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The Best (And Worst) Simpsons Episodes Of Season 21 · Four Finger Discount (Simpsons Podcast)

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  Speaker 1: Four-finger discount, dude.
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  Speaker 2: It's the Season 21 wrap-up here of Four Finger Discount.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you all for sticking with us for the entirety
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  Speaker 2: of Season 21. I'm not going to lie, Season 21
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  Speaker 2: was a lot more enjoyable than I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be. What are your thoughts going into Season 21?
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Guy Davis, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, yeah, he's Dan Doan Guy.
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  Speaker 2: I am, yes, Dan Doan indeed. Season 21 was where
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  Speaker 2: it's become blatantly obvious, running through the episodes, I had
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  Speaker 2: stopped watching the show. I wasn't watching the show week
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  Speaker 2: to week by this point.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly.
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  Speaker 2: I reckon I've maybe seen maybe two or three of
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  Speaker 2: them going into it. And I didn't have very high hopes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. I thought it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a real struggle. I enjoyed a lot more
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  Speaker 2: than this light, I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I see where you're coming from. Sort of feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way in some ways. Although for me, this
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  Speaker 1: felt very much like, not so much, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: a great episode, but going through it's like, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: going to have to pick and choose. I'm really going
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  Speaker 1: to have to sort of keep my eye on the ball.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I like that. I like that guest performance.
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  Speaker 2: Or like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: A few good gags in there or more often than
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  Speaker 1: not you had a good idea to begin with but
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  Speaker 1: you just couldn't follow through on it or you didn't
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  Speaker 1: follow through.
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  Speaker 2: On it or you had too many ideas oh yeah
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  Speaker 2: yeah or you like and nothing really got fleshed out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so you smushed together three ideas into one episode
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  Speaker 1: and hoped that it would sort of work and more
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  Speaker 1: often than not it didn't quite hit the mark.
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  Speaker 2: It did feel like in this season in particular we
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  Speaker 2: were doing a lot of fixing what we would consider
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  Speaker 2: fixing the stories.
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  Speaker 1: Sure yeah Now, maybe I'm kind of high on our
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  Speaker 1: sort of creative abilities in that regard, but I often
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  Speaker 1: think that some of the things that we came up
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  Speaker 1: with to either major tweaks or complete overhauls for certain episodes,
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  Speaker 1: I think we did a pretty good job with that.
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  Speaker 1: I would watch that episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we recently had an interview, a discussion you
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  Speaker 2: would call, it wasn't really an interview, a chat with
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  Speaker 2: Mike Reese, which hasn't been released yet, but it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be coming up in your feeds in a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks. Mike Reese, our conversation with him, and he
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  Speaker 2: was just talking about how Sometimes it got to a point,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was with David Merkin. One of the two
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  Speaker 2: were talking about how it got to the point. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was Mike because Mike was saying how even in
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  Speaker 2: the golden era, there would come a point where jokes
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  Speaker 2: would get through where they're like, we're just really tired
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  Speaker 2: and we just, this will do. And he goes, and
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  Speaker 2: he still looks back on those episodes now and thinks,
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  Speaker 2: I really wish I didn't because it stands out to me.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, that's such a level of, what's the term? Quality.
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  Speaker 2: Quality control. And he, because he was working on the show,
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  Speaker 2: he can see and go, that joke doesn't land because
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to get home. It feels like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that happening now where it's just, what can
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  Speaker 2: we do? That'll work. As opposed to, what is the best?
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  Speaker 2: Is that really the best thing? It's like, yeah, that works.
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  Speaker 2: Next one. Yeah, it works. Next one. As opposed to,
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  Speaker 2: can we do better?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the further you go along in the run
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  Speaker 1: of the series, when you reach something like season 21, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that quality seems to have dropped even further. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not so much, Oh, this is an okay placeholder joke.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, it's not even really a joke. It's just
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  Speaker 1: something that's like, we need to move the story forward.
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  Speaker 1: So this is going to happen. Yeah. Or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a situation or this is something that home
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  Speaker 1: is going to do or whatever. And, but we haven't really,
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  Speaker 1: when I say we, I'm talking about they, the other
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  Speaker 1: writers of the show or creators of the show haven't yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't put in any effort, but
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  Speaker 1: the effort that they did put in was substantially lower
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  Speaker 1: than the tip top days. And even the sort of
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  Speaker 1: the middling days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's why it struck me anyway. And I feel bad
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  Speaker 1: saying that because, you know, creativity is hard. It's not
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  Speaker 1: an easy thing. You know, it requires a bit of
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  Speaker 1: elbow grease and, you know, it requires inspiration but it
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  Speaker 1: also requires perspiration, as they say. Yeah, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say that these guys, oh, you haven't done
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  Speaker 1: the work or you didn't do your homework or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. But that's how it felt sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: There also were a couple of episodes in this season,
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  Speaker 2: which I think we should start with, that I thought
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  Speaker 2: were just atrocious. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when we- By the way, I've just realized
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  Speaker 2: what you look like with those glasses when they're askew.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me of Jerry Lewis. What's the movie when
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  Speaker 2: he's the- Nutty Professor? Nutty Professor. That's right, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Lady.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm like, what movie poster does it look like?
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  Speaker 2: It's the Nutty Professor.
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  Speaker 1: If you are watching this on video, if we've clipped
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  Speaker 1: it into whatever, yes. One of the arms from my
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  Speaker 1: glasses is missing. The pin fell out, and I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: them fixed today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Please don't. What?
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  Speaker 1: I could just have them like this from now on.
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  Speaker 2: What did Louise say? Have you shown Louise the glasses?
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  Speaker 2: He just woke up to a dinner night with her friends.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, honey.
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  Speaker 2: And just don't explain it.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are still wearing two arms on your glasses?
