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Sharri | 28 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Show good evening, And wow, did anyone watch that without
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Speaker 1: tearing up, without becoming very emotional at these shocking times.
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Speaker 1: That was a powerful and brilliant piece of documentary journalism.
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Speaker 1: And even though we're living through this and we're watching
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Speaker 1: the anti Semitism unfold on a daily basis, we're sit
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Speaker 1: here each night horrified at what has happened that day,
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Speaker 1: just seeing it all, seeing all the horrible racism over
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Speaker 1: the past eight months now laid out like that as
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Speaker 1: Josh Fridenberg so clearly laid it out. Seeing young Jewish
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Speaker 1: business owners suffer, seeing school children unable to play sport,
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Speaker 1: it all.
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Speaker 2: Just hits home. It is devastating. Now.
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Speaker 1: Josh Fridenberg tonight deserves huge congratulations, Anne heartfelt thanks for
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Speaker 1: giving months and months of his time and his enormous
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Speaker 1: energy into putting this documentary together and in putting the
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Speaker 1: issue of anti Semitism at the very center of our
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Speaker 1: public debate. I mean, we just saw his incredible interviews
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Speaker 1: with Peter Dutton, John Howard, Dennis richardson Nova Paris, and
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Speaker 1: especially Julia Gillard. But to me, one of the most
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Speaker 1: powerful things from that documentary was the message of warning
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Speaker 1: from the Holocaust survivors who've lived through the worst evil
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Speaker 1: humanity has ever seen. Well, their warning should make every
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Speaker 1: politician in this country, and especially the Prime Minister, take
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Speaker 1: a long, hard look in the mirror.
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Speaker 2: They need to ask themselves what more they can.
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Speaker 1: Do to deal with this explosion in racism against Jews.
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Speaker 1: And look, someone messaged me it's just a moment ago
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Speaker 1: and I completely agree that this documentary needs to be
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Speaker 1: shown at every school in the country.
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Speaker 2: It should be compulsory.
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Speaker 1: Viewing for the Greens Party, for university chancellors and for
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Speaker 1: those ill informed students on campus. Josh Fridenberg, I just
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Speaker 1: have to say we applaud you and we thank you,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure thousands of us cried with you tonight.
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Speaker 1: And I also have to say, as a Jewish Australian,
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Speaker 1: a huge thank you to my bosses here.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News.
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Speaker 1: It was just so emotional watching that support. We'd Ocur,
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Speaker 1: the Sky News Chief Executive and Mark Calvert, the director
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Speaker 1: of Programming, for supporting this important documentary, for supporting Josh
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Speaker 1: Fridenberg's enormous effort.
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Speaker 2: It means more to Jewish.
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Speaker 1: Australians than we can ever say. Now Josh is going
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Speaker 1: to be on the Late Debate tonight, so stay with
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Speaker 1: Sky throughout the evening and if you want to watch
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Speaker 1: that documentary, gain it's available on foxtail or on our
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Speaker 1: skynews dot com dot Au app. And there are also
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Speaker 1: longer extended interviews from the documentary, So if you want
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Speaker 1: to see the full interviews with Julia Gillard or Peter Cosgrove,
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Speaker 1: that's now on our website and the app for subscribers.
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to come back to the documentary.
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Speaker 1: I want to discuss some of the most powerful moments
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Speaker 1: from Josh's documentary with my panel Bronwin Bishop and Steve
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Speaker 1: Price in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first I.
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Speaker 1: Do want to get to and I do want to
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Speaker 1: cover the scandal that is in broiling Channel nine and
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Speaker 1: its executives.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is big news.
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Speaker 1: The nine network has confirmed tonight that one of their
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Speaker 1: TV stars confided in a board director that negative stories
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Speaker 1: about her were being leaked to the press by her
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Speaker 1: own bosses during dragged out contract negotiations. Nine has also
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Speaker 1: revealed that the director did not raise the complaint with
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Speaker 1: the board and instead spoke to senior management at nine
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Speaker 1: to address the issue. This is the latest revelation about
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Speaker 1: the TV company, which is engulfed in a growing scandal
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Speaker 1: surrounding sacked nine News boss Darren Wick. Now it's understood
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Speaker 1: the presenter, who's a well recognized face, called the director
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Speaker 1: for advice. In twenty twenty, The star's lawyer also spoke
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Speaker 1: with the director in a separate conversation.
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Speaker 2: Nine has confirmed that concerns.
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Speaker 1: About her contract negotiations, delays and leaks.
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Speaker 2: Were raised in the phone call.
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Speaker 1: Now the presenter told me, and I quote, I was
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Speaker 1: ringing the director because I was so mortified that confidential
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Speaker 1: conversations were being leaked and mythstruths were being written. I
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Speaker 1: remember saying.
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Speaker 2: This is not my fault.
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Speaker 1: I've done nothing wrong, and I'm getting these awful things
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Speaker 1: written about me.
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Speaker 2: It was really stressing. I saw it as bullying.
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Speaker 1: The on air star had previously told us at Sky
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Speaker 1: that she spoke to the director about how the culture
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Speaker 1: was affecting her mental health and her reputation.
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Speaker 2: She said, I.
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Speaker 1: Once spoke in confidence to a board member expressing my
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Speaker 1: desperation that my own bosses were planting lies that were
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Speaker 1: incredibly damaging to my reputation and affecting my mental health.
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Speaker 1: She said, there was no assistance provided to the network
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Speaker 1: to source the leaks, stamp out the toxic behavior, or
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Speaker 1: change the culture. She said, after board level, there's nowhere
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Speaker 1: to go, and I was fearful of losing my job.
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Speaker 1: And describing the culture that she experienced, the star said
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Speaker 1: planting stories was commonplace during contract negotiations as a way
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Speaker 1: of diminishing talent and bullying them into submission. Management would
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Speaker 1: then gaslight you, saying they had no idea how confidential
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Speaker 1: details that only a few were privy to were leaked.
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Speaker 1: The presenter was emotional and tearful as she spoke about
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Speaker 1: the desperation she felt when she made that phone call
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Speaker 1: to the director, and she was left with the impression
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Speaker 1: that the issues would.
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Speaker 2: Be dealt with. She said.
