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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles REPLAY 080526 - From Babylon to Wall Street: Michael Hudson’s Warning · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Love to change that old world. Didn't know what to do back then. We got a few more ideas these days but we appreciate Alvin Lee's foresight and prophetic
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  lyrics there from
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  man, so long ago back when back when Chris and I were both puppies
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  and of course, the band was ten years after. He was one hell of a guitar player, that guy. I remember him at Woodstock.
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  He
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  had a big couple of songs he did at Woodstock there and
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  in that era.
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  So, we
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  flash back to them. Look at all the changes betwixt then and now as we roll in on right on the threshold here, Chris. Chris joined us right before the show of
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  what they call in the Spanish
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  world Navidad.
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  Denise Navidad. They used to call it like Christmas up there but they're calling it the holiday season now. We'll get into that later in the show and
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  been wanting all week to get into this Saturnalia
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  thing which I've mentioned a couple of times and going to have time to play with that today and then also
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  David Duke's
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  Christmas message which I thought was pretty interesting
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  and we'll polish off towards the end but I I stumbled on something late last night that I wanted to
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  get in here in the first part of the show.
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  I sent it to Brent and said, man, you know, here's something I think you're going to find interesting and so, probably talk about it tomorrow. It's got a lot of correlations
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  with Brent's
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  usual thinking and oratory
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  and there's some new stuff on there I've never heard before. So,
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  pretty interesting historical source.
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  I'll let all that unfold. It's the T twentieth of December.
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  Here on the threshold of Navidad Christmas
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  and
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  the long
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  time when there's kind of an exhale
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  somewhat. For most people, there's an exhale here for a little bit.
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  You know, not only the big dinner and all that but you're, you know, around some but most people will be around family stuff or or or whatever and of course,
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  you just kind of brace yourself from the year you've been through and strap yourself in for the year we're going to go through because it is going to be an eventful one without a doubt.
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  Here this morning,
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  you know how much I admire Vlad the destroyer. How you doing it, Chris? By the way, I just dove in the deep end of the pool here. How are doing this morning?
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  Unknown: Well, it's never a dull moment in my life, but I'm doing quite well this morning. Great friends around.
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  All I was blessed and gifted from one
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  Christmas food fair, cookies, candies, and so on.
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  Could
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  not be better. They are absolutely exquisite,
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  Unknown: and they came from a very nice source. Okay. Well, good for you, and I'm glad you got that support around you there. And, of course, you've been gone through a lot of personal
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  trepidations here for the last couple of years and involving your spouse, not only leaving you but you know, robbing you on the way out and and then causing you problems in the in the backlash and so, I know that's got a lot of personal effects on a person. I've been through that stuff when I was younger and
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  so good. I'm glad you got the support level there. Let me ask you a question. You hadn't you might I might have to send you on a holiday errand
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  and check on our friend Robert.
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  I mean, he's MIA here lately.
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  Unknown: That's kinda curious. I think he's been busy with, different work task. He was doing the Uber thing. I think he's, morphed into a more service oriented project
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  that may be more lucrative for him, and he's a pretty good spirit. So he's probably very, very busy at this time of the year, and I would guess that's accounting for his absence, but I will follow-up and validate,
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  do a verification of the facts and see if that's actually the thing or if there's something I missed with him. I hope not. Okay. And, you know, we got another old friend out there in the Vegas area. Don't hear from him anywhere near enough.
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  Unknown: Brent, who's also a black guy that used to, yeah, have you met Brent yet?
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  Unknown: I don't think that I have. I regrettably.
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  Unknown: Okay. Well, you need to and I'm sure your paths will cross. He's driving a bus out there for one of the tour services or something I think but he used to hang around our CCG meetings.
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  This is over twenty five years ago, man.
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  In Atlanta where we'd meet on a weekly basis
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  and he didn't come up constantly because of conflict but he was there and he's just a really good guy, okay? He's really easy to spot because he's big and just
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  assault of the earth kind of guy and I hope you get to cross paths with him out there. He he calls in occasionally. He's called in two or three times. I I didn't hear from him for, man, years
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  and he called into the show cold one day and said, Roger, this is Brent. I'm, holy smoke. He's a real good guy though. You'll cross paths with him out there. Yep.
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  Brent the bus driver.
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  Of course. We had we had some real solid people in that group but of course, I'm here with Jack and Jack's probably listening today.
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  He's having this cancer battle that he's been going through and all kinds of complications
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  with that but he's looks fantastic
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  especially
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  with what he's been through in the last since I about the same time, about the same time I thought I could step out a window and fly is when he was going when he was going into into this stuff back in July. For your death experience.
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  Yeah. You know, like, we get together on our Tuesday thing, and it's like we're like the walking invalid bunch, you know? All these old men, we all got all of our specific little problems and challenges.
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  Anyway, Jack was part of that group way back then and Tom was, of course, also and who else have y'all heard from Harvey
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  Weissong was part of that and
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  just a lot of good old friends, you know, that's that's the thing about our Patriot friends is when you get into this and you wake up,
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  you find out who your friends
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  are and who your acquaintances
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  were.
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  Curious. I was, leaving after the show yesterday. I had stopped it at one of our Wally World, World, but famous gathering
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  spot for all sorts of people. And I was standing in the line at the financial center doing a transaction,
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  and there was a fellow in front of me that had a
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  oh, probably a five or four or five year old boy in the basket that was blonde haired and
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  just really a curious young fellow. And the guy that was in front of me, he was a it turned out he was 57 years old, ten years younger than me, but he had on a
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  a
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  US Marine Corps jacket. So I give him a hearty super thigh and super veritas.
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  And we got to chatting, he was
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  special ops.
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  And
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  he was a targeted individual also and a victim of some illegal abuse
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  like myself. And so I shared the video that I had with him,
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  and he divulged that he has some
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  connections
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  that incorporate
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  the head of the Southwestern US
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  FBI
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  that might be very assistive in investigating corruption in government, and they
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  don't. His relation there is not known. I think it's a marital
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  extended family member, but,
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  Unknown: it could be very interesting and intriguing and who knows where it may lead. Well, wow. Right here at the holidays when all these families get together and sometimes see each other for the only time during the year. Isn't that a coincidence?
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  Unknown: What a coincidence. It's I tell you, I see higher powers moving in all sorts of circles. I mean In my life, in particular, it's just it doesn't seem to end. It's it's just exponential.
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  Unknown: If if there wasn't some kind of a force driving me and controlling what I've been doing for so much of my life now, we wouldn't be having these shows. We wouldn't have this platform
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  and above all, we wouldn't have this knowledge and understanding which
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  empowers
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  and
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  puts and it puts the armor on you. It puts the armor of god's truth on you, okay? Yeah, that's Psalms nine one one.
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  And and so so you got a lot of things to be grateful about here as I look back on that and I, you know, I kind of that's
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  a hard when you get into this. I got into it years ago and you first started seeing a lot of these inclinations
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  on this
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  divine
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  divine force that that has moved this. Well, I'm talking about the entire project, okay?
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  And and because I've been so associated with it for so many years so closely,
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  I know all these little stories
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  of important key things that happened from
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  John's patriarchal
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  blessing to when he knocked off the book of at the University of Denver Law Library and it opens to the pages and it's covering the things that the ex checker can't seize when they
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  execute a a
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  warrant of
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  what we call a levy,
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  a warrant, an extent, they called it.
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  Okay? I mean, the the pardon
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  Unknown: me?
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  Unknown: Extent or extent?
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  Unknown: No, extent, I believe.
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  Like to the extent of what you can take
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  but
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  but they had, that's part of the confusion here is they had all these different labels
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  for
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  these actions. There were a lot of em in Latin and whatnot. Sierra Fascias
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  is to. Yeah. To make known. It's all these things that were so difficult for me back then and hell, I still hadn't mastered all that side of it but I I should say as we approach tax season,
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  we'll be talking about it. It's that 'tis the season to be jolly
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  rolling in the rolling
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  Unknown: in. Well,
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  Unknown: you know, they get to, they get to, they get to, celebrate Jesus for the only time all year. And then they get to roll into tax season. I mean, it's a one two punch, man.
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  Unknown: Well, it kinda brings up your
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  finger that I maybe you're gonna play about Saturnalia
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  and the fact that the people have been deceived to believe that this is the birth of Christ,
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  which it has absolutely no relationship whatsoever to at this time of the year because this was I think it was in April sometime
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  and or the resurrection either one. I think it's more accurately Nimrods
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  or
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  Lady Scusus Constantine,
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  Justinian, know, there are a number of different people that seem to claim the December 25 day as their day of their birth but it's certainly not the Christ. Well, we're we're and we are going to get into that probably the second hour here and then since this video is about thirty minutes long,
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  Unknown: let me go ahead and play it and
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  we'll have a couple of minutes to talk about it and then like I said, I've sent it to Brent. He he may be listening today.
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  So,
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  this is something I stumbled on last night over on Michael Rivero's site and it's the interview is done by a pretty
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  famous guy who I really appreciate his work, Christopher Christopher
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  Hetchens.
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  Isn't that his name?
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  The author?
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  And and yeah,
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  he's Chris
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  Hedges.
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  Chris Hedges, he's written a lot of stuff and and and was pretty controversial either and not to our depth but
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  on more of the surface issues. He's excellent. He's a true seeker.
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  They don't like him. I gotta tell you something.
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  And he's interviewing a guy here who's an economist. He's evidently some kind of a tenured professor
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  and has been around for a while but seems to be I get the impression he's highly respected and his name is Michael Hudson
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  and his new book
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  and forgive them their debts.
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  Lending foreclosing
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  and redemption
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  from the Braun Bronze
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  Age
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  Finance
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  to the Jubilee Year.
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  Let me read the title of this book again.
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  It's boy, that's a mouthful, isn't it? I thought my title, my book was long.
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  And forgive them for their debts.
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  Colon, lending,
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  foreclosure,
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  and redemption from Bronze Age Finance
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  to the Jubilee
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  year.
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  I think y'all are going to find a couple of he now this guy is no slouch, alright? And he was been involved in a project.
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  I think he said at Harvard
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  where for twenty years, they've been going back to
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  to Babylonian
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  and and and Sumerian cuneiforms
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  and putting all that stuff on digitally and researching all the the stuff about those cultures and how they operated from the internal documents if you will and and may I add unredacted.
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  So,
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  let me play this. That's
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  right. Well, you I
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  think you're about to find out how true that statement is. Let me see if I can get this and get the levels and okay. Discuss an economy trapped in the scaffolding of debt with economist Michael Hudson. I don't see any escape mechanism. The lowering interest rates was simply to inflate real housing prices and the stock prices,
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  Unknown: Inflating the stock prices and lowering the interest rates means people can't get a safe way of saving for their retirement,
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  the pension funds go broke, so there go people's pensions. They're not going to be the old people are going to be suffering, especially
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  as in the case of Greece again,
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  and as was the case in antiquity.
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  So everywhere you look,
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  in putting the interest of the creditors who are the 1%
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  over the 99%,
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  the economy is committing
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  financial suicide.
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  Unknown: I think you all could enjoy this. Here it goes. Trapped in punishing debt peonage,
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  Unknown: most of which can never be repaid.
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  Credit card debt, auto debt, bank debt, medical debt, mortgage debt, and student debt, now $1,500,000,000,000
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  siphons off larger and larger portions of our income.
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  The rise of an oligarchic class of Wall Street creditors
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  enriched primarily from imposing debt peonage on the population is, as Karl Marx observed,
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  part of the cyclical nature of capitalism itself.
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  These creditors first create a mafia economy
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  and then a mafia state.
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  Left unchecked,
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  all power devolves into the hands of these parasitic class of creditors.
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  Ancient cultures were acutely aware that allowing an oligarchic
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  elite to oppress a society
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  through debt peonage destroys
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  not only the financial health of the state but social cohesion.
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  Debt in ancient societies for this reason was not sacrosanct.
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  In fact, ancient societies from Sumer and Babylon,
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  understanding that debts eventually grow faster than the ability to pay,
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  routinely resolve the crisis by wholesale
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  debt forgiveness.
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  I am joined in the studio by Michael Hudson,
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  the author of And Forgive Them From Their Debts,
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  Credit and Redemption,
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  who looks at how past societies freed themselves
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  from the death grip of a class of creditors who, as has happened today,
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  have used their control of the financial system to become de facto
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  rulers.
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  As a former seminarian,
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  I have to begin
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  with something that I did not understand but that you laid out in the book
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  and that is the centrality
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  of the forgiveness
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  of debts
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  to
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  the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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  Unknown: Well, was basically
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  the gospel of Judaism
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  when the Bible was first put together from the returnees of Babylon.
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  And when the exiles came back from Babylonia,
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  they'd become familiar with the Babylonian practice
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  of what became the Jubilee Year. The word for the Jubilee Year in Hebrew, Doror, is a cognate to Babylonian Andorarim.
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  And the three parts had been proclaimed for two thousand years in Babylonia.
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  You cancel the personal debts, not the business debts, only the personal debts. You free the debt bond persons
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  and you give back the lands that they had forfeited to creditors.
