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The Morning Key That Exposed a Secret Life and a Borrowed Name · Hidden Double Lives

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  Speaker 1: On the morning of March 11th, 2019, a retired librarian
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  Speaker 1: named Marilyn Simpson arrived at Calvary Ridge Community Church to
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  Speaker 1: set up folding tables for a rummage committee. She was
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  Speaker 1: 63 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Methodical.
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  Speaker 1: The kind of volunteer who arrived before everyone else and
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  Speaker 1: left after everyone else. Somewhere between moving chairs and straightening
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  Speaker 1: a tablecloth skirt, she noticed something on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: A key ring.
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  Speaker 1: It had slid partly under the fabric, as if it
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  Speaker 1: had been trying to hide. She picked it up and
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  Speaker 1: read the laminated tag attached to it. The tag said,
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  Speaker 1: Tenant Karen Mills, Unit 4B, Ashgrove Commons. Move in, November 1st, 2018.
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn did not know anyone named Karen Mills. Nobody in
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  Speaker 1: the congregation did, either. That key ring would unravel five
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  Speaker 1: months of a life lived in two separate directions. and
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  Speaker 1: the person at the center of it would never be
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  Speaker 1: charged with a single crime. Jessica Anderson was 26 years
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  Speaker 1: old in the winter of 2018. She had grown up
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  Speaker 1: in Portsmouth, a mid-sized town the way mid-sized towns tend
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  Speaker 1: to be. Not dramatic, not anonymous, just known. She worked
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  Speaker 1: as a leasing coordinator at Whitfield Properties, a job that
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  Speaker 1: put her in contact with apartments, contractors, Maintenance schedules and
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  Speaker 1: the paperwork that makes a rented space become somebody's home.
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  Speaker 1: Her supervisor was a man named Brian Tuller. Her colleagues
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  Speaker 1: described her as organized and reliable. Every morning, Jessica walked.
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  Speaker 1: She left the Gable Street apartment where she lived with
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  Speaker 1: her partner, where she lived with her partner, Wendy Rafferty,
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  Speaker 1: and followed the same route, down toward the riverside path,
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  Speaker 1: past the old grain elevator.
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  Speaker 2: Where a mural.
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  Speaker 1: Covered the entire south-facing wall. At a low concrete pylon
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  Speaker 1: near the mural's base, she stopped. Two minutes, sometimes three.
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  Speaker 1: Then she turned around and went back. Neighbours on that
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  Speaker 1: stretch had seen her enough times that the pause registered
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  Speaker 1: as part of the landscape. Jessica Anderson, stopping at the pylon,
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  Speaker 1: the way someone stops at a window or a photograph.
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  Speaker 1: Not quite looking at anything, and not quite, not looking...
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Rafferty was 31, a physical therapist, five years older
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  Speaker 1: than Jessica, and by most accounts, the more anchored of
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  Speaker 1: the two. Monica Rafferty, Wendy's sister, described the relationship as
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  Speaker 1: highly functional. She used that phrase specifically, highly functional, which
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  Speaker 1: is the kind of description that tells you more about
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  Speaker 1: the speaker's need for order than about what actually lives
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  Speaker 1: inside a household. What Monica could confirm was that Wendy
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  Speaker 1: paid her bills on time, showed up to family gatherings,
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  Speaker 1: and processed problems the way a physical therapist.
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  Speaker 2: Might process a torn ligament. Locate it. Name it. Build
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  Speaker 2: a plan. She was methodical.
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  Speaker 1: That word will come back. The apartment on Gable Street
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  Speaker 1: had been their shared space.
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  Speaker 2: For three years. The truth. Routines.
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  Speaker 1: A forward focus in the lot. From the outside, and
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  Speaker 1: apparently from the inside too, the relationship worked. Jessica still
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  Speaker 1: paused at the mural pylon every morning. Wendy still scheduled
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  Speaker 1: her shifts around dinner at home. But sometime in the
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  Speaker 1: late summer of 2018, a precise date is not publicly confirmed.
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  Speaker 1: Something else had begun. Jessica met Craig Elmore through a
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  Speaker 1: Whitfield Properties maintenance call. He was 34, a contractor based
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  Speaker 1: in Evandale, a town 22 miles east of Portsmouth. On
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  Speaker 1: the state route, he had recently gone through a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: The maintenance call became conversation. The conversation became evenings. And
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  Speaker 1: at some point between that first meeting and the 1st
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  Speaker 1: of November 2018, Jessica Anderson decided that whatever was happening
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  Speaker 1: needed its own address.
