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112. [Texas] Yleen and Lillie Kennedy · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless This Message Crump podcast. I don't care
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who was do say, hey Stuey. All right, so we're back this
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week. We are going to Texas for a case in Texas. We're in
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tech where we are in Texas, and we're also going to Texas for a
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case. Yeah, so two weeks in a row we're doing it. This
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one's a little bit late because we had I signed I'm not gonna say weeks.
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Do will say he had nothing to do with this. I decided the
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day I was scheduled to be induced, I'm like, that was the last
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day to sign up for tea Ball. So I went and signed our daughter
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up for tea ball or three year old. She just turned three, so
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she's like at that age where she can start doing stuff. Anyway, so
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I signed her up and then they had they had like a practice and everything
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like that, so it caused us to not be able to record earlier.
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Way to go. Yeah, so anyway, so we went to that and
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then but yeah, well somebody will probably still blame me for this. Whatever's
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do. Anyways, there was I was telling us to earlier. There was
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a moment. So so whenever you sign up for the tea ball whatever.
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There was a group they started a group text message, and I'm like,
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oh my god. If I'd known there was a group text message, I
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certainly would not have signed up for this. However, so one of the
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group text message, everybody's like, the coach is like, hey, say
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your name and who your child is and everything like that. So I participate
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in that, you know, very simple. I just say my name and
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say this is such and such mom blah blah blah. And then they had
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the T shirts ready. Well, the coach already said that the T shirts
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were blue, like the our team colors were blue. That's the color we
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were assigned or whatever. So then the email came out that we could pick
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up the T shirts. So then another a mom like steps in. She's
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like, oh my goodness, the we just received an email that the T
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shirts are in. Does everybody want to just wait and we'll see what color
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we got and then we can all pick out matching shorts and socks. And
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it was at that moment that I was like, what the fuck have I
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got myself? Like, it's too far, you know, it's too far.
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I've got us into it because you're saying I gotta go to these things
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too. No, it's just like, these are three year olds playing t
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ball. I don't want to buy different of a special pair of shorts.
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I don't want to buy a special pair of socks. I'm not buying the
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cleats. I'm just it said they could just wear their tennis shoes. So
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she's just gonna wear her mini mouse light up tennis shoes because that's what she
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wants to wear. But anyways, I was telling Stuart, my brother,
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he's like a perpetual bachelor. It's just his you know, like whenever they
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say it's not you, it's me. If you ever date my brother and
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he does break up with you, it truly is and he's broken. He
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told me this was someone he was dating. Probably this is probably ten years
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ago or whatever. But I said, well, I said, I thought
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you liked her. Why did you break up with her? And he said
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he said, well, you know, she asked me what my favorite color
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was, and I felt like we were just getting too deep. And whenever
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that mom said let's all wait and get matching shorts and socks, I thought
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I knew exactly how he felt. At that moment, I was like,
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we need to end this relationship. You know, this is too much,
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it's too far? Is it too much? Because we're still involved. We
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are still involved. We did go to the practice our socially awkward child,
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did she she just freezes it. She doesn't she she's been around other children,
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she's been to daycare. She's it's not like she's hasn't interacted with other
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human beings like me, you know, miniature human beings like her. But
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she just something happens when another kid interacts with her, and her face and
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everything just goes. She doesn't cry, she doesn't hide. It's not like
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a shy thing. It's like a full on Sheldon Cooper situation where she just
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just turns robotic. And and the other little girl there was one of all
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the boys, all the the whole team was boys except for there was our
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daughter and one other little girl. And so the mom was, you know,
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having her daughter. She's like, go tell her your name and everything
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like that, and on our daughter names Anica. Anyways, she just like
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freezes up, just full on it. The little girl's like talking to her
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and stuff like that. And I got my socially awkward kid over there,
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just doesn't know what to do with her hands. Her mouth is like gaping
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open, staring. But anyway, she's just she doesn't she doesn't doesn't know
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how to interact with other humans. So but she's real social at home,
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Like at home, she's really good. She just doesn't when it's new kids,
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she just no, it's a different kind of reaction. Because there was
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another little boy there and he was upset, but he was crying like that.
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I feel like that's a normal reaction. I don't know what ours is
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doing. Ours is like there's a glitch in the matrix, and she she
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turns into like a robot. So anyway, she did loosen up a little
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bit, she didn't loosen up around the other kids. I mean she loosened
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up as and she she ran, and she hit the ball and did those
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types of things, but actual interaction with the other children was not on the
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list of things she decided she wanted to do today. So probably will not
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happen all season. Had no, it won't. She just apparently we learned
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after she was in daycare for a while. I didn't even know, but
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one of the teachers like, yeah, she never talks to any other kids.
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I'm like, oh my gosh, why are you just she they're not
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in daycare now. They actually stay home now. So but since we moved
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here because there is no daycare, but she yeah, they they did not
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tell me that, and then I felt awful because I'm like, I thought
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she was interacting and making friends. And I didn't think she was making friends
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because she is my child. But I thought she was at least interacting.
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But anyways, so that's why we're late on the episode because they scheduled.
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Oh wait, we'll stewart whatever. Okay, whatever, you have to listen
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to it. They have to listen to it or they can fast forward.
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up. Yes, you're slacking, Stuart. You don't do anything for this.