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  And
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  so you can imagine what the
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  Jewish exiles saw in Babylonia. They saw throughout the Near East, whenever a new ruler would come to the throne, the first act they would do would be an economic liberty act, a clean slate, a sort of return to the origin. And they say, We want to begin our reign in balance. And if it is in balance, we wipe out the main cause of imbalance,
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  we cancel all of the debts,
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  and this did not create a crisis because most of the debts were tax arrears,
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  most of the debts were owed to the palace for either
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  taxes or for
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  the advance of agricultural
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  draft animals or water or other payments.
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  And so it was easy for rulers to cancel the debts when you are canceling debts to yourself.
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  Much harder when you are canceling debts to the rich people, which is why the rulers of the Near East didn't want an independent oligarchy
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  to develop. When they canceled the debts, they were preserving
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  the they were saving the economy from a takeover by the wealthy creditors. Well, when the exiles returned
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  to
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  Jerusalem,
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  that is when they compiled the whole Bible and they wrote the whole history as if Moses himself had put the laws of Leviticus
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  to cancel the debts every fifty years right in the center of religion.
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  Because by the time they came back to Israel,
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  if you looked at the early books of the Bible, the kings of Israel were not
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  presented in a very good light. And by that time, in the first millennium,
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  the
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  kings had sort of represented the wealthy classes. So,
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  the Jewish solution was to take
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  the debt cancellation out of the hands of kings and put it right in the center of the religion. So, that became a fight for the next
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  four hundred years and by the time of Jesus, we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls
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  that there was a very large
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  popular
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  pressure for debt forgiveness because we have midrashes,
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  that is collections of
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  what the Bible said from the prophets
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  to
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  the laws of Moses, all the different Biblical passages
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  having to do with debt. I
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  show this document
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  from Milky Zadok
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  in the book. And so what Jesus was doing was picking up the traditional
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  Mosaic Law that had gradually
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  been opposed more and more as
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  many Jews got wealthier. They became Pharisees or Sadducees
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  Unknown: and they opposed the whole idea of But this death is and the only
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  act by Jesus that can be considered violent is when He over turns the tables of the Pharisees, of the money lenders
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  in the temple. Yes.
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  You talk, before we get into the Gospel, you actually talk about how the 10 Commandments themselves
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  are deeply concerned with debt. You cite, Thou shall not covet
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  my neighbor's wife, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain.
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  And you link this to, again,
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  Unknown: debt peonage. Well, very often if a debtor couldn't pay
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  the creditor, he would have to pledge a family member. Normally the daughter or even the wife. And very often
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  was
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  usually a sexual relationship involved because both in the Bible and Babylonian laws there are all sorts of rules for what happens when a master has children by the debt servant. So, not coveting the neighbor's wife means don't make a loan to someone who can't pay because you want to sleep with their wife as a debt servant.
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  Same thing with theft.
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  The idea of taking their property by debt, where we will make you a loan and if you can't pay, we will take your land. That was considered part of a theft. And don't take the Lord's name in vain, meant in a court proceeding,
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  as in America, you have to swear on the Bible. You have to swear to be telling the truth. And if you swear that you've made
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  a loan and the debtor owes you money, that's in violation
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  of the Mosaic Law, Leviticus 25,
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  saying there is supposed to be a debt cancellation
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  every fifty years. So, all of these
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  commandments were designed to promote
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  an economy that they are continually
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  it wouldn't be debt free,
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  but when the debts would develop, you would wipe them, you would start over, you would keep
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  renewing the economy so that it wouldn't polarize.
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  Because if you don't cancel the debts, then the economy does what you said in your opening remarks. If you don't cancel the debts, the economy polarizes
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  between creditors and debtors, and the creditors take over first the land, then the
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  economy, and then the government, and then religion, and they rewrite the law, history, and religion
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  in their own
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  self interest which is what was happening in the time of Jesus. Well, we see with the end of the Roman Empire the inability
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  Unknown: to
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  carry out a jubilee and the consequences. But before I ask that, I'll ask the fundamental question
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  which I'm sure you've been asked before,
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  is if in ancient society they knew there was a jubilee,
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  why would they lend money? Well,
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  Unknown: that's a trick question because most debts
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  were not the result of people lending money.
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  The
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  preparation for this book was five colloquia
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  that
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  I held over a period of twenty years organized by Harvard University.
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  And we had a seriologist study
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  with all of the cuneiform documents. So we have the debt documents,
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  we have the legal cases, and we found that 75%
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  of the debts in Babylonia
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  weren't loans at all. They were tax arrears, they were money that was owed to the palace and you couldn't pay because the crops failed or there was a flood or there was a drought or
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  people got sick and so
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  they weren't loans at all. They were arrears and especially this was the case in Jesus' time. People owed taxes to Rome and if they couldn't pay,
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  the tax collector would say, Okay, you couldn't pay. I'm
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  going to take your land and I'm going to make you
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  a debt servant.
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  That was really it. So,
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  when Hillel,
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  representing the wealthy
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  Pharisees,
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  said, Well, who would make a loan if you think it will be cancelled?
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  Was just misrepresenting
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  the situation
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  in something that sounded plausible until you look at the facts and then you realize that he was just acting as the lawyer,
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  the spokesman for the creditors trying to distract attention from how the economy actually worked. So let's go to the end of Rome because
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  Unknown: now the that
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  fifty year cycle or whatever it is, that, ability to restart
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  society,
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  free themselves from debt peonage, create economic
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  equilibrium is no longer honored, what happens?
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  Unknown: Well, then the credit, if you read, the histories of Rome written by Livy, by Dionysius
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  of,
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  Halicarnassus,
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  by Diodorus,
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  every Roman historian
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  attributed the fall of the Roman, Republic to the greed of creditors,
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  ending up killing
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  every politician who represented the debtors or who opposed
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  the monopolization
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  of the land was murdered. Yeah. And that happened from the fifth century all the way down to
• 26:50
  the time
• 26:52
  Unknown: Julius Caesar. Brother, the two brothers, what were they? The Gracci brothers in January.
• 26:57
  Unknown: Killed by the Senate. Yes, who took
• 27:00
  who altogether,
• 27:01
  as in the killing of Caesar, took the
• 27:04
  the
• 27:05
  benches and pushed the
• 27:08
  plebeian
• 27:09
  advocates of land redistribution and debt cancellation, pushed them over the edge of the Tarpian Rock to to fall. And what happens
• 27:18
  Unknown: economically
• 27:20
  within Rome as an example? Because I think, you know, we are very much in now in a society that sees
• 27:27
  the debt as sacrosanct, that you can't
• 27:31
  can't forgive
• 27:33
  Unknown: debt. What happened to Rome? Then we'll talk about us. Well, by not canceling the debts, people ended up as debt servants to the creditors.
• 27:41
  They were put basically in slave barracks. The population
• 27:45
  basically plunged.
• 27:48
  The money economy dried up because there was no more money. The creditors had it all. And you had maybe the 1%
• 27:54
  of the Roman population
• 27:56
  spending the little money that there was on luxury imports, and the the rest of the economy reverted to barter.
• 28:02
  So you have
• 28:04
  barter is the final stage of the monetary system. You begin with economies being credit economies.
• 28:10
  All throughout
• 28:12
  Sumerian
• 28:13
  history, Babylonia, these were it operated on credit and you'd pay the debts when the harvest was in, on the threshing floor. Then you had a money economy. Money gradually was a means of paying debts. And finally, you had no money in Rome left. The rich people didn't want to pay their taxes, just like today.
• 28:33
  I think they made Donald Trump emperor in
• 28:36
  the first century and
• 28:37
  he cut all the taxes on the rich and so there was no money coming in and so they had to debase the coinage and
• 28:43
  it ended up. Everyone worked for barter and you had feudalism.
• 28:47
  So, the end result of not canceling the debt was feudalism in Western Europe. And there was only a survival in
• 28:55
  the Byzantine
• 28:57
  Eastern half of the Roman Empire that did have the debt cancellations, that did have the constraints
• 29:03
  on creditors taking land and on the large landowners preventing
• 29:08
  Unknown: what had happened in Western Europe. And what you argue in the book is that the difference between then and now
• 29:15
  is that
• 29:17
  today's governments globally
• 29:19
  have essentially been completely seized
• 29:23
  by
• 29:24
  creditors and there's no countervailing
• 29:26
  Unknown: force. You could say that that's what distinguishes Western civilization,
• 29:31
  what's called Western civilization, really Greeks
• 29:34
  and Roman,
• 29:35
  from Near Eastern, the Bronze Age take off. And in the Bronze Age, in the third millennium B. C, in Sumer and Babylonia,
• 29:42
  you have all of the elements of enterprise and commerce developed.
• 29:46
  And
• 29:48
  you didn't have interest bearing debt brought to the Mediterranean until the eighth century B. C. By Levantine traders in Greece and in Italy.
• 29:58
  And they brought interest bearing debt, but they didn't have kings. They had, as you put it, mafia,
• 30:04
  mafiosi leaders. And so these local
• 30:09
  chieftains and later warlords
• 30:11
  would take the practice of charging interest without the debt cancellation, and from the very beginning you didn't have the circular time anymore. You had a linear time and a linear time means you can't go back to the beginning, you can't have a clean slate, you can't wipe down the debts. We will come back to that. It is called Goldman Sachs, right?
• 30:30
  Unknown: When we come back we will continue our conversation about debt, peonage and forgiveness with author Michael Hudson.
• 30:40
  Welcome
• 30:41
  back to OnContact.
• 30:42
  We continue our conversation about debt forgiveness
• 30:45
  with author and professor
• 30:47
  Michael Hudson.
• 30:48
  Before I go into the German miracle, quote unquote miracle,
• 30:52
  you
• 30:54
  point out that the linguistic
• 30:56
  origins of the word
• 30:58
  sin
• 31:00
  Unknown: and debt are the same? They are the same not only in the Indo European languages,
• 31:05
  Schuld in
• 31:07
  German means
• 31:09
  either I am guilty or I owe money, but also in Hebrew and in Babylonian
• 31:14
  and all these languages.
• 31:15
  And the reason is that is not sinful to run a debt. Just the opposite. If you have created an offense, if you have killed somebody or injured them and you owe them money,
• 31:30
  instead of having a vindictive
• 31:34
  fight among families,
• 31:36
  a fine was levied. And the fine that was levied to make reparation
• 31:40
  for the injury that you have caused was called the shuld
• 31:44
  or the debt. So,
• 31:48
  the key of the debt and sin
• 31:51
  metonymy
• 31:51
  is not
• 31:54
  sin, it begins with it was a payment, it was a debt for having inflicted
• 31:59
  personal injury. In
• 32:02
  English, you call this wergelt.
• 32:04
  It was a Germanic word for injuring somebody, the man price.
• 32:08
  And in
• 32:10
  primitive society, the only kind of debts you really had were interpersonal
• 32:15
  debts
• 32:15
  for injury.
• 32:17
  And the idea was not to impoverish society at all, but to prevent feuds
• 32:23
  and feud justice
• 32:25
  from taking place. And even then, if somebody had committed
• 32:31
  a sin
• 32:32
  and they couldn't pay, they were exiled.
• 32:35
  But when a new king would come to power, the first thing the king would do would be to
• 32:39
  proclaim an amnesty.
• 32:41
  And the amnesty
• 32:42
  was let the exiles return because everybody needed population
• 32:46
  and
• 32:47
  they don't owe any money. So the amnesty that you find in all Indo European society,
• 32:53
  in
• 32:54
  Sumerian and Babylonian society, in Jewish society,
• 32:58
  all was the idea of amnesty,
• 33:01
  meaning we've got to have a clean slate. We can't just
• 33:04
  let people either be exiled or fall into poverty or fall into debt slavery.
• 33:10
  We've got to restore freedom. And that's why they were called either
• 33:14
  economic liberty acts,
• 33:16
  because they liberated everyone from the sin of payment
• 33:21
  obligation,
• 33:22
  or they were just called restorations of order. You restore
• 33:27
  order so society can take place without all of these
• 33:31
  problems from the past.
• 33:33
  You had a it was like a New Year celebration, although it was different. And everybody would have a big celebration and the new king would take the throne, there would be a coronation ceremony and everything would be fine again and you could start the whole cycle
• 33:46
  Unknown: all over again. But as you point out, Western society becomes linear.
• 33:50
  Ancient society was cyclical like Asian society. Yep.
• 33:54
  Like Greek, ancient Greece thought of time as cyclical.
• 33:58
  So in the linear society whereas as you said, in essence these debts no matter how far they go back, look at Haiti, didn't pay off its debt till 1944.
• 34:07
  Unknown: Yep. That was a The
• 34:09
  Unknown: only successful slave revolt in human history. Yep. And
• 34:14
  and so this understanding
• 34:16
  of restoring the equilibrium
• 34:18
  is gone and yet we have
• 34:21
  modern examples
• 34:22
  of how debt forgiveness
• 34:25
  is
• 34:26
  economically
• 34:28
  beneficial
• 34:29
  and that's Germany. Yes.
• 34:31
  Unknown: When the allies
• 34:33
  took over and reformed Germany in 1947,
• 34:36
  1948,
• 34:39
  the first thing they did was cancel all the debts. And that was easy because the debts were owed to people who had been Nazis during the war. So, they canceled all the debts except the debts that employers owed to their workforce
• 34:51
  and except
• 34:52
  for basic working balances in the banks. And this was called the German economic miracle.
