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Inside The Sooner Family - Jay Woullard Talks About Brent Venables and Why Oklahoma · Sooner or Later Sports

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  Speaker 1: One.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. It's your boy Coop again here with
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  Speaker 2: Unfair Sports, and I'm so excited to have you guys
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  Speaker 2: join me on this next journey that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be taking. As a Oklahoma content guy, I cover the
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  Speaker 2: team from all aspects, you know, some recruiting, some team news,
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  Speaker 2: and often some performance. But I'm also a parent and
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  Speaker 2: I've often thought about what it actually looks like when parenthood, recruiting,
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  Speaker 2: and fandom mix. So I'm starting this series called Inside
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  Speaker 2: the Sooner Family. This is going to give parents a
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  Speaker 2: chance to talk about their experiences and recruiting actions on
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  Speaker 2: culture in IL and what it looks like in lending
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  Speaker 2: their most prized possessions to a sports program, often quite
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  Speaker 2: the Sooner Family. What's going on, everybody. It's your boy
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  Speaker 2: Coop again here with Unfair Sports and the Sooner or
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  Speaker 2: Later podcast. And today's episode of Inside the Sooner Family
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  Speaker 2: is with mister let Me Rewind a little bit, the
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  Speaker 2: Man the Mint, the Mister Jay Willard, so Jay, welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me today. Man, how's it going for you?
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like we're off screen. We were talking about
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  Speaker 2: you got you got all the grandkids and everything over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you having me, man. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit of a zoo. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean stop moving, you know, you can kind of
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  Speaker 3: start dying, you know, I mean they keep me on
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  Speaker 3: my toes, you know. I mean take me back to
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  Speaker 3: a little bit some years ago when I had the
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  Speaker 3: little ones flexing around. But they just moved up here
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  Speaker 3: from Jacksonville about four months ago, so we didn't have
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  Speaker 3: him for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: So it's worked with weight in gold.
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  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, you take advantage. My my mom and uh
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  Speaker 2: stepdad moved in from uh from Austin, so we got
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  Speaker 2: to do that. But they moved in from Austin when
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  Speaker 2: my daughter there, we go that. Now you're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be a fan favorite if people haven't even
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  Speaker 2: met you yet. But uh moved up from Austin when,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right when we were pregnant with my daughter.
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  Speaker 2: And man, that's just it's tough thing because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even a forty five minute drive to see the grandkids
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  Speaker 2: like sometimes that's just daunting. So it's cool to have
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  Speaker 2: them closer. Oh absolutely, Well this Sooner or Later or
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  Speaker 2: this this inside the Sooner Family podcast. What I really
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  Speaker 2: like is this is a chance for our fans to
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  Speaker 2: get to know you because you guys have story. Each
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  Speaker 2: parent has a different story that things that you guys
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  Speaker 2: went through, you know, just in football in general, with
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  Speaker 2: the recruiting processes, how you found Oklahoma. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to you know, kind of dive into those today. So again,
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  Speaker 2: if you guys have not already hit that like button
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  Speaker 2: hits the subscribe, if you've got comments, questions for Jay,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a parent. Another reasons why I'm doing this
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  Speaker 2: is you know parents who are going through the process
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  Speaker 2: right now that they can get kind of an inside
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  Speaker 2: look and see some truths because you get sold a lots,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on the recruiting trail. So Jay, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the time, you know, parents will look at their
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  Speaker 2: kids and they'll see Joe Montana, you know, when they're
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  Speaker 2: five years old, and so you start, you know, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, I got a great one here, but
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  Speaker 2: it always doesn't pan out like that. So looking at Cayden,
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  Speaker 2: when did you kind of think, you know, there's something
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  Speaker 2: different about him. He might actually be something when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to a football.
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  Speaker 3: Player, Really, Cayden was always three sports when he was young,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I helped coach the football park,
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  Speaker 3: so that was actually a little more tuned in for me.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he really loved basketball, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he was always long, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: but he was pretty skinny when he was younger, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously flag football, you know, is a whole different breed,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Pretty much any kid if
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  Speaker 3: he gets the corner, he's gone. So he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: one of those kids too. But I would probably say
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  Speaker 3: sixth grade, which would have been his second year of tackle,
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  Speaker 3: when kind of got a little more on his plate,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and started asking more questions,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because me being the next player, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that was obviously the one spot where I was most comfortable, like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I can give him everything I got, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and if he can handle it, he can
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  Speaker 3: handle it.
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  Speaker 1: If he can't, so be it, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But I would probably say between right that year fifth
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  Speaker 3: grade is first year he broke his thumb, so he
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  Speaker 3: missed like four weeks, came back coached. Good buddy of mine,
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  Speaker 3: was like, hey, I'm gonna give you a shot to
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  Speaker 3: earn your spot back, but you're gonna earn it. And
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  Speaker 3: he dog walked him all week in practice, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, And I'm he just kept coming back,
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  Speaker 3: kept coming back, and then kind of was like okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you know, but he loved hooping. So I was like, man,
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  Speaker 3: he's long, he's gonna be tall. But I would say
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  Speaker 3: that sixth grade year, when a lot of the older kids,
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  Speaker 3: we had a pretty solid team, when they all moved
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  Speaker 3: up and I kind of had to lean on someone
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  Speaker 3: and obviously every parent that played, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna lean on my kid, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of an uncomfortable moment, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: where like you hope that everyone on the team realizes that, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is our meat potatoes right here, but you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to be daddy ball guy, you know, So we
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  Speaker 3: kind of played it by ear you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: How a couple are good coaches, some really good parents
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  Speaker 3: who you know, when I explained to him, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: everything had changed for that year.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we weren't quite as stacked.
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  Speaker 3: We had a lot of younger kids, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: my goal was always, hey, I want you to be
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  Speaker 3: better the last day than the first day. So then
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  Speaker 3: after a couple of scrimmages this and that, you get
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  Speaker 3: some of the parents coming up to you and saying, hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: you know your son's the real deal, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. So then you get a little more comfortable,
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  Speaker 3: like putting a little more on his plate. But I
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  Speaker 3: would say those years because we were in a local district,
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  Speaker 3: Harry High School, which is just a suburb of Masslin,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and he kind of we got to the
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  Speaker 3: point where he's getting through the junior high phase, getting
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  Speaker 3: ready to get there, and I actually played him the
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  Speaker 3: extra year of midget back here you can play in
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  Speaker 3: seventh grade also, so I actually played him in seventh
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  Speaker 3: grade the extra year, kind of kind of being greedy
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  Speaker 3: so I could coach him one more year. But then
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  Speaker 3: we kind of we talked about it, and I was like, well, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean I played at Maslin and it's
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  Speaker 3: a weird dynamic. I mean, I know what Maslin did
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  Speaker 3: for me. You know, the history speaks for itself. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of the guys that I played with or played
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  Speaker 3: there after me had all came back.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Coach Moore hired a bunch of Masslin guys that I
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  Speaker 3: knew that I trusted that, Hey, they're going to push
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  Speaker 3: him to develop him and getting better. So Mama Bear
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  Speaker 3: and I we spoke about it, you know, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: at Perry, he would have probably been the man, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not always what leads to where you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get to.
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  Speaker 1: So when he made the move, you know, knew a
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  Speaker 1: couple of guys at junior high.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, hey, we're going throw him right in the pan,
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  Speaker 3: you know. They was like, has he ever played inside back?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I'm in practice. Move you know, move
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  Speaker 3: him around, do different things. I was like, but not
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  Speaker 3: particularly it was like, well, can you give him a crash? Course,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, give me a couple of hours yet.
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  Speaker 3: But but then like once he got their eighth grade,
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  Speaker 3: he played some full back, he played some inside backer.
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  Speaker 3: They put his hand down on third downs and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and then I kind of seen him turn in the
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  Speaker 3: corner more as I could see that he loved being
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  Speaker 3: out there. And I would say, right about them was
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  Speaker 3: when I kind of was like, all right, let's put
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  Speaker 3: the pedal to the gas, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and see what happens. You know, But he still played basketball.
