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Michael Jackson: The King, The Movie & The Legacy · Talking Shed

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Right, that was that was good do.
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You reckon we get a freestyle? Yeah.
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We'll find out. Is this the right one?
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Yeah. This is Beatles.
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Well, YouTube's not even going to let us play this, but it's
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all good. test back. Way back to my left is the world
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to Saya. It's am I right?
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It's the bro Machu too much, the host and the coast Michael
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Jackson junior Kamona. Yo, welcome back to the talking
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shit podcast. A little bit of a different
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intro today. We got Michael on the back.
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Bro I was struggling to find the beat but then as you like lose
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the beat. You can just do it, Kamona.
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Just Ed Lebay OG Ed Lebay. Ohh man.
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Well, welcome back to talking shit podcast.
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You hear what you saw. Machu and little Michael Jackson
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bring you the latest in sports, pop culture and last big
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questions. Welcome back to the podcast,
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baby man. Look, we're we're going to do a
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little bit of a different podcast today, similar to what
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we did with JB. Obviously a big movie that came
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out this week was Uncle Michael. Yeah, Michael Jackson.
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And we're going to give us our honest opinions on what we
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thought the biopic kind of where it lands in terms of all biopics
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that have kind of been. Yeah, against produced.
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Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that we do have
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general updates. Yep, Yep, do.
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You want me to jump into it first?
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Yeah, get it over and done with. So bro, my first one to start
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with is just on the NBA. Obviously, we change it up
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quickly. We'll come back to Michael
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Jackson. But bro, have you been following
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the NBA? No.
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I haven't really. Bro, it's been pretty crazy.
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So we're on the Lakers train right now.
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My Golden State Warriors are out bro LeBron.
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Oh man, he came to the docks. I mean, let's go.
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Gee, I I love LeBron, bro. Almost to God he is the man bro.
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Hey, I'll. Put this out there now.
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Now listeners, if you don't know the bro Machu.
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Yeah, right. He was aimed.
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Curry. I'm Curry.
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LJ I'm Curry, ride or die. He is and and honestly, LeBron
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was not even in his list. So for for Machu to say this,
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this is a. This is big.
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Bar for 41 years old Luca Austin Reeves, who are two of the best
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players in the NBA out of this out of the team.
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He just single handedly beat the Rockets, who are one of the
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supposed to be the best thing at Katie or Singoon supposedly
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these good players and he just single handedly won them the
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series, bro like at 41 years old, bro, I'm 31 breaking down
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and he is bro. He's still windmilling through
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the lane bro he's it does not make sense bro.
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It's actually the craziest thing and the next the next step is
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going to be potentially bro, another step in his legacy,
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which makes him the absolute undoubted question go he's
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versus Oh really? OKC Thunder just absolutely
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pumped the sun David Booker and stuff 40 and they're they're
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obviously they're reigning champs.
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They're they'll be paying like $2.00 to win the whole.
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So the zoo they got. They got next and there was in
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the Western Conference semi finals.
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They got the Thunder. What are they?
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What? What are the odds at the moment?
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But it will be so for Thunder to win you.
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Know for the Lakers to win. Oh bro be like $6 and.
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What? What about the Thunder?
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Like $1.10 maybe? Damn, so it's a big game.
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There's no way in they'll think that the Lakers will win US like
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and if LeBron can somehow tap back into 2016, LeBron come back
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and like that. I just can't wait to watch today
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because this Thunder team is one of the best teams of all time.
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Yeah. What?
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What do you reckon? Because of their success, What
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do you honestly think LeBron is thinking in his head?
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Like, obviously he's playing with his son.
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Yeah, which obviously gives them the encouragement, extra
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motivation. Like what?
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What actually is going through his head, you reckon?
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I reckon. Like he's obviously had these
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massive comebacks against Golden State where he's had to just
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carry the team and he had the athleticism behind him.
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The athleticism has dropping off a dropped off a bit, but his IQ
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and you can tell he sometimes just turns it on and he's like,
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OK, I'm just gonna give it 100%. My body gives up.
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It gives up, which it never does.
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But and he can somehow just tap into this like goat mode like
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and he bro, I, I, it's actually amazing to watch it as a 41 year
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old bro being able to just dominate.
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It's it's actually insane. I'm gonna say this bro like even
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if he is on drugs like peptides or whatever I don't even care.
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It's still unreal. I I compare that to Paul
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Gallant. Like we all know he was on
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something cheap, but for him to go to 39 and arguably the
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hardest sport, Yeah. Yeah.
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In the world, like rugby league, I'm going to say it right now, I
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reckon rugby league is the hardest sport in the world.
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Yeah. But for someone to do that at
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39, Gee, you got to be on stuff. Yeah.
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So, but I'm just my point. My point is, even if LeBron is
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on stuff, I still vote it's. Still out of this world that
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he's competing, so just a little stat to finish it off, but if
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LeBron James was his own franchise, he'd be he'd have the
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fifth most playoff wins of all time.
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Oh wow, his own franchise. But if he was his own, he's has
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42 playoff wins in his whole in his whole his whole career.
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Wow. But the Chicago Bulls have 39.
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So he's three more playoff wins then the Chicago Bulls.
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Oh series Sorry series. The only only franchises that
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have more playoff series wins than him is the Knicks, Spurs,
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Golden State, 76ers, Celtics and Lakers.
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So bro 18 other franchises he has more playoff series wins.
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Oh that is insane bro. And he is almost more than the
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Knicks in Spurs. Like bro, his career is going
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down as the best sports career of all.
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Like no one touches this bro. No, no one will ever touch this
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Tom Brady. Nah bro this is so much better
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than Tom Brady like in my opinion I feel.
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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, subjectively.
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Yeah, because bro, Tom was in really good teams.
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Like he had a really good win when he was 40 something for the
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers and he was a really good passer and stuff,
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but his defence was crazy. And but LeBron is still carrying
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his teams like it's a five person sport and he's single
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handedly carrying his teams. It's like.
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And from memory, doing this without two of his best bro.
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Luca and Austin Reeves out like. Are they coming back for this
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game or? Luca done his hammy so they
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reckon he might be back for the series.
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Austin Reeves is back now, but he like he lost in the last
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game, so he's not even playing good but.
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Bro if if anyone can make a call on it's you because you know
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what hamstrings are like you. Yeah, yeah, So bro, I just
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thought this was crazy as well. They have the wait, 123456, the
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7th. Sorry, most series wins.
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If you were a franchise yourself, that's just unheard
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of. Bro that's crazy.
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Yeah, I'll take my hat off, bro. Bro insane.
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Oh, latest and five. Yeah, we'll see how they go,
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baby. I'm I'm a Lakers supporter
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through and through, but I'll be completely transparent.
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I haven't been following the the the, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, there's so many
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games, bro. Keep.
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Keep an eye on this on this series.
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This will be the best. This will be the best one to
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watch. And then the Spurs start and
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then whoever will win the next one as well.
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Are you tracking something down on this?
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Yeah, 100% yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm already down bad though, so
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I'm trying. I'm chasing hard on.
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Fire on. No, you're in that territory.
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Yeah. Oh, hell, isn't that coming?
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Yeah, well, my junior update a couple of weeks ago.
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Well, no, actually last week. I have a bit of a weird story.
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Yeah, I had the day off on. I can't remember what day it
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was. Oh, school holidays, that's what
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it was. So we've gone back to school and
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anyway, school holidays for me. So I obviously had the day off
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and I must have had the day off on this day.
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So I just thought, you're not. Let's do a day trip.
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I'll, I'll surprise her. I'll take her out.
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We'll go. Do you know something?
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Yeah, so I decided I'll go down to Brunswick Kids, which is
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northern NSW here next to the Gold Coast.
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Beautiful area, nice sort of spot in some ways niche, I
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guess. I've got beaches, you know, you
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can do kayaking, etcetera, a few walks or whatever in
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restaurants. Anyway, I was like, OK, let's
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start off our day by going to the beach.
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So I went to the beach down there and we set up our stuff.
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And so obviously, you know, we're, we're pretty much sun
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tanning at this point. And I'd say like 5 minutes into
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it, bro, out of nowhere, Gee, I felt like God was testing me.