• 34:58
  Any country can have an economic miracle by canceling the debts because imagine how
• 35:05
  much Americans could afford
• 35:07
  to buy if they didn't have to pay their debts. If you didn't have the student loan debt and the mortgage debt and all the debts that you mentioned earlier,
• 35:15
  imagine how many goods and services they could buy.
• 35:18
  A You'd
• 35:20
  recovery, you'd have an economic boom. And the reason you're having a
• 35:25
  recession
• 35:26
  of labor right now is because so much more and more money has to be paid for debt service that people don't have enough money to buy the goods and services that employ labor. So wages
• 35:37
  really are not going up very much. Stores are closing
• 35:41
  all over New York City certainly.
• 35:43
  And
• 35:44
  this is the price that we pay for
• 35:48
  pretending that equilibrium is paying all of your debts and equilibrium
• 35:53
  is not paying your debts. You cannot have
• 35:57
  economic balance if the debts keep mounting up and up and up at compound interest. And the Babylonians recognized this. In the second millennium B. C, we have their economic models. And the economic model, the mathematical models the Babylonians used are superior to any mathematical model used today in any university
• 36:17
  because the model was quite simple. On the one hand, they calculated
• 36:21
  how fast does the debt grow at compound interest.
• 36:24
  Then they calculated how fast do herds of animals grow and it's an S curve, it tapers off. How fast does the economy grow? And you can very easily see that the debts grow faster than the economy and if you don't cancel the debts, then the whole economy is going to fall into debt to a creditor class
• 36:43
  and
• 36:44
  is going to fall apart.
• 36:46
  And today,
• 36:47
  people will forecast
• 36:49
  GDP,
• 36:50
  how is it growing, how is the economy growing, but they don't look at debt and they don't say, wait a minute, if the debt is growing,
• 36:56
  how are people going to pay
• 36:58
  interest charges on this debt and amortization
• 37:01
  and penalty rates that are larger than interest and at the same time buy goods and services? It's so obvious that there is a contradiction in this
• 37:09
  that people get Nobel Prizes for saying, let's assume the whole economy operates on barter,
• 37:15
  and there's no debt, no credit, we're not going to talk about debt, we're not going to talk about money. And so
• 37:22
  the economic models that are taught in the universities
• 37:25
  are as if we're in a barter economy without debt, and that's why
• 37:29
  they're wrong all the time. Well, government debt alone within ten years will be a trillion dollars on just paying interest. Uh-huh. Just interest. Yes. The government hasn't it doesn't have to run into debt. It can simply print the money as occurred
• 37:44
  in the civil war with the greenback. All this borrowing is unnecessary.
• 37:48
  So basically,
• 37:50
  in the creditor run society,
• 37:51
  they say, first of all,
• 37:53
  you have to cut our taxes so you don't have money. And now that you've cut our taxes and you're running a deficit, you have to borrow the money from us and pay us interest instead of printing the money yourself.
• 38:04
  Unknown: What are the consequences? I mean, it
• 38:07
  seems that we are very far down this road.
• 38:11
  What
• 38:12
  are the consequences of not addressing
• 38:15
  Unknown: the seizure of power by global creditors? Well, you have an example in front of you in Greece and in Europe. Europe, the Eurozone
• 38:23
  is being turned into a dead zone because number one, the government doesn't run deficits to spend money into the economy. That means that the only money that Europeans can get have to be borrowed from the banks at rising interest rates and more and more interest has to be paid, so the governments
• 38:40
  have to pay by selling off the public domain and privatizing it all, Thatcherism,
• 38:46
  and the companies have to pay more and more credit, so they can't afford to reinvest in a capital investment.
• 38:53
  You have basically
• 38:55
  the road to stagnation.
• 38:56
  And that's the road that The United States is taking
• 39:00
  ever since President Obama
• 39:02
  decided to save the banks, not the economy. Something
• 39:06
  has to give if the economy can't pay the debts.
• 39:09
  2008,
• 39:12
  either
• 39:13
  Unknown: Let me just interject by saying that you were one of the few economists
• 39:16
  who saw 2008
• 39:17
  Unknown: coming. Using the Babylonian model.
• 39:21
  It was obvious that if
• 39:22
  he jumped mortgage loans, Obama
• 39:25
  had promised to write down the loans to the ability to pay. But then he called the creditors to the White House, the bankers, and said, Don't worry, I'm the only guy standing between you and the mob with pitchforks.
• 39:37
  Hillary called them
• 39:39
  deplorables, but Obama called his voters the mob with pitchforks. And he said, my loyalty is with you. You know, I'm going to stand by you. And he left the debts in place. He didn't write them down. And the result is
• 39:51
  the economy has been moving into stagnation ever since because it's carrying this huge debt burden that is preventing people from using the income they earn to buy goods and services. But you wouldn't have see CNN and they'll tell you the economy is booming. It is booming for the 1%.
• 40:07
  And when economists talk about the economy, they talk about Wall Street. To them, the economy is the banks. To a banker, the economy is the banks. But to a debtor,
• 40:18
  they're saying, wait a minute, you may call us deplorables, but that's because we have to pay all the money for our junk mortgages,
• 40:25
  for high priced housing that are bid up by the banks, for the student loans,
• 40:30
  can't do it.
• 40:31
  So the question is, are you going to look at the economy from the vantage point of the creditors or the debtors? And in antiquity,
• 40:39
  the rulers of the Near East looked at the economy in terms of the debtors because you needed them to serve in the army, you needed them to pay taxes,
• 40:47
  and the creditors'
• 40:49
  political program was not to pay taxes and to
• 40:54
  make loans and take the cultivators
• 40:56
  as their own
• 40:58
  servants,
• 41:00
  debt servants,
• 41:01
  and so they couldn't serve in the army. So it would have been economic and political and military suicide
• 41:07
  not to have canceled the debts in Babylonia.
• 41:10
  That's why it was so natural. That's why every single society,
• 41:14
  and I document in the book,
• 41:16
  every society canceled the debts.
• 41:19
  And yet,
• 41:20
  this is not brought out by, there hasn't been an economic history of antiquity except for the
• 41:26
  colloquia that we've published out of Harvard.
• 41:29
  Unknown: So,
• 41:30
  where is it going to go? I mean, there is certainly with the creditors in charge, which they are, you cannot vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs in the American political system. It doesn't matter whether it's Obama or Trump or Bush or anyone
• 41:42
  Unknown: What is that going to lead to? Well, is helpful to look at what happened with the Roman Empire. It is helpful to look at what happened in Greece,
• 41:50
  or Latvia,
• 41:51
  or Portugal, or Spain, or Italy. They are all debt strapped. There's unemployment rising, there's immigration,
• 41:58
  people have to leave the country in order to get a job,
• 42:01
  the population
• 42:03
  is declining,
• 42:05
  the number of children, the reproduction rates are declining. You have exactly the same shrinkage that you had in the Roman Empire when the creditors also took over. And they tried militarily
• 42:16
  to make their colonies and
• 42:18
  countries conquered
• 42:20
  pay, but when there was no one else to conquer, the economy collapsed from within. And that in
• 42:27
  terms of the structure,
• 42:29
  that's the way we're going today. What's the difference then between
• 42:32
  Unknown: the crisis we're barreling towards now in 2008?
• 42:35
  Unknown: They look identical.
• 42:38
  Unknown: But but is the could we argue that,
• 42:41
  they can't lower interest rates anymore,
• 42:44
  and so the escape mechanism may not be there?
• 42:48
  Unknown: I don't see any escape mechanism. The lowering interest rates was simply to inflate real housing prices and the stock prices. That inflating
• 42:57
  the stock prices and lowering the interest rates means people can't get a safe way of saving for their retirement.
• 43:03
  So,
• 43:04
  and
• 43:05
  the pension funds go broke. So there go people's pensions. They are not going to be the old people are going to be suffering, especially,
• 43:12
  as in the case of Greece again,
• 43:14
  and as was the case in antiquity.
• 43:16
  So everywhere you look,
• 43:18
  in putting the interest of the creditors who are the 1%
• 43:21
  over the 99%,
• 43:23
  the economy is committing
• 43:25
  financial suicide.
• 43:27
  Unknown: Well, you did that in what was your book? The Host. Killing the Host. Killing the Host. Yes. Which is also Finance Capitalism is Taking Over Industrial Capitalism. Very important book. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. That was author and economist Michael Hudson
• 43:40
  who wrote, And Forgive Them Their Debts,
• 43:43
  Credit, and Redemption.
• 43:45
  Thanks. Thank you.
• 43:48
  Unknown: Well, I think you can understand why I wanted to play that today.
• 43:51
  Chris, you still there?
• 43:55
  He probably stepped away, maybe had it on mute listening.
• 43:58
  I'm I'll post that
• 44:00
  on, the show description today. Let me, tell you where I found it. I found it over on Michael Rivera's site. I believe the originating
• 44:08
  link here is investmentwatch.com.
• 44:13
  Yeah.
• 44:14
  Investmentwatchblog.com.
• 44:19
  Christopher Hedges,
• 44:20
  the
• 44:22
  journalist of some
• 44:24
  certainly repute here over the last few years. They've marginalized him like they have
• 44:30
  Gerald Celente and everybody else that comes out. Michael Pinto, all these guys are saying, well, I used to be on all these programs. They won't invite me on anymore.
• 44:40
  Of course, we know why.
• 44:43
  Christopher Hedge has been marginalized
• 44:45
  too. I think he was
• 44:47
  he was prominent as a more of a a reporter back in the Clinton.
• 44:52
  Clinton era.
• 44:54
  Jeez almighty. Hopefully, we're going into the anti Clinton era.
• 44:58
  Regardless,
• 44:59
  that economist
• 45:00
  name
• 45:01
  was Michael
• 45:02
  Hudson.
• 45:04
  I'm not familiar with him.
• 45:06
  As I said before we played the clip,
• 45:09
  I listened to it last night late before I went to bed
• 45:13
  and
• 45:15
  found a lot of the things he talked about there on my mind and so I wanted to play it today. I thought there were some things in there I'd never been exposed to before
• 45:25
  and I and there's a lot of information in that thirty minutes and I could tell by listening to it a second time.
• 45:32
  I got more out of it in in context
• 45:35
  listening to it just now with you guys. Most of you, I'm sure the first time. I'll post it over on the show description on Castbox today
• 45:44
  but if you want to go search it out, it's over on investmentwatchblog.com.
• 45:52
  Hey, Shane. How you doing out in Silicon Valley today?
• 45:57
  Unknown: Hello, Roger. Thanks for posting that.
• 46:00
  That's
• 46:01
  very intriguing information.
• 46:03
  Unknown: He had a lot of stuff in there. He he he covered a lot of ground, okay? In in several really key areas that
• 46:12
  we particularly pay attention to here
• 46:15
  And so when you get new information like that from a reliable source that's got the historical
• 46:21
  documents that he's been studying for twenty years,
• 46:25
  you know, you kind of listen. You know, it's like, remember when we were younger in the that TV commercial, EF Hutton, remember they'd be all this big restaurant and all of a sudden, everything it just go quiet and when EF Hutton speaks, people listen. Well, when this guy speaks, you ought to be listening, alright?
• 46:43
  And I I'd like to get a hold of his book. I'm sure we'll discuss it more tomorrow especially with some of the biblical things that he
• 46:53
  talked about in their connections and
• 46:56
  perspectives I've never
• 46:58
  even considered before. So, I'm sure Brent's going to have a few things to say about it but I'll post it today.
• 47:05
  I think that you'll want to probably
• 47:08
  go back and and watch it yourself. The book is called and forgive them for their debts.
• 47:16
  Lending. God, I was killing.
• 47:18
  Unknown: Pardon me, Shane? Killing the I
• 47:20
  Unknown: thought I was killing the host. Well, there were evidently he's written more than than one book.
• 47:26
  Killing the Host was a previous book from the impression I got because this one, the latest one is called and forgive them for their debts,
• 47:35
  colon,
• 47:36
  lending foreclosure,
• 47:38
  and redemption
• 47:39
  from from Bronze Age Finance
• 47:42
  to the Jubilee Year. Evidently, that's the title of the book.
• 47:47
  So, anyway, well,
• 47:50
  I I know we got a few see what a few. Close
• 47:54
  to top of second hour but
• 47:57
  as as I said, I was so impressed with him.
• 48:02
  With his stature and his background
• 48:05
  and with the information that he presented there,
• 48:09
  I wanted to just go ahead and play the video instead of just talking about it
• 48:13
  and telling you guys to go watch it on your own.
• 48:17
  So,
• 48:18
  that's a that's an excellent resource. I'll I'm sure we'll delve into that more.
• 48:24
  Unknown: Yeah and spread it out.
• 48:26
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's he's there
• 48:29
  were several things that really caught my ear in there and I because I'm sitting here watching the video. You guys just heard the audio
• 48:37
  But he was talking about he he
• 48:39
  gave him the accolades for predicting the two thousand and eight financial crisis.
• 48:45
  And he said yeah it was easy. I will use the Babylonian
• 48:48
  model.
