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Did Brian Laundrie’s Parents Help Son Go On-The-Run With Attached Camper? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a federal indictment for the so
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Speaker 1: called boyfriend of Gabby Petito. Gabby now declared dead. We
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Speaker 1: know the manner of death is homicide. Cause of death
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Speaker 1: still not announced, but I can tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: Those medical examiners they know the cause of death because
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Speaker 1: it was just a matter of hours from the time
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Speaker 1: the autopsy started that they announced it's a homicide. I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you they know that it was blunt force trauma,
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Speaker 1: a bludgeoning, a beating, a strangulation, a gunshot wound, which
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Speaker 1: I doubt a stabbing. I guarantee you they know, but
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Speaker 1: they're not releasing it. Meanwhile, on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the country, we know that Brian Laundry's parents have taken
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Speaker 1: a trip. God departs this as that federal indictment is
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Speaker 1: handed down out of the Federal District of Wyoming against
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, but not for murder. Let's kick it off
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Speaker 1: with our friend Katie back NBC tonight, a federal arrest
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Speaker 1: warrant has been issued for Brian Laundry after a grand
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Speaker 1: jury indictment. Investigators now five days into the massive manhunt
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Speaker 1: earlier today, Brian's parents seem leaving their Florida home under
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Speaker 1: police escort the Ford Mustang. They say their son drove
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Speaker 1: to the reserve and left their returned after police towed
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Speaker 1: it away earlier this week. With an extensive search coming up,
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Speaker 1: empty mounting questions about what directions authorities will go next
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Speaker 1: with me and I'll start panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: and make sense of what we know right now. First
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Speaker 1: of all, high profile lawyer joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Jaxable area, Dale Carson, and former FBI agent doctor Angela Arnold.
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Speaker 1: Renowned psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Cheryl McCullum, founder
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Speaker 1: and director of the Coldcase Research Institute at Coldcase Crimes
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Speaker 1: dot org. Death investigator, Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott and Morgan.
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Speaker 1: But first to a special guest joining us, Fox News
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Speaker 1: and Fox Business reporter Paul Bast who has been in Northport,
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Speaker 1: Florida for the duration. Paul Best, First of all, let's
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Speaker 1: just figure out what is in this federal indictment. The
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Speaker 1: first thing to see across some of the releases by
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Speaker 1: the FEDS is all the different ways you can charge somebody.
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Speaker 1: It can be an information, which is basically when a
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Speaker 1: prosecutor gets a piece of payment goes, okay, I'm charging
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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Laundry with credit card theft. You just write
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Speaker 1: it up and that counts as a formal charge. I
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Speaker 1: don't like informations. I like the formality of a grand jury.
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Speaker 1: There was a grand jury in this case, and they
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Speaker 1: have handed down account describe at Paul Beast, what do
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Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, absolutely so. The US District Quarter of
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Speaker 1: Wyoming yesterday issued this federal rest warrant for Brian Laundry.
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Speaker 1: It alleges that he committed debit card fraud between August
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Speaker 1: thirtieth in September first, And if I could just quickly
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Speaker 1: note why that those days are important to our timeline
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Speaker 1: of kind of where Brian was moving around that time.
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Speaker 1: Just three days before August thirtieth would he allegedly committed
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Speaker 1: debit card fraud was when he was seen in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
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Speaker 1: essentially in an altercation with the waite staff at a
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Speaker 1: Text Mex restaurant, the one you're talking about, Mary Pig,
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Speaker 1: That's the one I'm talking about, and witnesses. We talked
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Speaker 1: to witnesses of this altercation. They tell us that Gabby
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Speaker 1: Petito during this was visibly distraught, that she was apologizing
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Speaker 1: to the White staff, and they also said that Brian Laundry,
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Speaker 1: while he wasn't being physically threatening, was clearly being aggressive
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Speaker 1: and was clearly very upset about something. It's unclear what
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Speaker 1: the argument was about, but that's kind of a key
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Speaker 1: date in our timeline as we can think together, Paul,
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Speaker 1: I like where you're going so far, Like everything thing
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Speaker 1: you've said so far. Have I ever said that? No?
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Speaker 1: Usually I say I hate everything you just said, But
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Speaker 1: you just gave me so much information. Let's go over it.
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Speaker 1: I love what you're telling me and explaining to me
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Speaker 1: about the significance of those dates. Now, the fans put
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Speaker 1: the dates in there because you usually have to have dates.
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Speaker 1: For instance, when I would prosecute a child lestation case
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Speaker 1: and the child couldn't remember the exact date, and I
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Speaker 1: would work with the child and say, what's the Christmas
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Speaker 1: tri up? Were their Halloween decorations up? And you would
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Speaker 1: get a sense of the time of the incident. You
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Speaker 1: can put a space of time, like the Feds have
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Speaker 1: done in this indictment between August twenty nine and September one.