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  Speaker 1: It's 2026, guys. Come on. Get with the times. No,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get these fixed. But they're still working
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  Speaker 1: in the interim. I can read my notes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but we're talking about atrocious episodes, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. We always do a wrap-up at the end
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  Speaker 1: of a season when we're done, and Dano said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we usually do our top fives. You'll try to think
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  Speaker 1: of mine. I'll try to think of yours. We'll do
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. He said, oh, yeah, we'd also
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  Speaker 1: better talk about, yeah, what didn't work this season. There
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  Speaker 1: were a few, and I think there was one that
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  Speaker 1: really stood out. I mean, you said, let's do one
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  Speaker 1: each where it's like this was the bottom of the barrel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Did we pick the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think? Well, I thought there was two in
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  Speaker 2: this season that were like really, really shit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to get that up the list because
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  Speaker 2: we'll cover them both, all right? So one of them
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  Speaker 2: was the color yellow and the other one was the
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  Speaker 2: greatest story ever doed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So the greatest story ever doed for me, I was just...
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  Speaker 2: Because I had the Sacha Baron Cohen as the tour
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  Speaker 2: guide and whatnot, but the story was just so shit.
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  Speaker 2: It was just... The Simpsons are... Going to- Going to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Going to Israel. And it was just like, what's the-
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  Speaker 2: The whole concept was Flanders was taking them there to
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  Speaker 2: teach them. And he's paying for their trip. And Homer's
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  Speaker 2: a jerk there. And I'm just like, what? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It failed or was just a misfire on so many levels.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't do right by Flanders. It- made
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  Speaker 1: Homer even more of a boorish jerk than he had been,
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  Speaker 1: and that's saying something.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of bits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Everything with Sacha Baron Cohen was self-indulgent. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think he put in the work, but no one
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  Speaker 1: told him, it's like, that's not exactly what we need.
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  Speaker 2: I re-watched certain bits of it this morning, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, it feels like either he was going off script,
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  Speaker 2: and they were too polite to say, no, we don't
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  Speaker 2: really want that, or they were just starstruck, and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: people will love this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's It's SBC. You can do no wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He's Borat. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, oh, we could be creating a whole new character here.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you didn't really.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: And, yeah, I think when we reviewed it, yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you go back and listen to that episode, we're just
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  Speaker 1: sort of stunned by how misguided and kind of atrocious
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the color yellow, which is them talking
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  Speaker 2: about the family tree and whatnot. Yes. And it just
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  Speaker 2: defies all logic. And I know continuity is not a thing,
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  Speaker 2: but we discussed with David Merkin, which hasn't also been
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  Speaker 2: released yet, but our chat with David Merkin, and he
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  Speaker 2: was talking about the importance of continuity. Yeah. And it's
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  Speaker 2: what we say. He goes, people invest time in this show.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: People invest their emotions in these characters and their time
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  Speaker 2: in these characters. If none of that matters, then why
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  Speaker 2: should any of us care?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Why should we as writers care? If the continuity of
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  Speaker 2: the characters doesn't matter, then what are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. As I've always said, you need to have
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  Speaker 1: flexibility within the framework. You've got to have a framework
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  Speaker 1: that people can rely on, that people can trust. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is the internal logic of The Simpsons. The family
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  Speaker 1: is always going to be this. And yeah, these are
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  Speaker 1: the things that we can work from. We can tweak
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  Speaker 1: them a little bit. We can mess around with them.
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  Speaker 1: And occasionally when we take sort of big swings or
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  Speaker 1: big departures, I'm like, oh, well, that's an interesting sort
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  Speaker 1: of take on things. But no, generally you have to
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  Speaker 1: remain Fairly straightforward. If you've been, certainly if you've been
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  Speaker 1: going for as long as the Simpsons has.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember the color yellow just not being funny.
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  Speaker 2: It just, I don't know if it's the end and
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  Speaker 2: I went, what the hell was that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. I mean, if you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, America's history with slavery, I mean, that's not exactly,
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  Speaker 1: first of all.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Had to get comedy out of that
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  Speaker 2: topic in the first place. Had to get yucks out
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: But then, yeah, just rewriting or replanting the whole Simpsons
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  Speaker 1: family tree. Rewriting history.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is nutty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, It didn't really work.
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  Speaker 2: No, it didn't work. So they were my two least
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  Speaker 2: favorites of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm not quite as, I don't really remember
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  Speaker 1: the color yellow as much, but yeah, Greatest Story Ever
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  Speaker 1: Dode was so bad that it kind of stuck in
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  Speaker 1: my head and lives there rent free.
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  Speaker 2: I had forgotten about it until I went through the
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  Speaker 2: list and I was like, oh, my mind had thankfully
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  Speaker 2: erased that one. But it's back now. But yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: the two least favorites. So let's go through our top five.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't guessed what your top five will be, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try and have a guess. Okay. I reckon, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have Chief of Hearts in there. I
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  Speaker 2: reckon you'll have Chief of Hearts. I reckon you'll have
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  Speaker 2: American History Excellent. I think you'll have Mo Letter Blues, maybe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe Mo Letter Blues. I think you'll have Thursdays with Amy.
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  Speaker 2: And The Devil Wears Nada. What have you got?
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  Speaker 1: Are you talking about that I think you've got? Yeah, yeah. Okay, then.
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  Speaker 2: I think you've got- You can see my list.
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  Speaker 1: I think you've got Home of the Whopper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Boy Meets Curl. Chief of Hearts, Thursdays with Aby, and
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  Speaker 1: Once Upon a Time in Springfield. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Good solid guesses.
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  Speaker 1: I initially gave myself some of those, but then I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about, I mean, not that I'd, I think
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  Speaker 1: we can double up.
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  Speaker 2: There's going to be crossover. Of course there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be overlap. Some episodes will just stand out to this season.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then thinking about it more, it's like, then it
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  Speaker 1: is like an episode where this kind of thing happens.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's put that one in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I'll start with one of mine. Right. So
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  Speaker 2: no particular order. My number one is my number one.
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  Speaker 2: Everything else is no particular order. I'll go with Pranks
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  Speaker 2: and Greens. So this is Bart meeting his idol, who
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  Speaker 2: was Andy Hamilton, who was the prankster at Springfield Elementary
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  Speaker 2: before he was.
