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Boy Kill Boy - Interview with Chris Peck - Episode #39 · The Uncharted Sounds Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of the Uncharted Sounds podcast. Oh nol,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here again with my mate Martin.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing? Martin?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you doing?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm good, excellent.
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  Speaker 1: So before we actually get into the band today, what
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  Speaker 1: have you been listening to this week?
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  Speaker 2: For me?
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  Speaker 4: This week, I've been listening to Garbage pretty sure you
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  Speaker 4: know they are. They had an album out called Anthology,
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  Speaker 4: which is like the greatest hits collection really, but it's
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  Speaker 4: a brilliant one to put on. You know, as a
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  Speaker 4: vinyl record, you get all the songs, which is great,
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  Speaker 4: and they've had so many brilliant songs that I just
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  Speaker 4: love that. I mean, they've got They've had a more
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  Speaker 4: recent album which I've also got, but yeah, Anthology is
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  Speaker 4: the one I've been playing this week.
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  Speaker 2: Excellently cool. So I've been listening to the Rifles.
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  Speaker 1: We both love the Rifles, we do, and I kind
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  Speaker 1: of know a band, but just a great sound.
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  Speaker 2: It's really brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: The album's called a Great Escape and I managed to
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  Speaker 1: pick up the limited edition anniversary edition on Dream Vinyl.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to listen to. So who are talking about
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  Speaker 1: today then, Martin?
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  Speaker 4: So, no, we've got today a band that I probably
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  Speaker 4: didn't think that we would actually get to talk about
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  Speaker 4: or talk to, and that is the band Boy kill Boy.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 6: Demanding, I can't breathe anymore again, please forgive me and
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  Speaker 6: forgets me.
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  Speaker 7: All bang.
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  Speaker 8: U back.
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  Speaker 9: I love them.
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  Speaker 2: They're great.
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  Speaker 4: Now we're going to be talking to one of the
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  Speaker 4: band later on, which will cover so which is great.
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  Speaker 4: But the big news I guess that we should probably
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  Speaker 4: just completely start with right at the beginning of this,
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  Speaker 4: is that they are they're reforming for an anniversary concert
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  Speaker 4: of their first album, Civilian. We'll get into all the
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  Speaker 4: details obviously, but that's in October of twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: so later on this year. That's for us, is you know, fantastic,
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  Speaker 4: and we also now get a chance to talk about
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  Speaker 4: a band that, as I said, I didn't really feel
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  Speaker 4: that we would actually get to So.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're a great, great band, and I think
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  Speaker 1: when we talked about it, we realize we've both played
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  Speaker 1: their stuff all the time. So it's just one of
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  Speaker 1: those bands that are really you know, present for us
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  Speaker 1: in the band that if any of our listeners haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard them, we get an opportunity now to see what
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  Speaker 1: great songs have.
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  Speaker 4: Got yeah, and their story actually is once again, as
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  Speaker 4: with many of the bands that we've that we deal with,
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  Speaker 4: they've they've all got a great, great story. So should
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  Speaker 4: we Let's just work our way through that, shall we.
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  Speaker 4: They sort of began in the sort of two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and three time, but the band members were Chris Peck
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  Speaker 4: on vocals and guitar, and we'll be chatting to Chris
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  Speaker 4: later on in this episode. And then you've got Kevin
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  Speaker 4: Chase on bass, Pete Carr on keyboards, and Chasma Mood
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  Speaker 4: on drums. And as I say, the band started two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and three sort of began in East London around
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  Speaker 4: Layton Stone. The singer and guitarist, Chris Peck had spent
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  Speaker 4: sort of quite a few years in small bands around
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  Speaker 4: that London indie scene, but I think was probably looking
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  Speaker 4: for something more and he started writing some songs with
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  Speaker 4: Chasma Mood and I think they sort of had this
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  Speaker 4: view that they were influenced by bands like Talking Heads,
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  Speaker 4: the Cure inter Poll, so that's sort of that post
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  Speaker 4: punky guitars, new wave SyncE sort of dancing rhythms type thing.
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  Speaker 4: They then recruited Pete Carr on keyboards and Kevin Chase
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  Speaker 4: on bass, and they took their name. This is an
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  Speaker 4: interesting story, so they took their name from Chris mishearing
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  Speaker 4: another band called Boy called Roy. So that point, although
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  Speaker 4: they were called Future of Junior, by the following year
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and four they'd sort of officially been called
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  Speaker 4: Boy Kill Boy. They played regularly at some of the
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  Speaker 4: venues in London, and I'm pretty sure you'll have been
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  Speaker 4: to some of these Camden Barfly, Dublin Castle, Lexington.
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  Speaker 2: Classic venues for that era as well.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that at that time London was full
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  Speaker 4: of those sort of indie bands trying to follow in
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  Speaker 4: that success of you know, some of the more well
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  Speaker 4: known bands like Franz Ferdinand, the Libertines, you know, Block
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  Speaker 4: Party and so on, and I think Boykioldboy were then
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  Speaker 4: getting quite a bit of a traction. They had quite
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  Speaker 4: an energetic live show. More importantly, some of their songs
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  Speaker 4: had really catchy, you know, catchy hooks, and that got
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  Speaker 4: them the notice by enemy journalists Radio one DJs and
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  Speaker 4: they started talking about them as a band that they
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  Speaker 4: you know, that people need to watch. So even though
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  Speaker 4: they were playing some of those smaller club gigs, you know,
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  Speaker 4: They were definitely getting quite a bit of profile off
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  Speaker 4: the back of.
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  Speaker 2: That, so a bit of buzz going around about them.
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  Speaker 4: Then yeah, I think yeah, I think so. Then mid
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and two thousand and five that's when they
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  Speaker 4: had their first sort of single breakthrough. I guess this
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  Speaker 4: was their probably their breakthrough year, and that was Susie This.
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  Speaker 6: Is not a.
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  Speaker 10: Thing.
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  Speaker 7: The same member tight span long next to You is a.
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  Speaker 8: Very nice pants to go sad times as.
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  Speaker 11: A John Tis time I listen to John as they
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  Speaker 11: said don't let me down. They said, don't let me down.
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  Speaker 5: The.
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  Speaker 7: Shout down, chopped down, cattle down, the simbo let Ski
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  Speaker 7: count cattle towns in the simboy.
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  Speaker 5: Are You?
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  Speaker 4: And that was released by a Fish Pandora Records didn't
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  Speaker 4: chart other than got to about number one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: thirty in the UK chart, but it quickly became their
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  Speaker 4: sort of signature song. Big single on chorus as you've heard,
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  Speaker 4: and a very real cynthiy riff associated with it. They
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  Speaker 4: got quite a bit of radio play from Zane Lo,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Wilie and so on.
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  Speaker 1: It was interesting about we talked about Fierce Panda Records
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  Speaker 1: there recently we talked to the Blue Tones, and they
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  Speaker 1: were out of an early EP that Fierce Panda released
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  Speaker 1: with various bands and they were a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: They were almost like a stepping stone to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of bands. The main record companies took an interest. I
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  Speaker 1: think if Fierce Panda released something, to check out the
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  Speaker 1: bands on them. So those EPs they did, they had
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  Speaker 1: several artists. As I said, the Blue Tones was on
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  Speaker 1: one another one had ash, another one had Supergrass and
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  Speaker 1: so on. But they also did some singles of individual
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  Speaker 1: bands which set them on their way. One was Placebo, Embrace,
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  Speaker 1: Idlewild and Right and actually've got this summer in my
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  Speaker 1: collection Coldplay, so kick them off for it and started
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  Speaker 1: to their career by being having to release of Fast Panda.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant Okay. The second single, Civil Sin, was released
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  Speaker 4: around September of two thousand and five.
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  Speaker 12: Great song, Let's sad.
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  Speaker 4: And actually that song also appeared on FIFA seven, one
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  Speaker 4: of the big sort of games console games at that time,
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  Speaker 4: which clearly gave them a huge huge amount of.
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  Speaker 2: Exposing that were massive.
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  Speaker 1: Those games were massive of the that would have been
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  Speaker 1: a huge bit of exposure for them.
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  Speaker 2: Really good.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So those early gigs they opened the Radio One
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  Speaker 4: Enemy stage at the Reading and Leeds Festival had support
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  Speaker 4: slots with bands that you and I both really love,
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  Speaker 4: Hard Fire, Maximum Park, the Rakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I saw them.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, they had an Enemy tour of small bands and
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  Speaker 1: they had three on the three bands on the lineup
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  Speaker 1: every time me and you know, Tomo, we went together
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  Speaker 1: to the roadmend to see them and the three bands
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  Speaker 1: that are advertised. For sure, the top one was different
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  Speaker 1: than the advert Boy Kill Boy we saw first. I
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  Speaker 1: think we knew Susie, so it was the one song
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  Speaker 1: we knew only they were great. The second band was
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  Speaker 1: the Rakes, which were great. Then the third band, now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who we expected to see. I think
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  Speaker 1: it might have been Hard Fire all the Cribs actually,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't them. Who came on as a band
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  Speaker 1: we never even heard of, and they blew us away.
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  Speaker 1: That was Maximo Park.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. As I said, two thousand and six was sort
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  Speaker 4: of peak rise of Boy Killed Boy, and they had
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  Speaker 4: their sort of breakout single back again, and we played
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  Speaker 4: that at the beginning of the episode. But they also
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  Speaker 4: re released Susie and it was much more successful this time,
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  Speaker 4: getting to number seventeen in the ukhl and as I
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  Speaker 4: Say also appeared on the racing game Test Drive Unlimited.
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  Speaker 4: In May of two thousand and six, they released their
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  Speaker 4: debut album Civilians, and that's the album they're going to
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  Speaker 4: play in full at the Reunion twentieth anniversary Reunion concert
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  Speaker 4: in October in London at London Skyls.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a great album, really great album.
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  Speaker 4: Reached number sixteen in the charts and we've mentioned some
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  Speaker 4: of the key tracks there Back Again, Susie's Civil Sin
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  Speaker 4: and so on, but there's still plenty more on there.
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  Speaker 4: It was produced by a guy called John Cornfield and
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  Speaker 4: interesting love he's also going to be the sound guy
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  Speaker 4: in this anniversary show in London now.
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  Speaker 1: John Corfield is quite interesting because he has his own studio,
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  Speaker 1: he's got his own place dan in. Cornwall's obviously recorded
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, so bands have been down there
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  Speaker 1: and recorded with him and he's produced a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He's also mixed a lot of stuff as well, so
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  Speaker 1: between the mix and the producing, he's done so many bands.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them just of notes would be Muse, New Model, Army, Supergrass,
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  Speaker 1: Razor Light and the Stone Roses.