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Speaker 1: The director was sympathetic and was appalled and horrified at
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Speaker 1: the culture that she had detailed. The director also agreed
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Speaker 1: to take a phone call from the presenter's lawyer, and
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Speaker 1: her lawyer confirmed to me today that he had a
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Speaker 1: conversation with the director about the challenges being experienced by
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Speaker 1: the on air presenter. Now the director has also confirmed
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Speaker 1: that the star had been very upset and that they
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Speaker 1: had been sympathetic to her complaint and that the issue
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Speaker 1: of the damaging leaks had been raised in the context
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Speaker 1: of contract negotiations. It is believed that the director referred
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Speaker 1: the complaint about the delays in the contract negotiations to
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Speaker 1: senior management at nine and asked them to promptly and
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Speaker 1: fairly deal with the matter, which was resolved to the
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Speaker 1: satisfaction of the presenter, who said she did not hear
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Speaker 1: from the director again.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: The director denied that the presenter had raised a wider
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Speaker 1: cultural problem at the network or any specific toxic behavior.
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Speaker 1: Sources close to Nine claim that the complaint by their
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Speaker 1: major star and her lawyer were not raised at board level,
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Speaker 1: because Nine says it was not a board matter. It's
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Speaker 1: understood that the director raised the issues at the nine
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Speaker 1: management level. As I mentioned now, there is a slight
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Speaker 1: difference in the version of events between the on air
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Speaker 1: presenter and the board director Separately.
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Speaker 2: The presenter had, also.
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Speaker 1: Like many other women at nine, had to put up
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Speaker 1: with being allegedly groped by Darren Wick at the Logis
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Speaker 1: after party in twenty nineteen. She said of Wick and
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Speaker 1: I quote on the dance floor at the Gold Coast
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Speaker 1: Logis after party, he was gropy. He had his hands everywhere,
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Speaker 1: breathing heavily in my ear. I had to peel him
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Speaker 1: off me. Any other man I might have kicked or pushed,
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Speaker 1: but he was my boss. It was commonplace for him
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Speaker 1: to drink heavily it functions, and he would often get
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Speaker 1: in women's personal space.
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Speaker 2: We were revolted by him.
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Speaker 1: Now the presenter Ansky News do not suggest that the
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Speaker 1: presenter raised complaints of sexual harassment or handsy behavior with
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Speaker 1: the director. We are not suggesting the director was made
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Speaker 1: aware of any allegations of harassment or the toxic culture
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Speaker 1: he presided over where women were frozen out or ignored.
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Speaker 2: But Wick has been accused of.
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Speaker 1: A series of instances of sexual harassment by Brave female staff.
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Speaker 1: He left the company in March citing exhaustion, taking with
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Speaker 1: him a payout in the high six figures. The Australian
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Speaker 1: Financial Review Today published at fresh allegations about the culture
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Speaker 1: at STAN under nine CEO Mike Sneezeby, who was then
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Speaker 1: chief executive at STAN and I can tell you there
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Speaker 1: was enormous shock throughout senior levels at nine Today that
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Speaker 1: the chair Peter Costello and the Communications director Victoria Bucken
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Speaker 1: had been seen to throw Mike Sneezeby under the bus
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Speaker 1: by publicly blaming him for physically signing off on Darrenwick's payment.
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Speaker 1: It was today the talk of the industry. Multiple sources
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Speaker 1: interpreted the move as Costello trying to save his position
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Speaker 1: as chair and to allow Sneezeby to take the fall
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Speaker 1: for the crisis in golfing nine And make no mistake,
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Speaker 1: the board does still have questions to answer about why
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Speaker 1: a six figure payout was given to darren Wick despite
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Speaker 1: the known legal action over allegations of inappropriate behavior. Now
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Speaker 1: also coming up on the show tonight, labor on the
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Speaker 1: back foot as Parliament resumes today with more revelations of
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Speaker 1: child rapists given the green light to stay in Australia
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Speaker 1: thanks to Immigration Minister Andrew Giles. Plus one defense expert
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Speaker 1: says we are woefully unprepared for war amid reports China
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Speaker 1: is bullying Australian MPs and how vaping ads targeting teens
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Speaker 1: could actually be a front for criminals peddling hardcore drugs.
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Speaker 1: Will Crime reporter Mike Murray would join me later in
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Speaker 1: the hour, but now let's return to Josh Fridenberg's documentary
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Speaker 1: and if you've been tuned into Sky News for the
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Speaker 1: last hours.
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Speaker 2: I hope you have.
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Speaker 1: You would have watched his brilliant documentary Never Again the
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Speaker 1: Fight against Anti Semitism. Now, the whole documentary was extraordinary,
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Speaker 1: but I particularly want to highlight what former Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: Julia Gillard said, have a listen.
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Speaker 3: So, I think a lot of what is going on
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Speaker 3: today is a distortion of history from social media. It's
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Speaker 3: a misunderstanding about how Israel came into existence, It's a
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Speaker 3: misunderstanding about the nature of the conflict. And because of that,
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Speaker 3: I think particularly young people are developing views about this
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Speaker 3: which are unbalanced and really not informed by the history
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Speaker 3: in any way.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in my panel tonight, Sky News
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Speaker 1: host Steve Price and.
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Speaker 2: Fromer Speaker of the House Ronin Bishop.
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Speaker 1: Are welcome to you both, Bronwin, starting with you, I
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Speaker 1: think those are really strong comments from Julia Gillard, and
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Speaker 1: she was incredible in that documentary. But you know, the
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Speaker 1: comment about the younger generation and how they're being led
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Speaker 1: astray on this appetite of racism.
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Speaker 2: What did you think about that?
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Speaker 4: I thought she came across so much stronger than the
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Speaker 4: current Prime minister that the comparison just shamed Albanizi, I think.
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Speaker 4: And when she said the words that Germany didn't go
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Speaker 4: from being a so called normal nation to crematoriums and
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Speaker 4: gas chambers in the wink of an eye. She pointed
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Speaker 4: out how allowing anti Semitism to grow and become as
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Speaker 4: it did, embraced by all of Germany, that allowed all
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Speaker 4: of that to happen was such a strong message. And
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Speaker 4: the other strong message came from Peter Cosgo when he
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Speaker 4: said Hitler would be proud, yes, because what's happening now.
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Speaker 4: They are the inheritors of Hitler's policies. And it came
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Speaker 4: via that Grand Mulfi of Jerusalem, who was Hitler's ally,
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Speaker 4: who wanted to be the head of a Palestinian state
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Speaker 4: and fought against the establishment Israel all those years and
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Speaker 4: kept it up. So it was a very powerful documentary.
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Speaker 4: It was full of the most excruciating to watch. It
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Speaker 4: was particularly people who had suffered through it and survived
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Speaker 4: to see it happen again.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, it's the sort of project that
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Speaker 1: you think that ABC would have done, the public broadcaster,
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Speaker 1: the fact they haven't examined anti Semitism seriously, and that
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Speaker 1: it's Sky News that has given the commitment to this project. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's something I'm proud of as working for sky News,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's appalling as an Australian taxpayer. Steve Price,
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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, you know what, for you
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Speaker 1: was one of the most powerful or emotional moments from
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Speaker 1: Josh's documentary.