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Hey bro I was like I don't know what it was but this chick comes
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and sets up like to the left of hunter like 2 meters.
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Yeah, bro, what? Does she do?
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What, flip a sand or something onto?
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Oh, she gets naked. Naked, straight up.
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Oh Gee, I was like, there is no way.
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I'm like, I look at Hannah and I look at this girl and I'm like
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babe, babe, but what are we doing there?
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She's like, what do you mean? She's like look behind you and
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she's like, Oh my gosh, she's naked, bro.
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So then I'm like this can't be normal.
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And then 5 minutes later, no bro, this morning check bro.
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I'm just like, oh, there is no way I am sandwiched between this
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naked person over here, this naked person over here, bro.
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Instantly I'm like bro, did I honestly just take us to a nude?
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Beach. Oh, is it a nude beach?
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I I honestly got no idea bro. People are going to say I set
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the stuff up. I got no idea right?
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Honestly. And your son is on the whole.
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Time my son is on the whole time he's like this, but I don't know
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what was going on, but I just got absolutely tested on this
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day. But I was just like, Oh my gosh,
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yeah, what would you do in that situation, bro?
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Bro, what would I do? Sonny's on that's that's about.
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I'd have to borrow. I'd probably leave because I'd
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be so awkward. It was so.
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Awkward, did you stay? Yeah, because we were just we at
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the spot was just like, yeah, true.
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Yeah, true. Well, they rocked up before us.
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Hey, yeah, yeah, sorry. After us.
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Yeah, yeah. So it's your spot.
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Yeah, it was our spot, yeah. Can you say something to them
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like, hey mate, like if you had kids with you or something,
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would you go and be like, hey, I know you're like Free Willy and
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everything, but can you put some clothes on please?
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Well, see. Imagine if it was a.
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Dude no that's a good point bro, because this family rocks up
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next to us afterwards and sits in between these two I guess
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females and they have kids and I'm like oh shucks what it like
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what would you do as a parent in this scenario?
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What if it was a dude naked? It would be bad.
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It'd be bad. No, it would be.
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So in my head I'm thinking, all right, now, what's this mum
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going to do? Is she going to protect their
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children and, you know, either take her away, Yeah.
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Or is she going to just say, Yep, all good, bro.
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If I was this kid and there were probably two or three of these
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kids, they were all under the age of, I'd say 13.
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What age were the woman that were naked?
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Were they like real old? Because I always think old as
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people. Yeah.
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No one was it. No.
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They'll probably similar in age to us, you know, Yeah, Yeah.
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So I just think that maybe there was something wrong with these
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kids because these kids rock up, they see these women and they're
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like, OK, bro, this kid pulls out a freaking psychology book.
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That's right, psychology book. And I'm like.
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How old was he? Bro, he was listening 13 damn,
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you know that that book psychology of money.
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It's positive reading that he was reading that and I was like,
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Gee, are you all good? Like, Nah, you know, we are
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going some. So he's not reading that.
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Oh bro, he. Was full on reading that the mum
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was reading the book just. Crazy he was reading.
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The book I was like, Oh my, yeah.
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Anyway, so. Psychology of Money at 13, bro.
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Yeah, yeah. I promise you're not going to
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need that at 13. Yeah.
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Anyway, he tried to get fast trackers like, yeah, that.
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But, you know, hey, he was, yeah, very focused on his book.
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So I'll take my head off the hip.
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Yeah, hard. There's other districtions there
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trying to lead them astray. I know.
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Yeah, that's for sure. So yeah, whether or not I took
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my partner to nude beach or whatever, bro, that's that's up
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for debate. Yeah, the northern NSW stuff
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then they must just be built different.
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A they're hippies now. Hippies, yeah.
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Heap of them. Heap of them.
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No, nothing against him, but yeah, there.
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Yeah. Do that like it's a normal
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regular day. All the kids around, I'm like,
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come on. Anyway, Michael Jackson, yeah.
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MJ baby. Yeah.
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MJ obviously, Michael just came out and I kind of have a few
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things we're gonna talk about in regards to where this movie kind
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of sits. Yeah, Michael, I'll say it right
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now. He is my favorite of all time.
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Like I love his music. I love him as an individual.
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In terms of the way he performs. I do reckon he's the greatest
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entertainer of all time. And I kind of wanted to do this
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because a couple of weeks ago we did a JB version.
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And obviously that's one of your favorite, all your favorite
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artists of all time. Yeah.
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And I really like obviously how I've come around to liking JB.
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It's taken me a long time to do that.
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I'll I'll hand on heart, I disliked them from the start.
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Yeah, yeah. And I've really kind of come
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around and really enjoyed where who he is as a person.
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And so I guess where I kind of want to go with this one is
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whether or not I can get Machu on side with the MJ train.
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So I want to get your honest opinion on the movie, first of
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all. Yeah, yeah.
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And then we'll kind of lead into some where he kind of ranks and
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some skeptical stories. Yeah, yeah.
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OK. So the first part, I guess for
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me going into the movie as where MJ kind of ranked for me is he
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was kind of in the same vein as I've said before, Taylor Swift
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for me. Like I understand that heaps of
14:07
people like him, but personally I never played his music.
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The one song I did like love from him man in the mirror.
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Like I reckon that for me, I always loved that song, but he
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didn't have enough songs I love for me to call him like my one
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of my goats. But so yeah, going into this
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movie, but it truly did make me realize how great he was because
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the movie itself, I thought I'd probably give it a 7 out of 10
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because I think that they skipped so many part like parts
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of the movie that just made it like it didn't make sense.
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For example, we talked about it the when he was in the Jackson 5
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and they're living in what was it a hometown called Lentil No.
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I can't remember off the top. Yeah, I actually.
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Do not a small town and they went to this theater to perform
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and then at the theatre, they meet this Motown recruit and the
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lady kind of comes up and goes, he can be big kind of thing.
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And the dad kind of talks to her.
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And then the next scene that just skips to him recording
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singing that song, that famous song of when he's when he's a
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little kid. And I'm like, OK, how did he get
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to recording from just being seen?
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It can't just skip like a key part of him getting his first
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ever signing to Motown. How?
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How did that all happen? I sometimes think sometimes that
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where where things like that happen.
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Yeah. So there were allegations or not
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allegations like parts of the the movie that had to be removed
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because of Diana Ross. Diana Ross.
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There was another allegation about one of the the kids that
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that accused them obviously of, of some of the allegations or
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some of the stuff that he had done in the past.
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So they had to go back, remove a lot of the stuff.
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I couldn't even mention names and that.
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So maybe that area there, maybe that's where that happened.
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Like they removed just a complete scene and they're like,
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you're not stuffed, we're going to refill.
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Skip to there. Oh, my God.
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But yeah, So I was a bit, I was kind of lost.
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I wasn't lost. It made sense.
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But it was just like, oh, we just missed a part of the story
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of how we first got his big signing.
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Yeah. Anyway.
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And then I kind of bro, I buzzed out.
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One of the things that I buzzed out of First off is just how
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famous he was at so young. He was 8 years old, bro.
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And then when he got to 10 I think is when he was with Motown
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and they were telling him to tell people he was 8 still.
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And I don't think JB got like recruited until he was 13 or
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around then. And so if you think about that,
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bro, he's five years young. 8 years old bro is so young to be
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the face of a as a major entertainer and playing at clubs
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and I think he was playing at clubs and stuff.
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Yeah, from what it yeah. And but he didn't sound like a
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10 and 8 year old. His voice was so mature.
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His voice sounded like an amazing adult voice which I
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which I liked. It would have been buzzy though
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growing up in that period. I don't know, right now I'm
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trying to think if an 8 year old came out with a song if I would
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get. Behind it?
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Yeah. I don't know.
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You wouldn't. I don't reckon I would.
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AI wouldn't yeah, so No 8 year old could influ well 11 I guess
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or 12 whatever could honestly get get me on their on their.
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Train. Yeah, No, I don't think they
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could. Yeah.
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So I find that kind of buzzy. Yeah.
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But I think they were targeted towards kids though, right, to
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start with. And it kind of maybe it was like
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JB where they were targeted kids and he kind of grew up with
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them. But it seemed like everyone
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liked it, the Jackson 5 everyone.