• 48:49
  And I thought, well, hell, guess what? They used the Babylonian model too except they knew what they were doing and nobody else did in the economic range except this guy and the the guy, the big short guys and you know, a few other people
• 49:04
  and it's funny. I can remember back then, Shane, 2003
• 49:09
  is when they really started
• 49:12
  pumping that bubble.
• 49:14
  And and and if people remember back about fifteen, seventeen years ago and the one thing that always comes to my mind when I think about it, I was that series of commercials and they must have ran the damn things
• 49:28
  three or three times or more an hour, okay?
• 49:32
  DieTech.
• 49:34
  Remember DieTech?
• 49:36
  And they and they'd have the commercial where the, oh, damn. I lost another one to DieTech. You know, that kind of thing?
• 49:43
  Well, that when when that whole thing went under, there was
• 49:47
  28 of those companies
• 49:51
  they were all under one umbrella company and they all went bankrupt in the same day.
• 49:58
  Unknown: Wow.
• 50:00
  I'm in awe.
• 50:02
  Unknown: I did, I remember, you know, and as you look back and you can start putting these things together and I knew what they were doing. I knew that when they're throwing money around like that and giving those no doc loans and here, let's see. Can can you frost this mirror?
• 50:18
  Oh, you can frost this mirror. How about this mortgage here?
• 50:21
  Okay? And when they're going to those tactics and links right there, they're they're pumping bubbles, alright? And I recognize it. I try and I tried to get my mother to sell our family home back in that time and she wouldn't and she wouldn't have any part of listening
• 50:37
  to it. I and she wishes like hell she'd listen to me now, okay?
• 50:41
  There's no way in, you know, in in general, you know, long time is going to be worth what we could've sold it for back in about 04/05/2006.
• 50:52
  But that's water under the bridge, lessons learned
• 50:55
  are like bridges burned,
• 50:58
  Shane.
• 50:59
  You only have to learn them but once.
• 51:06
  Unknown: So I have a question then, Roger. Good. I love questions.
• 51:10
  How do you feel about the,
• 51:13
  the Dow? Do you think it's gonna increase or decrease?
• 51:17
  Unknown: Mm-mm. I don't really care as much about the Dow as
• 51:21
  I care about the increase in the price of gold and the cyber coins.
• 51:26
  Now, there is some correlation there and it's interesting that you asked the question
• 51:31
  because I was noticing right before the show and let me refresh this
• 51:35
  here but I don't know if you noticed it or not or if you pay attention to these things but the price of gold went over $12.60
• 51:44
  today and
• 51:47
  what what has been what
• 51:49
  is what is unusual
• 51:51
  is here as of late,
• 51:54
  the Dow and the price of gold have been moving in tandem.
• 51:59
  When one would go up, the other would go up and that's pretty uncharacteristic
• 52:04
  of their general relationship,
• 52:06
  okay? But today,
• 52:08
  gold is up and it's back up around approaching $12.65.
• 52:13
  It got up towards that area
• 52:15
  but the Dow is down $3.00 7. So, they're moving in opposite directions today. There's a lot of very interesting things going on from what happened yesterday evidently.
• 52:25
  There's a flight out of the stock market
• 52:28
  and into
• 52:29
  the bond market.
• 52:30
  So, people are pulling some of their money out of equities and sticking em over in the bond market
• 52:36
  evidently from what I can see and the bond market is going up here especially the last two days but gold is up and that's
• 52:45
  one of the real good canary in the coal mines.
• 52:49
  I don't pay as much. Yeah,
• 52:51
  I don't pay as much attention to silver. I probably ought to be looking at it too but I just mainly
• 52:57
  concentrate on gold. Some people say that the silver will lead gold in the spike that's coming but they'll they'll pretty much go in tandem. I think people especially the big money people that are that don't understand what's really going on. Some of the institutional investors,
• 53:15
  etcetera, etcetera.
• 53:17
  They are they'll always look at gold in times like these because it's historical.
• 53:27
  So,
• 53:28
  I think those of us who hold Carrot Bar coins
• 53:31
  are going to be real pleased
• 53:33
  as this gold price spikes. It's going to get to some level. It's going to turn up and
• 53:39
  they'll fight it every step of the way obviously
• 53:42
  but we're still going to start to see some of those upward moves and we got a very interesting year ahead of us next year. Chris, what'd you think of my little video there?
• 53:51
  Unknown: Well, I thought that was most intriguing, enlightening,
• 53:55
  educational, and informational at this particular time of the year, and that jubilee concept of debt forgiveness that often discharge
• 54:03
  is,
• 54:04
  preserved in the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and some of the other, laws that we have today. So it appears there is nothing new
• 54:13
  Unknown: under the sun. Well, you could see. I know there was something new under the sun here of a couple of years ago as they reformulated
• 54:20
  the bankruptcy act and the bankruptcy laws and
• 54:24
  intentionally
• 54:25
  excluded student loan debt.
• 54:29
  Unknown: That
• 54:29
  was rather special and noteworthy. And for Shane,
• 54:34
  I really have to caution that we're on the cusp
• 54:39
  of the huge pop of this incredible bubble of deception that they've blown up and
• 54:45
  held up and patched up duct tape, bubble gum, and anything else, baling wire, they could try to create the pretext that things are reliable when they're anything other than. Well, I I would float the idea that the pop has already happened
• 55:00
  Unknown: and that what you're seeing is the after effects
• 55:03
  and we'll continue to see everything start turning down. Now, you gotta remember and
• 55:09
  many of us have
• 55:11
  a natural tendency, I think,
• 55:13
  to think in of things like this in terms of black and white.
• 55:18
  Like, it's going to be this way yesterday and this way tomorrow
• 55:22
  And it doesn't happen like that in this area evidenced by
• 55:26
  the stock market crash was in October
• 55:29
  1929
• 55:30
  and the bankruptcy wasn't declared until 03/09/1933.
• 55:36
  Okay?
• 55:37
  So, we've got but the advantage that we've really got here is we know what's happening. We understand the structure
• 55:44
  and we've got prior knowledge.
• 55:46
  We've got, as I've said a number of times,
• 55:49
  what we've all got collectively and what I strive to put out there as much as possible
• 55:54
  and invite anybody who wants to, you know, call in and and discuss aspects of it. But what we've got is what every
• 56:02
  successful conqueror in the history of the world has ever had and that no matter when they lived and that is you had a spy in the enemy's camp. You know what's coming. We
• 56:13
  know what's coming. It's a foregone conclusion.
• 56:16
  You just heard this notable economist
• 56:19
  who spent an entire career studying this stuff,
• 56:23
  twenty years of which they studied the actual old documents
• 56:26
  to the point where they could tell you on a percentage basis how many of the court cases that came to court dealt with loans that were made from individuals or arrears
• 56:39
  that were owed to government.
• 56:42
  Now, we've never had access to that kind of information before with that
• 56:47
  amount of precision.
• 56:51
  Unknown: Those who refuse
• 56:53
  to learn the lessons from the past are doomed to repeat them. Well, I, you know what, you know how John said that?
• 57:01
  Unknown: I think I've said it before.
• 57:03
  He said, those who do learn their lessons from the past
• 57:07
  can invoke them over those who don't and half the time.
• 57:14
  Unknown: Nice.
• 57:19
  Unknown: It's
• 57:19
  a very silly of point.
• 57:22
  Unknown: Pretty
• 57:23
  accurate.
• 57:25
  As I said, the guy said, he complimented him on calling the o eight crisis. So, I used the Babylonian debt model and I sat here and chuckled to myself and so did they.
• 57:37
  Indeed. I'm sure they did. They're a very devious group. I mean, man, when when you put this in a historical context and you can look back from the information that he brought us
• 57:48
  and and overlay and I mean, come on, man. These guys are just absolute. Well, as as as again, John, quote John Benson, the late John Benson,
• 57:58
  they know history
• 57:59
  and they know the Bible one hell of a lot better than we do.
• 58:08
  Unknown: Wow.
• 58:12
  Unknown: So, that's what we try and do is search out this old information.
• 58:16
  I gotta, you know, here at the end of the year, I guess, I I think that
• 58:22
  I think that we're doing some real cutting edge work here through the program and through the listeners and the things we're finding out. We've got we've got had all kinds of cutting edge stuff on here in the last year. First people to know, to my knowledge to bring C 60 to any any kind of a wider type audience.
• 58:39
  We've we've got Brian Howard and what he's uncovered with this birth certificate stuff. Absolute total new ground in the Patriot area.
• 58:48
  There in my entire time in this as involved as I've been and most of you, Chris, you too, we've never had that information
• 58:55
  that when you come out of the womb, they take this piece of paper and go over and do it in this vital statistics thing.
• 59:02
  That's and put it in a safe that is armed by armed guards.
• 59:10
  We've never had that information before.
• 59:12
  What that tells you is what the system is, okay?
• 59:16
  That
• 59:17
  this stuff with the common law birth certificate.
• 59:20
  Nobody's ever really plowed that ground to any extent before. That's new. Now, we're, you know, I mean, I I feel like we're really covering some real cutting edge ground here on basic proofs and understandings
• 59:33
  and
• 59:34
  we'll get the formula right and here down the line, don't know when, do know it's coming. At some point down the line,
• 59:43
  more people are gonna be interested in what we've got to say and the information we've got to convey
• 59:49
  and the sanity
• 59:51
  with which it brings them.
• 59:56
  Unknown: So in actuality,
• 59:58
  I believe
• 59:59
  in order to get out of the matrix, you need to get into it.
• 1:00:05
  I don't know how that really works but.
• 1:00:08
  Unknown: Well, I'm not sure how it works either, Shane, but I like getting out of it. I like being out of it, but that doesn't mean that you can't go back in and participate
• 1:00:16
  in it. It just means you have the option of getting back out of it and that those jurisdictional
• 1:00:22
  nexuses
• 1:00:24
  don't
• 1:00:25
  control you
• 1:00:26
  on a total
• 1:00:28
  247365
• 1:00:31
  in year time period.
• 1:00:33
  In other words, you're not a piece of property anymore.
• 1:00:36
  That's the most critical thing here is that you're not their property. They do not have a property right in you anymore
• 1:00:45
  once you file that paper.
• 1:00:50
  Unknown: Only in America.
• 1:00:52
  Unknown: No, it's this a global thing, man. I this is I I swear
• 1:00:56
  to god,
• 1:00:57
  it's the beast of revelation. It's mystery Babylon.
• 1:01:01
  It's what's talked about. So,
• 1:01:04
  in
• 1:01:05
  in non descript
• 1:01:07
  terms
• 1:01:08
  and labels there
• 1:01:10
  all through the last book of the of the basic instructions before leaving Earth.
• 1:01:18
  Unknown: Revelations 18?
• 1:01:20
  Unknown: Yes, sir. Well, that and the rest of the book too. I mean, what does he call it? The whore, the whore of Babylon, the beast of Babylon, mystery Babylon,
• 1:01:28
  all those labels are put on it.
• 1:01:31
  And and. Yeah. So, back then in Babylon,
• 1:01:34
  Babylon,
• 1:01:35
  if you go back to the what do they call those things were a concordance.
• 1:01:40
  If you go back to the concordance and you look under Babylon,
• 1:01:44
  Babylon was confusion.
• 1:01:47
  That's the word. You they. That's
• 1:01:49
  right. Confused Zion.
• 1:01:51
  And that's the word you associate with Babylon, right? Well, why was Babylon in confusion? Because they all spoke different languages.
• 1:02:01
  Alright?
• 1:02:02
  Well, now, we've got mystery
• 1:02:04
  Babylon.
• 1:02:06
  So, we've got confusion with people speaking, speaking different languages
• 1:02:11
  but what you don't know is the languages, the difference that they're speaking is legal and colloquial
• 1:02:17
  and you've got a whole system that's a mystery to people because they don't understand these mysteries of this legal language that's been twisted and turned and had opposite definitions imputed into words.
• 1:02:29
  There's the mystery to me in mystery Babylon.
• 1:02:38
  Unknown: Wow.
• 1:02:40
  Unknown: You see, that's the thing about this information,
• 1:02:43
  Shane, that's so powerful is it allows you to answer all the questions.
• 1:02:51
  I mean, you can take the tools we teach here. Those basics of law and when you understand that word person, the fact that which it's where your your rights are signed and your duties owed and you get some of these other basic words right, you can plow through any of their laws and not be tricked.
• 1:03:08
  The right there is your basic tools in the toolbox
• 1:03:12
  to undo the structure of control that they put over you.
• 1:03:17
  Unknown: There are two forms
• 1:03:19
  person. One, the natural man.
• 1:03:22
  Yes. Person and
• 1:03:24
  the dead corporate fictitious entity
• 1:03:26
  Unknown: posed as a corporate. Well, hold on. It's not just a corporate person. It can be a trust. It could be a partnership, general, or limited. It can be an LLC.
• 1:03:35
  See, we get to exclusionary
• 1:03:37
  on this corporate. What they've made us corporations. That's not true.
• 1:03:41
  If they've made you a damn piece of property,
• 1:03:44
  they've got a property ownership right in you, okay? Now, what Chris is talking about and referred to in the law and this is what John taught us is that the reason that they call
• 1:03:57
  human persons,
• 1:03:59
  individuals,
• 1:04:00
  is because that separation of person
• 1:04:03
  where you receive your rights and to whom you owe your duties
• 1:04:07
  are always in the same
• 1:04:10
  entity
• 1:04:11
  when it's a person.
