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The Rita Panahi Show | 13 February · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn lives Australia. This is the Reader Panalty Show.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Riata Patty Show. Coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight, the Great Douglas Murray weighs in on Australia's
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Speaker 2: latest anti Semitic scandal, and he also explains why Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump has waged war on the racist South African government.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezi government, together with the Coalition, is looking to
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Speaker 2: introduce more laws to curb free speech. Dan Wilde will
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Speaker 2: be witnessed shortly to discuss that and much more, and
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Speaker 2: m Horowitz will have the latest from the US, Ukraine
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Speaker 2: and the Middle East. As President Trump's deadline for her
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Speaker 2: mask to release all the hostages draws closer and in
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Speaker 2: Left he's losing it. We've got preachers calling for violence
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Speaker 2: against Elon Musk.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes the devil will act so ugly that you have
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Speaker 3: no other choice but to get violent and faint.
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Speaker 2: But first's former New South Wales nurses Sarah Abu Lebdie
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Speaker 2: and Armored Reshad Nidia have made headlines around the world
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Speaker 2: after they bragged about killing Israeli patients, apparently threatening to
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Speaker 2: kill more.
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Speaker 4: Let's say, let's say an Israeli.
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Speaker 1: God beat them.
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Speaker 2: I won't treat them, I'll kill them.
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Speaker 1: You'll kill them.
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Speaker 5: Okay, you have no idea how many Israelis A dog
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Speaker 5: came to this hospital and Jehannahanna.
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Speaker 2: The video generated horrified reactions in the global media. The
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Speaker 2: UK Telegraph reported nurses suspended for threatening to kill Israeli
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Speaker 2: patients in Australia. Australian hospital examines patient records after nurses
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Speaker 2: claim to have killed Israeli's. That was from the Washington Post,
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Speaker 2: and the Jerusalem Post had the headline Australian Jews questions
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Speaker 2: safety at hospitals after nurses threatened Jews. Now authorities are
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Speaker 2: investigating Nida's class that he has killed Israeli patients who've
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Speaker 2: presented to the war he worked in. Nadea has since
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Speaker 2: apologized for his remarks, telling the Daily Telegraph that he
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Speaker 2: was joking in the video. Meanwhile, his left his family
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Speaker 2: reacted when journalist Liam Mendez approached them for comment.
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Speaker 6: Why are you.
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Speaker 2: What do you say about the allegation?
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Speaker 1: Tell me, Zara?
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Speaker 7: Walking towards the Nate Nate Nate, they said to me
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Speaker 7: about all right, all right, okay, I need my phone back.
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Speaker 2: What has happened?
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Speaker 4: I don't understand what's happened. I haven't been able to
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Speaker 4: talk to us. She's in a freaking extreme panic attack.
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Speaker 5: At the present time, I'm trying to calm it down
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Speaker 5: to see what she's been a nurse for.
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Speaker 4: God knows how long She's never done.
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Speaker 2: Anything to her anyone, do you know? I mean now
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Speaker 2: for more on this. As the Deputy executive director of
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Speaker 2: these Schute of Public Affairs, Dan Wild, Dan, not only
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Speaker 2: is this deeply disturbing, but it's again painted Australia in
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Speaker 2: a terrible light around the world.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it has, Reader, I think it shows how far
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Speaker 8: our country has fallen and how deep the problems are here.
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Speaker 8: Of course, you know, maybe this is an isolated incident,
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Speaker 8: as Premier Chris min suggest, I don't know, But as
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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton has quite rightly said today, there should be
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Speaker 8: a probe into the citizenship situation with these individuals. I
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Speaker 8: understand that they are citizens of Australia. How did someone
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Speaker 8: like this become a citizen of our country? Who granted
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Speaker 8: their citizenship? And it gets to this broader point, reader,
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Speaker 8: that we've been talking about, you know since you know,
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Speaker 8: over the last couple of years, which is there's a
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Speaker 8: much deeper issue to do with our citizenship and migration program.
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Speaker 8: We have many people that have been taking to the
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Speaker 8: streets engaging in anti Semitic conduct that are not just
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Speaker 8: temporary migrants, but our citizens of our country. Either they
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Speaker 8: became naturalized citizens or they were born here, which is
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Speaker 8: even more concerning. So yes, of course these individuals should
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Speaker 8: be sacked. I think that's pretty straightforward. But you know,
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Speaker 8: until we're going to have a deeper probe into our
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Speaker 8: migration system and actually fix it, I'm not convinced that
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Speaker 8: these deeper problems are going to go away anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Now. Further information about armed Rashad Nadir, the male nurse
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Speaker 2: in that video. Let's have a look at this coverage
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Speaker 2: from SPS and it came to Australia as a refugee
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Speaker 2: fleeing with his family from Afghanistan. He has since become
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Speaker 2: an Australian citizen, got his citizenship back in August twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: and he's featured in media on a couple of occasions,
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Speaker 2: held up Dan as an example of the success of
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Speaker 2: multiculturalism in Australia. This is him as a high school
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Speaker 2: student being interviewed by SBS back.
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Speaker 5: In Afghanistan, there was not much opportunity to go to
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Speaker 5: school in.
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Speaker 9: A freeway, in a freedom Rushad and his family fled
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Speaker 9: Afghanistan for Australia when he was just twelve years old.
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Speaker 2: That was back in twenty and fifteen, and he was
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Speaker 2: also the subject of this write up from the Helmsman
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Speaker 2: Project in twenty twenty one, says Rashard's story from Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: to Auburn the Power of Hope, Help and Love. The
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Speaker 2: headline reads that Dan, the online story appears to have
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Speaker 2: been scrubbed from the internet. You can understand why.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't want to tire inyone with the
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Speaker 8: same brush. I'm sure a lot of people that come
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Speaker 8: into the refugee program are doing the right thing, and
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Speaker 8: we want to have a welcoming and tolerant migration system.
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Speaker 8: But you know, as we're just talking about, we don't
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Speaker 8: have the processes in place to deal with this properly.
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Speaker 8: We've had just this massive expansion to migration, particularly of
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Speaker 8: the last few years, but actually, you know, many years
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Speaker 8: before that, and I'm not convinced this proper checks and
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Speaker 8: processes that are in place. And look, the reality is
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Speaker 8: that you know, you mentioned multiculturalism. Well, it's very divisive concept, multiculturalism.
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Speaker 8: I think that where you know, multi ethnic, yes, multiracial, sure,
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Speaker 8: but multicultural is is a divisive concept because it dilutes
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Speaker 8: the concept of a majority culture. And unfortunately, many activists
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Speaker 8: have used mass migration as a weapon to undermine our
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Speaker 8: shared Australian values. And that's not only to the detriment
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Speaker 8: of all of us, but particularly to the new migrants
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Speaker 8: who want to do the right thing. So you know,
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Speaker 8: again this gets back to the much deeper issue that
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Speaker 8: we have a failed migration program and it needs to
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Speaker 8: be fixed.
