ability to, you know, now deploy technology that potentially
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could change the world. And I, I think what's so
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interesting about this stuff too, is we just don't know what
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we don't know. You know, I'm just thinking of
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like time tracking apps. I'm really still thinking inside
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the box, but as you, you know, you can see with like kind of
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open claw and like all the stuff that's coming out now, it's
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like, OK, there's going to be a whole new flavours of app
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development that we haven't even considered yet.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just like, I don't think when when the
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YouTube founders put out the first version of YouTube, I
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don't think they imagined that vlogging would become like a
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media format. And so with this, it's even
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harder, I think, to predict like, yeah, the the types of new
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apps that that will exist. It's just because the creativity
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ceiling is just so much higher than with media, right?
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So yeah. Yeah, well, and I, I really like
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this idea of, of sharing personally designed apps without
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kind of a centralized marketplace.
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You know, the, the trend right now is looking kind of bleak as
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far as like privacy and like just this kind of Orwellian
18:50
Gestapo weirdness that's kind of happening from the tech
18:54
oligarchies right now. It's a little bit like
18:56
concerning, you know, like truly you're like kind of seeing this
19:00
trend. It's like, boy, these guys are
19:02
really feeling themself of like kind of stripping us of our kind
19:05
of inalienable rights one by one right in front of us.
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You know, I, I really don't think that it's gonna fly.
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And, and ultimately, I think that what it is is it's like
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tools like this emerge where people jump on them immediately
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and abandoned kind of this like weird Big Brother energy, you
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know? Yeah, yeah, exactly it.
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It feels like, I mean, now there's yeah, there's this
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battle for, well, there's battle for attention on the one hand.
19:30
And then there's a battle for your personal data, right, For
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from all these like chatbot companies that of course get
19:36
better the more context they have and the more memories they
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have. But yeah, in the end you are
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having to pick like who you're giving your data to or your
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attention to. And I just think, I mean, I'm a
19:51
techie, so obviously for me, it's more obvious to feel this
19:54
way. I wonder if if it's going to
19:55
become a main spread preference. But for me, my preference is
20:01
obviously to build a bunch of personal apps, to build like my
20:05
own personal ChatGPT and to have that data all owned by me,
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right? It's like you have this one
20:13
database and you have a bunch of apps attached to it and it's
20:16
your. Time tracking apps, it's your
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habit tracking apps, your, your to do apps, your personal
20:23
assistant. And it's all connected to one
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database that you own, that you have access to.
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You can like have full introspection into what this
20:32
assistant is doing with your data, into what data is actually
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being stored. And, and yeah, and, and that app
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is private to you and you can share it with with some people
20:44
if you want. But yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of spooky right now, you know what
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I mean? There's like face tracking apps,
20:54
finding people and, you know, I mean, it's, it's just
20:58
intolerable. I think to to most people and
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especially as it it evolves. And you know, what I love about
21:03
technology is it's always 2 steps ahead.
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So, you know, I think something like this could really catch,
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you know, fire and kind of a grassroots kind of situation.
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I mean, I'm just sitting here, I'm having a hard time track the
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conversation because I'm like, oh, you know what?
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I do want an app where I can put all my TikTok recipes, you know
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what I mean? Once you start thinking in this
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way, you just see it everywhere and.
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And it's, yeah, I just think like it's, it's also so powerful
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because now everything is kind of segregated, right?
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You have like 1 app for XYZ that's storing some of your data
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in this warehouse. And then there's another app
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that's storing some of your data somewhere else.
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With this, if you're able to build like your, your ecosystem,
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your garden of apps, right? Because it's, it's about bloom.
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If you have your garden of apps and it's all connected to one
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database that you control, that you have access to, the power
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that unlocks is, is huge as well.
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Because then you're able to merge your, your workout data or
22:10
your health data, right, with your, the app that you use to, I
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don't know, track expenses or to track like your meals or any
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other things like that. And so, yeah.
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And then of course, if you have a personal assistant or
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something like that, or your own cloud bot or something like
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that, it has access to, of course, all the data that
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you're, that you're storing through all these different
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personal apps. So yeah, and, and of course,
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that's for the personal use case, but then there's companies
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as well, right, That, that have similar needs of, OK, I have my
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tax data in this one platform that I use for taxes and I have
22:49
some documents stored in there. And then I have another like
22:52
password manager thing here. And then I have my user facing
22:55
app there. And like you have all these
22:57
different places for your data and yeah, I think we're moving
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to a world where you can just build a bunch of internal tools
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and internal apps that are all connected to to the same
23:08
database. So.