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  Speaker 3: He kind of gave up baseball around sixth grade, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so it just it was like a gradual progression,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He started getting a little
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  Speaker 3: bit bigger, a little bit thicker, and then he grew
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  Speaker 3: a little bit longer, you know, I mean, it was
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  Speaker 3: still kind of lean, you know, and then his uh,
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  Speaker 3: his sophomore year at Maslin, he uh, he lettered.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Dad always told him, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: the rules we go by volunteer for everything. You know.
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  Speaker 3: He got on some special teams. He actually long snapped,
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  Speaker 3: which really in midget football, but midget football long snap
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  Speaker 3: that's you know what I mean, that's kind of like
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  Speaker 3: a flip a coin. And he long snapped all year,
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  Speaker 3: ended up winning the varsity long snapping job. So he
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  Speaker 3: lettered his sophomore year a lot of special teams, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, some of those games where it was a
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  Speaker 3: little out of hand, he got some good, meaningful reps,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And we're still being kind of skinny.
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  Speaker 3: He was holding his own you know, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, I think we got a chance to do
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  Speaker 3: something here, you know, and I knew those guys down
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  Speaker 3: at Masson were going to push him, and I would
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  Speaker 3: say that was really when the train started going downhill.
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  Speaker 1: It was probably seventh eighth grade.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you did that. You kind of answered my
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  Speaker 2: next question, which is like, you know, being a player
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  Speaker 2: and having some you know history yourself, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: what are the things that you did to foster and
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  Speaker 2: to really you know, elevate him, Like was it working
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  Speaker 2: with a you know, passer special or did you ever
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  Speaker 2: have any of those or did was your experience good
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  Speaker 2: enough for that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean honestly, in the youth league, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of guys I knew, like very detail oriented,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And honestly, for me, that
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of the stuff that I thought would
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  Speaker 3: be most important for him down the road because the
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  Speaker 3: physical part, you know, only the man upstairs got control
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  Speaker 3: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I was just like, you know, I started trying
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  Speaker 3: to really hammer like the details of so because I
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  Speaker 3: knew he was going to be an end you know,
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  Speaker 3: at some point, you know, you know, you get everything
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  Speaker 3: goes your head, man, you know, big long, tall, rangy safety.
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  Speaker 3: He could still run pretty good. And a couple of
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  Speaker 3: my masks, somebodies laughed at me like that. Dude's was
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  Speaker 3: in the ground, you know. And I played inside then
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  Speaker 3: moved outside. But I was a outside backer, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we were an out front so but nickel situations, I
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  Speaker 3: would put my hand down stuff like that. But like
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  Speaker 3: really for me and him, it was just like the
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  Speaker 3: small things man. You know, I always, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: on the edge, man, Like I know you want to
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  Speaker 3: go run that play down. I'd love for you to
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  Speaker 3: go run that play down, but it's not your job,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You got you got to
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  Speaker 3: hold down to Ford on this edge because you get exposed.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's curtains. You know, in the inside there's
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  Speaker 3: a little room for error, you know, on the edge,
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  Speaker 3: you really can't. And then he just he always you know,
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  Speaker 3: I told coach mcgellano's, you know, you always hope that
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  Speaker 3: they're listening to.
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  Speaker 1: You, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And there was little techniques I would teach him that
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  Speaker 3: I got taught in college, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I always kind of feel like, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if kids in the seventh grade. You coach him like
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  Speaker 3: he's in the seventh grade. He's gonna play like he's
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  Speaker 3: in the seventh grade, you know. So I would throw
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  Speaker 3: a little stuff onto his plate that he's going to
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  Speaker 3: need down the road that like, hey, just put this
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  Speaker 3: in your back pocket, you know what I mean, and
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  Speaker 3: you'll have it for later, you know. But like, really,
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  Speaker 3: just for me, it was just like the experience of
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  Speaker 3: like the benefits of it, you know, learning accountability, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, learning how to progress in a team,
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  Speaker 3: where like, hey, this guy right here is more is
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  Speaker 3: just as important as me in everything we do. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that scout teamer, you know what I mean, giving us
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  Speaker 3: a good look every week. He might not play one
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  Speaker 3: down his whole varsity career, but his role is just
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  Speaker 3: as important as yours, you know what I mean, when
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  Speaker 3: you put all the gears in the machine. And I
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  Speaker 3: think a lot of it was more just the little
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  Speaker 3: ins and outs of football, you know, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being a game of inches, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: hold yourself accountable, being on time, you know. And then
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  Speaker 3: I said, other than that, you know, the physical part
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  Speaker 3: is like you just gotta love it and want it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, like you just got to
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  Speaker 3: want that action all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It was more you know, like we never really went
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  Speaker 3: to any trainers or anything like that. You know. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's not that I don't believe in those guys,
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  Speaker 3: because I know that they can really do certain things.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, how much can you really fit in
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  Speaker 3: in that thirty minute session? You know, like the physical
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  Speaker 3: part you can't really coach that, you know, but like
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  Speaker 3: all the details of you know, meetings and watching film
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  Speaker 3: you know, And that's like I would always tell me.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it's hard for me to.
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  Speaker 3: Watch football with a lot of people because I watch
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  Speaker 3: it like film study.
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  Speaker 1: It's just happened, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Like I always I'm always the guy walking down to
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  Speaker 3: the end zone because I want to see the end
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  Speaker 3: zone copy, you know what I mean. So I could
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  Speaker 3: see where everything's kind of fitting together. And but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he just he just kind of you know, except them
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  Speaker 3: guys at Mass and they were getting him ready, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean I knew I trusted them, and like every
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  Speaker 3: little thing, you know, see something on Friday night, I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I did notice this, Just hey, be careful, you know,
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  Speaker 3: getting greedy like that, you know, you made to play today,
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  Speaker 3: but if you don't make it next time, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it's bad news, and like he always
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  Speaker 1: you always wonder, man, is he listening? Is he listened?
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  Speaker 3: Because Kate so quiet, you know, I mean, like he's
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  Speaker 3: just very focused, very detail or in and just quiet, dude,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, a lot of fun. He's
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  Speaker 3: not like you know, he sits there in the corner,
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  Speaker 3: you know, sucking his thumb, but he uh, you always
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  Speaker 3: hope they're listening. And then as the years progress and
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  Speaker 3: I seen what he did, and then these coaches start
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  Speaker 3: putting more on his plate and he's just taking it
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  Speaker 3: and running with it. It's gratifying to know that, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the one thing I consider myself really good
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  Speaker 3: at that I could really give to him, he took
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  Speaker 3: it all in stride and and was listening all those years,
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  Speaker 3: not like what do you know, old man?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that's that's that's great because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you see the coaches, they start noticing stuff. You
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  Speaker 2: see the parents. You know, again, I'm at underten soccer,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, people have already been coming up to
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  Speaker 2: me in the past couple of years about my daughter
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  Speaker 2: and like you, she's a little different. So it makes
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  Speaker 2: you feel good. So you feel good that like you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you know how but that how hard do I push?
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds like, I mean, you guys had a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good understanding about that, so.
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  Speaker 3: That humility you know, to keep you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like like there's ways if you're a better player, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's things you can help this kid to become a
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  Speaker 3: better player. You know, don't just hog it all up,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, A lot of it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like effort, you know, excitement, that's that's all contagious, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care where you're at, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got four or five guys that
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  Speaker 3: are that are pushing everyone to the limit, you're in
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  Speaker 3: good shape normally, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But and that was the one thing that.
