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Justice for married security-guard-dad-of-9 shot dead after telling peeved mom to use face mask · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a hard working family man,
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Speaker 1: a security guard at Family Dollar gunned down simply because
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Speaker 1: he asked a woman to wear her face mask inside
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Speaker 1: the store. In the Last Days, a break in the case.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. In the Last Days, three family members are
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Speaker 1: sentenced to life behind bars and the shooting death of
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Speaker 1: a Family Dollar security guard over what a face mask spat.
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Speaker 1: Let's kick it off with our friends at Fox to Detroit.
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Speaker 2: His family says the lovable father of six child and
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Speaker 2: three step children care for his family more than anything,
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Speaker 2: Big Nay.
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Speaker 3: Focus on anything twenty four seven with his mom, his.
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Speaker 2: Kids, and his wife Mundarlin, even getting the nickname super
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Speaker 2: Duper from his mother because he was always helping others.
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Speaker 4: Ada was ripping, run and try to help everybody as
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Speaker 4: better he put everybody before him.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm hearing our friend Erica Erickson at Fox
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Speaker 1: two describing Calvin Munterlin, just forty three years old, the
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Speaker 1: father of nine. All the guy did, according to family
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Speaker 1: friends coworkers, was work like a dog and spend time
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Speaker 1: with his family I have listened to what so many
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Speaker 1: people have to say about Calvin aka Superjeeper. They said,
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Speaker 1: no matter where he was, he had one or more
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Speaker 1: of the nine children with him. With me, it's an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. I just I just don't get why
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Speaker 1: a hard working guy just trying to support his family
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Speaker 1: has to be dead on the floor of the family
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Speaker 1: Dollar with me. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at NC Domestic Law. Knows her way
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Speaker 1: around the courtroom. Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: joining me from LA on Insta. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger thirty six years SEATTLEPD twenty two homicide author of
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Speaker 1: Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary gen Grant at Cloydsteiger dot com,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, joining
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Speaker 1: us right now to the lead news anchor or Orlando
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Speaker 1: Wdbo Ray Capudo, Ray, I just don't get how a
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Speaker 1: guy like Calvin Munterlin ends up dead. Hey, Ray, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox two.
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Speaker 5: It's just no excuse for somebody to take this kind
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Speaker 5: of an action over this kind of an issue.
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Speaker 2: Shot in the head, killed apparently for telling someone to
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Speaker 2: put on a mask.
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Speaker 1: This was totally uncalled for.
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Speaker 4: He didn't bother a soul.
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Speaker 2: The family of forty three year old Kelvin Munerlind, known
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Speaker 2: lovingly as super Duper, says he'd been working at this
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Speaker 2: family dollar store on Fifth Avenue in Flint as a
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Speaker 2: security guard for the past few months.
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Speaker 5: It's so devastating.
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Speaker 3: Lost his life, by trying to say through Flint.
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Speaker 2: Police in the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office say, Friday afternoon,
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Speaker 2: forty five year old Charmel Tigue came into the store,
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Speaker 2: Munterarlin ordering her to put a mask on. Police Atigue
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Speaker 2: began yelling and spinning on him, Munterlin telling the cashier
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Speaker 2: not to serve her.
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Speaker 1: You know. Back to you, Ray Caputo, lead news anchor
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Speaker 1: or Landay Morning News WDBO. Ray, explain to me, how
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Speaker 1: did the whole thing start.
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Speaker 6: Calvin was working at a dollar, a family dollar, a
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Speaker 6: dollar general store. Here's a hard working guy doing his
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Speaker 6: job at A couple of people come in Charmel Peague
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Speaker 6: and our little girl, and Charmel is wearing a face
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Speaker 6: mask and the little girl's not, so he's just doing
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Speaker 6: his job. Calvin comes up to Charmelo and says, you know,
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Speaker 6: the kid has to have a mask, and she apparently
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Speaker 6: didn't like what he said in a verbal argument ensuit,
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Speaker 6: and that's how things started to go downhill.
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Speaker 1: I want to go out to doctor Bethany Marshall. Everybody
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Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction. This is just a little north of
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Speaker 1: downtown Flint, Michigan. Everybody there is under orders by the governor.
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Speaker 1: Not all businesses have been opened, but the ones that
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Speaker 1: are open you're supposed to be wearing face masks. Why
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Speaker 1: do I have to have a fight about a face mask, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: There is so much rage that's being projected into the
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Speaker 7: issue of face masks. I think wage inequality, whatever is
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Speaker 7: going on in a person's personal life.
