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#267 - For Azeroth!: “The War Within” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Blizzard had a lot of news to share with us at BlizzCon 2023.
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  I'm sitting down to give my initial impressions with a very
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  special guest. Let's get into it on this
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  episode of For Azeroth. For calendar to the burning
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  region for Gilnaeus Arcasmaton. For the Lich King, For the
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  Sindorai, For the Alliance. For the whore, for.
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  Azeroth. Hello, and welcome to another
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  episode of For Azeroth. I am your host, Manny, AKA the
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  true villain Manny, and I am joined by a special guest today.
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  Multizord. Hello, Multizord.
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  How has the World of Warcraft been treating you?
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  It's. Been treating me really well.
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  I mean, we've got a new patch like yesterday or something, and
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  you can go into an entirely new dimension that's been hinted at
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  since. Forever.
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  So, like, yeah, things are good, man.
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  How about you? You've you've gotten in on the
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  dream yet. Well, I mean yes, I got in on
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  dream. But like specifically to your
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  comments, like yeah, we got it yesterday.
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  It's like it was supposed to be back on Tuesday.
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  We're recording this on Thursday.
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  But the patch got and the maintenance got delayed so long
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  that you are right, it failed. Like, I only started playing
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  yesterday because it was supposed to be down until like 3
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  PMPST and then they had to extend it and extend it and then
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  after like how many extensions? One hour at a time.
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  It ended up going live at 6:00 PM PST, which is 9:00 my time.
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  And I wasn't going to go stream at that time.
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  I had other things that I needed to handle.
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  So I was like OK well I will play on Wednesday.
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  But yeah, I got a bunch of time in yesterday playing.
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  It had a lot of fun. It's it's kind of the ADHD
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  heaven slash nightmare. Because I was like I'm gonna go
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  do this and work on these quests and then like oh this seed
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  popped up or oh this like emerald frenzy showed up and
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  like just stop here get distracted and turn off go going
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  here. It's it's just being.
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  I love that there's so much to engage me.
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  Yeah. Oh, and I'm totally with you
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  there. If anything, even on the mini
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  map, just flashes at me, I'm like Squirrel, like I'm going
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  for it. So yeah, totally.
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  Yeah. But that's what's keeping us
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  busy right now. But what we're here to talk
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  about today is The War Within, the first of the World Soul Saga
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  trilogy that we're going to be getting over the next 6-7 years,
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  supposed to end by 20-30. I was very surprised that we got
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  not one, not two, but three expansions laid out.
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  But the focus that they had was the next, the next actor, the
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  Woltzel saga. So in different episodes, we've,
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  I've talked about like my initial impressions, like what I
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  think of this Woltzel Saga and the direction Blizzard is going
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  in general. Today we're gonna drill down
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  into like the first offering. So let's start with the basic
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  story that was started with the cinematic.
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  What's your feelings of that cinematic?
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  So interestingly, and I've put a lot of thought on this and it
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  took me several watch throughs of the cinematic to really kind
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  of land on this cuz my first gut reaction I was like OK.
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  It's interesting that it's a smaller character piece as
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  opposed to a big flashy battle, or like a showcase of new
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  features coming in some hidden way like they've done in the
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  past with like the first few cinematics, right?
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  But this one, I don't know. It's it's.
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  After thinking about it enough, I think I've landed on it being
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  my third favorite cinematic in the whole series after.
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  I mean, Wrath of the Lich King seems pretty obvious, right?
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  As maybe the top and then for me, BFA just like the feels of
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  that actual Horde versus Alliance battle.
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  But here, like just the fact that it was a smaller character
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  moment. The graphics were insane.
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  I mean, Sandowind is out of control like you, you do not get
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  more. I don't know, man, I, I if you
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  teach AI how to produce video at that quality, they're not going
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  to need people anymore. It looked so good.
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  But anyway so. So that already kind of blew me
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  away And just the fact that it's, it's just the two of them
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  having the conversation until the end, which, spoiler alert,
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  obviously not that it's really a spoiler, they look to the sword
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  in the distance there. But for me, really the main take
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  away I had from it was actually the moment when Thrall stepped
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  up and like touched the tip of Charlemagne to his chest there
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  and just did the line, like, I trust you, right?
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  Because for me, not only was that I mean just.
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  Really an emotionally charged moment anyway, between those two
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  characters we've been following forever.
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  But I kind of think it was a really moving display of just
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  the growth between the Alliance and Horde.
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  Like, really, Andoin has stepped down and hidden away for several
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  years. But when you think Alliance, you
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  think Andoin, and when you think chord, you think thrall, even
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  with all the war chiefs that we've had come and go, right?
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  And so to see them connect in that way.
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  From a story perspective, I mean, you know Chris Metzen
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  described it as being a small character moment that then kicks
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  off essentially the rest of the world soil saga and and what
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  happens from here, right. But I also and and it'd be
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  interesting to see if you agree with me on this one.
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  But I also got an interesting thought where after watching it
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  a few times it occurred to me that in a way it's almost like
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  the cinematic is Chris Metzen and Blizzard telling us that
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  they're not their past either. You know what I mean?
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  Like. It it felt like, and maybe it's
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  because Thrall is voiced by Chris Benson.
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  I don't know. It felt like Chris was telling
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  me, I trust you trust us. We're going to nail this story.
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  We can forget about some aspects of some of the muddled story up
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  until this point and pursue this path that I've been brought on
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  to to help us with. So I don't, I don't know if you
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  got that vibe as well, but it definitely came across to me.
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  I got a lot of that vibe. I got a lot of meta commentary.
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  It's like that's what I would just the phrase I would use to
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  to to coin what you're saying there is like there's a lot of
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  meta commentary in that cinematic.
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  It was Orc and human, the original 2 races, right.
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  So core of Warcraft being featured in there it was the
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  sword which is like one of the big quote UN quote Macguffins or
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  like loose threads that have been hanging out there that
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  they're pulling back into like surge to go forward.
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  It is a clear focus where they've torn out all of these
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  extra strenuous parts of the the story to focus in on something
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  which is so clear when you look at the background around them,
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  it's nothing but dust. There's no distracting like
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  what's the what's that crazy tower and sort of stuff there's
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  no frantic like this person gets turned into a sheep.
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  This person goes running down the hill.
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  This person does that. It's it was very focused, very
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  tight, very much. These are the core things of
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  Warcraft. This is still Warcraft.
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  And while there is like clearly looking forward to this big
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  spectre in the future of the sword and what that means and
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  everything that's going to come from that ramifications and all,
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  there's also this heartfelt moment, which has been something
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  that World of Warcraft has been doing so much better in recent
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  past, that hasn't been forgotten.
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  Because the tone of the entire thing was very somber, very
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  serious, very, very much. Even though they call it
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  understated, it didn't have the diffused power that some of the
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  the cinematics and some of the story moments have because so we
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  had to throw in like some like troll tripping over himself or
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  some goblin being like tying his money friend.
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  Like none of that was in there at all.
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  It was heart and it was heroism. And that to me was like, they're
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  showing that this is the focus of World of Warcraft.
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  We are still going to have like light and funny moments.
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  They didn't say that that's not going to exist, but that's not
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  going to derail what we're doing.
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  Yeah, I definitely got that vibe as well.
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  So now it was, it was great and the music too complemented it
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  perfectly, as it always does for the cinematics.
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  But that intro where like it's the piano only and you got like
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  should we call them sandowing or mandolin?
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  I don't know. People are using both.
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  It's sitting there, but like it's it's the Stormwind theme,
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  but not all of the notes are there and your brain is just
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  kind of filling it in as it goes.
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  Like that hit me in the fields too, so.
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  No, I I think they're setting the tone quite well for what's
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  coming up. I love that they brought back in
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  Anduin's theme, his refrain, like I had turned away from the
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  computer and I turned back into the cinematic was going.
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  So I didn't know that they had said that it was the Anduin.
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  And so I I saw the figure out there and I'm like, oh, who's
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  that? And they see the face and stuff
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  and then the music and I'm like that's Anduin and you can
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  identify it by the music. It was amazing.
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  And then on subsequent views like, yeah, it's clearly and
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  when sort of stuff. But you're right there is this
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  trust us, we trust you. And when right there, we need
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  trust here, we're going to move forward.
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  And as Josh was saying on the previous episode, Metzen came
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  out and he was saying like, yeah, like there has been
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  fumbles in the past and we're going to move forward and we're
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  going to bring this all together and we're going to charge
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  forward boldly. And that's really, that's really
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  great, especially when they are being more transparent than ever
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  about like what they're trying to do.
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  So that's cinematic. You're right.
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  I more than like breaking down like, oh this look and how the
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  traumas affected and doing and that the meta commentary that
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  comes with that, with that cinematic and what it's focused
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  on and what it, what it lacks very deliberately is a part that
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  I don't think a lot of people have discussed.
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  And I'm really glad that you focused on that.
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  Moving forward though we got Day 2, the deep dive, which had a
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  lot more of what you were talking about before.
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  That's so the trailer that had Elyria fly into Dalaran and and
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  be like, hey, other people are seeing these, seeing these
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  visions, but my visions aren't the same, which was it really
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  felt like a companion piece to the cinematic because they were
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  talking about the visions that they saw.
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  And I was like, yeah, no, I'm not seeing the same stuff you
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  guys are seeing. Trouble is coming.
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  And then that led into all the tent poles that we're going to
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  be seeing in in the War Within. And I think that with
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  dragonflight and continuing into war Within, the tent poles that
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  they're showing are less like, oh, here's some crazy new system
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  that you're going to have to learn over the course of this.
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  And then we're going to change it, and then you're going to
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  have to relearn it 2-3 times and more.
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  Here's something that's going to make the game just so much
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  better for you. And the top one in that that
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  category, I think is war bands. What do you think of war bands?
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  Well, before I really get into war bands, I just kind of echo
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  what you just said, which it is. It feels like because I've been
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  playing all through Dragonfly, loving it.
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  I think it's one of the best expansions ever in terms of just
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  how it feels and the pacing story.
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  Sure, that's what we're going to be working on some more with The
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  War Within maybe. But I kind of I've to go off
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  what you're saying there and piggyback a bit here.
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  I kind of get that vibe that like we're going to continue
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  this cadence maybe even a little bit faster and that what we're
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  getting in the War Within is an extension of what the winds of
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  Dragonflight. And then they're just building
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  on more quality of life stuff as they go.
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  So I expect even more quality of life in World Warcraft Midnight
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  and the Last Titan. And you know what I mean?
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  Like if they can keep up this pace.
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  Giving new fresh seasons of mythic, plus new raids, new
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  zones, new factions to go with from now until the end of the
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  saga and even like a dragonflight esque feeling but
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  with more quality of life over time.
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  I think I'm just gonna stay subbed the whole time and just
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  love it. You know what I mean?
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  So like, so yeah, that definitely.
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  And that's where like you know we've we've had we can get into
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  it a little bit later maybe. But I know there's some
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  criticism about, of course war bands is great, but that
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  overall. The expansion doesn't have, you
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  know like a new class or some of these other features that people
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  would have liked. But we'll get it going.
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  We'll get it on. Let's actually, let's tackle
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  that right now, OK? We'll go through what it has,
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  but let's handle what it doesn't have.
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  So it does not have a new class, but historically you've gotten a
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  new class. In Wrath of the Lich King was
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  the first new class. Before that, we got a new race
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  with Blood Elves and Drain Eye. Then when you went to Cataclysm,
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  there was a new new class there. We got two new races, right?
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  Mr. Pandaria gave the Monk. So it's it's leapfrogging.
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  Yeah, right. Warlords, I don't believe we got
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  any new race or class. I think you're right there too,
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  yeah. And it was before Allied races
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  had really become a thing then to yeah, so Legion kind of gave
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  us both because Legion started with a new class with with the
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  demon hunters and then at the very end they added in allied
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  races, right? But that was more ABFA thing,
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  like hey, here's a bunch of allied races, right?
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  But no new class Shadow lands, no new class, no new race.
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  So why people feel that this needed to give a new class when
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  we just got the new class slash race of the Evoker slash Drac
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  Fear is it seems like nitpicking without really looking at the
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  history and we are getting a new race despite the fact that we
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  got a new race with the drag fear anyway.
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  So I I I would say that this seems fine and I suspect with
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  allied races being what they are, we're also getting new
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  customizations like MAD or previous races like and classes
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  Druids and Dragon flight just got a bunch of new stuff.