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  Speaker 3: He was always consistent with, Like it was always one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent all the time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I always I told coach Venables, I was like, he's
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  Speaker 3: a hand behind the line guy. He always has you know,
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  Speaker 3: not on the line, and like that is important, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean when you get into details of
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  Speaker 3: you know, assignments, you know, responsibility, everything like that. And
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  Speaker 3: like if I could say that I was most proud
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  Speaker 3: of anything on the football field, it was that because
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  Speaker 3: like when he left mass and you know, all the
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  Speaker 3: high a couple of times, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and then COVID hit and then the recruiting was just
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: kind of almost.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Like a crap shoot, you know.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: And then he got to Miami and you hear from
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: them like a couple of weeks in like hey man,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: you know, we'd like to slap a red shirt on
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: this kid, but he's just he's we can't we need him,
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He was like he picks
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: everything up quick, you know, and then you kind of
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: you don't want to pat yourself on the back, you
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, But you also know the work
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: has just begun, you know, and it was he's one
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: of those kids.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: But I never have to remind him of that.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you you transitioned well, so I know that
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: you We talked about that a little bit off screen.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Is that you know, you guys got to deal with
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the COVID year and we won't, mean God willing, we
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: won't have that situation happen again. But when did the
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: recruiting letters start kind of trickling in and uh, you
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: know four Kaden and what what did that? Did that
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: change your mentality as parents at all?
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd probably say the end of his junior year,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: you know, because at Massling had pretty good run, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: four state title games in a row. Unfortunately, yeah, well
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: three in a row, four out of five, you know,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: fortunately on the long end of that one all those years.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: But you know, the longer you play, the more eyes
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: are on you, you know, and at Maslin it's kind of
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those spots where guys are
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: going to be recruiting, they're going to show up at
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: some point. And he started getting hot with a lot
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: of one double A schools at the end of his
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: junior year. But he was still pretty you know what
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I mean. He was listed at two ten, but he
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't too ten. Yeah, I mean he was probably six
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: y two two hundred, you know, playing at that kind
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: of that hybrid outside backer hand down sometimes hand and
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: then you know, play against Akron Hobin and then Cincinnati
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: was sal you know what I mean, Like he was
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: getting battle tested and uh, like the Hobing game, his
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: junior year, you know what I mean, Like I was like, yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: he's for real, because I mean he's in there fighting
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: like a dog, you know what I mean. And we
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: snuck him in the in the semi finals, and then
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: kind of everything start heating up. You know, he got
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: all Ohio, you know, I mean, set some records at
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Maslin and it was all the one double A school,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: A couple of MAX schools start sniffing, like you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Akron was in there quick, you know what I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: which Akron kind of has to do that. They better
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: do that, you know, I mean if they ever want
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: to really get back get to where they want to be.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: But and then it was just kind of snowball from there,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Mean, that junior year going into you know what I mean,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: January February, and all of a sudden, March hits and
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: then then COVID shows up, so everything kind of kind
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of petered out, you know, and like Maslin, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: they go three or four camps every year, Kentucky, West Virginia.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: You know, well that's over with.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: So meanwhile, Hayden grows three inches and gains thirty five
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: during COVID, so he's six to two hundred and two
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: h five maybe end of his junior year. Well now
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: he's six ' five, you know, six ' four or
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: whatever some change, you know, to forty two thirty five.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So you know, you know how the recruiting goes.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: You walk into pitt camp with that size and the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: what he had done his junior year. You're getting an
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: offer now until it's official on paper and offers just
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: an offer, you know, they call him camp offers whatever
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like that. But kind of with the recruiting as it started,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: COVID made everything weird. But for me, like my mom,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: my parents were split up. My mom was you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I always tell people famously, my mom told every coach
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: that recruited me, just don't let him die.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean other than that, you know, I mean,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: can you get a degree? Is you know, go and
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: get a scholarship. Don't let him die? You know, that
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: was her thing, you know what I mean? She was
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: not interested, you know what I mean. I don't know
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: if she had like the snake oil salesman vibe or whatever.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: So I guess, relatively speak, I kind of you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: handled my own recruitment. Now, I wasn't you know, they
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: weren't beating down my door, you know what I mean.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: It was mostly Max schools, you know what I mean.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: But for me, you know, I wanted to go play
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: for free, you know. And then once everything started heating
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: up with him, like, you know, kind of to me
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that should be your baseline is can my son go
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: play for free? You know, I mean, erase the name
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: off the scoreboard, you know, the jersey and all that
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: and all this, you know, because you know, financially I
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: would you know, guess most people can't just write that check,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: you know. And so once we started getting to that point,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, hey, young sound state full right offer,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. We're in there, so now
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you kind of all right, let's pour a little gas
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: on this fire, and let's see if we can climb
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: up a little bit, climb up a little bit. And then,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: you know, once the it was pretty much all the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Max schools, you know, Boston College kind of sniffed aroun
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: for a little bit, a couple of schools.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Like that, you know what I mean.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But throughout all that, which is like kind of ironic,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: is uh Is started the COVID. He played basketball that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: year and you know, limited visitors, this and that, And
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I kept seeing coach Whitlow, who was the he's the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: line coach at Wisconsin out but I kept seeing him
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: at these basketball games.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this dude? And how's he getting
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: in here? You know what I mean.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even bring both of my kids with me,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: who and I don't know whose buttons he pushed or
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: what calls he made, you know what I mean. But
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I kept seeing him and kept seeing him, and then
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the one day Coach Moore came up to me and
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: he was like, hey, he's like, that's the guy from Miami.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: He was like it was like his fifth basketball game
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: he's came to. So then I'm kind of like, okay,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: you know what i mean, Like obviously this guy, you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: got his eye on Caden pretty solid and Miami great school,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you can't really discount that,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: you know, being a bowling green guy. We're kind of
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: like a yeah, whatever, but you know it ain't you
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You know that it's about
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: his future, you know, securing a chance for him to
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: do stuff.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: And like iuessai, it kind of got to that point.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Where we were getting later into recruiting Northwestern. It kind
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of started calling a little bit, you know what I mean,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and uh, coach Moore, we went in, we spoke to him,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: and he called us and was like, hey, let's talk
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: about recruiting because of COVID and everything's crazy and it's
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: that and it's getting down to the wire that second
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: signing date, and.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Uh, he came.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: We went in and we talked to him, and you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: he obviously knew everyone that was, you know, hot on
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the trail, and you know, I told him, I mean,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: obviously the Boston College, you know, Power five schools intriguing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: You know, it was like, but it seems like they
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: got cold feet. And then he was like, yeah, he goes,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna pull the trigger. He goes,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, he goes. So we're kind of like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: all right, So well, we got a good list, you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: to work from, you know, and he was like, he said,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: so if I were you, I'd like kind of break
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: it down to five, you know what I mean, and
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: then within the next week ten days decide. And then
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: he looked at a kid and he said, you had
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to pick today. Where would you go. And he said
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I would go to Miami. And then I think in
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Coach Moore's mind it went to, hey, I've seen that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: guy up here recruiting, watching basketball games, this and that
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and the other. They're great school. He goes well from
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the schools I know of. If I were you, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: would make the call.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And he's like, what do you think that. I was like,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, hands down, it's the best school,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you know. I was like, the COVID year was crazy
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: for everyone, so you know, who knows. I was like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: but they had a MAC championship within the last couple
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: of years, you know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, this is your
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: horse to arrive. Man. I was like, I can't, you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Strangely enough, Bowling Green never offered him, which, yeah, I
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe I left Fairwell a little bad taste,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: worse taste in people's mouth than I thought. But I
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: always told myself, I don't want to make that choice
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: for him, because what was good for me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it'll be good for him, you know.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: And and he told Coach Moore, he said, I think
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I will go to Miami.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: He's like, I like coach Whitlow, He's always keeping up