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Speaker 2: And words matter, what you said there is so correct
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Speaker 2: where we should be celebrating the fact that we're a
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Speaker 2: multi ethnic country. That's something to be treasured. All ethnicity is,
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Speaker 2: regardless of your background, your equal in this country. You
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Speaker 2: have equal opportunity. But to pretend that all cultures are equal,
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Speaker 2: that every culture will be celebrated in this country, that
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Speaker 2: we will overlook the shortcomings of some cultures where their
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Speaker 2: values do not align with ours, I think you're just
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Speaker 2: asking for trouble there. Now, let's turn our attention to
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Speaker 2: a bipartisan push for tougher workplace laws in order to
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Speaker 2: enable universities to sack anti Semitic staff. Part of the
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Speaker 2: reforms would involve a mending the Fair Work Acts so
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Speaker 2: that discipline reaction can be taken against staff and Australian
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Speaker 2: Research Council grant recipients for hate crimes or breaches of
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Speaker 2: the Racial Discrimination Act DAN. I can see this being
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Speaker 2: misused within I don't know five minutes. Do we really
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Speaker 2: need more anti free speech laws? We already have laws
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Speaker 2: in place for inciting violence, for anything that is a
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Speaker 2: violent to act. Why do we want to have more
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Speaker 2: laws introduced into the workplace.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that the first step is to enforce
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Speaker 8: the laws that are there, like you say, And one
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Speaker 8: of the I guess concerns that I have and a
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Speaker 8: lot of people have, is that we've never had more
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Speaker 8: hate speech laws on the books, so called hate speech
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Speaker 8: laws or any freement laws on the books, and anti
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Speaker 8: Semitism has never been worse, at least since World War
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Speaker 8: Two in this country. So the first point is these
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Speaker 8: laws often don't do what they say that they're going
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Speaker 8: to do. And the second issue is that they can
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Speaker 8: often be used not in the manner which they're intended.
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Speaker 8: I mean, just look at section eighty in see of
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Speaker 8: the Racial Discrimination Act. I mean your colleague Andrew Bolt, Well,
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Speaker 8: he was targeted by that Bill Leak, the prominent the
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Speaker 8: late Bill Leak, who was a prominent cartoonist and social commentator,
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Speaker 8: was targeted under section eighten CE. So it was never
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Speaker 8: used for the purposes it was intended. Soquite often these
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Speaker 8: laws can get hijacked by activists to shut down the
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Speaker 8: opinions of mainstream Australian So I could I totally understand
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Speaker 8: where people are coming from. You know, when they say
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Speaker 8: they want to have more laws and they want to
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Speaker 8: crack down on anti Semitism. I get that, and I
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Speaker 8: agree with cracking down on anti Semitism, but I think
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Speaker 8: in forced laws that are on the books is the
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Speaker 8: first step and have better policing of the issues.
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Speaker 2: We've seen these laws that are already existing be breached
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Speaker 2: every weekend in our major cities. We've seen police do
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Speaker 2: next to nothing, and the solution seems to be, let's
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Speaker 2: introduce more laws where there is the scope for those
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Speaker 2: to be misused. Just last week, the Albani is a
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Speaker 2: government with the support of the Coalition, pasted more hate
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Speaker 2: speech laws and we've had Christian schools for examples, say
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Speaker 2: that these laws can be misused to attack religious schools
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Speaker 2: for example. I mean, is that really something that we
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Speaker 2: want to enable? Now, let's move on to Football Australia
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Speaker 2: being labeled. Week after it refused to remove Sam Kerr
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Speaker 2: from a position as the captain of the Matilda's in
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Speaker 2: response to her infamous incident in London. Found not guilty
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Speaker 2: of racially aggravated harassment, Football Australia released a statement supporting her,
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Speaker 2: without confirming whether she'd stay honest captain. There's been no
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Speaker 2: update from them since Dan The point has been made
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Speaker 2: if the word black was used instead of white, regardless
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Speaker 2: of the court case, the ramifications for Kerr would be
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Speaker 2: dramatically different.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I don't think Sam Kerr should be captain
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Speaker 8: of the Matildas. And I think her broader role in
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Speaker 8: the team also needs to be questioned. As many others
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Speaker 8: have said, there's been kind of a sycophantic media sort
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Speaker 8: of worship of O Samantha Kerr. And you know, I'm
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Speaker 8: not sure whether what she said, you know, should have
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Speaker 8: been taken to court and gone through that process. To
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Speaker 8: be honest with you, it's more so her behavior throughout
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Speaker 8: the trial and the fact that she's never really properly apologized.
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Speaker 8: I mean, she gave kind of an apology, but it
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Speaker 8: was a bit merely mouth. And you know, I think
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Speaker 8: when you're the captain, you're probably the most prominent women's
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Speaker 8: soccer player in the country and one of the most
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Speaker 8: prominent in the world. Well, there are expectations people will
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Speaker 8: look up to you. She's also violated Football Australia's Code
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Speaker 8: of Conduct that all the players are held up to.
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Speaker 8: So you know, Football Australia is weak. They're also woke
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Speaker 8: because they supported the Voice to Parliament. They were one
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Speaker 8: of the first organizations in the sporting world to support
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Speaker 8: racial division in the Voice to Parliament. So I think
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Speaker 8: a lot of people look at this and say exactly
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Speaker 8: as you've identified. And we saw this with the AFL
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Speaker 8: when tex Walker went through this issue of alleged racist
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Speaker 8: comments or he was rubbed out for six matches and
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Speaker 8: many other consequences. But Sam Kirk gets a magic carpet, right.
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Speaker 8: It's just not fair.
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Speaker 2: The double standard is glaring, and particularly when these organizations
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Speaker 2: do getting involved in political grand standing, taking positions on
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Speaker 2: the Voice, then you're expected to follow through with that
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Speaker 2: and walk the talk, and football Australia have definitely failed
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Speaker 2: to do that. Dan Wild, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time tonight. Johnny me Now is best selling author
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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray Douglas, I'll get your thoughts on the latest
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic incident in Australia that is making headlines around
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Speaker 2: the world. I'll get your thoughts on that shortly, but
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Speaker 2: let's start with President Donald Trump and his Department of
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Speaker 2: Government Efficiency headed by Elon Musk. They're gutting USAID, something
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Speaker 2: that has alarmed the Democrats, the activist class, and even
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Speaker 2: the Vatican. The Vatican claims this will cost millions of lives,
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Speaker 2: but you wrote a piece for The Spectator arguing that
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Speaker 2: this money has been going to essentially insane people who
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Speaker 2: hate America and that the UK and perhaps other Western
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Speaker 2: democracies should follow America's lead.