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  And I'm really excited to see more of that, even if it means
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  that I don't get to play some new like if they threw in
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  Nurubians. It's like, yeah, people are
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  like, yeah, I want to see Nurubians, I want to play that
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  as an allied race. But I would rather have like
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  every race be every class that much sooner with like their own
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  customizations and all of that. And I'm going to get back to
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  this point as we go on. But what what?
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  What would you say about the no new, no new class comment?
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  And I didn't mean to nitpick either.
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  It's just a reaction I've heard from the community at large.
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  But but I will say too that we're in kind of a new age right
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  now where I think really anything could happen whenever.
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  I mean, I'm an Invoker player and I got a new spec in the
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  middle of. Then expansion, you know what I
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  mean? Like they've they've not
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  announced anything of the sort and you know they've certainly
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  not announced any new support specs.
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  But we know what's on their radar.
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  I I mean it's not impossible that an 11.2 could have one, you
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  know what I mean? Like I can't throw these things
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  out anymore. I've, I've seen it happen now.
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  So no, I I'm totally with you. Like I I would rather things be
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  done when they're ready and good, like even the overhauls of
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  other specs and. Some of the other features that
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  we've seen creep in over time, you know, So yeah, I'm cool with
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  it. I think it's fine.
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  And I mean, I do think that as an Allied race, the Earthen are
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  pretty cool that the fact that they're the Horde can have
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  dwarves now, for instance, right?
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  So yeah yeah I so the earthen I guess because we we started with
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  that we've we've mentioned that let's go into them.
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  They are the new allied race. They are the Titan forged
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  dwarves that same sort of dwarves that you've seen in
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  Uldawar and around the storm is it storm heim?
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  No no storm Heim is legion. It is the storm peaks there we
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  go. But this is like a isolated sect
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  in the new area that we're going to.
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  And so they have, they still follow the Titan decrees, but
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  they are split into like 3 different subcultures that are
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  somewhat estranged from each other.
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  Maria Hamilton, who I have unfortunately said Maria Hill a
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  bunch of times. I apologize Miss Hamilton, but
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  at least now you could say that you're part of SHIELD if people
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  catch on to that. Anyways, Maria Hamilton went
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  through the the entire Allied race and spoke on them in detail
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  in a in a breakdown. It looks really cool.
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  The customizations they have for like all body types and like
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  facial hair and and all of this, they they are just like high res
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  versions of what you've seen before.
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  There's nothing like completely different from previous evidence
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  that we've had. And yeah, you're right, it's the
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  first time we're going to have dwarves on the Horde.
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  Is that going to be a big thing for people who wanted to go
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  horde but really love their dwarves?
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  I don't know. I'd have to like go talk to a
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  couple of people that are like staunch dwarf people that I
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  know. That that is a thing, right?
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  There's there's people who are all about dwarves.
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  I've got a buddy who like as soon as this was announced, he
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  said, Oh, I'm no, I'm. I'm race changing every
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  character I have to this that I can pretty much 'cause like,
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  yeah, there's people that just love the just the the forge and
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  being that just just Stout Warrior, you know what I mean?
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  Like, it's It's a thing for sure, yeah, And it should be
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  easy for people to switch over because they can do every class
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  except for three. The three that they can't do are
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  Druids, the Demon Hunters, and a Volker.
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  A Volker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And I I That makes sense. Totally.
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  Yeah, I think so. Separate druid.
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  I kind of wish they could do Druid.
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  They seem like they're connected to the Earth.
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  And I mean, I don't know. You could, you could make an
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  argument. Yes, it's been Druidism.
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  Yeah. But getting back to the original
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  thing that I had LED with, I had wanted to speak about war bands,
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  which 'cause I think this is a big tent pole for this
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  expansion, but I also think that it is something that would not
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  be a like bullet pond on a box before we reach this new age.
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  So for people who don't know, who haven't been paying
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  attention, war bands are this system or collection of systems
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  that allow you to more easily manage your alts.
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  They are going to have items that you can trade between
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  people in your war band, which are any number of alts.
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  There is going to be a war band bank, which is sort of like a
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  Guild bank for all of your alts. There are going to be specific
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  items that are war bound. So you can trade them over.
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  I don't understand that part though.
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  What's the difference between that and bind to account?
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  Do you know offhand I I? Don't know.
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  I mean, maybe it's. I don't know.
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  That's that's one of my questions.
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  I got a couple others I'll go for for sure.
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  But I mean, it is a way to say, oh, I got a drop.
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  It's not soul bound. It's not BOE.
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  It's something I can give to an ally.
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  But, I mean, you're right. I mean, you could just send
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  yourself. Some boes, right.
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  In theory or I mean specifically if you have a bank tab that you
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  can do, I don't know. I got a lot of questions about
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  how like the bank tab interacts with all these characters and
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  the currencies and everything. Like I I'm excited about it
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  broadly for sure, but there were a lot of questions I still have.
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  Yeah, until we see the momentum. I think the one thing that I
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  think is fantastic about these war bound items is like when
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  they drop from like raid bosses, they are extra loot on the raid
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  boss that like drops at a lower item level than the boss's
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  current difficulty. So if you defeat it on normal,
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  it's not as low as LFR but it's somewhere in between.
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  Which means that you can then send that to an alt and your
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  alt's like hey yeah, sweet new new gear that puts me really
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  able to jump into the raid and not be as far behind.
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  So I think there's some really amazing things I also have, like
• 21:51
  when they get into this. And if I could sit down with a
• 21:53
  developer, I would have loved to sit down with a developer and
• 21:55
  say, hey, how do war bound items interact with profession items?
• 22:00
  Because now profession items used to fill a bit of that gap.
• 22:04
  You're in season in season three.
• 22:07
  Here profession items are lower item level than a lot of the
• 22:11
  raid stuff. Is that gonna mean that there's
• 22:14
  gonna be a shift in profession items?
• 22:16
  I don't know, like that's that's a that's a little nitty gritty
• 22:18
  that I would love to get into. But like what questions do you
• 22:20
  have about like, war bound items?
• 22:23
  Yeah, and on that question, I suspect this is a dial they can
• 22:26
  mess with all they want. And I mean, they're doing it
• 22:27
  between Dragonfly seasons two and three.
• 22:30
  They're they're allowing it to be the top tier gear in one
• 22:33
  season and not the other. And honestly, I feel like
• 22:35
  they're already testing. How crafted items are going to
• 22:39
  interact with some of these other war bound items and that
• 22:41
  sort of thing Now I think it's super cool.
• 22:42
  I think it's, I think this whole thing really all these pieces
• 22:45
  we're talking about are built on the giant win that is the item
• 22:50
  upgrading system. The fact that, yes, I can get
• 22:54
  something that's a little bit lower than the Heroic rate, I
• 22:56
  just did something between Normal and Heroic, but then send
• 22:59
  it to an alt that can then upgrade it to be on par with
• 23:02
  Heroic is such a big win too, You know what I mean?
• 23:05
  So, no, I I think it'll be interesting to see how all these
• 23:09
  pieces that are play in practice and we won't really know until
• 23:12
  you know at least the alpha, maybe when they're starting to
• 23:15
  put some of this in front of us, I suppose.
• 23:17
  But but no, I I I think as long as it's clear what is needed to
• 23:22
  upgrade your piece, what are the item level thresholds of all
• 23:25
  these things, maybe there's a break point to where like a
• 23:27
  crafted piece, I don't know. It's all complicated for sure.
• 23:34
  But overall that I I like that feature about it.
• 23:37
  I also really love the fact that you can get all of your I think
• 23:41
  it's up to five characters, if they're not mistaken in that
• 23:44
  campfire view when you load up your account for the first time
• 23:47
  and can like load in different characters from different
• 23:49
  servers, that's a pretty cool feature of war bands too.
• 23:52
  Just to I I'm already like thinking through what are the
• 23:56
  classes I'm going to have as my 5.
• 23:58
  This is really important to me and do I keep them all at Max
• 24:00
  level and work on all of them? I'm going to be tempted to.
• 24:03
  Because they're all on the same screen, right?
• 24:06
  If the cadence stays anywhere near what is being in Dragonfly,
• 24:09
  yes, I will have multiple alts that are at cap.
• 24:12
  I I have famously or infamously, whichever way the wind blows,
• 24:20
  Being somebody who has been a one trick pony, I am the shaman
• 24:24
  guy. I play my shaman to no end.
• 24:28
  But in this expansion I have levelled every class, save one
• 24:35
  up to at least level 60 and I have 7 alts at level 70.
• 24:40
  So that is like way beyond anything I've done.
• 24:45
  And they said when they were announcing this that the average
• 24:49
  player has two to three alts. This is that's just the standard
• 24:54
  of the way people play the game. And I'm sure some of it is
• 25:00
  because of the way things have sort of you've gotten benefits
• 25:05
  to having alts like second attempts at like lockouts like
• 25:10
  especially if you're doing something like the holiday
• 25:12
  bosses that that you can make one attempt per day.
• 25:17
  People have been people have pushed for alts or it could be
• 25:21
  that like, yeah, you've played it one way.
• 25:23
  You wanna see what it's like on the other side of the fence,
• 25:27
  proverbial fence of classes and stuff.
• 25:29
  And so you you roll that new drag theory because hey, this is
• 25:34
  drag theory and it starts really close to the cap so that you can
• 25:40
  play that drag theory or they make Augment Evoker so crazy
• 25:43
  that everybody's like, OK, let me see what this is about.
• 25:47
  So people have had those alts. They will find them fun and
• 25:51
  they'll stick stick with them to some level even when they aren't
• 25:55
  the flavor of the month. But it means that that people
• 25:58
  are playing multiple classes and running through this material a
• 26:02
  bunch. And that is like a big reason to
• 26:07
  have this, this war band, this more alt friendly system, sort
• 26:10
  of like baked in at a more core level so that people can enjoy
• 26:15
  that. Because there's one thing that I
• 26:18
  hate about an alt. It is when I'm trying to do
• 26:22
  something. But Oh my goodness, there's all
• 26:24
  these prerequisites that I have to do.
• 26:26
  Oh yeah, for every single alt before they can actually do what
• 26:30
  I actually wanted them to do. And and things you've done 2/3
• 26:34
  times already. Yep, absolutely.
• 26:37
  On the on the flip side of all this though, another big win I
• 26:40
  think for the system is going to be.
• 26:42
  So there was an interview pretty recently with Mr. GM.
• 26:46
  Details in the video I think is out now.
• 26:49
  And of course there's a wild haired article on it as well.
• 26:51
  But in there they'd stated that they're also looking to make
• 26:54
  sure that this system isn't something that you can exploit
• 26:57
  and gamify because like the flip side of this whole thing would
• 26:59
  be great. I got cross progresses against
• 27:02
  cross all my characters, but could I do 20 of them and thus
• 27:06
  progress through things so much faster by repeating certain bits
• 27:09
  of content or? Kind of exploiting the system in
• 27:12
  some way, it seems like. I mean, I still think that could
• 27:15
  be a danger to some degree where you feel like compelled to play
• 27:18
  your X amount of characters. But if Blizzard is already
• 27:22
  thinking about that and already finding ways to rein that in, I
• 27:25
  think my hope is that they keep this philosophy of we're making
• 27:31
  these alts because we want to have alts, not because we want
• 27:33
  to build power for our main or XYZ, other things that could be
• 27:39
  used to exploit it. You know what I mean?
• 27:41
  Yeah, yeah, there there is, there is a lot of that worry and
• 27:47
  like obviously they're going to hit the big ones.
• 27:48
  But I also think that there there's there's some problems
• 27:53
  right now the of like the way people can exploit the the game
• 27:58
  before they did region wide auction house people would shift
• 28:03
  things over to different servers like pets right that so a pet
• 28:07
  was cheap on this auction house. You'd take it off that auction
• 28:10
  house and sell it on the auction house where it was like
• 28:12
  extremely expensive and that was a a a big way to like abuse your
• 28:16
  alts because they're that limited interconnectivity in
• 28:19
  their in what they could do. There's a fact that people run
• 28:23
  the same world quest over and over again to get like, let's
• 28:26
  say I run it once, but they run it five times.
• 28:29
  Well, now they've generated five times the gold, so they have to
• 28:31
  be careful about, like, how much gold they put in those
• 28:34
  repeatable things. People will complain to death
• 28:40
  about the new bonus that you get for a specific holiday mounts.