• 1:04:13
  When it's a human person, the rights and the duties are always in the same entity.
• 1:04:19
  As opposed to, for example, with a corporation,
• 1:04:22
  the rights and the duties are separated,
• 1:04:26
  okay? The corporation has the right to go out and do all this stuff but you can't do anything but find a corporation. You can't put it in jail. You could probably yank its charter but before they do that, they separate the duties because if whatever the offense is heinous enough, they can penetrate the corporate veil and now they go after the board of directors.
• 1:04:48
  So, the duties and the rights in a corporation are not in the same entity.
• 1:04:56
  Unknown: Conniving.
• 1:04:58
  Unknown: Well, no. This is just basic legal stuff. That's why, you know, the talk that I've had several people comment on and I guess I should comment on it a little bit here too.
• 1:05:08
  The science of law and it's on YouTube. I did that show years ago. Somebody stuck it up there. I didn't do it but I've had people find the show because they stumbled on it on YouTube
• 1:05:20
  and and we're it was so provocative to em and so eye opening that they searched up the program and called in, okay?
• 1:05:27
  But
• 1:05:28
  I I had a request from one of the listeners to put the two shows I did on that very topic here on our platform.
• 1:05:37
  Let me clear my throat for a second.
• 1:05:41
  On our platform
• 1:05:43
  a while back and I went to look for em to stick em over on cast box
• 1:05:47
  and
• 1:05:48
  Paul had had to clean out the archives
• 1:05:51
  and I couldn't find the shows. So, if I can get my hands on those shows, I'm going to stick em up on cast box because those are real real good shows on this very minutia,
• 1:06:01
  Shane, that you're talking about is these little tidbits of information that why is an individual, a human person always referred to as an individual in the law. It's because the rights and the duties are inseparable in the same entity.
• 1:06:19
  So, but I but I guarantee you, you ain't going to ever find any any patriot that knows that or any hardly any attorney either because they just don't teach it in law school anymore.
• 1:06:30
  I thought I had somebody join us here and they're not there. Somebody must have called in the wrong number and
• 1:06:37
  beat the hell out of Dodge when they heard heard us talk about all that stuff. So, that's why all that stuff's so important, Shane. It is to learn those basics and the minutia because that little one factoid information right there can open up vistas of understanding to you that are clouded up by our patriot communities.
• 1:06:58
  Lack of knowledge, really?
• 1:07:00
  I mean, I'm not putting myself out as some, you know, great teachers just that I was fortunate enough to
• 1:07:07
  study under somebody who was.
• 1:07:10
  Unknown: And in their convoluted war art word term world,
• 1:07:15
  the word term individual,
• 1:07:18
  and I think it's under the privacy act definitions where they hide a lot of the definitions they use in the other acts of deception
• 1:07:26
  Unknown: means a fourteenth amendment US citizen. Well, I don't know how. You see. Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  You know, listen. That's why I try and stress the conceptual side of this because of all that that they do right there and it doesn't matter how they've turned it around or what it looks like. If you understand the concept,
• 1:07:45
  you understand what's going on and they can't override
• 1:07:48
  that because that's basic recognized
• 1:07:51
  legal concepts
• 1:07:53
  for thousands of years.
• 1:07:55
  They can twist it, turn it, change it, try and redefine it, do all of the they do but they can't change that back to those original concepts and the proof of the pudding of that is when people have submitted an affidavit to the Secretary of State. Not one in seven years has been rebutted or denied. Not one to my knowledge.
• 1:08:17
  Unknown: Now, they've been. Your point is, well, because
• 1:08:20
  if you rebut,
• 1:08:23
  deny, aber, and rebuke all their assertions,
• 1:08:27
  presumptions,
• 1:08:28
  and assumptions,
• 1:08:30
  Unknown: they are left with nothing to hold over. They got you. Because you The only thing they've got, Chris and I mentioned it the other day.
• 1:08:38
  The biggest defense they've got is that BS bluff letter they send out.
• 1:08:44
  That's their biggest defense.
• 1:08:48
  Unknown: I got one.
• 1:08:50
  Unknown: You got a what? Defense?
• 1:08:53
  I got a bluff letter. Oh, yeah. Well, with the, there's only a small percentage of people that got em but they tried that for a while as I guess a last ditch. They didn't do it initially.
• 1:09:05
  They waited a couple of years before they started sending some of those out.
• 1:09:10
  So, you know that finally, they're back there going, what are we going to do about this? Well, we'll do this and they send out this letter where it's not the same letter every time but it's the same first paragraph every time.
• 1:09:25
  Unknown: It appears
• 1:09:28
  Unknown: It appears by what you've submitted. Well, it appears to who? To Edomite,
• 1:09:34
  damn, lie, and slave, and thief?
• 1:09:36
  Well, I don't care what it appears like to some fraudster.
• 1:09:39
  I care what it appears like
• 1:09:43
  historically,
• 1:09:44
  lawfully,
• 1:09:46
  and legally.
• 1:09:48
  There,
• 1:09:50
  Brandeis Law School graduate.
• 1:09:54
  Unknown: I
• 1:09:57
  Unknown: think that when when we when we get this thing turned around, we ought to
• 1:10:01
  seize the Brandeis Law School and make it a Christian college.
• 1:10:07
  Unknown: Abbeville.
• 1:10:10
  Unknown: What type of Christian college? One that preaches
• 1:10:14
  Unknown: true gospel instead of Edomite
• 1:10:16
  legally is So,
• 1:10:20
  gold's still popping around 12:60
• 1:10:22
  and
• 1:10:23
  we're now down 348
• 1:10:26
  on the Dow.
• 1:10:27
  Unknown: So. I'm curious. Time is nine one one.
• 1:10:31
  Do
• 1:10:32
  do
• 1:10:33
  Unknown: what, Chris? What about nine one one?
• 1:10:36
  Unknown: I said, curiously, the time when you said that was nine one one. Okay.
• 1:10:40
  Unknown: Well, though, oh, out there in Vegas, Vegas land.
• 1:10:44
  Okay, let's see here. Before we ran out, run out of too much time because these are so somewhat lengthy articles. This first one is pretty interesting but I I'll just go ahead and read a little bit of it. This is what I've been promoting all week on low
• 1:10:57
  Saturnalia,
• 1:10:58
  the Roman Roots of Christmas.
• 1:11:01
  Have you ever heard this stuff before?
• 1:11:03
  Shane, I I don't believe I'd ever heard this before. So, it was interesting to me and I think you guys will find it interesting also.
• 1:11:12
  Christmas, Hanukkah,
• 1:11:14
  Kwanzaa,
• 1:11:15
  whatever your reason for the season,
• 1:11:18
  most of the December holiday traditions that we celebrate today can be traced back to the ancient Roman holiday of Saturnalia.
• 1:11:27
  With her healthy dose of inspiration also
• 1:11:31
  coming from the Vikings
• 1:11:33
  in parenthesis
• 1:11:34
  from tree decorations,
• 1:11:36
  wreaths, ornaments,
• 1:11:38
  bows of holly,
• 1:11:41
  caroling,
• 1:11:42
  and it says in parenthesis and I'll get to this later, albeit with more clothes
• 1:11:47
  and less rude songs these days.
• 1:11:50
  Gift giving and
• 1:11:52
  even gingerbread
• 1:11:54
  men. Most of what we identify as Christmas
• 1:11:57
  has roots going back thousands of years.
• 1:12:01
  So, what was Saturnalia?
• 1:12:05
  The fact is the Romans loved festivals
• 1:12:09
  and
• 1:12:09
  officially,
• 1:12:11
  Saturnalia
• 1:12:14
  commemorated
• 1:12:14
  the winter solstice as well as honoring Saturn,
• 1:12:18
  the god of agriculture,
• 1:12:20
  wealth, and liberation.
• 1:12:22
  Most Roman holidays
• 1:12:24
  were never
• 1:12:25
  confined to a single day and Saturnalia
• 1:12:29
  was a week long celebration
• 1:12:32
  lasting from the seventeenth
• 1:12:34
  to either the twenty third or maybe the December
• 1:12:37
  24.
• 1:12:39
  Those little orgies they had described by the Latin poet,
• 1:12:45
  Catullus,
• 1:12:46
  as
• 1:12:47
  the best of days, unquote.
• 1:12:50
  It was the most popular holiday of the Russian calendar, attested
• 1:12:55
  only by the fact that many of its traditions
• 1:12:59
  still survive
• 1:13:01
  to this day.
• 1:13:03
  Its exact date of origin is unknown, though references
• 1:13:07
  to the holiday are made as early as fourth century BC.
• 1:13:13
  Like other holidays and festivals
• 1:13:15
  at its core,
• 1:13:17
  Saturnalia
• 1:13:18
  was a religious
• 1:13:20
  observance albeit
• 1:13:22
  most of the religious aspects
• 1:13:24
  were the only observed
• 1:13:26
  on the first day.
• 1:13:29
  Saturnalia began on the December 17 at the Temple Of Saturn on Capitol
• 1:13:36
  Hill.
• 1:13:37
  Oh, excuse me, Capitoline,
• 1:13:40
  Capitoline
• 1:13:41
  Hill.
• 1:13:43
  Uh-huh.
• 1:13:45
  Same same. I guess that's one of those there in seven hills of Rome.
• 1:13:49
  The emperor
• 1:13:51
  consuls,
• 1:13:52
  prominent senators,
• 1:13:54
  as well as members of the nobility
• 1:13:57
  would be in attendance. Much of the public was also gathered
• 1:14:01
  around to watch and wait for the commencement of the festivities.
• 1:14:07
  The feet of the statue of Saturn
• 1:14:10
  were wrapped in woolen strips
• 1:14:12
  which
• 1:14:13
  were removed for the festival.
• 1:14:16
  Fertility rituals and sacrifices
• 1:14:19
  were made after which either the emperor
• 1:14:22
  or consuls would turn to the crowd and shout, low
• 1:14:27
  Saturnalia.
• 1:14:29
  The celebration
• 1:14:31
  could now begin.
• 1:14:34
  Low Saturnalia
• 1:14:35
  in the world turned upside down.
• 1:14:38
  Much like merry Christmas or happy holidays,
• 1:14:41
  the Romans had their own greetings of the season. The first words were pronounced either I, O, or Yo.
• 1:14:50
  I O or Yo.
• 1:14:52
  With both being deemed
• 1:14:54
  technically correct.
• 1:14:56
  Potato, potato.
• 1:14:59
  It could mean just about anything
• 1:15:01
  and was often
• 1:15:03
  shouted by revelers in the midst of committing acts
• 1:15:08
  of naughtiness.
• 1:15:11
  Of naughtiness. Silver. Hi, oh, oh, yo, silver.
• 1:15:16
  And so, during Saturday, all your courts, you'll like this, Chris.
• 1:15:21
  During Saturday, all your courts were suspended
• 1:15:23
  as were many laws.
• 1:15:26
  Roles were also usually
• 1:15:29
  reversed
• 1:15:30
  with slaves becoming masters
• 1:15:32
  and the masters having to serve them.
• 1:15:36
  The extent of this varied
• 1:15:38
  from house to house.
• 1:15:40
  It is most likely that while servants did not
• 1:15:44
  have their own formal banquet with the master serving them,
• 1:15:49
  the well that they did, the food was already prepared. In other words, masters didn't prepare the food.
• 1:15:55
  Not all emperors were so enthusiastic
• 1:15:58
  about the week of mischief.
• 1:16:01
  This rather stoic
• 1:16:03
  Augustus,
• 1:16:04
  the rather stoic Augustus attempted to have Saturnalia
• 1:16:08
  reduced
• 1:16:09
  to a single day.
• 1:16:12
  Even the notorious
• 1:16:14
  party animal Caligula
• 1:16:16
  tried to reduce the celebrations to three days
• 1:16:21
  because Saturnalia
• 1:16:22
  was so universally popular,
• 1:16:24
  neither of these attempts met with any sort of success.
• 1:16:29
  In the end, both Augustus
• 1:16:30
  and Caligula
• 1:16:31
  were obliged to yield to the will
• 1:16:35
  of the people.
• 1:16:37
  The week of naughtiness also saw a number of traditions,
• 1:16:41
  many of which can still carry on to this day. These include but are not limited to
• 1:16:47
  the Saturnalia
• 1:16:48
  tree, the wreath, and the bowels of Holly.
• 1:16:51
  The modern Christmas tree
• 1:16:54
  has origins in both Norse and Roman traditions
• 1:16:57
  while the Norsemen
• 1:16:59
  used evergreens
• 1:17:01
  as they were viewed as a symbol of eternal life.
• 1:17:05
  The Romans used just about any tree that was growing that they could cut.
• 1:17:13
  That doesn't say that. I added that and they also did
• 1:17:17
  not chop down the tree and place them in their homes.
• 1:17:21
  They came from Germany during the renaissance
• 1:17:25
  and had been attributed to Martin Luther. That came from Germany during the renaissance bringing him into your house.
• 1:17:33
  Because the winter solstice was about the rebirth of the sun,
• 1:17:37
  the sun god,
• 1:17:38
  soul,
• 1:17:39
  invictus,
• 1:17:41
  got his share of attention as well.