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Speaker 7: Here absolutely, Rita, It's amazing, isn't it. I Mean, everyone
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Speaker 7: knows about government waste, and we often talk about it,
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Speaker 7: but when someone comes along and actually tries to stop waste,
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Speaker 7: there are.
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Speaker 1: All of these howls.
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Speaker 7: What Elon Musk and his DOGE team found in us AID,
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Speaker 7: and it's merely the surface of it.
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Speaker 1: What we've actually read about is an.
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Speaker 7: Incredibly corrupt, wasteful, and what's more, anti American system. It
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Speaker 7: would be one thing if there was a foreign aid
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Speaker 7: body in your country which was doing sort of soft
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Speaker 7: power pro American, pro democracy, pro on the side of freedom,
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Speaker 7: pro free market sort of movement. But what you find
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Speaker 7: in usaid, what the team found is what you can
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Speaker 7: find in the UK's foreign aid budget and many other countries,
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Speaker 7: which is actually the American taxpayers were paying for systems
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Speaker 7: that actually seemed to rather dislike America and seemed to
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Speaker 7: be rather anti American, and in many cases were examples
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Speaker 7: of the American taxpayer funding versions of the hopefully now
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Speaker 7: increasingly defunct American Woke Mind virus around the world. There
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Speaker 7: was a bit of a hulla baloo because early on
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Speaker 7: it was said that there was fifty million dollars that
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Speaker 7: had been used to buy condoms to send to Gaza,
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Speaker 7: and it turned out that actually that was a slight
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Speaker 7: misreading and it was fifty million dollars for condoms in
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Speaker 7: part of West Africa. I don't really see that that's
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Speaker 7: the biggest misreading imaginable the question. I think for a
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Speaker 7: lot of American taxpayers is why are we selling a
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Speaker 7: very large number? Why are we paying for a very
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Speaker 7: large number of condoms to be sent anywhere in the world.
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Speaker 7: Other people buy their own condoms. But I mean that's
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Speaker 7: just the sort of easier end of it. I mean,
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Speaker 7: there were things like the American taxpayer was paying for
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Speaker 7: people to have sex changes in col Colombia. And when
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Speaker 7: the Democrats and certainly the international critics of Elon Musk
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Speaker 7: and Doge weigh in on this, I have a challenge
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Speaker 7: for them, which is, you know, if you think the
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Speaker 7: American taxpayer is so flooded with money that they can
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Speaker 7: pay for Colombian sex changes, and if you think it's
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Speaker 7: absolutely outrageous that that fund should have been stopped, there's
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Speaker 7: a great opportunity, you know, for all of the left
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Speaker 7: wing governments in Australia and elsewhere. Why don't you pick
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Speaker 7: up the slack. Why don't you pick up the slack
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Speaker 7: if that's not the wrong metaphor to use, and you
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Speaker 7: pay for the Colombian sex changes, and then you can
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Speaker 7: feel really good about yourself and not just beat up
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Speaker 7: on Elon Musk.
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Speaker 2: Now, last week, President Donald Trump also signed an executive
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Speaker 2: order freezing aid to South Africa after the government they
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Speaker 2: introduced these laws where lend can be seas, typically from
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Speaker 2: white farmers without compensation. The Trump administration is also formulating
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Speaker 2: a plan to resettle white South African farmers and their
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Speaker 2: families as refugees. Douglas, The question has to be asked,
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Speaker 2: why aren't other Western nations that supposedly value equality, value
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Speaker 2: property rights. Why aren't they stepping in here? Why are
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Speaker 2: they still sending millions in aid to a rogue nation.
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Speaker 7: Well, because, of course, the corrupt ANC in South Africa
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Speaker 7: in particular loves receiving international aid money and loves squirreling
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Speaker 7: it away into their own pockets. I saw that myself
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Speaker 7: in South Africa in recent months. You know, all of
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Speaker 7: the dophins, the princelings of the ANC leadership all drive around,
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Speaker 7: including in townships like Soweto, in Ferraris and Lamborghinis and
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Speaker 7: the most extraordinarily expensive cars, and they've basically rub the
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Speaker 7: faces of the poor of the townships in their enormous wealth.
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Speaker 7: So that's where a lot of our foreign aid money went.
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Speaker 7: It went into the pockets of the ANC and their princelings.
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Speaker 7: And if anyone thinks that that's a good deal, then
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Speaker 7: I've got a bridge to sell them. But you know
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Speaker 7: that the problem is with South Africa and the ANC
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Speaker 7: in particular, is that they run off the moral fumes
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Speaker 7: of the successful overthrow of apartheid. And that's all well
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Speaker 7: and good, except that that's decades ago now, and just
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Speaker 7: because you were part of the anti apartheid movement does
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Speaker 7: not mean that for the rest of time you should
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Speaker 7: be allowed to be corrupt and to misgovern your country,
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Speaker 7: and to loot your country and to pretend that there's
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Speaker 7: something better about you when in actual fact, in the
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Speaker 7: case of the South African government, they oversee the most
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Speaker 7: appalling poverty still in their country, which does not have
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Speaker 7: to be the case. South Africa is a country of
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Speaker 7: great promise, was governed well. There's no reason why a
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Speaker 7: government that literally cannot even keep the lights on in
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Speaker 7: Johannesburg and Cape Town should be regarded as some kind
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Speaker 7: of moral arbiter or deserving evaid if they want to
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Speaker 7: misgovern themselves, and that's one thing, but misgoverning themselves with
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Speaker 7: our financial support is something else.
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Speaker 1: Entirely.
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Speaker 2: Do you see South Africa heading down the path that
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Speaker 2: we find Zimbabwe. It just rampant corruption inequity, poverty, a
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Speaker 2: country again with so much promise that has descended into
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Speaker 2: third world conditions in many ways.
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, the fastest way to
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Speaker 7: advance in South African politics still is to try to
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Speaker 7: pretend that the white farmers, for instance, are some kind
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Speaker 7: of overlord privileged class and they must be raised war on.
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Speaker 7: You remember that one of the candidates at the last
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Speaker 7: elections in South Africa, who really did rather well, led
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Speaker 7: to people in the stadium to the charming war cry
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Speaker 7: of shoot the burrs or shoot the white farmers. Effect
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Speaker 7: what he was saying, so that that is actually something
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Speaker 7: that should should demand international attention. It's not a popular cause,
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Speaker 7: it seems for some reason. But if we do believe
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Speaker 7: in anti racism, if we do believe that people shouldn't be.
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Speaker 1: Racist, then that goes every way.