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So that's kind of that was kind of buzzing me out.
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I think maybe we're why as well, because obviously maybe the
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brothers were a bit older. Yeah, yeah.
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So there was like a balance. Yeah, maybe, maybe like, I
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honestly don't know, bro. And like, well, the Jacksons,
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there's ten of them or even of them, like siblings.
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And yet five of them were really the the big, the big dogs, you
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know, in terms of who who was well, but.
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The one other thing I'll say about the movie, I thought the
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casting was real good. The like the dad casting that
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God forget us. Yeah, I thought he's a good
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actor. He acted that real well, I
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thought. And then also the MJ actor, he
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killed it. I reckon he did all the
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mannerisms and all the everything.
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Pretty 1st when you see Jafar just reminded me one of the kids
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it's called Joe Majesty. Yeah, his brother.
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Bro that is so bad. Bro that's a crazy Joe.
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Majesty is the craziest name I think.
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I think that's. His brother G Joe Majesty.
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I think it is a order. I got AI, got a.
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Bro, that is, that is such a buzzing name.
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Is that one of Michael's kids? Joe, Majesty.
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No, no, it's not Michael's kid. It's Jermaine's son, Jermaine.
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So. So Jafar, who played Michael in
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this movie, He, his dad is, Yeah, it's his brother.
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Jim. Majesty, Jim, Majesty bro,
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that's a crack up name, bro bro. So he comes from, I believe
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Jermaine's, I think he comes from.
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They have a massive family A. Yeah, he's Jermaine's son, So
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that's. So Jermaine Jackson is Michael
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Jackson's brother. Yeah, right.
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And so he's one of his sons. Yeah.
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And then so I guess just to wrap up rambling a bell on one of my
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take is the last thing I'll say is I found I always found these
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biopics and we talked about as obviously Michael's dead.
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So someone has to tell the story of the movie.
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And so they're obviously interviewing like the mum, the
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producer, all these people. And I reckon it's so obvious
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that you can tell the person who's told how to tell,
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illustrate the story paints themselves in a good light.
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For example, the mum, I thought, I don't actually know too much
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before I listen to a podcast about the history of MJ and it
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sounded like she was kind of, she wasn't obviously Joe Jackson
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was a freak. He was really hard on the mall
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and like hit them and well, it sounded real bad.
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Times were different then. Yeah, times were different.
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And then it sounded like the mum always stood up for Joe and was
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wasn't exactly against how he parented them.
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But in the movie, she's always like, don't, don't do that to
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Michael. And then at the end she has
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that. He tries to, he tries to fight,
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he fires him. And then he tries to kind of
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stand him over and the mum stands, goes he's not a kid
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anymore, you can't hit him. And I'm thinking, yeah, yeah.
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Did you really? You're just trying to add a
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little hero moment for yourself, I think.
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I don't know. But yeah, it just, I hate when
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that happens. It doesn't seem realistic.
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Sometimes when they try paint, the person is like, I don't
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know. But that's one thing I can kind
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of tell as well, and annoys me about the biopic sometimes.
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Yeah, yeah. What did you think anyway of the
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movie? Personally, I, I obviously I'm a
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massive MJ fan, so I went on obviously with the mindset that
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I'm going to enjoy it anyway regardless.
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And I did, I did in terms of like ranking out of 10,
21:03
honestly, it would be like a 7 as well.
21:05
Yeah, right. Seven, because honestly, maybe
21:10
even a six. The reason why I say that is
21:12
because I felt like it was rushed.
21:15
And I want to, I want to, like, just sit on this for a bit.
21:18
And I want you to think of Bohemian Rhapsody.
21:20
Yeah. And Bohemian Rhapsody was about
21:23
Freddie Mercury, the lead singer of Queen.
21:25
Yeah. And why I like that movie was
21:27
because they had one focus at the end of it, and that was that
21:31
he would perform at that big festival.
21:33
Yeah. I can't remember the festival
21:34
off the top of my head, but it LED up to that moment.
21:38
There's no real ending in the. So, and the reason why I believe
21:42
there was no end is because he's going to be a second movie.
21:44
So that's where I think they're going to go with this.
21:45
But with Bohemian Rhapsody, I was ranked out of 10 out of 10,
21:49
bro, because it was again, well casted.
21:52
The actor performed really well. I think something Malik or
21:55
something in the mean. Yeah, that there's a main actor.
21:56
Main actor, yeah. And he.
21:58
But what I liked about it was that there was an end insight.
22:01
So like it was a big lead up until this this one concert.
22:04
Yeah, the most famous concert I think was at Wembley or
22:07
something like that. Yeah, I'm probably wrong.
22:10
I'm probably. That fundraiser, eh I.
22:12
Believe so and. Then he queen plays and they all
22:15
the phones start going crazy and they.
22:17
Kill it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:18
He was in Queen, right? He was in Queen.
22:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the lead singer.
22:21
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when I compare it to
22:24
something like that, that's where I'll kind of go.
22:26
OK. I, I really enjoyed that because
22:29
obviously it had an end insight. That's where my mindset is at.
22:32
Is there going to be the same thing with Michael?
22:33
So with Michael, because his life was so big, like he spent
22:37
like he in the entertainment industry, bro, he was in there
22:40
for almost, I think 40 years. Yeah.
22:42
You know, which is crazy to think about it.
22:44
Yeah. And I want to go, I want to talk
22:46
about how famous he was. So like he is so famous bro that
22:50
here's here's a clip of a French have you seen it?
22:54
A French reporter goes into the Amazon and goes and talks to one
22:59
of the most untouched Amazon. 'S no way bro bro.
23:04
And they play a video and they all supposedly, and then I'll
23:07
Fact Check this too. They they know Michael.
23:10
Bro. I'm like, bro, that is insane.
23:13
I just so supposedly this is that that was a true story.
23:17
Now, obviously, you know, it's probably it's debatable.
23:19
It's debatable, but that's how famous he is.
23:22
But I want to play a clip for you as well.
23:24
And I came across and you know, this day and age, young people
23:31
even know who Michael Jackson is.
23:33
So I want to play a clip where a guy asks Gary Vee, you know,
23:37
well known marketer, whatever, whatever.
23:39
He he he kind of asks, he gets asked this question.
23:41
I want to get your opinion on it.
23:44
One of the biggest influences. Of all time.
23:46
Yes. Now compared to like other
23:48
celebrities, like would you, where would you put him, right?
23:51
Up to like the Michael. Jackson tour because like, I
23:53
mean, he goes to Africa and it's like to see the amount of people
23:55
that care. About I show speed is not a
23:57
pimple on Michael Jackson's ass yet.
24:00
OK. You have No, You're too young to
24:02
understand how uncomfortably famous, Michael.
24:05
You understand if this was Super Bowl 1985, not one person in
24:10
here would not know who Michael Jackson is.
24:12
Not one, really. I think you're smart enough to
24:15
know there's many people. Sir.
24:17
Do you know who I show speed is? OK.
24:20
Thank you, Sir. No worries at all that you
24:23
understand. In 1985, everybody would know
24:27
who Michael Jackson was. The first person I just asked if
24:30
they know who I show speed is. He had no clue.
24:33
I show speed is uncomfortably crazy.
24:36
Did you see how emphatically I said yes to how famous he is?
24:40
But don't get it twisted. Not to Michael Jackson.
24:42
That's what I like about people like that.
24:44
Like so it's true, bro. Back in back in that time,
24:47
everyone knew who he was. And I came across this this post
24:51
and. The one thing I'll say though,
24:53
just to that before we oh, sorry, you can jump into.
24:55
It No, no, no. Yep, is I get that that he was
24:58
real famous, but I just want people to like not like him just
25:06
because he's famous, but you know, obviously like him because
25:09
of his music and what he's good for.
25:11
Like just because he's well known doesn't mean that
25:14
necessarily he's good. It obviously does because he is
25:18
good, but that's what that's one thing is side side.
25:22
No, sorry to disrupt, but the I won't.
25:26
When people say MJ is the GOAT and they don't listen to his
25:29
songs, then I'm like, you're just buying into the media and
25:34
everyone saying he's the GOAT because everyone loved him, so
25:37
I'm gonna respect him and he's my GOAT.