• 1:17:45
  Many of the ornaments decorating Saturnalia trees were the shape of stars or suns.
• 1:17:51
  Imagine of the
• 1:17:52
  double faced god, Janice,
• 1:17:55
  were also images of Janice were also popular as well as gold and silver
• 1:18:01
  colored
• 1:18:02
  orbs much
• 1:18:03
  like today.
• 1:18:07
  Food in particular cookies and shaped biscuits
• 1:18:10
  were also used to decorate trees.
• 1:18:13
  These were often shaped like suns, moons, children,
• 1:18:18
  sign of fertility,
• 1:18:19
  or animals, and yes,
• 1:18:21
  the Christmas gingerbread
• 1:18:23
  man
• 1:18:25
  also has Saturnalia
• 1:18:26
  origins.
• 1:18:29
  And while trees remained outdoors, people decorated their home with lots of greenery, symbols of life, fertility, and the harvest.
• 1:18:39
  Streamers of red and gold were often
• 1:18:42
  interlaced with these.
• 1:18:44
  Wreaths were also hung from doorways
• 1:18:46
  and from public buildings.
• 1:18:49
  Of interesting note, the hanging of mistletoe
• 1:18:53
  is actually a Nordic tradition
• 1:18:56
  that dates back to ancient Scandinavia
• 1:19:00
  and to the myth of Baldur.
• 1:19:03
  The burning of the Yule log
• 1:19:06
  is also Nordic
• 1:19:08
  as is the term Yule Tide
• 1:19:11
  which dates to ancient German
• 1:19:13
  paganism.
• 1:19:15
  People also decorated themselves with lots of greenery
• 1:19:19
  as well as copious amounts of costume jewelry
• 1:19:22
  like Mardi Gras, I guess. Laurel crowns were often worn by both men and women alike.
• 1:19:29
  Such dress and spectacle
• 1:19:32
  often roiled,
• 1:19:34
  rolled into the next
• 1:19:36
  ancient tradition.
• 1:19:38
  The singing of carols.
• 1:19:42
  Christmas caroling today is a far more subdued
• 1:19:46
  affair than it was in ancient Rome.
• 1:19:50
  During the Saturnalia
• 1:19:52
  week,
• 1:19:53
  groups of people would go from house to house beating drums,
• 1:19:57
  playing their pipes,
• 1:19:59
  and singing any number of songs.
• 1:20:02
  These carolers as they were called
• 1:20:05
  were usually drunk
• 1:20:07
  and were often naked.
• 1:20:10
  Often naked. Hell, they may take that tradition back up in our place if it didn't too cold. Sadly, the they're running around half naked now. Sadly, the practice of nude caroling
• 1:20:20
  has fallen out of favor in recent years.
• 1:20:24
  I blame it on the December climate in North America and much of Europe
• 1:20:29
  which makes naked
• 1:20:31
  prancing a less than merry
• 1:20:34
  experience.
• 1:20:35
  The giving of gifts on the third day of Saturnalia note, the third day, hey,
• 1:20:41
  that could be a song on the third day of Saturnalia.
• 1:20:46
  Somebody write that down.
• 1:20:48
  December 19 was the
• 1:20:51
  signal area.
• 1:20:53
  The term the
• 1:20:55
  signal area
• 1:20:57
  refers to pottery
• 1:20:59
  or wax figures
• 1:21:01
  that were often given as gifts.
• 1:21:04
  The term came.
• 1:21:06
  Yeah, the term came to encompass
• 1:21:08
  all Saturnalia presence
• 1:21:10
  not just wax figures and pottery.
• 1:21:14
  Despite the attempt to reduce Saturnalia
• 1:21:16
  to a single day,
• 1:21:19
  Emperor Augustus
• 1:21:20
  was quite fond of gagging
• 1:21:23
  gifts.
• 1:21:25
  As was Emperor
• 1:21:27
  Vestavius,
• 1:21:29
  the poet
• 1:21:31
  Marshall describes
• 1:21:32
  a variety of gifts given during the
• 1:21:35
  signal area.
• 1:21:37
  That's the gift giving within the big day. Much like today, they vary greatly between the
• 1:21:44
  cheap and the expensive. Some
• 1:21:47
  examples he listed
• 1:21:49
  include perfume,
• 1:21:50
  sausage, pipes,
• 1:21:53
  books,
• 1:21:54
  an axe,
• 1:21:55
  a parrot,
• 1:21:57
  tableware,
• 1:21:58
  cutlery, slaves,
• 1:22:00
  and exotic
• 1:22:02
  animals.
• 1:22:04
  Unknown: D, D,
• 1:22:06
  D.
• 1:22:07
  Unknown: It goes on and this kind of a lengthy article
• 1:22:10
  but
• 1:22:11
  it it it's pretty, I'll tell you what, I'll I'll I'll I'll stop reading about there. It goes on for a while and I'll stick it up in the show description today along with the
• 1:22:21
  with the interview there. What do you think about that, Chris? I'll breeze through here, see if there's anything else.
• 1:22:27
  Unknown: Well, Roger, I was finding it highly humorous that it was so on point apropos and
• 1:22:35
  hit me right between the eyes because I have a a friend of mine that I had gifted with
• 1:22:42
  surprisingly some perfume
• 1:22:44
  and a couple of little bubbles.
• 1:22:47
  And I also because she is
• 1:22:50
  about around my age and her children were concerned about her climbing up on ladders and
• 1:22:56
  cabinets and stuff to change light bulbs at her high ceiling that I
• 1:23:01
  being a astute electrician,
• 1:23:03
  I observed it would be apropos
• 1:23:06
  for her to have a light bulb changing stick,
• 1:23:10
  which is telescoping,
• 1:23:12
  which you can raise. And
• 1:23:14
  if you're shown how to operate, which I did,
• 1:23:17
  you can remove light bulbs high from the ceiling from the floor and not in danger of breaking something that takes a long time to repair when you get to be around our age and be safer and sensible
• 1:23:29
  about your
• 1:23:30
  home
• 1:23:31
  repair
• 1:23:33
  remedies and how you express them and how you keep yourself in one piece while you do it. Not to mention cheaper.
• 1:23:39
  Unknown: Not to mention cheaper on the financial budget.
• 1:23:43
  Unknown: And of course, the feast of Bacchus, the Bacchanal.
• 1:23:46
  Oh. As they call it, it is not
• 1:23:49
  foreign to these
• 1:23:51
  pagan or pagan
• 1:23:53
  practices
• 1:23:54
  that they implement
• 1:23:56
  to honor the fertility rights
• 1:23:59
  and the sun stall, the solstice as you call it, the feast day,
• 1:24:04
  signs in the sky that the sun stops for a momentary while it moves from the cold
• 1:24:13
  death of winter to the bright return of the shorter days. Now, you mentioned the Bacchus,
• 1:24:19
  Unknown: you mentioned Bacchus there brought to mind that at Mardi Gras, the one of the crews is those are social clubs in New Orleans.
• 1:24:27
  Is the crew of Bacchus
• 1:24:29
  and they're they represent the drunk and the revelry and all that stuff.
• 1:24:35
  Unknown: Yeah. They have some of those beast feast and some of that nudity and the throwing out of. Oh, they got a bunch of that.
• 1:24:42
  Unknown: You kidding me? Shiny things and coins and stuff. You kidding me in in in in New Orleans at Mardi Gras time?
• 1:24:49
  All the all the women pulling up their tops and showing their boobs and going throw me some beads. You know, they're all all the guys, all the guys on the floats, all the, of course, the ones that are showing their boobs get the beads, you know?
• 1:25:04
  The best breast in the West. No, there's there's no there's no nakedness and revelry down there.
• 1:25:10
  Here, this is this is a little further down in the story and it does interest us here particularly and this is how Saturnalia
• 1:25:17
  got intertwined with Christianity.
• 1:25:20
  So, the couple of paragraphs here. At at no time in the history of the early Christian church,
• 1:25:27
  was it ever thought that the birth of Christ took place
• 1:25:31
  on the December 25?
• 1:25:34
  Let me read that. At no time in the history of the early Christian church
• 1:25:39
  was it ever thought
• 1:25:42
  that the birth of Christ took place on December 25.
• 1:25:47
  In fact,
• 1:25:48
  Jesus's birthday was
• 1:25:50
  not celebrated
• 1:25:51
  at all until the mid fourth century. Now let me cough, and I'm gonna come back to this.
• 1:25:58
  Unknown: That's
• 1:26:00
  a
• 1:26:01
  I while you're coughing, I will again suggest people might find an intriguing and informative read
• 1:26:08
  of fossilized
• 1:26:09
  customs by Lou White,
• 1:26:12
  which has a very in-depth presentment of the emanations of these so called Christian
• 1:26:17
  feast days, which are really pagan feast days back to Santa Claus.
• 1:26:23
  Unknown: Sure are. Yep.
• 1:26:25
  Yep. Yep. They all seem to all have their roots there, don't they? The twelfth century Syrian
• 1:26:31
  bishop,
• 1:26:32
  Jacob
• 1:26:33
  Bar
• 1:26:34
  Salabi,
• 1:26:36
  records. Now, this is quoting the good Syrian bishop here.
• 1:26:40
  It was a custom of the pagans
• 1:26:43
  to celebrate on the same December 25, the birthday
• 1:26:48
  of the sun, S U N.
• 1:26:51
  At which they kindled lights
• 1:26:54
  in tokens
• 1:26:56
  of festivity.
• 1:26:58
  In these
• 1:27:00
  solemn
• 1:27:01
  entities
• 1:27:02
  and the revelries,
• 1:27:04
  the Christians
• 1:27:06
  also took part.
• 1:27:08
  Accordingly,
• 1:27:09
  when the doctor
• 1:27:11
  of the church perceived
• 1:27:13
  that the Christians
• 1:27:15
  had a leaning
• 1:27:17
  to this festival,
• 1:27:19
  they took counsel
• 1:27:21
  and resolved
• 1:27:22
  that the true nativity
• 1:27:25
  should be
• 1:27:26
  solemnized
• 1:27:27
  on that day, unquote.
• 1:27:32
  In other words, all of Christendom
• 1:27:35
  knew that Christ had not been born anywhere near
• 1:27:40
  December 25. However,
• 1:27:43
  since the Roman holidays of Saturnalia
• 1:27:46
  were still very popular,
• 1:27:48
  it was much easier,
• 1:27:50
  always convenience.
• 1:27:52
  Oh, much easier
• 1:27:54
  to merge the story of Jesus's birth with a celebration
• 1:27:59
  that had already existed for well over eight hundred years.
• 1:28:05
  And in actuality,
• 1:28:07
  Christmas
• 1:28:08
  only usurped
• 1:28:10
  dies
• 1:28:11
  Natalis,
• 1:28:12
  souls in victus
• 1:28:15
  with the church leader
• 1:28:17
  cleverly
• 1:28:17
  merging
• 1:28:18
  the sun king with Christ,
• 1:28:21
  the light of the world.
• 1:28:24
  All of this was actually common knowledge
• 1:28:28
  even through the eighteenth and the nineteenth
• 1:28:31
  centuries.
• 1:28:32
  It wasn't until the twentieth
• 1:28:36
  century
• 1:28:37
  that the masses started confusion,
• 1:28:40
  confusing
• 1:28:41
  December
• 1:28:42
  25 for Christ's
• 1:28:44
  actual
• 1:28:45
  birthday.
• 1:28:47
  Only in the twentieth century.
• 1:28:50
  Should this change anything for Christians? I wouldn't think so.
• 1:28:54
  One could think of it like how the British celebrate the queen's official birthday in June
• 1:29:01
  regardless of the actual date
• 1:29:04
  of the monarch's
• 1:29:05
  birth. So that's kinda interesting addition there, don't you think?
• 1:29:10
  Unknown: It's very interesting, Roger. You know, the the
• 1:29:15
  commercial
• 1:29:16
  war commercialization
• 1:29:18
  by the mercant haunt haunted by mercenaries
• 1:29:21
  of these pagan feast days posed as myth
• 1:29:27
  days
• 1:29:27
  to assimilate,
• 1:29:29
  aggregate, and to merge them together
• 1:29:32
  so that everybody's celebrating on the same day and effectually giving homage,
• 1:29:37
  honorarium to the same
• 1:29:39
  demon pagan gods
• 1:29:41
  posed as the Christ,
• 1:29:43
  ex mas, as it were,
• 1:29:46
  is a very, very deceitful
• 1:29:48
  deceived to believe the falsities and the lies of the pharisees.
• 1:29:53
  In fact, there was a hijacking of the Roman
• 1:29:57
  Catholic Christos
• 1:29:58
  Synagogue of Satan Church by the Caiaphas
• 1:30:03
  crowd
• 1:30:04
  in Vaticanus
• 1:30:05
  or Vatican two conferences
• 1:30:07
  I recall hearing recently.
• 1:30:10
  Unknown: Yeah, they hijacked it somewhere back then. I remember that
• 1:30:15
  Mel Gibson's father was all over that and you know, we've got some
• 1:30:19
  some good Catholic friends, John Casera being one of em. Another one somebody I really admire guy in Atlanta. I've known for thirty years
• 1:30:29
  devout Catholic but they understand these differences and how the church has been corrupted and all that. There was, you know, there's a story before I get over here if I hadn't. I might have gotten rid of it. Now, here it is right here.