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Speaker 7: And people who had targeted for murder and for the
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Speaker 7: theft of their land, their farmland in South Africa, but
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Speaker 7: just because they're white, that cause should be taken up
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Speaker 7: by people just as much as if black farmers in
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Speaker 7: South Africa in the past had been persecuted in the
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Speaker 7: same way. It's it's just a total lack of consistency on.
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Speaker 2: That absolutely to Australia now and sadly we are making
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Speaker 2: headlines around the world for all the wrong reasons. After
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Speaker 2: two nurses, both of them sacked now, but these two
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Speaker 2: nurses at a Sydney hospital had this to say about
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Speaker 2: how they would treat Israeli patients. It's Palistin's country, not.
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Speaker 4: Let's say an Israeli God for beet them.
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Speaker 2: I won't treat the luck to them.
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Speaker 1: You'll kill them.
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Speaker 10: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's forbid,
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Speaker 10: something happened to him and.
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Speaker 1: He comes to your hospital, would you kill him?
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Speaker 5: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli A dog
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Speaker 5: came to this hospital and.
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Speaker 2: He claims he sent them to Jahannam, which means hell Douglas.
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Speaker 2: Those two have been sacked, But one fear is that
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Speaker 2: this problem is far more widespread than that pair.
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I just saw a video a few moments
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Speaker 7: ago before joining Eureta of a health worker in New
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Speaker 7: South Wales who said she had tried to warn about
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Speaker 7: this for the past fifteen months, since it became normal
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Speaker 7: for healthcare workers, nurses and others to join in genocidal
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Speaker 7: chants like from the river to the sea. It's extremely disturbing.
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Speaker 7: I wish I was surprised by it, but I'm not.
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Speaker 7: People like those two despicable health workers there are just
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Speaker 7: the sort of most obvious spear tip of a much
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Speaker 7: bigger problem. I mean, they have the audacity to actually
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Speaker 7: boast about the fact that they would like to kill
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Speaker 7: Jews on the operating table if they find them, and
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Speaker 7: seem to have implied that they've done that in the past.
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Speaker 7: I hope all of that is looked into, and I
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Speaker 7: hope they face appropriate jail time. But I'd like to
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Speaker 7: know what it is in the health system in Australia
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Speaker 7: has encouraged and tolerated that. You can see from their
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Speaker 7: very unpleasant Hijabbi who just pushes her way in there,
22:08
Speaker 7: how incredibly not just evil she is, but how proud
22:12
Speaker 7: she is of her evil.
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Speaker 1: Both of them are.
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Speaker 7: And I suspect they didn't keep that to themselves until
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Speaker 7: this week.
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Speaker 1: I suspect there were a lot of people who worked
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Speaker 1: with them who knew exactly what they believed.
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Speaker 7: And I bet these two couldn't keep their pride in
22:25
Speaker 7: their evil to themselves. I bet there are all sorts
22:28
Speaker 7: of warning signs that were seen should have been reported
22:31
Speaker 7: and noticed about this a lot earlier. And then the
22:34
Speaker 7: question should be of their colleagues, former colleagues and others,
22:38
Speaker 7: why did you think this was normal?
22:40
Speaker 1: Why do you think this was tolerable? If again, it's
22:43
Speaker 1: like with the white South African farmers.
22:44
Speaker 7: If there was a nurse or a doctor in your
22:48
Speaker 7: hospital who said that they really looked forward to killing
22:51
Speaker 7: black people whenever they ended up on the operating table
22:55
Speaker 7: in their hospital, I think that every single civilized and
22:59
Speaker 7: decent person would have said, I think something needs to
23:02
Speaker 7: be done about this person.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 7: Why wasn't it the case with these two racist anti semites.
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Speaker 7: I would love to know the answer to that, because
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Speaker 7: I very much doubt that it stops with that.
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Speaker 2: Before you go, I want to bring to your attention
23:17
Speaker 2: this exchange between British broadcaster Julia Hartley Brewer and journalists
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Speaker 2: Yvonne Ridley and the leftist activist journalist Yea von Ridley
23:27
Speaker 2: claims that her mass has been extending acts of kindness
23:31
Speaker 2: upon Israel. Is there any reason why Hammas couldn't and
23:34
Speaker 2: shouldn't release them all.
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Speaker 4: Once the hostages go?
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Speaker 11: And every act of kindness that has been shown to
23:44
Speaker 11: Israel has just been sorry.
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Speaker 2: What were those acts of kindness?
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Speaker 11: Well, they gave them goodie bags. I don't know what
23:55
Speaker 11: was it, but they gave them gifts. They give them
23:58
Speaker 11: a little momentum toast Palestinian mementos.
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Speaker 2: There you go, Douglas. They gave the hostages that they
24:06
Speaker 2: kept in tunnels, some of them fading them very infrequently.
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Speaker 2: They gave them goodie bags. So you know, we should
24:14
Speaker 2: really be quite grateful.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, as well as torturing them, hanging them
24:19
Speaker 7: upside down, beating them and doing mark executions on them
24:23
Speaker 7: for fifteen months. Yvonne Ridley, I'm interested to see her
24:27
Speaker 7: back in the spotlight. I've known about her for almost
24:30
Speaker 7: quarter of a century now. She's a very sick and
24:33
Speaker 7: twisted individual. She used to work for a British newspaper
24:37
Speaker 7: and when she did, she was taken captive by the
24:40
Speaker 7: Taliban in Afghanistan, and she suffered what is well known
24:44
Speaker 7: as Stockholm syndrome. That is, she adopted the believes of
24:47
Speaker 7: hers She actually converted to Islam when in Taliban captivity,
24:55
Speaker 7: and she didn't just sort of you know, she didn't
24:58
Speaker 7: take the most sort of moderate suit version of Islam
25:01
Speaker 7: or anything like that. No, she went full jihadi by
25:04
Speaker 7: about two thousand and four, when Abu moved A al
25:06
Speaker 7: Sakawi in Iraq.
25:08
Speaker 1: Was kidnapping and beheaded Western.
25:11
Speaker 7: Journalists and aid workers and others, she referred to him
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Speaker 7: as brother al Sakawi. There's never been an extreme Jihadis
25:20
Speaker 7: that Yvonne Ridley has not adored.
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Speaker 1: Now, there is obviously some.
25:24
Speaker 7: Psycho sexual explanation for that, which people far more knowledgeable
25:30
Speaker 7: than me in the paranoias and manias of human beings
25:35
Speaker 7: could diagnose. But of course it ends up in this place,
25:39
Speaker 7: and I'm glad that she's exposed herself once again for
25:43
Speaker 7: the lunatic she is. Anyone who looks at the emaciated
25:49
Speaker 7: men who were released by hamaz In again a very
25:54
Speaker 7: unfair swap of murderous Palestinian prisoners for innocent Israelis who'd
25:59
Speaker 7: been killed. Now, anyone who looked at the emaciated hostages
26:03
Speaker 7: could see that these were men who've been put through
26:05
Speaker 7: hell for the last fifteen months or so, and in fact,
26:10
Speaker 7: in all three cases seem to have reportedly, as you
26:13
Speaker 7: can also see from the footage, had to learn how
26:15
Speaker 7: to walk again, just in the days before they were released.