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You literally show up. That's it. And then you need a y'all
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need Jesus that you just found last minute whenever the time comes. So all
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right, so let's get into tonight's case out of Texas. So Wilean Fay
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Kennedy, and that's Wylean spelled exactly how it's pronounced as in why lean hy
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l ee in I just I'm just I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying
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you're the messenger. I'm just the messenger. So Wileing Fay Kennedy was born
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January twenty second, nineteen fifty one, in Texas to Jack and l Rose
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Kennedy. Now Wilean loved fashion and would go on to open her own fashion
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store that was successful in the Heights area of Houston, which we'll talk about
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the Heights or whatever, but the Heights I was confused because the heights that
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I know somebody that lives in the Heights that I work with, and I
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know that they her her husband like make like really good money. So I
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know the Heights is like a really nice neighborhood. I think it's got like
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old Victorian homes and things like that. But the Heights, I was reading
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back whenever this happened, I don't think it was the Heights of today.
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I think it's been you know, what's the word hijacked? Yeah, it's
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been gentrified. Is that the word now? Yeah? Gentrified? Yeah,
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the Heights are, and
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I know I'm telling you what the Heights are. The Heights today is a
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very expensive neighborhood. So you think this is the same heights as Yes,
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it's the same heights. I'm telling you it's the same heights, but I
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think it's been it's been updated. It's all bougie now and got a bunch
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of rich people. So so anyway, so she had this clothing store in
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the Heights, and she loved to go see live music and loved to do
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stained glass, and she was very much into arts, which of apparently back
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then I don't know about stay cause I haven't been to the Heights, but
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apparently back then that was like the all the artsy people. So they didn't
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have a lot of money, but they had their passions, you know,
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of arts. A little quirky. Yeah, it was a quirky neighborhood.
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So moving to the Heights neighborhood was the perfect choice for her because she could
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walk to all these bars where they were playing live music. She had her
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little shop there, she was doing all this stuff. Now, she was
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the older sister to Lily Dell and Lily was born on August twenty seventh,
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nineteen sixty, so she's about almost ten years older than her Now. Lily
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had gotten married and that marriage was ending badly, so she ended up getting
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divorced. In the process of finalizing her divorce, she actually moved in with
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her sister at her home in the Heights. On March fifth, nineteen eighty
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four, Jack Kennedy, who was Wileyn and Lily's father, he was waiting
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for his daughters to come pick him up for a doctor's appointment that morning.
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He lived just around the corner from the girls in the Heights neighborhood of Houston.
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So when they still hadn't shown up. He walked to their home around
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eight thirty in the morning to go check on him. As he approached the
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home, he immediately knows the front door was partially open. Now why wouldn't
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he if he was going to doctor. I didn't understand this, Like,
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if I lived around the corner with him walking distance, why would I make
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them drive by and pick me up. Why wouldn't I just go to their
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house and meet him there and then we could all leave together. You know,
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maybe they just wanted to come pick that. Maybe he had trouble walk
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and I you don't know. Somebody should have researched the Maybe I have issues
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with my father and I think he can walk. Or you know, you
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got daddy issues, is what you're saying, Stuart. Don't say it like
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that. That's disgusting, that's what you said. No, you don't say
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he's got what you got daddy issues? So gross sounding? Not issues.
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Oh God, he said you had issues with your dad. I said I
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have issues with my father. Oh you got father issues. Sorry, Yes,
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we don't need to say you got daddy issues. You need someone to
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be your daddy. That's cross Jesus. Okay, okay, moving on,
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So he begins to really worry. At this point, he enters the home
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and he sees that both of his daughters are lying lifeless on the floor with
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visible signs of trauma to their bodies. He calls nine to one one and
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the officers respond, See, I had to get all that that out before
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this happened, you know, I know, because we've got to be serious.
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So officers taking the scene. The two women are lying on the floor.
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Lily's head was near Wyleen's feet. It almost looked like they had been
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maybe positioned that way, is they just were in an odd for them to
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have just fallen that way. Now from the initial scene, they believe twenty
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three year old Lily had been killed. First, her attack had been much
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more direct. She just had that a single gunshot wound to the back of
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the head and she was still fully closed. So it's almost like they whoever
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did this, just came in shot her right away and moved on to Wileen.
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Now, thirty three year old Wyleen had gone through a much more brutal
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attack. Wilen was partially clothed and appeared to have been the victim of a
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sexual assault. Now she had an item stuffed in her mouth and four stab
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wounds to the neck. Now, the knife used was a large knife.
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They're thinking maybe like you would see like a kitchen knife type of thing,
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but it was not recovered at the scene. She also had a gunshot wound
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to her arm. Now it was clear to police that Wylen had suffered prior
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to her death, while Lily had been killed quickly, almost like a execution
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styles that the words do yes, yes, Now it appeared that Wileen because
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of this, Wilen was the main target, and it looked like the killer
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was angry when attacking Wylene because it was just excessive, Like the amount of
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damage that the killer did was just over the top to stab her, to
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beat her, to shoot her, and everything like that. It was just
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overkilled. Now, autopsy would later confirm that Wyleen was sexually assaulted, while
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Lily was not. Like I said, she wasn't her clothes weren't off,
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Lilies weren't or anything like that. So they already were thinking no because the
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killer would have had to dress for again or yeah. Now, as detectives
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comb through the crime scene, they did find numerous bloody footprints that did not
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belong to either Wylene or Lily. The crime scene did not appear to have
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robbery as a motive, and one of the women's wallets was missing. However,
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cash and other valuables were left behind, even though the perpetrator dumped out
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their purses and rifled through their belongings. You know you say you say either
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and I say either. When I hear people say either instead of either,
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I automatically think, what a dumbass to mate? Tomato knew blue? What
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is it that? What is it about the like? Why do I say
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either and you say either? And I hate I hate the sound of the
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word when people say either, It it grates on me, like it's either.