25:39
But he has to be your goat. He has to be the one that you
25:42
like the most and you listen to the most.
25:44
Yeah, that's the only thing I say.
25:45
But I've actually come around lots to the movie made me
25:49
realize that how many songs I actually do rate from him.
25:52
So I'm a bit, I'm a bit more on board, but OK, OK.
25:55
Yeah, yeah. So I came across this post not
25:57
long after and it was people are trying to explain how famous
25:59
Michael Jackson actually was. And no one can actually think of
26:02
a person even close. So I think you would find this a
26:04
little bit funny. That's why I'm bringing it to
26:05
the podcast. So the question was, how big is
26:08
the gap in fame between, say, LeBron James and Michael
26:10
Jackson? And someone goes As far as fame
26:14
goes, Mike is in a closer conversation with Jesus than he
26:17
is with other celebrities, and I genuinely wish I was
26:19
exaggerating. Someone else goes I'm closer and
26:22
fame to LeBron than LeBron is to Michael.
26:24
Do you actually believe that bro Low?
26:27
Key. I can see where someone's coming
26:30
with it because. Music is more it goes across
26:34
more people than than sports. Like if you don't like if you
26:37
don't like sports. Yeah.
26:38
If you don't like sports, like if you don't like specifically
26:40
basketball. Yeah, right.
26:41
You're not You're not going to know.
26:42
Yeah. Yeah.
26:43
No one's really going to care. You know, someone else goes.
26:45
Imagine Cristiano Ronaldo and Missy's level of fame combined
26:48
together together. And it's another tier above
26:51
that. That's where they're they're
26:53
kind of going. All right.
26:55
It's not a single human being that is close fame wise to Mike.
26:59
Lastly, this man is still making girls pass out 17 years after he
27:03
died here. He's the greatest to ever do it
27:06
man. This is basically when his
27:07
biopic came out. Why were people passing out
27:09
though? Because let's be honest, he
27:10
wasn't that good looking. I reckon when he was after his
27:16
Off the Wall album and he started getting the nose jobs
27:18
and stuff, yeah, he was all right.
27:20
Like he was all right. Yeah, he definitely was all
27:22
right looking. He was all right, but not pass
27:23
out looking. So what was making people faint?
27:25
I think how good his music was. Maybe that just how famous.
27:29
And how famous? Well, I think.
27:30
Of it like when I go see some of my favorite artists I'm like.
27:33
Bro crazy this is. Crazy, man.
27:35
And like, when you're in a mosh pit, it's hot.
27:37
You've been in a mosh pit. You know, I remember when I went
27:39
and saw the Migos. Yeah.
27:41
I was like, Gee, I'm about to die in this mosh pit.
27:43
Like bamboo, you know what I mean?
27:48
Yeah, yeah. I kind of just felt like that
27:49
was that's probably also something that that influenced
27:52
it all. Yeah.
27:53
So going on, what about? What about?
27:55
Are you going to keep going? I was just.
27:57
Going to say, based off the reviews now, Rotten Tomatoes is
28:00
obviously worldwide known. OK, Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 38
28:04
percent, 38% Yep for the biopic. So what's interesting about this
28:10
is that with that rating, fans can also vote and it got a 97%.
28:17
See, that's people being blind to their preconceived idea of
28:23
Michael Jackson. I reckon it was not a 97%.
28:27
There's no. Way it's because like you're
28:29
saying, people were so infatuated and in love with just
28:33
him as a person. Damn, so they rated a 30% Rotten
28:37
Tomatoes? 38 yeah, I think it was I think
28:39
it was even lower bro. I believe it was actually 20
28:41
something percent when it. 1st, right, OK, yeah.
28:43
But then again, I look at what rotten Rotten Tomatoes is.
28:46
Trained they are bro, they actually.
28:47
Are because there are some really good movies out there
28:49
yeah that I rate and it's so low on on the scale and I'm like
28:53
yeah, that'd be. Right.
28:54
In terms of movies though, bro, like you said with the Bohemian
28:57
Rhapsody, bro, that was such a good one because it actually
29:00
told a really good story about his life.
29:02
You know about him first making it in that little bar he was in,
29:05
and then he obviously gets famous and it shows how crazy
29:09
that is, and he gets sick. Yeah.
29:10
And then it's like a final ending and it all wraps up.
29:13
Well, I reckon that. But Michael, there's no story
29:15
told. No, really.
29:16
It's just. It's like a quick you got to get
29:19
through as yeah, it maybe it's because of how famous he was.
29:22
There were so many key points and I I probably, I really hope
29:25
though, that the second movie. Wraps it up kind of well.
29:29
Well, yeah. I'll finish on this though with
29:30
this this post. Michael Jackson was 28, the
29:33
biggest musician in the world and still living with his
29:35
parents. So maybe living at home isn't a
29:37
failure. He'll make it up.
29:40
That's so true bro I was wondering I was like does this?
29:42
Guy move out. Were you wondering there?
29:45
But I was like this guy, really at the hope for that look.
29:48
I cracked up over there when the brothers came and they're like,
29:51
bro, we're trying to go see some girls and he's like, you want to
29:53
play Twister? Yeah, I was like.
29:55
And then he's like, Jermaine's about to twist something, but
29:58
it's not, it's not twisted. I was like, that's how famous he
30:04
is. But you know, they're like like
30:05
we've spoken about in the past, he's influenced so many artists.
30:07
Chris Brown, JB, like JB bro JB don't just go get any monkey
30:11
bro. He he's seen that cause Michael
30:13
done. Wait, does he have a monkey?
30:14
He had a monkey. See, that's what I don't really
30:16
respect that to be on your best, your best friend's a monkey.
30:20
I was like, bro, that's kind of. Crazy that's but then you see
30:23
when he when the monkey came out, how how much his parents
30:25
were like, oh, he is different. Yeah.
30:27
So I actually think Michael and I said this to you before, he
30:31
might, he probably was on the spectrum.
30:33
Yeah, he could have been, I think.
30:34
He actually was on the spectrum bro, because not no regular
30:37
person does really that stuff, but they're drinking.
30:39
About the monkey, The CGI. I thought it was good, I thought
30:42
it was good. I thought it was just like over
30:44
dramatized. Same and I didn't like bro I'm I
30:47
swear you can't read a picture book to the monkey and he was
30:49
like a little baby turning the pages and stuff.
30:52
Wow bro, if you're a. Chimpanzee doesn't.
30:54
It's not a humor. Well, you still got a little bit
30:56
of but. Have you seen the gorilla?
30:58
Have you seen that gorilla Coco? No.
31:00
You know, you know who's the guy?
31:01
That the Jumanji, the original the original.
31:05
I don't know, no. No, you do know him.
31:06
He, he actually, sadly, he committed suicide, bro.
31:10
Oh, you know him, bro. What's what else?
31:12
He's on so many movies. Anyway, he he went and saw Coco,
31:17
and Coco knew him because they had shown.
31:21
They had shown him. Oh, what's his name?
31:24
Robert Williams. Robin.
31:25
Williams. Robin Williams.
31:26
Yes. So Robin Williams went.
31:28
Did he commit suicide? Yeah.
31:30
Bro, it was really sad. God damn.
31:31
Yeah. So he he famously sorry.
31:33
He went and met Coco who was a famous gorilla and she was
31:37
taught to sign language bro so she could sign language and they
31:39
would read books bro. So he read a book to her and
31:42
knew. They were like sign language.
31:44
That was sign language in touch. I was like bro this is amazing
31:47
man. Like I so to go back on the
31:49
communication part monkeys do. You reckon they can't?
31:52
I just said taught bro the the chimpanzees started like turning
31:55
the pages, like a little baby and stuff.
31:57
I was thinking bro surely the chimpanzees are ripping the
32:01
pages and stuff. I don't know but.
32:03
So one thing one thing I will say why I love Michael bro.
32:06
I reckon he honestly so like I said at the beginning, he is one
32:08
of the greatest entertainers of all time.
32:10
I love his dance like his style bro, He is he is so good.
32:14
So I've got a clip here and it's.
32:15
Smoothest spins a. Smoothest spins.