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Speaker 1: These men have been.
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Speaker 7: Put through absolute hell by barbarians in Hamaz. And yes,
26:26
Speaker 7: you really do have to have the sort of sick
26:29
Speaker 7: psychology of Ivonn Ridley to believe that if at the
26:33
Speaker 7: end of it you give a so called goodie bag,
26:35
Speaker 7: god knows what that really means in this context to
26:38
Speaker 7: the hostages, that you should in some way be applauded. Fortunately,
26:42
Speaker 7: as it happens, I see the end of Hamaz is
26:46
Speaker 7: very nigh and Yvonne Ridley will be one of those
26:52
Speaker 7: sick Westerners who's going to have to find another death
26:55
Speaker 7: cult to attach herself to because she's not going to
26:59
Speaker 7: have many allies left.
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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time this.
27:05
Speaker 1: Evening, great pleasure.
27:07
Speaker 2: As always still to come, Lefties losing it plas Tulsi
27:12
Speaker 2: Gabbard confirmed, and fresh developments in the US, Ukraine and
27:16
Speaker 2: the Middle East as Trump's foreign policy revolution continues. Army
27:20
Speaker 2: Horowitz as the latest. You're watching the Reader Paney Show,
27:32
Speaker 2: and it's time for lefties losing it. Just when you
27:36
Speaker 2: think the shrews of the view couldn't sink any lower,
27:40
Speaker 2: they go and surprise you by mocking a cute little child. Apparently,
27:44
Speaker 2: Elon Musk's four year old son X is fair game
27:48
Speaker 2: because Whoopee, yes, whoopee, Coldberg has decided to mock his name.
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Speaker 12: Yesterday, Elon Musk took his son X to a press conference.
28:00
Speaker 12: I did not name the child, and I don't want
28:04
Speaker 12: to hear anyone mess about our names. Okay, okay, AnyWho.
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Speaker 2: He took little X.
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Speaker 12: A little instagram?
28:18
Speaker 2: He doesn't.
28:20
Speaker 12: He just took a little X with him to a
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Speaker 12: first conference in the Oval office.
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Speaker 2: You know what, X is an adorable name, and perhaps
28:28
Speaker 2: a grown woman who named herself Whoopie should refrain from
28:33
Speaker 2: mocking a four year old for the name his parents
28:35
Speaker 2: gave him. Yes, Whoopy picked that name for herself. She's
28:39
Speaker 2: actually Karen Elaine Johnson. Now, how did Karen become Whoopie?
28:44
Speaker 2: You're gonna love this. According to Goldberg, once I started
28:48
Speaker 2: getting parts in players, I wanted a name that sounded
28:51
Speaker 2: more interesting. Karen Johnson, wasn't it. Some people at the
28:55
Speaker 2: rep called me Whoopie because I would let loose with
28:59
Speaker 2: a far just charming. Charming. As for X, well, he
29:03
Speaker 2: seems to have more sense than the ladies of the view.
29:07
Speaker 2: Here he is with his father, whattun?
29:09
Speaker 13: I do.
29:10
Speaker 2: Save America? And hell Trump? Okay, now to more wacky
29:17
Speaker 2: antiques from our friends on the left, and sadly these
29:20
Speaker 2: days that includes preachers. Many churches have been corrupted by
29:25
Speaker 2: far left lunatics, and this one from Tennessee seems to
29:29
Speaker 2: be calling for violence against Elon Musk.
29:32
Speaker 3: Have a listen an attempt to take us back to
29:35
Speaker 3: a day that we do not want to go, and
29:37
Speaker 3: we will not go. Therefore there will be conflict. I
29:42
Speaker 3: pray that the peace of God will win out and
29:45
Speaker 3: overcome the madness that is a timpting to take over
29:48
Speaker 3: this nation. And I will say to you, beloved, no
29:51
Speaker 3: one likes violence, but sometimes violence is necessary. When Elon
29:57
Speaker 3: Musk forces his way into the United States Treasury and
30:00
Speaker 3: threatens to steal your personal information and your Social Security check,
30:06
Speaker 3: there is the possibility of violence. Sometimes the devil will
30:11
Speaker 3: act so ugly that you have no other choice but
30:15
Speaker 3: to get violent and.
30:16
Speaker 2: Find say what now, Sometimes violence is necessary, and the
30:21
Speaker 2: devil will act so ugly that you have no other
30:24
Speaker 2: choice but to get violent and fight. That's what he said.
30:27
Speaker 2: Ibilon Mass considers some legal action because that sounded like
30:31
Speaker 2: he was inciting violence. Now to Canada. We're a reverend
30:35
Speaker 2: and LGBT activists preaching that Christians should stop referring to
30:40
Speaker 2: Jesus as their savior because it may be offensive to
30:44
Speaker 2: other religions.
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Speaker 13: There was one word in those bedrock beliefs that began
30:49
Speaker 13: for me to be uncomfortable, problematic. When people now come
30:56
Speaker 13: to our church, many of them will first check the
30:59
Speaker 13: website to see what this church is about what they believe,
31:03
Speaker 13: and many of the folks who did that would tell
31:05
Speaker 13: me out of the community, Bretta. I looked up your
31:07
Speaker 13: church and it sounded reasonable, but when I got to
31:09
Speaker 13: that word savior, it was a problem. It was a
31:14
Speaker 13: problem because I'm from another faith tradition, or it's a
31:18
Speaker 13: problem because.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that everyone has to.
31:23
Speaker 13: Accept Jesus as personal Lord and savior, like the fundamentalists say.
31:27
Speaker 2: If you're from another faith or you don't think you
31:29
Speaker 2: should accept Jesus as your Lord and savior, then what
31:32
Speaker 2: are you doing in a Christian church? I mean, really,
31:35
Speaker 2: do you think anyone walks into a mosque and demands
31:38
Speaker 2: they stop being so preoccupied with Muhammed? I don't think so.
31:42
Speaker 2: If activists are running your church, then your church isn't
31:45
Speaker 2: really a church anymore. Now, let's check in with possibly
31:49
Speaker 2: the most annoying woman in the world, guess, even more
31:52
Speaker 2: annoying than MSNBC anchors and the ladies of the view.
31:56
Speaker 14: If you're going to be a bigot, be a bigot
31:59
Speaker 14: with your whole lass chest. You'll have to forgive me, Pumpkin.