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  Speaker 2: On the 1st of.
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  Speaker 1: November 2018, a woman named Karen Mills signed a lease
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  Speaker 1: for Unit 4B at Ashgrove Commons in Evandale. She paid
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  Speaker 1: the deposit in money orders. She listed no employer reference.
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  Speaker 1: She gave a phone number that connected to a prepaid line.
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  Speaker 1: The Ashgrove Commons manager later described her as quiet, organized,
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  Speaker 1: and prompt with rent. Every month, money orders arrived from
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  Speaker 1: rotating purchase locations across Portsmouth and the surrounding county. Never
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  Speaker 1: the same pharmacy twice. Karen Mills did not exist. The
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  Speaker 1: name had been assembled from two pieces of Jessica Anderson's past,
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  Speaker 1: a college roommate's middle name, and the street where Jessica
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  Speaker 1: grew up.
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  Speaker 2: It was not a spontaneous alias. It was constructed.
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  Speaker 1: And the construction had begun before the lease was ever signed.
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  Speaker 1: Craig Elmore started spending evenings at Unit 4B in December
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  Speaker 1: of 2018, three to four times a week, according to
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  Speaker 1: his later account to investigators. He was recently divorced. He
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  Speaker 1: knew the woman in Unit 4B as Karen. He knew
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  Speaker 1: she worked in property management He knew she drove a
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  Speaker 1: Ford Focus. He did not know her name was Jessica Anderson.
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  Speaker 1: He did not know she had a partner named Wendy
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  Speaker 1: Rafferty waiting at an apartment 22 miles west on the
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  Speaker 1: state route. There is a detail here that stops the
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  Speaker 1: story for a moment. Not because it is dramatic, but
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  Speaker 1: because it is so ordinary. It almost hides what it means.
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's daily commute from Gable Street to Whitfield Properties, office,
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  Speaker 1: client calls. Site visits produced 8 to 10 miles on
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  Speaker 1: the odometer. That is the arithmetic of a normal workday
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  Speaker 1: in a mid-sized town. In January of 2019, Wendy noticed
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  Speaker 1: the Ford Focus was logging 40 to 60 miles on
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  Speaker 1: days when nothing on the calendar should have required it.
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  Speaker 1: She did not say anything. She noted it. That is
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  Speaker 1: the first image loop opening in the middle of this story.
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  Speaker 2: A number.
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  Speaker 1: 40 to 60 miles where 8 to 10 should be.
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  Speaker 1: Not a confrontation, not a question asked aloud, just a
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  Speaker 1: gap between what the odometer said and what the schedule allowed.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy filed it, the way a physical therapist files the
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  Speaker 1: first twinge before a joint gives out. The second image
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  Speaker 1: came in late February. Wendy noticed a phone, dark green case,
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  Speaker 1: newer model, kept in the interior breast pocket of Jessica's coat.
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  Speaker 1: Whitfield Properties allowed its leasing coordinators one company-issued device. Jessica
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  Speaker 1: carried two. The second phone never came out at the
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  Speaker 1: dinner table. It never charged on the shared nightstand. It
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  Speaker 1: appeared and disappeared with the coat, and the coat went
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  Speaker 1: to work with Jessica every morning.
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  Speaker 2: Two loops now. The mileage. The phone.
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  Speaker 1: Neither one is a crime. Neither one is proof of anything.
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  Speaker 1: Standing alone. But together, they described the outline of a space.
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  Speaker 1: A space maintained with significant effort. that existed somewhere Jessica's
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  Speaker 1: daily life could not account for. Here is what the
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  Speaker 1: record shows about what Wendy did with that information. In
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  Speaker 1: November of 2018, before the lease was even a month old,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy borrowed a colleague's car. She followed Jessica one evening
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  Speaker 1: and watched her park near Ashgrove Commons. She watched Jessica
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  Speaker 1: walk to a lit ground floor unit and go inside.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy sat in that borrowed car for 40 minutes. Then
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  Speaker 1: she drove home. She never told Jessica what she had seen.