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Yeah, OK. Here's an app idea just to test
23:13
maybe the potential. So I want a DJ app that's going
23:18
to select and play music during my work day.
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And the way I want it to select the music is through my phone.
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I want it to to watch my face and based on sentiment analysis
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basically seeing am I smiling, am I frowning, am I neutral?
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It will play music to match my emotion on my face through
23:38
Spotify. Could I build an app like that
23:40
on Bloom? I think the question is, and how
23:45
many prompts you'd be able to build, you would for sure be
23:50
able to build it. So, yeah, I mean, one of the
23:57
things that we have is API provisioning.
23:59
So I think we have the Spotify API in there, which means like
24:03
we want to make it super easy for you to get something like
24:06
this to work without having to grab an API key from somewhere.
24:11
I'm trying to figure out the trickiest parts here because
24:13
essentially you would want to open this app that it like is
24:18
able to like see your face and then from that go and like pick,
24:23
pick a song to play or a song from one of your existing
24:27
playlists or something. Would it, would you want it to
24:29
be connected to your Spotify or, or how?
24:33
Yeah. Yeah, maybe I maybe I would have
24:36
a list of like, OK, here's here's what happy songs ought
24:39
might be, here's what neutral songs, here's what like, you
24:43
know, melancholic songs might be.
24:46
And then it just could randomize them.
24:48
Yeah, Yeah. No, that's, that's totally
24:50
possible. Cool.
24:52
The question is again, how, how long and, and, or how many
24:55
prompts and we are working as hard as we can to like bring
24:58
that number down so that more people can get that aha moment
25:02
quickly. OK.
25:04
And that kind of brings us to kind of the pricing model.
25:06
So you're kind of moved to a subscription model.
25:08
You kind of have a good, better best pro.
25:11
You know, the starter is about 20 bucks a month, which seems to
25:14
be about on par with kind of, you know, AI tools right now.
25:19
And it's based on a credit system, which is also kind of a
25:21
usage rate, which I think is also kind of you need to to AI.
25:26
So the starter pack comes with 3500 credits per month.
25:29
How how are the 3500 credits managed?
25:33
Is it like 5 credits per prompt or some prompts weighted more
25:36
heavily? Yeah.
25:38
So you will consume credits purely on a usage basis.
25:43
So if you ask for Bloom to build something really complex, it'll
25:49
use more credits. If you just have to make a
25:52
little fix somewhere, it'll be, you know, a tiny amount of
25:55
credits that are used for like. With the free amount of credits
26:00
350, you are able to get simple versions of apps to work.
26:07
So you're able to get something like like an AI powered app with
26:13
Google authentication to work. If it's like a simple, you know,
26:17
AI powered app that just makes some some calls to an LLM and
26:20
stores a response or does some crud operations, You know, if
26:24
you want to like track your habits or do something like
26:27
that. That is all feasible in the free
26:30
credits and the allowance of the free plan.
26:34
And then from there you can just go and, and, and do more complex
26:38
things. The credits can also be used.
26:42
You can also by the way top up credit so you don't have to only
26:45
buy a subscription. You can also not have a
26:47
subscription and just buy top UPS.
26:50
That's also something that a lot of users do.
26:54
The thing for pro users that is really appealing about the
26:57
subscription is the two way GitHub sync because then you can
27:00
have you know, you can build like the first version of bloom
27:04
really quickly and then you can have non-technical people in
27:07
your team continue using Bloom. But you might push code to this
27:11
repository through other tools that you use like cloud code or
27:14
something. And yeah, so usage based usage
27:19
of credits will come from making changes to your app.
27:22
But also if you are for instance using the provisioned API keys
27:28
that we have instead of using your own, then that will also
27:31
consume credits, right? So if you have an app that is
27:33
generating videos initially, that will just work
27:37
out-of-the-box because it'll use our API keys.
27:40
You can of course always enter yours, but yeah, and then the
27:45
last one is usage on the back end, right.
27:48
So if your app takes off and goes viral and a bunch of users
27:52
start using it, obviously that, that traffic will be something
27:56
that we incur because we again, we, we provision back ends for
28:00
you by default. We're soon going to have the
28:03
option for you to also bring your own like COMEX deployment.
28:07
So you even have more more control.
28:10
But yeah, those aren't like that's kind of the the business
28:12
model. I love it.
28:14
So, you know, a great use case might be like, let's say I'm
28:17
working on a tool we're building with clod code and using cursor,
28:22
but we want to be able to to create fast MVPS for new
28:27
features and we're going to use bloom.