• 28:44
  That is, hey, the first time you make an attempt on your account,
• 28:47
  you get this big bonus to it and they're like, no, you should
• 28:49
  just make it a flat thing. But then that becomes gamified
• 28:53
  by people who have the 50 or 60 alts to like, then get the best
• 28:57
  chance. So there's a lot of different
• 28:59
  ways that it can be abused that some people are like, yeah,
• 29:04
  don't don't say anything. And so I can so I can get this
• 29:06
  bonus. I know that we've got how many
• 29:11
  things that are like, oh, I use this currency so I can get this,
• 29:15
  this bonus. And if you can farm that
• 29:17
  currency five times as fast with five volts, yeah, they're going
• 29:21
  to have to break that. So you are right, it is
• 29:23
  something they're going to be have to be careful about how and
• 29:26
  when they implement it. One of my questions is, and I've
• 29:30
  been trying to dig around some of these interviews and the
• 29:32
  recaps to find out if there's anything clear on it.
• 29:34
  But we know there's going to be a shared bank tab.
• 29:36
  And the cool thing is that you can also put off your Ray agents
• 29:40
  from your various characters in one place and then craft from
• 29:42
  it. That's sweet.
• 29:43
  That's cool. My question is gold.
• 29:47
  Are they going so this even as it was presented to us, they
• 29:49
  were discussing the fact that this is partly so that you don't
• 29:52
  have to just mail as much stuff between characters or like
• 29:54
  across servers. Cross server gold handing off is
• 29:59
  a thing right now. You have to actually pass it to
• 30:02
  somebody. I don't know if you've ever
• 30:03
  tried that many. Have you had to do any gold
• 30:06
  money laundering across the various servers?
• 30:08
  So far you have to like hand it to probably half a dozen time in
• 30:12
  the last three months. Isn't it weird?
• 30:14
  Like you have to you have to find someone you trust and then
• 30:16
  you have to be like, hey man, just make sure you give me all
• 30:19
  of it back. Or or take this amount for a tip
• 30:21
  Like, I don't know, like I don't.
• 30:23
  I want to not do that anymore. Like I would love it if gold was
• 30:26
  all in that bank tab as well, but then it opens up the exact
• 30:29
  problems you were talking about of OK, I've got this one giant
• 30:33
  pile of gold. I'm buying and selling different
• 30:37
  things on different servers to maximize my profit.
• 30:39
  I'm doing all this crazy stuff like.
• 30:41
  I don't know. Do you?
• 30:43
  I guess he'll back up and say had you seen any clarification
• 30:45
  on Gold specifically anywhere, They did say that currencies are
• 30:50
  something that they're looking at where it makes sense.
• 30:52
  Ian Hazakosis had said that in an interview.
• 30:54
  And I unfortunately I won't be able to tell you which one
• 30:57
  specifically it was. But I think the knock on effect
• 31:00
  from this is that the auction house is going to have to go
• 31:04
  region wide. It like it just just to break
• 31:07
  that that thing like the big the reason that I've done it
• 31:11
  multiple times is that I've seen a professional pattern that on
• 31:16
  my server is going for like 450 K but on another server it's
• 31:19
  going for 210K and it's like yeah I'm going to go over to my
• 31:24
  friend who is on a different server be like hey this is super
• 31:29
  cheap let can I give you the gold and you buy that and then
• 31:32
  the item can be traded cross server.
• 31:35
  So why are why are they creating this this issue where you could
• 31:40
  then have to resolve a ticket of somebody stealing my gold and
• 31:43
  even though I had given it to them it just because they've
• 31:46
  already got to this point. I think that they have to go to
• 31:50
  the next level which is just all right cross cross server
• 31:53
  auctionouts. Something that I'm going to hate
• 31:55
  because I love the ability to have some power on a market and
• 32:02
  we so many sellers and so many buyers.
• 32:05
  Nobody has any power. Margins are going to be
• 32:06
  incredibly small like they have been for a lot of previously
• 32:10
  profitable commodities like poor alchemists.
• 32:15
  Ouch. And so yeah war bands is going
• 32:19
  to have an effect on the economy.
• 32:21
  Another thing that's going to have an effect on the economy.
• 32:23
  Again, we're going to get to you in a little bit, but that's
• 32:25
  going to be the three day advance access.
• 32:31
  And then the second thing that I shifted money around for was for
• 32:37
  mounts. There were a couple of mounts
• 32:39
  that were up on the auction house and it's like oh,
• 32:42
  somebody's selling it for like 75 K on that server and 300K on
• 32:47
  my server. And so I like reached out to a a
• 32:51
  friend and I'm like, hey, can you can I buy that off of your
• 32:54
  server? I'll give you the gold and my my
• 32:57
  friend said, well shoot, I didn't realize that it was on my
• 33:00
  server for so cheap. I'm going to buy one myself.
• 33:03
  So yeah, this, this, this just it already happens.
• 33:07
  Now people were already shifting the money like they might have
• 33:10
  multiple accounts. Some people have multiple
• 33:12
  accounts and they shift the money.
• 33:13
  Some people will, like I said, they will buy a pet that is
• 33:19
  cheap on one server, sell it on a different server and then use
• 33:24
  that to transfer the money. So there's been there's already
• 33:26
  so many different workarounds for it.
• 33:29
  So strict transfer of gold between your alts that are on
• 33:33
  different servers should already happen.
• 33:35
  Because at the end of the week, like every Wednesday I go to all
• 33:40
  my alts. I leave them with like a little
• 33:43
  over 5K, but not but not over 6K, right?
• 33:48
  And put that all on my main and that's.
• 33:51
  I do that every week. So what's the difference between
• 33:53
  that and cross server? Just because of this weird
• 33:56
  restriction in my opinion. Yep, totally with you there.
• 34:00
  So we'll see what they do, but that's definitely a factor that
• 34:03
  I don't think fully got addressed so far.
• 34:05
  So because it opens up complex server economy questions like
• 34:10
  these, You know what I mean? So yeah and like unintuitive
• 34:13
  ways like the fact that people will do that stuff in like these
• 34:17
  very unintuitive ways to make gold shouldn't be the the way to
• 34:22
  go about it in the like shouldn't be the best way to go
• 34:25
  about it at all. Because then that just it's it
• 34:29
  feels wrong it feels like people are like again gamifying that
• 34:34
  system and that is that is the I'm glad that right on the week
• 34:39
  they're like yeah we're we're watching how this can be
• 34:41
  gamified. We're going to, we're going to
• 34:43
  make sure that it's not there going to the next system.
• 34:49
  Actually I've I've been picking a lot the two.
• 34:52
  Which one would you like to talk about next?
• 34:55
  Oh, well, I mean, I threw you off your game at the beginning
• 34:57
  there by going out of order on a few of those things.
• 34:59
  So I feel like I've chosen a couple topics.
• 35:01
  Now let's delves. You want to delve into delves?
• 35:05
  Let's delve into delves. OK.
• 35:07
  Sounds good, Sounds good. So I think when it comes to
• 35:10
  delves just as a. Brief introduction for folks.
• 35:13
  This is a new Evergreen system that's going to go into the game
• 35:16
  as of the War Within. Essentially it is a it's an
• 35:20
  outdoor they, they call it basically like the pinnacle of
• 35:23
  outdoor play in that it is an outdoor area that you go to non
• 35:27
  instance, you step in with either yourself or up to five
• 35:30
  other players as a party. All of which is role agnostic.
• 35:34
  So it doesn't matter if you take a tank, a healer, whatever, You
• 35:36
  can take three DPS, 5 DPS. Two and a healer.
• 35:40
  You know whatever combo you want to do.
• 35:42
  Very similar to other systems that we've seen in the past like
• 35:45
  torgas and such, right? And then you progress through
• 35:49
  what seemed like to be pretty quick. 15 minute, Is that what
• 35:52
  they said? Walkthroughs.
• 35:55
  Mini dungeons where you're fighting things like Cobols and
• 35:58
  trying to steal the candle to be able to see enough light.
• 36:01
  There were a few examples that were presented for sure.
• 36:04
  All of it seemed interesting and like short enough to be bite
• 36:07
  sized. But then the interesting part
• 36:10
  for this, of course, is that this also builds out.
• 36:12
  They're replacing the PvP row from the Great Vault with this
• 36:17
  row instead, like kind of an outdoor row.
• 36:19
  That would be a way to get even more value out of your Great
• 36:22
  Vault. That they claim is going to at
• 36:24
  least initially, scale all the way up to Heroic rating level
• 36:27
  loot in that thing. So I got a lot of thoughts on
• 36:30
  that one for sure, but when it comes to the system in general,
• 36:34
  I'm I'm always a fan of having new stuff.
• 36:36
  I love the philosophy that this is a side thing and they vary.
• 36:40
  I loved how Ian even pointed out in his deep dive that this is
• 36:43
  not Torregas in the sense that we are not going to make you do
• 36:46
  this with the kind of built in caveat to his comments there.
• 36:50
  That they do regret Torregas to a a degree there as it was
• 36:55
  called, of course. But yeah, no, I I think it's
• 36:59
  cool. I love that I could just jump
• 37:00
  into them. I frankly, I love that I can do
• 37:02
  it by myself if I want to. I don't have to queue, I don't
• 37:06
  have to do whatever. I could just just throw down.
• 37:09
  I got some concerns about the Great Vault maybe, but that's
• 37:12
  kind of where I'm at on just it as a system.
• 37:14
  What are your thoughts kind of going into it?
• 37:17
  I am excited by the potential of this system, but I think that
• 37:22
  based on what they're saying and the stuff that they've compared
• 37:26
  it to, I would liken this to like mega scenarios.
• 37:31
  Like you remember the scenarios back in Mr., Pandaria?
• 37:34
  Those were role agnostic. They were typically for three
• 37:37
  players, but they weren't. They never got too difficult.
• 37:42
  I'm hoping that the difficulty ramps up.
• 37:45
  Like I loved pushing to like get that like 15 done on Toro gas.
• 37:51
  I didn't like pushing to get it done every week right.
• 37:55
  Like the fact that it became a mandatory thing was annoying.
• 37:59
  I loved the visions of Nazov and doing like the the like all the
• 38:03
  masked visions of Nazov. So they've shown that they can
• 38:09
  do this compelling, scalable content in previous patches,
• 38:15
  right? And delves just seems like the
• 38:17
  OK, we're doing this as a system so that we so that everybody can
• 38:22
  do this. It's not something we'll have to
• 38:23
  reinvent the wheel every single tier.
• 38:26
  And I like that a lot. The fact that you have the buddy
• 38:33
  in the first season, it's going to be Bran with a skill tree
• 38:37
  that you can build up, I think is great as well because that
• 38:42
  allows them to put in some things that are difficult.
• 38:46
  And if a class can't handle that, they can customize Bran to
• 38:52
  handle it for them. Oh, these guys hit hard and I'm
• 38:55
  squishy. OK, Bran, you're now a tank,
• 38:57
  right? Oh, I need to do way more
• 38:59
  damage, even though I can like, take all the damage.
• 39:02
  OK, Bran, bring the pain. And I think that allows them to,
• 39:07
  like, scale it to a better level than if you were in there alone
• 39:12
  by yourself and and they had to be like, well, it can't hit too
• 39:15
  hard because poor mages or it can't do too.
• 39:19
  They can't have too much of A health pool because we need this
• 39:21
  to finish in 15 minutes and this this class can't do any damage,
• 39:26
  right? Like, it allows them to to do
• 39:30
  more, and I'm really happy for that.
• 39:32
  I really am look, 'cause I want this to.
• 39:34
  I want this to have some teeth to it.
• 39:38
  But at the same time, them limiting it to heroic level
• 39:42
  rewards in my mind also means that they know they can't make
• 39:47
  it or they don't wish to make it too difficult.
• 39:51
  This isn't something that is ever going to fully compete with
• 39:55
  doing a + 22 or plus 20 I guess is with the cap of rewards and
• 40:00
  Mythic Plus or a or killing the last boss on on the Mythic Raid.
• 40:07
  So I think that sort of puts in my mind a level of difficulty
• 40:13
  that I can expect from it and. I'm OK with that.
• 40:17
  I kind like, I'm hoping that they have some sort of like Bran
• 40:21
  stay home. I'm going to I'm going to try
• 40:23
  this myself as like extra difficulty, extra bragging
• 40:26
  rights that they could maybe throw in at the end of the
• 40:29
  season with like, OK, our our eleven point 1.7 patches going
• 40:35
  live. You can now tell Bran to sit out
• 40:38
  and get like these cools cosmetics and I think that would
• 40:41
  be the extra little thing that I would like in into this.