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: on me, and so he was like, well, he goes,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: if I were you, I'll make the call. And it
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: was I think, uh it was right around New Year's Eve,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: like December thirtieth. He goes, Dad, I'm gonna pull the trigger.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Miami, and I was like, let's
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: go Red Hawks, you know, and uh got to that
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: point and then you know, then that train started going
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: downhill again, you know what I mean. But the recruiting
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: was strange. It was like Kayden, he didn't really talk
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a lot about it because there was only so much
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: of those guys could do, you know. You know, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: did even the Chuck Martin and that was the first
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: time I ever seen a man in my life, you
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: know which you know, I did my homework, you know
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: what I mean. I knew that I wasn't just dropping
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: him off, you know what I mean with some rum
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: dumb So it was kind of it was it was strange,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But you know, Cayden's pretty focused,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like I couldn't be proud of
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the way he handled it for like, really us not
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: having to be a part of it so much.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Definitely the Miami you know, spans for just a few years,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and you know, obviously Cayden you go to you go
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: from the elite from high school to college. It's it
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: is a massive, massive leap and not every player is
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: going to be ready from the get go. Did you
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: see something, you know, when was it that you saw
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: him at Miami that you're like, oh, like, we need
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to show these other schools like Boston College that they
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: missed out because I mean, this kid's fire.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably end of his freshman year. His freshman year,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: they were Ben Kimpler was the one senior end and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Cam Butler was the other one. Then Dom Robinson who
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: plays for the Bears now, he went to Camp McKinley.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: He subbed in with Ronnie Phelps who was at Kansas
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: for a year. So we're getting through and I'm like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: all right, hey, going to new sophomore year. He got
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a letter he's going on special teams. I was like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: he's trending the right way. They ran a pretty solid
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: rotation anyway, and well then Cam transfers out, Line transfers out.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The two seniors are gone.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: So Cayden kind of went from hey, the new guy
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: just trying to learn the ropes to the old man
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: in the room because he was the only one with
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: like any actual game experience. So it was like kind
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: of once again, you know what I mean, you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: well out of the grease into the frying pan right away.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And I told him, I say, hey, I was like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the show's yours now, you know what I mean. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: was like, I said, like, you become the old man
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: in the room now. All these other guys are new.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: A couple of transfers came in, you know, and he
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: was ready, you know what I mean. Like he started
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: all year that, you know what I mean, going into
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: his sophomore year and just kind of as we're going long,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he just keeps doing more
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: things that you just kind of look at, like, man,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you know, it's and it's it's always tough when it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: your kid, you know, but like I'm watching it, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and a bunch of my buddies, you know, people here
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: at football Junkies, you know.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Oh man, he reminds me of Sam Hubbard so much.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Man, It's like there's time when I see much of it,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and then you start making those comparisons yourself,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: and you're like, man, you know, I mean.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: There is a lot that this kid's got to offer,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: And then it's like the size was all coming together
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and the attention to detail was still there, and then
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: it was just like getting that physicality a little bit
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that edge, which if you don't figure it out on
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the field on Saturdays, you're never gonna figure it out.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: So he started getting moving doing that, you know, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: mean against Cincinnati, you know, I mean, got a sack,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: got to the guy a couple of times, I mean,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: put him on his head, So you know, I mean
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that kind of gets you excited, like man, you know what,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the sky's the limit, you know, for this kid. And
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: then you know, I always told people, you know, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: mean like I was a good Mac player. It was
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: perfect for me. Cayden was never a Mac player. I mean,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: that's where he was at, you know. But but you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: like I said, the God's plan is God's plan, you know.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: And and he took the long way, you know what
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I mean. But the way everything shook out, you know
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: what I mean, he improved from his junior or a
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: sophomore to his junior year, you know what I mean,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: doubled his sacks, you know what I mean. They did
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: more with him, moved him inside, played him outside, you know, stunting, looping,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: like they just kept putting stuff on his plate, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: he just kept eating it up and asking for more,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you know, and he uh, it was just kind of
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that point to where you're looking back, like you said, like, yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: you know, Boston College here, how you like that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And and then the team down the road in Columbus,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, You're like, you know, I mean, Okay,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: well fine, you know, it doesn't matter. He'll just keep
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: proving everyone wrong, you know. But he was he was
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: super comfortable at Miami. You know, those guys had some
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: good coaches, and like I said, they put it on
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: his plate and they knew he could handle it, you know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: And I'm grateful to them for that because you know
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: that they didn't get complacent with what he was doing.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean I was, I was over here looking
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: at stats from last year and forty one tackles, nineteen solo,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: twenty two assists, nine and a half sacks, two forced fumbles.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that you probably have one or two
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: things where You're like, he should have got a half
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the sack right there, you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Know, but yeah, yeah, the Buffalo game, I think he
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: had a full one and they shorted him.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But that's all right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: But his partner got there, but his partner on the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: other side got there with him, like same kind of
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: almost the same time. So I mean, hey, they all
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: got to eat, you know what I mean, we all
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: eat from the same plate on hundred percent.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So recruiting at the beginning of COVID and the beginning
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: of Cayden obviously with nil, with transferm sports like these
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: things absolutely just shifted everywhere. So now you're in the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: middle of the junior season, when was it like, all right, listen,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we appreciate and we love Miami Ohio that you've mentioned
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: it multiple times. They took care of your boy, So
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: now transfer portal becomes an option. What were you looking at,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you know, as far as you and Cayden, like, did
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you have a program like a blue blood in Oklahoma
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: in mind right away or was that something that when
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that when those communications started, you're like, holy hell, like
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: what's going on here?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of Hayden mentioned it to me his junior year.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: It was actually on his birthday. I called him Man's birthday.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: We're talking. I mean, it was beginning of November, and obviously,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you know with the NIL picking up, you know, people
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: don't just sit on their hands. I mean they hire
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: these companies to send out all these math emails and.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that. And uh, he started asking me.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: It was like, Dad, maybe you know he goes out
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: because you know when the portal when he went to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Miami it was during COVID and yeah, what was me?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I was like, but you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: know that transfer portal. I was like, we're not playing
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that game all Dad. They were mean to me, I'm
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: going out of here, you know what I mean? I said,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: because if you do that, you leave, It's a done
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: deal then, you know what I mean.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, So I was like, put your head down,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: get to work, you know what I mean. I said,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: But I don't foresee you having any problems like that,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you know. So then fast forward to NIL. He mentioned
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: it to me and I was like, all right, so
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: what are your goals?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: And then he was like he was like well. I
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: was like, I said, okay, what about this season? He goes, well,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna finish the season, you know what I mean.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: He said, I'm gonna play it out, you know what
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: i mean. Want to win a MAC championship, you know
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: what I mean, go win the bowl game. And that
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: was kind of really at first. That was my only thing,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: was like, finish the job, you know what I mean.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Your brothers ain't leaving, you know, you ride it out
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to you with them, and then you know, I mean,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I think he was almost looking for our blessing if
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: he wanted to do that. And you know, at that point,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you know, you're a grown man. You know obviously you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: know the money. And that's what he said. He's like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the one guy like he's like, you're probably
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: leaving a lot of money on the table, this and that,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: and and then he said, I know it's not all
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: about money all the time.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It was like I said, well, you know that where
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: there was a time when that was the case. I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: was like, but now you know what I mean with
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the money that these schools are able to give you,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I said, to not take advantage
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: of it would be foolish. And I was like, I said,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: but more than that, if part of your reason to
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: hit the portal is is you want to level up,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I still got something to prove,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: because he ain't got nothing to prove to me, you
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, you know, once that level
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of pride kind of I guess you say, it topped out,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, there's just it's just
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: adding to it, you know, I mean, keeping the chamber full.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: And he was like, without saying it, you know what
