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China, Iran & Trump: The Real Agenda | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Blue, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome again to Syrian Analysis.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hoskare Calmacion. Thank you very much for tuning in
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  Speaker 1: to today's stream. This is a recorded stream with our
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  Speaker 1: different Carl who just joined us. Due to the time
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  Speaker 1: difference between us, we are in completely different time zones.
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  Speaker 1: We're recording this and now it is being broadcast live
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  Speaker 1: on Syrian Analysis YouTube and Rumble channels. This is an
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  Speaker 1: incredible timing in my opinion, the Arak, the Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 1: of Iran, traveled to China and he has met with
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  Speaker 1: his Chinese counterpart at the very sensitive time. I say
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  Speaker 1: sensitive time because Trump looks like he is going to
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  Speaker 1: China next week, and I think many people are speculating
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  Speaker 1: what is going to be the discussion and the conversation
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  Speaker 1: between the leaderships there. Carl, let's start with the biggest question,
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  Speaker 1: which is also the title of today's show. Many people
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  Speaker 1: are wondering if the Iran War is really about Iran
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  Speaker 1: or is Iran better understood as one front in Washington's
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  Speaker 1: wider struggle against China.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is much talk about topic recently. I it's
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  Speaker 2: my opinion that this was the whole motivation for Iran
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  Speaker 2: war is still driven by the Zionist interest because we
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  Speaker 2: know this because this was proposed by to Nata Yahuu
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six in a plant called the Clean Break.
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  Speaker 2: The idea is to remake Middle East, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: make the Greater Israel project possible basically, and this follows
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  Speaker 2: on to the seventh country in seven year plan that
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  Speaker 2: General Wesley Clark has referred to, and Iran was the
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  Speaker 2: seventh country on the list they took out. They went
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  Speaker 2: after every country on that list, Syria, uh Libya, Somalia, Iraq.
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  Speaker 2: You know, at the time the Clean Break was proposed,
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  Speaker 2: that was actually before the Iraq War. You know, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is that that was their plan to remake
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East. But Iran remains the largest obstacle for
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  Speaker 2: Israel to achieve its Greater Israel project, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: expand from the River Nile to River Euphrates, because Iran
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  Speaker 2: is a regional power and Israel alone cannot take on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: We already saw that as a result of Twelve Days War.
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  Speaker 2: This is why Israel is desperate to drag in United
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  Speaker 2: States into a war against Iran. Now keep in mind,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we had we had. Now we have like
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  Speaker 2: the former National Security advisor I think it was Jake Sullivan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he basically said, yeah, yeah, Israel pressure UH to to
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  Speaker 2: get into work with Uramba. Back then we said no.
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  Speaker 2: So the question now is why now? Why Why Trump?
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  Speaker 2: Why Trump? I I I still is of the opinion that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Trump just happened to be gullible enough, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe they even have some compromising material on him. Who
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  Speaker 2: knows what's in the rest of the Epstein files and
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  Speaker 2: and and you know, Trump is the type of person
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  Speaker 2: who go by instinct. You know, this is not a
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  Speaker 2: This is not a guy who you know, go after
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  Speaker 2: deep analysis and then say okay. You know, he goes
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  Speaker 2: by instinct. And he surrounded himself with a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: uh and he actually he already blamed he himself already
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  Speaker 2: blamed his son in law, Jerry Krishner, right, he said
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  Speaker 2: Jered Krishner said, it will be easy. And we know,
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  Speaker 2: we know who's interest Jerry Krishner really represents. This is
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  Speaker 2: a man who has no official position in the US government,
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  Speaker 2: yet somehow he's negotiating on behalf of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And Jerry Kushner also happened to be the guy behind
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  Speaker 2: the apron accurts, you know, the ideas to get all
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  Speaker 2: the Muslim majority country to recognize Israel, to normalize ties
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  Speaker 2: with Israel, which I think, you know, it's one of
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  Speaker 2: the reasons the October seventh happened because prior to October seventh,
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  Speaker 2: the expansion of apron ac courts was well on the way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Saudi Arabia was on track to recognize Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and then following that it will be you know, Indonesia,
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  Speaker 2: other Muslim country, and then you will just basically snuff
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  Speaker 2: out the aspiration of Palestinian self determination forever. And so
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  Speaker 2: Israel need to have this happen, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: that ultimately. I mean, yes, are Neo Kong Washington think
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  Speaker 2: tanks like Hutson Institute in particular, had been pumping out
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  Speaker 2: policy papers after another saying oh, now this is actually
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  Speaker 2: Trump's five D chess to joke off China's energy supply.
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  Speaker 2: But now a month we're a month into the war.
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  Speaker 2: China has world's largest the world's largest oil reserve. Chinese
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  Speaker 2: oil reserve is bigger than US, Japan, Europe combined. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: it sits somewhere between one point four to one point
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  Speaker 2: five billion barrels of oil. And China hasn't drunk down
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  Speaker 2: their inventorying a month because oil keep on coming in.