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Speaker 5: Well, congratulations to everyone involved.
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Speaker 6: It's one of the most.
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Speaker 5: Powerful pieces of documentary TV I've seen in a very
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Speaker 5: long time, and I've seen plenty of them. I think
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Speaker 5: what I took out of it is Josh Frodenberg has
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Speaker 5: been very sick, seriously affected, like most Jews in Australia
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Speaker 5: by what's happened since October seven, and I think putting
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Speaker 5: together so many examples of the anti Semitism that has
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Speaker 5: exploded across Australia that is going to shock all non
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Speaker 5: Jews who watched that show tonight. And I agree with
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Speaker 5: you that it should be shown widely in schools and universities.
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Speaker 5: But like Bromin, when you see those Holocaust survivors who
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Speaker 5: have come to Australia, many of them as young people,
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Speaker 5: they were children during World War Two. For them, you
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Speaker 5: can just see the horror on their faces, because they're
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Speaker 5: the ones that know how bad it was back in
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Speaker 5: the nineteen thirties and they, in their wildest nightmares, would
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Speaker 5: never have thought that in twenty twenty four you would
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Speaker 5: have seen this in Australia. I know how emotional you
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Speaker 5: are about it. Chari is an Australian Jew. I think
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Speaker 5: for non Jewish people who watched that tonight, none of
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Speaker 5: us and understand what the young people of this country,
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Speaker 5: and they are predominantly young, who are in these pro
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Speaker 5: Palestine rallies, what the hell they think they're doing.
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Speaker 1: And I do think it's very comforting and I strongly
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Speaker 1: believe this that mainstream Australians, you know, hate what's going on.
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Speaker 1: They hate the lack of leadership over this.
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Speaker 2: Now moving on, at ABC board members.
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Speaker 1: Have held crisis discussions after their star political correspondent Laura
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Speaker 1: Tingle's comments that Australians are all racist and that Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton is you know, driving racism will this drew national condemnation. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: The Australian newspaper reports that it's possible a meeting will
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Speaker 1: be brought forward from June to discuss the.
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Speaker 2: Pr damage that she's caused. Bronwin.
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Speaker 1: Look, the ABC is also set to face set at
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Speaker 1: estimates on Thursday, so you'd expect that this issue will
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Speaker 1: be raised.
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Speaker 4: Certainly, absolutely, and I think they need to take a
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Speaker 4: good look at the charter once again and the obligations
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Speaker 4: of directors. They have a responsibility to do something about this,
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Speaker 4: and the fact that Laura Tingle is a member of
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Speaker 4: that board means that she'll have to recuse herself from
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Speaker 4: attending that board meeting so that they can take action.
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Speaker 4: I agreed with the statement that Peter Dutton made. How
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Speaker 4: can she possibly be the main commentator on the forthcoming
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Speaker 4: election with any degree of impartiality at all. She is
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Speaker 4: totally and utterly biased and locked into a position which
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Speaker 4: is not in conformity with the charter, and the directors
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Speaker 4: have an obligation under the Corporation's Act, the ABC Act,
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Speaker 4: to do something about it. The problem is, of course,
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Speaker 4: that the Act provides that you can't take them to
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Speaker 4: court to make them do it. I'd remove those provisions.
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Speaker 2: No, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Look, the point is, fine, have an opinion, but then
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Speaker 1: don't be an impartial journalist. Have an opinion, show absolutely
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Speaker 1: like I do at the moment here now, defense policy
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Speaker 1: expert Paul Dibb has painted a grim picture of Australia's security,
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Speaker 1: claiming that we're underprepared for potential threats. He said in
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Speaker 1: an interview with The Odds that the gap between government
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Speaker 1: promises and actual delivery anytime soon means we are saddled
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Speaker 1: with a peacetime ADF about the same size as it
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Speaker 1: was thirty eight years ago, and with no real capacity
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Speaker 1: to expand quickly. Steve, Look, this is an indictment on
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Speaker 1: both sides of politics really, because we're only in this
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Speaker 1: position because successive governments haven't invested properly in our defense.
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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. I mean both sides that are blame.
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Speaker 5: This is an a job problem. It's not something that
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Speaker 5: has just happened under this government or even the previous
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Speaker 5: Morrison turbul governments. It's happened forever. The one of the
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Speaker 5: stats that stood out today, Shari, which I found really
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Speaker 5: would cheat at home to people. The entire numbers in
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Speaker 5: the Australian Defense Force would only fill half of the MCG,
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Speaker 5: which has a seating capacity of around one hundred and
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Speaker 5: five thousand people. So we've got sixty thousand in total
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Speaker 5: in our defense force. They don't have the right equipment.
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Speaker 5: We don't have the submarines and the first of the subs,
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Speaker 5: the new sub's not going to be here till twenty
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Speaker 5: thirty five. Ships are not going to be here till
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Speaker 5: the end of the decade. We have aging aircraft. We
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Speaker 5: don't have young people who are putting their hands up
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Speaker 5: to join the defense force. We are completely underprepared. Paul
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Speaker 5: Dibbs one hundred percent right. But Jim Molan was saying
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Speaker 5: this when he was alive, and he wrote a book
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Speaker 5: about it which everyone should read. The governments don't seem
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Speaker 5: to want to have anything to do with this. It's
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Speaker 5: just crazy stuff. I just hope Peter Dutton and the
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Speaker 5: lead up to the election, you know lazy's promises out
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Speaker 5: very clearly and puts money against them so that we
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Speaker 5: can actually defend this country if we need to.
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Speaker 1: And this is the scary thing, Brianwan is that you know,
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Speaker 1: we're seeing an increasingly aggressive China. We're seeing so much
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Speaker 1: volatility in different parts of the world, and the truth
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Speaker 1: is Australia does need the US to help defend us.
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Speaker 1: We couldn't defend ourselves from an attack from China.
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Speaker 2: You know, God forbid. It doesn't happen, Absolutely true.