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Speaker 1: That's what they put in there. That's okay, but there
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Speaker 1: has to be some kind of a time space in there,
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Speaker 1: and it's significant because of what you said. The Merry
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Speaker 1: Pig siding by. It was a New Orleans woman who
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Speaker 1: was there in Wyoming for a wedding with her her friend,
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, I guess, and they go to this Merry Pig,
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Speaker 1: Tex mex It said lunchtime between one and two. I've looked.
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Speaker 1: I found out there's not surveillance video, So everybody bring
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Speaker 1: it down a notch. There's not surveillance video in the
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Speaker 1: Merry Pig, but the Merry Pig has confirmed Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: and Gabby Potito were there. Means I guess they've got
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Speaker 1: a receipt with their name on it. But it was
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Speaker 1: bigger than just a little a little tiff because apparently
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Speaker 1: Paul Best joining us from Fox News, he went in
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Speaker 1: and out of the Mary Pig four times, raising h
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Speaker 1: E double ale. We think something to do with a bill,
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Speaker 1: while the waitress or the matre d or the hostess
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Speaker 1: was saying, well, we're sorry, we're sorry, and Gaby was
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Speaker 1: like saying, I'm sorry, right, that's that's absolutely true. Apparently
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Speaker 1: our witness tells us that there were four female wait
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Speaker 1: staff who Laundry was essentially aggressively arguing with. And like
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Speaker 1: I said before, Petito was not a part of this
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Speaker 1: other than just going in to try to apologize, try
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Speaker 1: to calm the situation down. Anyhow, the Gabby and Brian
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Speaker 1: eventually left the right Paul Bad, Paul Best. I know
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Speaker 1: you're all about the facts, but I like to go
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Speaker 1: beyond the facts. Okay, just hold on, Paul Best, just
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Speaker 1: take off your reporter hat one moment and pretend you're
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Speaker 1: sitting around a big conference table in the district attorney's
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Speaker 1: office and we're all having a cup of tea and
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Speaker 1: coffee and we're figuring this whole thing out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, my husband David has never thrown any kind
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Speaker 1: of fit like that in a restaurant, because there would
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Speaker 1: be a homicide in the parking lot, me killing him. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if anybody gets mad at the waitress or the waiter,
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Speaker 1: as me, if the twins don't have their food, but
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Speaker 1: I keep it down because the last thing you want
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Speaker 1: to do is antagonize the person carrying your food around.
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Speaker 1: All right, but have you ever seen that? And I
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Speaker 1: know you have some a hole throwing a fit and
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Speaker 1: the restaurant at the waitress who's trying her best to
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Speaker 1: get your food so you'll eat and lean leave her alone. Right, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But here's what stands out to me. The fact that
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Speaker 1: he comes in and out more than four times tells
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Speaker 1: me he does not have the ability of self control.
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Speaker 1: He believes everything is all about him, and he is
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Speaker 1: not going to stop until he is satisfied. His fiance
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Speaker 1: cannot calm him down, the manager can't calm him down.
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Speaker 1: The fact there's a room full of strangers staring at
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Speaker 1: him has no effect. Again, I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 1: he cannot hide who he truly is. And you know what,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold schiahs shoining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, I, of course again, I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the m D. I don't think that you just
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Speaker 1: jump up and have that behavior overnight. I think you
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Speaker 1: learned that from watching people and your family agree because
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Speaker 1: we would h el would freeze over before my husband
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Speaker 1: or really any of us would throw some kind of
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Speaker 1: a fit in a restaurant at a waitress's first of all,
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Speaker 1: I was a waitress in law school who's making minimum
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Speaker 1: wage and tips, and what they don't deserve is to
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Speaker 1: get berated by an angry person, especially someone threatening. You
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Speaker 1: learn that kind of behavior to misbehave in public. You
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Speaker 1: know what else you learn, Nancy went, You don't learn
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Speaker 1: how to keep your emotions in check, because that's something
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Speaker 1: else that you learn from your parents. As I've said before,
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Speaker 1: I do believe that this man is a full on sociopath. Now,
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Speaker 1: at first, sociopaths are very charming, but they are easy.
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Speaker 1: They are easily agitated when they don't have control over
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Speaker 1: a situation. So this incident just leads more credence to
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Speaker 1: his diagnosis, which is a personality disorder, that he is
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Speaker 1: a sociopath. Now, way, just a minute, do you don't
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Speaker 1: think you're reading a little too much into it, doctor Jy.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not a sociopath, But just because
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Speaker 1: he threw a fit at a restaurant, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that that means he's got it. I think I think
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Speaker 1: it shows Nancy that he's unraveling climb stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Paul Best back to the indictment. There's one count, and
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Speaker 1: everybody's screaming, why is it not a count for murder?