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Well, that's one of the numerous things I do that does great on
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you. Again, But because you did punch me this morning while I was
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sleeping, I did, no, kay, I kissed you more than once.
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That was just the one time you ever felt it. I did kick
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him this morning multiple times. And I did say if you don't stop snoring,
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I'm gonna step you. And yes, I did say that. And
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if I'd had a knife, I would have done it because I had been
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so the baby's been getting gas at night, like she's she's pretty easygoing baby,
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but she's been getting gas at night. So because I have to get
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up and I pump or whatever, I have to get up in pump.
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I usually take the night shift and everything, and then Stu gets up in
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the morning and then I sleep for I'll sleep for I do get like a
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really good stretch of sleep after he gets up, like, I'll pump and
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then I go back to bed till seven one. Yeah, I'm I'm like
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my wake up. And if you're if you've ever I exclusively pump. I
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don't we shet like I don't breastfeed or whatever, so I exclude so like
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I'll get up at the meeting, I'm like, I got a pump because
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like you feel like they're about to explode because I'm like terrible, but this
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is my third baby, so I don't need to hear about how I'm supposed
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to be pumping every two to three hours at the beginning. I did this
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with the other two and I managed to make it a whole year. So
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I just I make way more than what I'm supposed to do anyways. So
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anyway, so I take the night shift because it just works out for me
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better. That's what we've always done. I always take the night shift and
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it stew takes over around like six or seven in the morning, and then
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I sleep till like eleven or twelve or one. No, I can't.
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If I could, oh, I would sleep till one if it wasn't for
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like boobs being hard as a rock or whatever. So I'm about to explode,
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really, yeah, how come on, I don't see this. What
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are you talking about? Hard? We okay, we're not talking about this.
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We already got in trouble for talking about me shitting in the delivery room.
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In the delivery room, and I would just like to say, in
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Stew's defense, he did not the first time when the epidural worked and you
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don't feel any of that stuff happening. He didn't mention it at all.
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It wasn't until the second kid, whenever the epidural failed, I was like,
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oh my god, I felt it all like come out. And He's
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like, yeah, so now it's like a joke. But anyways, so
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I don't know why, oh, because I was gonna stab Stewing middle.
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So yeah, So last night I was so I was tired, and I
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was just so annoyed with snorker. I kicked him a couple of times in
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while. I kicked him real hard, and he walked up and I said,
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if you don't stop snoring, I'm gonna stab you to And then he
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just went back to bitch, very trusting, and then I send him a
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reel of the Queen's stabbing some anyways, don't do me any favors. What
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are you gonna do with three kids in yourself? Go ahead, anyways,
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dare you to stab me? No? I know I need you to.
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I need you. You're worth more to be alive at this point, all
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right, So anyway, purses dumped out, rifled through their belongings. No
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signs of fourth century. The front door was left open, and the rest
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of the doors were still locked. It appeared that the woman had let the
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killer the women Stewart, not the woman. Well, there was probably only
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one woman to let them in, but the women. One of the women
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had let the killer in. Yeah, one, not the woman. One
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of the women would be a woman. Okay, but you should just that
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sounds stupid, but okay, go on. Don't expect anything others from you.
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So police theorize that they may have known the perpetrator A cushion was also
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missing from the couch, but it was recovered about a block from the home
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with blood on it. Police did not have a clear reason for the couch
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cushion being taken from the home. It was just very strange. Yeah,
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so it was a strange crime scene all the way around. Fingerprints were recovered
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from the scene and these were taking and sent off to a lap or testing.
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During the autopsy, they did recover semen. However, there was not
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much that could be done with the sample at the time because this is before
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DNA testing. Yeah. Really, I think the only they can do is
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chest if they're like a secret or non secretor at that point in time,
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blood type and all that mess. Yeah, they could well, no,
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that's yeah, that's if it's if it's a secretor you can find out the
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blood type from but that's only twenty percent of all men. You can.
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That's a secret they secrete their blood type into their semen, but that's a
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small percentage. So most of the time they're non secretors. They don't tell
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you anything. It's like okay, So they didn't say that they could find
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anything out from the semen, so he probably was a non sense creature,
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I guess. But anyways, what are you gonna do with the blood time?
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Anyways? Okay, that's great, that's if they're like eight. You
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can rule suspects out there. Well, yeah, blood time, But that's
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about all you can do. You can't really pinpoint a direct person. So
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all they could do with that DNA. But back then, though, they
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did understand that there was a lot of things that in the future scientifically that
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they could do, so they did know to at least store that evidence so
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they could test it at a later time if something is science progressed. Because
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by nineteen eighty four, I figure they probably already had it like in the
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works. It wasn't DNA testing Like in the nineties they started doing that.
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I think they started being able to use it now late eighties, maybe early
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nineties, I don't know. Yeah, I think it was in the nineties.
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Well, I was doing other things. I was being born, so
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well, okay, I'll I'll say what I was doing there. She has
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daddy issues persian golf, all right. Detectives began by talking to neighbors to
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see if they had seen anyone that night or heard anything. Now, the
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only direct interaction someone had was the night before when Lily had gone to a
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neighbor's home to see if they had an ACE bandage because she had sprained her
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ankle. Could you even imagine in current times to ask for anything? I
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mean, if I was being murdered, I'd be like, I don't know,
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but even for like an ACE bandage, Like no, they might want
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to have dinner, then I'll want to talk to talk to them. Yeah,
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I found out our neighbors over there have wine werners, and I'm like,
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this is too much. It's we've gotten too We've got to know each
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other too much. Well, yeah, that lady asked me, She's like,
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have you had the baby yet? And I'm like, who are you?