• 40:46
  But that's all speculation because we have not seen any of
• 40:50
  gameplay of this. There's only been loose sort of
• 40:56
  sort of examples of like, hey, you can bounce around these
• 40:59
  mushrooms and try and avoid enemies or there is this light
• 41:02
  that like you can turn on or off.
• 41:04
  And I remember the BFA scenario where you were underwater and if
• 41:09
  you had that light on too long, the Big Serpent would come and
• 41:12
  just devour you. And it could be like that,
• 41:15
  except that like the serpent is always closing in on you, so you
• 41:18
  have to keep that light off as much as possible.
• 41:22
  Yeah. To that point, I genuinely hope
• 41:23
  that the puzzle aspect of this is part of the challenge and
• 41:26
  that it changes up enough to where you're worrying about
• 41:29
  those types of things and not just how much damage is standing
• 41:33
  in this fire going to do to me and that sort of thing.
• 41:35
  So yeah, they and they've said there's going to be some puzzle
• 41:38
  elements to it as well. Again, my hope there is that we
• 41:41
  don't solve the puzzle once and then just know how to do it for
• 41:44
  the rest of time. But but yeah, could be cool,
• 41:48
  yeah. As far as the scaling and tuning
• 41:50
  goes, I mean, if they're gonna give us Heroic grade rewards, I
• 41:53
  think it should at least feel like a Heroic grade in the sense
• 41:56
  that if you do step into that fire, you die as opposed to go
• 42:00
  to like half health or something, right?
• 42:03
  I wonder I could maybe see them. As a mythic plus player, my
• 42:07
  gut's telling me they might tune it to be like a + 16, you know
• 42:10
  what I mean? Like right on that cusp where
• 42:13
  all right, things are starting to get pretty serious.
• 42:15
  You have to really think about how you're approaching this,
• 42:18
  maybe even in terms of from a routing perspective, But it's
• 42:22
  not like every mechanic's gonna one shot you either, You know
• 42:25
  what I mean? So well, it's got a scale.
• 42:28
  Like, there's no way you start it at a 16, like, it's gonna
• 42:31
  start at like relatively approachable, normal dungeon
• 42:37
  level. Less than 0?
• 42:38
  Yeah, for sure. So no, I'm just saying the top
• 42:40
  end might feel like a 16 potentially.
• 42:42
  Did they say how you how they were gonna scale it?
• 42:45
  I don't think so, but it has to be done right 'cause, I mean,
• 42:49
  you wouldn't. You wouldn't complete normal
• 42:51
  dungeon level content and then get a heroic piece in your
• 42:55
  vault, so clearly it does. We just don't know how.
• 42:58
  Yeah. And especially since you're
• 42:59
  gonna have this tree to work through, right?
• 43:02
  There's no way they can expect you to to like be like most
• 43:07
  players to be able to complete the equivalent to a 16.
• 43:11
  If we're going to say that that's where we think the cap is
• 43:14
  on day one when your brand has like 0 points in it.
• 43:18
  So like, I don't know what the mechanic is to do it.
• 43:22
  I do love that there's so many of them, 12 different ones,
• 43:27
  three per zone, with four zones coming at launch because we
• 43:30
  hadn't actually said that. And all these different
• 43:35
  environments means that they are going to have a bunch of
• 43:38
  different tile sets. But the if you go back to one of
• 43:43
  those, it's not going to be the same every time.
• 43:45
  This is not like a Mythic Plus dungeon where it's the same
• 43:48
  dungeon with different affixes. The goals of the dungeon and
• 43:53
  where you go in that delve is going to change.
• 43:57
  Yep. And the other cool thing is
• 43:59
  having 12, you get flexibility on if one of them is just
• 44:02
  broken, like all the players have found an exploit that you
• 44:05
  can drop to the second level by going to this rock.
• 44:08
  They could take it down, fix it up, put it back up, you know
• 44:11
  what I mean? Like that's.
• 44:12
  I think that's gonna add them some flexibility too,
• 44:14
  potentially, yeah. Yeah, as long as they catch it
• 44:17
  fast enough. Because that's what's what I was
• 44:18
  gonna say. Like there could be.
• 44:20
  The thing about Mythic Plus is that you know, you'll get those
• 44:24
  weeks with the the absolute best affixes and my goodness, this is
• 44:28
  super push week. And then you'll get those
• 44:30
  affixes where it's like, oh, brick key, dead key, dead key.
• 44:33
  And if that happens in this scenario, there's so many to
• 44:37
  choose from that at least you're not stuck for the week.
• 44:39
  But we don't know how the reward system currently works, and they
• 44:44
  are. They seem to be generated at a
• 44:47
  fairly fast clip, so like that push window or that brick window
• 44:52
  isn't going to last last long enough to, I think, really
• 44:55
  affect your season at overall. Yeah, I definitely don't want to
• 45:00
  feel compelled to do the easiest one every time either.
• 45:04
  In like a however, they rotate these in and out.
• 45:06
  So we'll just kind of see how this feels for sure, Yeah, yeah.
• 45:11
  So you had a question about the rewards going into the vault.
• 45:17
  What what's your concern there? I think for me it's just I if I
• 45:23
  have a main focus in the game, it's Mythic plus followed by
• 45:25
  rating. I mean, I've just fairly
• 45:26
  recently actually joined a rating team for the first time
• 45:29
  in years, but what I don't want is to feel Uber compelled to do
• 45:35
  this every week and at the Heroic rate level I might cause.
• 45:39
  Like if I'm rating Heroic and I'm doing sixteens to 20s or
• 45:43
  something like that, right? There could be legit pieces that
• 45:46
  are coming up in old ray bots is one of my best pieces to throw
• 45:50
  in that slot, right? And so am I gonna feel like I
• 45:54
  have to do this specifically on multiple tunes in a way to hey,
• 45:59
  I don't know, maybe it's just a personal gripe, but I'm kind of
• 46:02
  worried that I'm gonna not love the play of the system as much
• 46:06
  once I really get into it and feel compelled to do it anyway.
• 46:09
  Does that make sense? No.
• 46:11
  Yeah, it's that same issue with Mythic Plus where people who
• 46:17
  raid, they're like, yeah, I can just raid and we'll progress at
• 46:21
  the level we progress. But if I can get those possible
• 46:24
  upgrades that exist in this other system, whether it's the
• 46:27
  Delve, whether it's the the Mythic Plus, you have that
• 46:31
  pressure on you to to get it done so that you're not holding
• 46:34
  your team back, quote, UN quote, there is that worry.
• 46:39
  But I really think that the progression of this is likely
• 46:45
  going to be slower just because I think that that tree, that
• 46:50
  bran, that partner tree is going to be very limiting.
• 46:56
  I think that the fact that I'm, I'm wondering if it's gonna be
• 47:04
  like Targast where it's like you can opt to go into to like level
• 47:10
  4 or level level 16 and those will unlock slowly over the
• 47:15
  course of the season so that when people are clearing through
• 47:19
  Heroic that the equivalent isn't really there in terms of gear.
• 47:28
  Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's all speculation.
• 47:31
  I could see. Also, people being like, oh that
• 47:33
  sucks that I can't get my gear as fast as the people in Mythic
• 47:37
  Plus or as fast as the people PvP ING, but there's always that
• 47:39
  concern, so it's it's a very weird balancing act that they
• 47:42
  have to strike. Yeah, the flip side of all this
• 47:45
  too is the thought that our our players like us going to get all
• 47:48
  of our gear from Mythic Plus and rating and then not have
• 47:50
  anything really valuable out of the delve system until we scale
• 47:53
  it up. And by the time it's scaled up,
• 47:55
  hey, I'm already at I've got a couple crafted pieces that are
• 47:58
  about the mythic level, right? So I don't know, I I'm excited
• 48:01
  for this system overall. I do not mean to poo poo on it
• 48:03
  too much, but. There's some of these little
• 48:06
  things that I think we'll uncover over time for sure.
• 48:09
  I have a idea when I saw these delves that I think is
• 48:14
  controversial because people hated this when they did this.
• 48:18
  In Legion. There were certain patterns that
• 48:21
  you that you needed to go into a dungeon to get.
• 48:25
  People did not like their professional progression being
• 48:28
  tied behind a dungeon. Would they have the same issue
• 48:33
  if it was something you found in a delve?
• 48:36
  I don't know, because you can do a delve by yourself.
• 48:38
  It's like, right? So I'm hoping that delves kind
• 48:43
  of do that. I'd love for people to like get
• 48:47
  particular crafting items, oh sorry, like reagents out of a
• 48:51
  delve or patterns out of a delve.
• 48:54
  Because even if they don't scale as quickly to give you the
• 48:59
  direct item level as the raids and the Mythic Plus or the PvP.
• 49:06
  That unique, that unique reward from there, which isn't entirely
• 49:12
  unique because I've seen patterns all the time.
• 49:14
  Dropping raids, that's not that's not something that they
• 49:18
  haven't been doing, even dragonflight.
• 49:21
  But if they shift that more to delves, I think that would be
• 49:23
  cool. I'd love to go through like it
• 49:25
  is 100% on theme for Bran to be like, oh, a champion.
• 49:30
  Let's go into this, this dark cave and oh, you've uncovered
• 49:34
  the lost crafting skill of da da da da da, and that's what you
• 49:37
  do. It's it's right on point.
• 49:39
  So I hope that they, they thought of it 10 years before.
• 49:42
  I have 'cause you know that they already have this plan planned
• 49:45
  out. They just haven't had something
• 49:46
  to show us yet. Yeah, the other way to make me
• 49:50
  play it would be gold. Give me some gold at the end.
• 49:52
  I do the easiest dragon races on a bunch of alts because I just
• 49:56
  get gold at the end. So even if I was geared out like
• 49:59
  crazy, make sure that chest has gold in it.
• 50:02
  I'll give it a shot for sure. Very good.
• 50:05
  I I honestly need to actually start doing dragon races.
• 50:08
  I haven't done a single dragon race all expansion.
• 50:11
  Oh really? Oh man, yeah.
• 50:13
  It's just, it's just it was one of those things where I was
• 50:15
  like, I'm concentrating on this and this and this, and then it
• 50:18
  became a thing and I'm like, I think I could meet and like this
• 50:21
  might actually just hold all the way through Dragon flight.
• 50:24
  Just to say, like, yeah, when Blizzard said you could skip
• 50:27
  things here, I've skipped the one of the big tent poles of the
• 50:31
  entire expansion and it did not hold me back whatsoever.
• 50:34
  I did not Dragon Race at all. But that's just my weird.
• 50:37
  My weird prove it to myself thing that I'm trying to do.
• 50:40
  It it's an experiment, I get it. So is there anything else that
• 50:45
  you wanted to speak about on the delves?
• 50:48
  Not that I can think of off the top of my head, just that I'm
• 50:51
  broadly excited for it. I I I guess the only other thing
• 50:54
  about incorporating brand is that if you're sitting down with
• 50:57
  a group of people, you could have him fill a role that you
• 50:59
  don't have, which seems like a fun like planning with your
• 51:02
  friends aspect to it too. So no, I'll give it a shot for
• 51:08
  sure. That is a question because this
• 51:09
  scales. Do you each have your own brand
• 51:13
  that's like and like you know how they do that?
• 51:15
  Where it's like yours is brand, but everybody else's looks to
• 51:18
  you to be like nameless dwarven explorer.
• 51:22
  Or just the highest brand go in and it's just one guy I guess I
• 51:26
  don't know who chooses those talents.
• 51:27
  I I would, I would honestly think that it's going to be
• 51:29
  everybody gets their own brand and they're just as you scale,
• 51:32
  they they scale knowing that everybody's getting their own
• 51:34
  brand. So it's 10 people going into
• 51:37
  this tiny little cobalt cave. I don't know.
• 51:39
  That doesn't feel right to me. You could be right.
• 51:41
  It's a it's five people and five NPCS that are obviously gonna
• 51:45
  butt pull. Yeah, there's there's no
• 51:48
  question Bran's gonna have his own.
• 51:50
  If I if I know anything about how Bran behaves in Hearthstone,
• 51:53
  he's gonna misbehave here too. Make no mistake.
• 51:56
  Or they just balance Bran so that all his abilities.
• 51:59
  Yeah. But again like it like it's it's
• 52:02
  a question. This is a question that I would
• 52:03
  love to have answered. How does Bran actually like
• 52:06
  talents actually work and how does he function as it scales,
• 52:10
  right. OK, moving on from that.