32:04
Speaker 14: My particular flavor of neurospaciness prefers bluntness. They them, isn't
32:09
Speaker 14: a singular pronoun that you're spouting is wrong?
32:13
Speaker 2: Cute eat us, the APA.
32:15
Speaker 14: MLA, Oxford Dictionary, Mirriam Webster, Chat, GPT, Wikipedia, and basically
32:23
Speaker 14: every source on the Internet. Sweetie, They're all gonna tell
32:28
Speaker 14: you you're wrong.
32:31
Speaker 2: I hate to break it too, sweetie, but just because
32:34
Speaker 2: Wikipedia and other online resources have been corrupted by filef
32:38
Speaker 2: lunacy doesn't mean you or they are right. It just
32:42
Speaker 2: means the rot is deep. It means the transactivists have
32:45
Speaker 2: managed to exercise disproportionate power and try to convince folk
32:50
Speaker 2: that I don't know Day's night white is black men
32:53
Speaker 2: are women. But sadly, there are plenty of brainwash simpletons
32:57
Speaker 2: who have swallowed every argument put forward by the transactivist
33:02
Speaker 2: and that includes the adult daughter of Tim Woles. You
33:05
Speaker 2: remember him, the man who wanted to be vice president.
33:08
Speaker 2: Here is his daughter ranting about Donald Trump's executive order
33:13
Speaker 2: protecting women's sport from male bodies.
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Speaker 15: Signing in an executive order that pertains to one percent
33:19
Speaker 15: of the population is not protecting women. It's setting a
33:23
Speaker 15: dangerous president, and it is dangerous for the trans community, women, minorities,
33:30
Speaker 15: anyone who was not a streetweight man. We are talking
33:34
Speaker 15: about human beings and the President of the United States
33:37
Speaker 15: is targeting them.
33:38
Speaker 2: Gosh, didn't we dodger bullet not having that family in
33:41
Speaker 2: the White House, including Gwen Woles, remember her, my dad.
33:46
Speaker 4: Of Trump.
33:49
Speaker 2: Are turning away terrifying. Instead of her, we got usher vance.
33:57
Speaker 2: I mean, can you think of a better upgrade? And
34:00
Speaker 2: talking about dodging bullets, we also dodged having Kamala as
34:04
Speaker 2: president and her family in the White House. Let's check
34:07
Speaker 2: in now with Kamala's adult step daughter, and she's sprooking
34:13
Speaker 2: some sort of body oil.
34:14
Speaker 9: What I did realize about having body hair is someone
34:17
Speaker 9: always has something to say about it, whether it's good
34:19
Speaker 9: or bad. There's something very shocking still about body hair.
34:23
Speaker 9: Most commonly, I see, I bet you smell bad or damn,
34:27
Speaker 9: that's dirty? Little did and do they know I'm as
34:30
Speaker 9: clean as a whistle and heavily moisturized thanks to fur oil.
34:34
Speaker 9: I've been using this heavily in my daily routine for
34:36
Speaker 9: as long as I have had body hair.
34:38
Speaker 2: And we'll have plenty more lefties losing at content with
34:41
Speaker 2: my next guest. Today, the Justice Department announced it was
34:45
Speaker 2: suing New York over its failure to fully cooperate with
34:48
Speaker 2: federal immigration enforcement. Governor Kathy Hochel, State Attorney General Letitia James,
34:55
Speaker 2: and DMV Chief Mark Schroeder are all in the firing line.
34:59
Speaker 2: Here is US Attorney General Pambondi.
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Speaker 16: We have filed charges against the State of New York.
35:05
Speaker 16: We have filed charges against Kathy Hochel. We have filed
35:08
Speaker 16: charges against Letitia James and Mark Schroeder. This is a
35:11
Speaker 16: new DOJ and we are taking steps to protect Americans,
35:16
Speaker 16: American citizens and Angel moms like the moms standing right
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Speaker 16: behind me, who you're going to hear from in a moment.
35:24
Speaker 16: New York has chosen to prioritize illegal aliens over American citizens.
35:30
Speaker 2: It stops.
35:31
Speaker 16: It stops today.
35:33
Speaker 2: Joining me now is filmmaker and journalist Amy Horoidzammy, you're
35:38
Speaker 2: a New Yorker. Why is your state deliberately defying efforts
35:43
Speaker 2: to enforce the.
35:44
Speaker 4: Law beyond belief? Rita.
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Speaker 17: Okay, I mean, the Democrats have just lost an election,
35:52
Speaker 17: not a small part because this issue, maybe primarily because
35:55
Speaker 17: of this issue. They haven't learned a single lesson. It's
36:00
Speaker 17: unbelievable to me. They're actually writing the twenty twenty six
36:04
Speaker 17: script for the Republicans and how they can defeat them again. Okay,
36:08
Speaker 17: I mean, let's take Brandon Johnson, who is the mayor
36:13
Speaker 17: of Chicago, as a case study on this issue.
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Speaker 4: Okay, Brandon Johnson.
36:16
Speaker 17: At fourteen percent approving as a one for RITA, he's
36:22
Speaker 17: the lowest approval rating of any politician in America. He
36:27
Speaker 17: is a lower approval rating than Kendrick Lamar at a
36:31
Speaker 17: Drake family reunion. That's how bad it is for him. Okay,
36:35
Speaker 17: this is a James right who Pam Bondi, by the way,
36:38
Speaker 17: I love her, talked about right there. But this is
36:40
Speaker 17: a James wrote that our laws protect all New Yorkers,
36:46
Speaker 17: all New Yorkers. I'm sorry people have come here illegally.
36:50
Speaker 17: Are not New Yorkers. They are not one of us.
36:52
Speaker 17: They are legally in New York. They are draining our resources,
36:55
Speaker 17: they are causing crime, and they're crowding our street with
36:58
Speaker 17: homelessness and crats alike, natural Republicans, Democrats.
37:02
Speaker 4: These blue cities are sick of it.
37:04
Speaker 17: That's why when you looked at an electoral map, you
37:07
Speaker 17: saw that every single district moved to the right.
37:10
Speaker 4: They may have all vote for Trump, but they moved
37:12
Speaker 4: the right.
37:13
Speaker 17: And then Pam Binding, God bless her Saul, God bless
37:15
Speaker 17: her blonde Saul. Look, she's now threatening to cut off
37:19
Speaker 17: DOJ funding to these blue cities, which in New York
37:22
Speaker 17: alone got one point five billion dollars and overall they're
37:26
Speaker 17: going to write billion dollars.
37:28
Speaker 4: I'm here for it, man, So what we got to do.
37:32
Speaker 2: They are not messing around, like she said. It's a
37:35
Speaker 2: new Justice Department and they're going to be enforcing the law.