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I could tell that was a big part
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: of it, you know. And then so we play the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: bowl game, we get back and one of my best
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: friends from high school, son Vinnie Scurry, he's at Texas Tech.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: He left Toledo. He had already been in you know
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: what I mean. So I had a buddy who's his
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: kids into frying pan already pretty much, and he's calling
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: me like, hey, this is what they said to the
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: vin man here, this is what So that was, you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: reassuring to know someone that was in there, because, like
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I said, without having gone through to recruiting the first time,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you know, and I was like kind of you know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: So then when I called him, I said, all right,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Kaden's hitting the portal tomorrow. And then you know, he
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was excited, you know what I mean. Vinnie was at
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Toledo and they played youth football together. They had been
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: keeping in contact the whole time, unbeknownst to me. Yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I mean it was like, I mean, hey, it's all good.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that he kept up with those cats that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you grew up with and played with.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But then so we kind of he was like, get
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: down and do I was like, all right, I said,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: have you talked to coach Martin, you know? And then
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, I'm gonna call him. I'm ana
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: co coach Brown or his d line coach. I was like, well,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, you got decide. I mean,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: are you going in and all bats are off you're
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: not going back to Miami? Or if you don't really
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: get a good feeling, do you want to go back
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to Miami?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And he said, you know the ladder.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I said, well, you got co coach Martin, see if
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: you can get his blessing. If they coach I'm gonna
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: dip my toes in the water. If it's nothing that
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I feel comfortable with, I'm coming back you know, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Coach Martin all them guys, you know, we're like, absolutely,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: we'd take you back in a heartbeat, you know. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I mean they did everything they could to keep us there,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you know, but at that point, you know what I mean,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: he had kind of made up his mind and he
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: jumps in and all right, a couple hours go by,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: and then it was just like someone opened the door
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and was like, oh, we didn't know he was here,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you know. And it was Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, and a
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: couple of those guys had guys from the Miami staff
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that had moved on to those schools, so I kind
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of knew some of those were coming. But but then
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: it just kept going, you know, Mississippi State, Surrey, you know.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And then later that night he comes up the stairs
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and I always say he looked like a cat with
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: a burden in his mouth. He has his grin on
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: his face, and I thought he's talking to some girl
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: down there, maybe, you know what I mean, one that
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: almost got away. And he was like, Dad, I don't know, man,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I really liked this d N coach at Oklahoma. I'm like, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Shoot,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I like him too. Yeah, I mean I was like
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: and then you know, I mean, Oklahoma, you know what
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I mean. I'm a football junkie. You know what I mean,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I know the least you know. And I'm thinking in
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: my head, I was a Bosworth and nerd, you know
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: what i mean. Back in the day, were number forty four?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Did you have the haircut? Did you have the haircut?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Jack? It was more of a fouxhawk.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Your dad wasn't here full mohawk, but but it was.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: It was back then, go both ways. It was Tom
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Rathman on offense, and it was Bob Worth on defense.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean both of them. Was just mead
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: head that'll smack you in the mouth, and that was Coy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But I'm like, all right, Oklahoma. And he was like, yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: he's gonna Miguel's gonna FaceTime us tomorrow. I'm like, all right,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: good now. This was the first, you know, ten twelve,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: fourteen schools. This was the first guy that like got
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: him on the on FaceTime and got at him, you know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And he said, Dad, he had a whole notebook page,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, with notes And this day
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: he goes I think he watched every game I started.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And I was like, good you.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean, like me, you know, the old
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: football coach and this and that. Like now I'm like,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: oh man, this dude has got his stuff together. I
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, I was excited for this FaceTime,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you know. And then we get on FaceTime with Miguel
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and just that energy like it comes through the screen atch,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: you know, and like he's talking about things.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That like like to a football guy like me.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: He's saying stuff like, hey, I know at Miami that
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you had to do this, this and this and this,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: and I can see it in the film because of this.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And then I'm like, all right, you know, right he
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: was on the strong side, you know what I mean,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: getting chipped it. And he was like, but there's a
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: lot of things that we would like to do with
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: you here that you may not have got a chance
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: to do there, and that we think can push you
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: over the limit, you know. And like I said, he
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: holds up a piece of paper with all these notes
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and everything like that, and and like I was somebody
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: instantly struck with Mama, you know. I think it was
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: just that infectious energy, and you know, and then he's
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: not like he's not trying to sell us Oklahoma. You know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: he's selling us like how they want to develop him,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: and you know how coach venables and the sole mission
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and stuff.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I mean they institute some of these things of just
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: being a good man, you know, and like obviously, you
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: know that's a huge part of everything, you know. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: like I said that Trump's football all the time, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. And like I said, mom was
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: excited about it, and she's like, I don't know what
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: it is about him.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: She goes, it's just like it's like he's a kid,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you know. And I was like yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And then that detail, you know, being detail oriented like that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And then the one thing he said, he was like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: when can we set up a visit? And he's like, well,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: let me talk to my mom and my dad. You know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: obviously we're all sitting there together. He goes, and we'll
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: try to hang out in details. He goes, Wow, I mean,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: let's get it together. Call me tomorrow, let me know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: He goes, I want to get you first, Boone Fell.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: He's like, I want to get you first because I'm
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: not letting you leave.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Obviously, as a dad, you're like, all right, these guys,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: you know, are serious about my kid. You know, it
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: was beyond a pitch at that time, you know, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: then kind of was just so like we got everything
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: set up, you know what I mean, he continued, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: was like, well, hey, now you know, I mean, you've
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: still got to handle business with this, you know what
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, and start setting up the other visits and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: everything like that. And you know, obviously we never left Norman,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we made it, didn't even make it to dinner,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you know, but it was you know, it was, like
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I said, a lot of the stuff, you know, we
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: didn't meet BV until we got there, you know, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: like like Miguel, you know, and then when we got
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: there with the Soul Mission meeting and everything like that,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: you know, and we had all told him like, hey,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: where are you going to do? Whatever you decide, you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I mean that that we're behind you, you know, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: it was just for us, for me, and like I said,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I can't really speak for Cayden, you know, like if
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I had to guess, I think Miguel was really the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: one thing, you know what I mean that that just
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: something about Miguel and Caden clicked so quickly that that
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I think it would have been hard.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: For anyone to pry him out of Norman. You know.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: But like I said, you know, knowing the history of
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma and this and that, it was like Coach Venables,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Coach Bait the Man, handy Bake, Coach Baits Yep, every
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: time that seals the deal. And just like talking football
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: with them and them talking about like life goals for
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: these kids, you know, like it was kind of one
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: of those things like they knew they didn't have to
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: pitch Oklahoma to me. Let's sell them on on why
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: we're different than everyone else, you know what I mean,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: why what we're building here is going to be different
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: than everywhere else. And you know it's you push football aside,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and that's the end of the road. It's like, hey,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: when he walks out of here, is he going to
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: be better than when he walked in there? Kind of
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: like what I said, you know when I was coaching,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: you know, I want you to be better the last
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: day than the first day. And it was overwhelming at
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma how we both felt when we went out of there,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you know, at breakfast with Coach Bates and Coach Brewer
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and I mean you're sitting there at breakfast, it's like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you're sitting at the table with a bunch of your
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: old buddies, you know, Coach Lossman, it was like, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: I've known these dudes twenty years.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't them talking over each other to hey,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: well what about this part you know about Oklahoma. You know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it was it was all about, you know, hey, let's
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: we know he's a good player, or we wouldn't be
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: sitting here together, you know what I mean.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And we know he's from a good family. We want
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: him to be a good man, you know, I mean,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a good leader, a good mentor you know. And that
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: for me, like people think it's cliche, you know, Miami,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: you know, has got to love and honor, you know
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And that's kind of like what you
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: know it you just kind of sit there and think
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: about it, you know, in that Soul mission, it's not