32:17
Now, I don't think I have a spin in this one, but I want to.
32:20
I want to show you a clip from his London performance where he
32:23
performed in front of Princess Diana at the time.
32:24
How old was he? A nurse.
32:26
So in 1988, So like 38? Oh no, he died at 40 something
32:31
so minus. I think he died at 51.
32:33
Oh, he got 51 so -20 from there. Oh, 30, yeah.
32:36
So he'd be like. 30 so, so obviously he he kind of just
32:39
brought out off the wall and Thriller, I believe, yeah.
32:43
And so he is worldwide famous. But this is a clip that I want
32:46
to show you, particularly his Billie Jean performance in this
32:49
concept. Yeah.
32:50
Now this I've skipped past the I think I've skipped past the the
32:55
moonwalk or it's coming up to it.
32:56
OK, but I'm only going to show you a quick snippet of it.
32:58
OK All right. And get your perform, get you
33:00
all your thoughts on this. I just find it crazy that he can
33:49
just move like that. Yeah, his body, like the MV,
33:52
like you see it seamless. Bro, I was saying to you before,
33:55
I reckon he would have been a really good athlete day.
33:58
Yeah, I would love to put him through a combine bar because I
34:01
reckon he would have been a mean athlete.
34:03
Like the way his body moves, you can tell he's just got mean body
34:06
movement. I bet you're here to be in a
34:08
good stepper bar. I always wonder that that's my,
34:11
that's my hot take with like steppers.
34:13
Yeah, I reckon they would all be good dancers.
34:15
Yeah, because I reckon it's like a.
34:17
It's kind of like a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what
34:21
you're saying. So I reckon he would have had a
34:22
little bit of a whack or something but.
34:24
You've just given me an idea. We should honestly put together
34:27
a best starting 13 dancers or steppers.
34:30
Steppers but based off musicians.
34:32
Oh yeah, bro, that's a great idea.
34:35
Anyway, I found something else as well.
34:36
So Michael Jackson becomes the first artist in history to chart
34:38
inside the top ten of Billboard Hot 106 distinct decades.
34:42
That's crazy to me, bro. So he's that like, it's that's
34:46
unheard of at the moment too. Like I, I, he's been blowing up.
34:50
And so he's #15 on Spotify listens of all time at like, as
34:54
of right now. Did he?
34:55
Bump up how many sports do you like hate like 15?
34:58
I think it all like close to it. I I.
35:00
Heard something that he was sick and below JB right now I think.
35:04
He oh, no, no, no. That that I do know where you're
35:08
going with that. Yeah.
35:09
I think he's first. Oh, is he above JB now?
35:12
I. Think OK, I think, but is that
35:15
based on 2026 and it's only the start of 2026 really.
35:18
So, you know, that can definitely change, but has
35:20
something to do with like I want to say if he was still alive,
35:24
it's something to do with that correlation, but I don't know
35:26
really where where it's going with that.
35:27
So yeah, but he's definitely my go.
35:30
I, I, I've been jamming him all weeks since the since the the
35:35
movie. But I want to get into list of
35:36
box office hits. OK.
35:39
And then we'll kind of lead into where we kind of we, we rank
35:43
these biopics. So Michael is a clear winner
35:45
when it comes to current biopic. So the the biopics that I've
35:50
I've kind of put in was Ray so Ray Charles, which is the rise
35:53
of a blind musical gene. So I'm just going to go through.
35:56
So these are these are movies of artists, biopics.
35:59
And we're going to rank them. Rank them.
36:01
OK. Yeah.
36:01
So. So Ray, Ray Charles, he's the.
36:05
It was a rise. It was based on the rise of a
36:07
blind musical genius who shaped soul in R&B.
36:09
And he was famously played by Jamie Foxx.
36:12
Side note, Fox won an Oscar for this which was based off his
36:16
insanely accurate. Performance.
36:18
That's one of the goats, bro, 100% how he plays, that is.
36:21
So I didn't, I didn't really watch Ray, but it actually made
36:25
me feel like I was watching Ray. Yeah, and it was crazy, bro.
36:29
The second one that we put out on this one is Bohemian
36:31
Rhapsody, which came out in 2018.
36:32
So Ray came out in 2004 by just for your information, but
36:36
Bohemian Rhapsody, which was based on Freddie Mercury and the
36:39
band Queen and played by Rami Malik, and it focuses heavily on
36:42
Live Aid and Freddy's larger than live persona.
36:45
The third one we put out was Rocket Man, based on Elton John.
36:48
That one was actually a good 129 one there.
36:50
Yeah, it was right for me personal personally.
36:53
Which came out a year later after Bohemian Rhapsody in 2019,
36:56
played by Taron Egerton and more of a musical fantasy than a
37:00
straight biopic. And it was very stylized, which
37:02
it was. It was like, bro, how do you
37:04
float on a piano? Yeah.
37:07
Do you remember that? Yeah.
37:08
Yeah. What the hell.
37:09
Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
37:10
It was like, real. Kind of trippy a heaps of it.
37:12
Yeah, it was trippy. A yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:14
The other one was Elvis, which came out in 2022, obviously
37:17
based on Elvis Presley, played by Austin Butler, and obviously
37:20
big flashy storytelling through his manager's.
37:22
Particular one was trash. Yeah.
37:24
Oh yeah, yeah. One that you brought up, which
37:27
was brought out in 2002, Eight Mile, which was inspired by
37:30
Eminem's early laugh life, not a direct biopic, but very close,
37:35
played by Eminem himself. I reckon he was such a good
37:38
actor doing that and we'll we'll come around again to that.
37:40
But basically his origin story in disguise.
37:43
The last one we put out was came out in 05 Get rich or Die Try
37:47
and inspired by $0.50. Life played by $0.50 and it was
37:50
based on gritty St. to fame story.
37:52
Similar vibe to 8 Mile. OK, so when I kind of looked at
37:56
the box office hits here. So Michael was the clear winner.
37:59
So 97 mil in its opening weekend alone.
38:02
So over 3 days. Damn, it's already. 97 mil.
38:07
OK, so it's the biggest ever for a musical biopic and it's
38:10
already tracking towards 500 million worldwide.
38:13
Just to give you context. Bohemian Rhapsody, it's total
38:17
gross is currently just over $900 million.
38:21
So the fact that it's not even been out for a week and it's
38:23
tracking towards 500 plus, yeah, that kind of goes to show how
38:27
popular this movie is kind of going.
38:30
It's opening week, though Bohemian Rhapsody was only 51
38:33
million. Oh damn, so it's almost double.
38:35
So it's almost double. Yeah, Elvis did well as well,
38:38
288 million grossing currently Ray, a solid performer for it's
38:42
era. 125 million worldwide on a $40 million budget.
38:46
So they may profit on that one. And Rocket Man was modest, 195
38:50
million worldwide. 8 Mile and Git Die Triangle, both
38:54
profitable but nowhere near blockbuster territory.
38:56
Unfortunately, there was no kind of money.
38:59
Right. On that one, unfortunately.
39:01
So I kind of want to get your opinion on where we would both
39:05
kind of rank our top three. Yeah, let's go top three or
39:08
yeah, yeah or no, just rank them.
39:10
Just rank them. Yeah, OK bro.
39:12
You rank one, I rank the next. OK.
39:15
And we'll get down to the OK. Well, so I get to choose one.
39:19
And I Yeah, but no, no, no. So we're gonna go through the
39:20
whole list that I've just discussed.
39:22
Yeah. So you've got Ray, Bohemian,
39:25
Rocket Man, Michael, Elvis, Eight Mile, and get Ditron.
39:28
So we've got 7. Yeah, but we have to do
39:31
ultimate. OK, All right, so.
39:33
Which one are you putting in the seventh spot?
39:37
The last. So the last spot for me, Elvis.
39:40
I agree. Yeah, I agree.
39:41
So that's down there. Number 2 for me would be Rocket
39:50
Man. Yeah, I agree.
39:54
I agree. Rocket Man I didn't like.
39:55
Yeah, I didn't mind it, but I like the other ones way more.
39:58
I didn't. I actually didn't like it, eh?
40:01
Between Elvis and that one, yeah.