37:39
Speaker 2: And you would think New York, of all places, just
37:42
Speaker 2: with the rising violent crime, the fact that a couple
37:46
Speaker 2: of months ago you had a poor woman burnt to
37:50
Speaker 2: death on the on the train in the Metro by
37:53
Speaker 2: an illegal immigrants, you would think and this would focus
37:56
Speaker 2: their minds but apparently not. Now let's move on to
38:00
Speaker 2: another win for President Trump, with the US Senate confirming
38:05
Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence. Here is
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Speaker 2: Toulci being sworn in by Pambondi.
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Speaker 4: You solemnly swear that I will support.
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Speaker 6: Ended in the Constitution of the United States.
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Speaker 2: Former Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell was the only Republican
38:24
Speaker 2: to vote against Tulsi's confirmation, though these days, with his condition,
38:29
Speaker 2: one wonders if someone else is pulling McConnell's strings. Remember this,
38:35
Speaker 2: Did you.
38:36
Speaker 6: Hear the question, senator running for reelection in twenty twenty six?
38:43
Speaker 6: All right, I'm sorry you are working a new minute, senator.
38:47
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, they did more than a minute. He just
38:53
Speaker 2: frozen there. I mean, tell me what this confirmation means
38:58
Speaker 2: for the Trump administration.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, by the way, that was not easy to watch
39:03
Speaker 17: even a third or fourth time with mich McConnell. Look,
39:08
Speaker 17: it means that Trump has won again. He has got
39:12
Speaker 17: everybody who once confirmed. It seems that he has got
39:15
Speaker 17: the entire Publican party in line backing him and even
39:21
Speaker 17: his more controversial picks, including RFK and including.
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Speaker 4: Telsea Gabbert, who, to be honest, I wasn't a big
39:29
Speaker 4: fan of hers.
39:30
Speaker 17: I think there were a better choice than her, But
39:33
Speaker 17: it was Trump choices where he went and look, you
39:36
Speaker 17: got it in My hats are off. That was That
39:38
Speaker 17: was a difficult confirmation to get over the line, and
39:40
Speaker 17: he did with almost no problem.
39:42
Speaker 2: Now, don't go anywhere. We've gotten more from Army Horowitz
39:45
Speaker 2: after the break, including negotiations to end the war in
39:48
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Donald Trump's deadline for Hermas. Welcome back. I'm
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Speaker 2: joined with Army Horowitz. Army. The wins keep on coming
40:06
Speaker 2: for the Trump administration. With Russia releasing a US hostage,
40:10
Speaker 2: the White House secured the release of Pennsylvania teacher Mark Fogel,
40:14
Speaker 2: who had been wrongfully detained for almost four years in
40:17
Speaker 2: Russia after being arrested with legally prescribed marijuana. Let's hear
40:21
Speaker 2: from Mark Fogel.
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Speaker 10: I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now,
40:27
Speaker 10: and I want you to know that I am not
40:32
Speaker 10: a hero in this at all, and President Trump is
40:38
Speaker 10: a hero. These men that came from the Diplomatic Service
40:45
Speaker 10: are heroes.
40:46
Speaker 2: And earlier today we heard that negotiation to end the
40:49
Speaker 2: war in Ukraine are set to begin after President Trump
40:53
Speaker 2: had what he called a lengthy and highly productive conversation
40:57
Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin. Ukrainian President Zelensky has welcomed the push
41:02
Speaker 2: for pace. Now, Ami, what is the timeline for these negotiations.
41:07
Speaker 2: We know Donald Trump said that he could secure peace
41:10
Speaker 2: in record time, and is that achievable after three years
41:15
Speaker 2: of war?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 17: First of all, it was great to see another American
41:19
Speaker 17: hostage released from the clutches of Putin and Russia. I
41:26
Speaker 17: think that they moved in far more and it was
41:28
Speaker 17: alacrity to get rid of get to get him there,
41:30
Speaker 17: as opposed to Biden, which took him years actually to
41:33
Speaker 17: call Mark Fogel wrongfully detained, whereas.
41:36
Speaker 4: He moved very quickly to get.
41:38
Speaker 17: A brighter out and traded for the merchant of death
41:41
Speaker 17: Victor bout as far to Ukraine, Europe and the United States.
41:46
Speaker 17: I think what you're seeing here is absolutely fascinating. First
41:49
Speaker 17: of all, looks like we are going to be moving
41:52
Speaker 17: very very quickly towards a deal, and you're seeing the
41:55
Speaker 17: Europeans actually fall in line with the rhetoric to align
41:59
Speaker 17: with Trump. You're going to see a lot of that
42:01
Speaker 17: with the Munich security conference happening, You're going to see
42:03
Speaker 17: a lot of their rhetoric, in fact, start to mirror
42:06
Speaker 17: an echo where Trump is saying. What he's basically saying is, guys,
42:10
Speaker 17: we have to have a deal here. This can't go
42:11
Speaker 17: on forever.
42:13
Speaker 4: Russia.
42:13
Speaker 17: You're not gonna take Kiev and Ukraine. You're not going
42:17
Speaker 17: to take back don Vassi Krim. Yet that's the deal,
42:20
Speaker 17: and that's the deal's going to be made, I think,
42:22
Speaker 17: and I think hopefully also throwing I think it's important
42:24
Speaker 17: for us not to to Ukraine in NATO. I've been
42:27
Speaker 17: against that from the beginning. I'm still against them now
42:29
Speaker 17: and I think so was Trump. And I think the
42:32
Speaker 17: sad part of this is that we all knew this
42:35
Speaker 17: is where it was going years ago, yet it's still
42:38
Speaker 17: Ukraine had to, you know, to expand blood and treasure
42:42
Speaker 17: to essentially be at the same place where it would
42:44
Speaker 17: have been three years ago. I think also what has
42:48
Speaker 17: been talked about, and I think it is great, is
42:50
Speaker 17: Trump is saying, look, we have been funding Ukraine for years, rightly,
42:54
Speaker 17: so at the same time.
42:56
Speaker 4: Hey, Europe, you have to pay him up more money.
42:59
Speaker 17: Right You are in their crosshairs, You are in the
43:01
Speaker 17: same content as Russia. You have a responsibility in the
43:04
Speaker 17: fact he's gotten to do that. Moreover, I'm also glad
43:07
Speaker 17: to see they's telling Ukraine this is not cost free,
43:11
Speaker 17: like we are funding you guys, but essentially we want
43:13
Speaker 17: to be paid back. I think the idea of us
43:16
Speaker 17: making a deal for the important mental resources that and
43:21
Speaker 17: to buy them from Ukraine, I think it's great.
43:24
Speaker 4: I think it's important.