28:30
So we'll start spinning new features, creating MVPS, testing
28:34
with, with bloom. If something sticks, then boom,
28:37
we add it to the repo and then we can bring it in with clod
28:40
and, and add it to the app. Would that be like a good way to
28:43
use it for a kind of an existing code base?
28:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great, great way of
28:48
using it. Yeah, you can.
28:50
You own the code, right? So you can sync it to GitHub or
28:53
you can download the code as a zip whenever you want.
28:56
So yeah. OK, let's say I spent two months
28:59
on the pro plan, cranking it out, really get something good
29:02
where we like it. Could I then drop back down to
29:05
the free plan and it's still deployed and still functional?
29:10
Yeah, you will lose access to some of the pro features like
29:13
GitHub sync. If you go back to the free plan,
29:16
it's not like your code will be deleted or your repo will be
29:19
deletion, but you won't be able to push, push changes after or
29:24
pull changes. But yeah, like your, your code
29:29
will be there, the app will continue running and then you
29:34
can of course they'll continue to top up.
29:36
If you are using our AP is or you want to continue making
29:39
edits to the app. Amazing, awesome dude.
29:44
What a great tool. Now I know that you guys have
29:46
recently completed YC and you raised three and a half million.
29:51
Now this is a, a, a pretty competitive category.
29:53
Now, if you're thinking about like lovable and bolt and replit
29:58
our Claude code, for example, you know, when as you're kind of
30:01
moving through Y Combinator, I know you you closed before demo
30:05
day. What was kind of the confidence
30:07
that that they saw that, hey, Bloom is actually got some some
30:11
blue ocean here? Like what makes you guys stand
30:14
out to kind of your closest competitors?
30:18
Yeah. So I think the main thing I
30:21
would say is we are opinionated and we are opinionated on the
30:27
right foundations. I think.
30:29
So there's on the front end side, we are opinionated on Expo
30:33
and Expo is great because it gives us the power to to build
30:38
universal apps, right. So apps for web, iOS and
30:41
Android. And that's something that
30:43
unlovable you won't be able to do for instance.
30:45
And on Replit you will be able to do, but it's like like their
30:50
level of abstraction is lower. So you have, you know, you don't
30:55
have as much opinionation, which means you have to make a lot
30:58
more decisions about what stack to use.
31:01
And that's something that for bloom, you don't have to think
31:04
about. And that also allows us to make
31:06
the product better because the agent has very clear guidelines
31:10
on what like what you know, what guardrails to like.
31:14
It has a bunch of guardrails and harnesses that other platforms
31:18
cannot have. Right, Because on on cursor on
31:21
cloud code, you can just build on any stack that you want.
31:26
On Replit, you have, I think they have some back end that
31:30
they're opinionated on, but you can also use other back end.
31:32
So it's like, let it's a bit more opinionated than cloud
31:37
code, but less opinionated than Bloom for for the back end.
31:42
Our opinionation is convex, which is one of the hottest back
31:48
end as a service right now. It's it's like started to pop
31:50
off in the last few months. The standard that everyone was
31:53
using is super base and so lovable.
31:57
I don't know about Replid, Replid might use their own
32:00
Postgres database somewhere. But our opinionation is convex
32:05
and it's something that is a bit hard to explain quickly.
32:08
But convex is just miles ahead I would say.
32:11
Then other back ends of the service.
32:13
And I think if you're not a developer, it might be hard to
32:16
understand, but if you start using bloom, you will, you will
32:20
see, you will see why it's easier to get like more complex
32:24
features working on Bloom than on other platforms.
32:27
And a lot of it comes from our opinion nation and, and the fact
32:30
that comics is already like a very good foundation to to build
32:34
with. So like this real time sync
32:36
between devices, you know, it's something that bloom is able to
32:39
build super easily. And that's something not very
32:43
easy to to get to work on other platforms, for instance.
32:46
That's a big bet on that product.
32:48
What what influenced that decision, especially when
32:50
everybody else is using Super Base?
32:52
Yeah. So we were, we were power users
32:55
of Comex, so we used it on our previous product and loved it so
32:58
much. We were coming from Firebase
33:00
before and yeah, it was an instant, instant sell for us.
33:06
It's it's basically you don't have to worry about sync.
33:09
It's completely type safe. Everything is specified in code
33:14
and it's built by an incredible team.