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  Speaker 1: Voiced by Jonah Hill.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed. Yes. And I just thought it was a fun
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  Speaker 2: story that puts a spotlight on the importance of having
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  Speaker 2: a sense of direction in your life. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: all right to, you know, be a larrikin and have fun,
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  Speaker 2: but you've got to have some sort of idea of
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  Speaker 2: where you're going. And Bart meets his hero here. This
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  Speaker 2: was the era of, you know, everyone was doing pranks
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube and that kind of thing. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: pranks on YouTube are really that much of a thing. Well,
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  Speaker 2: not as big as they used to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's reached such a saturation level that you have to
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  Speaker 1: be really good. And also you have to be a
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  Speaker 1: really sort of charismatic and likable presence pulling off this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing as opposed to just being a little stinker.
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  Speaker 2: Because people see, I think people see pranks now as, oh,
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  Speaker 2: fuck off, go away, as opposed to, oh, that guy's
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  Speaker 2: so funny. Yeah. The idea of what a prankster is
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  Speaker 2: has changed. The idea of a podcast. Podcasts back in
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  Speaker 2: the day was like, that's cool. That's different. Now it's everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's radio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing with pranks too is we've seen
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  Speaker 2: it all before. We've all seen the bike being tied
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  Speaker 2: to a tree. We've all seen the farting in front
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  Speaker 2: of people on an escalator prank. It's come up with
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  Speaker 2: something different.
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  Speaker 1: Now, essentially, when I think of internet pranks, I think
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  Speaker 1: of someone who's just gone overseas and is basically ruining Japan. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I get really annoyed. When I see these videos of
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  Speaker 2: people who their whole thing is just, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: husband and wife pranking each other. And I'm like, these
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  Speaker 2: are so orchestrated and fake and set up. It's just like...
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  Speaker 2: And there's one guy who changes things with AI in
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  Speaker 2: movies and his grandma watches. And the first time I
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  Speaker 2: watched one, it was like he put her in the movie.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, what the fuck is this? This is
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  Speaker 2: fucking great. And then I thought it was funny. And
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  Speaker 2: then I went through like their feed. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's just the same thing. And she turns and goes,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck am I doing in this fucking movie?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, but you can count on the seventh or eighth time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a bit. Oh, you're doing a bit.
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  Speaker 2: But they're really successful. And I'm just like, oh, so
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  Speaker 2: that's what people are doing now? Yeah. But I get
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  Speaker 2: really annoyed by the orchestrated pranks like that. But I
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  Speaker 2: just liked here that Bart was the one who actually
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  Speaker 2: got Andy's life back on track. But I also liked
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  Speaker 2: the B plot here. And the B plot was the
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  Speaker 2: one where Marge was being judged in the mother's group
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  Speaker 2: for serving unhealthy snacks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, I've lived through that. And it's
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  Speaker 2: very accurate. It's just- Usually first times- In terms of
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  Speaker 2: what you have- What you're serving your kids, right? It's
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  Speaker 2: usually first time parents, they've read all the books now
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  Speaker 2: and they've watched all the videos and it's, this is
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  Speaker 2: how you're supposed to do it. And there's no fucking way,
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  Speaker 2: there's no right or wrong way, right? There are wrong ways,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no, this is how you should do it.
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  Speaker 2: Every kid's different. There's nothing wrong with giving your kids
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  Speaker 2: some unhealthy snacks from time to time. It's all about balance, right?
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  Speaker 2: If that's all you give them, so be it. But A,
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  Speaker 2: don't get annoyed if your child eats something that's unhealthy. B,
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  Speaker 2: don't judge someone else for what they want to do
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  Speaker 2: with their kid as well. If their kid is fine-
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  Speaker 2: If they're not abusing their child, just mind your own business.
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  Speaker 2: So I liked the B-plot in this one as well,
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  Speaker 2: Pranks and Greens.
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  Speaker 1: Well, true, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it ends up becoming the writer for Krusty as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that B-plot is an interesting one. I mean, as
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  Speaker 1: everyone knows, I'm no parent or anything like that, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm imagining, yeah, as you said, with first-time parents, it's
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  Speaker 1: very much a thing of like, not I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be the first parent to get it exactly right all
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  Speaker 1: the time, but you are like, holy shit, this is
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  Speaker 1: a big responsibility. I'm going to try and dot every
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  Speaker 1: I and cross every T. And then you realize the
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  Speaker 1: lesson that every parent is essential. It's like, well, some
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  Speaker 1: of the I's and T's are going to go uncrossed
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: and undotted at some stage. I'm going to get as
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: many right as I can. But occasionally, sorry, the TV
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: is going to have to be the babysitter for like
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: 20 minutes or so. Or, okay, fine, it's mac and
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: cheese out of the box for dinner. Even though I
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: was going to do some organic shit. you want a
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: mac and cheese? And honestly, this is not the hill
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to die on.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I get home and I'm just like, do you
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: just want dinosaur spaghetti out of the tin? Not straight
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: out of the tin, like heat it up, obviously. They're
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: just like, yes! I love it. I'm like, it's not nutritious,
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: but you know what? It's better than fucking chicken nuggets. Sure.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: It's just once at a time, occasionally just having some
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: tin food. Who cares? But the best advice as a
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: parent of two kids now that I can give new
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: parents is to listen to advice. Don't read the books.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about what they say you should be doing,
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: what you should be doing. Listen to people who have
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: experienced it themselves. Yes. People offering you advice. Because I,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: when we first had Elliot, was very standoffish. You know,
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: my mum would say, Mum, I know what I'm doing. Dad,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And I didn't listen to the advice. And then like
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: six months later, you look back and you think, oh,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: if I just listened to them in the first place,
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: I probably would have been fine. So don't be stubborn.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: You won't get it right. There is no such thing
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: as right.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: You took the long road.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: When someone is offering you advice about what you should
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: do for your kid, it might not be the right answer,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: but listen to it, take it on board, and then decide.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Don't just go, no, no, I'm not listening. Listen to it,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: take it on board, and decide whether it's worth it.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes you're receiving advice like, oh, God, it's
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: my kid, not yours. Or you're a goddamn no-no. I mean, sometimes, yeah,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: the way you receive that information, even though it's probably
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: perfectly valid, it's kind of like, But the way that
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: you're delivering it is making me not want to listen
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: to it. The way I always.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I think the reason I didn't take it well at
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: the time was I saw it as, you don't think
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: I know what I'm doing.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: And I quickly realized, I don't fucking know what I'm doing.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I should have listened to what they were saying.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Pranks and Grains got in my top five.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: What's got.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: to your top five?