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Speaker 4: But that's why I've been so disappointed that Miles has
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Speaker 4: been allowed to get away with this statement. Or we're
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Speaker 4: giving more money for defense. The promise is for fifty
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Speaker 4: billion in ten years time five point seven billion at
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Speaker 4: the end of the forward estimates. That's four years away
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Speaker 4: before a penny is spent. The rod really began when
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Speaker 4: we built the frigates, the Anzac class frigates, and we
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Speaker 4: built them for but not with so they didn't have
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Speaker 4: many almaments on them. And I when I was Defense
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Speaker 4: Industry Minister, made a statement in a particular speech that said,
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Speaker 4: we've made excellent floating targets. Well that really causes But
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Speaker 4: to give how it is credit only Defense was spared
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Speaker 4: cuts in that first year, the first term of government,
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Speaker 4: and we did increase spending. Now things have gone on
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Speaker 4: since then, but there has been in this government a
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Speaker 4: complete failure. Paul Dibb's quite right, and I knew Paul
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Speaker 4: given those years, and Paul Dibb is quite right that
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Speaker 4: this government has no stomach for increasing the effectiveness of
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Speaker 4: our defense force.
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Speaker 2: But we needed to order equipment long ago. I mean
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Speaker 2: we order it. Now we have a long range missiles decade,
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Speaker 2: two decades.
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Speaker 1: It's going to take a long time, all right, Grudman
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Speaker 1: Bishop and Steve Price, thank you both so much for
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Speaker 1: your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Now coming off.
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Speaker 1: Immigration Minister Foster front Parliament today after failing to keep
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Speaker 1: the community safe from criminals.
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Speaker 2: I'll discuss this after the break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back wear Now to the topic that dominated question
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Speaker 1: time today and it was certainly heated.
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Speaker 2: Been revealed that three.
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Speaker 1: Child rapists were allowed to stay in Australia under the
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Speaker 1: so called Direction ninety nine that was issued by Andrew
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Speaker 1: Giles in January last year. Now, in at least one
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Speaker 1: of these cases, deportation was avoided because of a factor
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Speaker 1: in Direction ninety nine, which means the strength of a
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Speaker 1: person's ties to Australia can help revoke the cancelation of
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Speaker 1: their visa. It's a clause that's been used by dozens
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Speaker 1: of serious offenders to help them stay in Australia under
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Speaker 1: Andrew Giles as minister. Now the Opposition is arguing that
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Speaker 1: at once this direction torn up and they say the
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Speaker 1: Immigration Minister needs to be sacked as a result.
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Speaker 7: The Alberzi Labor government's wading down of the law has
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Speaker 7: allowed this criminal to stay in Australia, making our country
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Speaker 7: less safe. When will the Alberdesi Labor government apologize for
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Speaker 7: this catastrophic mistake in reverse Direction ninety nine?
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Speaker 8: Our thoughts there, of course with the victims in this case,
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Speaker 8: and in saying that, of course, community safety remains our
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Speaker 8: highest priority as a government. I remind the lead of
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Speaker 8: the Opposition in all members that this was a visa
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Speaker 8: that was canceled and remain canceled by my department in
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Speaker 8: line with Ministerial Direction ninety nine. I believe that it's
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Speaker 8: a decision that should still be canceled, and I advised
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Speaker 8: the House also that I have prioritized a number of
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Speaker 8: cases for urgent cancelation consideration.
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Speaker 1: A National's leader, David little Proud joins me. Now, David,
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Speaker 1: thank you for your time. So the argument is around
22:34
Speaker 1: this measure, this factor in the Immigration Minister's powers. That mean,
22:40
Speaker 1: if someone's ties to Australia are strong enough, so not
22:44
Speaker 1: necessarily citizenship, but ties to Australia. It seems it doesn't
22:48
Speaker 1: actually matter how bad their crimes are, they're protected from
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Speaker 1: being deported.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? And what exactly do you want changed here?
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Speaker 9: Well, this was added, and this is an important aspect
23:01
Speaker 9: to understand. This was added to give weighted the same
23:04
Speaker 9: weight as that of the severity of the crime, the
23:08
Speaker 9: fact that they may have been in this country for
23:10
Speaker 9: many years. And it was a concession given by Anthony Albanesi.
23:14
Speaker 9: So it's not just Andrew Giles that the blame needs
23:17
Speaker 9: to sit at the feet of. It's also Anthony Albanesi
23:19
Speaker 9: in the deal that he cut with Justine Adern, the
23:23
Speaker 9: former New Zealand Prime Minister, in allowing Kiwis to stay
23:27
Speaker 9: here that had criminal pass and it was all about
23:30
Speaker 9: appeasing New Zealand rather than keeping Australian safe. And by
23:34
Speaker 9: giving that extra waiting and giving it equality in waiting
23:38
Speaker 9: to the other four criteria has meant that these anomalies
23:42
Speaker 9: have allowed to happen where Australians have been put at
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Speaker 9: risk and horrific crimes have in some cases allegedly still
23:48
Speaker 9: to take in case others have been proven. And it's
23:51
Speaker 9: something that we believe should be torn up. This is
23:53
Speaker 9: something that is just another layer of a litany of
23:58
Speaker 9: errors that this minister and this has made, whether it
24:01
Speaker 9: be through this in watering down the laws, or whether
24:03
Speaker 9: it be learning out one hundred and fifty three detainees
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Speaker 9: after the High Court in June last year gave them
24:11
Speaker 9: full warning by a Preliminary Findings hearing, saying that they
24:14
Speaker 9: were going to let these detainees out, but yet did
24:17
Speaker 9: nothing about doing anything in a in a proactive way
24:21
Speaker 9: in bringing forward legislation to protect Australians. So this minister
24:25
Speaker 9: hasn't shown any intent, hasn't shown any interest in this
24:28
Speaker 9: and unfortunately Australians are hurting because of it.
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Speaker 1: Now, just to clarify under this direction, so are you
24:35
Speaker 1: arguing that even if a person has strong ties to Australia,
24:39
Speaker 1: which could include indigenous heritage, you're saying they should still
24:42
Speaker 1: be deported.
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Speaker 9: Well, now this is where they have dual citizenship and
24:49
Speaker 9: in fact where they have been built or in this
24:52
Speaker 9: country or don't have dual citizenship. But I've come to
24:55
Speaker 9: this country on a visa and in fact have committed
24:58
Speaker 9: a crime. And what previously was the case, there wasn't
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Speaker 9: a waiting given with respect to the time that they
25:05
Speaker 9: had been here. What happened was that there was a
25:08
Speaker 9: concession given to increase that as a fifth determinant, a
25:13
Speaker 9: fifth criteria to waiting in the same extent as what
25:19
Speaker 9: the extent of the crime, whether it be domestic violence,
25:21
Speaker 9: rape or murder.
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Speaker 5: Now that's not that's not so.
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Speaker 1: Would you still keep the provision but just change the waiting?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think that's what we need to work through as.
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Speaker 2: You don't have a view at this point.
25:34
Speaker 1: You don't have a view at this point that the
25:37
Speaker 1: provision would go.