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Speaker 8: You know, we are all used to.
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Speaker 7: Protecting ourselves, going to the doctor for every little ache
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Speaker 7: and pain and symptom, but there is very little public
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Speaker 7: discourse about protecting the health and lives of others. And
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Speaker 7: wearing a mask is not just for yourself, it is
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Speaker 7: for other people. The only public discourse on taking some
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Speaker 7: action for saving the lives of others is in drinking
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Speaker 7: and driving and smoking. And that's it. So Charmel, who
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Speaker 7: walked into the store and her little girl did not
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Speaker 7: have a mask on, was only thinking about herself and
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Speaker 7: her little girl. She was not thinking about everybody else
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Speaker 7: in that store.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about the death, the shooting death of
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Speaker 1: a forty three year old, a guy doing his job,
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Speaker 1: devoted to his family. What did you just say about
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Speaker 1: wage inequality? Because when I go in, for instance, Costco,
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Speaker 1: they don't care who I am. I gotta wear a mask.
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Speaker 1: So what are you saying, doctor Bethany about wearing a
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Speaker 1: mask has something to do with wage inequality? And that
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Speaker 1: makes people mad. That doesn't even make sense to me.
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Speaker 8: Well, rage can get projected into an object or a symbol.
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Speaker 9: Way have to do with she felt that fault. Okay,
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Speaker 9: Scharmel felt that following the rules was putting her out,
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Speaker 9: was insulting her, was taking away her civil liberty.
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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with wage? Can you
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Speaker 1: just go ahead admit had nothing to do with wage.
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Speaker 8: It had nothing to do with wage.
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Speaker 9: You're right, you're the prosecutor I'm on.
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Speaker 1: The heady if it does tell me, because I want to.
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Speaker 9: Understand, I can't do it, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If it does have to do with wage inequality, which
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Speaker 1: I recognize. You know, I remember we're king three way
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Speaker 1: at one point four jobs as a district when I
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Speaker 1: was an assistant district attorney just to make my house
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Speaker 1: payment and my car payment, which smoked from under the
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Speaker 1: hood every time I stopped at red light. But I
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Speaker 1: just want you to tell me in one sentence what
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Speaker 1: wage inequality has to do with face masks.
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Speaker 8: I believe that people who have intergenerational wage inequality are
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Speaker 8: prone to being more angry and more anti authority, and
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Speaker 8: they took it out on this poor security guards.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now I hear what you're saying, and what I'm selecting,
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Speaker 1: cherry picking out of what you've been saying, is that
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of rage right now in general because
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Speaker 1: of COVID lockdown, and face masks have turned into a
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Speaker 1: symbol of that rage that I'm getting and that I
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Speaker 1: had not thought of until you brought it up. That
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Speaker 1: it's some disrespecting people to ask them to wear a
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Speaker 1: face mask. See. All I know is that if I
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Speaker 1: want to go in to Costco and get my chicken
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Speaker 1: tiki massala. I have to wear a face mask, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I don't even think about why, who where? Why?
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Speaker 10: When I know what I want, I know what I
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Speaker 10: got to do to get it. Bam.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three family members charged with
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Speaker 1: murder and the shooting death of a family daughter security
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Speaker 1: guard in Flint, Michigan now sentenced to life behind bars.
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Speaker 1: That security guard Calvin manirlan shop after asking a customer
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Speaker 1: to wear her face mask inside the store. The spat
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Speaker 1: took place when employees and customers were required by state
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Speaker 1: wide order to wear masks inside shopping areas to prevent
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Speaker 1: the spread of COVID. Well, these three, Charmel Tigue, Larry Tig,
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Speaker 1: and Ramona Bishop were having none of it. Now all
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Speaker 1: three convicted on murder and felony firearms charges. How did
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Speaker 1: the whole incident unfold? I still don't get why he's
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Speaker 1: shot in the back of the head while he's got
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Speaker 1: nine children without a dad. Right now, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our Dave Matt from Crimealline dot com.
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Speaker 11: Forty three year old Calvin Mundlin is working as a
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Speaker 11: security guard for the family Dollar in Flint, Michigan, when
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Speaker 11: Charmel Tigue and her five year old come into the store.
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Speaker 11: The forty five year old mother is where a mask,
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Speaker 11: as state guidelines require, but the child does not. When
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Speaker 11: Munderland tells Tig that her child must wear a mask,
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Speaker 11: she yells at him, spits on him, and drives off.