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Look, this is maybe a bit of a surprising one
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: to get in my top five, but I put in
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Judge Me Tender.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Really? Okay. I thought about it. I know you love Mo,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: but I just remember it being such a blatant crossover
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: with American Idol. I was like, eh.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's the thing. I mean, you mentioned that
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I might like Mo Letter Blues, and that is a
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: very Mo-heavy episode, but also, yeah, the structure of that
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: is just so stupid. And the structure of that is confusing,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: and the way that it presents the characters who get
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: this letter from Mo.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a parody of that 50s or 60s movie,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: wasn't it? It's a parody from an old movie called
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: A Letter to Three Wives. Yeah.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Which I think when we reviewed the episode, I said,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: this is pretty obscure stuff to be drawing inspiration from.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: And we also touched on there, we've entered the era
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: where rather than just do bits that are parodying old films,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it's the entire story is a parody of the film
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: to the point where if you don't quite know the
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: source material- It doesn't quite land.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Once you know the source material, you're like, oh, I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: see what you're going with here. But if it's the
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: entire story is based on, oh, this is the parody
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of this story, you're like, but I don't know that story.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah, Let the Three Wives
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: is old enough that, as you were saying, with older
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: episodes of The Simpsons or earlier seasons of The Simpsons
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: when they would have references or they'd be taking off something,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: you could ask your older sibling or your parents would go, oh,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing this. With Mo Letter Blues- You'd have to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: be asking your grandparents, essentially. And.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And it's not.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a bad.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Thing, but... And it's not a popular movie or TV...
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Is it a movie or TV show?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: It's a movie, yeah. It's not a popular movie, really. Well, it's...
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I think you'd have to be sort of like a.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's not Indiana Jones, is what I'm saying.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: No. You know what I mean? No, or even like Casablanca.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's an old black and white movie.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: But everyone knows Casablanca.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Or knows the core moments.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: From it, absolutely. Yeah, but with this, it's like... And look,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I think the... The central idea is not necessarily a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: bad one, but it's just executed so poorly here. So
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: that's in Mo Letter Blues. Going back to Judge Me Tender, again,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it talks about what we were saying about, oh, we
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: fixed a few episodes. And the idea that we came
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: up with, that Mo becomes like a pro heckler for
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the likes of Krusty, so to throw off the competition,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I think that could actually work. And Mo.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Having a tour with the Life Factory.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, check out our most recent episode of Going
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Down to South Park where we talk about- We apologize.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: We apologize. Just like Michael Richards. Kiss it. Yeah, making
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Mo- I like an episode where Mo gets to sort
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of use his powers for good or to his benefit because,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, he's so downtrodden and he's so sort of dismissed.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Then when he gets an opportunity to, hey, we like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: this guy for, admittedly, all the wrong reasons, I can
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: roll with that. So, yeah, the fact that it did
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: become a blatant crossover in its second half, too blatant
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. I mean, I like the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: idea of Mo getting into the spotlight. Hey, we've recruited
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: him for American Idol, and he finds a nemesis in
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Simon Cowell. Two evil geniuses are going up against one another.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: That's not bad either. It didn't quite stick the landing.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: In fact, it didn't really stick the landing at all.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It sort of landed and broke its leg.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: But it's in your top five.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Which says a lot about season 25. I like Judge
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Me Tender for what it could have been as opposed
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to what it was. And there's enough in there that
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: makes me go, yeah, we could do something with this.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yep. My next one is Million Dollar Maybe. I just
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: thought this was a really fun concept. It's the one
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: where Homer doesn't go to the wedding. He goes and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: gets the lottery ticket and wins the lottery. but then
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: can't tell anybody because it would reveal that he... He
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: didn't screw over Marge. I mean, he kind of did,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: but he had the right intentions. He wasn't being selfish
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and going to Moe's or anything.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't so bad, but he was buying everyone gifts,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: but he had to do it in secret. And then
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Bart finds out the secret. And rather than go along
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: with the plan, he's just like, you know what?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck this.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be honest to Marge. And I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: was like, I think it was pretty decent for the
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: most part in this episode. So I just like the idea.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I think it was kind of... Because you can imagine
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: yourself being in a situation where I won the lottery.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But it's like, if you win the lottery, would you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: want everyone to know you won it? Or would you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just like to spoil people and not have them know?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You tell your closest friends or your closest family, I think.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But would you want everyone in Geelong to know that
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you've just become a multimillionaire?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Probably not. Nah, neither. I would spread the wealth a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I wouldn't want people I didn't know
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: or even people I sort of knew on a very
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: flimsy basis saying, hey, I've got this great business opportunity.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't want to hear it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think if you won the lottery, I won
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Tuts Lottery, we call it here, That you would start
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: eating at fancier restaurants? That you would start spending money
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: because you can?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: No. I don't recommend that. No, I would not go
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: from zero to 60. I mean, I would not do
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a 180 degree shift in terms of like, well, I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: off to Costington.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I'd buy a nice house.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I'd fill it full of pinball machines.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, look, I still have
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: fantasies about it to this day. And what I would
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: do is, yeah, I would fix my house. Yeah, I'd
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: pay off my mortgage, fix my house. I would probably-
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Upgrade the car, but not to like a Rolls Royce
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'd probably get a nice high-end Beamer.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Would you have like a library in your house?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the bulk of it I'd invest in just– you can
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: buy things or you can buy time to enjoy the things.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: The beauty of winning a Tesla would mean that you
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: don't have to work. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: could pay someone to edit all these podcasts. Correct.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So a million dollar maybe. Look, it's a great idea.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Does Bart in this, does he sort of like, he
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: manipulates dad.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: He manipulates dad. He's like, if you don't let me,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: if you don't buy me this or help me do this.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I think he goes to the Coldplay concert with him
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And he's like, and then Herman realizes, you know what,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: screw this. I'm just going to be honest and tell Marge.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: But the B plot in this one's a fun one.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It's where Lisa buys the Z for the retirement castle.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And they all get a new lease on life and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: they're fitter and they're happier. And then the nurses are like,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: fuck this.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: This is my work.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Somehow it ends up in the dishwasher. And I was like.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Probably accurate. So I have a fun little B-plot as well.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So a million dollar maybe was in my top five.