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Speaker 9: Well, the challenge comes with the High Court finding and
25:42
Speaker 9: obviously working within the confines of the High High Court
25:46
Speaker 9: finding that came down in October November that we have
25:49
Speaker 9: to work within. But that is one quick administrative way
25:52
Speaker 9: that the government could actually remove this quite quite quickly.
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Speaker 2: We have to clarify.
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Speaker 1: You're not suggesting removing it. You're suggesting changing the waiting.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 9: If it could be worked within the confines of the
26:07
Speaker 9: finding of the High Court, then obviously we'd work with
26:10
Speaker 9: the government with respect to that. But if we can't,
26:12
Speaker 9: then would why would you take away this waiting as
26:14
Speaker 9: quickly as you possibly could. That's something a directive of
26:17
Speaker 9: the government could do immediately, all right.
26:20
Speaker 1: Look, Foreign Minister Pennywoe has raised concerns over China's military
26:24
Speaker 1: drills after exercising a show of force around Taiwan.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 6: In recent weeks we have expressed our deep concern about unsafe,
26:34
Speaker 6: unprofessional and unacceptable incidents involving the PLA Navy. We have
26:39
Speaker 6: seen large scale Chinese military operations in the Taiwan Straight
26:43
Speaker 6: becoming a routine event. The risk of an accident and
26:46
Speaker 6: potential escalation is growing.
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Speaker 1: David, Look, this is becoming risk here. We've seen several
26:53
Speaker 1: incidents now where there has been Chinese aggression towards members
26:58
Speaker 1: of Australia's and personnel.
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Speaker 2: What do you think the government needs to do?
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Speaker 9: What we concur with the statements that the FOREIGNUS is making.
27:08
Speaker 9: I think it's important that those statements are made very
27:11
Speaker 9: forcefully to directly to the leaders, and the Prime Minister
27:15
Speaker 9: himself needs to step up and to make that call
27:18
Speaker 9: with the President of China. We've seen sub mariners, we've
27:22
Speaker 9: seen some of our pilots put at risk in international
27:26
Speaker 9: waters to the extent they shouldn't and that's where strong
27:29
Speaker 9: leaderships required in drawing a line in the sand and
27:32
Speaker 9: making it very clear that that's not acceptable. While we
27:34
Speaker 9: want to turn the page with our relationship with China,
27:37
Speaker 9: that comes with mutual respect but that's also about respecting
27:41
Speaker 9: the law of the international of the sea and international
27:46
Speaker 9: air and making sure that our servicemen and women are
27:50
Speaker 9: protected as are there and that there are any provocations
27:53
Speaker 9: that are undertaken by their side, and that needs to
27:56
Speaker 9: be clearly enunciated as the President and the Prime Minister,
28:00
Speaker 9: while being asked in Parliament, hasn't been able to articulate
28:03
Speaker 9: that whether he's made that call to President She and
28:06
Speaker 9: if he hasn't, why hasn't he. These Australian servicemen and
28:09
Speaker 9: women are prepared to put their souls on the line
28:11
Speaker 9: for us. The Prime Minister should stand with them.
28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, David little Proud, thank you very
28:17
Speaker 1: much for joining me this evening. Now, earlier this week
28:21
Speaker 1: we saw Hamas launch eight rockets.
28:23
Speaker 2: Into Tel Aviv.
28:24
Speaker 1: This was the first time in months and it raises
28:27
Speaker 1: concerns that the terror organization is still capable of long
28:32
Speaker 1: distance attacks. It prompted an Israeli air strike into the
28:35
Speaker 1: southern Gaza city of Rafa, which has killed two senior
28:40
Speaker 1: Hamas terrorists and tragically forty five civilians were also killed.
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Speaker 2: Now let's have a look.
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Speaker 10: In Rafa. We have already evacuated about a million non
28:52
Speaker 10: involved residents, and despite our best efforts not to harm
28:56
Speaker 10: the non involved, unfortunately a technical failure happened last night.
29:00
Speaker 10: We're investigating the case. We will present the conclusions because
29:04
Speaker 10: this is our policy.
29:06
Speaker 1: And that's Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and I'm joined
29:09
Speaker 1: now by Israeli politician Sharon Haskell in Israel.
29:13
Speaker 2: Sharon, thank you for joining us once again.
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Speaker 1: Look, can you tell us how these civilian deaths occurred
29:20
Speaker 1: and what's the lightest with the ongoing ongoing IDF movement
29:27
Speaker 1: into Rafa.
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Speaker 11: First of all, it's important to note, Shary, we've been
29:33
Speaker 11: discussing now for months about in operation in Rafa, trying
29:38
Speaker 11: to get as many civilians away from it. We've worn
29:42
Speaker 11: we've opened safe crossings for them to actually cross to
29:46
Speaker 11: another area save zone, but unfortunately as Hamas is using
29:51
Speaker 11: them as a human shield, some of them and many
29:54
Speaker 11: of them actually decided to actually stay. And so we
29:58
Speaker 11: continue to reiterate and say over and over again, anyone
30:02
Speaker 11: in Rafa needs to go out. There are safe zone,
30:05
Speaker 11: there are safe areas, safe passage where they can actually
30:09
Speaker 11: move into other refugees. Safe zones and safe area They.
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Speaker 1: Are your reports that that the civilians are choosing not
30:18
Speaker 1: to choosing not to evacuate, or is Hamas actually blocking
30:23
Speaker 1: their exit.
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Speaker 11: Hamas in many cases is actually threatening them and blocking
30:29
Speaker 11: as well. I mean we've seen them in many occasions
30:32
Speaker 11: shooting with snipers people who are trying to flee from
30:36
Speaker 11: the war area. So it is very very difficult. Hamas
30:41
Speaker 11: know that they need to be surrounded by children, by women,
30:45
Speaker 11: and they in the hope that that what's going to
30:48
Speaker 11: save them, and so many operations that were canceled were
30:52
Speaker 11: exactly because of that. But we need to understand Hamas
30:56
Speaker 11: fired rockets into our main cities, major cities where thousands
31:01
Speaker 11: could have been injured, and Ramasi is firing them from
31:05
Speaker 11: safe zones, from humanitarian areas, from United Nations facilities and schools.
31:12
Speaker 11: This is what it's actually using as a military bases
31:16
Speaker 11: to fire those rockets. And so in the video that
31:19
Speaker 11: was published as well, and I've actually sent that to
31:22
Speaker 11: you as well, just a few minutes ago, you see
31:25
Speaker 11: the areas of where the event actually happened, okay, and
31:30
Speaker 11: you see a big fire and then you see a
31:33
Speaker 11: secondary explosion. That secondary explosion was ammunition and rockets that
31:38
Speaker 11: was on a car delivering them in order to be
31:41
Speaker 11: fired into the state of Israel, into major cities, into
31:46
Speaker 11: children's schools and kindergartens. And so I mean, in this event,
31:52
Speaker 11: Israel needs to defend itself, it needs to defend its children.