40:02
Yeah. All right, so that's our sixth
40:03
spot #5 Michael, yeah. You know what, bro?
40:07
I'm gonna say yeah that. I didn't think you'd agree.
40:10
No, I'm not offended by that. Yeah, because I can definitely
40:12
see. Just the movie.
40:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I can definitely see
40:15
that. Damn, that actually hits.
40:18
That hits the FTU there, yeah. It's all good.
40:20
This gets hard now, though. It does.
40:22
But I'm gonna say so that was #5 yeah, so #4 I'm gonna put get
40:28
rich, die trying. Oh, that's going to be my number
40:31
one. I can get.
40:31
I can. I can live with it.
40:33
For me, that's one OK, that's one.
40:36
OK, I'll I'll live with that. So what have we got left?
40:40
We got Eight Mile, Bohemian Rhapsody and Ray.
40:44
So what? Are you putting that #3?
40:47
Bohemian Rhapsody. Oh shit, straight up.
40:50
Yeah. That was my number one was it?
40:53
Yeah, bro. I got in that three bro.
40:56
OK, so we got eight mile, Ray left Bro 2's eight mile.
41:00
Eight Mile, Yeah, OK. I can live with Ray I.
41:03
Can live with. Ray Yeah, I'm gonna tell you
41:05
straight up, bro, that that hands down Jamie Foxx.
41:09
I've never seen anyone play an actor as great as Jamie.
41:12
Foxx and the movie is just it has so many good when when his
41:15
brother dies, bro, and he's there and that shapes how you're
41:18
like, bro, he went through that the hell that's crazy.
41:21
And and then how he was actually brought up in the like really
41:26
poor kind of fields and it shows how poor he was and then you're
41:31
slowly going blind. It tells us such a good story.
41:34
Yeah, yeah. I was just like, also just to
41:36
see Jamie's imitations. Yeah.
41:41
Is it imitation? Like, you know, when they, you
41:44
know how he's acting? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:46
Just to see the traits and characteristics that he was able
41:48
to pull off. Yeah, like the twitches.
41:50
That yeah, yeah, yeah. Looking like this and blind.
41:53
Like I was like, God damn, is that Stevie?
41:54
Yeah, bro, you know what I mean? Like.
41:56
He did it so well, all these little.
41:58
Parts that made Ray, right? Yeah, he did.
42:01
Honestly, at a level no one else, I reckon, could have done,
42:04
bro. No way.
42:04
No one else could have done. Here's the goat, bro.
42:06
I had that kind of stuff. So I can live with this being on
42:10
another one. I can live with that.
42:12
I mean get rich, die trying hurts because for me that's one
42:14
just the why I love eight man get rich or die trying, which I
42:18
found Michael didn't have is they were.
42:22
It was more I felt like it just didn't really follow Michael
42:25
that much to tell the story. You didn't really get to it
42:29
didn't really follow him about his kind of him lots throughout
42:35
the movie. Do you know what I mean?
42:37
Right. I felt like it was more, for
42:39
example, get rich or die trying. It shows him as a kid and it
42:42
follows him and his, you know, when his mum gets shot and he's
42:45
with his auntie and he starts rapping and that kind of thing.
42:48
It doesn't really have that same character development as these
42:51
other movies. Yeah.
42:52
It's more of a just like, show this moment then show this
42:55
moment. Yeah.
42:56
And you don't really get to feel like, you know, Michael, I don't
42:59
reckon. Yeah, I I get we, I get, I get
43:01
where you're kind of coming across with it.
43:03
Yeah, I wanna, I put this ranking Yeah, into AI.
43:10
Oh, did you? And I asked it give me your
43:12
honest, you know, rank, where would you rank it?
43:14
So when if you blind rank it, it went OK.
43:22
So last they put Ray. Really it put Ray at #7 bro 6 it
43:29
put rocket man. 5th it put eight mile. 4th it put.
43:35
Bro so it's gone exactly opposite of what we did.
43:37
The way we kind of pretty much did it, yeah, yeah.
43:40
Literally at four it put Elvis, three it put Bohemian Rhapsody,
43:47
2 Michael and one was get rich die trying fuzzy crazy.
43:53
Eh, that's probably that's pretty buzzy that it put get
43:57
rich and I trying because I thought that because it didn't
44:00
do massive sales, it wouldn't have ranked it pretty high.
44:02
Yeah, but it must be a very accurate telling of of 50 story,
44:08
right? Yeah.
44:08
So I do wonder though, is AI kind of also?
44:14
Why does it want us to might like that?
44:17
Is it favoring Michael? Maybe $0.50 has some investments
44:20
and Claude or something, so it's pushing all his stuff forward.
44:23
Yeah, but I do think Barry. So I want to, I want to get 2
44:26
stories out before we finish Number one.
44:28
I think Michael is honestly an OG original gangster, right?
44:32
And the reason why I say that there is no one like him.
44:37
What person can go up to one of the most famous bands in the
44:40
world, The Beatles and go talk to Paul McCartney and say hey
44:43
Paul, how much would you buy The Beatles for?
44:45
And just he throws out a rough figure.
44:47
Yeah, Jay. And like, within a few weeks or
44:49
whatever, Michael bought The Beatles.
44:51
Yeah. It's like Jay.
44:52
That's gangster. Yeah.
44:54
And you know what? I was reading about that.
44:56
And he gave, he gave lots of the songs back to the original Black
44:59
owners. That's great.
45:00
For free. Wow.
45:01
He gave them back from free. Wow.
45:03
I thought that was pretty cool. And he he just, he didn't care.
45:06
He just. No.
45:07
Yeah. He just what?
45:09
That's what I love about Michael.
45:10
And you do see that throughout the movie, too.
45:11
Is that how much he did care for other people?
45:13
Yeah. That's why he was in the
45:14
hospitals all the. Time.
45:15
Yeah. Yeah, because he was.
45:15
Caring for others and and what not.
45:17
Actually another story too. The Pepsi part yeah.
45:20
Where is hair caught on fire? Bro?
45:22
I want to show you the clip of of what actually happened and
45:27
just how close it was to how the movie portrayed it.
45:31
OK, OK. Yeah.
45:32
Because in the movie he kind of catches fire and they come out,
45:35
talk. The doctor talks to the family
45:37
and says he really could have died.
45:38
And Joe Jack's like, what can you perform again?
45:40
That's right. Yeah.
45:41
So this is the actual clip that I found of Michael and has he
45:46
getting caught on fire. Oh.
46:01
Bro that actually happened in the movie.
46:02
Like how well detailed that was. People rushing in.
46:07
Bro his whole hair was on flight.
46:09
That was actually a sports. Crazy, eh?
46:26
OK, Dan, that did look pretty bad.
46:27
Yeah. So that was that was the number
46:30
two-story that I wanted to get out.
46:32
Yeah, that's pretty bad bro it. Was eh, So, yeah, for people
46:35
that that might think that it was over dramatized, yeah, but
46:39
it was pretty serious. And so people were kind of
46:41
thinking, how the hell does his hair catch on fire?
46:43
But it's because he had so much product in his hair.
46:46
You know, obviously, you know, when you look in the part when
46:48
you're in movies and stuff, you got makeup on.
46:49
You got, you know, like all the what's it called the products in
46:53
your hair yeah, to make it look good flammable.
46:55
Yeah, it's all flammable. So obviously when the firework
46:58
went off, boom, bang got caught and I was like, Oh my gosh,
47:01
he's. I'm gonna be honest, when they
47:03
said it in the movie, like he could have died, I thought they
47:05
were being dramatic. OK, I thought they were being
47:07
dramatic. But then after seeing that, bro,
47:09
his head was on fire. G, that was like, bro, what's
47:14
that? Knight Rider.
47:16
Yeah, yeah. Ghost Rider.
47:18
Ghost Rider Rider. Ghost Rider 100.
47:21
Percent. I know, yeah.
47:23
Are you looking at something? Yeah bro, I just have a story to
47:25
say cuz I listened to podcast this week about Michael just
47:28
because I was keen to learn more about it.
47:31
I don't understand. Do you know he pretty much and
47:33
he made Super Bowl halftime performances.
47:36
I I heard something like. So.