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: just the trip, you know what I mean, It's not
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: just the two weeks in Africa.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It's every day.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: You know, and knowing that they kind of want to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: hold these kids to that standard, and that's part of
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the standard, you know what I mean, and we defend
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: the standard. You know, Like that part is like to me,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: one of those things that I think is probably missing
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: from a lot of college athletics, you know, because of
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: all the money that's being thrown around. But I mean,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: it was just like I said, it was kind of
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: a blessing in disguise, you know. I mean, he took
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the long road, you know what I mean. But you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: like I told him, I was like, I said, hey, man,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm proud that you went for it,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You know you could have
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm not slander in any other program, you know
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: what I mean, but you could have went the easy route.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to this spot where I know I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: going to play. I know i'm gonna start. I'll be
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the best player out there. Like I was like, no,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you went, let's go with the big dogs, you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, there's a pretty short list, you.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: So I mean, like it's it's overwhelming a lot of times,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: you know, as a dad, as an ex player, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like what you always wish for, you
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: But there's still days where I wake up like, dang man,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: he's a sooner, you know what I mean. And the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: sec you know what I mean, all.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: My buddies, that's all, you know, all they talk about,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's the closest game he's got here, let's
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It was like, you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it's like that ground, the wave, you know what I mean,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: was picking up back here too, and like you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: our our town's nuts about it, you know what I mean,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And like everyone in the city is a Sooner fan now,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: you know. And like I said, you know, I think, well,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I think single handedly, Cayden kind of
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: washed away the Baker planting the flag and the oh
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Kayden was salty that day, man, he was. He was
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: mad at But I think now they kind of now
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: we got him.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Back on track, like all right, bake, you know his
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Cleveland time, you know what I mean, which you know
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: that's a whole nother story. But hopefully, you know what
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's kind of gonna bring that, you know
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: what I mean, that that that Sooner you know, mystique
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit back here, you know what I mean,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And hopefully we can get a little pipeline.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Where every now and again, you know what I mean.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Coach v sneaks down to start county, snatch a couple
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: of guys, you know what I mean, head back to normal.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Definitely the best, the best players. Well, so you heard
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the Soul Mission, which again it's it's a separation, it's real.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: So talk about that because promises. I mean, listen, when
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: you're buying a house, when you're dating, when your job interviewing, like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you're kind of like showing the best of you most
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: of the time. And so same thing with recruiting. As
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: these coaches, I mean, they got to show the best
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of them. My grandfather always said, if you always tell
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the truth, you don't have to remember what you said
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: because you're just speaking from your heart. You're speaking the truth.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So have you seen that play out? Have you seen
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: those pieces of the Soul Mission and what they talked
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: about developing Caden as a better man, better man of God? Like,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: have you seen those things play out so far?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Like one hundred percent too. When we talked about it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: You know, they're picking their destinations, you know, and I
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: was it was kind of I was like, I was like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I would go South Africa or Rio,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was like, I said,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: You're gonna make it to Hawaii sometime again.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Brother.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, your dad ain't never made there. I
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: was like, I got no worries. I know you'll be
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: there at some point. And I think when he got
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: back and we talked about a little bit.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, he got the sneak homb
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I think it was just, you know, Caden's always been humble, compassionate,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: You know, he never walked around.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, with with any attitude like, oh yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I'm a big super football player, I'm better than you.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: He always took time out, you know, to to hang
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: with kids, to hang with because Samana's got a huge
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: family and they're all pretty local, you know what I mean.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: And I've always I always grew up with, you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I was always a guy that you know, remember the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: one dad that would always go out there and throw
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: a football at the cookout for half an hour and
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: his arms falling off. And I always like, I want
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to be that guy when I grew up, you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I had a principal that was the same
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: way in elementary school and then as I got like
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Kayden was always that guy, you know. I mean, he's
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: taking the kids out, having a younger brother, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: he'll go out and play with all of them for
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think when he went down
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: there to South Africa and they did some stuff with
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the soccer fields and everything like that, and uh, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: think just him going there and seeing you know, people
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that you know, it's not a pity party, you know
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like they don't got nothing and they're
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: happy with that, you know, And to to take that
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: part of it of understanding of how many blessings you
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: really do have.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you know, everybody's got problems.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, But like you know, when
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: you when you kind of you know, tip the scales
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: with your problems versus your blessings, you know what I mean.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I think it really hammered it home to him about that,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think that like
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: as far as I mean, it's kind of hard with
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: him man like except you know, kingdingsas he's always been
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: one of those kids.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it gets up makes bed, you know what
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: You really don't got to worry about his grades. He's
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: going to put it into work to be good at
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: whatever or he does, you know what I mean.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: But I think and get the sense.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: That just that that gratitude that you can show no
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: matter what, you know, I mean, be at the top
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: of the mountain, you can be at the bottom, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: just starting to climb, you know what I mean, but appreciate,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like there's some people that never make it
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: to the mountain, you know, and I guess there would
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: be like a lot of that, you know what I mean.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I think he really took from that trip. You know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: he had the story, pulled out a piece of gum
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: and he was like, Dad, I didn't even think about it,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And the next thing, you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: there's a dozen of these kids. They're like on me
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: like a hawk. He goes, and I didn't have enough gum,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: and and you know, Mom had told him, he's like
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: take a bag of blowpops or some hard candy or
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: something like that, and like I think he said that
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: next day he ended up grabbing something. Then he passed
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: it out to a few kids, you know what I mean,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: And like just even that to know that, like you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I go bring these kids some candy, you
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. This could make their day. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: could be a person that they always remember, you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: they call me, hey, you remember the candy man. You know,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: twenty years on the road. They could be sitting in
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: a barber shop, you know. I think that's from him
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: on that story, and that was like his favorite story
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: of the whole thing. I think like just that part
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: of it really amplifies the you know, how how minimal
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: you can really be to affect someone's life in a
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: good way.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I remember, and I grew up
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty, pretty poor, and we went on a mission
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: trip down in Mexico and I went and bought a coke,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: you know, while we were building houses, and I had
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the same experience, and it was just something that I mean,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I still remember. I mean we're sitting there talking about
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: it right now obviously. So things like that, I mean,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that's a big thing. Is like the Soul Mission when
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: when that was implemented, when BB showed up, like that
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: was something that you know, it's it may not strike
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: an absolute chord with every single family, but you know
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: that like they're not just going to use your kid.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: The development of that man, bringing that person into a
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: positive member of society, like that literally is what this
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: program is. And you as a father, me as a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: fan and a content guy, like, I'm proud of this
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: university and I'm proud of the things that they do
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and the guys and the culture that's being So when
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: when when we get chippy about our sooners and you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: you and I exchange on Twitter quite a bit, but
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: when you get chippy about it's because we literally are
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: so proud of what this what this is, and it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: just great to be at part.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah and and two like just like with you said,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: with that part of it, you know, like.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I would find it hard for as a young adult
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: some to go to something like that and just be
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: going through the motions, you know, but at some point
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be a part of that trip that is
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: gonna you know, grab your heart strengths and you know
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And that's the idea, you know, I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: that's the goal. And I agree with you one hundred percent,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I've seen guys on
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I just button my lip, you know what I mean,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: because because I do got a son there, Yeah, I mean,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I can't let him get burd from someone that's like you.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Know, like they mock the Soul Mission, you know, like
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like you know what I mean?