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• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about The Bob Next Door. That's one that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I've got. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: This was one of the better Bob ones I've had
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: for a few seasons.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah. I mean, I can take or
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: leave Sideshow Bob episodes. As I've said, I'm always a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: fan of what Kelsey Grammer brings to the table. Always
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a professional. Certainly when it gets to the recording booth,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: if you can get him into the recording booth, as
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we've discovered through some of our chats with the guys
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: at Simpsons Asia. Yeah, with Jay, who told some very
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: interesting on-the-record stories.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: David... David Silverman as well? Not David Silverman.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Who was the creators of the show? You had Matt Groening,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: James L. Brooks, and Sam Simon. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: He's always angry. You see the way he looked at me?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He was just saying hello. He was just saying good morning.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Come on, Sam.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Kelsey Grammer apparently, yeah, could be a little
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: difficult getting out of his trailer. But once you did,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: he was on. And he always is. And he is
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in the Bob next door.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean- Very gruesome. Because the face-off parody.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: It is, yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as you were saying, this could have
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: been very much a- It would have fit in a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Treehouse of Horror episode. By the way, we'd better stipulate,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Treehouse of Horrors are generally not in the running. No, never.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: They are always- We tend to view them as a
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: cut above.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're in their own sort of thing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they would usually be like, number one for
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the 13th year running is Treehouse of Horror. So we're
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: not mentioning that this time around, but yeah. This did
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: get a bit gruesome with its whole face on parodies
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: and faces peeling off. Reminded me of like the horror
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: movie Hellraiser at some stage as well. There's a lot
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of missing skin in that one.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I remember my Uncle Darren, he was like the horror,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: he's the horror guy. He got me into horror. Not
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that I'm a huge horror fan now, but like he
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: had all the horror DVDs when people used to watch
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: DVDs and whatnot, but he would import them from America.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like the multi-region DVD player and he couldn't get them
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: here in Australia.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Uncle Darren, what a guy.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I know, but he had the best of like, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: best of the horror villains like collection. When compilations were
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Sure. Right?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And I remember I had the clip. I'd never seen Hellraiser,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: but Hellraiser was pulling the guy's skin off with chains.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck is this?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Stretching his skin off and stuff.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It was great being a horror fan in
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the 80s because you had Jason from Friday the 13th. Freddie.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Freddie from Nightmare on Elm Street. And they were kind
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of like fun villains.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, Freddy was always sort of cracking wires while
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: he was, you know, slashing you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Michael Myers.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Friday the 13th movie is a big
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: sort of big dumb fun. Yeah. It's like, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you're not there for character development or anything like that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You just want to see people.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Get chopped up. Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But they're not taking it too seriously. It's almost like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: it's like a ride on the ghost train. Then you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: watch Hellraiser. That's a really weird, kinky, fucked up movie
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: There's lots of them too.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And they're, with the exception of Hellraiser 2
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: colon Hellbound, The rest of them are absolute garbage. They're
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: no good.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You used that for many of the- Oh, sure.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the first one is very, very disturbing. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think I've talked in the past about that phenomenon
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: where you're like, God, you like movies? Bring a horror
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: movie to the party. Bring a scary movie. And occasionally
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: bring one that's like, yeah, this isn't what we meant.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: We wanted like Michael Myers. We wanted scary.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Terrifying.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: We didn't want something that would, you know, capsize our soul.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But the science said bring a scary movie. And you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bring this and at the end, you know, that dude's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: getting ripped apart by fishhooks. It's like, we'll tear your
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: soul apart.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I've always said, you know, that time on my birthday,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: we went, mum took us to the video store. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, a bunch of 14-year-olds. She's like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: hire whatever you want. Whatever you want, just not naughty movies.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Anything else, I'll let you hire it for tonight. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it was Bloodsucking Freaks. Ay, ay, ay. Because it sounds
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: like a horror movie, which obviously it is, but on
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the back cover, it's like, nude women?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, we can sneak this one in as well.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I remember Chris, who ends up working at Pop Culture.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Chris. He worked in the front office
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of Pop Culture when we were there. He was working
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: at the video store at the time. I remember he
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: saw Bloodsucking Freaks, he looked at me, looked at mum,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, she said we can have whatever he wants.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And he was like, all right.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: He's probably looking at his co-worker.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Like, eh. All right. Have fun, kids. And I remember
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: just sitting in my bedroom watching this Bloodsucking Freaks and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: we just get to a point where one of us
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: had to go, we're going to turn this off, right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's fucking weird. A little Ralfus coming out. Oh, Ralfus.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I've... Told the story before about it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That's a core memory for me, though, watching Bloodsucking Freaks
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: with my mates.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. I've talked about getting this horror movie, The Burning,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: for a video party. It's a horror movie. It's got
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: all the passing. It's like, okay, he's a masked killer
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: going through the woods, chopping up teenagers at this summer camp.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Early role for Jason Alexander.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Full head of hair. That's right, yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: But it just dials it up. Your average horror movie
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: is maybe at about a six or a seven. This
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: dials it up to like nine. It's like, normally you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: see boobs and this has got boobs and bush. Or
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: normally it'll be a slash. It's like, oh, and it'll
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: stay on it for like two seconds.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Just enough.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And this stays on it for like five. Yeah. And
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that's blood gushing out a bit more. There's one scene
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: at the very start. Sorry, we should be talking about
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The Simpsons.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: The following podcast can take spoilers for the burning. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: This is the very start. The Cropsey killer. His name