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And how do you? Because here's what happened. Okay, I'm Stewart
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is much more, much, much nicer to the neighbors than I am.
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Okay, like I'm as you've heard in the past, I hate our neighbors
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every time time I find some reason to not like it. So anyways,
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know what happened was I was pulling up to our to the car because I
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have to park, we have to. I was pulling up to the curb
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to park the truck or whatever, and the lady's just sitting out there in
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front of our house with this dog like this wye Mariiner, just laying on
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the sidewalk, and so I'm pulling up. I'm like, so I opened
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the window. I'm like, Hi, can I help you? Because I'm
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like, what are you doing just laying in our in front of our standing
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in front of our house. And she's like, oh, she's just resting
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and we think she got hit by a car or something. I'm like,
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Jesus Christ. This escalated quickly. So anyways, so then I got out.
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I was like, oh, okay, like she thought. I was
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like, I'm the crazy one because I'm asking you why you're just sitting in
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front of our house. But anyway, so I so I had to talked
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to her then. So then I was visibly pregnant, you know. So
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then I had to talk to him about that. And then the husband came
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and then it was like they were rescuing, rescuing why mariners and everything,
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and I was like, oh, yeah, those are such interesting dogs.
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And all I was thinking was like those dogs are pains and the asses because
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I wore ad a doggy daycare and the wine mariners were Hi mane, hi,
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mamen's let me just say the please if you have a wine mariner,
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I'm sure you loved them, but you know, God bless you anyway,
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So they rescue these wine mariners over there, and that that wouldn't happen to
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be have something happened to it and I guess it got surrendered or whatever.
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So they were trying to like rehabilitate it in everything. So anyways, that's
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how she knew you were having a baby. That's how she knew I was
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having the baby. So but I would still never go over there and ask
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for an ace bandage. I'd rather just like saw my own ankle than to
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ask for an ex bandage for a spring. So yeah, that's the thing
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you pay like the twenty five dollars fee on like door dash to get it
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just brought to you within thirty minutes or something crazy. You know that you
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can do. So So anyways, that's the last time someone had seen Lily
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alive besides her sister. Now. Another neighbor said that they were awoken by
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a loud noise from a dead sleep around six am. They also had another
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neighbor that had the most promising information, and that was that early that morning,
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a neighbor had seen a man walking from the direction of Wyleen and Lily's
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home while he was getting in his car headed to work. Now, the
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neighbor actually confronted the man because he looked very suspicious. He's like, what
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are you doing? And the guy was acted embarrassed and he's like he actually
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said, what do I look suspicious or something. The neighbor's like, yeah,
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you do. You do look suspicious, and he said he was carrying
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some stuff in his arm, and he said that he had just had his
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fight with his girlfriend and was leaving her home with his stuff. So the
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man, you know, got in his car and went to work, and
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the other guy, like you know, went about his business. Now police
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believe he was most likely carrying that couch cushion that was later dropped because it
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was dropped in that direction headed that way. Now, the neighbor was able
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to give a sketch artist a good description, which gave the police something to
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send out to the public for leeds. So that person actually, they believe
23:56
interacted with the killer that morning at Rome between because they believe that the neighbor
24:03
that was awakened with the loud noises around six am was those gunshots. That's
24:06
what they heard, was those two gunshots going off. Now, police did
24:11
receive several tips. One of them was for a drug dealer that lived nearby,
24:15
but this didn't pan out. It was a dead end. That's what
24:19
made me look up about the Heights. I was like, that lady that
24:22
I know that I work with, she is not living in a neighborhood where
24:26
there's a drug dealer that lives around the corner. So that's when I started
24:30
looking. And then I got into the Reddit boards about rent prices and the
24:33
heights and all this stuff like that. So yeah, it's and they were
24:37
talking about and yeah, and then they were talking about, oh yeah,
24:40
twenty five years ago, it wasn't this expensive and blah blah blah blah.
24:42
So yeah, that's where I got into the whole history of the heights and
24:47
all that stuff. So is that where we're moving next? No, we
24:52
cannot afford to live in the heights. Story It is cool though, there's
24:53
like like old Victorian because that's what happened was it was, if you know,
24:59
you have these neighborhoods at these really old houses, Well then someone with
25:02
some money comes in, they're like, oh, you can't replace you can't
25:07
re manufacture an old Victorian home. You got to go where the old Victorians
25:10
homes are. So then next thing, you know, they they're like,
25:11
oh, I'm gonna put a bunch of money in this and I'm going to
25:14
restore this Victorian house. Then the next thing, you know, their neighbors
25:17
like I'm gonna put this in. They're just a kind of a quirky,
25:18
fun neighborhood. Let's let's run all the people out that that are like working
25:23
and living here, and let's overprice it. And then now it's all sterilized.
25:29
Is that the word? Sure? I guess, you know, like
25:32
when the neighborhoods are like all artsy and stuff like that, and it's like
25:34
the people that are making the art or living in the neighborhood and it's all
25:38
keeping it weird, Like yeah, keeping it weird. Yeah. But now
25:41
Austin's like super expensive too. I don't know what kind of rich, weird
25:45
people are living there, because it's expensive, like to live in Austin,
25:49
like to live in it. Any big city these days is expensive to live
25:53
in it. Like we went to Boston, it was over a million dollar
25:56
homes all down there, but that's because you can't read. You can't build
26:00
one of those new. You have to go and find an old one and
26:03
restore it. But you need money for that. So anyway, so that's
26:07
what I was like, Okay, there's a drug dealer. Because I thought
26:08
maybe the girls were like rich and their dad was rich or something because of
26:14
what I know the heights aren't. But I think they were just regular people.