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Speaker 11: About twenty minutes later, she returns to the store with
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Speaker 11: her forty four year old husband Larry Edward Tig and
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Speaker 11: twenty three year old son Ramonier Travon Bishop. All three
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Speaker 11: confront Munterland.
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Speaker 1: So explain to me back to you, Ray Caputo, lead
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Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando WDBO. So he super Deeper asks the mom,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that to be forty five year old
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Speaker 1: Sharmel t put a mask on your daughter. The mom
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Speaker 1: throws a fit, and I'm sure this is all on
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Speaker 1: surveillance video. PTL and Jackie shaking her head. Yes, you know,
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Speaker 1: you never know which. I'll circle back with you, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: because you look around, you think you see cameras, half
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Speaker 1: of them aren't working, half of them tape over, blah blah.
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Speaker 1: She throws it's a fit and actually spits on super Deeper.
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Speaker 1: Calvin Munterlin and then stomps off and huff, Oh wait,
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Speaker 1: I left something out. He tells her, put a mask
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Speaker 1: on your daughter. She throws a big fit, won't do it.
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Speaker 1: He tells the cashier, don't serve them. Now, remember he's
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Speaker 1: under governor's orders to do this. He's the one that
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Speaker 1: will get a ticket or an ordinance violation or maybe
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Speaker 1: even close down the family dollar. And so that's what
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Speaker 1: she spits on him and stops off. Do I have
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Speaker 1: the facts correct so far?
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Speaker 4: Ray?
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Speaker 1: Computer, I'm leaving anything out because Frankly, Ray, as you
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Speaker 1: well know, one fact can change the outcome of a
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Speaker 1: trial or the way we look at it. Something else
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Speaker 1: may have happened that I don't know about that may
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Speaker 1: change everything. So what am I leaving out? If anything?
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Speaker 6: But that's the facts, Nancy, including what you just mentioned
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Speaker 6: at the end that Calvin told the cashier not to
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Speaker 6: serve Charmelow. And I believe that's what really really set
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Speaker 6: her off. Tell me, but you got the facts right.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that's really what set her off?
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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, she was denied service there. She
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Speaker 6: must have thought, this is just a dollar General security guard.
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Speaker 1: Who's this guy to did you just say he's just
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Speaker 1: a family dollar security guard. Did you just say that?
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Speaker 6: I'm assuming that's what sharr Mela thought. I personally guys
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Speaker 6: like Calvin Nancy are unsung heroes.
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Speaker 1: My father was a blue collar worker as a freight
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Speaker 1: agent for the Southern Railway Norfolk Southern, and he worked,
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Speaker 1: got awful hours, had to drive from one place to
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Speaker 1: another until he finally got a secure spot. And he
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Speaker 1: helped put me through law school, my sister through UHHD
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Speaker 1: at Wharton, and my brother through his undergraduate degree. So,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't take it very kindly when
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Speaker 1: people say, like Calvin, but I hear what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: and I think you're right. Rakipudo. I think she thought,
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Speaker 1: I'm not letting some security guard at family daughter tell
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Speaker 1: me what to do. I guarantee you you're right. And
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Speaker 1: it's all mashed up and what Dr Bethanie was saying.
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back very quickly to Cloyd Stauger
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Speaker 1: thirty six years SEATTLEPD twenty two years of that in homicide, Cloyd,
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Speaker 1: how many times has I mean a triple homicide? I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking of one in my head that I prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: Crazy things, everything goes hey wire over something as small
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Speaker 1: as your daughter needs to wear a face mask, and
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Speaker 1: everything just goes that crazy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't begin to tell you how many murders
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Speaker 4: of it whisciated were absolutely over nothing, over some minor
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Speaker 4: little disagreement and the guns come out and people start shooting,
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Speaker 4: or they stab or they strangle. It's just, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is, but we live in
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Speaker 4: a society where some people just have no value of
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Speaker 4: human life and it.
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Speaker 1: Will give something else. I agree with you, Cloyd, that
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Speaker 1: no value on a human life, but the impulse control.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very anti gun for my home, our home,
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Speaker 1: and my husband doesn't feel that way, but he goes
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Speaker 1: along with me because I remember the first time I
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Speaker 1: had to pick a gun up and hold it frontly, Jerry,
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was picking up a burning pot.
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Speaker 1: But I'm all for everybody else the right to bear
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Speaker 1: arms with in a world where guns are so prolific
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Speaker 1: and no impulse control. You put those things together and
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Speaker 1: you get Calvin and Herland dead on floor, And Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger is right, human life no value. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville, State, Joe Scott, I pray to God
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Speaker 1: that there's a video of this. Just because you've got
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Speaker 1: a camera trained on the cashier, that doesn't mean a
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Speaker 1: hill of beans in reality.