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Speaker 1: And I say, wait a minute, don't take the cake
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Speaker 1: out of the oven before it's done, because you know,
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Speaker 1: if they come down with an indictment right now for murder,
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Speaker 1: it would be so easy for a defense team to
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Speaker 1: slap a speedy on them, which means you got to
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Speaker 1: try the entire case within that grand jury term or
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Speaker 1: the next grand jury term. It's like six months. The
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Speaker 1: state has to happen all their ducks in a row
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Speaker 1: before they bring down a murder charge. Right, let's get
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Speaker 1: back to the indictment. Go ahead, sorry, right, I hear
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Speaker 1: del Carson. I think seventy days and federal district courts
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Speaker 1: seventy days, which isn't enough time to prepare for a murder,
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Speaker 1: not at all, Nancy. I just want to note that
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Speaker 1: the FBI seems to be kind of following exactly that
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Speaker 1: strategy in this the FBI special Agent and charge in
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Speaker 1: the Denver Field off it's actually said yesterday, while the
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Speaker 1: warrant allows law enforcement to arrest Laundry, the FBI and
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Speaker 1: you know law enforcement partners across the country continuing to
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Speaker 1: investigate the fact and circumstances of Potito's homicide. So it's
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Speaker 1: just like you said, this can allow them to bring
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Speaker 1: laundry in, Okay, Paul Best, Paul Best. Not everybody is
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Speaker 1: a crack investigative reporter or a lawyer or a law
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Speaker 1: enforce So could you just you got me drinking out
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Speaker 1: of the fire hijas too much too fast? Can you
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Speaker 1: slow that down and speaking regular people talk? The Field
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Speaker 1: office said what the FBI Field Office said, Well, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's like you said. This essentially allows them to
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Speaker 1: bring laundry in and could um you know, and it
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Speaker 1: turns this into a fugitive manhunt in the search for
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Speaker 1: him as a pope, But as far as we know,
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Speaker 1: he's still only a person of interest in Potito's disappearance
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Speaker 1: and eventual homicide. Now, for what it's worth, Laundry's attorney
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Speaker 1: told us yesterday, yeah, that it's his understanding that quote
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Speaker 1: your rest warrant for Brian Laundry's related activities occurring after
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Speaker 1: the death of Gabby Potito and not related to our
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Speaker 1: actual demise. Take that for what you will, Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I want to examine what you
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Speaker 1: just said. I think that's Joe Scott jumping in. Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: I know you're a death investigator, but you've been around
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Speaker 1: US lawyers for a long long time. What about that
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Speaker 1: lawyer parsing words? He's like, hello, whoa wait, this isn't
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Speaker 1: about killing Gabby. This is about stealing her money while
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Speaker 1: her body's decomposing out in the Yoming wild. I want
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Speaker 1: to just make that clear. There's no nice way to
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Speaker 1: put this, but he tried, Oh there's not. And of
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Speaker 1: course he's going to say that. And again, this is
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Speaker 1: a federal charge that they're bringing upon him. The homicide
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Speaker 1: charge will be a state charge. But let me tell
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Speaker 1: you what the Feds have done by indicting him or
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Speaker 1: bringing this warrant up relative to to laundry. And this
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Speaker 1: is very important, Nancy. Now, because he has this warrant,
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Speaker 1: this paper on him, this initiates US Marshal service at
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Speaker 1: this point in time. So you do not want to
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Speaker 1: mess with the US marshals. No, you do not. Did
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Speaker 1: I ever tell you that my personal investigator and bodyguard
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Speaker 1: in the DA's office, my first one went on to
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Speaker 1: be the US Marshal in the Northern District, Robert McMichael's
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Speaker 1: former nfler. Great guy, They don't play. You get the
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Speaker 1: US marshal on your tail, it's so over you might
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Speaker 1: as well give in. And this is what they specialize
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Speaker 1: in Nancy. You know, people forget about that. That's that
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Speaker 1: you know. Obviously they did court security in all but
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Speaker 1: this is this is their claim to fame. They're going
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Speaker 1: to put their people on it. And boy, let me
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Speaker 1: tell you something, once they dig their keeton to your
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Speaker 1: God help you. You just gave me an idea. Paul
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Speaker 1: Best back to you, guys. Special guests joining us is
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Speaker 1: Paul Best, Fox News reporter who has been there in
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Speaker 1: Northport from the get go. Critical question, Paul Best, is
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Speaker 1: it local law enforcement or is it the Feds out
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Speaker 1: there in the Carlton Reserve. So it's a lot of
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Speaker 1: local law enforcement in Venice Police Department which is nearby
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Speaker 1: Northport Police Department, Herosota County Sheriff's Office who are assisting.
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Speaker 1: But as far as we know, the federal the FBI
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Speaker 1: has taken over the search. But are the fans at
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve? Because if they're not, that tells me they
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Speaker 1: don't think laundry is out there. If the fans are
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Speaker 1: not out there in that dark water. We spoke with
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Speaker 1: on a professional recovery diver yesterday and he said that
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Speaker 1: water is contaminated because all the animals, not just fish,
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Speaker 1: but animals living in it, dying in it, defecating in it.