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is Cropsey. He was set on fire during this prank.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: He's always a legend. Yes, indeed.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And he's just horribly burnt all over. He's basically like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a human melted candle.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: The Toxic Avenger.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Sort of, yeah. That's what he looks like. And he's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: been in hospital for goodness knows how long. You hear
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the voiceover, the skin graft just didn't take him. Sorry.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He goes, he's released from the hospital. He's all clearly
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: all sort of cloaked up and everything like that. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this hooker's like, hey, you want a good time? And
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: they go up to her room and she sort of sees,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you know, once he sort of takes his hat off
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and she can see he looks like Cropsey.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: She screams, yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, no, just get out.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no, no.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And she's just visibly disgusted. And he just grabs a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: knife and starts stabbing her. It's like, oh, man, I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: chose poorly. Because everyone's looking at me like... So you're
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like horror movies guy.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, so they didn't ask for a horror movie.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: No, they did.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But I think they were thinking, I'll bring back like
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a Friday, Halloween or something.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No basket case. Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. You look in the credits produced
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: by Harvey and Bob Weinstein.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It really was.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Oh no. Uh, What were we talking about? Horror movies?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Was it Million Dollar Maybe? No, no, no. No, we
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: moved on to The Bob Next Door. Oh, Bob Next Door. Yeah, yeah. Oh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: we were talking about Hellraiser faces.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had a good twist
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: in it as well. I like the best sides of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Bob ones have a bit of a twist in them.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: They do, yeah. And play on messages and all this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think watching this for the first time I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: would have seen that coming, the twist. No. Because they
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: do enough where you go, well, he sounds like Bob
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and he's acting like Bob, but Bob's in the cell.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not him. Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the whole bit at the end with the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: five corners and all that, which turned out to not
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: exist or whatever. Now, of course, there were bits in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it that didn't really work out. The whole thing with
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the waitress.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the family going to Mexico.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, and the family going to Mexico. Yeah, well, that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: sucked as well.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But there's some good Bob stuff in there. My next
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: one is going to be Homer the Whopper, which was the...
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: premiere of season 21.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Correct, yeah. I put this as one for you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought it was a fun sort of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: comic book based story. It was written by Seth Rogen
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and Evan Goldberg.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Goldberg, yes.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where Homer becomes the everyman, the superhero in the movie.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Perfect for the role. I like it when Homer gets
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a gig that he's actually really good at and he
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't fuck it up because he's just a moron. What
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: happens here is Seth Rogen's playing his personal trainer, which
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: is how many movie stars get into shape is their
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: whole life is designed to, you know, they're eating specific things,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: exercising by a routine. And once that train is no
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: longer with them, it's like, it's up to them, right?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Well, Homer here, he's very much like us. It's like, well,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: we don't have someone by our side to say, don't
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: do that. It's like, what's one going to hurt? What's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: one block of cheese? And then he ends up overeating
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and he ruins the movie as a result. But I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: thought Homer was very relatable here. I liked it when
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: he's good at a role. And I really enjoyed it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I thought it was very funny. And yeah. It was. Yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that whole, yeah, the whole thing about superheroes
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: having to bulk up as well. I mean, I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it seems like a relatively new phenomenon. I mean- I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: think you have to get in some degree of shape. But,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't see Michael Keaton getting completely jacked.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He wasn't jacked.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: No, no. I mean, the suit was doing a lot
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of the work there. I mean, I think Christopher Reeve,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: when he was first hired as Superman, he definitely hit
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the gym and all that. But not to the extent,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: let's say, your Chris's have for their various Marvel roles.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And let's be honest, Star-Lord doesn't need to be in shape, really.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Four, yes.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Four, absolutely.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Captain America, I would say so. Because, yeah, that first
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: reveal of him, like, Well, he was a little wimpy
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: guy and now he's just like built. It's like, yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you need that. Maybe not Star-Lord, but I get the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: feeling it was partly really good brand management on Chris
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Pratt's part and also really good advertisement for the movie.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, remember that funny fat guy you like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: from Parks and Rec? Check him out now. He's doing
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it for this movie. What?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: What is it with X-Men 2 of Hugh Jackman in 2000?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: It was like men went for the claws, women went
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: for the pecs.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: But even then, you look at Hugh and the- In
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the first X-Men movies. And yeah, they've got him with
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: his shirt off. He's lean. He's lean. He's not even
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that super defined. I mean, yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then cut to 15 or so years later
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: where he's in The Wolverine. Yeah. And yeah, it's like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: veins are popping out.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But that was also CGI, AI'd a lot of it too.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the clip that's been doing the rounds
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: on Twitter of, there was a scene where, what's it,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a katana? Is that the sword that Deadpool uses? go
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: straight through Wolverine because it's just been AI and they
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: didn't pick up on it. Oh, no. Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a great interview with Henry Cavill, who was Superman,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of course, on, I think it was the Graham Norton show,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: where they were talking about... Because he got his shirt
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: off a lot for when he was on that show,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: The Witcher. Okay. And, yeah, Henry Cavill already in pretty
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: good shape, but he was like, yeah, but for these
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: particular scenes where, you know, you have to look really
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: sort of... Yeah, we have to look really well-defined and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: really jacked.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: They defined him?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: No, no. He was talking about the... I imagine there's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: some digital enhancement, but he was saying for this particular day,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you're allowed this much to eat and you drink this
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: much water. And by the day that they're actually filming it,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it's like you're allowed maybe a thimble full of water
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: because your skin is then completely close to your muscles
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and you just look insane. Everyone's looking like, this sounds
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like something you'd do at Guantanamo Bay to people. It