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  Speaker 2: I mean even even Venezuela, and oil is still going
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  Speaker 2: to China right now. China is still getting oil from Uran,
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  Speaker 2: from Russia. So China is actually least impacted of all
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  Speaker 2: the countries. You know, the idea of choking off China's
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  Speaker 2: energy supply is that China source majority of its oil
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  Speaker 2: import you know, about fifty half of it's of oil
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  Speaker 2: imports from the Persian Gulf region. Whereas you know, the
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  Speaker 2: United States is a net petroleum export country, right, so
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  Speaker 2: so US will be well protected, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: But it turns out that that was not the case
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  Speaker 2: because US is a net petroleum exporter, but US is
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  Speaker 2: actually a net oil importer. United States imports about six
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  Speaker 2: million barrels of oil per day. What United States does
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  Speaker 2: export is gas. US have a lot of natural gas.
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  Speaker 2: This is the result of the Shelle the fracking revolution.
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  Speaker 2: US unlock a lot of the shell gas deposit and
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  Speaker 2: they also produce what's called the liquid petroleum liquids. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not oil, That is not oil, and and again,
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  Speaker 2: the United States is actually more oil intensive economy than Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: my son is here. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Babba is working. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: can you give Babba some time and I'll be I'll
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  Speaker 2: be right with you.
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  Speaker 1: We will give, of course, Carl time with his family
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  Speaker 1: and especially with his children. When this reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: this BBC interview when an expert on Coorea was giving
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  Speaker 1: an interview too, I think it was on BBC and
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  Speaker 1: his child breaks into theom where he was giving the interview,
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  Speaker 1: and then the wife comes behind him. I just lucked
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  Speaker 1: you out, so I give you some privacy as well.
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  Speaker 1: I just reminded me of this BBC interview when the
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  Speaker 1: child breaks.
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  Speaker 2: The room. Yeah, it's fine, you know my kids, he's
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  Speaker 2: looking for me. I locked the door, so so we're good.
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  Speaker 2: Now where was I was talking about? The United States? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: US have abundant of natural gas, but it does need
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  Speaker 2: to import a lot of oil. It's a net oil importer.
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  Speaker 2: And and you it turns out US is more dependent
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  Speaker 2: on oil than China. US is forty percent more oil
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  Speaker 2: dependent than China, which is impressive because China is the
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  Speaker 2: world's factory. China makes everything. Yet because China did a
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  Speaker 2: big push for sustainable energy, the solar, wind, hydrol and nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're about eighty six percent energy self sufficient. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the produced eighty six percent of their prime h You
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  Speaker 2: know of the energy China uses out of the other
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  Speaker 2: fourteen percent China imports. And out of that fourteen percent,
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  Speaker 2: about half is oil and Uranian oil. We know the
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  Speaker 2: percentage of Uranian oil and Venezuela and oil to China.
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  Speaker 2: What people all often say, oh, China imports ninety person
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  Speaker 2: of Uranian oil and China imports ninety percent Venezuelan oil. True,
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  Speaker 2: but you actually make a small percentage of the total
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  Speaker 2: oil China imports. You know, China is consuming a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the Uranian production and Venezuelan production, but China use
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  Speaker 2: of so much oil, you actually make a small percentage
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  Speaker 2: of the overall China energy picture. So we know we
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  Speaker 2: know the approximate figure because because Uran and Venizveezuela has
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  Speaker 2: been under sanctioned, so a lot of the oil have
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  Speaker 2: to be shuffled around in this arc fleet operations, or
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  Speaker 2: what happened is Uranian oil and Venezuelan oil will get
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  Speaker 2: loaded on the either Uranian tankers or or or or
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  Speaker 2: tankers in the so called shadow fleet. That these these
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  Speaker 2: tankers don't have registration or they have expired registration. They're
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  Speaker 2: not flag flagships, and they will take those Uranian crude
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  Speaker 2: of Venezuelan crude. They'll path through the will travel to
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  Speaker 2: South China Sea. There the oil will be offloaded to
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  Speaker 2: another ship, another tanker, and then they will sell to
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  Speaker 2: China and be labeled as Malaysian oil. And for Malaysian oil,
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  Speaker 2: we do have the import figures from China. So according
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  Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty four pie chart China, the top
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  Speaker 2: three origin country for China imports oil is Top one
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  Speaker 2: is Russia, number two is Saudi Arabia, Number three is Malaysia. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Malaysia is an oil producer, but it does not produce
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  Speaker 2: nearly that amount of oil, and much of that Malaysian
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  Speaker 2: imports is actually rebranded Iranian and Venezuelan oil. So we
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  Speaker 2: know the exact figure is. In twenty twenty four, the
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  Speaker 2: import from Malaysia make about thirteen percent of the total
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  Speaker 2: oil imports of China, and in twenty twenty five, last
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  Speaker 2: year that figure fell someone it's about eleven percent of
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  Speaker 2: China's total oil imports. So that those are the oil
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  Speaker 2: that will be kind of impacted, you know, coming from
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  Speaker 2: Uran or Venezuela. Now, but what you know, it's right now,
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  Speaker 2: it's the other countries, particularly the US vassal states that's
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  Speaker 2: really hurting right I'm talking about Japan, Korea, hiow One, Philippines,
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  Speaker 2: and even India. All these countries are heavily dependent on
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  Speaker 2: energy coming from Persian Golf. Because they're cut off on
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  Speaker 2: Russian oil and gas, they they have no choice but
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  Speaker 2: to get the Persian golf oil. And now there's a
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  Speaker 2: blockade at the trader hor moves. So they're the one
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  Speaker 2: that's been really screwed, and so so the so the
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  Speaker 2: people then say, oh, well, but you you US don't
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  Speaker 2: care about this fast those stays you know, US don't
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  Speaker 2: care about them. It's true, that's true. But this shortage
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  Speaker 2: is affecting United States right now because oil and gas
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  Speaker 2: are globally traded commodities. So US big oil majors, they're
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  Speaker 2: making a lot of money right now. They're making a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money by exporting gas from the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And and because you know, they can generate higher profit
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  Speaker 2: with while the will the price is high. But what
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  Speaker 2: that does, What does that mean is the price also
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  Speaker 2: goes up for the US consumers. So what we do
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  Speaker 2: know is fertilizers, for example, fertilizers generated using natural gas,
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  Speaker 2: and right now the price has shot up so high.