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Speaker 1: The water is contaminated swamp water, and they have to
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Speaker 1: wear full on dry suits. They don't want the water
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Speaker 1: to get into a wetsuit next to their body, and
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Speaker 1: that the water is as black as black coffee. And
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Speaker 1: if the fans are out there and that black water,
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Speaker 1: then I think they suspect either laundry or evidence relating
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Speaker 1: to laundry and Gabby are out there. If it's not
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Speaker 1: the fans in that water, that I don't know that
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Speaker 1: the fans really think he's there. Paul Best, Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: been mostly it's been you know, some time over the
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Speaker 1: past week at Carlton Reserve. It's been mostly local law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: We know the measure and Ball absent from the case,
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Speaker 1: but it's been mostly local law enforcement. And I do
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Speaker 1: want to note that that's absolutely true what you just said.
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Speaker 1: The Carlton Reserve is an unforgiving place there's no fresh water,
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Speaker 1: there's hardly anything edible. It's seventy five percent water. And
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Speaker 1: this is murky, gross algae balloons everywhere. And you know,
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Speaker 1: from everything that I've gathered, I've talked to some of
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Speaker 1: Gabby and Brian's friends, we know that Brian was an
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Speaker 1: experienced outdoorsman, that he spent a lot of time on
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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail after high school. Gabby's mom actually previously
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Speaker 1: told me that, you know, Brian was the one who
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Speaker 1: was more the expert at outdoors and was trying to
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Speaker 1: teach Gabby that sort of stuff. But even with that experience,
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Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve is not a place that people go to,
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Speaker 1: you know, stay for any amount of time. Can I
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Speaker 1: tell you something, Paul Best, I just took the twins
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Speaker 1: to my children to an eco lodge and a swamp,
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Speaker 1: outing to Okefinoki Swamp, which is not that far away
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Speaker 1: from Carlton Reserve. Long story short, when we got in
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Speaker 1: the skiff, we counted forty four zero gators up ahead
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Speaker 1: of us. There is no way I would have put
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Speaker 1: one one finger in that water if I wanted to
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Speaker 1: keep it. So that's what we're talking about. Hey, listen,
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Speaker 1: to this Paul best Our Cut one forty seven. This
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Speaker 1: was yourn Storm's Venice Outdoor Sports Listen. It's a mix
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Speaker 1: of ecosystems. I mean there's some upland hardwood forest, some
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Speaker 1: lowland wetlands that sort of thing. Right now at this
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Speaker 1: time of year, though, with all the rain that we've
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Speaker 1: been having, it's pretty much all a wetland. I mean
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Speaker 1: there's probably waste to chest deep water out there. I
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Speaker 1: was out there in July and I actually had my
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Speaker 1: dog with me and it got up to almost chest
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Speaker 1: deep water. He was behind me having a tough time.
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Speaker 1: So would people go out there? So he's mentioned hiking,
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Speaker 1: would people go out there to kayak? What else do
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Speaker 1: people app out? I mean the Mayaca River runs through
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Speaker 1: the preserve, so yeah, there is kayaking there. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of mountain bike trails as well. It's a really
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Speaker 1: really big reserve, so there's a lot of stuff to
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Speaker 1: do and there are a lot of places that this
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Speaker 1: guy could possibly be What is the reality of somebody
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Speaker 1: actually surviving out there in this park for a week
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Speaker 1: if they know what they're doing, it's easy, you know.
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Speaker 1: Right now, there's plenty of water, there's plenty of fish
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Speaker 1: to eat. You know, if you know your wide wild edibles,
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Speaker 1: you know you'd be fine out there indefinitely if you
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Speaker 1: know what you're doing. So do you. Cheryl McCollum, Director
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. Is he going to pull
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Speaker 1: a Rudolf and Eric Rudolf on us? Absolutely? He is
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Speaker 1: absolutely only going to be caught when he makes a mistake.
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Speaker 1: Think about the parents. His parents are not searching for him.
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Speaker 1: They are not Franni. They're ut in the grass and
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Speaker 1: running errands and drinking coffee. They know where he is
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Speaker 1: and that he is safe. The reason they took that
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Speaker 1: camper and drove with him was not for a camp out.
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Speaker 1: It was to drop him off so that they could
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Speaker 1: stay in that camper and not have a record of
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Speaker 1: hotel rooms, so that we don't know the direction they
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Speaker 1: dropped him off him Clime Stories with Nancy Grace Hey
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Speaker 1: Paul Best in a nutshells as I asked you at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of our program, and I still didn't get
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Speaker 1: an answer because I let us off track. What does
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Speaker 1: the indictment alleged one count go ahead? Yeah, Well, the
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Speaker 1: indictment alleged the laundry committed debit card fraud and that's
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Speaker 1: it that he access someone else's device. It's kind of unclear.
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Speaker 1: We've asked law enforcement if this is specifically for Gabby Petito.
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Speaker 1: I know that's kind of the implication here, but that's
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Speaker 1: debit cards forrawl between August thirtieth and in September one,
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Speaker 1: which is a three day period. And I also note
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Speaker 1: that September one is the day the Laundry arrived back
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Speaker 1: in Newport at his home where their trip initially began.