47:38
What he no, he turned it into. What it is into a halftime
47:41
performance. So pretty much Super Bowl
47:42
obviously has always been popular in America and one year
47:47
TV company, I think it was in 1992, they kind of did their own
47:52
half time performance in the half time break and they found
47:56
out that it took 10 million viewers or something away from
47:59
the actual Super Bowl. And then so the NFL and Super
48:02
Bowl, all the companies thought, well, man, we need to try and do
48:05
something to keep people tuned in during the half time.
48:09
And so they introduced the half time Super Bowl like performance
48:14
to a like more so like, I think it was like a kid show pretty
48:17
much before that. And then so they brought Michael
48:19
Jackson in in for the 1993 half time performance.
48:25
There's a few points on this is because he actually, it's
48:28
actually built up a bit more than what it actually was
48:31
because he does the famous comes out and he isn't performing and
48:34
he he's just standing there and and then the crowd's going
48:37
crazy. But they're not bro.
48:40
Because the sound engineer came in and I see the he apparently
48:43
the crowd, the crowd was actually pretty quiet and they
48:46
were like, what's happening? Is there a technical malfunction
48:49
when? And it was actually pretty
48:50
quiet, right. But the sound engineer has come
48:52
out and said that he added like cheering and stuff into it and
48:56
made it sound real Me and it sounds mean when you watch it.
48:58
That sounds crazy. Yeah.
49:00
And now looking back at it, it's gangster.
49:02
It's gangster like it's so good. But they actually added cheering
49:06
into that. OK.
49:07
But they've after that there was more people tuned in for the
49:13
Super Bowl half time performance worldwide than the actual Super
49:17
Bowl. And so from there it set the
49:20
president like, damn, this works.
49:21
This keeps people and actually gains, gets us more followers.
49:24
And now it's obviously what it is today, one of the biggest
49:26
performances you can do. And but I didn't actually know
49:30
that. Eh, yeah.
49:31
OK. So I thought that was a pretty,
49:33
pretty cool one. The other one I was watching, I
49:40
don't really want to get into it actually, because it's all the
49:42
all the bad stuff and, you know, it's it's all speculation,
49:46
really. Yeah.
49:47
Yeah. So I don't, yeah, I don't know.
49:50
Let's not get into that part. Time for another podcast later
49:53
on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:54
Stand for another podcast. That's all right, yeah.
49:56
What would what would be your top three super?
50:00
Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowls, bro.
50:02
My favorite one was Rihanna's one.
50:06
Then I'll probably go Michael Jackson one.
50:08
I'll put that second and then bro, you're ready.
50:12
Come round to this. There hasn't been that many that
50:15
I absolutely love there. Like I'm Katy Perry's was good,
50:18
but I'm not going to put it that high.
50:19
Eminem is that that was pretty good, but I'm not going to put
50:21
it that high. Bruno Mars's 1 was pretty good.
50:24
Yeah. Yeah, I've got Bruno Mars.
50:25
Yeah. I'd go, I'd go Prince number
50:27
one, yeah. 2 for me would be Rihanna.
50:33
Yeah. And three for me would be cuz I
50:40
love Michael, but I wouldn't put Michael there.
50:42
Yeah, I would put honestly, I would put Katy Perry.
50:45
Katy Perry coming through. I really love Katy Perry's one
50:47
man. Yeah, Coldplay's not far behind
50:49
that either. But Michael was definitely top
50:51
five for me. What's the whole, just to finish
50:53
up, what's the whole debate about Prince or Michael?
50:57
Because I've heard lots of things about they were kind of
51:01
in the same generation A and they were battling, yeah, but
51:04
I've heard lots of things as Prince was a bit of musician,
51:08
but Michael was a bit of performer.
51:10
It's actually interesting. But his, his beats and his
51:13
sound, his production is so mean.
51:16
And listening to it in the movies, you can hear all the
51:18
yeah, like. The all the beats.
51:21
Are the bad as like but but Quincy Jones must have been
51:25
like. Goaded a go.
51:26
Yeah, he was the OG beats by Drake.
51:29
Yeah, yeah. It sounded like it because it
51:32
was talking about he made all the beats and they're all so
51:34
different. They have a unique sound to
51:35
Michael. So I was thinking he must have
51:37
helped so much with all of Michael's rise as an individual
51:42
because it sounded like that he was a big catalyst to leaving
51:46
Jackson 5. They did like a movie, right?
51:49
And then I think they it was a movie called.
51:53
Oh, he's done a few movies, bro. Yeah, and, and they think he met
51:56
Quincy Jones in that movie. Yeah.
51:58
And then sort of helped him move out.
51:59
But yeah, I thought that was something that I didn't actually
52:02
appreciate of Michael's beforehand, as well as his
52:05
actual production of his music. Yeah.
52:06
How how like? Well, we should do another
52:08
podcast on on that beef. Yeah.
52:11
Between Prince and and Michael, Yeah.
52:13
I don't know much about it either.
52:14
Yeah, I do know that exists. And a big one was James Brown's
52:18
performance at one of the low. What?
52:20
What was it? I don't know if it was actually
52:21
maybe a James Brown concert or if it was, is that Motown or
52:23
something? Yeah.
52:24
And he calls Michael up and Michael comes up on stage and he
52:28
starts just doing his thing. I wish I could show you now, but
52:30
you know. Yeah, Yeah.
52:31
Just for the purpose of the podcast.
52:32
But then Michael supposedly tells James Brown Prince is in
52:37
the audience. Brown Prince supposedly is off
52:40
his head at this point, like he's drunk, drunk or high or
52:43
whatever, bro. And he calls Prince up and
52:45
Prince comes up and he just starts doing this thing, bro.
52:47
And it's like, bro, three of the greatest icons true on stage.
52:52
And they're just kind of like low key battling in this battle
52:54
without really making it a battle.
52:56
Yeah, yeah, low key. I reckon they loved each other.
52:58
Maybe like as in you know? Bro who do you like more?
53:01
Bro Michael. As a musician, yeah.
53:03
Prince. Oh, yeah.
53:05
OK, bro, Because it's true. Prince.
53:07
Prince really is a musical genius.
53:09
Yeah. He could play every instrument.
53:11
Yeah. He could sing high and he could
53:13
sing low. Yeah, he seriously, bro, he was
53:16
a musical genius. He could also dance.
53:18
That's the craziest thing, right?
53:19
Yeah. But in terms of overall artists,
53:22
it's always Michael, because Michael made music really what
53:25
it is today in my. He made an opinion.
53:27
Bangers. Bangers.
53:28
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
53:29
So that's where I'm going to. But I want to leave you with a
53:32
story here. Kind of wrap things up.
53:34
Now. I've got a story that kind of
53:37
sounds fake, but it's 100% real. OK.
53:40
Now I want you to think of the Jackson family, right?
53:41
They're chaotic. Yeah.
53:42
All right. People.
53:43
People know them as being like this family.
53:45
It's like they were the OG Kardashians, OK?
53:49
So they were crazy. Like people.
53:50
They had they everyone knew that they were wild stories.
53:53
Part of this. All right, now, Jermaine
53:54
Jackson, OK. Michael Jackson's brother, he
53:57
marries a woman. Have you heard of this?
53:59
No. OK, so he marries a woman and
54:02
has kids with her, Right. So a normal start, normal
54:04
family, whatever, whatever. Long down the line, they break
54:08
up, they split. Yeah.
54:09
OK. Then his younger brother, Randy
54:12
Jackson, steps in. Steps in how?
54:16
Ends up having kids with the same woman.
54:19
Oh, that's weird. That's I don't like that.
54:22
Bro the same. Was that where Your Majesty came
54:25
from? Yes.
54:26
No. So Your Majesty and Jafar.
54:28
Jafar, who they were both from. They were the OG ones.
54:33
The OG ones OK so same woman, two brothers, 4 kids.
54:37
Now the kids are half siblings, but they are also cousins at the
54:42
same time. Yeah, that's crazy.
54:44
So what are they in my head? I'm like at Christmas or like at
54:48
Thanksgiving? What are they calling each
54:50
other? Are they calling each other's
54:50
brothers, Cousins. Covers like what are they?
54:56
Where is where is this dynamic bro?