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  Speaker 4: Two thousand and six, they went on this we're doing
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  Speaker 4: major tours at this point, the Enemy New Music Tour,
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  Speaker 4: of which they were headliners. And about other bands on
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  Speaker 4: that tour, for example, the bands like the Automatic, Long Blondes,
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  Speaker 4: some others as well, Ford Russia, Howling Bells, just to
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  Speaker 4: name a couple. Obviously some of the key venues around
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  Speaker 4: the country in Bristol, Manchester and so on. And apparently
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  Speaker 4: that tour was quite chaotic because Chris pet used to
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  Speaker 4: stage dive into the crowd. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: did that when you saw them, but note that I recall, okay,
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  Speaker 4: but you can see that, you know, they were getting,
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  Speaker 4: you know, bigger acts that they were touring with, Echo
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  Speaker 4: and the Bunnyman, Charlatan's, the Kooks and so on. And
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  Speaker 4: then they also performed Susie on Top of the Pops
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  Speaker 4: once again, Top of the Pops being a key even
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  Speaker 4: in the mid two thousands was a key, key program, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And the one thing I did notice was that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't do any John Poole sessions actually, which is very
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  Speaker 1: unusual for a band of that era. But and Lisa
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  Speaker 1: got on Top of the Pots was the other big thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Then into the following year two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 4: where they started to sort of they were still touring,
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  Speaker 4: they started to build up towards their second album, and
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  Speaker 4: clearly the massive success of Civilian meant that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there was probably quite high expectation for this sort of
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  Speaker 4: second album. Whilst they were still appearing at some of
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  Speaker 4: those those big festivals, reading leads and so on, lots
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  Speaker 4: of European ones, they were doing sessions on you know,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Wiley, like the Live Lounge for example, on Radio One. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: that all led to a release of their second album,
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  Speaker 4: Stars and the Seat in March of two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 4: and that got to number ninety eight in the UK charts,
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  Speaker 4: so perhaps not achieving some of the higher chart positions
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  Speaker 4: that Civilian.
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  Speaker 2: Did, but that was produced by Dave Sardi.
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  Speaker 1: Now Dave sided very interesting, a little look at him
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  Speaker 1: and fascinating that he's got so much work under his belt.
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  Speaker 1: He's done a lot of films, scores, so films like
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, Jump Street to Zoolander. There's a massive list
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  Speaker 1: of films that he's done the score for and he's
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  Speaker 1: had loads and loads of producing and mixing of bands.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we talked about the kind
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  Speaker 1: of bands that we've covered on the podcast, probably a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them would be on there also. The bigger
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  Speaker 1: ones would be Supergrass, Oasis, the Rolling Stones, who I mean,
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  Speaker 1: some massive stuff. And actually he also produced and mixed
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  Speaker 1: the song you Know My Name by Chris Cornell, which
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  Speaker 1: is obviously the big theme song. You're a massive James
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  Speaker 1: Bond fan on Casino Royale.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, great song that is yes, So I mean
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  Speaker 4: as I say the album was. The critics I think
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  Speaker 4: were quite lukewarm on it. I think sounds were disappointing.
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  Speaker 4: Had a single Promises in two thousand and eight, which
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  Speaker 4: is actually a really good song.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great song.
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  Speaker 7: Is promises.
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  Speaker 13: That to be broken instruct that's forgotten honestly of alogy
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  Speaker 13: of alogy. Here's my confession. I am from my lesson
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  Speaker 13: long befoll sochse the crimes, oppose the fears, the truth
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  Speaker 13: behind the soul it is.
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  Speaker 5: I'll find my way back from the Star's embassy.
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  Speaker 7: This kind of judge is not be to me. I'll
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  Speaker 7: find my way back on Jessy's agency.
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  Speaker 5: This sparation is.
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  Speaker 7: A better me.
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  Speaker 10: O.
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  Speaker 13: Promisays no promises. YouTube dismissin are a bit Dismissa, John
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  Speaker 13: Phone Blogy, it's no bologies.
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  Speaker 7: Did you turn this round to?
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  Speaker 13: And anometers going on long fall.
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  Speaker 14: So so it's the crimes that pose the fears, the
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  Speaker 14: truth behind the cubits.
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  Speaker 7: I'll mind my way back from mast.
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  Speaker 4: So there was moments, but ultimately, whilst they were still
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  Speaker 4: touring it doing things like v Festival and the Camden
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  Speaker 4: Crawl and so on. But the album, you know, didn't
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  Speaker 4: sell well and they lost momentum, and of course, unfortunately
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  Speaker 4: in October of that year two doesn't it that they
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  Speaker 4: sort officially split up, ending what was a four year run.
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  Speaker 4: Effectively there are to the band. The members moved on
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  Speaker 4: to a variety of different careers. Chris Peck carried on
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  Speaker 4: releasing some solo demos online, Pete Carr interesting enough, tour
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  Speaker 4: as a keyboardist with Marina and Diamonds, and keV Chase
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  Speaker 4: became a session musician and DJ. Fast forward to twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 4: that's when ten years of Civilian, the ten year anniversary
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  Speaker 4: of Civilian, the band reunited again and they did a
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  Speaker 4: couple of sold out gigs in November twenty sixteen, and
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  Speaker 4: they said at the time that it was a sort
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  Speaker 4: of proper goodbye show. They then did another one off
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  Speaker 4: show in twenty eighteen standalone London gig, but no they
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  Speaker 4: had no new music were followed and as I said
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  Speaker 4: earlier on this year twenty twenty six, it's the twentieth
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  Speaker 4: anniversary reunion of Civilian at the Skala in London at
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  Speaker 4: the back end of October. So that's sold out now
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh great much.
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  Speaker 1: That was really really interesting. The great enow to have
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  Speaker 1: a chat with Chris find out a little bit more.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome to the podcast, Chris, thank you, thanks for having me, guys,
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  Speaker 9: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so before we talking more in general about the band,
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  Speaker 4: obviously you've got the big event coming up this year
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  Speaker 4: which is terrific, the twentieth anniversary gig at the end
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  Speaker 4: of October. And obviously I managed to get some tickets
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  Speaker 4: for that, Chris, So, which is.
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  Speaker 9: Great, true, man, that's amazing quick didn't they?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say we pleased it sold
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  Speaker 4: out so quickly.
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  Speaker 15: I mean yeah, I mean to be honest with you, man,
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  Speaker 15: I was really like, I was quite nervous about it
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  Speaker 15: because the rest of the guys, you know, we've been
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  Speaker 15: talking about how we're going to mark this, and it
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  Speaker 15: was getting a bit a bit closer to the closer
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  Speaker 15: to the date of like the year.
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  Speaker 9: Basically it's like, shit, what we're going to do.
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  Speaker 15: And we got in touch with our old management or
• 18:45
  Speaker 15: one of the guys from our old management, and he
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  Speaker 15: got a little team together and some people that we've
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  Speaker 15: worked with before, and they were saying straight away the
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  Speaker 15: Skylight and I was like, it's just a bit big,
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  Speaker 15: isn't it. You know, it just felt like a bit
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  Speaker 15: too adventurous, to be honest with you. You know, like
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  Speaker 15: it just the tickets just flew out on that same day.
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  Speaker 15: I mean I just could not believe it. Lots of
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  Speaker 15: our friends didn't manage to get them in the end,
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  Speaker 15: and you know, so, yeah, I'm massively hyped about it.
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  Speaker 15: You know, We've got some fun things lined up as well.
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  Speaker 15: I can't confirm the support just yet, hopefully know who
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  Speaker 15: that's going to be. But I've got like, we've got
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  Speaker 15: our old producer, John Cornfield, who recorded the first album,
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  Speaker 15: is going to do the sound for us that night,
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  Speaker 15: which is going to be pretty special because he's still
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  Speaker 15: out there doing bands and things like that. And yeah,
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  Speaker 15: I just got like an old school team, like even
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  Speaker 15: our old sort of like texts and stuff for like
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  Speaker 15: they say they're going to be available. We'll see when
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  Speaker 15: we get the other date. But you know it would
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  Speaker 15: be it's going to be a nice family affair, put
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  Speaker 15: it that way, and.
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  Speaker 9: We're really excited. Man.
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  Speaker 15: We had had some rehearsals recently, and it's amazing how
• 19:46
  Speaker 15: quick we just locked back in.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, it's just bizarre.
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  Speaker 15: We did play things a little bit slowly at first,
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  Speaker 15: because you know, twenty years later from the original version
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  Speaker 15: you tend to naturally so, but you know, we're still
• 20:00
  Speaker 15: getting ahead around that and sort of that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: But yeah, sounds good already.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Man, did they take any kind of thing to get
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: to do it?
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: Was there?
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Was it like a you know, the band, We're all
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: up for it straight away, to.
• 20:13
  Speaker 15: Be honest with you, like, I mean, look, we all
• 20:16
  Speaker 15: reached out to each other and we were kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 15: like slightly awkward, like a bit like you're asking someone
• 20:19
  Speaker 15: out on a date. It's like kind of like, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 15: I was just wondering, you know, and we were sort
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: of saying, are we thinking of doing anything?
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: Or like should I get excited about this kind of thing?
• 20:29
  Speaker 15: And you know, and and we started kind of throwing
• 20:32
  Speaker 15: around some ideas and I was kind of always saying like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 15: I wouldn't mind doing something unless if it's got some
• 20:38
  Speaker 15: new material attached to it. But yeah, again, I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 15: it's I mean, the rest of the guys haven't been
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: playing in bands for a while, not like not since
• 20:47
  Speaker 15: the last ten years anyway, and I have, I've been playing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 15: I've got like a cover band with some friends, which
• 20:53
  Speaker 15: we enjoy playing. And you know, they're all sort of
• 20:56
  Speaker 15: ex pros or whatever you want to call it. Like,
• 20:58
  Speaker 15: you know, it's just like everyone just like playing songs
• 21:00
  Speaker 15: that they like to play. And you know, we sort
• 21:03
  Speaker 15: of had a bit of a sort of side hustle,
• 21:05
  Speaker 15: so my kind of itch in a way was already
• 21:09
  Speaker 15: scratched kind of, you know, like albeit in a very
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: low key version. And it's quite different when it's not
• 21:15
  Speaker 15: your own music, obviously, but it is completely different, you know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 15: getting in that room recently with the boys and playing
• 21:21
  Speaker 15: and resurrecting all those old.