• 52:14
  And I kind of touched on this before, but I want to this is
• 52:18
  something that they haven't talked about and I think it's
• 52:20
  something that they really need to talk about sooner than later.
• 52:24
  They haven't talked about professions.
• 52:26
  That was a big rework that happened in dragon flight.
• 52:30
  Some of it has been amazing, some of it has been very
• 52:34
  contentious. In your opinion for professions
• 52:37
  in dragon flight, what would you say?
• 52:39
  Are they overall good? Overall bad?
• 52:42
  Like definitely bad? Definitely good.
• 52:44
  What's your opinion on current professions?
• 52:46
  I think it's overall good if you're a crafter of wearable
• 52:50
  items is my opinion. I am an alchemist on my main and
• 52:55
  I really haven't. Just invested in it much because
• 52:57
  for the most part, sure I could get the mats and put together my
• 53:02
  you know files and build my healing potions which I do to
• 53:05
  some degree, but I'm not going out of my way to sell them on
• 53:09
  the auction house because I don't go for that much and would
• 53:11
  go for even less. You're right if we have a cross
• 53:15
  auction house across all servers.
• 53:17
  But you know, I I I've felt a little bit under under rewarded
• 53:22
  for that, even with the fact that yes, you could have made
• 53:24
  the. That trinket, season one, got
• 53:26
  kind of popular for a little while.
• 53:27
  That was an alchemist only thing.
• 53:29
  But even then I could just have another alchemist crafted for
• 53:31
  me, right? Like, I don't know so.
• 53:34
  But I think that if you are someone who creates items and
• 53:37
  specifically at the beginning of the expansion specialize in one
• 53:40
  thing. You know, like if you were the
• 53:42
  guy that was making Elemental Lariats season one of Dragon of
• 53:45
  Dragonfly and that was your thing and you could make the top
• 53:48
  tier one, you were doing OK for a while.
• 53:52
  And so that kind of stuff I think is cool because it it
• 53:55
  brings the community together a little bit more.
• 53:56
  You actually have to find someone who can do the thing.
• 53:59
  There's some weird hinky things that I don't love about, like
• 54:03
  crafting chances and hey, I'm going to pay this guy this
• 54:06
  thing, but I'm not 100% sure I'm getting a 5 star thing back.
• 54:10
  Like I I've got some nitpicks in the in the nitty gritty of the
• 54:12
  system in there, but overall I think the fact that you're
• 54:15
  equipping gear that is relevant. Useful.
• 54:20
  It isn't just totally sidelined, you know, the crafting.
• 54:23
  Historically you would just out gear that tailored chess piece
• 54:27
  that you could have made and then why are you even making
• 54:29
  them? So I know again they've scaled
• 54:32
  it down a little bit here for this latest patch, but I mean,
• 54:35
  I've, I've heard you can get like a 463 piece crafted today
• 54:41
  to lead you into season three starting next week, you know
• 54:44
  what I mean? So like as long as they do
• 54:45
  things like that, that keep it interesting and keep it
• 54:47
  relevant. I think it's fun.
• 54:49
  I think it's it, it is like it's the update of Dragonfly I think
• 54:55
  in the sense that it's the main system overhaul that'll carry
• 54:57
  forward Evergreen similarly. I feel the same about war bands
• 55:02
  for the War Within. I think that's like the tent
• 55:04
  pole that even more so than delves they're adding to the
• 55:07
  game as far as the new system. So no, I I think it's OK.
• 55:10
  I I don't know how it's going to look moving forward.
• 55:13
  There was a little bit of talk again in that Mister GM
• 55:16
  interview apparently where they're going to.
• 55:19
  Current plan is for The War Within to have its own version
• 55:21
  of the existing profession talent systems, so that if you
• 55:24
  love professions, you can actually do talents to spec into
• 55:27
  certain things. But they're gonna continue with
• 55:29
  the work order system, but they're looking for ways to make
• 55:32
  it better, so it seems like they're gonna move it forward.
• 55:36
  It's just how does it scale with all these other sources of gear
• 55:39
  we're talking about, and how important are things like
• 55:42
  embellishments and stuff they've?
• 55:44
  They've even scaled down the importance of embellishments
• 55:46
  now. So is that the direction they're
• 55:48
  going like? I don't know.
• 55:50
  I got a lot of questions though. Yeah, yeah, I I think it's
• 55:55
  strange that they have all these things that will interact with
• 55:59
  professions and in many ways they might either enhance the
• 56:06
  importance of the of professions or they may take away from the
• 56:10
  importance of professions. The fact that you can like a lot
• 56:14
  of people when they were doing their their catch up would use
• 56:17
  professions to like get to a certain gear point and then go
• 56:21
  after stuff from there. A lot of a lot of that can be
• 56:25
  offset by the fact that we're going to get these war bound
• 56:28
  items or the fact that you can like delve to get like up to
• 56:33
  heroic level loot. I think that they have had this
• 56:39
  continuing balancing act with professions like you've been
• 56:44
  saying where one season they will completely rework the
• 56:49
  lariat after season one being like so crazy, and then the next
• 56:54
  season, hey sport, cloak is getting cut off at the knees
• 56:57
  literally the day before the the patch goes live.
• 57:01
  And so it's being incredibly tumultuous.
• 57:05
  And I I would hope that they do sit down and like be like, OK,
• 57:11
  we're gonna like really make sure that this lands well for
• 57:15
  season one. I think that the biggest issue
• 57:18
  that I had with with professions was how hard some recipes came
• 57:28
  came to people. Like if you could get that
• 57:31
  lariat day one. Yeah like wow you were you were
• 57:35
  sitting pretty. But there are people who have
• 57:37
  still been farming the Lariat pretty much all expansion long
• 57:41
  and we're you're going into the last bit of chance to actually
• 57:45
  make some sales now in in in this pre season where somebody
• 57:50
  might be like yeah no like hook me up with that lariat because
• 57:52
  I've got enough gem sockets and this will help me in week one.
• 57:58
  But people who have been farming still haven't gone that Lariat
• 58:02
  are unsure if they want to pay multiple millions of gold to get
• 58:06
  that patent off the auction house.
• 58:07
  Right. Oh, I I could talk to you for an
• 58:11
  hour about my problems with drop chances on some of these things.
• 58:14
  Again, as an Invoker, I very recently got my legendary and I
• 58:18
  hit a point where I was like, I don't even know if I'm going to
• 58:20
  craft this thing. I I did, but but yeah, similar
• 58:24
  complaints across the board with some of that stuff for sure.
• 58:27
  Yeah. And so I guess accessibility to
• 58:30
  the market, how quickly somebody can get into the market is like
• 58:33
  the big thing I'd like to see. The other part of it isn't just
• 58:36
  like the items dropping, it's if somebody comes to the game late
• 58:40
  and they want to put the points in catch up.
• 58:44
  Feels like it's something that they need to address over the
• 58:47
  course of the expansion. I'm really glad they didn't add
• 58:49
  any new trees. Big props to them for sticking
• 58:52
  to that being able to like sell off your extra points to get to
• 58:58
  get medals. So that became your your point
• 59:03
  dump after afterwards is also I think an ingenious solution.
• 59:09
  I think that they just they just need to do a little bit more
• 59:13
  about getting people involved in it.
• 59:16
  So it's a more robust, lively market and I think it'll be
• 59:18
  good. OK.
• 59:20
  So that's my my one do you want to pick the next subject?
• 59:22
  We're we're running low on different points though.
• 59:25
  Oh yeah, no hero talents. That's a thing.
• 59:30
  You and I have chatted about talents once before, yes.
• 59:35
  For sure, but anyway, no, no. So hero talents are super
• 59:39
  interesting. Super brief introduction is that
• 59:41
  essentially, if you didn't catch the presentation, go back
• 59:44
  because there's now in Ian Howskosis.
• 59:47
  Deep Dive even showed what the names of all of these hero
• 59:50
  talent trees are. But essentially it's a new
• 59:53
  talent tree that appears in the middle of your tree.
• 59:55
  So it's kind of like, you know, they're they're class specific.
• 59:59
  So in many ways it's more related to the left class tree,
• 1:00:02
  but it's it's an own entire thing where for each spec you
• 1:00:04
  get to choose between two. Unless you're a weird class like
• 1:00:08
  a, you know, a druid or a Demon Hunter.
• 1:00:11
  I think's the other weird one. Obviously they should just do
• 1:00:14
  another Demon Hunter spec and. Fix this before they even have
• 1:00:18
  that problem. But anyway, so yeah, you get to
• 1:00:20
  pick between two regardless of your spec.
• 1:00:22
  And then it just, I mean they're new talents, a lot of them are
• 1:00:25
  passive in nature that we've seen so far but fit thematically
• 1:00:29
  differently. And it's it's really just an
• 1:00:33
  extension of the talent system to the degree that you can
• 1:00:35
  change them out as frequently as you do talents right now.
• 1:00:40
  And so I think it's cool I I definitely I think it makes a
• 1:00:43
  lot more sense than it would have to build new bottom rows
• 1:00:46
  for the existing talent trees and have like a fresh new row
• 1:00:51
  for each of the four druid specs for instance.
• 1:00:54
  Instead I have something that's kind of like modular between
• 1:00:56
  specs that you could swap between.
• 1:00:58
  So I think that's honestly that's probably one of their
• 1:01:00
  main goals is to let's let's find something that we can make
• 1:01:03
  a little bit more Evergreen kind of related to the left tree but
• 1:01:09
  that you could swap in and out and I could I could be various
• 1:01:13
  types of the same class. So.
• 1:01:16
  So I think it's I think it's gonna be interesting to see how
• 1:01:18
  they shake out and of course the balance thing as with any talent
• 1:01:20
  the question always is in my mind is there gonna be just the
• 1:01:23
  best build for the content that I'm doing and am I just gonna
• 1:01:26
  press a button and not even really notice it.
• 1:01:29
  That's kind of one of my concerns, I suppose, cuz one of
• 1:01:33
  the things they sold in this was a class fantasy idea.
• 1:01:35
  Like, I am a spell Slinger arcane mage, that's what I'm all
• 1:01:40
  about. But man, if the talents in that
• 1:01:42
  are the tree are better, am I just going to press a button and
• 1:01:44
  swap to them? Like, I don't know.
• 1:01:46
  That's kind of my only thing with it.
• 1:01:48
  I I think it's cool conceptually.
• 1:01:50
  And I love, I mean the names of some of these are sweet across
• 1:01:53
  the board, but how's it going to feel?
• 1:01:57
  Is it going to be something that we even really notice?
• 1:01:59
  If it's mostly passive stuff? I'm looking for things that'll
• 1:02:02
  change my rotation at least, right?
• 1:02:04
  Like that's that's something we got to have, isn't it?
• 1:02:07
  Yeah, I OK. So the way that I see this is,
• 1:02:12
  hey guys, remember your covenants, this is covenants,
• 1:02:16
  right. This is another tree that you
• 1:02:18
  work through. Eventually you'll Max out the
• 1:02:22
  points in that it is a tree on top of all your other talent
• 1:02:25
  choices and it will affect your rotation.
• 1:02:31
  I do love that there is that is tied to the classes.
• 1:02:36
  Right. If you wanna say you know, like
• 1:02:40
  people, people were like, oh covenants, oh God, it's
• 1:02:42
  horrible. Don't talk about covenants, it's
• 1:02:44
  fine. Think about your legion artifact
• 1:02:47
  very much was tied to your spec, right?
• 1:02:50
  But you. But you could only pick one.
• 1:02:53
  That's why I chose covenants as a better example.
• 1:02:55
  But it's the same thing that you saw in your legion artifacts
• 1:02:57
  because you will get all the points in there.
• 1:03:00
  So you'll you'll Max out your your hero talents and it will
• 1:03:04
  affect your rotation. The way that they described it
• 1:03:07
  is that the first point you put in there, just like your
• 1:03:09
  artifact weapon is going to be like boom, big build defining
• 1:03:13
  ability, right? And then the final talent that
• 1:03:16
  you put in there is going to be a is going to be something that
• 1:03:21
  double S down on that original talent and just makes it that
• 1:03:24
  much more impactful and the way that you're going to want to
• 1:03:30
  specialize within this within these hero talents.
• 1:03:33
  Is the choice notes because everything else you will you'll
• 1:03:37
  have. There is no there is no wrong
• 1:03:41
  way to build to to spend your points when you have all the
• 1:03:44
  points because you will get everything.