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Speaker 1: Paul Best, who has been in Northport from the get go,
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Speaker 1: Paul Best, explain what has happened regarding Brian Laundry's parents. Hey,
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Speaker 1: there's been a big discussion about was Laundry ever in
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Speaker 1: the home after September one? Well, now we know that
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Speaker 1: he was the day that Gabby's parents report her missing
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Speaker 1: that day. Wow, that's some timing, huh, Paul Best. The
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Speaker 1: parents cat him up in their new attached camper, which
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Speaker 1: means it kindie dray behind you to their truck. The
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Speaker 1: two adults and Laundry all three leave and the attached
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Speaker 1: camper is one of the little ones. So what all
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Speaker 1: three of them are going to live in the baby
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Speaker 1: camp or what happened, Paul missed. It is a bizarre
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Speaker 1: chain of events. September. Yeah, September eleventh, that weekend, the
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Speaker 1: neighbors who lived directly across the street from the laundries
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Speaker 1: tell us that right around that time, they all packed
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Speaker 1: up into this recently purchased camper and left for a
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Speaker 1: few days. They don't have an exact timeframe for that
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Speaker 1: because they didn't think too much of it at the time.
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Speaker 1: Gabby hadn't even been reported missing officially yet. But then,
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Speaker 1: you know, as things transpired, they thought, wait, that's weird
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Speaker 1: that this family right then would leave and go for
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Speaker 1: a few days on a camping trip. I'll also say
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Speaker 1: that just three days after that, on September fourteenth, a Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: is when Brian's parents have told law enforcement that he
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Speaker 1: left and went to the reserve. That we were just discussing,
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Speaker 1: and that's the last time that he's been seen, according
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Speaker 1: to his parents. Hi, Paul, question question. So they take
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Speaker 1: off the parents and Brian laundry on September eleven, nine eleven,
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Speaker 1: the day the very day Gabby's parents report her missing,
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Speaker 1: not them. Gabby's parents report her missing. They take off
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Speaker 1: with an attached camp for the three of them, the
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Speaker 1: parents come back. Did any neighbor or anybody see Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry come back. No neighbors that I talked to have
22:26
Speaker 1: seen Brian Laundry come back. The story from Brian's parents
22:32
Speaker 1: is that he was back and that he left in
22:34
Speaker 1: that silver Mustang that's been parked in their driveway on
22:37
Speaker 1: September fourteenth, which is a Tuesday, and then they didn't
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Speaker 1: report him missing. This is another kind of bizarre part
22:46
Speaker 1: of the chain of events, and the timeline were building
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Speaker 1: until the next Friday. So three days later the Laundry's
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Speaker 1: called law enforcement and actually reported him missing. Seventy two
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Speaker 1: hours is a long time. Take a listen our cut
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Speaker 1: one forty six. This is Josh Cascio Fox thirteen, number one.
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Speaker 1: That silver mustang, the mustang that was over at the
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Speaker 1: police department that has been returned home. In fact, you
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Speaker 1: can probably see it right there behind me in front
23:14
Speaker 1: of that red Dodge Ram pickup. We also saw the
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Speaker 1: Laundry parents leave their home for a pretty significant amount
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Speaker 1: of time today. In fact, they just returned home about
23:24
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty minutes ago. Reporters shouting questions at them,
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Speaker 1: no response from the family. But when they left initially
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Speaker 1: I will say that was all caught on camera by
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Speaker 1: Fox News cameras. This is right around eight in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Then they returned back shortly after with that silver Mustang again,
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Speaker 1: it was sitting at the Northport Police Department. Remember that's
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Speaker 1: the car that Brian supposedly used to take to the
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Speaker 1: reserve where they've been searching to no avail. Now, after
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Speaker 1: Laundry's mom parked the car, she got back in the
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Speaker 1: pickup and they were seen leaving the neighborhood with what
23:54
Speaker 1: appears to be a law enforcement vehicle leaving the neighborhood
23:58
Speaker 1: not far behind them. We don't know where they were heading. Unclear.
24:01
Speaker 1: We check with police, they wouldn't speculate, So to you
24:06
Speaker 1: sure McCallum, Director Cold Case Research Institute, I certainly hope,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that they did check that steering wheel
24:14
Speaker 1: of that silver Mustang to figure out who really drove
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Speaker 1: it to Carlton Reserve or have the princes been destroyed
24:21
Speaker 1: because the parents then say they say they went and
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Speaker 1: got they went and got the Mustang and brought it
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Speaker 1: back so their prince would be all over the wheel.
24:33
Speaker 1: Now there's two stories. Are you not that he left
24:36
Speaker 1: with a backpack saying he was going to the Carlton Reserve,
24:39
Speaker 1: and that he took the Mustang Nancy anywhere did his
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Speaker 1: parents tell us to look is bogus. They have decided
24:49
Speaker 1: where law enforcement should look by planning that car there,
24:53
Speaker 1: possibly certainly going and getting it and driving it away.