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: Songs, it is truly special.
• 21:24
  Speaker 15: And you know, obviously for all those years we've been
• 21:27
  Speaker 15: in touch with our kind of band base or followers
• 21:30
  Speaker 15: or friends or whatever that you know, online and it is.
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: It is quite amazing how active it kind of is really,
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: and not just not just that, but with all sorts
• 21:40
  Speaker 15: of people that you can never imagine, like people all
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: over the world really who are sort of telling us
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: stories and dming us how many and most really important
• 21:50
  Speaker 15: moments it's been in their lives and all that kind
• 21:53
  Speaker 15: of stuff. So then when we announced it started putting
• 21:56
  Speaker 15: the fooders out there, it was like it was a
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: sure fire decision, real like, we're definitely going to go
• 22:00
  Speaker 15: for this, this is the right thing to do.
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I was talking about my son earlier. He's a
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: massive boy kill Boy fan right right from back in
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: the day. Yeah, so he's in the mid thirties now,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: but yeah, Ian his name, but he's he's coming with me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: So he's absolutely made up that he can that he
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: can see the band, you know, so which is fantastically mate.
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: Well listen, you know, we definitely need to have a
• 22:26
  Speaker 15: little catch up with you and in afterwards, man, because
• 22:29
  Speaker 15: you know, like I say, I wanted to be a
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: real family affair, and you know, it's kind of a
• 22:34
  Speaker 15: real special opportunity, isn't it for us all? Or to
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: like link and join up and massive, just like it's
• 22:39
  Speaker 15: a big celebration, man, Like that's what it is. It's
• 22:42
  Speaker 15: like we're one of those bands I think where you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 15: if you'd heard of us, then you're either kind of
• 22:48
  Speaker 15: one way or the other. We weren't really big enough
• 22:51
  Speaker 15: to receive a huge amount of backlash, to be honest
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: with you, I'm sure it was all going on behind
• 22:55
  Speaker 15: the scenes, and maybe we just weren't pointed in the
• 22:58
  Speaker 15: direction of those kind of channels, you know. But like
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: I'm sure we're a bit of a marmte band, you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 15: but there are people that are really passionate about it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: And so that's the kind of stuff that blows my
• 23:09
  Speaker 15: mind and it makes me realize that we're making the
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: right decisions when you know, creatively going one way or
• 23:16
  Speaker 15: the other. And we weren't an obvious band in the
• 23:19
  Speaker 15: sense that like we weren't fitting into a complete niche
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: or like a kind of we weren't fitting into a
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: scene very obviously, I think, you know, although we started
• 23:30
  Speaker 15: off in East London with you know, all the other
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: East London bands, which we were big around that time,
• 23:34
  Speaker 15: and we would say probably that was the nearest scene.
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: We were kind of anyway attached to. But I was
• 23:40
  Speaker 15: really keen on pursuing the ambition of kind of not
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: following a code of what we needed to sound like.
• 23:48
  Speaker 15: And I guess we're also very lucky with the team
• 23:50
  Speaker 15: that we had around us that supported that, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 15: which would say, yeah, like shoot Me Down is a
• 23:54
  Speaker 15: wicked song and that needs to be released, even though
• 23:57
  Speaker 15: it probably wasn't going to be like a massive sales thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 15: I think we released that through war Child at the end.
• 24:03
  Speaker 15: I mean, that's quite sentimental song, you know, with a
• 24:06
  Speaker 15: video to go with it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: It's hard to say house in the life, I lost
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: my way, lost my way, my.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: You should have left, should have left not It's no mistake,
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: no mistake, shooting well to say it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 15: I was quite mad doing that video actually, because I
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: kept I had to do it. I had a stunt man,
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: but I had to do some of the stunts myself,
• 25:29
  Speaker 15: like jumping backwards off of like huge great stairwells and stuff.
• 25:32
  Speaker 15: And it ended up at the end where I had
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: all this fake blood in my mouth and I had
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: to cough it up into my face and I coughed
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: it all out of my mouth whilst singing the words
• 25:41
  Speaker 15: or miming the words this camera above my head. I mean,
• 25:44
  Speaker 15: I've never done anything like this before, and everyone's standing
• 25:47
  Speaker 15: around looking down at me, and I might singing shoot
• 25:49
  Speaker 15: me down with this splurting out blood and.
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: It went in my eyes and my eyes went red
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: and I kind of carried on going.
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: It's like the rest of the boys said afterwards, it
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: was really emotional watching because they were just like, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: looked really like you were going through it. But unfortunately
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: that version didn't get out because it was a bit
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: too gruesome. It was a bit too blood thirsty, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: then so they used the more sort of mellow one.
• 26:10
  Speaker 15: But yeah, it was good fun, for good fun shooting
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: that video.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Excellent stuff.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So, going right back in time, when you first got
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: into music, what kind of stuff were you listening to?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: What were kind of you influenced by?
• 26:19
  Speaker 15: You know, well, when I was really little, it was
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: about things like adamant. I justsed up like Adaman once
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: I've got my mum to stressed me up, and I
• 26:26
  Speaker 15: went up and down the driveway and people would be
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: laughing at me and stuff. I didn't quite understand why,
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: because I honestly thought that I kind of was Adam Man.
• 26:32
  Speaker 15: But I was only about six at the time, but
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: you know, he was on the TV a lot, on
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: kids' TV, and it was like, yeah, I want to
• 26:38
  Speaker 15: dress up like that kind of weird, pirate, sort of dandy,
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: slightly girly thing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: I don't know, I was like, so Mum was cool,
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: she went with it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: My next door neighbor then gave me an album because
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: he used to work at Decca Records, so he had
• 26:49
  Speaker 15: a whole room full of records and he came out
• 26:51
  Speaker 15: and gave me the Dog Eat Dog album, and I
• 26:54
  Speaker 15: as my reward, probably to get me off the driveway
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: apart from anything else, and went inside and that record
• 27:00
  Speaker 15: to death man. It was quite alternative for a little
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: boy as I was. But then years later got into
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: Prince again, which kind of funny enough. Has that got
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: that same sort of royalty sort of twisted sort of
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: genderly thing going on as well, Like I really loved Prince,
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: really really got into his music. I don't know, I
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: kind of Then eventually, when I grew up, got a
• 27:19
  Speaker 15: grunge band together in school and was playing three cord songs,
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: and it wasn't long after learning a whole bunch of
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: grunge songs until I started writing my own songs. But
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: I wasn't the singer. I was the guitarist and songwriter.
• 27:32
  Speaker 15: My friend Ben Griffiths was this gorgeous singing, gorgeous voice
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: and gorgeous guy to be honest, Ben, and he was
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: the front man of Your Dreams when we were a teenager,
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: especially for the.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: Girls and stuff.
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: But yeah, and then in that scene we kind of
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: met Shaz who was from another school. But Shads the
• 27:48
  Speaker 15: Drama was in a kind of brick pop sort of band,
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: and they were kind of like pretty boys with a
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: female singer.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: And then suddenly they were like the band to go to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 15: I don't know, all the girls would go to that
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: see them play, you know, because like there are these
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: pretty little indie boys, you know. And we were a
• 28:06
  Speaker 15: bit more grungy and stinky looking, but it was funny.
• 28:08
  Speaker 15: We'd never would have thought all those years later that
• 28:11
  Speaker 15: we would have joined forces, you know. When we finished
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: university eventually and came back to Essex, Chaz was like
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: and his mate Jim, who played bass with him, was like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: you wn to join up and do some stuff. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 15: then eventually Pete came and joined and we started this
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: band called Future of junior and we toured a lot
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: around like London particularly, and just played as much as possible,
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: and we made some really cool recordings by the end
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: of it, and like we were sort of took a
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: year out of school and thought this is it, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: we're going to do it, and we were young and
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: had a bit of a look about us and stuff.
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: But apparently the songs just weren't strong enough like that,
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: there weren't enough singles. Basically, it was the feedback from
• 28:49
  Speaker 15: the industry and the bass player left. We kind of thought, oh, well,
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: that's the end of that then, and then we sort
• 28:56
  Speaker 15: of slowly kind of got back into each other's lives.
• 28:58
  Speaker 15: Met keV the bass player, joined us, rebooted brand new songs,
• 29:03
  Speaker 15: and Boy kill Boy was kind of born from there.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: When did you start playing guitar?
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: Then?
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: Well, it was weird because when I was in secondary school,
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: when I was about kind of thirteen, I just go
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: to house parties and it was a lot about dance
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: music at the time, especially in my area. The guys
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: would be listening to house and acid house and stuff
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: like that. And then one of the DJs played this
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: remix of a Hendrix Crosstown traffic remix with a big
• 29:25
  Speaker 15: break beat behind it. It was used on and I
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: believe izab or something, and I was like, this is cool.
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: What's that sound? And this guy who was also there,
• 29:34
  Speaker 15: who was a guitarist, was like, that's a guitar mate.
• 29:37
  Speaker 15: It was like, that sounds really amazing. He was like, well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: you don't you know, and he kind of and then
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: he sort of took me under his wing. He was
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: older than me, but he sort of kind of taught
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: me how to play really and then eventually I had
• 29:47
  Speaker 15: this quite a good ear for it, and the guitar
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: teacher was like, how are you picking this up so quickly?
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: It's a bit unusual.
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: And then and then we worked out maybe because when
• 29:54
  Speaker 15: I was very little, when I was about nine, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: was after boarding school and I one of the things
• 29:59
  Speaker 15: I had to do there was to learn the cello.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: So you know, he was kind of making sense of that,
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: kind of going.
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: Oh, well, you probably worked you know, yeah, that probably
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: helped out your your journey a little bit with your
• 30:08
  Speaker 15: fingers and your you know, all that kind stuff. But
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: my dad always played acoustic guitar when we were little,
• 30:12
  Speaker 15: and when it came to like my birthday parties instead
• 30:15
  Speaker 15: of going to McDonald's and bowling or you know whatever
• 30:18
  Speaker 15: cool shit everyone really wanted to do, like laser tag
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: or whatever. It was like people had to come around
• 30:23
  Speaker 15: and listen to my dad play like Streets of London
• 30:28
  Speaker 15: songs about old Molly Malone and they were like, oh, great,
• 30:31
  Speaker 15: Chris's party is coming up. And so to be honest
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: with you, like he said, I remember him saying to
• 30:37
  Speaker 15: me when I was about eleven or twelve, it was like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: one day you'll be like, you'll be wearing flares and
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: you'll play the guitar just like me. Don't worry about it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 15: And yeah, I could never imagine it. But funny enough
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: that fashion came in. Man, the flares came in. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 15: was in a band, long hair, you know, this mid
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: teenager and Dad was like, I told you so, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 15: he used to let me. He gave me his flares
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: that he used to work back in the day. So
• 30:58
  Speaker 15: I was well made up. But yeah, mad crazy.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: So future Junior, when you were sort of playing gee
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: said around London, have you got any sort of memorable
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: sports lots or any memorable gigs from that era? Oh?