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  Speaker 1: She said nothing about the car, the building, the lit window.
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  Speaker 1: She returned the colleague's car. She went back to Gable
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  Speaker 1: Street and continued her routines. Bills paid, family gatherings attended,
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  Speaker 1: dinner at home when her shifts allowed. For four months,
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Rafferty held what she knew and said nothing. That
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  Speaker 1: is not passivity. That is a decision. The word Monica used, methodical,
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  Speaker 1: starts to carry weight here in a way it did
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  Speaker 1: not before. The rummage committee at Calvary Ridge Community Church
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  Speaker 1: met on the evening of March 10th, 2019. It was
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  Speaker 1: a routine volunteer meeting, sorting donated goods, organizing tables for
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming sale. Jessica Anderson was there. She was a congregant,
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  Speaker 1: a familiar face in the fellowship hall. At some point
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  Speaker 1: during the evening, the key ring slipped from her pocket.
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  Speaker 1: She realized it was missing after 10 in the evening.
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  Speaker 2: When she was.
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  Speaker 1: Already home, the fellowship hall was locked. She could not
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  Speaker 1: go back. At 8.45 the following morning, Marilyn Simpson arrived
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  Speaker 1: to continue setup. Marilyn was 63, a retired librarian who
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  Speaker 1: had been volunteering at Calvary Ridge for years. She found
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  Speaker 1: the key ring on the floor near one of the
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  Speaker 1: folding tables, partly hidden under the skirt of a tablecloth.
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  Speaker 1: She picked it up and read the laminated tag. Tenant
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  Speaker 1: Karen Mills, Unit 4B, Ashgrove Commons, move in November 1, 2018.
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn did not know anyone named Karen Mills in the congregation.
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  Speaker 1: She gave a detailed account of what she found and when.
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  Speaker 1: She turned the keys over. Jessica arrived at the church
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  Speaker 1: at 9.20, 25 minutes too late. The key ring carried
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  Speaker 1: four objects, a house key, A mailbox key, a small
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  Speaker 1: brass key whose purpose was not immediately identified, and a
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  Speaker 1: Ford Focus fob from a dealership two towns over from Portsmouth.
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  Speaker 1: The Ford Focus, registered to Jessica Anderson, was purchased at
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  Speaker 1: a dealership in Portsmouth, but the fob had come from
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  Speaker 1: a dealership two towns over.
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  Speaker 2: One key ring. That discrepancy.
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  Speaker 1: A fob that did not match the car in the
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  Speaker 1: Gable Street lot was the first hard detail investigators held.
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  Speaker 2: It meant there was a second vehicle, or at minimum, a.
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  Speaker 1: Second set of keys to a vehicle not associated with
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's known address. When investigators contacted Jessica on March 12th,
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  Speaker 1: She told them the keys belonged to a storage unit
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  Speaker 1: she managed through Whitfield Properties, a routine work item, nothing unusual.
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  Speaker 2: The detective checked with the.
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  Speaker 1: Ashgrove Commons manager by the end of that same day.
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  Speaker 1: There was a Karen Mills in Unit 4B. She matched
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  Speaker 1: the description. The phone number on file was inactive. Rent
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  Speaker 1: had been paid in money orders every month since November.
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  Speaker 1: Jessica's explanation collapsed in under 24 hours.
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  Speaker 2: On March 13th, The lie was gone.
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  Speaker 1: On March 14th, Jessica arrived at Portsmouth PD with her
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  Speaker 1: civil attorney, Derek Foss. She gave a voluntary statement. It
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  Speaker 1: lasted three hours. Everything she had built, the name, the lease,
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  Speaker 1: the rotating money orders, the second phone in the interior pocket,
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  Speaker 1: the 40 to 60 miles of unexplained road. She laid out,
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  Speaker 1: piece by piece, in that room, the detective who took
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  Speaker 1: the statement noted something in his record about Wendy Rafferty's
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  Speaker 1: voice during her own interview. Wendy had come in separately.
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  Speaker 1: She gave her account calmly. Her voice, he nodded, was
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  Speaker 1: so controlled it frightened him. Picture the Ashgrove Commons parking
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  Speaker 1: lot on a Tuesday evening in late January. Jessica pulls
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  Speaker 1: the focus in around six. The way she has done
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  Speaker 1: several times a week since December. Nothing unusual from the outside.