31:55
Speaker 11: And this is a very unfortunate event and we are
31:59
Speaker 11: trying to avoid as much as possible civilian casualties, but
32:03
Speaker 11: unfortunately Hamas is actually using them and abusing them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, very well said.
32:12
Speaker 1: Now, in Australia we have a national broadcaster funded by
32:15
Speaker 1: the taxpayer, and the ABC has described Hermas's rocket attacks
32:20
Speaker 1: on Tel Aviv just on Sunday night, and this was
32:23
Speaker 1: in a social media post as a show of resilience.
32:28
Speaker 2: A show of resilience.
32:30
Speaker 1: That's an ABC social media post describing the terrorist group
32:35
Speaker 1: for Mussa's attack on Israel just on Sunday night. What's
32:40
Speaker 1: your response to this, Sharon Askoo.
32:43
Speaker 11: This is it's heartbreaking and I think you know it's
32:47
Speaker 11: it's things that it's very difficult to understand. And I'll
32:52
Speaker 11: explain to you why the war that Israel is fighting
32:55
Speaker 11: right now is not just a war against Hamas. This
32:59
Speaker 11: is a war again Iran, Iran that's trying to push
33:02
Speaker 11: through risbella radical Islam throughout the world. It's here in Israel,
33:07
Speaker 11: it's in Europe, it's in your home as well in Australia.
33:12
Speaker 11: You've seen, you've seen that, you've experienced that, and so
33:16
Speaker 11: we have to fight together radical Islam. What you're seeing
33:20
Speaker 11: the military training of China, North Korea, Russia and Iran
33:26
Speaker 11: show how much their appetite has grown because their propaganda works.
33:31
Speaker 11: I mean, those people that you see chanting these things
33:34
Speaker 11: in the streets like.
33:36
Speaker 2: Any mean, is any mean necessary?
33:38
Speaker 11: Means that murdering, raping, burning children is somehow can be justified.
33:46
Speaker 11: I mean, this is absolute idiot in the service of
33:49
Speaker 11: radical Islam. And you know what, it's coming to your
33:54
Speaker 11: front door. It's coming to your front door all around
33:57
Speaker 11: the world. And those people who see that, those useful
34:00
Speaker 11: idiots chanting and demonstrating for them to push their public
34:05
Speaker 11: opinions and their theories and the ideas of radical Islam.
34:11
Speaker 11: Where you can see in the United States the youth
34:15
Speaker 11: trying to somehow, you know, feel compassion to Asama bin
34:20
Speaker 11: Laden and actually justifying some of these actions. This is
34:24
Speaker 11: how they are using social media and how they're using
34:28
Speaker 11: the media. There are documents that are showing how the
34:31
Speaker 11: Muslim Brotherhood is trying to infiltrate that this course of
34:36
Speaker 11: the extreme left. It's been shown in a few United
34:40
Speaker 11: States courts, and you know what, I'm sure some of
34:43
Speaker 11: your intelligence forces are very aware of that and can
34:47
Speaker 11: actually show that in Parliament if there'll be an in
34:50
Speaker 11: depth discussion about what is happening right now, and that
34:53
Speaker 11: should be.
34:54
Speaker 2: And there isn't. Sharon Hasko.
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Speaker 1: Always love having you on the program. You tell it
34:59
Speaker 1: like it is your social strong Thank you very much
35:01
Speaker 1: for joining us. Now coming up the blow the blow
35:04
Speaker 1: up between Mark Dreyfus and Mikaylia Cash the cause the
35:07
Speaker 1: shadow Attorney General to.
35:09
Speaker 2: Storm out of a meeting. I'll have a look at
35:12
Speaker 2: this with my political panel after the break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well, my colleague Andrew Clonell revealed a huge blow up
35:23
Speaker 1: today between Mikaylia Cash, who said she was forced to
35:27
Speaker 1: walk out of a meeting with her counterpart in the government,
35:30
Speaker 1: Attorney General.
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Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfus.
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Speaker 1: This was all over Labour's religious freedom legislation.
35:36
Speaker 2: After the meeting, here was Mikaylia Cash.
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Speaker 1: She said, I was appalled by mister Dreyfus's behavior. Mister
35:45
Speaker 1: Dreyfus needs to stop playing games with his religious discrimination legislation.
35:50
Speaker 1: As I told Dreyfus, he needs to take on board
35:52
Speaker 1: the feedback he has received from the faith communities and
35:56
Speaker 1: release his legislation publicly. All right, bring in tonight's panel
36:01
Speaker 1: and let's start with headline advisory director and from a
36:04
Speaker 1: media advisor to Scott Morrison Andrew Carswell, Andrew, what do
36:08
Speaker 1: you make of this debate and which side of it
36:12
Speaker 1: do you agree with?
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Speaker 12: Well, I certainly know Shari who I would back in
36:18
Speaker 12: that verbal staush and it's not the great pomposity that
36:21
Speaker 12: is the Attorney General. I think Macaulay has made a
36:24
Speaker 12: good stand here and she's made a righteous stantee and
36:27
Speaker 12: excuse the pun on that she's made a stand against
36:31
Speaker 12: what is an increasing secrecy within the government when it
36:34
Speaker 12: comes to the formation of its policies. It gets all
36:37
Speaker 12: these people to come in and sign non disclosure agreements
36:40
Speaker 12: and it won't release these details in public. And now
36:43
Speaker 12: it's begging for the Coalition to sign up to this
36:46
Speaker 12: deal without it being made public. On religious discrimination bill,
36:50
Speaker 12: you know, without even having a look at it. They
36:52
Speaker 12: want to have a bipartisanship approach all of a sudden
36:55
Speaker 12: because they want to get it off the table. They
36:56
Speaker 12: don't want to fight. They don't to fight any issues
36:58
Speaker 12: in the next six to Todd and the lead up
37:00
Speaker 12: to this election. So good. I'm Michaulia for taking up
37:03
Speaker 12: a fight here and pushing back on what is creeping
37:06
Speaker 12: secretive behavior by this government.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that secrecy andrew in so many
37:11
Speaker 1: different pieces of legislation. Now I'm in in Tani PLEBUSX
37:15
Speaker 1: Nature positive legislation. Industry groups had to leave their phones
37:19
Speaker 1: and laptops outside the room when they went in to
37:22
Speaker 1: even look at the legislation. Liz, this secrecy in especially
37:27
Speaker 1: about legislation that's categorically in the public interest and that
37:30
Speaker 1: should be ventilated and debated in public. I mean, this
37:34
Speaker 1: secrecy is designed just to protect the government.