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: Man, it was like one of the worst days of
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: my life. It was at the old what was it
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: called Me and Fiddler.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was that was a real aspirational gig
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: to get and my my my dad sort of arranged
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: for this guy, Manny Elias that used to be Intos
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: for Fears and run a little studio around the corner
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and got.
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: Him to come along, and some industry people were there
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: and we were really like this is like the pinnacle
• 31:38
  Speaker 15: of our of our time. We really were running out
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: of time in our year out of other guys in
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: the band were like wondering whether they should go to
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: university or not. And you know, it was like kind
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: of crunch time, and there's a lot hanging on this gig.
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: We'd hired a coach to get people from Essex out there,
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: which cost us a fortune. You know, it was all
• 31:54
  Speaker 15: just like mental really, it's like it's so much pressure.
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: We and I broke three strings in a row, like
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: three strings, like bam bam, trying trying, trying like this,
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: and I was so pissed off that I've actually just
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: walked off stage, which I had never done before and
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: never done since. But you can imagine, you know, me
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: like scrabbling around trying to make it work, and then
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: another one's gone, and then another one's gone, and there's
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: a couple of songs left in the set, and I
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: just walked off the rest of the guys like what
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: do we do here?
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: And then a mate of my run backstage was like, Chris,
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: what was going on there? And I was like, don't
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: want to talk to you.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: You know. He gave me a pint and was like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: sorry to see that. Man. That was that was awkward.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: By the way, Ray Davis was in the audience. Did
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: you see him? And I was just like, oh, that's wonderful. Thanks.
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: And being so young, I mean, we're only like nineteen,
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: you know, it was just like it was devastating, to
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: be honest. And you know, I went and spoke to
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: this guy, Manny afterwards, and he said, listen, man, you're
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: not there yet. You know, you're not there yet, but
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: did all this stuff is good experience for you, because
• 32:51
  Speaker 15: it's all there to challenge you.
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: And I was like, very much.
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: And you know, it wasn't long after there that the
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: boys sort of peeled off one by one and he
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: applied to off the university and that was and that
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: was well, actually, that wasn't the future of what am
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: I talking about?
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: That was kind of that was enough.
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: That was my school band called Space Dog, and then
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah exactly and then Future of Junior, which was my
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: band when we sort of reconnected after university. Was We're
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: just doing all those gigs around London over and over again,
• 33:21
  Speaker 15: Dublin Castle, you know, a buffalo by, you know, just
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: smashing it, smash it, smash it. And it was just
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: like people would come, like there was a guy called
• 33:29
  Speaker 15: flash Tailor that used to come and watch us, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 15: he was just like waiting those jazs as well. Like
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: basically some people were like kind of had their eye
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: on us. We were just waiting for us to write
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: some pop songs basically, some like catchy singles. And eventually
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: our bass player got kind of pinched, got got pinched
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: by another band that we were really good friends with
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: and we're in our little community and they got they
• 33:53
  Speaker 15: just got signed to Ireland and they needed a new
• 33:55
  Speaker 15: bass player, so they pinched hours off of us, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: we all had a big falling out and we were
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: so gutted that we we kind of we broke up
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: there and then it's like that was the end of it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: We just thought, well, it's over.
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: You know, lost our bass player, it's over, and we've
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: lost the race, you know, it is all that kind
• 34:12
  Speaker 15: of stuff. It just felt like, well, you know, you
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: might have to rethink. So had a bit of time
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: out and then and then eventually we realized we're missing
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: it too much, really, and I think we realized when
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: we got back together again, me and Shaz and Pete
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: keyboard player, we got in touch with me said look,
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: we do want to we want to keep doing stuff
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: for any old reason other than just just to enjoy it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: And I sort of said this time, I'm not like
• 34:37
  Speaker 15: going to I'm not going to overthink what we're doing.
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: I'm not going to try and fit into anything. I'm
• 34:41
  Speaker 15: just literally going to play a song that's going to
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: be this vibe and then another song, Like I just
• 34:45
  Speaker 15: want to get my songs out there, and if you're
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: happy for that to be a bit of a no
• 34:49
  Speaker 15: rule supply thing, then let's just do it. And it's weird,
• 34:52
  Speaker 15: isn't it, Because as soon as you sort of don't
• 34:54
  Speaker 15: really care about what anyone thinks, then it all starts
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: to kind of fit into place. Like we did our
• 35:00
  Speaker 15: first gig in the water Rats, which which was which,
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: which wasn't going to be great for us because we
• 35:07
  Speaker 15: had a relationship with the water Rats, a really good
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: relationship with the water Ats. But they said they had
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: to cancel our support, our support slot show. We didn't
• 35:18
  Speaker 15: want to be supporting any big bands at all. We
• 35:20
  Speaker 15: wanted to be supporting very small bands because we didn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: want anyone to know about us for a while. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: then they were like, no, no, no, there's this really
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: big night coming up.
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: You've got to go.
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: It's going to be really big, it's going to be
• 35:31
  Speaker 15: crawling with industry. It's literally like a golden ticket. You
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: cannot turn it down. And we were like, we haven't
• 35:35
  Speaker 15: done a gig yet, you know, like we literally totally
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: don't know our arsen our elbow, and they're, well, listen,
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: this is the last of it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: You have to take this gig. So anyway, we took it, and.
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: That gig was was hard, was hard fire, hardly a
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: water Rats and they had just done like that a
• 35:53
  Speaker 15: single release. I don't even know was it even their
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: album release, I can't remember, but anyway, probably single release.
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: If it was in the water Rats, I don't know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: but anyway, and they were lovely guys and they were
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: very welcome to us, and like you know, and we
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: played and we fitted in kind of weirdly well like
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: you know, but really got to see on stage that
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: sort of punchy, poppy sound. And then then weirdly later
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: on well actually no, not weirdly, because in that venue,
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: then the agent's Hard Fire agents saw us and we're like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: you know, we need to get these guys on board.
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: And then management, not hard Fire's management, but another management
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: company was there and they picked us up very quickly
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: as well, and so before you knew, it was like
• 36:34
  Speaker 15: suddenly we had management and an agent. And then the
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: people who were there who were friends with us, sort
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: of from Future of Junior for example, someone like Flash Taylor,
• 36:43
  Speaker 15: who was with Sony Publishing. He then came to see
• 36:46
  Speaker 15: us as Boy kill Boy and was like, yes, it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: like you're ready now, like now you're cooking kind of thing. Yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's sort of organically fit into place rather quickly,
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: and then eventually we had this sort of like kind
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: of slight bidding war between Atlantic Universal and that was
• 37:01
  Speaker 15: a lot of interesting journey in itself, but yeah, we
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: we sort of chose to go, not forgetting our fierce
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: Panda relationship. Obviously, that was where we had our first single,
• 37:12
  Speaker 15: and you know, that was kind of a real dip
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: in the ocean, dipping our toes in the ocean, because
• 37:17
  Speaker 15: that was then suddenly getting us radio play, and it
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: was like suddenly mates being like I heard you on
• 37:21
  Speaker 15: XFM and you know, all this kind of stuff. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 15: suddenly I got a phone call from Zane Lowe from
• 37:28
  Speaker 15: out of nowhere saying like I've just heard you, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 15: like I've heard that you're the singer of the band
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: I used to work at MTV years ago, and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 15: didn't even he didn't know that I was the singer,
• 37:38
  Speaker 15: and I hadn't been in touch with him, so he
• 37:40
  Speaker 15: was just like, why didn't you tell me?
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: So he was like, may have been playing your record, like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: which is really good news.
• 37:46
  Speaker 15: And so yeah, you know, like we just started sort
• 37:48
  Speaker 15: of having some really good news, like just getting bits
• 37:51
  Speaker 15: out there and the word got out kind of thing.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Fantastic get the water right to say, with the hard Fire,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you guys would have been a mega gig.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: They're two great bands.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: Thanks man.
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: Well, we end up supporting them a couple of little
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: support slots years later. Yeah, you know, so I thought
• 38:06
  Speaker 15: they probably thought we were hanging on their coat tails
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: a little bit, you know, but they're you know, they're
• 38:10
  Speaker 15: got really good lads. And we went to go and
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: see their reunion show in Kentish Town a few years
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: ago and it kind of got us back together going
• 38:17
  Speaker 15: a little bit. And yeah, they're you know, still they're
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: still doing it. I haven't heard the new stuff. I've
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: had a little clip of one of their new songs.
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: It sounds really really punchy, like really powerful.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So brilliant, brilliant stuff.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: So going back to in those early days, was it
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: you know, and obviously you were writing, was there like
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: one song maybe that you felt, oh that, well, I
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: think we've got we've found our sound, you know.
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Well the first song that we did with Boy
• 38:45
  Speaker 15: Cure Boy was a song called Number One that is
• 38:48
  Speaker 15: on the B side of some sort and it's really
• 38:52
  Speaker 15: like erratic and like a bit schizophrenic kind of sounding,
• 38:58
  Speaker 15: and it's very dissonant and it's got loads of sort
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: of wonky moments to it, and we really got off
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: on that and we were like, you know, this is
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: really this is really fun rather than just sort of
• 39:08
  Speaker 15: like just romantic chord use and stuff. It was like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 15: this is going to be like we should definitely keep
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: going down this.
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: Road, singing something.
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: This sniping.
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: And just thinking like everything needs to be slightly like
• 40:17
  Speaker 15: have a slight quirk to it, if possible, whether it's
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: just like a key change that goes on, or whether
• 40:22
  Speaker 15: it's like the rhythm or something like that, and so
• 40:25
  Speaker 15: that's real punchiness.
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: We got like kind of addicted to.
• 40:29
  Speaker 15: Susie came along and was just like one of those
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: little moments where you're like, you know, how does this happen?
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: This is wicked, this is well catching, you know, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: I keep thinking like maybe I've accidentally sort of sort
• 40:42
  Speaker 15: of sponged this or somewhere else.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: I might have done.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I hope not.