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  Speaker 1: a woman coming home to her apartment after work, except
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  Speaker 1: that this apartment does not appear in any record connected
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  Speaker 1: to her name. The lease belongs to someone who was
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  Speaker 1: born from a college roommate's middle name and a childhood street.
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  Speaker 1: The rent was paid in cash instruments purchased across six
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  Speaker 1: different locations. The phone that connects this address to that
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  Speaker 1: identity lives in a coat pocket that never opens at
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  Speaker 1: the dinner table, 22 miles west. If the system had
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  Speaker 1: stayed sealed, No meeting, no pocket, no tablecloth. It is
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  Speaker 1: worth pausing on how long it could have continued. The
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  Speaker 1: money orders were untraceable by design, the name held. Cred
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  Speaker 1: Elmore had no reason to question it. Wendy, who had
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  Speaker 1: already seen the lit window and said nothing for four months,
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  Speaker 1: had not moved toward confrontation. The architecture of the Second
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  Speaker 1: Life was not impulsive.
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  Speaker 2: It was maintained.
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  Speaker 1: But here is the thing about a system built on
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  Speaker 1: parallel logistics. Every element has to travel with you. The
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  Speaker 1: keys to Karen Mills' apartment cannot stay at Karen Mills' apartment.
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  Speaker 1: When you drive back to Portsmouth for a church committee meeting,
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  Speaker 1: they go in the coat, and the coat goes into
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  Speaker 1: a room full of folding tables and volunteer neighbors. One
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  Speaker 1: scenario reads simply, the key ring fell, the system ended,
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  Speaker 1: a mechanical failure, a tablecloth A retired librarian's careful hands,
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  Speaker 1: but the evidence resists that cleaner reading because of what
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  Speaker 1: Wendy already knew. Consider the November evening in the borrowed car.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy had watched Jessica enter that lit ground floor unit
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  Speaker 1: and stayed 40 minutes before driving home. She had the
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  Speaker 1: mileage discrepancy since January. She had noticed the second phone
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  Speaker 1: in late February. By the night of March 10th, Wendy
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  Speaker 1: Rafferty held three separate data points about a life running
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  Speaker 1: parallel to hers. and she had spoken none of them aloud,
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  Speaker 1: the detective's note about her voice. So controlled it, frightened him.
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  Speaker 1: Lands differently, once you account for that timeline. Wendy was
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  Speaker 1: not surprised by what the keys revealed. She was not
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  Speaker 1: hearing new information. She was, possibly, watching a conclusion arrive
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  Speaker 1: by a route she had not predicted. Whether the silence
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  Speaker 1: of those four months was grief or strategy... or simply
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  Speaker 1: the methodical habit of a person who does not act
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  Speaker 1: before the evidence is complete, the record does not say.
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  Speaker 1: What it confirms is that when the key ring reached
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  Speaker 1: Marilyn Simpson's hands on the morning of March 11th, Wendy
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  Speaker 1: Rafferty already knew more than anyone in that fellowship hall.
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  Speaker 1: The keys did not expose the second life to Wendy.
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  Speaker 1: They exposed it to everyone else. On March 14th, 2019...
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Anderson walked into Portsmouth PDD with civil attorney Derek
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  Speaker 1: Foss and gave a three-hour voluntary statement. She confirmed everything
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  Speaker 1: the detective had already pieced together.
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  Speaker 2: The apartment in Evendale. The name. Karen Mills. The money orders.
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  Speaker 2: The second phone.
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  Speaker 1: She answered every question.
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  Speaker 2: She answered every question.
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  Speaker 1: No charges followed. Portsmouth PD had no legal jurisdiction. No
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  Speaker 1: fraud had occurred. No financial harm could be documented. The
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  Speaker 1: key ring sat in an evidence bag for 60 days,
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  Speaker 1: then was released and destroyed. The record closed without a
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  Speaker 1: single criminal finding. Craig Elmore received a courtesy call from
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  Speaker 1: the detective. He had spent three to four evenings a
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  Speaker 1: week at Unit 4B since December 2018. He had known
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  Speaker 1: the woman there as Karen Mills. The detective told him,
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  Speaker 1: by phone, that the name was not real. The record
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  Speaker 1: does not capture his reply. Monica Rufferty, Wendy's sister, later
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  Speaker 1: described the breakup as methodical. That was the word she used.