• 1:03:46
  But the choice notes will be like OK, I'm in an AOE
• 1:03:50
  situation, I want to switch to this.
• 1:03:52
  I'm in A in A2 target cleave. I want to switch to this.
• 1:03:55
  That sort of thing will be there and you are 100% right.
• 1:04:00
  With every talent tree, there's going to be like your best
• 1:04:04
  builds for this particular content.
• 1:04:07
  I'm just hoping that there isn't 1 build that is good no matter
• 1:04:11
  what content you're doing. I'm hoping that much like
• 1:04:16
  they've done with these current talent trees, you will say, oh,
• 1:04:21
  I am a Hunter, a Beast Mastery Hunter, and I.
• 1:04:29
  Want to use the talents for my Dark Ranger or I am a elemental
• 1:04:34
  shaman and oh man, I'm in arena. Let me go to Tamik and really
• 1:04:39
  use those totems to to mess with things or I am in a different
• 1:04:44
  situation and so hey, maybe I want to be a Stormbringer,
• 1:04:49
  Elemental Shaman or? The same talent tree might be
• 1:04:55
  good in both situations, but you do need to make those choices,
• 1:04:58
  and as long as you have the all of those sort of things to do, I
• 1:05:02
  think it's going to be fantastic.
• 1:05:06
  So what do you think about the some of the community feedback
• 1:05:09
  has been? For example, you brought up the
• 1:05:12
  Dark Ranger talents. If I'm going to be equipping
• 1:05:14
  Dark Ranger talents, it sure would be cool if my abilities
• 1:05:18
  looked more Dark Rangery to fit my new customization that I can
• 1:05:22
  kind of look like a red eyed high elf to some degree.
• 1:05:26
  Do you think there's any credence to that?
• 1:05:27
  Like do it doesn't seem like we're going to out the gate
• 1:05:30
  likely, but do you see a world in which some of these come with
• 1:05:33
  visual components to them as well?
• 1:05:35
  I don't see how people missed it.
• 1:05:37
  They did a video, they had the the warrior jump in with King of
• 1:05:43
  the mountain thane abilities, that's true.
• 1:05:46
  And then they did an ability where he was on the other one.
• 1:05:49
  In one ability his his heroic leap had lightning crash down
• 1:05:54
  around him as he as he landed and the other one he didn't.
• 1:05:57
  So I think it's true, it's already there that they're going
• 1:06:00
  to have these these things, especially if they are altering
• 1:06:05
  abilities or that you have. Like the example they gave for
• 1:06:09
  Druids was you got this Grove, tender or guardian of the Grove.
• 1:06:13
  I forget exactly what it is. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:06:15
  And it affected your trends or trions, whichever pronunciation
• 1:06:19
  you want to use, those should look different, right?
• 1:06:23
  They should. You should have a talent choice
• 1:06:26
  where it's like, oh, these guys are going to like, burn and like
• 1:06:29
  do AOE damage. And they burn like they control
• 1:06:33
  that straight from this current patch.
• 1:06:36
  There's going to be Storm Bringer where it's like, oh,
• 1:06:38
  I've I've my abilities are infused with the storm.
• 1:06:41
  Or you're going to be sand Lane where it's like, oh these things
• 1:06:43
  are going to have more blood and death associated with it and it
• 1:06:48
  should affect your abilities. So people see that and they go,
• 1:06:51
  that's a sand lane that isn't a a, a writer of the apocalypse,
• 1:06:55
  right? Right, that's a Frostfire Mage.
• 1:06:58
  How do you do Frostfire Mage, which is a which is probably
• 1:07:02
  going to be not available to Arcane.
• 1:07:04
  That is clearly to Fire Mage and Frost Mage.
• 1:07:07
  Right. And not have their abilities
• 1:07:10
  have the combination of frost and fire.
• 1:07:14
  OK I you got me sold on that warrior bit and I even you're
• 1:07:17
  right. I saw that piece with my own two
• 1:07:19
  eyes then heard the feedback of people saying we need visuals on
• 1:07:23
  this and didn't put it together. So you're right, there may be
• 1:07:26
  there may be more of a visual component to it than some of us
• 1:07:29
  may think. So yeah.
• 1:07:33
  So I'm super happy for that. I also like side note, Blizzard,
• 1:07:37
  Blizzard, if you're listening to me, put in more cosmetic glyphs
• 1:07:42
  like people wanna customize. Put in more cosmetic glyphs I
• 1:07:45
  want. Glyphs where like I love the a
• 1:07:49
  simple glyph where it's like, oh, your demon that you summon
• 1:07:52
  will randomly have one of the weapons in your bag.
• 1:07:55
  And so I have a bunch of weapons that have no value to me other
• 1:07:58
  than they look cool on the demon that I'm summoning, right?
• 1:08:02
  Ravager The Ravager spinning thing that you throw down on the
• 1:08:07
  ground. The effect gets replaced with
• 1:08:09
  one of your equipped weapons. That's awesome, right?
• 1:08:14
  Have shamans. To be able to change their
• 1:08:17
  elementals so it looks like elementals from Dragonfly or
• 1:08:21
  elementals from Warlords or like corrupted elementals from
• 1:08:27
  Legion. Like there's there's so many
• 1:08:29
  customizations there. I I would love it.
• 1:08:31
  But more than that these things because they're they are very
• 1:08:37
  focused on what they're what they're affecting.
• 1:08:40
  Yeah, they should put that. They should put customizations
• 1:08:44
  cosmetic. Differences in that so you can
• 1:08:47
  identify a Dark Ranger versus just some hunter who is going
• 1:08:52
  lone wolf or whatever. I don't want to give Blizzard
• 1:08:54
  any bad ideas here, but I would pay traders tenders for any of
• 1:08:58
  the ideas you just laid out there, so.
• 1:09:00
  I, I, I have said before on the show that I would pay real money
• 1:09:03
  for it. So you're you are not giving the
• 1:09:05
  worst ideas, but immediately for you.
• 1:09:07
  You could pay real money for traders, tenders too.
• 1:09:10
  This is true. That's a whole other
• 1:09:11
  controversy. To not dive in right now.
• 1:09:13
  Hey, yo. Yeah, so they did say look at
• 1:09:19
  those names. They they he put it right up on
• 1:09:21
  the screen. Look at those names.
• 1:09:24
  If some of them don't sound right, they sound kind of lame.
• 1:09:29
  Yes. Which it will get the feedback.
• 1:09:33
  We'll look for something. I personally am not a fan of
• 1:09:36
  totemic. I think it sounds kind of.
• 1:09:41
  It stumbles off my tongue. It sounds kind of lame.
• 1:09:44
  But I love the imagery. It's it's conjuring.
• 1:09:46
  Like when you think of a shaman and like the power is in their
• 1:09:49
  totems. Hell yeah.
• 1:09:51
  OK, I'm going to ask you a question.
• 1:09:53
  You play a Volker. Do you know your 33 Hero Talent
• 1:09:58
  specializations? Not off the top of my head.
• 1:10:00
  I'd have to look. That's OK.
• 1:10:02
  While you're looking, I I will give you the example because I
• 1:10:04
  know the three for a shaman off the top of my head and so I'm
• 1:10:08
  going to tell you what my guess is.
• 1:10:10
  How they each play out because one thing about her hero totems
• 1:10:13
  is you have a choice of two, but there are three for your class
• 1:10:17
  and so each if you're well depending, unless you're a
• 1:10:20
  guardian juror, then there's four.
• 1:10:22
  But if you are a elemental shaman, you get a choice of two
• 1:10:27
  of the three, not all three. If you're an enhancement shaman,
• 1:10:30
  you get a choice of two of the three, one shared with
• 1:10:33
  elemental, the other one shared with restoration, and then
• 1:10:35
  restoration shares one with Elemental, one with enhancement.
• 1:10:39
  So in that in that mindset I think that for Shaman they have
• 1:10:45
  Farseer, they have Totemic and they have the Storm the storm
• 1:10:51
  collar I think it's storm collar might be Storm Bringer.
• 1:10:54
  I apologize this is off the top of my head.
• 1:10:57
  In my opinion, you don't have that storm one go to elemental
• 1:11:02
  like that. That's the damage bringing that
• 1:11:04
  is. The lightning bolts that are
• 1:11:06
  thrown by and should be enhanced by an elemental shaman or an
• 1:11:12
  enhancement shaman for the totemic.
• 1:11:16
  I think that resto shamans and elemental shamans use totems
• 1:11:21
  more than enhancement shamans, who's running around in melee
• 1:11:24
  and doesn't want to like, go out of range of its totem.
• 1:11:26
  So that just seems like a bad move to like then make them
• 1:11:29
  totem focus. So I think that that's how it's
• 1:11:32
  shared. And then of course what's shared
• 1:11:34
  between Resto and Enhancement would be the far seer as the as
• 1:11:40
  the last choice. So I really like that they have
• 1:11:44
  that sort of like midway point between each of them.
• 1:11:50
  And like I was saying with the Mage Frost, Fire, definitely
• 1:11:53
  between Frost and Fire like that one's really easy to to pick.
• 1:11:56
  What are your guesses for where the hero talents for Volker
• 1:12:01
  Split sit? In terms of which, where each
• 1:12:04
  spec is. So I got it up now thankfully.
• 1:12:07
  OK. Anyway, the interesting thing
• 1:12:10
  about Evokers is that you kind of already have splits built in
• 1:12:14
  based on your spec as it exists. Things like devastation being a
• 1:12:18
  mixture of red and blue, preservation, green and bronze,
• 1:12:22
  you know what I mean? So like you kind of already have
• 1:12:24
  that within your spec. And so it's interesting to think
• 1:12:27
  about how like that flavor is going to then overlap with the
• 1:12:31
  flavor here. So I mean, really, whatever you
• 1:12:34
  pick is going to be a combination of, in some ways
• 1:12:37
  four of the flights, kinda. Because like, if I'm picking the
• 1:12:41
  one that is shared between Devastation and Preservation, it
• 1:12:44
  has to, in my mind, kinda represent red, blue-green and
• 1:12:48
  bronze to some degree, right? OK, Which I think is Chrono
• 1:12:51
  Warden. Chrono obviously has to have
• 1:12:53
  bronze in there. I don't think there's any
• 1:12:55
  question to that one. So, Chrono Warden, you're seeing
• 1:12:59
  a split between which two? I mean, I I don't know if it's
• 1:13:02
  been confirmed elsewhere, for I'm just guessing here.
• 1:13:05
  My thought would be devastation and preservation.
• 1:13:08
  Devastation could be wrong, though.
• 1:13:10
  I I feel like that augmentation uses a lot of bronze magic.
• 1:13:19
  It does. And I would and I would think
• 1:13:20
  that Krona Warden would go there along with like how the
• 1:13:25
  Preservation rewinds times to heal some of those wounds.
• 1:13:27
  So like that's. That's where I would put it.
• 1:13:29
  I love that we have different picks.
• 1:13:31
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, I love having different
• 1:13:33
  picks for that. OK, maybe Ruby Adept is the one
• 1:13:38
  I'm talking about. The dev and prez, I don't know,
• 1:13:42
  Scale commander's the other weird one that kind of like
• 1:13:45
  throat scale commander isn't. Is Emberthal considered a scale
• 1:13:48
  commander as well? She was the last scale.
• 1:13:52
  Commander like she was, her entire crash got wiped out.
• 1:13:57
  So she was a scale commander of nobody, right?
• 1:14:01
  And then she took over for Sarcarath when Sarcarath died.
• 1:14:05
  And so that she brought those guys back in.
• 1:14:08
  But you're right, it's like Scale Commander isn't the one
• 1:14:10
  that immediately goes towards one of the flights, right?
• 1:14:13
  Right. My guess though, if it's tied to
• 1:14:14
  Emberthal one of it's augmentation because she's like
• 1:14:17
  the embodiment of the Ogg Evoker and so maybe maybe that one's
• 1:14:21
  the I'm just going to guess because I'm throwing darts here.
• 1:14:25
  Anyway, that scale commander is the Ogg and Prez Chrono Warden
• 1:14:30
  is I'll I'll still say Dev and Prez.
• 1:14:34
  I could be wrong. And then Ruby Adept is OG and
• 1:14:37
  Dev. OK, yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Like I I love that there isn't a hard fast one, right for that.
• 1:14:43
  And I like, I like that there is some contention with that.