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: I mean sometimes I kind of listen to things and go, oh, yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 15: that does sound a bit like that, and maybe that
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: kind of has the same sort of melody as that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 15: But ultimately when we played it live, it's like you
• 40:55
  Speaker 15: can kind of tell the room just sort of changes
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: temperature and shape and you know the dynamics, and you
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: kind of go, all right, this.
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: Is this is what we should be doing.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: This is not a move.
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: Things are seeing the same as a very video I
• 41:17
  Speaker 16: started back the movement he makes to use a very
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: nice super suitor.
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: With Amy John shot it talk to a suz I
• 41:33
  Speaker 14: con sad to Amoni dont and they said, don't let
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: me down. They said, don't let me down. Le chapter
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: captain count down.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: To any supportment your counter really know what that's sunny,
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: fool like you around sign on to make you read it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: I never want to do.
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: And of course as soon as you get a single
• 42:31
  Speaker 15: like that, then you're everyone around you it's like, write
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: more of that, more of that. Of course you know
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: they want more of that, and you know, like we
• 42:38
  Speaker 15: definitely didn't follow the same patterns as that song, but yeah,
• 42:42
  Speaker 15: I kind of got the idea a bit more now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: So Future of Junior was like had loads of creative
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: moments and probably some like dynamics that were cool and
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: fun to show off about and all this kind of stuff.
• 42:53
  Speaker 15: Maybe a bit songs are a bit long, like remember
• 42:55
  Speaker 15: it's now it's like, don't bor us get to the
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: chorus and just try and keep it a bit more
• 42:59
  Speaker 15: like direct to the point.
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: And we kind of enjoyed that challenge.
• 43:02
  Speaker 15: It's like it's kind of like you know, only being
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: equipped with a certain few tools, and like the keyboards
• 43:09
  Speaker 15: really critical, like we could have the piano there, but
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: the strings and the synth were kind of like our
• 43:15
  Speaker 15: main tool palette, our paint palette kind of thing there,
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: and we're just thinking, well, if we stick to the
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: same sort of palette, then it will all start to
• 43:22
  Speaker 15: sound like a group of songs hopefully, you know.
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: That was kind of the idea.
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: But yeah, like you know, then sibyl Sin came along,
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: and sibyl Sin just sounds like nothing out of nothing
• 43:32
  Speaker 15: else that we'd done before, and almost a bit kind
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: of emo e and dark and gothic, and that was
• 43:38
  Speaker 15: probably directly influenced from eighties Matchbox Beeline Disaster for me.
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: And the vocals even are a bit kind of like
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: a sort of probably like a really poor invitation of that,
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: like like guys amazing, astounding vocals. But yeah, so like
• 44:00
  Speaker 15: you know, I guess it was just starting to to
• 44:03
  Speaker 15: amalgamate the things that I was listening to and just
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: going through that set of tools and just seeing if
• 44:08
  Speaker 15: we could kind of make any sense of cohesion.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: You know, because civil scene that I mean, there's a
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: great song, but also as you were saying earlier, got
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: on to FIFA. I mean, how does a song like
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: that get onto I.
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: Don't know, other than thanks very much to Flash Taylor
• 44:25
  Speaker 15: and his mob over a Sony Records, Sony Sorry, Sony Publishing,
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: and I guess they did have like the link to
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: PlayStation and things like that, So Sony, you know, so
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: maybe maybe we're were were we were lucky, and we
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: made the right decision to kind of kind of help
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: let those guys lead us. And like I say, for Flash,
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: who was really like already part of our sort of family,
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: even though nothing had been linked business wise up until
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: that point, but we felt quite passionate to keep it,
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: you know, team based if we could, you know. Mean,
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: so we were really really tough that Sony wanted to
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: have us, and they were the first people to sort
• 45:06
  Speaker 15: of put the money down, and that enabled us to
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: leave our jobs.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: I was working in a wagon mama at the time.
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: Pete was working in a post room and a big
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: company and so he got to print outloads of our
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: flyers for free and send those.
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: Out for us, you know, So we were still all
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: trying to make it work.
• 45:23
  Speaker 15: But of course, as soon as you get to you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 15: there's a point, isn't there where you kind of go, right, it's.
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: A business time. Now, let's let's let's step it up.
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: And I remember the management saying, like, you know, go
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: away and have have a week of holiday because when
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: you come back, you aren't going to have a day
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: off for as long as I.
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: Am working with you. Basically, that's my promise to you.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: I'm afraid.
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: And so I went to Thailand on my own, which
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: is the weirdest thing to be spent all this money
• 45:52
  Speaker 15: because suddenly we'd had like a bit of money in
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: our pocket. And I just remember getting like boats and
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: boats and planes and just sat at this really posh
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: end of the beach where probably all the twats were
• 46:01
  Speaker 15: like me, you know, rather than one of those nice
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: little cheap bungalows.
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: I was like, I thought, I've got some money, I
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: spend it on a nice fancy one.
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: But yeah, no, it was it was quite right. As
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: soon as you got back, it was just non stop.
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: And we were in Pete the other day sent us
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: like a document like Outlook documents, I don't know, some
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: sort of thing, and it was like all of our
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: tour dates for like a couple of years and it
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: was just it was amazing to look back over it
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: and just go, wow, that was we really say goodbye
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: to everyone, you know, like we said goodbye, and which
• 46:37
  Speaker 15: was a challenge in many ways because obviously, you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 15: it's pretty hard keeping relationships going when you're in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: middle of that sort of a new experience and a
• 46:46
  Speaker 15: new life, but also just friends and family, and you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 15: you stop getting invites to things after a while, you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: because you start, you know, you're replying firstly with yeah, mate,
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: so I'm really sorry, we're going to be doing this,
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: and then it's like, well, I'm booking you in for
• 47:00
  Speaker 15: six months time, so now you've got to make that
• 47:01
  Speaker 15: and you're like, I can't book anything in it. I
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: can't commit to anything because I just can't, you know.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: And it was weird.
• 47:09
  Speaker 15: So eventually people sort of not not cut you off
• 47:11
  Speaker 15: in a horrible way, but they you know, they're really
• 47:13
  Speaker 15: proud and.
• 47:13
  Speaker 9: Happy for you.
• 47:14
  Speaker 15: But and then when you come home, you come off
• 47:17
  Speaker 15: of a tour and you're just like buzzing because you're
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: obviously just been on tour and you know, being all
• 47:23
  Speaker 15: over the place and met this person and that person,
• 47:25
  Speaker 15: been partying here and probably you know, becoming a bit
• 47:29
  Speaker 15: unhealthy and all that kind of stuff. And then you
• 47:31
  Speaker 15: come home and your mates are just living life as
• 47:33
  Speaker 15: you know, quite rightly, just getting on with things. I
• 47:34
  Speaker 15: don't want to roll out a red carpet for you
• 47:36
  Speaker 15: on a Tuesday night just because you've got off a
• 47:38
  Speaker 15: tour bus at ten o'clock. You know who cares, you know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 15: so you have to suddenly hit the bottom again and
• 47:44
  Speaker 15: go all right, yeah, I need to get my shit
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: together a bit here. You know, you're living a bit
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: of a strange life and getting used to it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I was just say talking about Gee. You talk about Gee.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I saw you on the Enemy New Music tour supporting
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Maximo Park and the Rakes. Yeah, and I was on
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: that tour though, well you mentioned hard Fire. There was
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: maximog Park obviously, the cribs and the loads of the bands.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I think that caming apart from hard for there are
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: any of the bands that used to hang out.
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: With a little bit, yeah mate.
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: And it was absolutely amazing because suddenly like we had
• 48:11
  Speaker 15: this tour manager that was like he had a rule
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: that we had to have like a seriously good tour
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: bus and it suited him. But I mean, to be
• 48:18
  Speaker 15: honest with us, we didn't know any different. So we
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: turned up to this tour, this enemy tour, with this
• 48:23
  Speaker 15: like unbelievably brand new sort of traveling strip club, kind
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: of like epic space age bus, and they're all like
• 48:34
  Speaker 15: sort of you know, just about managing yeah, and just well, no,
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: not just about doing anything. I mean they're all like
• 48:40
  Speaker 15: amazingly successful, but quite rightly. We're also recognizing that tour
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: buses were probably the right thing to be doing, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 15: maybe you know, being realistic about and sensible about it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: So we looked like a right bunch of nobeds when
• 48:52
  Speaker 15: we turned up in this massive thing. I've never heard
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: of us, But yeah, no, I mean that was that
• 48:57
  Speaker 15: was a bit of fortune. Really, I've meant before, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 15: it was nine backouts. I think we're meant to be
• 49:02
  Speaker 15: doing that tour. I think they were ill or something
• 49:06
  Speaker 15: like that. They had some hard stuff going on, so
• 49:09
  Speaker 15: and we we were sort of called up. So it
• 49:11
  Speaker 15: was very very lucky and for us that the enemy
• 49:16
  Speaker 15: saw something in us. And yeah, and then eventually we're
• 49:19
  Speaker 15: sort of headlining our own tours, you know, and you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 15: getting to know some of these guys really down to
• 49:24
  Speaker 15: her very English and it was great, you know, like
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: the Rakes and like say, Maximum Park accidentally walked in
• 49:31
  Speaker 15: to the singer in the toilet ruin once and you know,
• 49:34
  Speaker 15: he didn't look very happy at all about that. Gave
• 49:36
  Speaker 15: me a pretty serious dressing down, and it was like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 15: you know, we need to earn our stripes.
• 49:40
  Speaker 10: Here we are.
• 49:41
  Speaker 15: There is a pecking order and we are not. There
• 49:45
  Speaker 15: was a bit like who are you? You know, they
• 49:47
  Speaker 15: all kind of knew each other quite quite well, like
• 49:49
  Speaker 15: future heads and you know, those kind of little they're
• 49:51
  Speaker 15: also they've all been festivaling it before and they kind
• 49:54
  Speaker 15: of knew the knew the vibe, and I guess we
• 49:57
  Speaker 15: kind of didn't really fit in so much with that
• 50:01
  Speaker 15: sort of sound, that vibe. Perhaps they all kind of
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: came from a similar sort of school, didn't they think
• 50:06
  Speaker 15: about it? Like yeah, very sort of jangly, minimal guitars,
• 50:11
  Speaker 15: quite fast, quite energetic, very punky, very like raw and
• 50:15
  Speaker 15: very like DIY sounding, you know, and then we were
• 50:18
  Speaker 15: coming at things with a bit more of a sort
• 50:20
  Speaker 15: of grandiose aspirations perhaps, you know. So I'm not quite
• 50:24
  Speaker 15: sure what they made of us, but they're all very
• 50:26
  Speaker 15: nice to us. And we had a that was very
• 50:29
  Speaker 15: exciting tour for us, and it kind of all blew
• 50:30
  Speaker 15: up a bit from there.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, seemed a bit almost following on from them right
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: back for the water Rats, you seem to have built
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: quite a bit of momentum really quickly, which then, you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: obviously then led to Civilian being recorded and then making
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: the top twenty. I just wondered, have I got it
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: right in that that process seemed to be really fast?