26:19
Anyways, go on, people, Yeah, just what what do you
26:27
What? Am I going to trouble for that one? No, I'm just
26:30
laughing because you call them regular people, Well, they are regular people.
26:33
They're not like super rich, you know, living in old Victorian homes down
26:37
there. I could be completely wrong about the heights, and someone who actually
26:41
lives in the heights right now, it's like, you, dumb bitch,
26:45
different neighborhood. I said at least once of that, No you don't,
26:49
well maybe not to your face, but I said, you say it in
26:52
your head and then you're like yes, dear, yes, dear out loud.
26:59
So the police tracked down all the leads they received, but nothing came
27:03
from any of those leads. Now, during this time they began looking into
27:07
the significant others of the two women. Lily had just fought Milt. Lily
27:11
had just finalized her divorce the friday before, and she had complained that her
27:17
ex husband was threatening her. They tracked down her ex and he had an
27:21
airtight alibi. CARAA. He was in surgery for his back that day that
27:26
Lily and Wylene were killed. Well, he was either in surgery or he
27:30
had just came out of back surgery. Either way, he was physically incapable.
27:33
He'd had surgery on like some vertebrae I think maybe from like a herniated
27:37
disc, so he physically would not be able to do this at all.
27:41
No, any but it's had spinal surgery knows that he ain't doing shit.
27:45
Yeah, you just laying there popping your pain pills watching TV. Yeah,
27:49
don't get me started on all the things about like how they'll give we We
27:55
were talking to Stu's brother and he had a what did he have? He
27:57
had like a back he'd pulled his back called a muscle on his back,
28:00
and they gave him like pain medication stuff like that. And I was like,
28:03
oh, don't mind me because we were calling and like just showing FaceTime
28:07
like the baby and stuff like that. I was like, don't mind me.
28:08
I just pushed a near nine pound baby out of me and nobody gave.
28:11
Everybody's like just take some tilet on some and then like this. It's
28:17
I see all those like reels all the time where they're like making fun of
28:21
of like the things that women like they have c sections and stuff, and
28:23
they're like, oh, yeah, here's here's one day of pain pills and
28:26
then you just need to take tiling on and ibuprofen. And then you got
28:29
this guy that like pulled his back and it's like here, here's a week's
28:30
worth them. Oh yeah, some percosets. Yeah. Anyways, are you
28:40
done ranting? I'm done ranting. It just maybe think of that now.
28:42
Based on the crime saying, it did not seem that Lily was the main
28:45
target, and so they began looking into Wyoleine's past relationships. She had an
28:49
ex boyfriend that had made threats and she was afraid of him. They find
28:53
that ex boyfriend. You're wrong with these men making threats all the time.
28:56
I don't know, why would you do that? I don't know. This
29:02
is nineteen eighty four, so you can do shit. It sounds like it's
29:06
gonna get caught on your iPhone back then. Yeah, so you can be
29:08
an asshole. Yeah, I was watching. So we've been watching lock Up.
29:14
I've been watching lock Up. I used to watch lock Up all the
29:15
time and I've been watching it again. And the one guy was like,
29:18
I didn't threaten her. I mean I said something about, like I'm not
29:21
gonna I'm gonna kill you or something like that, but I never threatened her.
29:23
And I'm like, Lockup is hilarious. But it's just like these guys,
29:30
like are you They say, they say one thing and they contradicts themselves
29:33
from the like I didn't threaten her. I mean I said something about like
29:37
I'm going to kill you if you don't stop or something, but I didn't
29:41
do anything to him. I mean I hit him, but I didn't really
29:42
do anything to you hit him anyway. So they do find the ex boyfriend.
29:52
He agrees to a polygraph, which he passes. His fingerprints also did
29:57
not match the ones that were found at the crime scene, and they were
30:00
still not convinced quite so completely that he was to rule him out, so
30:06
they brought in the neighbor who had confronted the killer that morning, and he
30:10
did not pick the ex boyfriend out of the lineup. They also compared the
30:14
gun that the ex boyfriend had in his possession and it did not match the
30:18
gun that was used during the murders. At least they did their due diligence,
30:21
because we've seen them time and time before just just dismiss someone too quickly.
30:26
They they scatch them up without checking everything out. Yeah, they looked
30:30
into this guy pretty thoroughly and were feeling comfortable dismissing him as a suspect.
30:36
Yeah, so after all this they did finally clear him. Now, this
30:40
was the end of any leads or suspects that the police had to look into,
30:44
and the case started going cold pretty quickly after that. So fast forward
30:51
all the way to twenty fourteen. A new detective was on the case and
30:56
they also had By this point Wiley and Lily's both their parents had passed away,
31:03
But I believe it was a niece or someone that was still kind of
31:07
pushing it, prodding the police. Like the mom had done her part every
31:11
year on the anniversary, she had tried to get this out in the media
31:14
and remind people to try to bring you get any new information and stuff that.
31:17
So I think it was a niece that brought this back to the police's
31:21
attention and started talking to this new cold case detective. So the first thing
31:26
he did was he ran that DNA profile through codis and there was no match.
31:32
Now he began looking at the case again from the beginning, going back
31:34
all through the case files, but there was just nothing there. There was
31:37
no new information that he could find that was missed or any leads that they
31:41
didn't follow up on. So they were at the point without new information,
31:45
this case may never be solved. And that's when out of nowhere, a
31:49
phone call came in from Indiana. Now, an attorney there said that his
31:53
client had some information about a double homicide that happened down in Houston, you
31:59
know, thirty years ago. The cold case detective from Houston, he flew
32:05
to Indiana to talk to the man in person because he felt like this was
32:08
this was serious enough. The guy knew enough information like I need to really
32:12
I need to be there in person. I need to talk to this guy
32:14
and verify everything. So the guy gave him the name Edmund Deagan. Now
32:20
he said that Edmund had shown up one day and was all hyped up.