33:17
The CEO of Comex is actually one of our Angel investors and we,
33:21
we won like the first full stack hackathon on Comex with our
33:25
previous product, which was like I'm Notion UI for Firestore
33:29
data. And so yeah, we, we were just at
33:32
that point, we had a lot of conviction and many people did
33:35
not even know about Convex. So that definitely gave us an
33:38
edge. But aside from that, like when
33:41
we were going through IC and raising around, we were the
33:44
first ones to to be doing this. Like we were the first ones to
33:48
get an app clip, you know, to like, like to do the sharing
33:52
experience through an app clip that never existed before.
33:54
So like when we were doing demos during fundraising week, like
33:58
investors were just like blown away.
34:00
And and they were making intros to the other investor friends
34:03
saying this is the best tag demo I've ever seen.
34:05
Because it was like, holy shit. Like he just showed me a mobile
34:09
app on the web app. He just gave me a link.
34:11
And now I have this native app running on my phone.
34:13
And when I add an item to his grocery list, like it appears on
34:17
their database and on their phones as well.
34:19
And like, that was built in three prompts.
34:21
Like what? Yeah.
34:23
So, so that, yeah, we were definitely the first ones to do
34:28
a bunch of these things and we're just trying to keep up
34:31
with the speed of this space. It's incredible.
34:34
I mean, it really is so cool. I'm stoked.
34:36
My, my daughter's in college, you know, maybe 9 hours away.
34:41
So I, and I've been working with her on like coding a bunch of
34:44
vibe coding a bunch of different tools and stuff.
34:46
So I'm, I'm really looking forward to playing with her, you
34:49
know, and seeing like how we can like exchange tools.
34:53
It it just it's incredible. Now you you're this is very
34:57
early. I don't think you guys have even
34:59
officially launched yet. We're I, I'm, I feel very lucky
35:02
that I'm able to talk to you at this point because it's rare
35:05
that I find somebody kind of before the actual true launch of
35:08
the product. So it's super fun for me.
35:10
And I want to give a shout out to Kevin from Snipped for making
35:13
the intro and making this happen.
35:16
Love snapped. Also super cool app.
35:19
Now what I want to ask is as you're approaching go to market,
35:22
like what's your strategy? How are you going to get this in
35:25
people's hands? Yeah.
35:28
So we haven't had that many issues with top of funnel.
35:34
Like a lot of it has been like most of our marketing couple of
35:39
funnel has come from other people doing marketing for us
35:42
like that we haven't even asked for.
35:44
So we've been in early access for the last months and, and,
35:50
and yeah, like there's been a few viral moments where we just
35:52
didn't plan something. But then some big account on
35:55
Instagram posted like a video about us and that one kind of
35:58
viral and then a bunch of users came in and tried the product.
36:02
But now we're gearing up for the official launch, as you said,
36:04
which is timed with the launch of the mobile app.
36:08
And honestly, most of what I want to do is have growth come
36:12
from product, product LED growth, right?
36:15
So you build an app, you're absolutely blown away.
36:18
You tell all your friends about it.
36:20
You share that app with your friends until it gets into the
36:24
hands of someone that's really influential.
36:27
Like if this gets into the hands of a Justin Bieber, a Hailey
36:31
Bieber, I don't know, like a big YouTube or whatever it is, then
36:35
obviously, like this would be huge, right?
36:38
Just imagine like a Taylor Swift concert where there's AQR code
36:43
and it leads to an app clip, right?
36:45
And it's an app that Taylor Swift built herself that allows
36:49
people at the concert venue to interact with each other and to
36:52
get haptic feedback on their phone when something in the
36:55
concert is happening, right? Like just imagine like there's
36:58
going to be moments like this that that I think are going to
37:01
be the the biggest levers that we're going to have for growth.
37:05
So yeah, I'm mostly thinking about that more.
37:08
Most of our marketing spend is going towards those free credits
37:11
that go that allow people to build a simple app for free and
37:15
get to that aha moment. But I mean, we're going to see
37:19
like there's, I don't have it all figured out.
37:24
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of pressure in in product LED
37:27
growth, right, that it does just happen to fall in the right
37:30
people's hands and they do just happen to to do it.
37:34
Is there anything like more aggressive that you're
37:36
considering aside from the podcast, which is going to blow
37:39
you up? AI for founders.
37:41
Lyft incoming. Yeah.
37:45
So what what we want to make sure is that we do have like a
37:48
fire going and the users that are on the platform are like are
37:53
staying and are getting a lot of value from the product.