• 50:50
  Speaker 15: It felt Yeah, I think it felt like that for
• 50:54
  Speaker 15: bystanders and spectators and people were in the industry were like, oh,
• 50:58
  Speaker 15: the hang on a minute.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: What's going on? Who are these guys?
• 51:00
  Speaker 15: And how they kind of convercit But if you kind
• 51:02
  Speaker 15: of imagine for us, we'd played together apart from the
• 51:04
  Speaker 15: bass player, we played together in a band for about
• 51:07
  Speaker 15: four or five years before that, you know, so like
• 51:11
  Speaker 15: people knew who we were on the scene because we
• 51:14
  Speaker 15: were out and about everywhere supporting everyone. You know, it
• 51:17
  Speaker 15: was like we were kind of considered to be sort
• 51:20
  Speaker 15: of they were understood to be kind of players in
• 51:22
  Speaker 15: that scene. But yeah, I think you're right it when
• 51:24
  Speaker 15: it did when we suddenly started getting our team around us,
• 51:27
  Speaker 15: and then when we when Fierce Panda picked us up,
• 51:29
  Speaker 15: and Simon was really keen, and that for us was
• 51:32
  Speaker 15: like go, go go, you know. And I think that
• 51:34
  Speaker 15: there was this sense of like we you know, not
• 51:36
  Speaker 15: just like we need to rush it otherwise it won't work,
• 51:39
  Speaker 15: but it's like, you are ready, let's just get let's
• 51:42
  Speaker 15: just get the last few songs written and then let's
• 51:45
  Speaker 15: do it.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 51:46
  Speaker 15: So that early tour we wouldn't have been necessarily all
• 51:48
  Speaker 15: the same songs that would have been on the album.
• 51:50
  Speaker 15: I can't quite remember the timeline, to be honest with you,
• 51:52
  Speaker 15: but you know, I don't think the album was necessarily
• 51:55
  Speaker 15: out on that first tour.
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: Maybe just some singles and stuff.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I think when I saw you, I think Susie was
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: out a lot of You another song which we ended
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: upon Feefa as well, but yeah, I think that was
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the only single that was out at that point in time.
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah choos now, yeah, yeah, that must be it. Yeah,
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: so we're still just sort of kind of finding our feet.
• 52:11
  Speaker 15: And sometimes I'd be sent off to go and write
• 52:14
  Speaker 15: the last couple of songs and you know, to kind
• 52:16
  Speaker 15: of get some get some new material together, and we'd
• 52:19
  Speaker 15: all we'd all be sort of be together, and then
• 52:22
  Speaker 15: maybe it'll come to a point where we've sort of
• 52:24
  Speaker 15: reached limit of what we can all do creatively together.
• 52:27
  Speaker 15: Then I'd be left with the remnants, and then I'd
• 52:29
  Speaker 15: sort of put together and they kind of finalize the
• 52:32
  Speaker 15: songs and record them as demos just myself, and then
• 52:36
  Speaker 15: and then everyone would come back, and then I'd go
• 52:38
  Speaker 15: right here, you know, this is this is the hook,
• 52:40
  Speaker 15: and this is the bridge, and you know, like this
• 52:42
  Speaker 15: is the kind of product as it were, and then
• 52:44
  Speaker 15: everyone would sort of come back in.
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: They'd play their parts.
• 52:47
  Speaker 15: Pete, Pete would play the keys ten times better than me,
• 52:49
  Speaker 15: has to play the drums, sentimes, let me and bass,
• 52:51
  Speaker 15: et cetera. And then it would sound then like a
• 52:54
  Speaker 15: boy killed boy song. So when we had the album ready,
• 52:57
  Speaker 15: it was just like an absolute dream to go down
• 53:00
  Speaker 15: to Sawmills with John Cornfield and get this album recorded
• 53:06
  Speaker 15: with with with him who recorded some of our heroes,
• 53:09
  Speaker 15: you know, and then it was all under one roof,
• 53:12
  Speaker 15: you know, rather than always like doing a little bit
• 53:13
  Speaker 15: of a single here and that producer kind of made
• 53:15
  Speaker 15: it sound a bit like that, and then over here
• 53:17
  Speaker 15: and then that guy was kind of made make it
• 53:19
  Speaker 15: go a bit further down down that road, and you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 15: we had like Ccenzo, Townsend and Stevens Street and we
• 53:24
  Speaker 15: were like really kind of fans of their work, but
• 53:26
  Speaker 15: we gave it a go, man, you know, we gave
• 53:28
  Speaker 15: it a go with them, and it just didn't it
• 53:31
  Speaker 15: didn't kind of feel right like we got we got
• 53:33
  Speaker 15: Ccenzo did the mix and sent it back to us,
• 53:36
  Speaker 15: and it had like he'd done tons of stuff on it,
• 53:39
  Speaker 15: like he played loads of synths on it and gave
• 53:40
  Speaker 15: it back to us with loads and loads of editing,
• 53:43
  Speaker 15: massive amounts of anything, but also like loads of extra
• 53:46
  Speaker 15: parts that he'd put on and twisted things up. And
• 53:48
  Speaker 15: I guess that's kind of his job as a producer.
• 53:51
  Speaker 15: And it to kind of go like this is the
• 53:52
  Speaker 15: vibe that I think it should go in. But we
• 53:54
  Speaker 15: felt immediately like yeah, it sounded really cool, but like
• 53:57
  Speaker 15: I think, maybe you're going to town in your own
• 53:59
  Speaker 15: way rather than in our way. And yeah, so it's
• 54:02
  Speaker 15: weird making those decisions, you know, like Stephen Street, no thanks, wow,
• 54:06
  Speaker 15: you know, like cheese, you know, like like the Smith.
• 54:11
  Speaker 15: So then when John Cornfield came up as a as
• 54:13
  Speaker 15: an option, we were like, oh, yeah, that's a wicked idea,
• 54:16
  Speaker 15: and we did.
• 54:17
  Speaker 9: We did run songs to him and it was just like, yes,
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: this is it. You know.
• 54:20
  Speaker 15: It had more punchy, rocky sort of sound to it,
• 54:23
  Speaker 15: and I guess that's where we steered a bit further
• 54:25
  Speaker 15: away from just being a kind of a pop pop
• 54:28
  Speaker 15: indie guitar band to a sort of rock indie band.
• 54:32
  Speaker 9: I guess I don't know, that's.
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: The understand just because i'.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: That's so.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Sad, because because obviously that you then had, you know,
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: you've you've moved record companies a few times and post
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Civilian that must have meant I don't know, did it
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: put any pressure on you then to record Stars in
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: the Sea? Was there was? There was there pressure there?
• 55:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you're right, man, Yeah, because there was.
• 55:58
  Speaker 15: You know, well after after we were with Fierce Panda,
• 56:01
  Speaker 15: then we were looking into maybe Ireland and we were
• 56:04
  Speaker 15: sort of flirting with some recordings with them as well
• 56:06
  Speaker 15: at some point, and then eventually when we went with
• 56:10
  Speaker 15: Universal with.
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: A label there, Vertigo.
• 56:15
  Speaker 15: We sort of had a good relationship with those guys,
• 56:18
  Speaker 15: but a lot of it was kind of in house,
• 56:20
  Speaker 15: Like the press side of things was in the house,
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: and like I don't know, like it just kind of
• 56:26
  Speaker 15: felt like the actual product itself was like being talked
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: about and meetings. You go to big fancy meetings and
• 56:32
  Speaker 15: like the Universal Record Label is like, you know, coming
• 56:35
  Speaker 15: to the.
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: Right and we're going to talk about how we're going
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: to sell this one, and you know, looking at the
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: video and what the video is going to be like.
• 56:39
  Speaker 15: And it was already exciting with the artwork and sort
• 56:41
  Speaker 15: of choosing who's going to do the artwork and for
• 56:43
  Speaker 15: us and things like that. But it did feel a
• 56:45
  Speaker 15: little bit like we've got kind of things kind of
• 56:48
  Speaker 15: got a little bit kind of maybe carried away from
• 56:51
  Speaker 15: where we were as people, you know, and I totally
• 56:54
  Speaker 15: stand by you know, some of the decisions we've made
• 56:57
  Speaker 15: creatively was to sort of avoid just copy what the
• 57:00
  Speaker 15: other East London bands were doing. You know, we wanted
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: to establish our own kind of character and stuff. But
• 57:07
  Speaker 15: when it came to the second album, we really wanted
• 57:09
  Speaker 15: to sort of bring things back to basics a little
• 57:12
  Speaker 15: bit and maybe kind of get our character on our
• 57:14
  Speaker 15: personality out there a little bit more. But also musically
• 57:18
  Speaker 15: we were sort of kind of growing up a little
• 57:20
  Speaker 15: bit probably, and it's sort of like that cliche, isn't it.
• 57:23
  Speaker 15: The second album is sort of like perhaps for us,
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: it was like a bit more kind of pensive and
• 57:28
  Speaker 15: bit more mature, And although there were some songs on
• 57:31
  Speaker 15: it that just kind of follow suit to Susie and
• 57:34
  Speaker 15: those kinds of songs, it wasn't like sort of fast
• 57:37
  Speaker 15: indie guitar pop album. And besides, at the time, like
• 57:41
  Speaker 15: we had meetings with our plugger, for example, Kate, who
• 57:44
  Speaker 15: was coming back to us with with sort of terrible news,
• 57:47
  Speaker 15: kind of saying, I've just come back from Radio one
• 57:50
  Speaker 15: and they've just said, like there is no playlisting anymore
• 57:54
  Speaker 15: for guitar bands, you know, And this is this is
• 57:56
  Speaker 15: like halfway through we were like finishing our albums. Like
• 57:58
  Speaker 15: what like they're just saying point blank they like, don't
• 58:02
  Speaker 15: come back with guitar bands. Only come back with with
• 58:05
  Speaker 15: hip hop, with with dance with pop or rap music.
• 58:11
  Speaker 15: That like, do not come back with guitar bands. I mean,
• 58:13
  Speaker 15: you know, maybe Arctic Monkeys, do you know what I mean?