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Like like like that is what makes that opportunity at
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma to me that much more appealing. And I can't
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: speak for Texas A and M you know what I mean,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I can't speak for Missouri on what they you know
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: what I mean, want their kids to be a part
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: of you know, I remember Bowling Green. We went to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: the hospital and helped out with stuff, you know, I
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: mean here and there when I was a captain, you know.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: But but to make it required of all these kids, Hey,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna be here, you're gonna give.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Something back, you know what I mean. You know.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you can force them to go to local
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: parks and pick up trash and this and that and
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: the other end.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's also meaningful.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: But that the people part of it, you know what
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, figuring you know, pulling that that core like
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: of like we're all in this together one way or another,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: you know, to be able to pull that out of
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: those young men, you know, and who knows, you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: those guys get it there end up you know, being
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: a mentor Moving down to South Africa moved, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: and you never know what could happen, you know, but
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: when you put them in that different arena of just
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: being a good person and being a good man and
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: caring about, you know, your fellow man.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I was like that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: That is like one of those things that you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: that's why you go to church every Sunday and when
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: you're growing up, you know what I mean, that's why
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: you know, your folks always teach you to share, you
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, because you know, when you can
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: make it bigger than you, then, to me, that's winning,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Who cares about stacks and
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: wins and losses and this and that and the other.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: You know, I walked out of here better than when
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I walked in. And I think that Coach Venables, Miguel,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Coach Bates's like like they don't just say it, you
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, to get you into the building
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: like they mean it. You know, sometimes I text Miguel
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: and and them just out of nowhere, you know what
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I'll hit him with a boomer sooner, you know what
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: And like when Toby Keith died, you know, obviously I
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: never met the man, you know what I mean, but
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I knew coach Vnables and them had had become close
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: with him. I remember texting, you know, you know, giving
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: him my condolences because I know he was a friend,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and texted back five ten
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: minutes later, you know what I mean, Hey, appreciate you,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: mister Willard. You know I mean like that, like that's
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: the kind of people they are, like you know that,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: just look at your phone on another dad, you know
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: what I mean, it was and like like for me,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: like that's that that connection that they want to make,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: that that will take the program far beyond what all
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: the naysayers want to say, you know what I mean.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And but that's to be you know, another day.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: So let's talk. Let's talk football, because most people watching this,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: they're like that whole mission. Yeah, so it's real, like
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: we good, that's that's great. We know that you said
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: you were a big boss guy and you were a
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: big you're a big football guy. Let's be honest, Like,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: defense hasn't been the standard at Oklahoma. I mean up
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: until probably a lot of you know, Venables return. You know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: so when when you're looking back and you know that
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: this staff what they're doing, and they're walking into the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: SEC with a defensive mindset, Like do you it was
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma uh, you know, Coach Riley and that's you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: where you're just pipe flying offense and let's outscore everybody.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Like if that would there be a you know, a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: hindrance between that Oklahoma and the Brent Vnables Oklahoma. For you,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: as a parent of a defender.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I think maybe, you know what I mean, it might
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: affect a little bit, you know what I mean. And
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I think part of it too, is because like you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: obviously I can't speak for when Lincoln was here, but
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: you know, like when when we talked to Miguel and
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Coach Bates and everything like that, like the development they
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: even to to Schmidty, you know, I mean he said
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: to us when we're meeting with him in the weight room,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: the kids six four forty five, I haven't even touched
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: him yet, you know, And I'm kind of like, okay,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like all right, you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: but like I think that yeah, for me, you know,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: playing defense my whole life, you know what I mean,
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Like you obviously kind of want them to be in
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a spot where where it's gonna be in your wheelhouse,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and then to go with you know, a
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: guy like coach Venables, you know what I mean, Like
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the history speaks for itself, you know what I mean.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Clemson ain't Clemson if Coach b He's not there, you
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: know I mean. And now not that he was the
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: end all be all, but with the things he did
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: with what he had, you know what I mean, like
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: they were a force, you know, and back to the
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: years with Stoops, you know what I mean, and like
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: to get him in a spot like that where you know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: during this whole thing, you kind of look at him,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: especially with Miguel, you know, like like the lot of
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: kids just at Miami Ohio, you know that, but like
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I could tell that he had seen things in him
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: that like they look at it just like kind of
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Schmidty said, like this kid's doing all this, wait till
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: we put our hands on it, and wait till we
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: can teaching these things. How we do different stuff, you
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? As for for like me, I mean,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: it was a home run, you know what I mean,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Like you know, Coach Vannables that we just start talking
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: defense real quick when we met in you know, Like
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I could tell he's getting fired up just
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: talking about it, you know, and like it. It's just
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: kind of that thing like, man, you know, the size
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: is there, you know, everything like that. And every kid,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: if you played college ball, you play what if your
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: goal is not to get to the league, then you're
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: probably not really in it, you know what I mean.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: And I know that's one of Kayten's goals. He knows that.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: It's you know, I mean, we you got you better
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: know the odds are stacked against you.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, but to get in a spot what
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Schmid he said, and like coach Bates and all them said,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: we want to get the most out of him for
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: him to have that opportunity to get to the league.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: And he gets a good degree and he goes to
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: be a part of sole Mission and this and that,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and then you go back and then you know, I
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: started doing my homework. I'm looking at the roster and
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: you're kind of like, all right, this could be something.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: You know now you're you got just with the depth
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: coming back. You know, his team last year at Miami,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: nine starters were tuner, you know what I mean? Is
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: it a miracle? That they made it to the MAC
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Championship Game and won it. No, you know what I mean,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: they had a ton of experience back and when you
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: got all those guys back that understand what they have
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: to do, and even for a kid like Cayden to
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: come in and you know, like what you're going to
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: do with Oklahoma's going to be different than what you
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: did at Miami. I mean, because even what your teammates
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: are gonna you know what I mean, hold you accountable
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: for you know, like like I've reached out to Ethan's dad,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: like you know, I mean, I don't want to sound
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: like but I'm like, hey, if you talk to ethanis
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, make them guys, make him work, you know
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: what I mean. You know it's like like you, no,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: don't just stay like you put the screws to him,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like he's got he got,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to fall in line, you got
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: you know, and you gotta earn it, you know, and
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like they he never we never approach it, you know
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like like we're gonna walk in there,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, everybody's going kind of hey, here,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: mister Tens, that guy, you know, what I mean, like
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: like you gotta start earning it day one in the
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: weight room, you know what I mean, in the meetings
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: and you know, and and like he understood that, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: we understood that, and that's kind of always like a
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: challenge that like that's how you want it to be,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, if you're really in it
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: for the right reasons, you know. And uh, but for
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: me like going with like talking to Miguel, you know
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: what I mean, and he's like, we're gonna put him
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: in a he's going to be in a seven. He's
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: going to be in a nine. He's like, I might
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: throw him out there. And an eleven. I'm like eleven.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I was like change some stuff since the nineties. Man,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: you know, we're three yards in a cloud of dust.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: There wasn't no eleven techniques. That's called a nickelback for us.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Like the football part for me, like I said, it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: a dream come true. You know, there's a short list
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: of guys that you could really want, you know, the
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: guy to go play defense for, you know what I mean,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Kirk Farren, you know guys like that, you know what
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I mean. And and like to be with coach Venables,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: and then to know Miguel's story where he came through
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: with Clemson and coach ally. You know, it's it's like
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Brent has put together a lot of people that he knows,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: he's comfortable with, and he knows that they're going to
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: do it a certain way. And then because you know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: head coaches, you know, like I said, you've got a
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: lot of managing to do, you know, but like to
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: be a part of that, and everybody knows they can score.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: But like you know, Miguel pumping up the numbers of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: you know, tackles for lost we were here, we were
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: here with this and that, and like to me, you know,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, we're gonna boost all that stuff up,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Don't you worry about that?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know my kid's gonna do his part
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: to help wherever he's got to help. But you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I think for him to have some chances to really
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: do some stuff that he didn't get a chance to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: do at Miami just because of the scheme and everything
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: like that, Like that's what I'm most excited about, you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like earned your time, man, And
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean they did a rotation at Miami.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I said, it's not gonna
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: really it was like, but you know, the more the brrier,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, good luck blocking them
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: four or five six guys. I mean, I wish you
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the best because you might block Hayden, you might block Ethan,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: you might block our Mason, but that there, you can
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: be able to block PJ, you know what I mean.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Or you're gonna be able to block Ethan and Caden
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: out there, or Caden and PJ or R Mason and Pete,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Like good luck, you know what I mean with a
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: big man in the middle, you know, Dominic and d
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Terry and Stunts, like there's just two much experience that
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: if they could just figure it out, and who better
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: than coach v you know, Like I mean, you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: you don't ever want to just start throwing stuff out there,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: but like people like oh man, they could be top toy,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: like top twenty defense. Like I'm that's the bottom end
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: for as far as what I think they can do,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, but you know that everything on
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: paper don't matter until Saturday afternoons. But like and I
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: could tell like Caden just a little bit we talk
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: about like he he knows and they know, and like
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: everyone knows. Is that like like everyone's talking us about them,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: like everyone's like okay, you know, and like you try
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to tell them ignore that noise. But you know, if
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: that could be a little jet fuel, you know, I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: sometimes that's good. And like I from my you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: study and watching and stuff like that, Like I know
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Danny Stussman is gonna take that personal. I know Ethan
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: to take it personal. Billy Bowman, Like okay, you're gonna
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: find out, you know what I mean, And like I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: know Caden is built that same way, you know what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like all right, you guys are all thinking
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna show up and do this and that,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Because fine, you know what
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, We'll see you on Saturday, you know, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: like that lunch. Yeah, that and that's you know, that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: was like part of the thing with back here, you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. Everybody back here Dad's worked in
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the steel mills and this and that.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like and everyone I've met out there, it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: seems like they're all, you know, guys out in the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: oil fields.