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  Speaker 1: She said Wendy had always been that way. Someone who
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  Speaker 1: did not move until she was certain. Whether the four
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  Speaker 1: months of silence before March 11 was patience or something
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  Speaker 1: harder to name, Monica did not say. What she confirmed
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  Speaker 1: was that once Wendy moved, she was finished. She packed
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  Speaker 1: and left the Gable Street apartment in the last week
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  Speaker 1: of March. She never spoke to Jessica again after giving
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  Speaker 1: her recorded statement. Jessica left Whitfield Properties in April. She
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  Speaker 1: relinquished the Ashgrove lease the same month. Both exits were quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Toller, her supervisor, gave no public account of her departure.
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  Speaker 1: The detective kept one thing from the case, not a document,
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  Speaker 1: not a transcript. He kept a photograph of the key ring,
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  Speaker 1: laminated tag, face up, the name Karen Mills Legible and
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  Speaker 1: placed it on his desk after the evidence bag was destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: He was asked why.
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  Speaker 1: His answer, according to the case record, was that he
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  Speaker 1: had never worked a case where the central evidence was
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  Speaker 1: so small and told so complete a story. There is
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  Speaker 1: something honest in that.
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  Speaker 2: A house key.
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  Speaker 1: A mailbox key. A small brass key whose lock was
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  Speaker 1: never identified. A Ford Focus fob from a dealership two
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  Speaker 1: towns over. Laminated cardstock with a name built from a
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  Speaker 1: college roommate's middle name and a childhood street, the entire
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  Speaker 1: architecture of a parallel life, reduced to what fit in
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  Speaker 1: a coat pocket. Jessica Anderson still lives in Portsmouth, a
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  Speaker 1: smaller apartment south side of the city. The records confirm
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  Speaker 1: she resumed her morning walk after the move. The route,
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  Speaker 1: Gable Street to the Riverside Path to the Grain Elevator,
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  Speaker 1: no longer begins at Gable Street. Whether she still stops
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  Speaker 1: for two or three minutes at the mural pylons the
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  Speaker 1: way she did every morning for years, is not confirmed.
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  Speaker 1: That detail belongs to the part of the story the
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  Speaker 1: record does not reach. What the record does reach is this.
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  Speaker 1: A retired librarian found a key ring on a fellowship
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  Speaker 1: hall floor and handled it the way she handled everything, carefully,
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  Speaker 1: with attention. She gave a detailed account. She handed it
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  Speaker 1: to the right people. Marilyn Simpson never met Karen Mills.
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  Speaker 2: She never needed to. The laminated tag said enough.
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  Speaker 1: The question this case keeps raising is not whether Jessica
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  Speaker 1: Anderson broke a law.
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  Speaker 2: She did not.
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  Speaker 1: The question is about the weight of a constructed name.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Mills was two words chosen from personal history. Close
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  Speaker 1: enough to feel real. Far enough to feel hidden. It
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  Speaker 1: held a lease, a phone, a relationship, a set of keys.
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  Speaker 1: It held 40 minutes of Wendy Rafferty sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: borrowed car outside a lit window. watching, and then driving
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  Speaker 1: home without knocking. There is no clean resolution here that
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  Speaker 1: is worth sitting with. Jessica lost the relationship, the apartment,
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  Speaker 1: the job, and the name she had carried for four months.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy lost three years and walked out with a recorded
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  Speaker 1: statement and a controlled voice that frightened a detective. Craig
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  Speaker 1: Elmore lost a version of a person who was never
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  Speaker 1: quite who he believed. The mural on the grain elevator
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  Speaker 1: has been there for years. It will be there when
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  Speaker 1: this episode is long filed away. Whether Jessica stands in
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  Speaker 1: front of it on a Tuesday morning and recognizes something
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  Speaker 1: in it, or whether she walks past without stopping, no
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  Speaker 1: one who was asked could say for certain. The detective's
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  Speaker 1: photograph of the key ring sits on his desk. The
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  Speaker 1: keys themselves no longer exist. Some things get documented. Some
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  Speaker 1: things stay only in the image a person carries when
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  Speaker 1: the evidence bag is gone. This show is made by
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  Speaker 1: Oboe Media.