37:57
And then if that's happening, then yeah, we can add fuel to
38:00
the fire in many ways. We can obviously do the standard
38:05
UGC programs and other other marketing campaigns or even ads,
38:11
but I don't know, I think the the hard, like the hard part for
38:16
us is to build a product that really blows people's socks off.
38:19
And, and the cool thing is that there there are a lot of socks
38:23
to be blown off. This is at first for many
38:28
people, like many people have no idea that this is even close to
38:31
possible. Right.
38:32
Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's interesting
38:35
in the in the UI. So maybe the challenge is is,
38:38
you know, time to value one problem with like, hey, you can
38:42
build whatever you want. Here is you're starting with a
38:44
blank page and like the blank page can be very intimidating.
38:49
I had a great conversation with the found with Siggy from
38:53
Overtune and Overtune is like a beat making software that you
38:58
actually own the rights to. So you can like record demos,
39:00
you can make recordings and publish them and you own the
39:02
recording. Really cool.
39:04
But one thing they do is like when you kind of show up, it has
39:07
a whole song sequenced for you. So when you hit play, then you
39:11
can start playing with it. You know, I wonder if there are
39:14
like core apps that people will use and I know what they are it
39:19
actually it, they are, they're task lists and they're workout
39:24
trackers, you know, and builders, you know, I wonder if
39:27
like when people are on board, it's like, Hey, customize your
39:30
own personal workout, you know, and then they can go in there,
39:32
make a couple decisions and then it builds the app for them and
39:35
gets them into the, into the feeling that they're, they
39:39
don't, they're not intimidated by the blank page.
39:42
Yeah, that that's a really good point.
39:43
Actually my Co founder is currently working on the
39:45
onboarding experience. So I should I should pass those
39:48
those ideas to him. But I agree with you and we're
39:52
definitely we definitely are going to have a templates
39:56
marketplace or a showcase page that makes it very easy for
40:00
people to get a sense of what's possible.
40:04
But yeah, I am really curious what like the ideal onboarding
40:08
experience is like. Is it like?
40:10
Is it like a chat where it it's very conversational at 1st and
40:14
it just wants to get to know what what you might want to
40:17
build, whether it's like for a company or for your own personal
40:21
use case. And then it just presents like a
40:23
bunch of starting points and then, yeah, you, you go from
40:27
there. Yeah, no, it's cool.
40:29
I'm I'm, I'm playing with it now as we're talking.
40:31
And one thing I really like that it's doing is it's taking my
40:35
initial idea and then it's asking me questions to make it
40:38
better, but it's also asking me ABC or all questions so I don't
40:43
have to type. I can just click.
40:44
You know, I think some of the best UIS right now are almost
40:47
like surveys where, you know, 'cause I'm lazy, I don't want to
40:51
type something out. I just want to hit buttons.
40:53
So it's like the faster I'm hitting buttons and it's making
40:56
decisions. I'm like, oh, wow, I'm really,
40:58
I'm really doing it here, you know?
40:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
41:01
I think the cool thing also about Bloom that is not really
41:05
visible right now is that the collaboration experience is
41:09
going to be really, really great.
41:11
So collaboration with your team, but also collaboration across
41:15
devices. Like right now if you have the
41:17
mobile app, you would basically see like the stream happening in
41:21
real time. So if you send a message from
41:24
your phone, you will see it in real time streaming on the web
41:27
as well. And any of your teammates in
41:29
that workspace will see exactly like the same synced state.
41:33
And so yeah, you could like send a prompt from the web, but then
41:37
you're on the go. And then Bloom asks you some
41:39
questions and then you can answer those questions in the UI
41:42
on mobile, right? Like you would be able to do
41:44
that survey on mobile and it's all it's all synced so.
41:48
Yeah, now you know the fun part too, About like being able to
41:52
create it. Is it it you can like hack it
41:55
and make it the way you want it, You know, so you were talking
41:59
about remixing projects. If there's a, a, a bullpen of,
42:03
of other people's projects where you like, I like that, but I
42:06
wanna make the UI look like, like a werewolf pirate.
42:10
And that's the way I want to look at my workout routine.
42:13
Planner is for werewolf pirates. You know, it's like, you know
42:17
what, back in the day when we had Myspace, you know, you could
42:20
hack all the HTML and you could customize your page and you
42:24
could make it really fun. And it, it's actually what kind
42:26
of got me into programming is like, I was like, oh, cool, you
42:29
can do these different things. And we've really gotten away
42:31
from that. They've really kind of taken the
42:32
tools out of people's hands. But now, you know, we can, you
42:35
can really experiment with stuff.