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  Speaker 2: We have a report that seventy percent of American farmers
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  Speaker 2: now complain that can no longer afford fertilizers because of
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  Speaker 2: the price increase, and the farm bankruptcy has increased forty
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  Speaker 2: five percent in US since the war started. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so US Americans are suffering. They are living with high
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  Speaker 2: high gas prices and high diesel prices. So whereas China
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  Speaker 2: initially when the war first happened, China actually stop export
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  Speaker 2: of gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and fertilizers. Because people probably
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  Speaker 2: don't realize China is actually big exporter of this refined
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  Speaker 2: petroleum product, even though China imports a lot of crude oil.
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  Speaker 2: But because China has a lot of refining capacity, China
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  Speaker 2: is one of the biggest exporter of gasoline, diesel, jet
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  Speaker 2: field fertilizer to the rest of the world, but particularly
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  Speaker 2: to the to the Asian region, to East Asia, so Australia,
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  Speaker 2: for example, they depend on thirty two percent of their
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  Speaker 2: jet field coming from China. Yes, But when the when
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  Speaker 2: the war first started, China says, okay, sorry, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: stop export. We're gonna have to make sure we take
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  Speaker 2: care of our domestic producers first, and that's an a
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  Speaker 2: an energy shock, supply shock throughout the region. But now
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  Speaker 2: China just says, okay, we're gonna reopen export of gasoline,
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  Speaker 2: diesel and jet field. That's not a country that's worry
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  Speaker 2: about running out of oil. I mean, if they're exporting gasoline,
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  Speaker 2: diesel and jet field, that means China is not worried
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  Speaker 2: about choked off of its oil supply. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I still need to find out what what's with the
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  Speaker 2: fertilizer situation, because that is a very very critical issue
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  Speaker 2: as well, because you know, urea and nitrogen, potassium, these
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  Speaker 2: are all like fertilizers that's created by using natural gas
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  Speaker 2: and they have there's a real shortage right now because
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  Speaker 2: Qatar was producing twenty percent of the world's natural gas
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  Speaker 2: supply and that has been completely cut off. So overall, yes,
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  Speaker 2: this this this whole blockade situation, it will affect the
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  Speaker 2: world economy. Adversely, China will be hurting. But China will
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  Speaker 2: be hurting the least among other countries because China has
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  Speaker 2: has took time to prepare for this. It took, uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, for the last four years. It took advantage
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  Speaker 2: of historically low oil prices to stockpile and now you know,
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  Speaker 2: now they can can count on those rainy day funds.