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: sounds like an absolute torture.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Then I bought a house.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Then I bought all the houses.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Then I bought a good ton of a bay.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to hit up Guy Davis for money anymore. Yeah. Luckily,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Hemsworth is the smartest one out there because he's turned
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it all into a brandy thing. He's created his own
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: sort of fitness brand as well. It's like, well, it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gives me incentive to stay in shape. It also makes
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: me a little scratch.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Home of the Whopper. Yeah. And- Yeah, look, a pretty
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: good guest performance by Rogan as well.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what was your next one?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Bart Gets a Z. Okay.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Or a Zed.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Where he makes Mrs. K go to sleep.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he spikes her drink.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, not her. So she gets drunk.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets fired. Yeah, because- They get the cool teacher, right?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. I've forgotten who was voiced the cool teacher again.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: It was Zachary someone, wasn't it? Yeah, I think it's-
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That's the teacher's name.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It's Zachary Vaughn.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: As opposed to Veronica Vaughan. Yeah, so they get this
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: new cool teacher. Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Zachary Vaughan, yes, the coolest name in town. And yeah,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: he's one of these guys who's.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Friends him on Facebook. Is he friends him on Facebook?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Or he follows him or whatever? Yeah. He lets him
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: watch videos in class and.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Doing all the stuff that makes you popular with the students,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: but makes you quite an ineffective teacher. I mean, I'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: sure there are educators in the history of education who
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: have been able to pull this off, who have been- hey,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: if you need to talk to anyone, I'm your pal.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But they can also say, it's time for you to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: learn something. Or they're clever enough that they're able to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: fold actual lessons into the fun stuff that they're doing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: It's hard to find that balance of being a cool teacher,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: but also being a teacher. Because if you're just cool
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: all the time, the kids won't go, they'll go, what
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: do you mean you're making us do work? We're not
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: respecting you, but you need to have that level of
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: respect where they go, Okay, you're a cool teacher. You
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: let us do this, but we're also going to do
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: our work now because you let us do this stuff.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think that in any level of respect, there
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: is a tiny degree of fear? Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we had a couple of teachers at school that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: we just, he let us do whatever we wanted basically
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: in class. He'd be like, you want to go outside
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and kick the football?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: He goes, as long as you get that assignment on
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: my desk by Friday, I don't care what you do.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: He goes, you can maximize your time now while you're here.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: where it's quiet and get your work done, or you
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: can make it harder for yourself by having to cram
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it in a home and go and play outside and
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: play in the footy. And what happens was- How old.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Were you at this stage?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: We would have been year nine, I reckon. Okay, then.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And it got to a point where we would be
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: outside kicking the footy, and we sort of realised, I'd
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: rather not do homework. And it's almost like he's making
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you realise yourself, oh, let's just go outside and do
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the work. And you're like, oh, wait a minute. Rather
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: than say, you must stay here, he made us realise, oh, no,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it's better to be in here.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: It's a gamble.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: On his part. I mean, you're trusting that your students
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: are savvy enough to pick up on that. Because there
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: may be a fair few that sort of fall through
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the cracks as a result. But no, I thought, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: thought Bart gets a, we're going to say a Z
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: or a Zed. Whatever. Well, yeah. Our American friends would
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: say Z.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Let's call it Z. I say Z. I don't say Zed.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I tend to say, hmm.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I was raised on Sesame Street. That's why. That's true.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: But what'd you like about this one?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I like the relationship. between Bart and Mrs. Kraboppel,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think he sort of recognized, or he had to,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: he got some understanding of like, oh, this is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: The importance of teaching. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Importance of education. And like, this is a tougher job
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: than it may have initially seemed to be. I like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the idea of deflating the idea of the cool teacher
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit, because there've been so many shows and
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: stories about, hey, yeah, we're all hanging out. And we had,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: as I like to say, we had fun and we
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: learned a little something too. Mostly, you've just got to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: learn a little something.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And the one who was trying to make them teachers,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: he's like the bad guy, like the principal in Saved
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: by the Bell.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It's just like, no, no, he's doing the right thing.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He's doing his job. Yeah, that's what they are. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that, yeah, Zachary Vaughan sort of falls apart
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the minute he has to exert some authority. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: And I think this is where Mrs. Kelly starts her
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: own business as well, the bakery.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's, yeah, yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: She sort of has a. Even though she realizes that's, oh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: she thinks it's a dream, but it's not really her dream. Yeah,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: so she goes, this was my dream. So she starts
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: it up and then realizes she's in debt. And then
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: she realizes that, because Bart comes clean. He goes, oh, well,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you started your dream now. I'll tell you what happened.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I actually got you drunk. And she gets really angry.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: This is not my dream. My dream was teaching and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: you ruined that for me. So then he gets, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: think Zachary Vaughn, he hears him over after I was drunk.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Bart doesn't.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I think he records him babbling out from the kids.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Sparks his energy drink. That's right. Yes. And then he
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: gets Mrs. K her job back.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And that's how it wraps up.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Anything that's Mrs. K base is A-OK with me.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: That's how I was thinking that as well.
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• 38:03
  Speaker 2: next one is Once Upon a Time in Springfield.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: What's the one where Krusty marries Princess Penelope or he's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: going to?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: That's right, yes.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: So this is, I thought it was a really good
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: use of a guest role with Anne Hathaway as Princess
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Penelope because you're watching this and you're like, you would
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: not guess this was Anne Hathaway. I thought it was
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a nice sweet story for Krusty because Krusty, we always
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: see him as selfish, bitter, a prick, right? And here,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: for the first time in many years, we see him
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: be selfless and He's going to marry Princess Penelope. He's
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: in love. But then he realizes, if I let this...