24:56
Speaker 1: They destroyed any evidence it could have been inside that car. Yeah,
25:00
Speaker 1: because the car is already back. The car is already
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Speaker 1: back at the home. There's no reason for them to
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Speaker 1: even spent a lot of time on there. There's there's
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Speaker 1: a reason that Brian's prince would be in there, There's
25:10
Speaker 1: reasons his dad's prince would be in there and his
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Speaker 1: mom's and that's not going to help them. What's going
25:15
Speaker 1: to help them is again looking at the conversations, text
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Speaker 1: messages and calls between those three people. You know, Brian
25:25
Speaker 1: Laundry has got to be using a burner phone or
25:28
Speaker 1: some type. Okay to you, Joe Scott Morgan, I agree
25:34
Speaker 1: with Cheryl. I don't think they're going to get anything useful.
25:36
Speaker 1: I don't think they got anything useful out of the
25:37
Speaker 1: most day. No, I don't think they did either. Into
25:40
Speaker 1: Max's point, I think and I don't know. Tell me Mac,
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Speaker 1: which you think I If that car was significant, you
25:47
Speaker 1: wouldn't see it in the driveway. They wouldn't already have
25:49
Speaker 1: it back. They're going to hang on to this vehicle
25:52
Speaker 1: for break it down. Yeah. From a mama's point of view,
25:57
Speaker 1: your daughter in law future is miss your son says
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go for a hike, and then he
26:04
Speaker 1: doesn't come home. You would be out of your mind, frantic.
26:09
Speaker 1: She's not. You would have your siblings and potentially your
26:13
Speaker 1: parents and best friends at your side. They don't have
26:17
Speaker 1: any of those people. Nothing. They are not out searching
26:22
Speaker 1: for that boy. Let me tell you something. Everybody, everybody
26:26
Speaker 1: with a camera would be in the front living room
26:29
Speaker 1: of that home. They'd all be sitting on the sofa.
26:31
Speaker 1: How many times have I seen this on television? People
26:34
Speaker 1: would be squalling and weeping and carrying on and everything.
26:37
Speaker 1: You're not seeing this. And one more thing about him
26:40
Speaker 1: and tracking him relative to all of this and trying
26:43
Speaker 1: to figure out where he is. This whole thing is
26:45
Speaker 1: going to turn on electronic evidence leading up to this point. Now,
26:50
Speaker 1: I got to throw this out there at Nancy. I
26:52
Speaker 1: don't know if he's using a burner phone. He may
26:55
Speaker 1: be completely in the wind where he is untethered, kind
26:58
Speaker 1: of rudderless. That's just out there. He's ditched everything at
27:02
Speaker 1: this point, and the only way he's going to be
27:04
Speaker 1: able to get by is if someone went out and
27:07
Speaker 1: acquired a pile of cash from him, and again, that's
27:10
Speaker 1: going to be traceable. You know, if they've gone out
27:13
Speaker 1: and withdrawn a bunch of cash and said, here's son,
27:15
Speaker 1: here's the cash, good luck, God bless and let the
27:18
Speaker 1: door hit you in the tail end. Oh. I think
27:19
Speaker 1: that's what they said, because their necks are now on
27:22
Speaker 1: the chopping block to Dell Carson, high profile lawyer right
27:26
Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, and former FBI agent, what do you think happened? Well,
27:30
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious from my perspective, the family's not concerned.
27:34
Speaker 1: And there's a reason that they're not concerned. It's because
27:37
Speaker 1: they know where he is and they know he's safe,
27:41
Speaker 1: and they know he's not in a harm's way. And
27:43
Speaker 1: when we try to track somebody in the wilderness, that
27:47
Speaker 1: scares the dickens out of family members because they're concerned
27:51
Speaker 1: that we will find and get in a firefight with
27:55
Speaker 1: the individual and he'll end up deceased, so they must
27:59
Speaker 1: know where he is and they're just not saying. So, Cheryl,
28:04
Speaker 1: what do you think happened when they took off the
28:06
Speaker 1: three of them with that tiny, little attached camper on
28:10
Speaker 1: the back of a truck. I think they drove him
28:12
Speaker 1: at least twenty four hours away from here. And again
28:15
Speaker 1: they used the camper, so they didn't have a money
28:17
Speaker 1: trail or a paper trail for hotels. They used cash,
28:20
Speaker 1: so they don't know where they bought gasoline or food.
28:24
Speaker 1: And that boy is gone, but he will, just like
28:27
Speaker 1: Eric Robert Rudolph, make a mistake and law enforcement will not.