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  Speaker 2: So I so so, so go back to your question.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know, even if even if the what
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  Speaker 2: Neil Think tank said was true, that there was there
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  Speaker 2: was some grand strategy of trying to choke off China's
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  Speaker 2: energy supply, well that didn't pan out very well. Let
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  Speaker 2: let let's remember that according to Allen's Greenspanding his memoir,
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  Speaker 2: he said the whole Iraq War was about to control
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  Speaker 2: the flow of oil because even back in two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and oh three, they noticed that China was becoming increasingly
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  Speaker 2: dependent on the oil from the Persian Gulf. So they thought,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to go in go to Iraq, then we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to dictate where the oil goes. Well, how did
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  Speaker 2: that work out? I mean, Chinese company went right back
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  Speaker 2: to Iraq after the war was over, and now they're there,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're continually pumping out oil in Iraq. Well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not now. But but but there have been since since
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  Speaker 2: since you are war so you know I joke, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like the plotter, that's the plotter plan and plot and
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  Speaker 2: a lot is the best plan. Cal.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say this, and I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: sound cheesy, but you already answer three four questions I
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  Speaker 1: have written, and this is what's a very thoughtful and
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  Speaker 1: comprehensive response. And to be honest with you, people like
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  Speaker 1: you should be on major TV outlets basically informing and
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  Speaker 1: educating people. That's why, in my opinion, giving the guests
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  Speaker 1: the freedom to speak and follow up on his thoughts
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  Speaker 1: it's so important. That's why people come on alternative channels
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  Speaker 1: because an answer like this, You already answer seventeen minutes
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  Speaker 1: this question, and I find it brilliant. People would like
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  Speaker 1: to hear longer answers. They would like to understand. You
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  Speaker 1: have given statistics, You have explained in details different regions
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  Speaker 1: and different countries, and what China needs, what China imports,
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  Speaker 1: what China exports, the reserves China has, and also the
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  Speaker 1: situation in the Persian Cup. This was amazing, truthfully, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for that. Really, there is something that
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  Speaker 1: is I've seen on social media platforms recently, like there
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  Speaker 1: are two opposite criticisms of Beijing. Anti China pundits say
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  Speaker 1: China is quietly benefiting from the war in Iran by
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  Speaker 1: keeping even in all flowing, contrasting itself with the US
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  Speaker 1: and letting others bleed. Anti US pundits say China is
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  Speaker 1: doing far too little for Iran. Where do you think
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  Speaker 1: the truth lies in this case?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, like the first camp, the anti China camp,
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  Speaker 2: they you know, a lot of the time when they
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  Speaker 2: talk about China is one hundred percent projection. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've even seen like ridiculous article of saying China's weakness
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  Speaker 2: is what more United States into a war again, you rack, like,
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  Speaker 2: are you freaking kidding me? And so look, if China
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  Speaker 2: had its way, China would prefer there's no war, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because China just want to do business and the war
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  Speaker 2: is bad for business. China actually have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: investment in West Asia in places like you particularly UAE,
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  Speaker 2: and UAE is getting bombarded right now. So China would
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  Speaker 2: prefer there was no war, so it's investment is not
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  Speaker 2: in danger. But on the other hand, China also realize, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like he has to support you wrong because
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  Speaker 2: you know this is this is Washington's plan is always
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  Speaker 2: go after Russia, go after your Wran, and then China
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  Speaker 2: will be next. So just like China didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: see Russia fall, uh, you know in the proxy war
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  Speaker 2: with NATO over Ukraine, China do not want to see
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  Speaker 2: your wrong fail. You know this is this is why
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  Speaker 2: you know you despite the years of say China has
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  Speaker 2: been buying ninety percent of Uranian coude oil, providing the
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  Speaker 2: lifeline to the Iranian economy. But for people that say
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  Speaker 2: it's uh, you know, first of all, China will not
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  Speaker 2: be sending its military to the Persian golf. Let me
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  Speaker 2: just make that clear. This is not just from intention
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  Speaker 2: point of view, just from capability. Chinese military is not
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  Speaker 2: structured to be an imperial military like United States that
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  Speaker 2: can do oversee projection like it's a Chinese military is
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  Speaker 2: not an expeditionary force that will project power into the
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  Speaker 2: Indian Ocean into Persian golf, because that's not what's the
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  Speaker 2: design for the Chinese military is designed to secure China's neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: the immediate surrounding, so the area that China, you know,
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  Speaker 2: China want to contest with the US is the control
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  Speaker 2: of East China Sea, South China Sea and in within
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese uh, the Chinese neighborhood. And that's what Chinese
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  Speaker 2: military is built for uh, you know, for a a
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  Speaker 2: uh you know, whereas United States. The reason US have
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  Speaker 2: basis all over the world, for example, because the US
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  Speaker 2: Navy they need refue, constant refeel and restocking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not only ammunition but also food for its sailors. So
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  Speaker 2: this is why they need to have port calls. This
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  Speaker 2: is why they have They have bases all over West Asia,
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  Speaker 2: all over Africa, and and and China only have one
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  Speaker 2: logistics station and that's in Djibouti. This that's not enough
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  Speaker 2: to support the kind of you know, like like the fight.
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  Speaker 2: It's not going to be support a fight with the
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  Speaker 2: US Navy in the Indian Ocean, you know, like example,
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  Speaker 2: I use is uh Russo Japanese War nineteen oh four,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen oh five. At that time, that's hard decided to
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  Speaker 2: send the Baltic Fleet from the Baltic Sea all the
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  Speaker 2: way around the world, around Africa into Indian Oceans through
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  Speaker 2: South China Sea to fight Japan. And one of the
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  Speaker 2: problems they suffered was all Russia didn't have colonies in
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  Speaker 2: the in Africa. So when their Baltic fleet needs resupply,
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  Speaker 2: because back then their steamships need refual they need cold,
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  Speaker 2: they need colding stations. They have all along the way,
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  Speaker 2: they've been rejected by in the British. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: British made sure to play their cards to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that that Russian had extreme difficulty to resupply their ships.