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  Speaker 1: And this and that.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, we're gonna show up, we're gonna put our
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: eight hours in, and we're gonna make you miserable for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: all eight of those hours.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we'll feel the nutty Professor line when they're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: arguing at the table, he said, you can walk over,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: but you're limping back, you know, and that's like, yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: that's all. It's always okay, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: When when you show up, show up to fight, you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, they get the best of you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: that day. Tip your hat, you know what I mean,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: shake their hand, and then we'll get you next time,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think the team defensively,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: for sure, it's going to have an attitude that that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: that's going to be reminiscent of Boss and a lot
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: of those guys like, we ain't taking no mess from
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: none of you guys.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, you know, and that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: should be everyone, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: But but going into the SDC and the and the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: all the Big twelve was just, you know what I mean,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: a dog and pony show, throw it all over the place,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: this and that and the other. I mean, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: sometimes you got to run the race that you're in.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that was how you know, the coach
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Venables and them, I promise you they didn't envisiit like that.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: You know when they were at Clemson, you know what
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, when it came down to it and they
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: had to get stops, they got stops, you know, with
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Skalsk and Griese and you know Will. I mean like,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: and I think these kids are gonna take it personal
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: and like you know from Caden, like it seems like
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: they got this brotherhood going that we don't care who
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: gets the credit, you know what I mean, you know
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Group, Yes, and that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: that to me is a football junkie like, I mean,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: it gets me all jacked up. Like I said, I'll
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: be kick stepping on Caden when he walking by.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: He's laughed at me. You better be ready, man, I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Now, I was like, well, you probably ain't got to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: be ready to get by six foot to twenty.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, man, I absolutely appreciate everything. I mean, you know, again,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: we shop for thirty minutes and we're an hour in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: because I mean, the enthusiasm and the excitement around the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: program and just the coaching staff app in general. I mean,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: it's it's evident. You can see it in you. And
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I think that my goal for this series was. I mean,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you've hit it out of the park, court strip, sacked fumble, return,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: you did the whole thing. So I appreciate it. Give
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: me this. You right, you want to make a prediction
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: on the season.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I'll make what's.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Your prediction for Oklahoma this year twenty twenty four?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I'm saying nine wins minimum, Like I think we're going
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: to get to nine. Like I could see because of
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: the stretch you know that that you go through there
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: in the middle, you know what I mean, like like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: maybe Auburn Ole Miss, like that little stretch I could see,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, maybe some tired legs kicking in
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: here and there maybe, But like I mean me personally,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: like I don't you know, I mean like Bama's Bama,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like of course you and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Norman that you can get that one and stuff like that.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, Death Valley is gonna be you know.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: But like between I think the Old Miss and Auburn
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: is gonna be the swing, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: At which point, you know what I mean, the season
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: really goes. But I mean I don't, I don't really
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: I think they should win nine, you know what I mean, easily,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: I really do. And I mean, like I don't think
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: they're gonna get you know, knocked out of the building
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: by anybody.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, you know, you got to play
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the games, you know what I mean.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: But like I said that that that combination of experience,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: you know, and and the on line issues whatever, you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I mean, them guys are
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: on scholarship too, like they say, you know what I mean,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: They're gonna figure it out, you know. And now is
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: it gonna be easy? Heck no, I mean, like you'd
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: be a fool to think it was gonna be easy.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: But you know, with with a lot of that young
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: talent they got and guys who like who we really
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: don't know, you know what I mean. Caden's one of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: those guys, you know what I mean, Like I know,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean there, but like you know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: against the FEC just that you know, we really don't know,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But but he's up to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: the challenge. I'm sure them guys are up to putting him,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, into the fire and hey,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: let's get it, you know what I mean. But but
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: I said, I could see him maybe maybe dropping three
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: of them. But you know that's six wins stuff and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: all that. That's crazy, you know what I mean, Like that,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. You're obviously going to Auburn and Old Miss
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: is gonna be you know, tough to get it. But
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: but you know, some of those those are the games
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: where you got to figure it out and find a way.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: And if we get out of there ten to nine,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: we get out of there ten to nine, you know.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: And I think the attitude to this team is like,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: let's just win, you know what I mean. We didn't care.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: You know, we score fifty a game. You know, we
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: score more than they did, you know. And like I said,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: and I think defensively, like knock on wood, I think
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: this defense is going to carry them through some games
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: that people are going to be like, all right, we
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: got a little foot in our mouth right now, because
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: these as are bawling, you know. And like I said,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: all the different flavors, you know, I mean, if they
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: get to the point where where Coach Valley and Coach
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Venables and stuff. They got you in their pocket, you
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, and they're running all these packages
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: at you. You know, I mean for defensive ends and stuff.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Good luck, yeah, good luck.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: It's Brent Vinnables literally has every tool that he's ever
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: wanted on this deepense right now. And uh man, it's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: it's I'm excited. So Jay, I love you brother, man,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: You're you're part of the Suitor family and man as
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: a great ambassador up in Ohio. Uh Man, I can't
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you enough, you know, thank you so much.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Hopefully we're going to connect that down to Norman at
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: some point this year. But uh man, I appreciate you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: coming on, Thanks for thanks for joining us today.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Man, Okay, I appreciate it, Man, and shout out sooner nation.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, everybody, you know that that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: tape and I got you know, dms and stuff once
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: they got and then like, hey, we were really after
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: this kid, you know this and that and the other.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Like that's so gratifying as a parent, you know, to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: just know that, hey, he's not just like walking into
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: a hornet's nest, like like the day he showed up,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: At the palace. He's one of us, you know.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: And and like I said, you know, I mean, I'm
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: I went to Bowling Green, you know what I mean,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Like that's my my orange and brown, you know. Was
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: but to be a football junkie and to be blessed
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: with my son to have a chance to play there first,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: such good people and you know, for people to really
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: be anxious and excited for him and want him to
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: do good things. Like I can't say enough about about
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: how welcome they made us feel. And like I said,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: shout out Mama, Samantha, Xavier London, Kayden.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say I talk too much, but
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you know the deal.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: But we're to be a part of it, man, and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: you know what, We're gonna make it out there to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: whatever games we can. And like I said, we'll be
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Boomer sooner and you know what I mean. And then
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: maybe that championship game, I'll be riding that schooner out
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: on the fifty.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: That's what I told him. That they keep you know,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: they with.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: Cayden, you know what I mean, sacking this, that and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: the other. That's what I told him was like I said, hey,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: but if he gets to them numbers that they're putting
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: up on this game. I mean, jeez, you guys use
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: someone else every now and again.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Man, you got.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: But that's why I told him, Hey, if he gets
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: anywhere close to any of that, you know what I mean.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: But I think I think Sooner Nations is gonna be
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: real happy with what they got because, like I said,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: he's blue collar. I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna put
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: my work in. And like I said, he comes to fight,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like he came to fight.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: He didn't come to make friends, you know what I mean.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: So if you guys want to line up against him,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: you know, have fun, you know what I mean. But
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Boomer Sooner horns down, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, And if you have not tapped down into
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  Speaker 1: So j love you man, right, love you man. Take
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: care of Boomer Sooner