37:36
Speaker 13: Indeed, and this is a government that was elected on
37:40
Speaker 13: Adnauseiuan promises of transparency.
37:42
Speaker 2: Transparency.
37:44
Speaker 13: Our middle name is going to be transparency, particularly with
37:47
Speaker 13: regards to something as important as religious discrimination, which many
37:53
Speaker 13: faith groups are extremely worried about this because what we've
37:56
Speaker 13: been told was going to be in a previously obviously
37:59
Speaker 13: this has been better around for years now.
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Speaker 2: Was simply not going to cut the mustard.
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Speaker 13: Personally, I think it's absolutely appalling that government is taking
38:08
Speaker 13: it upon themselves to dictate what Christian schools can and
38:12
Speaker 13: can't do, who they can and can't hire, making it
38:15
Speaker 13: issues of discrimination, instead of just allowing religious groups faith
38:21
Speaker 13: bodies to decide for themselves how to practice their ethos,
38:25
Speaker 13: how to practice their values. And what seems very obvious
38:28
Speaker 13: every time this comes up, it's the same religious bodies,
38:32
Speaker 13: namely Christians and Catholics, that are getting whacked by it.
38:36
Speaker 13: They're not laying down the law on say, Muslim schools,
38:39
Speaker 13: which obviously they would never expect to hire someone who
38:43
Speaker 13: doesn't uphold their ethos. It's always the Judeo Christian values
38:49
Speaker 13: that seem to be getting the short end of the
38:51
Speaker 13: stick whenever this particular government talks about making laws around
38:54
Speaker 13: these things.
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Speaker 1: Well, as we've mentioned, it was a busy day in
38:59
Speaker 1: Parliament in Canberra, and yet again, I mean, this is
39:03
Speaker 1: a week when the government would have wanted to be
39:05
Speaker 1: speaking about and promoting its budget and its various tax carts,
39:10
Speaker 1: but yet again the issue was their ongoing detainee drama.
39:15
Speaker 1: And again the Immigration Minister Andrew Giles was the focus
39:20
Speaker 1: Andrew Carswaller. It just seems like Anthony Albinizi is not
39:25
Speaker 1: prepared to move on Giles, even when we have the
39:28
Speaker 1: case of child rapists staying in Australia thanks to a
39:32
Speaker 1: ministerial direction. And yet you know, every parliamentary sit in
39:37
Speaker 1: week is eaten up by this scandal. I mean, at
39:39
Speaker 1: what point is the Prime Minister actually going to do
39:42
Speaker 1: something about this.
39:46
Speaker 12: Well, he won't move Shari because Andrew Giles is Olbo's mate,
39:50
Speaker 12: a very close mate and a backup for many, many years.
39:53
Speaker 12: So there'll be no moves here. And this continues this
39:56
Speaker 12: stubborn approach that the Prime Minister has on these issues.
40:00
Speaker 12: He'll let them fester, and by word, they are festering,
40:03
Speaker 12: and they are getting worse and worse. And look, I
40:06
Speaker 12: know there's plenty of calls from the coalition here to
40:09
Speaker 12: call for this guy to be sacked, and that's fair
40:11
Speaker 12: enough in light of all the things that have happened,
40:13
Speaker 12: but they almost need him to stay there. I mean,
40:17
Speaker 12: they are making hay out of this situation and just
40:20
Speaker 12: keep him there, keep him funneling, fundling all these issues.
40:24
Speaker 12: And there's going to be more to come. Out as well,
40:26
Speaker 12: So we need him there to be their front and
40:28
Speaker 12: center in order for this scandal to go on. But
40:32
Speaker 12: it just this continues to plague the government and they
40:35
Speaker 12: just can't avoid it. And yes, they should move on him,
40:38
Speaker 12: but I hope they don't.
40:39
Speaker 1: Well, fine, it's good for the coalition, but Lisa, it's
40:41
Speaker 1: a serious issue for community safety because we've already seen
40:45
Speaker 1: that some of the released detainees have allegedly bashed a grandmother,
40:50
Speaker 1: others have there been dozens of offenses.
40:52
Speaker 13: Yeah, over thirty of them have already reoffended. And what
40:56
Speaker 13: a surprise that hardened criminals aren't magically trend formed upon
41:00
Speaker 13: being released by some move.
41:03
Speaker 2: By the High Court.
41:04
Speaker 13: So this was always to be expected really, And the
41:07
Speaker 13: fact that Giles hasn't moved on Direction ninety nine, the
41:10
Speaker 13: government's now talking as if they're a victim of their
41:14
Speaker 13: own doing, which is utter nonsense. And as we heard
41:17
Speaker 13: from Senator James Patterson earlier this evening, the PM will
41:22
Speaker 13: never come down on Giles about Direction ninety nine because
41:25
Speaker 13: he himself, the Prime Minister, was also directly involved in
41:30
Speaker 13: said direction. And we just keep hearing from this government,
41:34
Speaker 13: namely Giles, that I'm just going to continue to keep
41:37
Speaker 13: the community safe and keep doing what I'm doing.
41:40
Speaker 2: We need you to do something drastically different, like actually
41:43
Speaker 2: keep the community safe in dull.
41:46
Speaker 13: The other question is in the lead up to an election,
41:49
Speaker 13: is he simply waiting? Is the PM simply waiting for the.
41:53
Speaker 14: Bulk of this to blow over before he replaces Giles
41:57
Speaker 14: so that he can go into an election cycle with
42:00
Speaker 14: a new face, a new name, and promises of oh,
42:04
Speaker 14: it's all going to be smooth sailing going forward.
42:06
Speaker 1: But we are hearing increasing talk about a ministerial reshuffle,
42:10
Speaker 1: so induringly surprised if Andrew Giles is one of those
42:13
Speaker 1: shuffled along. Now it's been revealed that the Chinese government
42:17
Speaker 1: bullied Australian politicians who attended a pro Taiwan event. Eleven
42:22
Speaker 1: MPs received a letter sent by an unnamed government official
42:27
Speaker 1: after they celebrated the inauguration of Taiwan's new president, and
42:31
Speaker 1: the letter suggested that these politicians could be putting Australia's
42:36
Speaker 1: ties with China at risk. Andrew Carswell, I mean this
42:40
Speaker 1: is kind of open bullying of politicians and maybe our
42:44
Speaker 1: foreign policy does need to change to recognize Taiwan more.