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  Speaker 2: So by the time they the Baltic Fleet arrived in
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  Speaker 2: East China Sea and about to sail through straight or Tsushima,
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  Speaker 2: they were already demoralized. They have been uh the their
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: supply was dangerously low and and you know it was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: in no shape at the time to fight the Japanese
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: combined fleet, and and that led to their destruction actually
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in the Battle of Tsushima. This is why, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: some it's not realistic to expect the Chinese navy to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: sail into the Indian Ocean or to take the fight
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to to the to the to the American It's it's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: just not beyond their capability. Now, in the art of wars,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: instans that you never let your opponent to pick the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: timing and the place of the battle. You know, you
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: make sure you you choose the time and the place,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and you do it to your own advantage. And that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: what China does. China plays to its strength. China strength
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is not projecting military power, but China strength is economic
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and and this is this is where you uh when when,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: for example, when Trump start to leveraging the tariff war,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: China immediately pushed back by cutting off the rare earth
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: export to US. And that hurt particularly hurts the US
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex because there's a lot of rare earth
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that goes into S thirty five Patriot mytholes and pretty
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: much you know anything that that that US need to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: fight a war. And this is why they have a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: serious problem with the drawing down of their of their
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: ammunition right now, because they know they will not be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: able to replenish them anytime soon because of the China's
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: export control on earth. And this is why when more recently,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the US Trenery have slapped sanctions against five Chinese independent
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: oil refinery for for trading for taking in Iranian oil,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: China immediately pushed back, like China ordered all the companies,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: all the Chinese companies and all the companies that do
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: business in China, like, do not comply with US sessions.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You don't do that, like we just yes, this is
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the first time, so you know, China had played ball
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: up to this point. You know, this is actually you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: people maybe they don't realize the nature of U s
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: sanction because they leverage the dollar hedge emony. When US
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: play sanction. What they say essentially is okay, any company
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that do that have any type of business in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: United States, or you have any like you have any
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: business that dealing US dollars, then then you are our target.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: If you if you do business with our targeted companies,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: then you yourself will be are That's that's the US
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: secondary sanction. And and this is why, uh you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the idea is that even those Chinese refiners doing business
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: in China, China will be will be sanctioned, will be
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: cut off from even their Chinese suppliers because those Chinese
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: suppliers might be afraid of losing their market access into
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: United States or Europe or or or because they have
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: oversea projects. Uh but but but but now this time
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Chinese government put their foot downs like no, no, no,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna You're not gonna do that. You're not
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You're you're not gonna comply with US laws. US laws
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: do not have extra territory reality in China, you comply
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with Chinese laws and Chinese losses. You've got to do
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: business with a Huntley Group as you have done before
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: before the U S sanctions. So this is how China
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: would fight. Will China China fight because you know, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: China actually has upper hand in economic warfare with the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: United States by being the world worlds world's largest producer
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: in the contrary to what Scott Besson says. Scott Besson
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: during the ter war, he says, we're the consumer, they're
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the producer. We have the power because they need us
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to buy their goods, which is completely bogus because you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: China register one point five trillion dollars of trade surplus
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and while it's trade with direct trade, which United States
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: had been going down. So it turns out China does
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: not need the US consumer as much and so people
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: but the world still needs Chinese goods and so so
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: this is this is uh, this is this is how
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: China would would you know, this is the area where
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: China would stand up to the United States, you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: economically because that's where China is strong. Fight fight the battle,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to your play, to your own strip.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So guys, guys, if you're watching this live today, I
• 27:48
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• 27:52
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• 27:54
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• 27:58
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• 28:00
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• 28:03
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• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that I need an expert like himself to come to
• 28:10
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• 28:12
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• 28:15
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• 28:19
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• 28:26
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• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I'd just like to add h to just add what
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I said before, and that's the only, not the only
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: roles that China play. China also supplies materials to you
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: RAN that enabled you round to make missiles. You know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: This has been reported in Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, FT,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: et cetera. China has been supplying you round with a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: chemical precursors that needed to make more missiles. This is
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: in Couch asked to China's export control on rare earth
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to United States, which you know, the US will not
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: be able to replenish their own ammunitions by your wrong
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: will because China will continue to supply your wrong with
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: those raw materials. And now there's there's more reports says
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: try to. Wall Street Journal just had another report that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: says China is also supplying your wrong with uh with
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the drone components that's to make those uhh yeah, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and so so. Like the the Wall Street Journal title was, actually,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: China has been increasingly brazen to supply your wrong and
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Russia with jone parts. Like what I just reply, I said,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: about it? You know, like like you're gonna are you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: gonna do another tear of war on China? You know
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you want you want more humiliation upon humiliation. That so
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: these are the areas where China would late to support
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: your own. It's because these play to China's own strength.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Let me show you just A recent article today was