• 1:14:46
  Some of them, like we said, seem so straightforward.
• 1:14:49
  Some of them are a little bit, little bit more confusing like
• 1:14:52
  the Sand Lane for Death Knights, like Sand Lane.
• 1:14:57
  I immediately think blood. So I say, oh, it's got to be
• 1:14:59
  tied to blood, but like, what's the other one?
• 1:15:02
  And I think that Sand Lane I isn't strongly connected with
• 1:15:06
  either, but is less connected with frost than with like
• 1:15:10
  diseases. So like that's where I would go
• 1:15:12
  with that. Rider of the Apocalypse.
• 1:15:16
  I don't know that like this. That is just like one of the
• 1:15:18
  ones where it'd be like I'm going to have to use process of
• 1:15:20
  Elimination, but like, I will give Death Knights a a little
• 1:15:25
  applause here. Those names are so metal, so
• 1:15:29
  absolutely metal, and evocative, regardless of how well they fit
• 1:15:34
  with the with, like. Oh, that one's clearly these two
• 1:15:38
  specs. I just, I I love them so much.
• 1:15:42
  Rider the apocalypse is so cool that one is tempted to just be
• 1:15:45
  one, regardless of whether it's good.
• 1:15:47
  Like, just especially if it comes with visual effects that,
• 1:15:50
  Oh yeah, no, that's gonna be real metal.
• 1:15:53
  So so Blizzard, don't worry about lame on that it that one's
• 1:15:56
  purely I want to see the mechanics.
• 1:16:00
  So wait, Rider, the Apocalypse Sandlane and their third one?
• 1:16:05
  Remind me what that one is? Oh, Death, Bringer.
• 1:16:10
  Yeah, Death Bringer Warlocks with their Hellraiser.
• 1:16:14
  There's some that are just so good.
• 1:16:16
  But I I'm, I'm really hoping that these give like a little
• 1:16:21
  bit of like a really subclass feel so that people are like
• 1:16:26
  really attached to them. Like yeah, I am the, I am the
• 1:16:29
  Hellraiser. I am the a Rider of the
• 1:16:31
  Apocalypse, right? I am the Storm Bringer.
• 1:16:34
  You can actually. Check, because you've got that
• 1:16:37
  up in front of you, the Shaman one.
• 1:16:39
  Is it Stormbringer? Because Stormbringer is actually
• 1:16:41
  a talent Stormbringer. Good.
• 1:16:43
  All right. I think, yeah, I think that you
• 1:16:47
  get the the names, which is good.
• 1:16:51
  You sell it on the effects that it adds to it.
• 1:16:54
  So the old moves you're used to suddenly just seem so much more
• 1:16:57
  empowered and you feel like you've reached that next level
• 1:17:00
  of your class. Yeah, it should feel like a hero
• 1:17:04
  class to some degree. And you're.
• 1:17:05
  I mean, bringing in the D&D example of the subclass.
• 1:17:08
  Totally. That's where my concern earlier
• 1:17:10
  kinda lays, where I want to identify as a Corona Warden
• 1:17:15
  Invoker, but my best talents are in Scale Commander and I just
• 1:17:19
  press that button instead. They, they bounce them close
• 1:17:22
  enough so that you'd be like, yeah, I know I'm giving up 2%,
• 1:17:26
  but Krono Warden, I mean, look at that spell effect.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, exactly. So maybe that's where we land
• 1:17:32
  for sure. And, I mean, allowing us to swap
• 1:17:34
  freely between them is still the correct move.
• 1:17:36
  I'm not dogging on that. But that's just where one of my
• 1:17:41
  little things lies. OK.
• 1:17:44
  What else do we have left to talk about in terms of?
• 1:17:49
  Of this new expansion, I mean, I would say dynamic flying, but
• 1:17:55
  that's coming in 10 point 2.5, right?
• 1:17:58
  So I know it's been sold as a War Within feature, but it's
• 1:18:02
  gonna be a thing before that. So I don't know Not much to say
• 1:18:05
  about it other than sure let me fly the things that I have in my
• 1:18:08
  collection. Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  I I would just be going into like sort of the smaller greedy
• 1:18:15
  of that one. That's why that's like very low
• 1:18:18
  on my list. I would say that if you're if
• 1:18:21
  they're building the zones day one with that in mind, just like
• 1:18:24
  they did Dragonfly, I love I love dragon riding.
• 1:18:28
  That's continuing on great. More of the mounts are being
• 1:18:31
  able to dragon ride or dynamic flight as it's now being called,
• 1:18:35
  good. For the people who aren't able
• 1:18:37
  or have difficulty with dragon riding, putting that static
• 1:18:41
  flight in in there is good. I am going to go nuts on
• 1:18:47
  holidays where I'm going around the old world and I'm like
• 1:18:50
  dragon ride Zoof. I keep talking about little
• 1:18:56
  knock on blows to the economy this is going to have and I'm
• 1:19:00
  pretty sure people who discuss the economy are going to.
• 1:19:06
  Know this, but this is going to have a knock on to the economy
• 1:19:09
  where people are going to really want to farm stuff with dragon
• 1:19:17
  riding. But outside of Dragon Isles you
• 1:19:21
  do get dismounted, which means the Meccano Shredder, the
• 1:19:26
  harvester is going to still be popular and the fact that both
• 1:19:32
  regular flying and. Dynamic flying is back in means
• 1:19:36
  that the true farmers are going right back to their mechano
• 1:19:39
  shredder. Go ahead and get those Miss the
• 1:19:42
  Pandaria mats together. They are going back up in price,
• 1:19:45
  I think. Well, that's an interesting
• 1:19:47
  point. Yeah, I hadn't even thought
• 1:19:48
  about the, I mean some of that's going to go down now, right?
• 1:19:51
  Because isn't there a Pathfinder in 10.2 that allows us to normal
• 1:19:54
  fly? And yeah, we'll see some effects
• 1:19:57
  there pretty soon potentially. Yeah, last.
• 1:20:02
  Point that I want to talk about. The pre-order went out.
• 1:20:07
  The pre-order includes many different levels.
• 1:20:09
  You can get the base edition, you can get a heroic version,
• 1:20:13
  you can get a legendary version. Is there an epic version in
• 1:20:16
  between? I can't remember if they did
• 1:20:17
  four different skews, I think it was only three.
• 1:20:20
  The big thing is that as part of buying the legendary which is
• 1:20:24
  the most expensive version, you get guaranteed access to the
• 1:20:27
  beta. But you also get three days
• 1:20:32
  advance access when it goes live and people are having a little
• 1:20:39
  fit about this. What are your feelings about
• 1:20:42
  this? So Full disclosure, I hadn't
• 1:20:45
  even thought of it from an economic standpoint like in game
• 1:20:49
  economics until you mentioned it near the top of this show.
• 1:20:52
  But you are right. Fact that you could hop in and
• 1:20:55
  farm that really cool thing before anyone else and then sell
• 1:20:57
  it to someone. Who's at their gold cap, baby?
• 1:21:00
  For a ridiculous amount, seems like a bit of an advantage, an
• 1:21:04
  advantage given to people who are already advantage enough to
• 1:21:07
  be able to afford that tier with real life money.
• 1:21:11
  Seems like the rich get richer and that's a bit gross.
• 1:21:16
  So there's there's that whole element, but really even just
• 1:21:19
  the. I know it was kind of brought up
• 1:21:22
  and joked about quite a bit on the I don't know if you saw the
• 1:21:24
  Talias Navitel live show. But they went back and forth
• 1:21:28
  about it for quite a bit. But another valid concern is
• 1:21:31
  that it does split the community on launch day.
• 1:21:33
  It's that there isn't the one big launch, there's the two.
• 1:21:37
  It's the people who could swing it, the people who couldn't for
• 1:21:40
  whatever reason. I'll even add another layer to
• 1:21:42
  this because they did something similar to.
• 1:21:45
  Then like this with Diablo 4 as well, with some extra early days
• 1:21:48
  at the beginning. I actually did get the bundle at
• 1:21:51
  that time and when that weekend came around I didn't have any
• 1:21:54
  time and played like 2 hours total.
• 1:21:56
  So that felt bad too. Like I had bought into the thing
• 1:21:58
  and couldn't even do it. So I don't know it it hey
• 1:22:04
  everything else about the bundle in my mind is at least OK.
• 1:22:07
  The boost I got no issues with. Even the access to the beta, I
• 1:22:12
  mean in my mind it gets more people in there testing things.
• 1:22:15
  Having beta access is super fun. I've I've had the privilege to
• 1:22:18
  do it since BFA and like just getting in there getting to feel
• 1:22:21
  out the zones and have just even a taste of what's to come.
• 1:22:24
  Is is cool and I yes, I would pay money for that if I needed
• 1:22:28
  to. Yeah, the one that kind of like
• 1:22:32
  gums this up for me is that three day thing to some degree
• 1:22:35
  too. So I think for me.
• 1:22:38
  Less about I I'm not someone who plays for gold and I'm not gonna
• 1:22:43
  be the one to game the auction house if they merge it together
• 1:22:46
  any of those types of things. So not too worried about that as
• 1:22:49
  much personally, but I could see how people would be.
• 1:22:51
  It's the splitting of, you know, if I don't get it, which is not
• 1:22:57
  very likely knowing that I'm three days behind some of these
• 1:23:01
  other people in terms of even pushing content to be ready for
• 1:23:04
  the beginning of the next season and.
• 1:23:07
  Further along in their renowned tracks and I don't know I could
• 1:23:09
  go on it definitely. I mean it's from a income
• 1:23:15
  perspective like if they want to sell a higher tier thing, it is
• 1:23:17
  certainly a way to sell more people on the higher tier thing.
• 1:23:20
  I think there's going to be people who would buy this bundle
• 1:23:22
  that otherwise wouldn't have because of those three days to
• 1:23:26
  take advantage of some of these concerns.
• 1:23:28
  And I had nothing against that. Like, I mean you do you.
• 1:23:30
  I'm not going to. I I don't like that they're able
• 1:23:33
  to. But if you're a person who's
• 1:23:34
  like yes, we could get in there day one find the most expensive
• 1:23:37
  Matt, farm it sell like crazy like cool.
• 1:23:39
  Do it. That's you're being able to do
• 1:23:41
  it. More power to you.
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  I'm not going to knock you for it.
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  I just wish you couldn't do it, you know.
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  That's kind of where I'm at. But I don't know what it what
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  are you thinking along those same lines or yeah I I think I
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  am not as concerned with the day one everybody crowding together
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  as other people are. Mostly because every expansion
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  save dragon flight the most recent one day one launches have
• 1:24:12
  put us into scenarios. We race the ice town and we go
• 1:24:16
  through a scenario and we're split up anyways.
• 1:24:18
  I might I may or may not see my my friends.
• 1:24:24
  I remember when the when we ran into Tenant jungle and we were
• 1:24:29
  doing that entire run around the Dark Portal can't and stuff,
• 1:24:35
  it's instance up and immediately because that's just how they
• 1:24:40
  immediately split up people. This is a more natural way of
• 1:24:43
  doing it. So they're taking what they
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  learned from Dragon fight which is hey the zone can pretty much
• 1:24:49
  support it as long as we don't have everybody zoning in at the
• 1:24:53
  same time. So congratulations, we're going
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  to split you up this way. To me it doesn't, it doesn't
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  make as much of a difference as any other expansion.
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  Doing the instant stuff now. The economy, yeah, there's a lot
• 1:25:09
  of things there they've done. They've already cut off at the
• 1:25:14
  past, many of the big chief things.
• 1:25:17
  There's not going to be a weekly reset.
• 1:25:18
  So you're not going to be able to like run all your dungeons
• 1:25:21
  before Tuesday and then everybody gets in on Tuesday and
• 1:25:24
  you're like, ha ha ha, I get to run run dungeons again and get
• 1:25:28
  that much more elude. But there are going to be things
• 1:25:31
  that they're going to have to make sure are turned off.
• 1:25:33
  If this was dragon flight, there cannot be any stuff that was in
• 1:25:39
  season one. Remember, this is the big thing.
• 1:25:41
  A lot of those patterns that we were like, oh man, we won off
• 1:25:44
  the. We won off the auction house.
• 1:25:46
  They only came in with season one when we were doing the
• 1:25:52
  elemental Invasions to get the elemental lariat right.
• 1:25:56
  That didn't start until season one where everybody's going to
• 1:25:58
  have had their time to like basically get to the same point.