42:48
Speaker 12: Formally, Well, I think Shari's it's certainly coercion, there's no
42:55
Speaker 12: doubt about that. But I find this quite humorous actually.
42:58
Speaker 12: I mean we've gone We've gone from a situation where
43:01
Speaker 12: the Chinese governor officials were openly bullying nations from the
43:06
Speaker 12: pulpit in Beijing, openly calling out countries for misbehaving and
43:12
Speaker 12: treating China poorly and the ramifications to come from that,
43:16
Speaker 12: and they were doing that on the world stage. And
43:17
Speaker 12: now suddenly we've moved to this posture of I'm going
43:20
Speaker 12: to write a strongly worded email to some politicians that
43:25
Speaker 12: nobody really knows of apart from Paul Fletcher. I think
43:30
Speaker 12: it's an indication of how different that they're starting to
43:35
Speaker 12: approach these issues. But yes, it is still a former bullying. Yes,
43:38
Speaker 12: it is coercion, and we should be alarmed at that practice,
43:42
Speaker 12: despite the fact that it is quite embarrassing on their part.
43:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Andrew Carswell list, I thank you both
43:48
Speaker 1: so much of your time in Lis. Will of course
43:49
Speaker 1: see you at ten o'clock tonight with.
43:51
Speaker 2: Josh Bridenberg on your show. Yes, can't wait for that. Now.
43:54
Speaker 1: After the break, a desperate search underway from mother and
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Speaker 1: newborn baby after discover bring evidence of a riverside birth
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Speaker 1: in Sydney. Plus how facebook page is selling illegal vapes
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Speaker 1: could have links to drug dealers.
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Speaker 2: Crime reporter Mark Murray will be on Live next.
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Speaker 1: When New South Wales police are desperately searching for a
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Speaker 1: mum and her newborn baby after signs of a birth
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Speaker 1: were discovered on the banks of a river in Sydney's
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Speaker 1: in A West. The New Southell's Health Minister issued a
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Speaker 1: plea to the mother.
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Speaker 5: You're not in trouble.
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Speaker 15: You don't have to talk to the police. The only
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Speaker 15: thing I ask that you do is make you way
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Speaker 15: to one of our hospitals so that we can care
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Speaker 15: for you and your baby as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 1: All right, The Daily Telegraphs Crime editor Mark Murray joins me, Now, Mark,
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Speaker 1: you know, giving birth is so difficult to think a
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Speaker 1: poor mum had to, for whatever reason, deliver a baby
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Speaker 1: on the banks of a river is really really worrying.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 16: It's the police are very very concerned and as you said,
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Speaker 16: they're the health minister.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 16: The New South Wales Police have made repeated please that
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Speaker 16: if anybody knows who the mother is or if the
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Speaker 16: mother's out there, just let them know, again stressing no
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Speaker 16: one's in trouble. They are doing tests on the placenta
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Speaker 16: that was found there yesterday afternoon to try and establish
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Speaker 16: if the survivability is the words that are possibly being used.
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Speaker 16: But again they're worried about the health of both mother
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Speaker 16: and the baby, so it's a bit of a desperate
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Speaker 16: race to try and make sure that both are okay.
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Speaker 1: When you use the word survivability, and you know, we
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Speaker 1: know that police divers were called in today, So does
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Speaker 1: this mean they actually don't know what they suspect the
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Speaker 1: baby and the mum might be in the river.
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Speaker 16: They're not such in anything like that at the moment.
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Speaker 16: But as I said that, they are doing some tests
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Speaker 16: on the placenter and from that they can actually figure
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Speaker 16: out from what I can gather, perhaps how whether one
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Speaker 16: the baby was alive when born to how long it
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Speaker 16: may have been along, you know, So they can find
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Speaker 16: out a lot of things now with DNA, it's quite amazing.
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Speaker 16: But they're obviously their concern is the health and weather
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Speaker 16: the baby has survived and the mother is not seriously ill.
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Speaker 1: Now, Mike, you've got a story breaking in the Daily
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Speaker 1: Telegraph tomorrow about another shocking display of youth crime.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us? What news can you break
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Speaker 2: right here?
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Speaker 16: So in Dubo on a Wednesday or Thursday, a car
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Speaker 16: was stolen by nobody. It was stolen. The next day
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Speaker 16: it was found by police. Police seize it, put it
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Speaker 16: in the police compound. That night somebody broke in and
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Speaker 16: stole that car back again. It was then used in
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Speaker 16: seven break ins a couple of police chasers before it
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Speaker 16: was somebody was arrested. Now a thirteen year old girl
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Speaker 16: has been arrested. She was on bail for similar offenses,
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Speaker 16: but she's now been granted bail again. Police refuse police bail.
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Speaker 16: She went before the children's court while on bail. Are
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Speaker 16: now involved in stealing a carpetent from a police compound
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Speaker 16: and allegedly being involved in breaking the Asana police chase.
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Speaker 16: She's actually now been granted bail again. Now she was
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Speaker 16: there's apparently a seventeen year old male who's actually one
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Speaker 16: of the major figures in this crime spree. But she's
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Speaker 16: definitely involved. And again bail and bail the police lock
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Speaker 16: them up and for them they just find it this cycle.
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Speaker 16: They just don't know what to do. They arrest these
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Speaker 16: teenagers on these crime sprees and then they're back out again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is incredibly brazen to break into a
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Speaker 1: police compound and shocking that it's a thirteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: So frustrating for police. You can only imagine that they
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Speaker 1: keep liking people up who are then at least yet again.
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Speaker 1: And there's this youth crime problem that's really right now targeting,
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Speaker 1: you know, affecting most states across the country.
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Speaker 16: It is across the country, as I said, you know,
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Speaker 16: it's not just in these in country towns. It's a
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Speaker 16: similar situation in metropolitan areas across the country, as you said.
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Speaker 16: And again I think the courts apparently, and they're not
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Speaker 16: helping it, you know, And you can imagine police frustration.
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Speaker 16: I think there will be some police going, you know,
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Speaker 16: why are we going to bother locking them up, because
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Speaker 16: that's going to get out again, and you know, why
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Speaker 16: are we doing it? It's just paperwork and it's not
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Speaker 16: doing any good. There has to be some sort of
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Speaker 16: longer term solution to try and abate youth crime. It
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Speaker 16: literally is one of the major problems in this country
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Speaker 16: at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, indeed, all right, Mark Murray, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much.
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Speaker 2: Now I'll see you tomorrow night at eight pm.
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Speaker 1: But right now, here's Paul Murray.