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: published on the Financial Times although this is not the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: topic of today's conversation. But check how they describe this.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Toyota switches to onto electric vehicles to counter Chinese threat.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't seriously understand how do they come up with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: these terminologies Toyota switches onto electric vehicles to counter Chinese threat.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Com Please correct me if I'm ane, Carl, isn't Toyota
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: also producing cars inside China? Now?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean to counter Chinese threat. I mean
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: all the world's major automakers they have a Chinese presence
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: because you know, if they if they cannot compete inside China,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: they will not be compete out. They will not be
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: able to compete anywhere else because Chinese all the market
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: is the most competitive market in the whole world right now,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: with a lot of brands, a lot of producers competing
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: for a share of the world's largest auto market. You know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: by the way, China, Chinese auto market is twice the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: size of US auto market. You know, it's like it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: like thirty five million vehicles are being are being sold
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: in China. It's so so like they and and and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and also Toyota had a choice, they could they had
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they had a choice to make electric car, Like any time,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you know, like they decided, you know, they want to
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you know, try the hydrogen car. They want to stick
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: with hybrid. It was it was their choice. Uh, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: now they're falling behind. This is you know, this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: again you know, like China threats sell stories. You know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: earlier you said, you know why I should be on
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: more mainstream channels, but they will never have me because
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: what the mainstream channel want to do is to sell
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: people what they like to hear, and what people right now,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: as the West start to decline and China continue to rise,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: what people need to hear is copy here. They want
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to hear that China is in trouble. China is collapsing
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: in thirty days, you know, the incoming collapse of China. Anytime,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you know, you think the United States is bad, China
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: have the worst. And those are the type of videos
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and gain a lot of views on YouTube. Like so
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that's that's just the way it is.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Also, my favorite car company, Evolvo, is manufacturing cars in
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: China nowadays. So everybody's if this was a lost case,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: if this was a bad investment, like very reputable companies
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't really invest in China in my opinion, so you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: have to see these signals and not what the YouTuber.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Just go deep inside who is this person and investigate
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: his connections and his links. He will notice that most
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of them are paid.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And you know Vobo is Chinese now right, They're owned
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: by the Jilli group the go bought out, so you know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in this case, Carl, how should we think about
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the limits of Chinese support for Evan? Because on one hand,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: there are claims of indirect help. For example, you mentioned
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the materials the Chinese are sending to Ivan, which could
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: be used in manufacturing, for example, missiles and drones. There
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: also claims that China is sharing intelligence and will use support. Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, China has clearly stopped far short
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of treating events for as its own, whereas Beijan's real
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: redline you said, the fall of Iran. Let's suppose there
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: has been an existential threat against Ivan. What would China
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: do in this What would be the reaction of China?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So right now, I first of all, I don't
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: think you're wrong. Is at a point right now you
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Rung is an existential fight for its survival, But I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: don't think you're wrong. Is you know, on the falling
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and then uh, well, I can tell you what Chinese
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: redline is. If if the US UH just announced that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: there was uh, you know they support Taiwan independence, Well,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: tomorrow the will be war. Tomorrow the all the US
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: basis in East Asia will be let up. But that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: that's that's a different UH. China has does have its
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: own priorities, and this is the China's priority has always
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: been Taiwan, is Asia, Asia Pacific, the basically the region
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: around China's neighborhood. What China do China, as I mentioned before,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: just like China do not want to see Russia fail,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: China do not want Iran fail. This is why, this
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: is why this is an intense diplomatic effort right now.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, the Iranian foreign minister is in Beijing,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and this is just before Trump's schedule visit, and right
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: after Trump's visit, Putin will be inde Ping. So so
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of diplomatic activity right now. I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: there's there is a certain degree of coordination among the wrong,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Beijing and Moscow on this on this issue. I mean,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: like because they they all realize they're in it together.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You know, they're all on Washington's target list. Uh, the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: question is how to okay, Having said that, China also
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: have to balance its relationship with the GCC countries because
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: China is playing playing a balancing act. That is definitely
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: show it stancings out there with Iran, but uh, not
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to the point that it's you know, flashing the middle
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: finger to the GCC countries, because you know, the China
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: do have tried to keep that optional open. Uh. This
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: this was the reason China was able to broker the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Solidi yourn piece deal in the first place, because China
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: did maintain a good relationship with with both sides. So
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: so there there is that, there is that factor in there.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: But but overall, you know, like I think people have
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: to remember all these countries is this we're not in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a quite replay of the code Ward one dot situation.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Now co one dot you're either in the Soviet camp
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: or in the in the US camp. Right. The whole
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: idea of multipolarity is there are many polls, there are
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: many independent countries making independent uh uh decisions that benefit
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: their their own national interests. Like the way it should
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: be that that is multipolarity. It's not about multiplarity. Is
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: not a necessarily like a like an anti Western alliance
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: against US and Europe. But but to that end, I think,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: what what right now we're seeing uh not of cracks
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: are opening up in the US imperial system. Trump is
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of work just by himself, but also uh,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you know, Iraan is definitely given a big push. All
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the U s bases in the in the West Asia