54:59
So I wanna look at their family tree and be like Gee.
55:03
That's an absolute spaghetti junction.
55:05
A bro where they are the OG Polynesians.
55:09
Yeah, that's that's too much mixing and mingling.
55:12
Bo Bo was she had absolute like glamour or something.
55:16
I. Don't know.
55:17
I know she was like she. Had to have been Bo.
55:19
She was running through the Jackson.
55:20
Oh, was she? Yeah, she was South American or
55:22
something. Oh damn, the Latino.
55:25
Yeah, but that's not even God damn.
55:27
Yeah, but obviously they have a lot more crazy stories.
55:29
So what? So what happens with the Does
55:33
she get double like 250% divorce settlements?
55:37
Well, actually, supposedly her and the second brother Randy
55:42
didn't get married right, but. Still child support.
55:44
Child support. Yeah, bro.
55:46
She living off that. Yeah, State, yeah, that's you
55:50
can't be doing that though. That's bro, there's too many
55:52
fish in the sea to be doing that.
55:54
Oh man, like come on, can't. Yeah, bro.
55:57
Like why are you doing that to yourself?
55:59
Bro that's the ultimate awkward. You come out like my uncle was
56:04
my. Step dad.
56:06
Half, yeah. Stepdad.
56:08
No, actually, there's no, no, there's no relation.
56:10
Actually there's none. It's Uncle.
56:12
It's Uncle. Yeah, that's weird.
56:15
No no for the OG ones, the stepdad and uncle.
56:20
Oh my gosh, yes it is. Yeah, yeah, that's twisted.
56:25
That's twisted for the How famous were those other
56:32
brothers? I feel like they could walk down
56:34
the street and no one would know.
56:36
Them I think they are pretty famous.
56:37
Are they are they all still alive?
56:40
Some of them would be maybe DOA because.
56:41
Everything. I think majority of them are
56:43
still alive. True, I think majority.
56:45
I think Michael's honestly one. I think he's maybe I don't want.
56:48
To I would only know Janet Jackson if I saw them on the
56:50
street. I would walk past every single
56:52
other one. I wouldn't know who they.
56:53
Are you know how I know? Nose Do they all have the nose
56:56
they. All got the nose now bro.
56:58
They all follow Michael Mann, did they?
57:00
I think so. Some of them probably don't, but
57:02
you know I'm saying for the mate.
57:03
Bro I didn't know that. Latoya's got it, Janet's got it.
57:08
I feel like Jermaine's got something there, bro.
57:11
They they got it. God damn, the mum's got it.
57:16
The. Mum's still alive too.
57:17
Bro do they? Are they like filthy rich from
57:20
the thing? Bro like they're next level
57:22
rich. Because he owned all the catalog
57:24
I heard. Yeah, Father, you can just talk
57:27
about it for SO. Long, you know that's the
57:28
problem, but yeah. I heard it was $200 million in
57:31
debt because he pulled out of his concerts because of all the
57:34
allegations and so he was in a massive debt and they ended up
57:38
selling the catalog for like 250 mil.
57:40
Something like that. But that's why he came out and
57:42
he did the 5th. So This is why.
57:44
Oh bro, we can talk about this for ages.
57:46
That's ridiculous. But Long story short, that's why
57:50
he was going to do his last tour.
57:53
This is it, yes, and he needed the money.
57:57
Uncle needed the money. Uncle needs the money, bro.
58:01
So what? That's the other thing.
58:02
What artist can sell out 50 concerts, boom like that?
58:05
No artist can do it, bro. And by the way, at the same
58:08
venue, oh, at the same venue, at the one venue, bro, he was going
58:12
to do back-to-back to back-to-back concerts.
58:14
Bro and then he. Died.
58:16
He died a week out before the 1st concert.
58:19
Yeah right, they said. Tell me bro.
58:21
It sounds, it sounds. The more I listen to it, it
58:23
sounds like someone assassinated bro.
58:25
Someone's yeah, they straight up bro.
58:27
It does straight up. It's because he had heaps of
58:29
catalog. They thought he had too much
58:30
power, eh? Yeah.
58:32
Yeah, you are. Right bro, it's.
58:34
Heading down their track. Oh bro, we could honestly talk
58:35
about this forever but who knows.
58:37
So last one were his kids as kids.
58:40
Yeah, they were his kids. But aren't they white?
58:43
Paris. Yeah, but his wife was white,
58:46
so. But they're fully white.
58:49
Yeah, his wife was full. What?
58:50
Gee, the African gene is pretty strong.
58:54
You don't just turn white. Yeah, well, maybe they had that
58:57
skin. Disease come get go.
59:02
Yeah, that's us anyway. Supposedly, Supposedly, yeah,
59:07
but it's a filthy rich family, you know?
59:11
By the way, that's why I kind of said to you on the JB podcast
59:14
that he was in debt. Yeah, I know.
59:16
That's why when I heard it, I was like, oh, he was.
59:18
Yeah. So maybe JB was because JB had
59:20
to cancel his tour. No, he because he had that.
59:22
I think that's right. So he would have been.
59:24
The reason why it was because he he's lucky Michael, he is, he's
59:28
following Michael's trajectory. So it's just that's what I'm
59:30
saying don't say it bro. Don't say it, don't say it.
59:34
We're gonna get cancelled here. But JB had to cancel his
59:38
concert. So he he pre sold his concerts.
59:41
He made it a yeah bro. This is how twisted it really
59:44
man. Damn bro JB just suggest.
59:46
Just keep going. Keep going.
59:47
We're going to end. And then we've gotcha.
59:49
Yeah, but did you know JB's manager met Scooter?
59:55
Scooter Braun was also Taylor Swift's manager.
1:00:00
So. Well, we're not manager.
1:00:02
He brought Taylor Swift's catalog.
1:00:05
Not catalog, but like the company that the catalog was
1:00:08
attached to. And so I did some digging and
1:00:11
found out, so this is for someone that doesn't even like
1:00:13
Taylor Swift because my misso loves her, right?
1:00:15
So I did a little bit of digging and found out that This is why
1:00:18
she created her own vision. So she remade all the same
1:00:21
songs, right? Like I was saying to you, so she
1:00:24
was, she remade all her same music from all her originals so
1:00:28
that she could publish it again because there was no there was
1:00:32
no clause saying she couldn't do it.
1:00:34
So she did it. And now all her die hard fans go
1:00:37
listen to her one and not the catalog version.
1:00:40
And what ended up happening, bro, was that Scooter Braun and
1:00:43
that company ended up giving it all back to her because they
1:00:46
knew they were not getting money from it.
1:00:47
So she low key outplayed the system.
1:00:50
That's buzzy. Buzzy, eh?
1:00:53
Yeah. So she went out and did that.
1:00:54
But I just did all this thing and I was like, bro.
1:00:56
So Scooter Braun, who was JB's manager, was a rat and basically
1:01:02
done him dirty. He done him dirty, yeah.
1:01:04
And then obviously when it did Taylor Swift's company thing in
1:01:06
Bobby, she was like, Nah, stuff this yeah, bro, I'm out bro.
1:01:09
And so she went and did her and said big if you and out of there
1:01:13
bro. So I was just like bro there are
1:01:15
ways you can hack the system. Like way around.
1:01:16
Today, So I'm thinking in my head, JB, bro, you want your
1:01:19
catalogues, bro, just redo your music again.
1:01:21
Yeah, and just release it as JB's version like Taylor Swift,
1:01:24
cause Taylor Swift did that. She goes, bro, that'd be fire if
1:01:26
he remade he's of his old songs. Yeah, that'd be.
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Fire. Yeah.
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So they're following the same trajectory, bro.
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I'm just, you know, they are pretty, pretty gangster, yeah,
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pretty gangster. So yeah, who knows anyway.
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Ohh Gee, this is another one I've been raiding.
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Hey, the human nature when? They played it.
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This is Ganji. Bro anyway, thanks for
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Yeah, we'll see how they go. Part 2 on ways.
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Yeah, it is peace. Sure.
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This is a gun. Now, have have you noticed that
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sometimes you can't even actually understand what he's
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saying when he sings? He's like, what are you saying?
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It sounds good. Though it sounds good.
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Yeah, I know.