• 1:30:43
  690
• 1:30:45
  clergy
• 1:30:46
  accused
• 1:30:47
  of child sex abuse.
• 1:30:51
  690
• 1:30:53
  just
• 1:30:54
  in Illinois.
• 1:30:57
  Unknown: Isn't that more Talmudic
• 1:30:59
  and Kabbalah
• 1:31:00
  Unknown: than it is Christo? Well, that's a course that's what they've done is they've corrupted the institution, the Jesuits run the whole show. You can see how sick the whole thing is from top to bottom. Just the other day and I don't think I had covered it on the show. I had this the
• 1:31:16
  story saved because it just
• 1:31:20
  what did what how did he phrase it? The pope came out and that said, we had an obligation
• 1:31:26
  to take in refugees.
• 1:31:30
  Migrants he called them which are really revolutionary cares. I'm I mean, I'm sorry. Excuse me. But that son of a that sits there and bends down and has people kiss his gold rings or they've got solid gold carriages underneath the Vatican
• 1:31:47
  with all on all the property, all a key property all over the freaking world. When you travel around the world and you get down especially in this part of the world and everywhere you go, each town's got a center square
• 1:32:01
  and at least half or the third or a quarter of that square is a Catholic church.
• 1:32:06
  They got the prime real estate all over all these places down here. They got all that gold. And that son of a is telling us that we got some moral duty to take in refugees.
• 1:32:18
  Well, he sends his clergy out out there molesting young boys all over the world and all these people were like in Columbia, the entire
• 1:32:27
  regimen, all the bishops, not Columbia, Chile. The all the bishops in the whole Catholic church, in the whole country resigned in mass in one day here a few months back.
• 1:32:39
  Unknown: It's not a mere coincidence that the black pope
• 1:32:42
  roglio
• 1:32:44
  is a
• 1:32:45
  juice of it. The first juice of it pope, juice soup pump
• 1:32:49
  ever in the cattle liquor church. Yeah. And he's ar
• 1:32:53
  Unknown: Significant time. He's Argentinian too.
• 1:32:56
  Hey, Gary. How you doing, man?
• 1:33:00
  Unknown: Hey, good morning. Good morning, Raj and Chris and Shane.
• 1:33:04
  Unknown: Yeah. It's Good morning. Quite a time. Did you catch did you catch that video I played there in the last hour?
• 1:33:12
  Unknown: Oh, I did. I did. Yeah. Thanks for that.
• 1:33:16
  But I
• 1:33:17
  I want to just put in
• 1:33:19
  a couple of, you know, my 2¢. And and, you know, you're talking about Christ's birthday and and when he was born and all. And and
• 1:33:29
  I was always raised to believe in the in the church that I was raised in that
• 1:33:35
  he was born in the fall
• 1:33:37
  and
• 1:33:39
  right at
• 1:33:40
  the feast of tabernacles.
• 1:33:42
  And and if you think about it, it says the sheep were grazing the field
• 1:33:47
  or the sheep or something. But anyway, the livestock were grazing
• 1:33:52
  out in the field, and that's that's the fall. It's a fall harvest.
• 1:33:55
  And in all likelihood, he was born on trumpets, feast of trumpets, high holy day.
• 1:34:00
  But
• 1:34:02
  but, anyway, it it
• 1:34:04
  yeah. It was total sabotage,
• 1:34:06
  and and then you have to throw in the nimrod factor.
• 1:34:09
  You know? And,
• 1:34:11
  of course, I had heard, you know,
• 1:34:13
  know, now December
• 1:34:15
  25 is is
• 1:34:17
  really
• 1:34:18
  I I understood to be a Nimrod's birthday, but who knows?
• 1:34:23
  There's some sort of connection there.
• 1:34:26
  Unknown: So I've heard that. I've I've heard that too. I've
• 1:34:31
  heard that too, What,
• 1:34:34
  Unknown: Chris? Yes. Yeah.
• 1:34:36
  Unknown: I was mentioning the cutting off the golden Phalos and the sacrificing
• 1:34:40
  of the children to the fires of ball and
• 1:34:44
  Moloch and all their nonsense of Shammarinas,
• 1:34:47
  Isis as the case may be.
• 1:34:49
  Unknown: Well, let me. Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Unknown: Let me switch horses over here before we run out of time because this is also interesting and this guy I've actually had the pleasure of meeting.
• 1:34:59
  We were at LSU at the same time although we didn't know each other and it's a guy that I've come to read his some of his work. I've seen many of his videos. I have a lot of admiration for him and I like him too and that's Doctor David Duke, okay?
• 1:35:16
  He's
• 1:35:17
  a super level headed guy and a real intellectual guy and very objective and gets a bad rap because they don't want people to him. They want him identified with the Hitler type characters
• 1:35:28
  which of course he's not in any way, shape, or form. Has his own show over on the Rents Network
• 1:35:34
  during the week. Probably should listen to that myself
• 1:35:37
  more. I sent him my book. We had some initial Email
• 1:35:41
  Email exchanges
• 1:35:43
  and but we we've never been able to follow-up on it. See, that's somebody that we need to understand my material right there. David Duke could pump that right through our whole community, okay? And maybe that'll happen. We'll keep
• 1:35:57
  keep taking one step in front of the other one. Anyway, this is his a white history
• 1:36:03
  of Christmas and how an ultra racist
• 1:36:06
  Zion Zio
• 1:36:07
  Grinch
• 1:36:09
  stole it.
• 1:36:10
  See how much I can get through this. From 1789
• 1:36:13
  to 1989,
• 1:36:15
  the first two hundred years of the American constitution,
• 1:36:18
  it was perfectly legal and very loved
• 1:36:21
  by Americans
• 1:36:23
  to have Christmas and Christian culture
• 1:36:26
  icons on public ground as part of our American fabric.
• 1:36:33
  Even the date of our constitution
• 1:36:36
  was signed by its author
• 1:36:38
  with the preface in the year of our lord.
• 1:36:44
  In eighteen
• 1:36:45
  nineteen eighty nine, it became illegal
• 1:36:49
  to have any Christian
• 1:36:51
  themed
• 1:36:52
  Christmas display
• 1:36:54
  on any federal, state, county, or city ground.
• 1:36:59
  It became illegal to say any prayers in school, forbidden to even sing Christmas carols
• 1:37:07
  in them or even call the Christmas holidays
• 1:37:11
  Christmas holidays.
• 1:37:14
  In the height of Hutzpah,
• 1:37:16
  the same Supreme Court decision that outlawed any Christian symbols. Notice it was a Supreme Court decision. It wasn't legislation.
• 1:37:26
  See how they're using this?
• 1:37:29
  Outlawed any Christian symbol because it was religious
• 1:37:33
  decreed that the oldest symbol of the Jewish religion, the menorah,
• 1:37:38
  even huge monster
• 1:37:40
  menorahs
• 1:37:41
  could be put up on public ground.
• 1:37:44
  So, 80% of the American people were denied their religious and their cultural heritage
• 1:37:50
  while less than 2% of the population
• 1:37:53
  gets their religious symbol erected
• 1:37:56
  on any public space.
• 1:38:00
  When Christian motifs let
• 1:38:03
  me finish Chris. We'll get to where where Christian motifs
• 1:38:06
  once stood in front of the White House and city halls,
• 1:38:10
  giant Jewish menorahs became perfectly legal
• 1:38:14
  along with rabbis lighting it. In Jewish rituals,
• 1:38:19
  celebrating
• 1:38:19
  Jewish dedication
• 1:38:21
  to the preservation of their race, religion, and culture in a ritual
• 1:38:27
  that denies our own heritage, religion, and culture.
• 1:38:33
  How did this happen?
• 1:38:35
  Who is the strange and powerful alien Grinch
• 1:38:39
  who stole Christmas?
• 1:38:43
  Here are the parts of my unique Christmas carol I mailed out to my friends,
• 1:38:48
  patrons, and subscribers.
• 1:38:51
  The true
• 1:38:52
  story of Christmas.
• 1:38:56
  The word Christmas comes from an old English words Christ's
• 1:39:00
  mass.
• 1:39:01
  In German,
• 1:39:02
  it's
• 1:39:03
  or
• 1:39:05
  holy night, the birth of Christ. In Spain, it's called Navidad.
• 1:39:11
  In Ecuador, it's called Navidad too. Russian, it's a word I can't even begin to pronounce.
• 1:39:17
  The birth.
• 1:39:18
  The early church of Rome
• 1:39:21
  signified
• 1:39:22
  December 25 is the birth of Jesus Christ.
• 1:39:26
  That date was the Roman
• 1:39:28
  solar calendar date for winter solstice.
• 1:39:31
  The sign of the sun's
• 1:39:34
  nadir.
• 1:39:35
  The rebirth
• 1:39:36
  of the sun in the spring
• 1:39:38
  in that life it brings.
• 1:39:42
  It was a most universally
• 1:39:45
  important day of ancient Europeans
• 1:39:48
  which the church adopted to mark the birth of Christ.
• 1:39:53
  And the promise of a new life from him.
• 1:39:57
  It's religious and cultural significance dovetailed
• 1:40:01
  perfectly
• 1:40:02
  with the ancient culture of Europe
• 1:40:05
  and symbolized
• 1:40:07
  their hopes both of themselves and of their children.
• 1:40:12
  Created 5,000
• 1:40:14
  ago, Stonehenge
• 1:40:16
  was a solar and celestial
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  calendar
• 1:40:19
  that
• 1:40:20
  foretold
• 1:40:21
  Christmas
• 1:40:22
  to our people
• 1:40:24
  as it predicted and it celebrated the zenith,
• 1:40:27
  solstice of the sun in June, and the sun's nadir and rebirth,
• 1:40:33
  and its new life heralded in December.
• 1:40:37
  The Christian celebration
• 1:40:38
  of the birth of Christ
• 1:40:40
  seemed a natural fit with the ancient culture.
• 1:40:44
  In fact, the church adopted
• 1:40:47
  the Christmas
• 1:40:48
  yule tree,
• 1:40:50
  grain wreaths of life and unity.
• 1:40:52
  The
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  snow
• 1:40:55
  further
• 1:40:56
  father, excuse me, the snow father transformed
• 1:41:00
  into Saint Nicholas.
• 1:41:02
  Gift giving, an ancient symbols of new life, love, generosity,
• 1:41:07
  and centered on the family,
• 1:41:09
  children,
• 1:41:10
  and community became part of the Christmas
• 1:41:14
  Christian
• 1:41:15
  tradition amid the cold and darkness of winter.
• 1:41:19
  Christian Christmases,
• 1:41:21
  Christian
• 1:41:22
  Christmas,
• 1:41:23
  whoo, melded easily
• 1:41:26
  to these family and community ethics.
• 1:41:30
  It became a universally
• 1:41:32
  revered
• 1:41:33
  day
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  for white people
• 1:41:36
  all over the world.
• 1:41:39
  It's politically incorrect to say but we must remember the American founding fathers were 100%
• 1:41:46
  white
• 1:41:48
  and overwhelmingly
• 1:41:49
  Christian.
• 1:41:52
  Even those of varying religious views universally identified themselves, our culture, and nation as Christian.
• 1:42:00
  The declaration of independence claims our rights are endowed by the creator
• 1:42:05
  and invoked
• 1:42:06
  the protection of divine providence.
• 1:42:10
  The constitution's
• 1:42:11
  authors
• 1:42:12
  marked its date in the year of our lord.
• 1:42:16
  They also openly loved and identified with the white heritage.
• 1:42:20
  Indeed, one of the first laws
• 1:42:23
  they enacted allowed immigrants only to
• 1:42:27
  immigration only to free white people.
• 1:42:31
  They
• 1:42:32
  permitted Christian prayers, hymns, and government, and almost every president from Washington on down
• 1:42:40
  was sworn in on the Christian Bible.
• 1:42:43
  They were Christians, white people, and the declaration
• 1:42:46
  was extremely
• 1:42:48
  nationalist.
• 1:42:49
  So, truth is,
• 1:42:52
  they were clearly white nationalists,
• 1:42:54
  weren't they?
• 1:42:57
  Up until eighteen nineteen eighty nine,
• 1:43:01
  Americans could celebrate Christian on public Christmas on public ground. Rich and powerful Jewish groups like the American Jewish Committee, the ADL,
• 1:43:10
  and the Jewish run and funded ACLU,
• 1:43:13
  waged war on Christmas.
• 1:43:16
  They demanded Christmas carols be outlawed in schools and they succeeded in making Christian symbols illegal
• 1:43:24
  on any federal, state, or public ground in America.
• 1:43:29
  In the ultimate Hutspa,
• 1:43:31
  this arrogant 2% demanded to erect the oldest
• 1:43:35
  symbol of Judaism, the menorah on public ground to commemorate their ancient message of Greek Goyam to to
• 1:43:43
  preserve
• 1:43:44
  their race.
• 1:43:46
  The 80% Christian people of America can't celebrate Christmas.
• 1:43:53
  But the 2% Jewish tribe
• 1:43:55
  can put up monster menorahs celebrating Jewish racism.