43:25
Speaker 17: I think this can't be cost free, and I think
43:28
Speaker 17: ultimately that's what he is going to look like. And
43:30
Speaker 17: you know, I don't know if he's to win a
43:31
Speaker 17: Nobel Peace Prize for this. He didn't last time last
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Speaker 17: year when he should have when he broke with the
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Speaker 17: Abraham Accords, which was like low key one of the
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Speaker 17: greatest foreign policy accomplishments in the last fifty years, didn't
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Speaker 17: win it for that.
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Speaker 4: Let's see if they pass him over now for Ukraine deal.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's also got the deadline for Hamas to release
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Speaker 2: all the hostages that's fast approaching. Amy President Trump said
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Speaker 2: he wants them all really by midday Saturday, or all
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Speaker 2: hell will break loose. What's the latest on that and
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Speaker 2: are we days away from the ceasefire ending?
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Speaker 17: Look time will tell Israel was pretty confident that the
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Speaker 17: ceasefire was actually going to hold. I'm having my doubts,
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Speaker 17: and so are many Israelis. Yeah, look, I think Camas
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Speaker 17: has made the decision, and they said, you know, they
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Speaker 17: gave up the hostages quickly, the first tranche of them
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Speaker 17: because they were relatively healthy looking. You know, the hostages
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Speaker 17: were held in different places, were treated differently. I think
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Speaker 17: this next tranch of hostages hostages, I think one will
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Speaker 17: see that they were tortured and scarred and starved, and
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Speaker 17: I think it's not a good look for Camas. You
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Speaker 17: have Jews looking like their Holocaust survivors. I'm sorry to
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Speaker 17: say that, but that's what we're looking. That's what we're facing,
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Speaker 17: and Hamas doesn't want to have that blowback. I think
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Speaker 17: it's important to note the difference between the rhetoric of
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Speaker 17: the Trump administration versus what the rhetoric of the Biden
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Speaker 17: administration has been in the past. Trump is telling Israel,
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Speaker 17: you do what you got to do. You have free rate,
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Speaker 17: this is your decision. To make no doubt that if
45:08
Speaker 17: Biden was president, he would force Israel to keep the
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Speaker 17: term of the ceasefire, even though comes has violated.
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Speaker 4: We know this because he's done in the past.
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Speaker 17: He could jole, and he pushed, and he threatened, and
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Speaker 17: he embargoed Israel for defending herself. So I think that
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Speaker 17: Israel finds herself in an enviewable position where it can
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Speaker 17: make its own foreign policy decisions and decide how it
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Speaker 17: wants to treat its neighbor in a time of war.
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Speaker 4: I think Israel's benefiting from that for sure.
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Speaker 2: And we saw the Jordanian king at the White House
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Speaker 2: earlier this week. It's clear that President Trump wants those
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Speaker 2: countries to do more Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon. Perhaps he wants
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Speaker 2: them to pull their weight and not have the West
45:54
Speaker 2: carrying the weight of this crisis. How do you see
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Speaker 2: that progressing? Do you say those countries taking in Palestinian refugees,
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Speaker 2: resettling them or are they going to continue to refuse
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Speaker 2: to do that.
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Speaker 4: No, I don't see them taking them in.
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Speaker 17: Look, I think they have They know what they've gotten
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Speaker 17: themselves into when they took it past refugees the first
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Speaker 17: time around. Palestinians are particularly radical. They've radicalized the population
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Speaker 17: of the country, the de venters. They've caused tremendous amount
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Speaker 17: of issues and problems and angst for those countries.
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Speaker 4: So I don't think they're looking.
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Speaker 17: To take in more radical Hamas Palestinians into their country.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think Trump has a certain amount.
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Speaker 17: Of leverage with them, but I think they're going to
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Speaker 17: hold a whole truth that I think he has more
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Speaker 17: leverage to say to the to the air world, Look,
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Speaker 17: you guys have the finance reconstruction of Gaza, that that
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Speaker 17: shouldn't be on the shoulders of the United States and Europe,
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Speaker 17: that really, this is your region, your area.
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Speaker 4: You need to shold that loads.
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Speaker 17: But I think ultimately, look, I think the Palestinians are
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Speaker 17: going to remember this were this campaign for generations. I
47:04
Speaker 17: think they hopefully have come to the realization that when
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Speaker 17: you spill Jewish blood there are real prices and consequences
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Speaker 17: for those actions, and hopefully we'll have a better and
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Speaker 17: more stable Middle East because of it.
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Speaker 2: I fear that lesson is not going to be learned.
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Speaker 2: But I think the normalization of relationships in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East to Saudi Arabia and Israel, for example, if that
47:28
Speaker 2: comes in the next few months or even in Trump's
47:31
Speaker 2: second term, that will have an enormous difference because It
47:35
Speaker 2: just shifts the entire understanding of how that region works.
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Speaker 2: For so long, we're told that until the Palestinians have statehood,
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Speaker 2: you can never have relationships normalized in that region, and
47:49
Speaker 2: Trump with the Abraham Accords show that that was a fallacy.
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Speaker 2: So it's going to be fascinating to observe. Just before
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Speaker 2: you go, I want to ask you about the World
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Speaker 2: Health Organization TRUMPSA, We're drawn from it Argentina. Argentina is
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Speaker 2: set to follow and the whod chief is now panicking,
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Speaker 2: is pleading with other countries to help get the US
48:11
Speaker 2: to reconsider. How do you say this resolving? Are we
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Speaker 2: going to see the World Health Organization reformed or just
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Speaker 2: more countries leaving?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm sorry, Worth, World Health Organization.
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Speaker 17: Maybe you shouldn't have partnered with with China in hiding
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Speaker 17: the coronavirus. Maybe you would have a little more credibility
48:34
Speaker 17: in the world stage, and particularly the United States. Are
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Speaker 17: they going to reform themselves? That's not the DNA of
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Speaker 17: the United Nations and its organizations. Reform is not what
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Speaker 17: they do. Look Argentina, love it. Bila my spirit animal.
48:47
Speaker 17: Following the Trump's lead, I'm all down for it. I
48:50
Speaker 17: hope more country will follow suit. There has to be
48:52
Speaker 17: a price to pay for these organizations. They can't simply
48:56
Speaker 17: continue doing the same actions that are harming the United States,
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Speaker 17: harming the world, and continue to say we're going to
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Speaker 17: get more money from you. It doesn't work that we
49:05
Speaker 17: have to use the leverage we do. The leverage we
49:06
Speaker 17: have is economic. I'm glad we're doing it. Hopefully we'll
49:08
Speaker 17: make a change.
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Speaker 2: Amy Horowitz, thank you so much for your time, and
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Speaker 2: that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight, but don't
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Speaker 2: forget Left is losing it Tomorrow night at nine