32:23
This is talking about thirty years ago he'd shown up. He was all hyped
32:27
up. He brought in a quilt to his home and also some other items
32:30
that looked like a woman's purse. Now, the informant said that Edmund began
32:35
beating a gun with a hammer into the concrete that day. He then started
32:38
a fire in the backyard and burned the woman's items that he had while saying,
32:44
things got out of hand and I had to kill them. So he's
32:45
just muttering this while he's beating a gun on the sidewalk and burning stuff in
32:51
the backyard, and you know, it was a memorable day, We'll just
32:53
say for this guy. But I mean, this guy's in customed to get
32:55
this point, so he's probably lived quite the colorful life himself. He's just
33:00
like, ah, okay, how can I reduce my sounds here. So
33:04
when looking into Edmund, they found that he did have a criminal pass which
33:07
included aggravated robbery and drug possession, and more importantly, he also had a
33:12
connection to Wileen. He had a friend that actually sold vintage clothes to Wileen's
33:17
clothing shop, and that's how he knew her. He had come across her
33:22
in this friends group and everything like that. So now we have a guy
33:24
saying I witnessed him doing all this stuff like thirty years ago. He was
33:29
acting erratic, saying that he killed them blah blah blah, and then he
33:34
actually knew Wyleen. They could connect those two dots right there. The detective
33:38
did track down Edmund, who was living in the Houston area. He told
33:43
them that he did know Wylen, but he did not hurt her, and
33:45
he had never had any type of sexual relationship with her. He was willing
33:51
to give DNA sample, so they took a swab, sent it off to
33:54
be tested and surprise, prize came back as a match to their SAMP.
34:00
And he'd ruled himself out as saying he'd had Yeah, yeah, you know,
34:05
you never say that, like if you're going to try to get away
34:08
with something, you'd say, I did have a sexual relationship with her,
34:12
but it was consensual, not trying to tell you how to murder, way
34:15
to go. Okay, but like that was a miss. That's why they
34:19
asked him that beginning, because if they say it, no, I didn't,
34:21
then they say, okay, Well, if we find this at all,
34:24
your DNA on her body. Then therefore if you say no, I
34:29
did not ever have sex with her, then you you're the one that raped
34:32
her, you know, because it shouldn't be there, should not make rookie
34:36
mistake. I didn't know this was a one star how to podcast for murder,
34:44
one star review, telling people how to murder women. Now, Edmund
34:49
was charged with capital murder. However, things would not progress to a trial.
34:52
With only the DNA evidence connecting him to Wylan's murder, the DA had
34:59
nothing to prove that he had killed Lily. They became concerned that they would
35:04
not be able to get a conviction in court just based off the DNA evidence
35:07
alone, so they offered him a plea deal to see what he would do.
35:10
He accepted a deal, pleading guilty only to Wylen's murder. He was
35:15
sentenced to fifteen years in prison. However he would I don't understand why it's
35:21
such a oh well, he was sentenced to that was part of his plea
35:24
deal. I guess was the fifteen years like such a short time, But
35:30
I guess I do understand how they were very concerned about not getting conviction at
35:32
all with this because all they had was that. But people in modern times
35:37
are you know, real, They're like DNA evidence done and done. We're
35:44
golden on that one. You know, we understand this isn't the nineties.
35:47
We understand the DNA's do really? Yeah? Are you sure? I think
35:52
so? I don't think. We don't understand it, but we know it's
35:55
solid we solid science, yes? Or was it played? The science is
35:59
settled, as they would say. Anyway, he would only end up serving
36:05
seven years of this sentence due to the time that he committed the crime.
36:09
There were laws in place in Texas about good behavior and early release. Mandatory
36:15
release was a Texas law enacted in nineteen seventy seven and it lasted until nineteen
36:21
eighty seven, which was three years after this murder was committed. This was
36:25
mostly there in place to alleviate prison over crowding. The law, Yes,
36:30
solid plan, Let's let all the murderers out because we the prisons are Let's
36:36
instead, let's let all the like the people that got arrested on drug charges.
36:39
Let's disregard that. Let's let the murderers and rapists out. That sounds
36:43
like a good plan, solid solid planning. Now the law allows you to
36:47
have good behavior credit, which is equal to two days off of your sentence
36:52
for every one day of good behavior, which they have a good behavior time.
36:57
Now again watching lock Up, I know they do I early releases but
37:00
from good behavior, but not for these heinous crimes like murder and things like
37:05
that. These are guys that usually it's a it's something like drugs or something
37:08
like that, that they can earn credit for good behavior. Yeah, mainly
37:12
non by a loot stuff. It's and it's not mandatory. This was the
37:15
problem here. This was mandatory. They had to do this. There was
37:17
no looking at it and saying, oh, actually, we probably shouldn't let
37:22
this guy out because you know, look at a judge or a parle board
37:23
or whatever saying like, no, we can't let you out. This is
37:27
actually there's no other option. It's done. Yeah, so oh Edmund,
37:32
he served his time most of a good time, so he knocks seven years
37:37
off of sentence. So you add your good time to the actual time served
37:43
and once you reach your sentence length, you are automatically released and there's nothing
37:46
that anybody can do about it. Now, this did allow Edmund to be
37:50
released in the year twenty twenty one, So he's out looking for us right
37:54
now, as soon as his podcast is released. You don't think he's a
37:57
Patreon I never did. If you're a paid no, if you're a patron
38:01
member, you're not allowed anymore. You must quit. So he won't find
38:06
out about this for about two days. Yes, if we have a little
38:09
lead time, we'll let the wimerriners next door know, Yes, so they
38:14
can alert us the busted up one, though he's already had a hard line.