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Speaker 12: Why no, it doesn't, because it's not going to capture everything.
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Speaker 12: Hopefully they've got multiple CCTV views. That is, little cameras
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Speaker 12: that are positioned and if you go into stores sometimes
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Speaker 12: they're not as glaring as they used to be. We
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Speaker 12: have this, you know, kind of camera module sitting up there.
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Speaker 12: They'll look like a big fish eye sticking out of
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Speaker 12: the ceiling, and hopefully there'll be multiple views all the
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Speaker 12: way around. These cameras kind of rotate around. It used
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Speaker 12: to be kind of cost prohibited to have these things
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Speaker 12: because it had to have tape. You had to have
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Speaker 12: these big cameras. Not anymore. You can actually digitize or
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Speaker 12: make these in a digital format. These cameras roll perpetually.
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Speaker 12: You loaded onto the hard drive and it's there. Hopefully
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Speaker 12: it was working. How many of these cases do we
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Speaker 12: cover Nancy where we have no CCTV coverage. In this
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Speaker 12: particular case, I can tell you it's going to be
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Speaker 12: striking because this is going to tell a tale of
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Speaker 12: a public execution. That's what it's going to come down to.
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Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't thought of it like that, a
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Speaker 1: public execution. Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, Kathleen, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at NBC. This is Alicia Virgio.
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Speaker 13: After an argument and to broke out between Munderlin and
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Speaker 13: the female suspect because her daughter was not wearing a mask,
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Speaker 13: things took a turn. Surveillance video from Family Dollar shows
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Speaker 13: the woman was forced to leave the store, then later
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Speaker 13: came back with her son Bishop and husband Tigue.
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Speaker 5: One of the black males started yelling at Manarlin about
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Speaker 5: disrespecting his wife. The other blackmail then walks up to
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Speaker 5: Munarlin and shoots Mannerline.
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Speaker 1: Both men took off after the incident. He was just
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Speaker 1: an all around good guy and when I found out
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Speaker 1: what had.
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Speaker 12: Happened to him, it really broke my heart because I
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Speaker 12: know what kind of person he was.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and this is not about race, because the victim
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Speaker 1: is an African American male. His nine children his wife
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Speaker 1: left behind are all African Americans. The shooter is an
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Speaker 1: African American. I think that was part of a bolo
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout and the reporters were trying to
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Speaker 1: give information about what the purpose looked like because to you,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, they took off. They
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Speaker 1: shoot Calvin Manarlin in the back of the head. The son,
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Speaker 1: the son and the dad come in. They start jawing
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Speaker 1: at Calvin Manerland super deeper about disrespecting the wife, and
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Speaker 1: sharmil Tigue shoot them in the back of the head
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Speaker 1: execution style, and then they go to their car and
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Speaker 1: drive off over a face mask. Tell me, Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: how many times have you looked at the case you're
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Speaker 1: handling and thought over what it is a day.
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Speaker 14: To day thing? And Nancy, I'm happy to say that
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Speaker 14: when I have clients that come in that are involved
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Speaker 14: with domestic violence, I work really hard to talk with
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Speaker 14: them about tools that we can put into place to
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Speaker 14: control their behaviors. Whether it's somebody that has rage issues,
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Speaker 14: whether it's somebody has control issues. People have to learn
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Speaker 14: to control themselves. And there is a place right now
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Speaker 14: where we need to put tools into place for people
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Speaker 14: to control their rage.
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Speaker 1: And I'll start a when Munderling got into an argument
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Speaker 1: with chermul Tigue after telling her daughter she needed to
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Speaker 1: wear a mask inside, and this is all born out
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Speaker 1: by a security video. Though the daughter left the store,
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Speaker 1: chamul t began yelling and cursing at the security guard,
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Speaker 1: a father and husband himself. He then told her to
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Speaker 1: leave the store and it started the cashier not to
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Speaker 1: serve her. Chamel Tige left the store all right, but
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes later Bishop and Larry Tig arrived, Tig yelling
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Speaker 1: at Manrlin more saying the guard disrespected his wife missed
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Speaker 1: than she's Manalin in the head and the security guard
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Speaker 1: dies at the hospital. The guy just doing his job
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Speaker 1: at Family Dollar, working really long, hard hours supporting nine
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Speaker 1: children and a wife gets gunned down after he asked
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Speaker 1: a woman to get her daughter a face mask. Then
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Speaker 1: she spits on it him and leaves. What a disrespect
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Speaker 1: And then the husband comes back with the son. They
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Speaker 1: start attacking him verbally about disrespecting the mom. The wife
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Speaker 1: charmel Tige and ended up shooting him dead. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend, CBS News correspondent Laura Podesta.