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: right now, they're the patters and and all the Also
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the rationale for the US imperial system in West Asia,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the whole rationale was in they're supposed to provide protection,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you know, in exchange for hosting US bases plowing a
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: lot of money into the US financial market. Those GCC
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: country are supposed to be protected under US umbrella. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it turns out well, US bases are not only does
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not offer production protection, it turns out to be a liability.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And all the other US ally countries are now taking notes.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: You know, all the US ally countries seen what in
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: East Asia for example, Japan, Korea, Philippines, They they see
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: what's happening. They can they can put the two and
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: two together, you know, like if if a war were
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to happen between US and China over Taiwan. It's their
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: country that would be hit by the Chinese missile broaches,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: and China has magnitude more missiles and more advanced missiles.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And then you're wrong. You know, if the United States
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: is unable to protect it's it's vasco states in West Asia,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you know, there's no there's no way in hell they
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: can protect their bases in East Asia. And I think
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: that actually makes the war scenario in yeast Asia less
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: likely now that we actually know how much a big,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: how big a paper tiger US military really is.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Well, unless Donald Trump or any of his let's say
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: successors would follow sensus on a strategy, for example, blockading
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the blockade or going into some another adventurism in Far
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: East Asia, because why not, we could try it again.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And this is something that is karly is missing in
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the discussion is the lack of rationality in the American
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: decision making. I'm seeing lots of theories and they assume
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that they are hard let's say, factual thinkers and philosophers
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and theorists in the American administration thinking playing for d
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: chess and thinking fifty years ahead, well, I mean thirty
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: forty years ago. I would have assumed that at least
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: they are rational people in the US administration, even though
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: we disagreed with the foreign policy, but there were some
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: hard calculations, and nowadays I don't see that hard calculations
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Iran. Therefore, I still I say
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it's less likely, but it's not impossible to see such
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: an adventurism in the future. Unfortunately, under such administration, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: probably in the future with something more crazier would come
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: in the US because every year we can see the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: decay in the intellectual also discussion in the US among
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: American politicians, officials, presidents to the extent that we have
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: sorry to say, but this is a clown in as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: a president. You cannot really take him seriously. The way
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: he speaks, the uncoherent sentences that he just drops in
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: like it shows what is going on in his brain,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Like you can't really come and speak like Donald Trump
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and then convince me that he's playing for DJs. He's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: not playing before DJs because in his brain he can't
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: even understand what is a for DJs in this case.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But cal from a cold strategic point of view, does
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: be Jan in some ways benefit from a prolonged on
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: crisis that weakens as legitimacy, drains American resources, and cast
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: China as the more reasonable power, even if China would
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: prefer not to say that publicly.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Now now, so this again is sort of applying the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: American zero sound mentality to China. You know, this assumes
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: China's top priority is to to defeat United States, to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to you know, to to to grab that top edge
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: among status. But China doesn't care about that. China just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: want to make China a better place. China want to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: make China stronger, of course, but China has it was
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it has always been United States that's trying to trying
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to shape this narrative. There's a there's a US China
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: competition for the top spot. China is trying to trying
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to grow bigger and stronger by itself. Like for them,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Chijiping has always said the earth is big enough for
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: both United States and China. China does not see the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: world in a zero sum game. In fact, as I
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: mentioned before, the last thing China wants is more instability.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Because China want stability so we can expand its business.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: That's what he wants to do. You know what you
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: said about you know, the US decline and shows China
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: as a more responsible power. These are actually byproduct of
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the US policies. This this is nothing that China did actively.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: This is this is a result of US own self
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: inflicted foreign policy goals. Uh, you know, like like US's
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: own goal in its foreign it's a disastrous foreign policy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: And you know you did say, and I agree with you,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: there's a sort of intellectual decline in US. And I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: don't think it's limited to the Trump administration because Biden
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't any better. I think there's a secular decline of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: competence at the American elite level. And and you know,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: this is a it's like I agree that they're not
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: these these these guys are not the same caliber as
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the people who used to run United States, say like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: forty fifty years ago. And and I the trend will continue.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't see that trend being reversed anytime soon.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: This is an institutional rock inside the US system. But
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: does that mean that you maybe will US be even
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: more crazy lashing out? Possibly? But for China's part, Uh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you know, China just play largely play defense because China
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: is not again, China was never China's objective to destroy
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: United States. If anything, China do not want us to collapse,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: because why would you want to kill off your customer.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: US was one of the China's largest export market, and
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: even today after the whole tra war business, US is
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: still number three of China's third largest business partner, behind
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a Young and Europe. So so yeah, China actually do
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: not want to see chaos in the United States. But
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: this is a this this is incomprehensible to the American mind,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: because to the American mind is like for me to succeed,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: everybody else must fail. It's always a zero sum competition
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: to the Washington elite. But that's not how China stinks.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: China's like China just look at the perspectives like, Okay,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: how how can how can how can we make a
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: China better place? How can we make China stronger? But