38:20
Yeah. Can't have him get killed. Yeah, I mean I think
38:22
he's got a bomb lag or him. Yeah, well they said that.
38:28
I don't know, Stuart. I didn't want to. Normally I'm a curious
38:30
person, but not if it's like people that live directly next to us,
38:34
I don't want to know. I just want to I just want to not
38:36
interact with you anymore. Might get invites to dinner, Yes, they seem
38:40
like people that would bring us over. Well, not the husband. The
38:45
husband was definitely like when you get the fuck out. But the wife,
38:49
Yeah, she was definitely a coming from a rost I got leftovers. Yeah,
38:53
no, sorry, kids are being acting up. We gotta stay if
39:00
they'll take our kids. Really, No, this isn't. We've never had
39:07
a babysitter or literally one of us has been with our children the entire time,
39:12
except for when I went to go have this last one. My brother
39:16
came to town and watched. That's literally the only person that's watched our children.
39:22
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's it. We've never had a
39:28
babysitter or nothing. We might have trust issues. It might be this podcast
39:32
fault. Can I finished this podcast? Yes, so the family was able
39:40
to get him banned from Harris County until the year twenty thirty. But other
39:45
than that, Edmund is a pre man, yes, and he might live
39:49
over here. I don't know where he's is. I tried to look and
39:51
see where he was at. I don't know. Yeah, probably a good
39:53
point. He did have a Facebook page and you're like a freey old man.
39:58
No, he had fIF teen friends on his Facebook page, and I'm
40:01
pretty sure it was him, But he looked pretty old and decrepit at that
40:05
point. So I think we'll see him coming with his Can hear him and
40:08
smelling the walker with the tennis balls on? I think we'll hear him and
40:14
smelling before he gets here, because he'll have to stop to pull the gun
40:16
out to get it. Yeah, so we're good anyways. Yes, all
40:22
right, so that's our case for this episode. Stu, you have a
40:28
yell need Jesus, of course I always have one, contrary to what you
40:30
say about me. We'll pause this why Stu pulls this out and figures this
40:35
whole situation. Use me while I whip this out. Okay. Coming to
40:39
us from The New York Post, published February eighteenth, twenty twenty four,
40:46
Brilliant scientist pleads guilty to running breaking bad style meth lab after inadvertently calling the
40:53
cops on his own self. Not Florida, not Florida, because you said,
41:00
brilliant scientist and there are none Florida's. Wow, you're just going to
41:05
get us all kinds of hate from Jersey and Florida. Now you just add
41:09
in states to the list. As we go on, find a Long Island
41:13
scientist told you got to a running running a breaking bad style meth lab that
41:19
initially landed on the police's radar when he called about a break in at the
41:23
facility last year. Prosecutors said, there's some hard words in there, starting
41:30
with the purpse name. Well, it ain't that hard. Matthew Leshinski,
41:35
twenty three, accidentally called the cops on himself when he dialed nine one one
41:38
at about three point thirty a m June seventh to report a burgley in progress
41:44
at the purported ron con Coma establishment. What the fuck is that? A
41:52
town? Maybe Quantitative Laboratories LLC, the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office said.
41:59
When Suffolk County Police reached the scene, officers found broken glass at the entrance
42:04
of the lab, a facility which they eventually realized was secretly manufacturing and pumping
42:09
out metha, metha, amphetamine, and other controlled substances. And pronounce it
42:15
metha aphetamine, not just methamphetamine. You said, metha and fetamine. You
42:22
know. You look at the word and you're like, it writes with that
42:25
thing. Whenever the thing says, what's the word you've missed? There's this
42:30
video word that got It's like, what's a word that you've mispronounced it?
42:34
It's still haunt you to THEA and it flashes his gun and he said,
42:38
man's laughter, and it was manslaughter, and he said man's He's like,
42:45
man's laughter, man's laughter, Man's And I guess you know, when you're
42:52
reading something, you do you We're a dumb society at this point because we
42:57
don't read that much. But can you say, Roy, let's start with
43:00
me about don't start with me, Leroy, don't start I will STABU.
43:09
Don't add to the list of reasons. Why so anyway? Man's laughter,
43:15
Man's laughter. Yes, So he was producing the controlled substances, including the
43:22
hallucinogenic here we go dimethyl trip domine. The District Attorney's office set. More
43:30
than one hundred items of lab equipment, Chemical reagents and solvents that go into
43:36
meth were found, along with over three ounces of myth, six hundred and
43:39
twenty five thousand milligrams of pure ketamine, and twenty plastic jugs of gamma.
43:45
But t wrote them whatever GBL, which is similar to the date rape drug
43:52
GHB. Prosecutor said. About forty thousand dollars in cash was also seized by
43:58
the police. The defendant was operating a breaking bad style drug lab and tried
44:02
to conceal it under the guise of a legitimate business, Suffolk District Attorney Ray
44:08
Tierney said, in reference to the television drama series in which the chemistry teacher
44:14
starts a met lab, which if you've never watched Breaking Bad, we suggested,
44:20
Yeah, that's a good chow. Remember whenever you got upset when all
44:23
those girls came up to me and said I looked like Walter White. Remember
44:27
when you got upset to me whenever I watched Ahead. Yeah, you watched
44:30
like two or three episodes there. I did such a dirty, dirty person.