• 1:26:02
  And I think if they do that they can limit the economy stuff for
• 1:26:06
  the most part. It's going to be yes some people
• 1:26:09
  are going to get get access to Matt's ahead of other people but
• 1:26:14
  a three day gap on that isn't as bad as a as like a full reset or
• 1:26:21
  the actual recipes becoming available to farm.
• 1:26:25
  I think one of the the the things that I think is going to
• 1:26:30
  happen is that the people who get in early are going to kind
• 1:26:33
  of feed on themselves. They are the guys who spent the
• 1:26:36
  money to get in early are going to be trying to level up their
• 1:26:40
  professions early and therefore are going to be sold to by the
• 1:26:44
  same people who got in early. So they're they're just they're
• 1:26:47
  or Bros just eating themselves. And then everybody else comes in
• 1:26:50
  after that market has sort of settled and their own demand has
• 1:26:54
  somewhat flatlined and they won't get as much of that hit.
• 1:26:58
  They'll get some of it because three days isn't enough to
• 1:27:00
  completely flatline that. But a lot of the first day
• 1:27:03
  spikes that we see is going to be gone.
• 1:27:06
  So I feel like the economic issues are going to be for the
• 1:27:11
  people who really wanted to make money at the very beginning of
• 1:27:13
  the expansion but couldn't pay for or didn't feel the value of
• 1:27:19
  paying for that epic condition. Those are the people who are
• 1:27:21
  going to be most hard out by it. Everybody else.
• 1:27:23
  I think the problem actually somewhat solves itself.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah, I guess I hadn't considered that the demand will
• 1:27:29
  shoot up when the rest of everyone gets in and that really
• 1:27:32
  it's a it's a three day economy all by itself and then
• 1:27:36
  everything changes. So yeah, that that's
• 1:27:38
  interesting. And yet to your point though, is
• 1:27:40
  if they can restrict. Certain things to either
• 1:27:43
  dropping at the beginning of season one or even just after
• 1:27:46
  those three days. It might prevent some of the
• 1:27:49
  most like gratuitous exploitative stuff you could do
• 1:27:52
  with this So and that would soften the blow for me yeah.
• 1:27:56
  So it's there's there's something to consider there.
• 1:27:59
  I don't think it's as bad as people are are like absolutely
• 1:28:03
  fearing the the like I said people get split up all the
• 1:28:07
  time. There are people who like run in
• 1:28:10
  day one and level up to cap and they were always going to have a
• 1:28:15
  bit of an advantage while people who came in later we're going to
• 1:28:18
  slowly get there. Not everybody who pays for the
• 1:28:21
  three days advance is going to like get to cap immediately and
• 1:28:24
  then start going through. There's going to be people who
• 1:28:27
  like yeah I wanted all this other stuff in Legendary edition
• 1:28:29
  and they'll level slow slower to get to to cap.
• 1:28:34
  The one thing I would like them to do with this change is that
• 1:28:39
  season one should not start week two.
• 1:28:43
  If they can push that out to start week 3 or week four, it
• 1:28:47
  very much will change the dynamic of those three days as
• 1:28:50
  well. Because they won't be as
• 1:28:51
  impactful. Because they won't.
• 1:28:54
  They won't be as much of the share of time people have to get
• 1:28:58
  to get ready, and that in itself will lower the demand of those
• 1:29:02
  like day zero people. Yeah, and I'd be, I mean, really
• 1:29:08
  at the beginning of expansions, the time to level up and just
• 1:29:11
  feel out the zones and work on your renown and that sort of
• 1:29:14
  thing. I I really don't mind there
• 1:29:16
  being an extra lapse in there. It's kind of a fun lull before a
• 1:29:19
  season start. I mean, we're in one right now.
• 1:29:21
  We're at 10.2, but the season hasn't started until next week,
• 1:29:24
  and I'm liking just going to the Emerald Dream and seeing what's
• 1:29:27
  there. Like I I want that experience at
• 1:29:29
  the beginning of the expansion anyway.
• 1:29:30
  So yeah, buy me some more time. Sounds good.
• 1:29:35
  Well, beyond that, is there anything else that you would
• 1:29:38
  want to talk about with the War Within?
• 1:29:41
  I know this has all been like early stuff and we've kind of
• 1:29:44
  really dug through a lot of the things that they put forward,
• 1:29:46
  but is there anything else that you wanted to speak on?
• 1:29:49
  Only thing really would be what does it mean for the story
• 1:29:52
  moving forward into midnight? And then I know you've covered
• 1:29:55
  the the large degree of the World's Soul Sagas in general,
• 1:29:59
  but where? Where does this one land in
• 1:30:02
  terms of? 11 complaint I had with the idea
• 1:30:05
  of the World Soul Saga Is that OK?
• 1:30:07
  Is the Last Titan going to be just the best expansion and the
• 1:30:11
  other two are really just a build up to it?
• 1:30:14
  I don't necessarily think so. There's many things I'm super
• 1:30:16
  excited about with The War Within.
• 1:30:18
  We haven't really gone into the zones, I suppose, but Hollow
• 1:30:21
  Falls going to be one of my favorite visual zones ever, I
• 1:30:24
  think, with that crystal glowing up everything in there.
• 1:30:28
  But now for me, I I'm One thing I really like about where they
• 1:30:31
  seem to be taking the story is the concept of like a ridicron
• 1:30:34
  being a a through line villain that carries into these next
• 1:30:38
  few. It would make sense if he was
• 1:30:40
  still in the last Titan because his whole goal is to take out
• 1:30:43
  the other Titans, right? So if that actually happens, I'd
• 1:30:46
  want him to have a hand in that. I think he's going with him on
• 1:30:50
  this. Sorry, I I I apologize I have
• 1:30:53
  tinfoil hat theories, but they keep finished.
• 1:30:55
  OK, OK, you're fine. We can get in if you'd like.
• 1:30:57
  But but now so yeah, I I think, I think it's a strong first step
• 1:31:02
  into what is many people are calling a Marvel storyline.
• 1:31:06
  I think my main question is just like, is it is the whole story
• 1:31:11
  of of The War Within going to feel like an intro to the other
• 1:31:14
  things or is it going to be a just a strong super good story
• 1:31:18
  on its own and we won't know that answer until?
• 1:31:21
  Like 2025? Probably, but but I'm I'm
• 1:31:25
  excited about the arc overall. I just want to make sure that
• 1:31:28
  this expansion is also super cool and pulls on a lot of the
• 1:31:31
  threads that I'm just hoping Metson and others pull on.
• 1:31:34
  Yeah, yeah, I I agree with you. Like it's one thing to judge it
• 1:31:39
  at the very beginning or or prejudge it before we even get
• 1:31:42
  into the content. It's going to be a completely
• 1:31:44
  different discussion at that 2025 when we're going into
• 1:31:47
  Midnight. Did, did this story land?
• 1:31:50
  Did it stand on its own? Is it really just a stepping
• 1:31:52
  stone for future, the future expansion, the end of the
• 1:31:55
  trilogy? I hope not.
• 1:31:57
  They have said that it should have its own storyline.
• 1:32:00
  I have two tinfoil hat theories. I wish I could just, you know,
• 1:32:04
  take off my hat, put on like an actual tinfoil hat.
• 1:32:07
  But I would say that one at the end of the war within, Elyria
• 1:32:18
  will succumb to the whispers and go bad.
• 1:32:22
  And that she's the reason that we're attacking the the Sunwell
• 1:32:26
  because that's her kind of turning completely against
• 1:32:31
  against everything she stood for.
• 1:32:33
  And she's like and so she'll be like what brings us into the
• 1:32:37
  next Expansion 2 is that a Ridicron will return in the last
• 1:32:44
  Titan but it's gonna be kind of Ilden like where it's like yeah
• 1:32:47
  now that you're finding out the Titans were bad, Iridicon isn't
• 1:32:51
  the bad guy. He's like an Ilden Anti hero.
• 1:32:54
  Oh yeah, totally. They kind of hinted at that a
• 1:32:58
  little bit with the dawn of the infinite ending to some degree,
• 1:33:01
  like you could, you could start to see them seeding that thread
• 1:33:03
  potentially. So yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Maybe he'd go up against Ileden
• 1:33:09
  to some degree. He's he's hanging out.
• 1:33:10
  It's probably coming back. Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Oh, no question. No question.
• 1:33:14
  And Sargarus is gonna have a hand to play in whatever's
• 1:33:17
  coming on here. Oh man, what are they gonna do
• 1:33:19
  with Sargarus? Like, is he gonna be, like, all
• 1:33:21
  cleansed of chaos? And now it's like order
• 1:33:24
  Sargarus. It's like, Oh no, I don't know.
• 1:33:27
  He just he pulls the sword out and then we forget about it for
• 1:33:30
  five years and then we there's a new what sword T-shirt.
• 1:33:33
  That's how it's gonna go. I don't know.
• 1:33:35
  No, I I would love that story for Elyria and Random aside
• 1:33:38
  here, but if you guys listening to this haven't.
• 1:33:41
  Back in Legion, I think it was, listen to those Elyria and
• 1:33:44
  Taralian audio dramas. They would still be up on
• 1:33:48
  YouTube wherever you can find them.
• 1:33:49
  Super good and I think super relevant going into this
• 1:33:52
  expansion because gives us some good back story on Elyria.
• 1:33:55
  And Taralian is currently the leader of the Alliance, so I'm
• 1:33:58
  sure he's going to be in the story too.
• 1:34:00
  And so that's, I mean, I would think going back and listening
• 1:34:04
  to those, I might do it myself just to kind of re up on what
• 1:34:07
  were these characters in their story all about.
• 1:34:09
  It was super cool when they did it.
• 1:34:11
  Talk about the IT goes into like the Locus Walker who trained her
• 1:34:14
  and all this stuff. Yeah, all Locus Walker's gotta
• 1:34:17
  show up, too. I hope Locus Walker shows up.
• 1:34:20
  Such a cool character. He has to.
• 1:34:21
  He has to. That would be kind of a Obi Wan
• 1:34:26
  Vader thing. If a locus Walker shows up at
• 1:34:29
  midnight and it's like Laura, you know you were supposed to be
• 1:34:31
  the Chosen. One, right.
• 1:34:33
  Yeah, I can see that. That's cool.
• 1:34:37
  OK, all right, love tip. Tip for help.
• 1:34:38
  That's amazing. But we have been going on about
• 1:34:41
  this for a while. We've covered so much and dug so
• 1:34:45
  deep into like what they the information they put out.
• 1:34:48
  But they put out so much information about this and I'm
• 1:34:50
  really glad that they have started this conversation so
• 1:34:53
  early. Mr. Maltizord Where can people
• 1:34:57
  find you when you're not here on Fast talking about World of
• 1:35:00
  Warcraft? So the main place would be Blue
• 1:35:04
  Sky for socials. Right now Blue Sky only at Multi
• 1:35:07
  Zord is the name on there. But past that I'd do a show
• 1:35:11
  called Hearth Casual, which is a Hearthstone podcast that is
• 1:35:14
  casual in nature as the name suggests, with Brian Black, also
• 1:35:18
  known as Roe, formerly of Real Maintenance, but does a bunch of
• 1:35:22
  other stuff now too. All bonus roll production stuff
• 1:35:25
  naturally. But yeah, so we are.
• 1:35:27
  We're actually going to next week record our reactions to
• 1:35:30
  BlizzCon more from the. You know Hearthstone angle but
• 1:35:33
  maybe we'll get a little bit in there.
• 1:35:34
  I I throw down on Rumble. I gotta talk about Rumble all
• 1:35:37
  the time. I just need some Ave. to do so
• 1:35:41
  and if I find that Ave., follow me on socials and you might find
• 1:35:44
  it there But yeah, hit us up on I could be found on Discord
• 1:35:47
  certainly and again the bunch of channels but certainly bonus
• 1:35:51
  roll productions and and yeah, that's the main place.
• 1:35:56
  Nice. If you like this episode, make
• 1:35:59
  sure you also check out our last episode where Joss came back and
• 1:36:02
  we talked about the general world saga and the reactions and
• 1:36:07
  how she's coming back to the game.
• 1:36:09
  You can find that on episode 266 of For Azraf and until next time
• 1:36:14
  you can find me on all of my socials.
• 1:36:17
  That is true. Vila Mani.
• 1:36:18
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• 1:36:22
  Everywhere again, that's true. Vila Mani without the E And
• 1:36:26
  again, until next time, guys. May all your hits be crits.