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: If I marry this girl, I'm going to ruin her life.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Because I don't trust myself. So he doesn't marry her.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Then he goes to... Or she goes to Paris, I think.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And he arrives at the end and they... They fight
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: off together. But then the next episode, he's not married
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to her or whatever.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So it's like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Continuity and canon have gone right out the window.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: But I just thought it was a nice, well-told, sweet story.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I remember you weren't a big fan.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I recall that... Well, yeah, I'm... I'm definitely team Hathaway.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Good year out, girl.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I just didn't think this made as good a use
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of her as it could have. Yeah. I think as
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you pointed out, yeah, she's like, wasn't sure this was
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: going to happen. It could have been anybody, really. I'm
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: trying to think about what her particular sort of skill
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: set is. I mean, I think she looks like the
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: girl next door who can be quite mischievous as well,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: who's got hidden depths. And I don't mean mischievous in
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: like a saucy kind of way. I just mean like,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: If I saw her, I'd be like, bad news. yes
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but sign me up the kind of bad news that
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: you want to receive so yeah I just think like
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you've got someone like this you know acclaimed charismatic performer
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I just wish they were used a little more effectively
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: in this I don't think she would have I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: think she would have phoned it in I think she's
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the kind of person who does that I'm also curious
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: about what you just said about how, oh, I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: trust myself and I'll ruin your life if I marry him.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: That's the story of Once Upon a Time in Springfield.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: It's kind of taking away a bit of agency from
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Princess Penelope. She's really into it. And Christy says up front, look,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not a good guy or whatever. Let her make
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: her own decisions. I mean, she may learn something from
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: it as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true. It's the one where at the wedding, all
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of his ex-wives are there.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where he sees it and he goes, oh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I'm this one will end up, it's like, eh, like
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I said, maybe she is the one.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, she could be the one that changes
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you and she learns something from you as a result.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, Once Upon a Time in Springfield was
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: in mine as well. So what's your non-number one? What's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: your last one?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, I've got American History Excellent.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you'd have one. Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I like a good prison story. Yes. And this sort
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of borrows from a lot of them, doesn't it? Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: It's got a bit of Shawshank in there.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Greenwild in there.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Look at the castle in there as well, I think.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, the last castle?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: The last castle, yeah, yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't mix up.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Not castle.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Not go to the pool room. Yeah, and also a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: good story about how people you think are not going
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to abuse power will inevitably do so. Power corrupts and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: absolutely power corrupts, absolutely.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So this is the one where Burns goes to prison.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Burns goes to prison because he's... Is he stolen art
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: or is he.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Yeah, it's stolen art that belonged to
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: various museums, yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: That's right, yeah. And he's... I donated this much money
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to this place. I remember thinking at the time, it's like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: he's wrong, but he's not entirely wrong. But yeah, so
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: he's sent to prison and.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And Smith is now in charge of the power plant.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And Smith in charge of the power plant. That's right.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: And that was a story that didn't really focus enough on,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: but that's an entire episode in itself.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, when we were talking about this episode,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: when we reviewed it, it's like, yeah, this- A.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Good example of this wasn't fleshed out enough.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. These two bits sort of slot together well enough. Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: But if you took them apart and just had Burns
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: in prison and have him sort of become the power rugger,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: but just by virtue of him being smart and cunning
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and ruthless and all that kind of stuff, that could
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: be kind of interesting.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Burns with a do-rag on, just running the prison yard.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Who's Oz? What's his name play?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Schillinger? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, J.K. Simmons plays Schillinger, yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: One of the most evil. There's a lot of competition
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for who's the most evil in Oz. But yeah, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: also have an episode where it's like, Oh, Mr. Burns
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is incapacitated or just can't run the plant for a while.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Time for Smithers to step in. And everyone's like, oh, well,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: this guy's just such a beta male and he's so subservient. And,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: you know, oh, it'll be like, it's a free ride
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: for us. And no, no, he turns out to be
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: even worse. Both interesting.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: The thing is, we thought in that episode there that
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Smithers has been a great boss to them. And then
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: he goes to Mose and they're all just like, can
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you believe that dickhead Smith has looked at his dudes?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And you're like, why are you being horrible to him?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: He's the boss you want. You've won the game. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: then he becomes a prick after he hears that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: All right. My number one, I think it's going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: be your number one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Chief of Hearts.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. Hey, we did it. Great episode. I just thought,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: we don't often get Homer and Wiggum stories, but when
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: they do, they always just excel. Marge and the Lamb
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: is a good example. Yeah. When they're chasing Marge down.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: With Ruth. But this one here, so Wiggum is a
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: character who we always see him as like this bumbling,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: just doofus, right? They don't really get much substance to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: his character. This is the first time in a while
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: we've had some substance to him.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think, yeah, the main joke involving Wiggum
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: is he's a doofus and a goof, but he's in
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a position of power and authority. Yeah. That's both funny
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and horrifying.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he feels really bad for me. He's lonely.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: People don't want to be friends with him because he's
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a police officer. They feel like they can't be relaxed
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: around him. Oh, of course.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is... strikes me as a very valid concern
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to have or a very valid feeling that someone might have.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, how can I be friends with someone
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: when they're always afraid I'm going to bust them? Or,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you know, they're just afraid to be their true selves
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: around me because I might go, ah, ah, ah. So, yeah,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that he is lonely and latches onto Homer, but, yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: finds a kindred spirit in Homer because they are very
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: similar in so many ways. I mean, yeah, looking at
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Wiggum storylines or Wiggum bits and pieces throughout the whole
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: series of the show and looking at what Homer does
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: like yeah these two should.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Be besties you can also understand why Homer at certain
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: points was just getting sick of Wiggum because he was
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: smothering him because Wiggum's gone from having no friends to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: oh my god this guy's my best mate yeah And
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Homer's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I need space.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We've got to give this friendship room to breathe. Yes, yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But then I think, I remember at some point they
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: end up in the boot of Fat Tony's car.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And Wiggum, he's like, no, he basically gives Wiggum the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: uplifting speech. You're Wiggum. You can do this. And he
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: helps him get out. Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: They're in the boot together, captured by Fat Tony and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the gang. Wiggum says, oh, you have that much faith
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in me? Homer says, faith is what you have in
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real. Imagine hearing that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: What a big up. Yeah, so that's... But that line alone,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of gets the top spot.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But no, just a really... It felt fresh. It felt new.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: It felt like nothing was stupid in that episode. I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: just thought it could have been easily like a season
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: 12 episode. Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: A really faithful and more importantly, sincere look at male friendship.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And the emotion at the end felt earned. Yes. A
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: lot of times it feels like I get to the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: end and they're trying to have a big, sweet emotional ending.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And then undercut it. Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But this just felt earned.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: So Chief of Hearts, our number one for season 21.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Number one.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Indeed.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Indeed. All right, guys. Well, I hope you enjoyed that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: little run-through there of Season 21. A lot to look
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: forward to in Season 22 because it's your pal's Grindando.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 45:27
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• 45:29
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• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Tales of Futurama, and so much more. But until then, Mr. Davis,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: this has been our review of Season 21. Season 22
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: is upcoming. Any final words for those incredible listeners out there?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Just remember, incredible listeners... Your awesomeness is real.