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: not necessarily you know, by like the Townia hardened way
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of competition by recapping your competition. Yeah, you know. It's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: like like if you look at the recent American misadventures,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: none of them that none of them could be blame
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: on the Chinese initiative. It was completely product of the
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Washington's own you know, like their their their, Yeah, Carl.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Last question and this is I know it's sensitive, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I truly don't want to offend any American because most
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of the viewers of Sybian Analysis are from the United States. Actually,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but don't you think that there is also probably a
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: decay in how ordinary citizens in the United States think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: about politics in their own country. But how would you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: accept somebody like Biden and Trump to be a president. Meanwhile,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you have leaders like Chi and Pucci, and even in
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the Arabic world you can see more competent diplomats and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the heads of states, for example, capable of forming truly
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: solid arguments to defend their own interest. But when it
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: comes to the US, you feel like it has become
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a circus. And then people defend Donald Trump, people defend
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, people defend Kamala Harris like there's some sort
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: of geniuses. But we are outside of the United States,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: we can see that this is a circus, This is
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: not no longer politics. Do you also see that this
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: represents what the American people or the American people believe in.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the Iranian top leadership, right,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: they're all like PhDs, like philosophy, and US is rule
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: by a bunch of bad TV personalities. You have the
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the reality TV show hosts, and you have
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: y Jedge, said the Secretary of War, whose previous job
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was a live show host for Fox Right. America were
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: literally ruled by that TV personality. The about the American public,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I think that was intentional. There was the intention it
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: was there was intentionally the usc E lead had over
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the years intentionally tried to domb down the public, you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: US public, American public art. I lived in the United
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: States for thirty years. You know, I actually most Americans
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: are actually decent people. They're they're they're they're very nice,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: very courteous. But what happened is the US government, the
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: USC lead have been you know, intentionally breaking the education system,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you know, dumbing down the education. This this is the whole.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I think this is intentional because it's their plan to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: make people more easily manipulated. You know, American public is
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the world's most brainwash, most propagandized population in the world. Uh.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: You know, the United States may have failed in many
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: other things right now, but they're still very good at
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: propaganda because you know, propaganda marketing. There there's a thin
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: red light between propaganda marketing and US is really good
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: at marketing, you know, Madison Street, they invented all that
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: ship and and they are very good, still very good
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: at propagandaie its own population. So and that to to
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: allow the you need to remain to retain power, even
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: a very rapacious elite like the likes of Donald Trump,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you know, or or or Nancy Pelosi, you know, like
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the Democrats and Republicans, they're the same, they are. They're
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the ones who you know, laughing to the banks while
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: while the public squabble about, like, you know, some divisive
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: social issues. So those there's a reason why they tend
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: to focus on those devices social issues in the United
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: States because then politicians don't have to do anything. All
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: they have to do is take a stance I'm pro
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I'm pro LGBT, or i am I'm pro live right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Then then you don't have to do it, actually do
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: anything bye bye. By just taking a stance on socially
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: deviced issue, you are guaranteed fifty percent of the vote.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: You actually don't have to do the work of building
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: up the country. Uh. And that has been the case
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: in US for for decades.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's why you think so horizontally in the United States,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the politicians, because that's what divides the society. Meanwhile, the
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: truth is always vertical. It's the people against the elite.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: But they that's why they distract the people with this
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: cultural wars in the United States. Keep them distracted, that's it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: And and you had you hear those so Kong Valley
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: tech bro oligarchs, you know, like people like Mark and Dreson,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: he publicly said on his podcast. He said, oligarchy is
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: an actual state of things. For most of the human history,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it's ruled by oligarchy. It's it's just a democracy, like
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: that's just a it's just a phase. And and right
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: now they have you know, you know, you have Peter
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: jd Vance is literally you know, Peter Theo's puppet. You
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: know in Washington. They there's a there's a capture, institutional
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: capture at the very top in US by now by
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the financial elite and the Silicon Valley tech tech tech
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: bro elite. And these these are the ones who who
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: who like you know, pulling on the puppet streams. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you know, if you look at if you know, read
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: what Peter Theo and like all these so called dark
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: what dark enlightened guys said, You know what they really
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: want is tech fewder they want they want these tech Yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: they want these tech oliguards set on the top. They're
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: going to replace everybody who is AI and robots and
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: they will literally they'll create a matrix with them as
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a pupplic masters that that has been their goal. They
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: don't even try to hide it. But uh, this is
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: why they need to throw out more like slap uh
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: like to to fool the public, to distract the public
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: from the real issue, from their real enemies. This is
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: why they always need to seek out external enemy, whether
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it's a Russia, Uran or China, but the real enemies
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. This is a great way of ending our conversation,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: which you call this was a brilliant conversation. Actually, thank
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: you so much for coming to the show and also
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: dedicating your valuable time to educate us on what is
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: going on and also for the people to understand the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: truths behind the relationship between China and Iran and Chinese
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: perspective when it comes to the global affairs and multiplivity.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I think this was a brilliant conversation Thank you so
• 52:09
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