• 1:44:02
  David Brooks of the 100%
• 1:44:04
  Jew owned New York Times boasted of the Jewish takeover
• 1:44:09
  of America.
• 1:44:12
  True.
• 1:44:14
  The arrogant Jewish tyrants think that they have won but
• 1:44:20
  I know we will
• 1:44:23
  taste
• 1:44:24
  victory
• 1:44:24
  and they know it too.
• 1:44:27
  That is why they're so desperate to shut us down.
• 1:44:31
  Winter is here but our sun rises from the darkness
• 1:44:35
  too soon illuminate
• 1:44:37
  earth and sky.
• 1:44:40
  Our ancestors
• 1:44:41
  defeated
• 1:44:42
  the ice age.
• 1:44:44
  They will certainly defeat
• 1:44:46
  this
• 1:44:47
  too.
• 1:44:50
  I hope you enjoyed this unusual Christmas card.
• 1:44:53
  Perhaps, it gave you a smile in a world of seemingly gone mad.
• 1:45:00
  Yet,
• 1:45:01
  airy and courage and
• 1:45:03
  valor always rises to the face of invasion
• 1:45:07
  in in invasioned
• 1:45:09
  oppression.
• 1:45:11
  It elicits
• 1:45:12
  magnificent
• 1:45:13
  expressions
• 1:45:15
  of our people's
• 1:45:17
  indomitable
• 1:45:18
  spirit.
• 1:45:20
  Christmas and its shared solstice
• 1:45:22
  solstice
• 1:45:23
  history
• 1:45:24
  celebrate
• 1:45:25
  renewal of life that stirs in the darkest days of winter, oppression,
• 1:45:32
  and depression.
• 1:45:34
  Let us embrace the beauty and joy of our families and our friends.
• 1:45:39
  Rekindle our faith,
• 1:45:41
  steal our bodies, heal our health, inspire our minds,
• 1:45:46
  and make our hearts beat
• 1:45:49
  with great love, strength, and purpose more so than ever before.
• 1:45:55
  Be merry this Christmas.
• 1:45:57
  Love and feast and play and rest.
• 1:46:00
  You're you brave warriors.
• 1:46:03
  Thank you for letting me serve you,
• 1:46:06
  David Duke.
• 1:46:08
  Nice Christmas card.
• 1:46:11
  Unknown: You know, David Duke
• 1:46:13
  has been a lightning rod of contention that they have fought against because he brings out the truth. And unfortunately,
• 1:46:21
  hijacking
• 1:46:23
  religions
• 1:46:25
  to convert them to religions
• 1:46:27
  of men
• 1:46:29
  and take over and to control the masses of people who
• 1:46:33
  follow these groups
• 1:46:35
  as not a new concept.
• 1:46:38
  When you go back to Flavius Augustus Constantine
• 1:46:42
  the Great
• 1:46:44
  and his incursion
• 1:46:45
  at the
• 1:46:47
  Ma'alvian
• 1:46:48
  Bridge
• 1:46:49
  whenever he was consulted
• 1:46:51
  by the black robed high priest Baal
• 1:46:55
  Caiaphas
• 1:46:56
  or Caiaphas as we call him and instructed
• 1:47:00
  by the rabbis,
• 1:47:02
  the rabid rabbis of the Talmud
• 1:47:05
  to
• 1:47:06
  claim he had a vision of a burning cross in the sky to
• 1:47:11
  relate a story, a false narrative to his people to imbue them with
• 1:47:16
  courage and conviction that the gods were on their side
• 1:47:21
  and gave them the ability to prevail over a stronger and larger force that day
• 1:47:26
  to start the mythos
• 1:47:28
  that he was God's intercessor
• 1:47:31
  and the speaker relating God's words to the masses.
• 1:47:36
  And then later covinical
• 1:47:38
  the council at Nicaea
• 1:47:41
  bringing together the scribes and pharisees, the same ones thrown for the temper of the holy of holies for defilations and abominations therein,
• 1:47:50
  defiling it.
• 1:47:52
  And then later created
• 1:47:55
  on the 7th Hill Of Rome
• 1:47:58
  by the Canis Mons Vaticanus Mons, Vatican Mountain or Hill to build
• 1:48:03
  the Vatican,
• 1:48:04
  the kind of life, the Vatican as we call it today. On top of that one, it was an ancient marshy swampy graveyard
• 1:48:11
  with many demon god and goddess worshiping locations beneath it,
• 1:48:15
  and cleverly and artfully
• 1:48:18
  redecorated
• 1:48:19
  all those pagan god and demon god and goddesses with
• 1:48:23
  nice new
• 1:48:25
  trappings and cloaks of saints and regalia
• 1:48:31
  to assimilate
• 1:48:32
  the old gods and goddesses to the new Christos mythos religion of the ancient Roman cult.
• 1:48:41
  It is not anything new under the sun. They're still doing the same thing and deceiving
• 1:48:46
  us to believe
• 1:48:47
  and be deceived
• 1:48:49
  that these pagan pagan customs
• 1:48:53
  are really
• 1:48:55
  Christian but they're not. They're otherwise.
• 1:48:58
  Unknown: Now, we got more
• 1:49:00
  we got more fraud going on. It's everywhere around us. Our whole culture, society,
• 1:49:05
  the history that most of us are raised with and are familiar with. We have to unlearn
• 1:49:10
  because there's so many damn lies in there.
• 1:49:14
  And it's quite a chore unlearning all the lies you've been taught. Wouldn't you agree?
• 1:49:22
  Absolutely.
• 1:49:23
  I mean, you you have to think about it. You don't have just have to learn this new stuff. You gotta unlearn all the old stuff.
• 1:49:32
  Unknown: Hosea four six,
• 1:49:34
  my people are destroyed
• 1:49:36
  for a lack of knowledge. If it's not true, it doesn't matter.
• 1:49:40
  Unknown: Well, Gary, I popped over there to check Kitco while Chris was talking and
• 1:49:45
  we we hadn't seen this altitude in the price of gold in some time. It's just edging up towards twelve sixty five here
• 1:49:53
  about halfway through the day on Thursday.
• 1:49:56
  We'll see what they're able to do with it tomorrow.
• 1:49:58
  It looks like a lot of the fabrics.
• 1:50:01
  You know, I scanned down the headlines on zero hedge from the articles. It feels like the fabric's starting to dissolve a bit.
• 1:50:11
  Unknown: You can feel it. It's encouraging.
• 1:50:13
  It really is.
• 1:50:15
  Yep. Encouraging. Feel it burn. And you just sense it. Look at the the big picture.
• 1:50:23
  All the elements.
• 1:50:26
  Yeah. Hopefully,
• 1:50:28
  things are turning and
• 1:50:31
  and turning in our favor. So.
• 1:50:34
  Unknown: Well, I think that if we've taken, if we've taken the time and we've been industrious and we've
• 1:50:40
  because it was a gift. The time we've had all these years to prepare is just a gift.
• 1:50:46
  And and people, well, why hadn't that happened? That's been, I've been here and that's going to happen for years. Well, that doesn't mean it's not going to happen. That just means you had more time to prepare for it, okay?
• 1:50:59
  That's right. And so, there's going to be a lot of people that for whatever reasons haven't, didn't, or couldn't
• 1:51:05
  and and there's going to be, I think the biblical definition of it is wailing
• 1:51:10
  and gnashing
• 1:51:12
  of teeth.
• 1:51:14
  Unknown: Precisely.
• 1:51:16
  Yep.
• 1:51:17
  Unknown: Wailing and gnashing of teeth. We're going to see and hear and experience that.
• 1:51:22
  And we're going to see a healthy dose of dose of it next year.
• 1:51:26
  So, next year is going to be pretty exciting.
• 1:51:30
  We've gotten ourselves in a good spot.
• 1:51:32
  We can kind of sit back and get some popcorn and watch things unfold
• 1:51:36
  instead of having to be in the midst of it unfolding
• 1:51:39
  and making decisions on what to do.
• 1:51:44
  So, I'm real pleased as we end. You know, we've come around. We've been around about a year on the network here and gone through our growth pains or some of em
• 1:51:53
  through the technical snafus and the fact that we're not a huge budget operation
• 1:51:58
  but I think we've done pretty well all in all for the first year with all things considered
• 1:52:04
  and I think maybe we'll firm that up this coming year a bit
• 1:52:08
  and,
• 1:52:09
  we should be
• 1:52:11
  getting more people interested in hearing our message. We've got a few better tools at getting it out.
• 1:52:18
  This cast box tool we've got where you can take these shows
• 1:52:21
  like today which is I think pretty good show today.
• 1:52:24
  Take today's show and spread it around through Twitter or Facebook if you still go to those things. Through Emails or however you want to send it.
• 1:52:32
  And we can spread the word better. So, you know, I'm very encouraged about where we are and what we've got in front of us. We're how we're positioned
• 1:52:40
  and
• 1:52:41
  the
• 1:52:43
  experiences we're going to have here in the next calendar year.
• 1:52:48
  Unknown: Oh, Babylon.
• 1:52:50
  Unknown: Oh, Babylon. I whore. The beast beast has fallen. It was a big year for you, Gary, because you really got your handle on waking up in reality and consciousness this year.
• 1:53:03
  Unknown: It's been a prosperous year, you know, when you step back and look at it.
• 1:53:08
  You know, it all starts between your ears.
• 1:53:11
  And, you know, and
• 1:53:13
  God just opening your mind to you know? And for years, I was really asking for truth. Show me the truth, you know, just like a few good men. I want I wanna know I want the truth.
• 1:53:24
  And
• 1:53:26
  and all of a sudden it's laid in your lap and you know it when you see it. You know it. And
• 1:53:32
  so, yeah, it all starts with knowledge and then understanding
• 1:53:35
  and wisdom and putting that into practice. So, yeah, we're all fortunate being in this in this small group and come across this all these different facets like you've talked about, the different pillars.
• 1:53:47
  Absolutely.
• 1:53:48
  Unknown: Well. You know,
• 1:53:50
  the what
• 1:53:51
  I tend to think back on and to personalize the experience is my own and and I remember when I stumbled into John and Glenn's meeting there thinking it was another Benson, Bill Benson, the guy that wrote the law that never was.
• 1:54:06
  Volumes one and two and couple other books, pretty notable in our community years ago
• 1:54:11
  and I, that's who I thought I was going to see and I stumble in and it's just very portly
• 1:54:20
  quite. Well, I mean, really, you, if you'd just met John or Todd, just come across him on the street, you'd have never known what this guy, who he was,
• 1:54:29
  okay? Just small,
• 1:54:31
  the insignificant,
• 1:54:32
  hi, how you doing?
• 1:54:34
  Very soft, diminutive voice,
• 1:54:37
  personality,
• 1:54:38
  but man, when he stepped up on that stage to teach this information,
• 1:54:42
  he ripped open his shirt and there's a big Superman
• 1:54:45
  T shirt underneath, alright? I mean, he went through a personality change, alright?
• 1:54:51
  And and it allowed him to take all of his lifetime of study and focus it up there on that stage
• 1:54:59
  and that I
• 1:55:00
  didn't understand what the hell these guys were talking about but I knew there was something of great substance
• 1:55:08
  there
• 1:55:09
  and that's what he just touched each of you because nobody comes into this and understands it right off the bat.
• 1:55:17
  Virtually,
• 1:55:18
  nobody,
• 1:55:19
  okay?
• 1:55:21
  And so, you've all gotta go through that process but you gotta start by knowing that there's something substantive there that
• 1:55:29
  qualifies you spending your time looking.
• 1:55:34
  Unknown: Yeah. It stands out. It it stands out.
• 1:55:37
  And
• 1:55:38
  the yeah. The information just hits you like a bolt. And it's like, no, no, there's something here. There's something here worth digging into and exploring.
• 1:55:48
  Unknown: Yep. Well, it changed my life and I know the information has changed a lot of other people's and it has the ability to change more and hopefully we'll be able to touch more people and strengthen our own ranks and our own individual and collective positions
• 1:56:03
  and to have more of an influence on these guys because I'm telling you, they are absolutely terrified and they're on the run. They're at the end of their rope on every one of these agenda strings they've pushed
• 1:56:14
  and these guys have got big problems ahead of em and the nicest thing is they know it. You may wanna pop over to zero hedge. I'm not sure where it is on the list of stories but Vladimir Putin gave a three hour and forty five minute. Say what? Press conference today.
• 1:56:31
  You didn't break him up. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. There it goes. At the end of the show, I lose the stupid. Right at the end. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Well,
• 1:56:40
  I can hear you guys but there's a whistler so the show's over anyway. He lost his server connection. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. So,
• 1:56:47
  he probably won't log back. Exactly what happened. It's too much of a hassle.
• 1:56:55
  So, I'll
• 1:57:00
  Yeah, just to let you know that's exactly what happened. Lost the damn WiFi connection.
• 1:57:06
  We'll be back tomorrow with Brent and
• 1:57:09
  talk about probably this video. I'm going to post the two Christmas articles and the video on today's show description
• 1:57:16
  at Castbox
• 1:57:18
  and we'll see y'all tomorrow with Brent. Hope you got something out of a day. I did. Enjoyed it. I'll see you tomorrow. You guys take care. Ciao. Ciao.
• 1:58:26
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:58:33
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.