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Speaker 15: A Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, became a murder
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Speaker 15: scene on Friday. Police believe a security guard forty three
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Speaker 15: year old Calvin Munterlin was fatally shot in the head
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Speaker 15: after he told shopper Charmeltigue that her daughter had to
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Speaker 15: wear a mask before entering the store.
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Speaker 5: The daughter did not have a mask. Charmel did have
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Speaker 5: a mask. But the altercation ensued and we believe she
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Speaker 5: communicated with Larry Larry Tig and the Ramone Bishop and
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Speaker 5: they returned to the store and the shooting occurred.
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Speaker 1: You know there, you go right there. A lot of
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Speaker 1: times when there is a heated argument and a shooting
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Speaker 1: or a death occurs, it can be argued, and sometimes successfully,
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Speaker 1: that that was a voluntary mansellor that you shot in
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Speaker 1: the heat of passion. But the fact that they left
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Speaker 1: and came back, that's not going to work because they
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Speaker 1: had what we call under the law to Kathleen Murphy
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Speaker 1: in North Carolina cooling off period, give it to me
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell, Kathleen.
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Speaker 14: If there's even one moment in time where they had
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Speaker 14: the ability to cool off, then it's not going to
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Speaker 14: be any other charge butt murder in the first degree.
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Speaker 1: No on the charge butt murder in the first degree. Well,
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Speaker 1: to make matters worse, they go on the run. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Fox five DC, Tara and Asher.
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Speaker 5: We believe Finley and Mitchell ranted a vehicle here and
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Speaker 5: drove Tea to Texas. In Texas, we allege they bought
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Speaker 5: Tea clothing at a Houston Air Area Walmart and rented.
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Speaker 12: Him a room.
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Speaker 16: And on Friday, Michigan State Police nabbed his son late
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Speaker 16: in praising the public after a tip led Michigan State
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Speaker 16: Police to Bishop, who had been hiding out in a
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Speaker 16: Bay City house.
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Speaker 5: Authorities entered the building, called into the unit in which
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Speaker 5: they believed Bishop was hiding, and he was taken into
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Speaker 5: custody without incident.
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Speaker 1: Back to Rakipedo, Lee Ne's anchor Orlando Morning News WDBO Ray, So,
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Speaker 1: how many people are helping these the perps cover up their.
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Speaker 6: Crimes when Nancy. Six people are now charged with this murder,
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Speaker 6: this situation that's spun out of control. Six people are
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Speaker 6: now going to face charges. You know, we got charmal
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Speaker 6: we got let's.
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Speaker 1: Break it down. Hold on charmil t is the mom
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Speaker 1: who goes in with a face mask with a daughter
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Speaker 1: without a face mask. Forty five year old old enough
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Speaker 1: to know aboutter Charmelte. That's number one.
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Speaker 6: Who else do we have Well, we got Larry t
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Speaker 6: the husband who was the one that came back and
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Speaker 6: confronted television.
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Speaker 1: Four year old husband, Larry Tig. Then we've got.
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Speaker 6: Romanye Bishop and he's the shooter, the stepson of Larry
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Speaker 6: and Charmelo's real son, biological.
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Speaker 1: Son, twenty three year old Romanye Bishop. Those are the
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Speaker 1: main purpose. But then we've got another Well.
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Speaker 6: Then we have another family member, Nancy. We have Bria Bishop.
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Speaker 6: She is an adult daughter of a brother of Romanye.
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Speaker 6: Now she was charged with eating in a betting, basically
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Speaker 6: helping Romanye get away.
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Speaker 1: So Bria Bishop, aged twenty five years old, according to
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Speaker 1: my notes, has three counts against her. Tampering with evidence
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Speaker 1: that's ten years possibility, lying to cops that's four years possibility.
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Speaker 1: And what have our scribbled out here? She's got one more.
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Speaker 1: I bet it's a five years. So I bet it's
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Speaker 1: successory after the fact. So what's the story? What did
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Speaker 1: they do to help the shooters get away?
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Speaker 6: Well, the two people we know that that took Larry
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Speaker 6: Tea down to Texas, Laura Mitchell and Terrence Stinley. We
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Speaker 6: don't know the relationship, but they are obviously close enough
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Speaker 6: to be able to help Larry. They helped them get
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Speaker 6: a hotel room. They obviously drove him, they bought him clothes.
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Speaker 6: I mean, they went through pretty great lengths. Now, I'm
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Speaker 6: not quite sure exactly what bre or Bria did, but
24:31
Speaker 6: she clearly helped throw the cops off there. There was
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Speaker 6: an eight day period between Larry and Romanye being doing
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Speaker 6: this and then being taken into custody. So they were
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Speaker 6: on the run for a hot minute.
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Speaker 1: You're not kidding. They were on the lamb eluding police
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Speaker 1: for over a week. To Joseph Scott Morgan, I want
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Speaker 1: to get back to the scene of the shooting. What
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about how that scene should be processed?
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Speaker 1: How important it is that the medical examiner, for instance,
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Speaker 1: gets the right trajectory path of the bullet in Calvin's head,
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Speaker 1: that they look for gunshot residue or stippling around the one.
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Speaker 1: Why is why those details and others that you're going
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Speaker 1: to tell me about so important in this case?
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Speaker 12: Oh, it is important, Nancy, And you've already made very
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Speaker 12: salient points in that they left and came back, so
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Speaker 12: they came back armed. My suspicion, you're.
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Speaker 1: Right on with that. That's so right. Did they came back.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't just leave it a huff. Have any of
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Speaker 1: you ever been at a store or somewhere and sometimes
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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm leaving, because I sure have. Yeah, leaving, hup,
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Speaker 1: But do you have to come back armed to the
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Speaker 1: teeth and mad? Okay, Joe Scott, for once, Bethany's interrupting you,
25:48
Speaker 1: not me, I want credit for that jump in beth Okay.
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Speaker 9: So, I was a marriage and family therapist before becoming
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Speaker 9: a psychoanalyst, and I had the rare experience throughout the
25:57
Speaker 9: years of treating extent family systems where it seemed like
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Speaker 9: everybody acted like animals.
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Speaker 7: And when I say animals, I mean animals.
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Speaker 1: To get that through my head. When came out there
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Speaker 1: on Rodeo and the family acting like animals.
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Speaker 9: It's almost like they were all very primitive, like fighting.
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Speaker 9: I remember two moms with their in their their forties,
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Speaker 9: with their collective five or six daughters, all in my
26:27
Speaker 9: office fighting over something stupid. One of the daughters was high.
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Speaker 9: Both of the mothers were trying to grab attention at
26:35
Speaker 9: the expense of their daughters. Both mothers were still living
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Speaker 9: with men who had molested children in the family, and
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Speaker 9: It's almost like they were all primitive, like nobody had
26:45
Speaker 9: socialized them, nobody had educated them. They were all out
26:49
Speaker 9: for themselves. And I just threw up my hands in despair,
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Speaker 9: and I thought, it's like these people are like animals.
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Speaker 9: And I was trying to and I don't mean that
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Speaker 9: to be devaluing. I mean that the the aspect of
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Speaker 9: being civilized, of being social, of learning impulse control, like.
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Speaker 7: You I talked about earlier, everything we learn in childhood.
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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, you're a mother. Think of the many
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Speaker 7: hours you spend processing Lucy and John David's experiences processing
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Speaker 7: and processing and processing. Imagine if you raise them and
27:23
Speaker 7: you never processed one single thing. They could just slop
27:26
Speaker 7: food out of the refrigerator, they could hit each other,
27:29
Speaker 7: they could you know, spit on kids at school, and
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Speaker 7: then that was celebrated like that's a great way to
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Speaker 7: behave in the world.
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Speaker 8: Some families do.
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Speaker 7: Operate like this. It's surprising, but they really do.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of all the things, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you know this is going to give the twins years
27:46
Speaker 1: and years of psychoanalyst and analysis. But I'm forever saying, Lucy,
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Speaker 1: stand up straight, do not slouch, John David, we do
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Speaker 1: not need to see the food in your mouth while
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Speaker 1: you chewing. Just I know that one that they're going
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Speaker 1: to go, oh my mother, blah blah blah blah blah.
28:06
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's worth it if they stand
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Speaker 1: up straight and don't you with your mouth open. I'll
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Speaker 1: take the abuse. But I'm listening to what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: And now the daughter of this this mom has seen
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Speaker 1: the mom spit on a security guard. And there's no
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Speaker 1: telling how all these children have been raised. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, three family members
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Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced to life behind bars for gunning down
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Speaker 1: a real family man, a security guard at the Family
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Speaker 1: Dollar store. Calvin Manland worked so hard to provide for
28:59
Speaker 1: his family. Security guard at Family Dollar in Flint. His
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Speaker 1: job was to keep customer safe. Munlin, a father of nine,
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Speaker 1: gun down after turning a customer away for trying to
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Speaker 1: enter the store without a mask, a father of nine.
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Speaker 1: We now know security footage reveals Tigue Sharmel Tigue began
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Speaker 1: to yell and spit at Merlin, who asked her to
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Speaker 1: leave the store. The brutal murder of a guy just
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Speaker 1: trying to do his job and raise his children. And
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Speaker 1: there is no value that you can place on a
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Speaker 1: father's presence. A good dad in your life. A good
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Speaker 1: dad means the world. And I'm kind of choking up
29:49
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about all the sacrifices my mom and
29:52
Speaker 1: dad made for us, an example they gave us. And
29:57
Speaker 1: you know, some mornings when I don't want to get
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Speaker 1: up at five o'clock and start working, I think about
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Speaker 1: my dad and my mom doing it all those years,
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Speaker 1: never complained. Take a listen, Joe Scott Morgan, I want
30:11
Speaker 1: you to hear ABC twelve News reporter and puret.
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Speaker 5: You know I've said this before. Senseless and tragic and
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Speaker 5: there's just no explanation for.
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Speaker 3: May first, forty four year old Larry Tigue and his stepson,
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Speaker 3: twenty three year old remind Ye Bishop, are accused of
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Speaker 3: gunning down this family dollar security guard, Calvin Duper Muntererlin.
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Speaker 1: They took off to avoid.
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Speaker 3: Getting caught, but the Genesee County Prosecutor says they actually
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Speaker 3: walked from the scene.
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Speaker 5: He didn't run at all, which is one of the
30:41
Speaker 5: reasons we think he knew that Bishop was going to
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Speaker 5: shoot Monitlin. Because after the shooting. The normal reaction if
30:50
Speaker 5: you didn't know that was going to happen, would be
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Speaker 5: to ron.
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Speaker 3: From there, David Layton says they went to Bishop's sister's
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Speaker 3: Flint home, Bria. Bishop is facing three felonies accused of
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Speaker 3: helping the two escape. How long the two were there,
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Speaker 3: where they went next, and when they split up isn't clear.
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Speaker 1: You know, just the senselessness of this. But back to you,
31:13
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensis Jacksonville State University and author
31:17
Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, the
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Speaker 1: fact that they just walked away just I can't wait
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Speaker 1: for a jury to see that, assuming it was caught
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Speaker 1: on video. So what do we need to process this scene,
31:36
Speaker 1: process mister Mullin's body in order to prove help me
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Speaker 1: prove the murder case here.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's a dynamic environment. You got people that are
31:46
Speaker 12: screaming at one another, carrying on. I think that I
31:49
Speaker 12: like to refer to Charmel as Queen Charmel because she
31:52
Speaker 12: went home and told these guys come with me, and
31:54
Speaker 12: then she cut them loose on this guy after she'd
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Speaker 12: spit on him, like he was some kind of less
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Speaker 12: than human person. And when that happened, you have the
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Speaker 12: father potentially and I'm just spitballing here, but you've got
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Speaker 12: the father distracting in an argument. He's up in the
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Speaker 12: security guard's face, and then the son, the gutless person
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Speaker 12: that he is, rolls around to the rear of him,
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Speaker 12: takes out a firearm and shoots this man in the
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Speaker 12: back of the head. Nancy, all right, Now, what we
32:25
Speaker 12: need to know. Did they force him on the ground
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Speaker 12: and then shoot him from an upward angle so that
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Speaker 12: it's going down you know, imagine a classic from an
32:35
Speaker 12: old movie where people are being executed, the individual being
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Speaker 12: shot downward like this, or did he just simply walk
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Speaker 12: behind him and discharge the weapon. Now, the other piece
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Speaker 12: to this is at what range did he do this?
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Speaker 12: Was he across the store? Because if he's across the store,
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Speaker 12: there's not going to be any soot deposit on the
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Speaker 12: back of this man's head. My suspicion is this occurred
32:57
Speaker 12: in close quarters, within probably eighteen inches of this poor
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Speaker 12: man's head, the back of his head where he doesn't
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Speaker 12: have eyes, in the back of his head as he's
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Speaker 12: being attacked by this gutlass coward he's being shot directly
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Speaker 12: into the back of the head. You're going to have
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Speaker 12: a storm of these little particles that are going to
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Speaker 12: be around this wound, and depended upon how far apart
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Speaker 12: the particles are, that'll give us an indication as to
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Speaker 12: the range of fire. The further way you are, the
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Speaker 12: wider the spread. Okay, we're not just talking about the
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Speaker 12: bullet hole. We're actually talking about soot deposition on the
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Speaker 12: back of the head, and that's going to be the
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Speaker 12: tail of tape. You combine that with the CCTV images
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Speaker 12: that we hope are there, and it's going to be dramatic.
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Speaker 12: I think that this will be a slim dunkin core.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I thought that about OJ Simpson tape. But when you're talking,
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Speaker 1: when you're referring to soot deposition, I think or I've
33:53
Speaker 1: told jury's in the past to think, I don't use
33:57
Speaker 1: hair spray as an example, because there's so many different
34:00
Speaker 1: kinds of hair spray. There's aerosol, there's pump. I use
34:04
Speaker 1: lysol because men and women. I hope my jury can
34:09
Speaker 1: have heard of lysol or sprayed it before, and so deposition.
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Speaker 1: As Joseph Scott Morgan was correctly explaining the further away
34:18
Speaker 1: you are from the lysol, you spray it. If you're
34:22
Speaker 1: that close, you get a dead on burst of lysol.
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Speaker 1: The further away you get, you get a spray. Same
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Speaker 1: way with a bullet. The closer you are to your target,
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Speaker 1: the more concentrated the gunshot residue will be. The further
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Speaker 1: you are away from it, the more diffused it will be. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I got to tell you this much. They go back in.
34:53
Speaker 1: They say that Charmel Tig, forty five year old, as
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott calls her, Queen Charmel, has been disrespected. Well,
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Speaker 1: they didn't make it hard. It took a minute to
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Speaker 1: track him down. But take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: An Pierrette at ABC twelve.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutor says Flint police received a tip from an
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Speaker 3: old friend of Bishop's and that led them here.
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Speaker 5: He was taking into custady without any incident whatsoever, without
35:19
Speaker 5: anybody getting hurt.
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Speaker 3: The alleged murder weapon of forty caliber handgun hasn't been
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Speaker 3: found yet. Layton says Bishop has about a dozen weapons
35:27
Speaker 3: registered to him, but didn't have any on him. His stepdad, Teague,
35:32
Speaker 3: was arrested the day before Thursday, May seventh, shortly after
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Speaker 3: Laura Mitchell and Terence Finley were caught. The pair's relationship
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Speaker 3: to each other and to Tigue isn't known, but Layton
35:44
Speaker 3: says they rented a car to get Teague to Houston,
35:47
Speaker 3: bought him close and rented him a room, but he
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Speaker 3: checked in under his own name, making it that much
35:53
Speaker 3: easier for the US Marshals to find him. But how
35:57
Speaker 3: were they led to Texas in the first place.
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Speaker 5: Climt Pde some of their really good detectives were able to,
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Speaker 5: with their ear to the ground, come up with information
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Speaker 5: indicating that Finley and Mitchell had taken a tea to Houston.
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Speaker 1: Nobody said he was a rocket signed he checks in
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Speaker 1: under his own name. Jackie, you're trying to say anything.
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Speaker 1: I'm not the stepdad. I'm the dad.
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Speaker 5: What the dad that stepped up?
36:24
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm looking at a picture of Calvin mundaland he's
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Speaker 1: got nine children and he's like this proud. He's got
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Speaker 1: a T shirt that says I'm not the step dad,
36:36
Speaker 1: I'm the dad that stepped up. I'm so mad. I
36:41
Speaker 1: at you a nail in half, and I know it's
36:42
Speaker 1: not going to make anything any better. We cannot bring
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Speaker 1: Calvin Mundland back, but we can make sure that this group,
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Speaker 1: this family group, that enabled the shooting, that agitated the shooting,
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Speaker 1: that covered up the sh shooting, that aided and abedded
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Speaker 1: the escape of fleeing felons, are brought to justice. These
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Speaker 1: nine children and this wife need to know somebody cared.
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Speaker 6: I completely agree with Nancy, but I don't believe, and
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Speaker 6: maybe correct me if I'm wrong, that Michigan has the
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Speaker 6: Dutch time.
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Speaker 1: Nat. You can shoot as many people as you want
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Speaker 1: there and still get the same sentence to the three people,
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Speaker 1: to the three purpse that murdered this father of nine.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy l Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friends,