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: But like, you know, and and it was like she
• 58:19
  Speaker 9: was like I don't.
• 58:19
  Speaker 15: Know, Like I mean, I don't know where to go
• 58:21
  Speaker 15: with it because you know, they literally won't listen to it,
• 58:24
  Speaker 15: you know, and it was kind of like the world
• 58:26
  Speaker 15: sort of started to fall apart around by ankles, you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 15: like suddenly you'd get the front cover of like mainstream
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: newspapers sort of telling you this is you know, you
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: are downloading from LimeWire and you knowed how to get
• 58:40
  Speaker 15: to this website, and we're going to print what website is,
• 58:42
  Speaker 15: and and it just became so mainstream. When we came
• 58:44
  Speaker 15: to the second album, like we were just sort of
• 58:46
  Speaker 15: we kind of did this well. The last tour we
• 58:49
  Speaker 15: called it was like in the Trenches tour basically, it
• 58:51
  Speaker 15: was like we just need to get out far and
• 58:53
  Speaker 15: wide and play to as many people as possible and
• 58:54
  Speaker 15: just hope that they buy the record. Then we're in
• 58:57
  Speaker 15: like an Inverness I think it was in and we'd
• 59:01
  Speaker 15: done this gig and they messed up like that we
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: should have been in the smaller venue, like sold out
• 59:07
  Speaker 15: the smaller venue or the mid range venue, but instead
• 59:10
  Speaker 15: they put us in the big venue by it by mistake,
• 59:13
  Speaker 15: you know, so suddenly now that we look like half
• 59:15
  Speaker 15: the room's not for we're actually it was really annoying.
• 59:18
  Speaker 15: All the local people were really pissed off. Because they,
• 59:20
  Speaker 15: you know, their friends couldn't get tickets because they put
• 59:23
  Speaker 15: us in the smaller room.
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 59:25
  Speaker 15: Anyway, we'd had this gig and it's fine, We're out
• 59:27
  Speaker 15: the back signing, you know, copies of pictures or taking
• 59:31
  Speaker 15: pictures of kids and stuff. And one of the kids
• 59:34
  Speaker 15: held up their phone and was playing a lot of
• 59:36
  Speaker 15: our new album on the phone, even though it was
• 59:39
  Speaker 15: not out yet.
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: You know, and I was like, how did you how
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: did you get this, you know, and she was like, oh,
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: you know, I've had it for ages. And they're like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: we've all got it. You got all held up their.
• 59:48
  Speaker 15: Little kind of crappy phones, you know, and it was like, no,
• 59:52
  Speaker 15: but actually, how did you get it? And they and
• 59:54
  Speaker 15: we worked out they'd had about six or seven songs
• 59:57
  Speaker 15: that must have been out on cent to like pr too,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 15: you know, like promotional copies are tasters basically, you know,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 15: and some buckers from that industry must have you know.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 15: I immediately downloaded or uploaded it to the websites that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 15: all these kids are going on. I mean, I don't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 15: know where the thinking is there or why that would
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 15: be a good thing to do if you're in the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 15: industry itself. So the industry shot itself in the foot
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 15: to half of its degree. But and when I said
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 15: to them, when I said to the girls, I was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 15: like wow.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: I was like, you would you? Would you buy the records?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: You know? Do you think you'd buy it?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 15: And she was like, of course not. And I was like,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 15: oh no, but it's not got all the songs on it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 15: And they're like, yeah, well, I'll just download the rest
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: of the songs when it comes, you know. And I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 15: was like, all right, okay, so there's nothing would you
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 15: Is there anything about the record that you'd find interesting,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 15: like you'd want to have or own?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: She's like, no, why would I? And I was like, look,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: you know, I can download.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 15: The artwork if that's what you're talking about. And I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 15: was like, oh, don't. To be honest, I don't know
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 15: what I'm talking about. I'm just trying to work it out,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 15: you know, because definitely not having to go at anyone,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: I'm just trying to work out, like what what are
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 15: we going to do?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: Basically? She said yeah, and she was like you need
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: to speak to your record company. I remember really well.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: She was like, you need to speak to your record
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: label and tell them to sort it out.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 15: Because guess what, we're all downloading music and guess what,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 15: you know, we wouldn't go to a bakery and pay
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 15: if someone's giving out the bread outside the front door,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 15: like we just you know, that's absolute full would be
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 15: paying for stuff that's given out for free. So I'm sorry,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 15: but like, we all paid to come and see your gigs,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 15: and they're quite expensive and I have to wait around
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 15: now for my mum to come and pick me up.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: I buy your T.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 15: Shirts and to be honest with you, your T shirts
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 15: aren't great. It's like, oh my god, she was right.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 15: Our T shirts probably weren't that great. Some of them
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 15: were cool, but yeah, and she was like, but like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 15: you know, this is the thing, man. You know, we're
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 15: not going to be buying stuff which is for free.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 15: So if you if you had someone giving out T shirts,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 15: then they're probably taking you a free T shirts. Well,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 15: and I was like, look, I totally get it, man,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 15: I get it. You know, thanks for being so honest,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 15: you know. But it was a very quiet journey home
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 15: that night, and you know, we were just like, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 15: think it's it's game over for us, you know. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 15: it wasn't long then until management kind of delivered the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 15: news and we kind of met up at a pub
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 15: that we used to go to and the boys were like, look,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 15: to be honest with you, I think we've just done it.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: You know, we've we've flogged it as much as we can,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: and you know, we could go back and go independent again.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 15: I think at that point people were missing their you know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 15: missing their homes and their loved ones, and you know,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 15: so it felt like we tried really hard and it
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 15: just took everything out of us. And to be honest
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 15: with you, it did feel a bit like getting buried alive.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 15: I mean, some of the mistakes that are being made
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 15: with like press and things like that, it was just like,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 15: oh my god. It felt like I was like screaming
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 15: to try and get things working. But you know, at
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 15: the same time, people move on, don't they. You know,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 15: it was it was becoming clear that that second album
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 15: wasn't going to be like that, you know, a masterpiece
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 15: that would be saving us from the doom of the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 15: radio one playlist.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: You know, it was like, no matter what was going on,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: it was good enough.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 15: And we were sort of coming realizing that we're coming
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 15: to the end of our journey, and you know what,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 15: like I never kind of saw us as being a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 15: kind of top five band at any point. I mean
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 15: I probably should have had more of an attitude like that,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 15: but so really, in effect, it was almost like just
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 15: a kind of peaceful exit. But because we had our
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 15: in the house, you know, like oppress was it all
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 15: in the house, we just vanished.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: There was not really much.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 15: It was like kaisass whatever it is, you know, like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 15: we just sort of like just sort of like disappeared,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 15: you know. So then ten years later, when it was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 15: our ten year anniversary, we were like, oh, well, let's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 15: put something out on Facebook, and everything just blew up
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 15: and I was like wow, wow, yes, come on, you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 15: and we thought, well, this would be our chance to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 15: say goodbye. So when we did our first Oslo gig
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 15: that sold out straight away, then we had to get
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 15: two nights at Oslo and Hackney and that sold out as.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: Well, and it was like Jesus and these people are
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: really into it.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 15: Still, Like wow, you know, maybe we've underestimated things a
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 15: little bit there, but that was really like a goodbye show.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 15: That was like we're doing this to say goodbye because
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 15: we never really got to properly. So it was really
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 15: emotional and like, we put a lot into it, but
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 15: I didn't think that there would still behusiasm now, you know,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 15: so you can imagine we're full of love about this
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 15: whole thing, man, because it's just going to be it's
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 15: going to be a really special right.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Well, given that they all sell out, everything you've talked
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: about it in the later years have sold out really quickly,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: have you considered putting on some more gigs or even
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: new material.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we we it's yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 15: I've kind of like been told to be careful for
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 15: what I say because I'm not sure how solidified things
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 15: have got. But just to say that we are trying
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 15: to make a some extra dates work around the country
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 15: if we can. And it slightly ties into holiday time
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 15: because well, annoyingly, because.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: Of my job, because I'm a teacher, I don't get
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 9: to have time off.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 15: You don't get to take time off from your teacher,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 15: quite rightly say, because you have holidays and stuff. So
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 15: we're trying to make that work and you know, with
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 15: some ideas and some potential festivals in the future as well,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 15: would be fun. And in terms of new material, yes,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 15: I have been introducing some new stuff and we've been
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 15: playing with some new things that we're very, very excited about.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 15: So this is for me, the big dream because I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 15: wanted it to feel really meaningful. I wanted it to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 15: be released with new sounds so it can kind of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 15: have a bit of integrity behind it rather than just like, oh.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, here we go again.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 15: You know, we're at the old boys and play some
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 15: old songs and we all have a lovely time. It
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 15: is like I want it to be like, no, hang
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: on a minute, like we can still put some stuff together,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 15: you know. And yeah, it was a bit tensaitive, like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 15: sending them little recordings and little doodles.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: It was literally just a little hook I sent to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: them on the WhatsApp and they're like, that's wicked.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: I do something with it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: And I said, okay, okay, you like it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 15: You know, I go back and do something with this
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 15: and then sense it with a verse and the chorus
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 15: and they're like, yeah, I love it. And you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 15: it's like it's like puts wind in my sales when
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 15: the guys like it, and without them, my music would
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 15: sound very very different. And does you know because I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 15: still kind of mess around with other things in the background,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 15: But yeah, it's the boy Kill Boys are shifting it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 15: and we had a rehearsal recently and we played one
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 15: of the songs and we're really excited where it's going.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I mean this feels like an exclusive.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it is a bit.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's not something I've seen anywhere, which
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: is great.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: But what we want to do is make it right.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 15: And and there's a third bit of exciting news but
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 15: I'm not allowed to say that at all, but we were.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Kind of like, whoa, that's a bit of a tease.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: Well, you've got to you know, you got to leave
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: something you.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Wanting more.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 15: But yeah, so you know, I guess I guess the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 15: big question is how how would these songs be put
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 15: out there?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: And you know and things like that. So I guess
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 9: that's the next stage and that's the next step for us.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: It's like what that might look like and nice reissue.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 15: In this day and age, there's all sorts of different
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 15: ways that can be done, isn't there. So we're we're
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 15: just working it out from here at the moment.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: So you think you'll record that show in October? Is
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: that a plan at all?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: We are we are recording it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 15: There's our friend Mitch. He's real old old Palavas and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 15: his old band Haunts. He's the tour of us at
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 15: one point. We really love those guys. Mitch is a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 15: brilliant producer and he's he's sort of said, hey, listen, guys,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 15: want me to bring my gear and I'll record you.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: We're like, wow, yes, please, And we want to.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 15: Get some people recording with cameras as well, hopefully, and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 15: then we'll sort of put something together, you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 15: I mean it's really exposing, isn't it recording it, because
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 15: you know, not only to we probably all look quite
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 15: different now, but also you know, will sound different.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: But I guess that's part of it, isn't it.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 15: It's that it's the it's the twenty twenty six version,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 15: and you know it's going to have a different, slightly
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 15: different tone to it. But to be honest, it's just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 15: like I said earlier on, it's so weird how quickly
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 15: we you know, bands just sink back in. You know,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 15: we're not playing like we're not playing music that is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 15: like kind of rockets hands, you know, and it's like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 15: it's not the most complicated music in the world. But