28:32
Speaker 1: We're talking about Eric Robert Rudolph, who was the Atlanta
28:36
Speaker 1: Olympic bomber. He bombed not only the Atlanta Olympics back
28:41
Speaker 1: in the nineties, but then he rigged a double bomb
28:45
Speaker 1: and an abortion clinic and then across the street. And
28:48
Speaker 1: I'd like to remind you, Cheryl, because you were with
28:52
Speaker 1: me at the time, that some of that shrapnel of
28:55
Speaker 1: the abortion clinic bombing the second one he set up
28:59
Speaker 1: the abortion clinic bomb, waited for all of the law
29:03
Speaker 1: enforcement to get there, and when they were all standing there,
29:06
Speaker 1: a second bomb went off that hit My second and
29:10
Speaker 1: last investigator of ten years, that Shrapnell hit him, Eric Rudolf.
29:18
Speaker 1: Then he went and hid in the on the Appalachian
29:22
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail for what three years I think it was
29:25
Speaker 1: before he was caught digging through a dumpster Climb Stories
29:37
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. That to you, Paul Best, reporter with
29:41
Speaker 1: Fox Niece, What do you make a Cheryl McCollum's assertation. Yeah, Look,
29:46
Speaker 1: I think wherever Brian Laundry is, whether that kind of
29:52
Speaker 1: fault that his parents may have driven him far away,
29:55
Speaker 1: or whether he is in some part of Florida, some swampland,
30:00
Speaker 1: I think law enforcement is going to track them. And
30:02
Speaker 1: if law enforcement doesn't do it, I'll just say social
30:05
Speaker 1: media and the traditional media also here at Fox News,
30:10
Speaker 1: We've gotten a lot of scoops here, and I think
30:14
Speaker 1: someone is going to spot them. It's going to spread
30:16
Speaker 1: like wildfire, and law enforcement's going to be able to
30:19
Speaker 1: track them down from there. I mean, let's just really quickly,
30:23
Speaker 1: a lot of the biggest scoops in this case from
30:27
Speaker 1: late August through September have come from kind of claims
30:31
Speaker 1: on TikTok or Twitter or Reddit that seems kind of
30:35
Speaker 1: innocuous at first, but ended up leading to a big
30:39
Speaker 1: break in the case. I mean, just really quickly own
30:42
Speaker 1: August twenty seventh, after this kerfuffle, this big incident at
30:47
Speaker 1: this Jackson Hole, Wyoming restaurant the way that they found
30:52
Speaker 1: where Brian and gab you Witt next About four and
30:54
Speaker 1: a half hours after that, a YouTube family that just
30:58
Speaker 1: vlogs and kind of tours national parks and puts that
31:02
Speaker 1: on the internet. It was them who said, hey, wait,
31:05
Speaker 1: we saw that white camper van in Grand Teton National
31:09
Speaker 1: Park and law enforcement from there from that tip new
31:13
Speaker 1: to search that area, and that's near where they eventually
31:16
Speaker 1: found Petito's remains. Tragically, So wherever Brian is currently, I
31:22
Speaker 1: am confident that there are people all over the country,
31:25
Speaker 1: all over the world, frankly, who are captivated by this case,
31:29
Speaker 1: invested in it, and he will be spotted eventually, and
31:33
Speaker 1: I think law enforcement will be able to follow up
31:36
Speaker 1: on those tips and bring him into were they gone
31:39
Speaker 1: with a truck and the attached camper how many days three,
31:42
Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly, just because the neighbors across the street
31:47
Speaker 1: who saw it didn't think too much of it at
31:49
Speaker 1: the time, but they tell us a few days. We
31:52
Speaker 1: don't have an exact time pre Split that in half,
31:55
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, i'mould split that in half. He's gone three days.
31:58
Speaker 1: I'd figure out how far you can get in a
32:00
Speaker 1: day and a half. Oh yeah, and a day and
32:02
Speaker 1: a half back and another thing. Get that nav get
32:06
Speaker 1: the cell phone pangs and the truck navigation instrument and
32:12
Speaker 1: figure out where that truck went. Yeah, these digital breadcrumbs
32:15
Speaker 1: all the way around. And I think this is a
32:17
Speaker 1: great idea relative to how far they could get at
32:20
Speaker 1: this point in time. And Lord knows. I mean, there's
32:23
Speaker 1: any number of locations you could go to, and any
32:26
Speaker 1: number of spurs for interstate highways all over Florida. I mean,
32:32
Speaker 1: think about how many of those come together the confluences
32:35
Speaker 1: of it. You can go north south, well you wouldn't
32:38
Speaker 1: necessarily go that far south, but you can go east
32:40
Speaker 1: and west. Certainly, head up north take the ninety five corridor,
32:43
Speaker 1: or head out west on the I ten corridor. Seventy
32:46
Speaker 1: five you're going up toward the Great Lakes. So you've
32:49
Speaker 1: got all of these opportunities to get out there. That
32:51
Speaker 1: the trick is, what kind of conveyance would they have?