42:37
And, you know, now as I'm kind of coding different things and
42:40
it's falling out of favour with me and I'm like, ah, I'm sick of
42:43
this. Then I'll start really just like
42:45
smashing it up with like weird ideas just because why not, you
42:49
know? Yeah, it's do.
42:51
Yeah, I totally agree with that. Yeah, No, I think that's going
42:54
to be super, super powerful. And and that's again, another
42:57
thing where, yeah, you will never feel that lock in if
43:01
you're using like instead of finding a software that already
43:05
exists, you would just ask Bloom, hey, I want to solve this
43:08
problem. And then Bloom will find like
43:10
existing templates that you can go off with to solve that
43:14
problem. And then you'll never be locked
43:15
in with the feature set of the template because you can always
43:18
add stuff to it. Yeah.
43:21
Cool. David, I want to talk about you
43:22
personally. Some people have said that you
43:24
are crazy, you're a madman, you're ridiculous, largely
43:30
because you were at the tip of the spear at ETH Zurich studying
43:34
robotics and pursuing a career in robotics and pivoted into
43:39
start-ups. Why did you make the change?
43:43
Yeah, yeah, I am like, I'm a pretty obsessive person, so if I
43:48
get obsessed about something, I just go all in.
43:51
And right now that obsession is is bloom.
43:55
But at the time my obsession was robotics.
43:57
And I was, yeah, I was really into self driving cars and
44:01
quadrupeds and humanoids and doing reinforcement learning
44:05
research and things like that. But then one of the other things
44:09
that is constant about me is that I love learning.
44:12
And so at that time I was trying to learn about app development
44:16
and I just got super hooked by it.
44:18
Like I just really love the tight feedback cycle, right?
44:22
Like the hard reload effect where you change something and
44:25
you instantly see what that change does or what it looks
44:29
like. And yeah, and then I met my Co
44:32
founder around that time. He's one of the best designers
44:35
that I know. And everyone that goes and
44:37
checks out Blue will instantly be able to see the quality of
44:41
his work. And yeah, we were a great match
44:44
because I'm more on the back end agent infrastructure engineering
44:49
side and he's more of a design engineer.
44:52
And so yeah, it also became super addicting to to work
44:55
together with him. And that's how how we stuck
44:59
together and kept going through different pivots and investor
45:03
rejections and all of that. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's brutal
45:07
being a founder now having somebody who's so closely
45:10
acquainted with with the the future of robotics.
45:13
Can you give us any insights of what the next 12 to 24 months
45:16
are going to look like? Are we going to see humanoid
45:18
roll roll outs on a massive scale from Tesla and all this
45:21
thing like they're kind of talking about you are about to
45:24
spend anywhere from 100,000 to $300,000 on your kids college
45:28
education and that's not a small bet.
45:31
And right now, there's a very real chance that they graduate
45:34
and can't find a job, not because they weren't smart
45:36
enough, not because they didn't work hard enough, but because
45:39
the job market changed and nobody told them.
45:42
Employers are hiring AI native candidates, people who don't
45:45
just know their field, but know how to work with AI at a
45:48
professional level. And most colleges are not
45:50
teaching this, not even close. ainativestudent.com is the
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46:10
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46:12
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46:22
To be honest, I know I have a robotics master's degree, but I
46:26
don't feel entitled to like make predictions on that because it's
46:30
like I have been out of the robotic scene for a while and
46:34
it's moving so fast that it's, I mean, I had some batch mates NYC
46:38
that we're doing robotic startups.
46:39
And I know some of them were doing like general robot
46:43
learning companies where robots will be able to learn from
46:49
examples. And I had other, other batsmates
46:54
that we're doing like robotics and labs for research, right?
46:57
Research acceleration, which is super exciting on the humanoid
47:01
front. I mean, I know almost what you
47:03
know, and like I've seen these demos of all these different
47:05
companies that are trying to do robots for home.
47:08
And I, I mean, the only thing I can say is that the, the long
47:13
deal in robotics is, is where, where the difficulty is.
47:17
And we've seen that with self driving, right?
47:19
Like in 2000, what 15 people were already predicting that we
47:23
were like so close to having like fully self driving cars in
47:27
cities, like exclusive exclusively.
47:31
And yeah, I think it's just that long tail of interactions in a
47:35
in the high dimensional physical world.
47:38
This is so tricky to to get right.
47:41
And and for robots operating at home, I think that's also the
47:46
case, but I might be wrong. I, I, I again, I don't feel
47:50
super entitled to stuff. Yeah.
47:53
Nice man. Thank you for that.
47:55
We're ready to enter the quantum zone.
47:58
Are you ready? Yeah, please.
48:02
I'm so ready. What's a a savory failure that
48:06
you'd like to share? Something that went horribly
48:08
wrong and made you reevaluate your life decisions.
48:16
So anytime in my life or or read like recent.
48:26
Oh, anytime it could be anything more humiliating and
48:31
embarrassing, the better. Oh I wish I would have gotten
48:34
this one first because I I had not.
48:37
I have not thought about the black.
48:40
I think I'm mostly trying to grapple with the failures of,
48:46
you know, the day today. I like trying to get it done
48:49
and, like, hire the right people.
48:50
And I'm not spending a lot of time reflecting like my life
48:55
failures. No problem, we'll skip it.
48:58
Speaking of hiring, how big's the team?
49:01
Yeah, Right now we're about 5 people, but it's changing
49:05
rapidly. We have a bunch of people on
49:07
trial. It's a very interesting time to
49:10
be hiring, right? Because what do you hire for?
49:13
What skills are going to become obsolete in a few months?
49:17
Yeah. And and then of course, like a
49:19
bar is so high for for talent at the moment, given, given the
49:24
difference between someone that is excellent and someone that is
49:27
good because now an excellent person has like so much leverage
49:33
to like spread that excellence or like multiply that excellence
49:37
with hundreds of coding agents. That's on the engineering side,
49:40
of course. So yeah, we we are about 5
49:45
people hiring for excellence, not quantity of people.
49:49
You know, the bottleneck is not how many lines of code you have
49:52
to write anymore. That used to be a thing, but not
49:55
anymore. It's taste.
49:57
Incredible. How are you using LLMS
50:01
personally in your personal life?
50:02
And then what's a favorite product you have right now,
50:06
digital or otherwise? Yeah, I'm mostly using LLMS for
50:13
coding 100%. So like I spend my, my day in
50:16
cursor right now. One of the really exciting
50:20
things that we have on the road map is to start building bloom
50:24
inside bloom, right? And then I hope to be spending
50:27
most of my day in Bloom, building bloom.
50:30
And, and then of course, with the launch of the mobile app and
50:33
having early access to, to this test flight app, I'm also
50:37
spending a lot of time building like all kinds of personal apps
50:41
and trying to find out the limits of bloom.
50:44
But that's going to become so much more powerful in the next
50:46
few months as we make improvements to our agent and as
50:49
we allow you to create this like garden of apps that is connected
50:54
to, to a data source. So yeah, super stoked about
50:58
that. Amazing.
50:59
If you were to go to university today, what would you study?
51:04
Yeah, that's such a good one. Oh my God.
51:08
I would have a bit of an existential crisis first of all.
51:12
So I might study psychology, but I honestly, I think computer
51:19
science, maths, I don't know, like I think the the ability to
51:25
think about heart problems is still going to be super useful.
51:32
And so I would probably be doing that, but I most likely would
51:36
not go to university. I would just start to build and
51:40
learn. I guess.
51:42
I guess it depends. Like if you want to found a
51:46
startup, one of the best, like one of the best things that a
51:49
university gives you is a pool of Co founders, right?
51:52
And so that would probably be the biggest reason that I would
51:54
go to a university is if I was able to get into a good
51:58
university, is to find people of high caliber that I would work
52:02
with or I would hire in the future.
52:06
Aside from that, I would want to make sure that, yeah, like I'm
52:09
going to be able to learn at A at a fast speed and that a fixed
52:13
curriculum is not going to hold me back.
52:16
I just don't like the way of learning where it's also
52:20
prescriptive, you know, like here's a list of things that you
52:24
have to know. I I find it way more exciting
52:26
when people learn as they find problems they have to solve.
52:30
And, and with AI now, that's easier than ever, right?
52:33
So yeah. Oh, I don't know what
52:36
universities are going to look like honestly, in the long term.
52:38
Like, I think what human aspect is really useful still like
52:42
bringing together people that are excited about the same thing
52:44
and that are at the same intellectual level.
52:47
But does it become something where it's more challenge based?
52:50
It's like, hey, with this group of people, here's a challenge
52:54
that like an actual challenge in the real world, you know, go
52:57
solve it and and get supervision from someone experienced in the
53:01
field maybe. But like this, this way of
53:04
learning as you as you do things.
53:07
Yeah, the idea of sitting in a classroom and listening to 1
53:10
human talk for 90 minutes, I mean, already seems like super
53:14
passe, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:19
I'm so it's like, wow, there we go.