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 15: it's still like, you know, like Pete's keyboard parts are
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 15: all over the place, man, like you know how he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 15: does that?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: I just do not know.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 15: Man, it's so much coordination. But yeah, so like it's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 15: sounding wicked. That's all I can say. Is it sounds
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 15: fricking great and like we are really really hyped about
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 15: because we've got we've got loads of berhuses booked obviously,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 15: and you know, so we're going to be really match
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 15: fit ready for that night.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: So was there any songs left over from either Civilian
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: or stars in the scene? Is there any songs that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: you didn't release not the vous somewhere?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean they might, to be honest, be I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 15: mean there might be a company, but there wouldn't be
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 15: anything worth to really think about. I mean, like everything
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 15: that was was like any more tipbits that we had
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 15: ended up being being kind of like used to then
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 15: promote other singles, you know, like in those days, I mean,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 15: you know, it was like you've got the CD single
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 15: and you might have three versions of that, and then
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 15: you've got like a special on spots.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: Maybe not Spotify, maybe on I don't know, like yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: Apple or whatever.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 15: Want an exclusive to go with it, and you know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 15: so like you're sort of really digging into your bucket
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 15: to see what you've got left. And you know, and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 15: you're busy touring. It's hard to get recording time in,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: isn't it. So Like Yeah, B sides and things like
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 15: that sometimes would be used.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 17: Same time, same pla, don't go dead, don't.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: You're you're there there, Yeah, men you're there there, your
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: men's shot cells.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 15: I'm pretty proud about B sides and sometimes like it's
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 15: the only thing, like you can listen to it because
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 15: if you obviously listened to the album so many times,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 15: as soon as I listened to B sides and just go, shit,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 15: I really like that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: I really like that song Like that was that was probably.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 15: Hardly anyone ever got to hear that because it was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 15: on vinyl at the time, which now is more popular,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 15: et cetera.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 9: But yeah, it's fun to be had. I reckon with
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: new material.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, So if you look back now, because obviously you know,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: you're in this great position where you're doing a little
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: bit of looking back as well as new material looking
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: forward even better. But when you look back, is this
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: is there something that you feel, Oh, that's like a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: real memory that is something that's like a favorite memory
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: that you that you had with the band.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's true, and i've kind of yeah, I mean,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 15: there was some some really mind blowing experience, you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 15: sort of superficial experiences in a way, like you know,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 15: some movie stars that you've ended up hanging out with
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 15: and you know, being left in their hotel room with
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 15: them like three in the morning and you know, like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 15: sort of exchange strange extraordinary things like that. But to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 15: be honest with you, the most special things were like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 15: things like Reading Festival, Like going about to go on
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 15: stage at Reading Festival, which was my very first music
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 15: festival when I was very young, and like you know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 15: and being you know, I'm not sure was it the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 15: first time, whether we opened up that stage or something
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 15: like that, but it just sounded amazing. And then afterwards
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 15: I was ushered into the sort of BBC van where
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 15: they they immediately showed me the footage just to sort
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 15: of that's something that they do to kind of go
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 15: are you okay with it?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: Yes? No, all right, cool, it's usually yes, thanks, we
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: can put it out then.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 15: And I just remember being just utterly blown away by
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 15: seeing what I look like on stage because we'd never
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 15: been filmed before, and just the sound of it, and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 15: they made us sound like a really amazing band on TV.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: You know, it was like it was like and and.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 15: Top of the pots, you know, like being on top
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 15: of the pops, which you know, in itself was you know,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 15: obviously you can't ever expose to the mechanics of TV,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 15: and I'd already had a bit of experience to that
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 15: from working at MTV anyway back in the day. But
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 15: it was like when I was playing, I was smiling
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 15: my ass up and looking into the camera and just
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 15: just being you know, just showing how excited I was
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 15: about the whole thing. I think I remember getting a
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 15: bit told off afterwards for like looking to like.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: What's all that smiling about.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 15: You don't normally do that on stage, you know, which
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 15: is true because normally I like gett into it, get
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 15: a bit moody.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 9: But I was like, this is fucking nuts.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 15: And then you know, seeing all the people sort of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: like screaming and squealing at the front and all that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 15: kind of stuff. It's hilarious, you know. But yeah, I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 15: just I mean, you know, things like that, just like
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 15: game changes aren't they just like these are like literally
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 15: dreams come true, you know, and then we're flying off
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 15: and we're spending time recording in Los Angeles and Hollywood,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 15: you know, in our second album. Never thought that would
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 15: be a chance. You know, if the first album didn't
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 15: go stratospheric, then the next one is going to be
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 15: recorded in like Milton Keynes.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 9: And that's fine, you know, but there we were.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 15: We had a second chance, an incredible rockstar kind of experience,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 15: and you know, yeah, I just have nothing but lovely memories.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: I mean, they're obviously like hard times and dark times
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 15: and you know, and you know before not to forget
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 15: that that's the balance as well. But like as a band,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 15: we we never really like massively fell out or anything
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 15: like we we we sort of probably managed well. Actually
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 15: outside each other, we probably were getting fall like we
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 15: it was never like as bad as some bands you
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 15: like just can't travel together and stuff like that. We
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 15: were we And also because we didn't, because we weren't massive,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 15: we didn't get all that extra ton of backlash and
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 15: hate stuff. And nowadays with social media and how different
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 15: it is, you know, you know, I'm sure that might
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 15: be really hard to content to contend with. You know,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 15: we didn't really get too much of that kind of stuff,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 15: so really, I know it's a bit like rose tinted
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 15: glasses and all that kind of stuff, but nothing but
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 15: like fondness and and pride for the boys and for
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 15: what we did, and also of course for the team
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 15: that worked with us and around us and things like that,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 15: and yeah, just just what lucky guys we were.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: You know, I've never really been into football. I never
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 9: like when I was, I wasn't brought up on football.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 15: And now I'm a dad, and and I'm starting to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 15: feel like there's a sort of there's a link there
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 15: in the sort of male chain from son to dad.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: As I'm like, so, what are we doing at lunchtime today?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: Is only five? He's like, I was just playing in
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: the sandpit and this, that and the other. And I
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: was like, play football with the guys.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 10: Play.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 9: He was like, no, I don't really know how to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: do that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 15: I was like, so start having like little football lessons
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 15: because I'm just like, just because I just because I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 15: wasn't part of my culture growing up.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: It's like it's so important, isn't it? For so many boys?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: I don't know particularly, but in.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 15: Terms of my family, we've only been given where we're
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 15: we're we're west Ham based on all the hand me
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 15: downs we've got from another family. So the boys a
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 15: running around wearing west Ham clothes. But in terms of
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 15: our band, because we used to live in Leyton Stone
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 15: when we were all together, we we like, you know,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 15: and we used to I used to go and see
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 15: the O's a bit when I was a kid.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: But you know, not not not like die Hard or anything.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 15: But then once our management like contacts us and we
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 15: got you hooked up with a really good exclusive at
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 15: Leyton Orient, it's going to be this big coming home thing.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: Then your band's going to go in.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 15: They're going to treat it to a big Sunday roast
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 15: and you know, they're going to play your song at
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 15: halftime and all this kind of stuff. And I was like,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 15: we're all like okay, cool, and it's like, you know,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 15: so we've all we all turned up and we were
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 15: kind of frog marched into the sort of vip lounges
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 15: it were, and you know, we had a nice little
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 15: slap up roast and stuff, some nice wine and like,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 15: you know, the team was losing horrendously, like it was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 15: already four nail down had half time, and then then
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 15: some like PR guy came up to us and like, right,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 15: you're on, and what do you mean you're on.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 9: It's like you're you're going and you're you're going to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 9: speak to the crowds and we're like what what what
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 9: are you talking about?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 15: And he's like, yeah, that's part of the deal, like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 15: you know, you got to go and you've got to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 15: go into the middle of the pitch and tell everyone
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 15: about your new single.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 9: And I was like, are you joking man?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 15: No one told us this bit, so we politely, politely declined,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 15: gracefully said thank you. But that wasn't going to happen
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 15: based on many things. A we didn't know in the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 15: names of any of the players. B it's been many
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 15: years since to be gone there and see the team
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 15: was losing four neil already and ended up losing eight
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 15: neil anyway, So we kind of made a getaway out
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 15: the back door and that was the end of it.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 15: That was that was our sort of link to the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 15: football crowd. Basically, our song was played like you know,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 15: Susie I think was played on Civil I was on
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 15: with FIFA like a couple of games which kind of
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 15: like was some sort of link into that world.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: But that's as far as it went.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Really awesome, okay, brilliant.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, thank you, I mean, thanks so much for you, Nolan.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: Thank you to you guys. Thank you Nolan Martin.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 15: It's been a real pleasure and speaking to you guys
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 15: because you know what you're talking about and you know
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 15: about something that I've gone through. So it's still a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 15: very rare experience for me and I don't take it
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 15: for granted at all. So it's been really special for
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 15: me to have that time with you guys. So I
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 15: really appreciate it.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: Yes, they may God to them. It's a bill they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: gave God.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 17: Just your style to blame them nobody. You know, you
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 17: can say God, get on the right.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: Shot, Get on the right shot, get on the right track,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: get on the right shot.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 11: Now, now we may go maya, just so we could
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 11: bring U its upside to see God.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 17: Finding interms be good.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 11: Get on the right shock, get on the right shock,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 11: get on the right track, get on the right try now.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: Justo.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast. Now,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: as you know, we do our research from a variety
• 1:19:28
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• 1:19:30
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• 1:19:33
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• 1:19:35
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• 1:19:36
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• 1:19:40
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• 1:19:43
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• 1:19:48
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• 1:19:51
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• 1:19:55
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• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: And once again thanks to crash Land for writing the
• 1:20:03
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• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: Thanks everybody for listening.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you,