44:35
You were gonna say hooker or bitch. Maybe modified for the puck.
44:40
Well, I got in trouble last week, so you did talking about mister
44:45
Hanky. I was not upset for stew first time. It's a natural process.
44:53
Well, you're in charge of editing anyway, so I know he's like,
44:58
why did you edit that out? I'm like, because I'm too tired.
45:00
I don't have the energy anymore to edit out your stupidity. I just
45:05
gotta let it flow there it is. So anyway, continuing on with our
45:09
story, I want to thank the Suffolk County Police Department officers who keenly identified
45:15
evidence of a clandestine clandestine drug lab durtine drug lab during DestinE is how you
45:22
pronounce it during their initial response to the scene, as well as our prosecutors
45:30
and other members of law enforcement for collaborative efforts. Blah blah, law further
45:32
investigate this defendant and hold him accountable for the deadly drugs he put out into
45:37
the streets of Suffolk County. He continued. This is where it gets stupid,
45:45
because we're going to bring the defense attorney into it. Lishinsky claimed on
45:49
his LinkedIn page that Quantitative Laboratories LLC analyzes cannabis. Though he admitted to manufacturing
45:57
the potent and deadly drugs, his lawyer attempted to pay a positive picture of
46:00
his client. Attorney David Besso told Newsday his client is a brilliant scientist who
46:07
was examining drug addiction for the public good and denied and denied he sold math
46:15
out of the lab. While he said, Leshinsky applied for Department of Environmental
46:20
Conservation license, he was working without the correct certification when he was arrested.
46:25
That was his only crime. Yes, it's like the people. Well,
46:29
the only reason I had child porns because I was researching, you know,
46:31
pedophile. Because some guy actually used that defense whenever he got caught with it.
46:38
I was just researching that. I was just researching pedophiles. That's the
46:42
only reason I had it. I was seeing what made him tick. Unfortunately
46:46
he went about it the wrong way. Best hotel, the newspaper. The
46:50
Farmingville resident overall pleaded at thirteen charges tied to the case, including multiple counts
46:55
of criminal possession of a controlled substance and on lawfulmacin manufacture of meth he was.
47:02
His sentencing is set for March twentieth. Oh so that's today, yesterday,
47:08
today, today? Yeah so we So you didn't do any extra research
47:13
to find out what happened to him? Well, now you see how it
47:15
feels whenever you say that about me, whenever I'm having an entire case and
47:20
all you've done is read a news article. Yeah, so I've done my
47:24
part. Yes, I told you're on the talent. You know what.
47:28
It's like the thing. It's like the thing. It's like, okay,
47:30
well, the woman grows the baby birds, the baby makes all the food
47:37
to make the baby survive for a whole year. That's all they need.
47:39
And then the man is the real hero. Because you had a bed at
47:45
the hospital. I had to sleep on the couch. God, I had
47:49
to pay for my hospital food. You got you, they gave it half
47:52
off Stewart, You got chers from they charged you half. They charged me
47:55
like nine ten. I can't even believe that they want you. This is
48:00
what's crazy to me. They want they want women and stuff like that to
48:02
have. They want women to have support in the in labor and delivery.
48:07
And then and then if like one time I had a stew left with the
48:10
first one. I think he left to get me a pillow because I asked
48:15
him to run back home and get me a pillow because the pills are so
48:16
bad. And the nurse came in and be like, where's your husband at
48:20
like so appalled that he wasn't there or whatever. I'm like he ranmar bitch,
48:23
now what ye anyways, and just so appalled. But then whenever it
48:28
comes time to actually feed the person that's in there supporting you, like while
48:32
you're having the baby and after you have the baby and stuff with that,
48:36
they're like, yeah, it's we're gonna charge you for the meal. We
48:38
can't even give you a shitty hospital mill, like two of them in there
48:44
for for the person whoever you have, and they're supporting you while you're having
48:47
a baby and stuff like that. It's just like it's okay, it wasn't
48:52
that great. I would have gone to water Burger, I know that,
48:53
but they charged. My point is is that they should just give you a
48:57
meal free for the person that's in there supporting, because they make such a
49:00
big fuss about you having somebody in there to help you, and they don't
49:04
want you in there by yourself with the baby and stuff like that. And
49:07
then they can't even give the spouse or whoever a free meal. They charged
49:14
you half price is what you were charged. I think we had to give
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him a credit card that day, cash cash. They wouldn't even like bill
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it to us. They could swipe a card, but I had cash.
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I didn't want them to have my credit card number. Not to mention,
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the epidural did not work, so we should have gotten our meals for free.
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I feel like or a refund on the anesthesiologist. Yes, yeah,
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I bet he still wants to get paid. I bet he does. And
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he probably got himself a discounting meal from the hospital cafeteria probably yep, Probably
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better discount than you've got. Probably nice parking too, yep. All right,
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Well that's our episode for this episode this week this week, and so
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check out our Patreon because we have a lot of diapers to buy uh,
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out the Instagram, the Facebook, and my tender write as some review what
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what what is wrong with you? Or was that the week before? I
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don't remember you said something about your tender. It's a call Yeah, it's
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a call back to that. Okay, if this is your first episode,
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it assholes and I have daddy daddy issues. If they didn't, if they
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didn't like, if they wouldn't have made it this far. Okay, Well
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no, some people just like to hate. Listen all right, so I
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guess we will see you next time. Buy everyone, say bye, ste
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Tell you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shouts my napping. Else is working
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