53:23
Hey I I this has been amazing. I want to give a quick demo of
53:26
what I built while we were talking.
53:28
Yeah. So So what I did is I just put
53:32
in 2 words caffeine tracker. That was my prompt.
53:35
It asked me a series of maybe 5 or 6 ABC questions.
53:39
I just kind of tapped it out and this is what it put together.
53:42
Incredible in about 3 minutes. So you press on the can you
53:47
press on the? Oh, wow, that's awesome.
53:49
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
53:50
And this is a problem I've had it kind of the insight I had
53:52
this weekend is that like I'm just getting too sauced on
53:55
coffee. Like if I, I'll, I'll make
53:57
myself like 3 lattes during the day and I'm completely like
54:00
geeked out, you know? And it's, it's too much.
54:03
So I'm like, OK, I want to slow the pace down.
54:05
So here this morning I could choose between coffee or tea or
54:09
energy drinks or sodas. Let's see coffee, what I had
54:13
this morning, I had 75 milligrams.
54:15
So that's given me the one drink today.
54:17
I've got 125 milligrams left if I want to be on that 200.
54:21
So that's great. You know, I can have maybe maybe
54:23
another half cup, you know, it gave me.
54:27
You can set your limit here. This is all intuitive.
54:29
I didn't ask it to do this. It gives me kind of like a A7
54:32
day readout of what's going on, an FDA recommendation.
54:38
Incredible. So cool man.
54:41
Yeah, the Super powerful thing about this is that it's not a
54:44
fixed UI, right? Like at any point you can make
54:46
changes to this and you own all of this data, like.
54:50
So if you go to the panel on the left on the sidebar, that's
54:54
yeah, there. And then you go to the table,
54:58
like the sidebar there, that looks like a table.
55:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It said data.
55:04
No, no, no, you were hover. Yes, Yeah.
55:06
You can see that all of this data that is populating the app
55:10
is actually stored in this database, and you can change it
55:12
at any point. And if you go through that, if
55:14
you go to the tables thing on the left, it's not really
55:18
visible. It's like slightly to the right.
55:21
I wish I could like annotate your screen slightly below.
55:26
No, yeah, data. And then to the right, to the
55:29
right of this sidebar, go down. Yes, yes, it's so hidden.
55:34
We need to update that. Yeah, you can go to your intakes
55:36
and all of that. Yeah, All of the data that you
55:38
see in the app is now there. And if you can, yeah, like go to
55:42
intakes and change the number from 75 to 80 or something.
55:48
And now look at the look at the UI.
55:51
Boom. Wow.
55:52
So you can fit through the tables in real time.
55:56
That's incredible. Yeah.
55:57
And, and now the coolest part, like press on preview on device
56:02
on the top right, right. So now I'm going to, I'm going
56:06
to open this QR code on my phone as well.
56:15
One second. So for you, since you don't have
56:30
the blue map, it'll open in an app clip, right?
56:32
And you will see what that experience looks like.
56:35
So anyone without an iPhone would be able to open the app at
56:38
the speed that you're opening it.
56:41
I can show you that I already have the app on my phone with
56:44
all the data synced. Right.
56:47
So cool. Yeah.
56:49
So that's how fast it is to go from having other people with
56:54
your app on their phones. And so I can add something now.
56:58
I mean, I know that if you wanted to make this shareable,
57:01
you would add authentication to have multiple users.
57:04
But let me add an Americano. And now just go back to the web
57:08
app and you'll see the data has updated.
57:10
Yeah, you see, the Americano is there and it's.
57:15
That's so cool. Oh, that's that's the power of
57:18
bloom like. Wow, David, incredible.
57:24
Congratulations everybody. You go check out Bloom.
57:27
By the time this airs, he'll probably be launched it, but it
57:30
might be a soft launch, who knows?
57:31
It's Bloom dot DIY. David, what's the best place for
57:36
people to connect with you personally online?
57:39
Yeah, follow me on LinkedIn or Twitter.
57:43
Those are the platforms that are post on the most.
57:46
So on Twitter it's it's David Alonso.
57:50
And otherwise, yeah, just type in my name on LinkedIn.
57:54
And I will put links to both your your ex and your LinkedIn
57:59
in the show notes. I'll put links to this coffee
58:02
app. If you want to see my coffee
58:05
intake, I'm going to put it there and you guys can check it
58:08
out. Again, David, thank you so much
58:10
for joining me of. Course it was a pleasure.
58:13
It was so fun talking about this.
58:15
I agree. Cool.