32:54
Speaker 1: Gotten him into in order to facilitate that. And one
32:58
Speaker 1: last thing, we can also for get Florida surrounded by water,
33:02
Speaker 1: and is there an opportunity he could have hopped a
33:04
Speaker 1: boat somewhere? Guys, we were talking about the whereabouts. So
33:07
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend of Gabby Petito twenty two,
33:11
Speaker 1: found dead out in Wyoming. So the indictment is one
33:18
Speaker 1: count of debit card fraud up to and over one
33:24
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which makes it a felony that he used
33:29
Speaker 1: between August What was it, Paul Best, between August twenty
33:33
Speaker 1: nine and September one? It was August earth in September one,
33:36
Speaker 1: thank you, August thirtieth, in September one. They're not saying
33:39
Speaker 1: it was Gabby's debit card, but of course it was
33:42
Speaker 1: Gabby's debit card. They also are not telling us. And
33:45
Speaker 1: I wonder why where he used the debit cards? Doctor
33:50
Speaker 1: Angela Arnold? Doesn't that just beat all? He's in her
33:54
Speaker 1: van using her debit card and she's dead. To me,
33:59
Speaker 1: it just goes to show how emboldened he is. I mean,
34:03
Speaker 1: the worst thing he's done is to kill her. Isn't
34:05
Speaker 1: that right? That nothing beats that. Nothing tops him killing her,
34:10
Speaker 1: But all of these other things show to me that
34:14
Speaker 1: he has no conscience. He literally has no conscience. I'll
34:19
Speaker 1: tell you what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the
34:20
Speaker 1: next person he's going to kill that gets in his way.
34:23
Speaker 1: I haven't thought of that yet. Thank you doctor Angie
34:25
Speaker 1: for fitting that in my head. Joe Carson, how can
34:28
Speaker 1: we figure out where the parents took him and that
34:31
Speaker 1: attached camper? Well, you know, the reason we know he
34:34
Speaker 1: was back September one is there's a tag aunomobile tag
34:39
Speaker 1: leader and they're all over the place now ten twenty
34:43
Speaker 1: six for falling into Northport that morning. Yep, that's right,
34:47
Speaker 1: and so that's everywhere you biquit us now when you
34:51
Speaker 1: pass through a toll area. So they'll find out where
34:55
Speaker 1: the direction they went with the camper. And my thought
35:00
Speaker 1: is that he was always living somewhere around the camp
35:04
Speaker 1: or right, so leaving with him in it it just
35:07
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. How else would you do that in
35:10
Speaker 1: order to get your kid out of harm's way. Jackie
35:14
Speaker 1: would like to remind everyone that Brian Laundry has not
35:18
Speaker 1: been charged with murder. She has yet on there what
35:23
Speaker 1: do you think they're waiting on straight out to you,
35:27
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, what would they need for a murder indictment?
35:31
Speaker 1: I think what we're watching is a really good police work.
35:34
Speaker 1: I think the fact that they are going to federal
35:36
Speaker 1: route with him using her debit card gets them into
35:39
Speaker 1: all electronics he would have been using. They're going to
35:42
Speaker 1: piece this thing together the right way because they've got
35:45
Speaker 1: one shot. And Nancy, I just want to point out
35:49
Speaker 1: that he used her debit card, her cell phone possibly
35:53
Speaker 1: and her van to try to get away with killing her. Okay,
35:56
Speaker 1: we know that, say your conclusion is again, I think
36:02
Speaker 1: for potential jars, that's going to be so incredible because
36:07
Speaker 1: that normally doesn't happen. You know, they may steal a
36:11
Speaker 1: car of the victim to get away, but this person
36:15
Speaker 1: has used her money, her you know, then her cell
36:20
Speaker 1: phone to send bogus messages, all all of her things
36:25
Speaker 1: to get away with this crime. Well, and it also
36:27
Speaker 1: tells us most likely that there have been a lot
36:30
Speaker 1: of theories about how the camper got back from Wyoming,
36:33
Speaker 1: but this is going to confirm the use that the
36:36
Speaker 1: use of her debit cards is going to confirm it
36:39
Speaker 1: was Laundry because Paul Best, what they're going to do
36:41
Speaker 1: is figure out where the debit card was used and
36:44
Speaker 1: then go get the surveillance video. Yeah. Absolutely, you know,
36:49
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where they're at now as
36:51
Speaker 1: law enforcement is working backwards and trying to track every
36:54
Speaker 1: single one of Laundry's movements, and from there they can
36:58
Speaker 1: potentially reach other crimes and indictment. So right now, go ahead,
37:04
Speaker 1: jump in. It's important to note that there is no
37:07
Speaker 1: federal murder charge. Yeah, that'll be tried by the state.
37:10
Speaker 1: The state in Wyoming is going to try that on
37:14
Speaker 1: a single account of debit card fraud, You're looking at
37:18
Speaker 1: up to ten years behind bars. Right now, we are
37:23
Speaker 1: waiting as justice unfolds. Where is Brian Laundry. What is
37:30
Speaker 1: the actual cause of death? Twenty two year old Gabby
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Speaker 1: Petito Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend.