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Emotional Hoarding with Laurie Davies & Clutter Free with Kathi Lipp · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Cold spaghetti's. Great. Okay.
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  S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, I guess certainly
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  S3: it is not. No. Okay. Well, man, I'm going back.
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  S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
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  S2: was universally loved.
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  S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
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  S4: That's just. It feels like.
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  S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S4: that would make it worth it.
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  S5: Our own way. Never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S5: the life source, which is God.
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  S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: If you don't take an assessment, you don't know what
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  S2: you got. It's just one of these tough truths in life, right, Ali?
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  S4: Yes. Yeah. Super. I had to get some tests done
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  S4: on her foot this week to see.
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  S3: If she needed.
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  S7: An assessment.
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  S4: She needed some assessment on her foot. And praise God
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  S4: it's not broken. Yeah, but that assessment revealed there was some.
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  S2: Chairs.
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  S4: Boogered up her ankle, as you like to say.
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  S3: Boogered up.
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  S2: Boogered it up, man. She avoided a cat and stepped
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  S2: really hard and funky in a hallway. And the rest
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  S2: is history.
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  S7: Yeah, it's not good.
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  S2: Better to bump the cat a little bit. They can
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  S2: survive that thing. But the instinct says, I can't kick
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  S2: the cat.
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  S7: It's like swerving out of the way for a deer
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  S7: in the road. They they actually say, don't swerve.
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  S2: Oh yeah, for sure.
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  S3: Because.
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  S2: I've got experience with that.
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  S7: Yeah. You cause way more damage swerving than if you just. Yeah.
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  S7: Hit the deer, unfortunately.
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  S2: But yeah, it's a, it's a real thing. We were
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  S2: driving outside of Anchorage, Alaska, to Wasilla. We were in
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  S2: my dad's old 220 D Mercedes. And my man, this
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  S2: big old cow moose jumped out right in front of
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  S2: us and whammo! We nailed that thing.
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  S3: Oh, man. It's the worst.
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  S2: He went right. She went hit one of the kind
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  S2: of the left upright of the windshield. And the whole
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  S2: body fell into the windshield, shattered. That thing boogered up
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  S2: the grill, and that big old moose went right up
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  S2: over the top of our car, landed on four feet,
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  S2: shook it off and went running into the woods.
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  S3: It's crazy.
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  S7: Man.
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  S2: Is that crazy?
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  S7: It's a big moose, then.
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  S3: Oh.
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  S2: It was a behemoth, man. She was a big girl
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  S2: and she lived to survive. Wow. It's just crazy. Yeah,
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  S2: but you got to be careful with those critters. Taking
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  S2: an assessment of anything is vitally important because you got
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  S2: to know where you're at. What do you have? I'd
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  S2: love to talk about running the Iditarod Trail race. Back
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  S2: when I was 18 years old, across the state of Alaska.
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  S2: And in preparation for that, I spent two years training
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  S2: and I was actually running 210 dog teams 50 miles
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  S2: a day, every day. Now things are different now in
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  S2: the Iditarod. I was talking to Mitch Seavey, three time
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  S2: winner of the Iditarod Trail race, and we were just
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  S2: kind of ruminating on back in the good old days.
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  S2: Now he's gone. He's completed 30 Iditarod trail races.
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  S3: That's crazy. 30.
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  S2: 30.
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  S4: He's run it 30 times.
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  S7: And how many have there been?
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  S2: Oh, there's been a bunch.
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  S3: But that's crazy.
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  S2: Not too many more than that. No, he's run it
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  S2: 30 times. And he was talking about how they train
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  S2: now as opposed to back in 79 when I competed
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  S2: in this thing. It's so different. But I learned something
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  S2: really interesting before the Iditarod. So I had 20 dogs.
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  S2: I was training, I took, I think 18 on what's
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  S2: called the Cantwell 200 dog sled race. And it was
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  S2: kind of a warm up race. Little did I know
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  S2: I'd get into colder temperatures on the Cantwell 200 than
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  S2: I would even raw temperature, not including wind, because it
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  S2: was like not a breath of wind, but it was
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  S2: 4050 maybe nudging by the time I got to McLaren
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  S2: River Lodge, which was the halfway point, it's 100 miles in,
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  S2: 100 miles out. By the time I got to the
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  S2: McLaren River Lodge, It's down kind of in a little
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  S2: bit of a valley. And guys, when it's cold out
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  S2: and then you dip into a valley in Alaska. Oh, Nelly.
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  S2: It was so stinking cold.
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  S7: It's colder than cold in a valley of one of
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  S7: the coldest places ever.
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  S3: It's.
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  S7: Yeah, it's really cold.
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  S2: Yeah. And I, and I, and I learned something. When
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  S2: I got to McLaren River Lodge, I was in second position.
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  S2: Not a lot of teams in the race, but probably 30.
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  S2: And my team was in second position. I had a
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  S2: really good dog team and they were they were great
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  S2: guys and gals, man, a tremendous team. So I turned around,
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  S2: fed them up, took a little bit of a break,
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  S2: probably stopped there for hours, turned the team around and
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  S2: headed back for that next hundred miles. And that next
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  S2: hundred miles proved some things. It proved that these 50
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  S2: mile runs were disguising that some dogs had endurance while
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  S2: others didn't, and I wound up having to load a
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  S2: couple of different dogs onto my sled while I was
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  S2: making that haul out of there. And another 100 miles.
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  S2: When you're 100 miles in like that, I think it
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  S2: was probably probably another 16, 17 hours of mushing my team.
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  S2: And this is where I saw the aurora borealis, like
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  S2: I never have before in my life. And it was
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  S2: it was wild because usually Aurora's there. They're like sheets
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  S2: of waves of light moving in the skies. By the way,
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  S2: if you see that and you can't see God, you're blind,
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  S2: my friend. So we're we're mushing along on this trail
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  S2: and I'm starting to see, uh oh, I got a
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  S2: couple dogs on the neckline that I thought were really conditioned. Well,
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  S2: but this longer run of 200 miles really revealed that, uh, one,
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  S2: one young dog needed some more training for sure. And
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  S2: a couple of dogs weren't even going to make it
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  S2: into the Iditarod. So I came to the start of
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  S2: the Iditarod with 13 dogs and the. And the beauty
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  S2: of the Cantwell 200 is that it showed me who
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  S2: was going to make the cut for the longer haul,
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  S2: and who wasn't going to make the cut. And in
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  S2: one case, the young dog that his name's pirate, he.
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  S2: I was able to have a talk with him after
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  S2: that race, and I said, buddy, you've got the physical ability,
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  S2: but I'm going to need you to lean into our
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  S2: next couple months of training before this race, before we go.
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  S2: And I don't speak I'm not fluent in husky, but
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  S2: I'm pretty close. And he got it, and he leaned
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  S2: in to training for the next couple of months, and
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  S2: he made it with me all the way to Nome.
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  S2: But I knew that I would need to position him
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  S2: in the team for the last couple of months before
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  S2: the Iditarod kicked off in a place where a little
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  S2: more weight was on him. So I put him in wheel,
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  S2: made him pull a little bit harder just to get
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  S2: them geared up. And we had a we had a
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  S2: great conversation. Me and Pirate Man, he was a beautiful dog,
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  S2: just a beautiful dog. And he had the most beautiful
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  S2: gait when he ran. You know, some dogs gaits, by
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  S2: the way, are good for 50 miles. But when you
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  S2: get to 100, 200, 300, 400, 800 miles, that gait,
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  S2: just the style of their running, actually makes it tougher
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  S2: for them to make it the long haul. So smooth
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  S2: gait on this guy got him in wheel, where he
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  S2: carried a bit more of the load. And by the
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  S2: time we got to know him, Alaska, he was in
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  S2: swing or in lead a couple of times. That's how
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  S2: much his conditioning changed in just eight weeks before the Iditarod.
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  S2: But the point is, I would have never known who
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  S2: to leave home and who to bolster in training. I
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  S2: pirate without that race. We're talking this whole week about
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  S2: redeeming time. You you don't know what you don't know,
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  S2: do you?
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  S4: No. I mean, and I think that we all have
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  S4: some blind spots.
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  S2: Oh, for sure.
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  S4: You know, you can you can think that you have
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  S4: a good idea of how you spend your time or,
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  S4: or what you're doing in your free time. And, and
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  S4: you obviously you're aware of what you're doing, but in
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  S4: terms of time, I think it's easy to under or
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  S4: overestimate both directions.
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  S2: It is, it is. And you don't know what you
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  S2: don't know. So we've been offering up a link this week. And,
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  S2: you know, it just dawned on me, some of you
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  S2: might look at this and go seven days tracking every
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  S2: half hour of my of my week, seven days. Here's
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  S2: what I really believe. If you tackle this for two days,
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  S2: you're going to find some black holes. You just give
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  S2: it two days. So some of you are in this thing.
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  S2: We've had so many of these links go out. Some
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  S2: of you are in it to win it, and you're
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  S2: doing a seven day assessment, and you're joining me and
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  S2: I'm tracking every half an hour for seven days. I
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  S2: do this from time to time, and I do it
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  S2: by nature. The fact that my day planner is broken
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  S2: into half hour segments for every waking hour. But when
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  S2: you track time, make appointments and begin to see where
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  S2: your time is going. Huge revelation occurs. You begin to see, wow,
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  S2: this is redeemed. Well, this is where I'm not redeeming it. Well,
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  S2: and I want to put a disclaimer here. Again, this
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  S2: is not about workaholism. This is not about filling every
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  S2: moment of your day to be busy. It's about redeeming
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  S2: time because the days are evil. It's about Romans 1311.
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  S2: You know the time Paul said, so wake up because
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  S2: the hour has come, he says. So there's two different
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  S2: uses of two different uses of the word time there.
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  S2: One is a season of opportunity and the hour means hurrah!
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  S2: That's the original word hurrah. And it means the hour
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  S2: is now. The time is now. So I want to
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  S2: encourage you to take this challenge. Even if you dip
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  S2: your toe in for a couple of days, it will
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  S2: serve you really well. Now, it's not for the faint
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  S2: of heart, because you got to log every half an
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  S2: hour and what you're doing with it, right?
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  S4: Yeah. But if you want to jump in on this,
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  S4: just text time to 805, five, five, 78, 98. Like
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  S4: Carl said, even if you just do a couple of days,
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  S4: try to do some of the weekdays and some of
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  S4: the weekend, I think both of those are helpful. So
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  S4: maybe you do one weekday, one weekend day, just text
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  S4: time to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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  S2: In these black holes, I would say for 80% of
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  S2: you listening right now, I would say the black holes
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  S2: are going to be sometime generally after 5 p.m. and
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  S2: it's that 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. or for some
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  S2: of you, 11 p.m. for some of you, 12:00 middle
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  S2: of the night, that can be a real black hole,
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  S2: because we have these hours after a hard day of work,
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  S2: or watching kids or shuttling kids as Ali's in this season,
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  S2: shuttling kids all around the planet for different sporting events
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  S2: that you find yourself with this time. And sometimes you
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  S2: need a break. And by the way, I'm all for that.
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  S2: There's nothing wrong with taking in a TV show or something,
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  S2: but you'll know, because the Spirit of God who indwells
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  S2: you will be revealing to you. Uh oh, something's getting
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  S2: sucked up here. I'm getting susceptible to getting my turkey
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  S2: in a squisher in some area of my life that
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  S2: I don't want to be in, and it's just a
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  S2: beautiful thing. So if you haven't yet, now is the time.
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  S2: Notice how I said that?
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  S4: Yep. Text time to 805 557898. Just that one word
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  S4: time 805 557898.
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  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S2: All right. We're not going to delay any longer. Ali
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  S2: has stepped to the mic of this. I'm making it
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  S2: way too dramatic. We're talking about black holes, and we
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  S2: thought we would lead the way. What are those black
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  S2: holes of time wasting that God wants to redeem? Ali,
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  S2: what's your story?
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  S4: Yeah, for me, for sure. It has to do with
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  S4: the phone. I mean, that's an that's an easy one.
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  S4: The the phone is just the thing that's so easy
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  S4: to grab when you have a couple of extra minutes
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  S4: when you're running from one place to the next. And
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  S4: so there's a couple of things on my phone. I don't,
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  S4: I don't have any games installed. There's a lot of
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  S4: things that I'm not at all tempted to do on
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  S4: my phone because I don't find interesting, but I like
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  S4: reading articles, I like going on social media. And one
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  S4: of the challenges, particularly with social media, is that I
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  S4: actually have things that I have to do on social media,
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  S4: so I manage the Carling crew social media accounts primarily.
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  S4: I have my own account, which ironically is the one
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  S4: that I actually do the least with. And then I
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  S4: have my I had a podcast for a while, so
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  S4: I had that social media account and then I managed
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  S4: my daughter's social media. She's a high school basketball player.
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  S4: She's a college prospect. So she's in the recruiting process.
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  S4: So there's lots of things that you have to do
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  S4: to kind of.
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  S2: You got opportunities.
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  S4: I have opportunities, but I also have, um, so there's
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  S4: the good opportunities. Okay. I've got, you know, I had
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  S4: some posts up this week for Karl and crew. I
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  S4: had stuff up this week for my daughter, but then
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  S4: it turns into, let me see what's going on over
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  S4: here in this corner of the girls basketball recruiting world.
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  S4: You know, you're normal. So I'm just I'm looking at
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  S4: rankings and I'm looking at other people's social media pages
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  S4: to see what they're posting. And then it just becomes
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  S4: an absolute rabbit hole. And time just passes quickly as
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  S4: you're just kind of do people say doom scrolling, which
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  S4: I don't love that word because it sounds so dark,
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  S4: but it's just kind of that endless scroll where you
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  S4: keep saying, I'm gonna get off, oh, I probably should
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  S4: get off. And then you just, it's just one more
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  S4: little click or one more couple minutes. And so there
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  S4: was a time when I had asked for kind of
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  S4: some accountability with this, with a mentor in my life.
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  S4: So she had me sending her per my request. I said,
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  S4: I want you to do this for me. I would
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  S4: screenshot my screen time with the different categories of what
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  S4: I was doing on my phone, and I would send
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  S4: it to her at the end.
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  S3: Of the week.
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  S4: It was awesome.
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  S2: By the way. Very vulnerable.
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  S4: So much it was. And then after a time I
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  S4: felt like I was not getting victories. And so here's
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  S4: the thing. You you don't want to keep like acknowledging
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  S4: your failures. So then you can like back away from
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  S4: the accountability, which I totally did.
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  S2: Ali what's funny? Quick parenthetical thought that is so picking
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  S2: real people love to be accountable as long as they're winning,
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  S2: but when they start losing, all of a sudden, whoop,
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  S2: phone calls dry up.
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  S4: You lose a couple weeks in a row and then
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  S4: you have to send screenshots of, of, of screen time.
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  S4: That's like way high. And I'm not even going to
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  S4: put a number on you, but did you kind of go, oh,
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  S4: maybe I can manage this by myself again. And managing
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  S4: it by myself is not working.
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  S2: This is so honest.
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  S4: So my, here's my new plan that that I've asked,
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  S4: I've enlisted the help of my husband, who does not
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  S4: have the same kind of struggle with the the draw
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  S4: to the phone. So I said, I want you to
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  S4: I'm going to set a time that I think is
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  S4: a reasonable amount of time to do the things that
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  S4: I need to do, and then it's going to cut
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  S4: off and have a screen time passcode. I said, you're
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  S4: going to pick the passcode. And he said, I don't
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  S4: remember passcodes well, so I'm going to write it down
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  S4: on a card. He's going to write it down on
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  S4: a card rather, and he's going to lock it up
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  S4: in the safe so that it's if I needed absolutely
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  S4: needed to go get it, like I had to post
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  S4: something in the time I can, but it's going to
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  S4: require so much effort and so much sense of like,
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  S4: I'm blowing past all the barriers. If I just, I.
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  S2: I'm seeing you right now. Left 12 right 42.
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  S3: Left.
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  S2: Seven click. I went too fast. Try it again.
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  S4: So I'm, I'm making it so that breaking the, the
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  S4: parameters that I'm setting up kind of busting through the fence,
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  S4: so to speak, will require so much effort that I'm
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  S4: hoping that it will be enough of a deterrent to
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  S4: kind of bring my screen time numbers back to what
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  S4: I would like them to be.
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  S2: That is powerful sharing. That is powerful sharing. If you
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  S2: got a question for Ali about what she's doing? Give
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  S2: us a call 805 557898. No, really?
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  S3: Okay.
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  S2: I mean, there's a lot of people struggling with this.
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  S2: You got a question for Ali? Give her a call.
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  S2: 805 557898. Might be the mechanics of her new kind
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  S2: of approach to this thing with Henry. And locked away
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  S6: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
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  S2: All right. We're going to open up phone lines to
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  S3: Is.
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  S2: 805 5578, 98. She has arrived and she's got answers.
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  S4: So when I share that the thing that's the black
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  S2: Ask people to call in for questions. So no, this
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  S2: what what's the name of the city you're in, bro?
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  S8: Uh. I'm in. I'm in Weeki Wachee.
• 18:44
  S2: Oh that's right. I've heard of that before. Yeah, yeah.
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  S8: What are you watching? Springs.
• 18:49
  S2: Yeah. Right on. Okay. What's your question for the expert
• 18:52
  S2: on all things electronic time management?
• 18:55
  S8: The queen expert on that. Okay. Great. Anyway, first of all,
• 18:59
  S8: thank you all for everything that you do for the
• 19:02
  S8: Lord Christ Jesus. And especially, um. Uh, Ali, I'm telling
• 19:06
  S8: you what. I was wanting to always say this to you.
• 19:08
  S8: You're so articulate and, uh, and your rhetoric and explaining things.
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  S8: I just love that. It really helps.
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  S2: Uh. Looky there.
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  S8: Yeah.
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  S4: Thank you, I appreciate that.
• 19:19
  S8: Yeah. So anyway, um, I have been thinking about just
• 19:23
  S8: turning off all the electronics on one day a week.
• 19:26
  S8: So how would I go about implementing that? Do you
• 19:29
  S8: have any suggestions?
• 19:30
  S4: Oh, that's a good question. Which electronic do you feel
• 19:32
  S4: like is the thing that is most, uh, I guess
• 19:35
  S4: tempting to, to waste time on.
• 19:38
  S8: Texting on the phone.
• 19:40
  S4: Texting. Okay, then here's my recommendation. James. This comes from
• 19:44
  S4: a place of battling the same thing. I think you're
• 19:47
  S4: not going to be able to get away from texting altogether.
• 19:51
  S4: So I don't think you can go unless you're just
• 19:52
  S4: going to go. No contact. So I think what your
• 19:55
  S4: objective is, is to consolidate it into a set time.
• 20:00
  S4: So if you're tracking your time, maybe you decide that
• 20:02
  S4: at 530, I'm going to spend a half hour going
• 20:06
  S4: through and responding to any text messages and then texting
• 20:11
  S4: anyone that I needed text. As long as it's not
• 20:13
  S4: anything urgent and communicating with those who are close to you. Hey,
• 20:15
  S4: I'm going to try to only be texting during this time,
• 20:19
  S4: recognizing that most matters aren't urgent to where they need
• 20:23
  S4: an immediate response. So having a 24 hour window where Okay,
• 20:28
  S4: I'll respond to that other text tomorrow. So that would
• 20:31
  S4: be my recommendation is to have set a time, maybe
• 20:35
  S4: a 30 minute window where you handle all of it
• 20:37
  S4: and then you put it away.
• 20:39
  S2: Yeah, I'm going to add to that because we do
• 20:41
  S2: that as well. James. And, uh, take it from myself
• 20:44
  S2: and my bride on this one. Don't let techs train you.
• 20:49
  S2: You train techs. And I know techs are people, but
• 20:52
  S2: oftentimes if you get into the rut of an immediate response, boy,
• 20:56
  S2: you start training a style of relating that isn't sustainable
• 21:00
  S2: and probably not healthy. But James, you're rocking with Jesus.
• 21:04
  S2: How long you been following Jesus, my man?
• 21:07
  S8: Oh, let's see, since 1984.
• 21:12
  S2: Really? That's me as well. My man. Way to go.
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  S8: Yeah. And in Missouri.
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  S2: Way to go! Way to go, James. Keep it up.
• 21:20
  S2: Keep walking with Jesus, my man. And thanks for being
• 21:22
  S2: a listener here. Good stuff. All the way around, guys.
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  S3: Yeah.
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• 22:33
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• 22:37
  S2: Well, it's usually one thing, isn't it, Allie?
• 22:39
  S4: It's usually that one thing that when you start to
• 22:42
  S4: think about why am I stuck? Why am I not
• 22:45
  S4: living the life that I want to live? Usually there's
• 22:48
  S4: one big thing that comes to mind first that's holding
• 22:52
  S4: you back, right?
• 22:53
  S2: Yeah. But but the beauty of it is if we can,
• 22:56
  S2: and I've seen this so many times, you want some
• 22:58
  S2: hope today? Boom crew, if you can get victory over
• 23:01
  S2: that one thing. I kid you not. It is a
• 23:04
  S2: domino effect. It's a flywheel effect. It's one victory gives
• 23:08
  S2: birth to another. And we got someone who has seen
• 23:12
  S2: a victory birthed in her life. Kathy, how are you
• 23:15
  S2: doing this morning?
• 23:16
  S10: Oh, I'm just amazing.
• 23:17
  S2: So clutter was eating your lunch and maybe everyone in
• 23:21
  S2: the home.
• 23:22
  S10: Oh, absolutely. Eating my lunch, taking my lunch money, doing
• 23:25
  S10: all the things. Absolutely. My dad was a hoarder and
• 23:29
  S10: I've never been a hoarder. But I have definitely been
• 23:32
  S10: in that space where, like, you just can't make the
• 23:35
  S10: next decision because there's so much stuff in your house.
• 23:38
  S10: And so I, that was my one. Well, I've had
• 23:42
  S10: many things, but that was one of my one things.
• 23:45
  S3: But it's a big.
• 23:46
  S2: One, wasn't.
• 23:46
  S3: It?
• 23:47
  S10: It's a huge thing. And, you know, it's so interesting
• 23:49
  S10: because if you look at the New Testament, Jesus talks
• 23:53
  S10: about money and possessions more than anything else. This is
• 23:56
  S10: no surprise that this was going to be a problem
• 23:59
  S10: for many of us in our lives, and I was
• 24:02
  S10: one of them.
• 24:03
  S4: Cathy Lipp, our guest right now, she's an author, speaker, blogger.
• 24:06
  S4: She hosts a podcast called the Clutter Free Academy. Now
• 24:11
  S4: let's talk about this. I remember a couple years ago
• 24:13
  S4: here on our morning show, we started talking about this issue.
• 24:17
  S4: And very quickly, Carl, I'm sure you remember this, the number.
• 24:20
  S3: Of.
• 24:21
  S4: Responses that we got from people who said clutter or
• 24:26
  S4: hoarding or stuff. It was overwhelming the amount of people
• 24:31
  S4: for whom this was such a big issue. And so
• 24:34
  S4: many of them had so much shame associated with it.
• 24:38
  S4: The feeling of, I don't want people to come into
• 24:40
  S4: my house. I'm not able to fully be active in
• 24:43
  S4: ministry the way I'd like to. The effects of clutter,
• 24:46
  S4: even if it doesn't get to the. The term hoarding.
• 24:50
  S4: It keeps us from living our best life. Did you
• 24:53
  S4: feel that?
• 24:54
  S10: Oh, Ali, I was the person who. If you wanted
• 24:57
  S10: to come over for coffee. We were drinking that on
• 24:59
  S10: the front porch because there was no way you were
• 25:02
  S10: coming into my house. And here's the thing. Like the
• 25:05
  S10: people who struggle with clutter are the kindest, most generous
• 25:10
  S10: people I have ever met in my entire life. But
• 25:12
  S10: you're absolutely right. There's a barrier. And we're struggling against
• 25:17
  S10: marketing messages that say, if you want to live life,
• 25:20
  S10: you need this thing and that thing and all these things.
• 25:23
  S10: But then also your house should look like you possess
• 25:26
  S10: none of those things.
• 25:28
  S3: And it is a battle.
• 25:31
  S10: It is.
• 25:32
  S3: A battle and hide.
• 25:33
  S2: It all. Yeah.
• 25:34
  S10: Exactly. And I, I don't know about you guys. I
• 25:36
  S10: do not have that much storage in my house. And
• 25:39
  S10: so I had to really reconcile not just with the
• 25:42
  S10: getting rid of stuff, but keeping stuff from coming in
• 25:45
  S10: in the first place. And it's a battle.
• 25:48
  S2: I got to ask you something here. You mentioned something.
• 25:51
  S2: Why is it that the sweetest, kindest, I mean, most
• 25:56
  S2: gentle people on the planet have sometimes the biggest problems
• 26:00
  S2: with clutter. Is there something going on there? What's going on?
• 26:03
  S10: I think one, we are people pleasers. We want to
• 26:06
  S10: make sure that everybody is taken care of. We want
• 26:08
  S10: to do all the things. And so and also, I'm
• 26:11
  S10: just going to say it's going to sound weird, but
• 26:14
  S10: I think it's very hard for us to say no.
• 26:17
  S10: And that is including with marketing messages. It's including saying
• 26:22
  S10: no to our kids. It's including saying no to our
• 26:24
  S10: parents who say, you want my 24 settings of China, right?
• 26:29
  S10: And we have a hard time saying no, even in
• 26:33
  S10: our own best interest. And it's something that we have
• 26:35
  S10: to work at and something we have to get better at.
• 26:38
  S4: So, Kathy, what did it look like? One for you
• 26:40
  S4: to first make the recognition that, okay, this is something
• 26:45
  S4: that is a problem for me, and I need to
• 26:48
  S4: start working toward victory because it's easy for this to
• 26:50
  S4: be a low level, kind of low underlying thing for
• 26:53
  S4: decades and never be addressed. But you must have reached
• 26:56
  S4: a point where you went, enough is enough. I got
• 26:59
  S4: to do something about this.
• 27:00
  S10: I think it was several things happening at the same time.
• 27:03
  S10: I think it was one, the recognition of I am
• 27:07
  S10: limiting my life because I'm not inviting people over to
• 27:10
  S10: my house, to the amount of time I spend stuck
• 27:16
  S10: not being able to get rid of things, not being
• 27:18
  S10: able to make decisions and feeling overwhelmed all the time
• 27:22
  S10: and not wanting to pass that on to my kids.
• 27:25
  S10: And then also recognizing the amount of money that was
• 27:29
  S10: going into not just buying this stuff, but organizing it,
• 27:33
  S10: the containers, the all the stuff and all of those
• 27:37
  S10: things took me off of God's purpose. And so, you know,
• 27:41
  S10: to not being able to have a friend over for
• 27:43
  S10: a cup of coffee, to not be able to give
• 27:46
  S10: money to the organization, I wanted to all of that
• 27:49
  S10: hit at the same time, and I knew I had
• 27:51
  S10: to make a difference in my life.
• 27:53
  S2: Cathy Lipp is our guest right now, and we're going
• 27:54
  S2: to have a keyword for you and some resources that
• 27:57
  S2: are going to help you because we give hope, help,
• 27:59
  S2: and healing around here. Cathy, there has to be a
• 28:03
  S2: time when you look at yourself and go, okay, this
• 28:07
  S2: clutter thing, I'm missing the mark. I'm going to call
• 28:09
  S2: it what it is. It's sin. I'm missing the mark.
• 28:12
  S2: That's tough because We've got to get through that threshold
• 28:17
  S2: of going, this is not just clutter. This is something
• 28:20
  S2: going on inside of me. And what is that thing
• 28:23
  S2: inside of you? You've you've hinted at it, but for
• 28:25
  S2: you specifically, what was it?
• 28:27
  S10: It was fear. Guilt and shame. Fear. I'm not going
• 28:30
  S10: to have enough guilt. I've spent so much money on it.
• 28:33
  S10: I need to keep it for the rest of my
• 28:35
  S10: life and shame somebody else gave this to me. And
• 28:38
  S10: if I give it away, it means that that person
• 28:41
  S10: is no longer important to me. And when I recognize that,
• 28:46
  S10: and I admitted it to somebody else out loud, because
• 28:50
  S10: I think this it is the most shame inducing thing.
• 28:54
  S10: You know, I've also struggled with my weight my whole life.
• 28:56
  S10: I've lost £100 in my life. But I would say
• 29:00
  S10: that this felt more shameful than that. And so to
• 29:03
  S10: finally come to the realization, I need to talk about
• 29:07
  S10: this with somebody, whether that's a counselor or a trusted
• 29:09
  S10: friend and say, I need to get, you know, this fear,
• 29:13
  S10: guilt and shame is eating me up and I want
• 29:16
  S10: to live a different life. And you can. You absolutely can.
• 29:19
  S10: I've seen it happen hundreds, if not thousands of times.
• 29:22
  S10: The recovery from this.
• 29:23
  S3: So, Cathy.
• 29:24
  S4: What does the recovery from something like this look like? Because,
• 29:28
  S4: you know, you see like the Pinterest worthy homes where
• 29:31
  S4: everything's white, all the cabinets are white, all the furniture
• 29:33
  S4: is white. No pets or children in sight. But what
• 29:37
  S4: is what are you aiming for when you say clutter
• 29:40
  S4: free academy or clutter free home? And this is now
• 29:43
  S4: your thing. What's the goal?
• 29:45
  S10: The goal is to walk into a space and feel
• 29:50
  S10: like you belong there. To feel like, you know. Yeah,
• 29:53
  S10: I don't want to live in somebody else's perfect house.
• 29:57
  S10: And by the way, I'm always going to have clutter
• 29:59
  S10: because I live a big life. I, you know, mail
• 30:02
  S10: comes in, groceries come in. I'm working on a craft project.
• 30:06
  S10: Like there's always going to be some clutter, but clutter
• 30:10
  S10: is life. It's the, It's the excess that. That's where
• 30:15
  S10: it starts to weigh us down. And so I want
• 30:18
  S10: to have a home where if you walk in, you
• 30:22
  S10: know that there is life going on there, but you
• 30:24
  S10: also don't feel overwhelmed by that life.
• 30:29
  S2: So is this a bite at a time rather than
• 30:33
  S2: this whole big old elephant? One room, one closet, one drawer.
• 30:38
  S2: What is it?
• 30:38
  S10: Yeah. The most depressing sentence in the English language is
• 30:42
  S10: I'm going to declutter my house today.
• 30:44
  S3: I mean, oh, gross, I.
• 30:46
  S10: Know, thank.
• 30:47
  S3: You.
• 30:49
  S10: But if I say I'm going to do 15 minutes
• 30:51
  S10: on this junk drawer or I'm going to do 15
• 30:54
  S10: minutes just like pulling my living room back together and
• 30:57
  S10: people think, oh, Kathy, you have not seen my house,
• 30:59
  S10: 15 minutes isn't going to do it. 15 minutes is
• 31:02
  S10: more powerful than you think. So set a timer, do
• 31:06
  S10: 15 minutes. Don't you know? Don't be distracted. That email
• 31:10
  S10: will wait. That social media post will wait. Just do
• 31:14
  S10: it for 15 minutes. And you know what? Even if
• 31:16
  S10: the first 15 minutes doesn't make a difference, by the
• 31:19
  S10: third 15 minutes, you're going to be seeing a real
• 31:21
  S10: difference and you're going to start to love your space more.
• 31:24
  S2: I got a crazy question. I was driving past a
• 31:27
  S2: big old storage unit yesterday. I mean, a behemoth. And
• 31:31
  S2: I've heard the stories on this that a lot of
• 31:33
  S2: people have these things. In fact, I love to ask
• 31:35
  S2: questions to people all the time. So I was in
• 31:37
  S2: a storage unit place one time. I said, what's the
• 31:39
  S2: most storage unit someone has here? You know, she said five.
• 31:42
  S2: And I said, they must, they must have a business. No,
• 31:44
  S2: she says, it's just household goods. And this person was
• 31:48
  S2: so bold with her, the manager of the storage place,
• 31:51
  S2: that they were filled with shame. Someone listening, not someone
• 31:55
  S2: thousands have a storage unit in. That sucker haunts them.
• 31:59
  S2: They're paying $149.99 a month for this.
• 32:02
  S3: Stupid.
• 32:03
  S2: Thing. And how do you how do you ever get there?
• 32:06
  S10: Yeah. So one And I know that you are not alone.
• 32:10
  S10: There are more storage units than there are. McDonald's.
• 32:14
  S3: Wow.
• 32:14
  S10: So yeah, if that gives you an idea about that.
• 32:18
  S2: You don't mean individual units. You mean places?
• 32:21
  S10: I mean places, uh, storefronts. Goodness, yeah. You know, I
• 32:26
  S10: live incredibly rurally. You know, there is not a McDonald's
• 32:29
  S10: for an hour and a half from where I live,
• 32:32
  S10: but I can think of seven storage unit places. So
• 32:35
  S10: you are not alone. This is this is the money
• 32:39
  S10: cycle that we live in the United States. We spend
• 32:42
  S10: the money and then we spend money to store the money.
• 32:45
  S10: And so I would say, if you can have it
• 32:50
  S10: a goal, if you have five storage units, get it
• 32:52
  S10: down to four. You can do that, I promise you.
• 32:55
  S10: And here's the thing, if you are not using it,
• 32:58
  S10: think about the time, the money, the energy that that
• 33:01
  S10: is draining from you to store those things. And I
• 33:04
  S10: like to think about it this way when I donate
• 33:07
  S10: something that is getting into the hands of somebody who
• 33:11
  S10: will actually use it, people are not. I mean, yes,
• 33:14
  S10: there are some people who are going to, you know,
• 33:16
  S10: the goodwill or other organizations and buying things they don't need.
• 33:20
  S10: But when I was a single mom, that's how I
• 33:23
  S10: furnished my home. That's how I clothed my kids. People
• 33:27
  S10: were giving their things that they were no longer using,
• 33:30
  S10: and it helped create a life for this single mom.
• 33:33
  S10: And so I want you to think about, could you
• 33:36
  S10: be putting that into use for somebody? Because the sad
• 33:39
  S10: thing about storage units is people are storing things and
• 33:43
  S10: those things are becoming obsolete, or they're becoming eaten by moths.
• 33:47
  S10: We we know about this biblically.
• 33:49
  S3: It's biblical, it's biblical.
• 33:51
  S10: And so get that into the hands of somebody who
• 33:53
  S10: can use it. Maybe God gave you that extra money
• 33:56
  S10: to buy that thing so that it could get into
• 33:58
  S10: the hands of somebody who actually needs it.
• 34:01
  S4: Cathy Lipp. She has the Clutter Free Academy podcast, also
• 34:04
  S4: has books. Her website has some really great tools. I
• 34:08
  S4: just was looking at your 50, like quick micro sorting.
• 34:13
  S4: I it gave me so many ideas that I want
• 34:16
  S4: to try when I get home.
• 34:17
  S3: I love it, Ali. Thank you. Ali's gonna do her
• 34:20
  S3: 15 minutes in the drawer thing.
• 34:22
  S4: Got my day planned out and it's not decluttering my
• 34:24
  S4: whole house. Maybe I'll do one drawer today.
• 34:27
  S3: That's it.
• 34:28
  S4: Text clutter will set you up. Text clutter to (800) 555-7898
• 34:33
  S4: if you want more from Kathy Lip, our guest this morning,
• 34:36
  S4: text clutter to (800) 555-7898.
• 34:42
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 34:45
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 34:47
  S2: There's a.
• 34:48
  S1: Classic term.
• 34:49
  S2: That's used young thunder. You've heard this one before. The
• 34:52
  S2: issue is rarely the issue.
• 34:55
  S5: Yeah. And it said a lot because it's true. If
• 34:58
  S5: I'm walking.
• 34:59
  S7: Around grumbling and maybe having some trouble controlling my anger,
• 35:04
  S7: it's probably not just because the guy in front of
• 35:06
  S7: me cut me off. There's probably something deeper to that.
• 35:09
  S2: I mean, scripture is clear. What comes out of your
• 35:11
  S2: mouth is really a heart issue. And counselors say the
• 35:14
  S2: presenting issue often isn't the issue, because what presents itself
• 35:19
  S2: is often something a little bit deeper. Lori Davis is
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  S2: with me right now, former journalist, women's ministry director, and
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  S2: she's got a handle on this thing called emotional hoarding,
• 35:32
  S2: letting go of the stuff that keeps you stuck. We
• 35:36
  S2: got a whole week here of get it together, folks.
• 35:39
  S2: And yet there's no condemnation in this. What usually is
• 35:43
  S2: the presenting issue that when you dig a little deeper,
• 35:46
  S2: there's something emotional going on. What do you say, Lori?
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  S11: Yeah, that's a loaded question right out of the chute.
• 35:51
  S11: I think maybe we could pick on anger for a minute.
• 35:55
  S11: Since since you already brought that up. Yeah. You know, anger,
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  S11: we often talk about it as a secondary emotion. So
• 36:03
  S11: when we talk about quote unquote hoarding anger, to your point,
• 36:08
  S11: what we're really hoarding is something deeper. It takes a
• 36:11
  S11: lot of courage to go kind of digging for that,
• 36:15
  S11: looking in our emotional closets, if you will, because often
• 36:18
  S11: what we find there underneath anger is grief or loneliness. Fear,
• 36:25
  S11: something that's much harder to express. Anger is easier to grab,
• 36:29
  S11: which is why when someone cuts you off in traffic,
• 36:31
  S11: you unload in anger. But yeah, to your point, there's
• 36:35
  S11: there's almost always something deeper.
• 36:38
  S2: Yeah, I'm, I'm loving this topic. I don't know that
• 36:41
  S2: we've ever gone after this. Um, you know, we can
• 36:45
  S2: think about organizationally stuff that you hoard, but your contention
• 36:51
  S2: is emotionally, if we don't offload and clean the shelves
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  S2: of our heart, it's going to bite us in the
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  S2: backside here. Bottom line. Right. Lori.
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  S11: Yeah, that's a really clear bottom line. I mean, I
• 37:04
  S11: think emotionally hoarded hearts are an awful lot like physically
• 37:10
  S11: hoarded homes. There's only so much space. And at a
• 37:16
  S11: certain point in a hoarded home, for example, entire rooms
• 37:20
  S11: stop working the way they were designed to, to work.
• 37:24
  S11: You know, you can't make dinner in the kitchen anymore
• 37:26
  S11: because there's stuff stacked everywhere. So it's the same in
• 37:30
  S11: an emotionally hoarded heart, you know, entire areas of our
• 37:33
  S11: heart stop working, right? If we don't let the Lord
• 37:37
  S11: be Lord over everything in there.
• 37:42
  S2: Uh, Lori. So let's, let's even back up a little
• 37:45
  S2: bit more. What is emotional hoarding?
• 37:50
  S11: Yeah, that's a great question. I think we're all familiar
• 37:52
  S11: with emotional baggage, right?
• 37:54
  S3: Right.
• 37:54
  S11: So when we use that term, we're generally talking about, um,
• 37:59
  S11: un processed and dealt with difficult emotions. And so this
• 38:04
  S11: emotional hoarding, this concept kind of takes that up a
• 38:07
  S11: notch because this is now we're getting into emotions that
• 38:11
  S11: we have allowed to accumulate. Sometimes we do that willingly.
• 38:18
  S11: You know, we, we like holding on to grudges, which
• 38:21
  S11: the emotion attached to that is bitterness. Sometimes we do
• 38:25
  S11: it in sort of a self-preservation way, right? Like we
• 38:29
  S11: learned patterns in childhood. We learned to say sorry for
• 38:33
  S11: things that maybe weren't our fault. So now we struggle
• 38:36
  S11: with false guilt. And sometimes we think we should hold on.
• 38:41
  S11: If we hold on to that shame, that'll keep us
• 38:44
  S11: from relapsing into sin. So there's a variety of reasons
• 38:48
  S11: why we hold on. But this idea of emotional hoarding
• 38:51
  S11: is emotional accumulation.
• 38:54
  S2: How many people are emotionally hoarding because they don't want
• 38:59
  S2: to let someone else off the hook.
• 39:02
  S11: Oh, man. Well, all of us maybe.
• 39:04
  S2: Yeah, I think probably 100% right. At some level.
• 39:08
  S11: Yeah. At some point in our lives, actually, I like
• 39:11
  S11: that question a lot because one of the things that
• 39:13
  S11: surprised me when I was researching this book, emotional hoarding,
• 39:18
  S11: was that statistically, at any given time, each of us
• 39:22
  S11: is holding on to seven grudges.
• 39:26
  S3: Wow. Wow.
• 39:28
  S2: There's science on this.
• 39:30
  S11: There's science. And actually, I said that at a retreat
• 39:33
  S11: last weekend. And, you know, there were a couple women
• 39:35
  S11: seated near the front that were kind of like making
• 39:37
  S11: the facial expression. I'm not holding a grudge. And to
• 39:41
  S11: that I said, and if you feel like you have
• 39:44
  S11: a clean slate, you're not a grudge holder. You forgive easily.
• 39:47
  S11: That's great news. But that means the woman next to
• 39:49
  S11: you is holding grudges.
• 39:53
  S3: And the one you've.
• 39:53
  S2: Thought that is. It isn't true anyway, Um.
• 39:56
  S11: Right. Yeah.
• 39:58
  S2: So if you're going to not emotionally hoard grudges. What's
• 40:03
  S2: God plan to deal with them? And I'm not talking
• 40:06
  S2: about all out bitterness. I'm just talking about grudges because
• 40:09
  S2: those can be nagging and weighty, can't they?
• 40:14
  S11: Yeah, I think I think it takes a little bit
• 40:16
  S11: of courage to look in the mirror and say, you know,
• 40:20
  S11: I'm holding on to this and I like how it feels.
• 40:25
  S3: Yeah.
• 40:26
  S11: So I think that's a good starting point. But I
• 40:30
  S11: think it just takes a, you know, when Jesus said,
• 40:33
  S11: carry your cross daily, I used to think that meant
• 40:37
  S11: just check marks on a reading plan. I think this
• 40:41
  S11: is the kind of stuff he was talking about. Lay
• 40:44
  S11: it down. It's not worth the cost.
• 40:47
  S2: Laurie Davies is my guest right now. Coming up here
• 40:50
  S2: in a moment. Let's get we can't unpack all of
• 40:53
  S2: it because you've written on it extensively. But let's give
• 40:57
  S2: some basic steps of how you identify emotional hoarding and
• 41:02
  S2: how you begin to offload it. More with my guest,
• 41:05
  S2: Lori Davies, straight ahead.
• 41:07
  S1: The gospel changes everything.
• 41:10
  S4: Where else am I gonna find peace, joy, eternal life
• 41:13
  S4: not found in anyone else?
• 41:16
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 41:18
  S2: Lori. Dave is with me right now. She's the author
• 41:21
  S2: of a brand new book, and we're going to feature
• 41:23
  S2: this in just a moment. But one of the cool things,
• 41:27
  S2: and when I say brand new, I'm talking this month, guys,
• 41:30
  S2: one of the cool things that we're tackling here today
• 41:32
  S2: that I don't think we've ever gotten after this directly
• 41:34
  S2: is emotional hoarding. How do you help people identify whether
• 41:39
  S2: they're hoarding really bad emotions? Because not all emotions are bad,
• 41:43
  S2: by the way, but how do you help people identify
• 41:46
  S2: if they're doing that?
• 41:47
  S11: Each chapter in emotional hoarding deals with an emotion. And
• 41:53
  S11: so in each chapter, there's kind of a cheat sheet on, hey,
• 41:57
  S11: this might be building up in you if a, b, c, d, e, um,
• 42:03
  S11: so globally ten zero zero zero foot view, I would
• 42:06
  S11: say we can tell we're emotional hoarders if we're ruminating
• 42:09
  S11: on something, think about it all the time, or if
• 42:12
  S11: we're completely avoiding it, going the opposite direction. Like you've
• 42:17
  S11: heard the euphemism, you know, just sweeping things under the rug.
• 42:20
  S3: Yes.
• 42:21
  S11: So one way or the other, a lot of this
• 42:23
  S11: stuff shows up in our physiology. You know, we're not
• 42:26
  S11: sleeping well. Our, our tummies hurt. Um, so there are
• 42:32
  S11: those kind of global symptoms. But then in each chapter
• 42:35
  S11: I look at, well, what happens if worthlessness has built
• 42:40
  S11: up in you? What are the symptoms of that? Same
• 42:43
  S11: with fear, same with worry, same with um, bitterness we've
• 42:47
  S11: already hit on. So I think the reader will kind
• 42:51
  S11: of be able to look step by step at at, hey, this,
• 42:56
  S11: this might have built up and I didn't even see it.
• 42:59
  S2: So let's take a big one. Let's take the emotion
• 43:02
  S2: of bitterness over betrayal. Okay, let's just go after that one.
• 43:07
  S2: If I walk into you and I say, and by
• 43:09
  S2: the way, this is women and men, everybody struggles with this.
• 43:12
  S2: But let's say I walk in you and go, Lori.
• 43:15
  S2: All right, here's the deal. I was burned by a buddy,
• 43:21
  S2: and that betrayal hurts. And the reason it's betrayal is
• 43:24
  S2: because he was a buddy, right? You don't you don't
• 43:26
  S2: feel betrayed by the guy on the street that calls
• 43:28
  S2: you an idiot. So I was betrayed. Now I've got
• 43:32
  S2: this emotion that I'm holding on to or hoarding. How
• 43:36
  S2: do I let it go?
• 43:37
  S11: Well, first you have to identify it. We can't fix
• 43:40
  S11: what we won't name. So I think take inventory first.
• 43:44
  S11: Are you consumed with negativity toward that person? Do you
• 43:48
  S11: not like it if something good happens to that person.
• 43:52
  S2: Oh good one.
• 43:54
  S11: Do you keep tabs on that person not letting them
• 43:57
  S11: out of your life? Like, do you do you kind
• 43:59
  S11: of check their social media all the time? Um, do
• 44:02
  S11: you feel irritated if their name comes up? So I
• 44:04
  S11: think first we have to look at is this. Has
• 44:07
  S11: this built up in me? And then for the letting go,
• 44:12
  S11: I think there has to be a movement toward Lord,
• 44:16
  S11: I'm willing to start this process of forgiveness. You know,
• 44:19
  S11: the the dad in Mark nine, the dad who says,
• 44:24
  S11: I believe, Lord, help my unbelief. I think we kind
• 44:27
  S11: of start the same process with forgiveness. Like, Lord, I
• 44:30
  S11: forgive all my unforgiveness. And we enter that process of
• 44:36
  S11: of understanding that bitterness isn't going to get us closer
• 44:38
  S11: to Christ. It's not going to get us closer to people.
• 44:42
  S11: And in the end, it's just not worth the toll
• 44:45
  S11: that it takes on our hearts.
• 44:48
  S2: What's the blue sky vision here? Lori. Lori Davies, my guest,
• 44:52
  S2: by the way, author of this new book, Emotional Hoarding.
• 44:54
  S2: I'm going to have a link for you here in
• 44:55
  S2: just a moment, not only to the book, but to
• 44:57
  S2: her site. So it's going to be a cool, cool
• 45:00
  S2: link here, but what's the blue sky vision? What are
• 45:03
  S2: we aiming for? How do you I mean, come on,
• 45:06
  S2: put a carrot out there. What are we going after here?
• 45:09
  S11: Freedom. Freedom is our target. I think if we're looking
• 45:14
  S11: essentially at what happens when things stack up, we're talking
• 45:17
  S11: about grudges. Maybe dread around secrets, regrets, fear. When all
• 45:23
  S11: of that stuff compounds. Well, that starts to sound like
• 45:27
  S11: a life of bondage.
• 45:28
  S3: Yeah.
• 45:29
  S11: That's exactly where the enemy wants us.
• 45:33
  S2: So here it is, guys. Boom! Crew, we want to
• 45:35
  S2: get this into your hands. Text the word stuck. It's
• 45:39
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• 45:42
  S2: you stuck. Just text the word stuck to Hundred 5557898
• 45:49
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• 45:56
  S2: Use them both and watch God work in your life.
• 45:59
  S2: Freedom is the goal. Text the word stuck to 800 555, 78, 98.
• 46:06
  S1: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 46:10
  S2: Brand new features. Second installment starting today. The time is.
• 46:15
  S3: Now.
• 46:18
  S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
• 46:21
  S12: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude.
• 46:23
  S13: That's a metaphor.
• 46:24
  S12: It's a metaphor. I know it's a metaphor.
• 46:26
  S1: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
• 46:30
  S2: Okay, this way it works. Uh, by the way, great
• 46:33
  S2: big music. Love that. Amazing how many times metaphor is
• 46:36
  S2: used in movies.
• 46:37
  S3: Um.
• 46:38
  S2: We are really having some fun with this. So a story,
• 46:43
  S2: a place, a person, a thing, something going on out there.
• 46:47
  S2: And we tell the story in young Thunder draws spiritual
• 46:51
  S2: application from it, God willing. A lot of pressure.
• 46:54
  S3: On him.
• 46:54
  S7: God willing. I don't know what the stories are before
• 46:56
  S7: before this segment right now, so I don't know what
• 46:59
  S7: I'm gonna hear.
• 47:00
  S3: Ali. You're up.
• 47:02
  S4: Okay, so this is a really simple one from my
• 47:04
  S4: house this week. So we had this, uh, doorbell that
• 47:09
  S4: was broken and it's been broken for a long time.
• 47:13
  S4: So we had no way of knowing when people were coming, except.
• 47:17
  S3: I was going to say.
• 47:18
  S2: They think it's working.
• 47:19
  S3: Right, except.
• 47:20
  S4: For a text or a knock on the door. So
• 47:23
  S4: you can see why that's obviously a problem. So this
• 47:25
  S4: is one of those things that just kind of was
• 47:28
  S4: on the to do list, but fell and fell and fell.
• 47:30
  S4: So finally this week I got a new video doorbell installed.
• 47:37
  S4: So it's it. And I've just been staring at it
• 47:40
  S4: because when you finally get that thing accomplished. So now it's,
• 47:44
  S4: mounted outside and I can I have a good clear
• 47:47
  S4: view of the whole front porch. So now we went
• 47:50
  S4: from having no doorbell to a sleek video one. I
• 47:54
  S4: can look at it on my phone, I can know
• 47:56
  S4: what's happening. And that's the big news from my household
• 47:59
  S4: this week. I now have a doorbell.
• 48:02
  S2: These were invented for Ali. This is your jam. Why?
• 48:07
  S2: Why would you say doorbell? To monitor what's going on.
• 48:11
  S2: Are you kidding me? You love it.
• 48:12
  S4: Our house is actually not wired for a traditional doorbell.
• 48:16
  S4: So we have to have one that's just kind of.
• 48:19
  S4: I don't want to wire it for that. So just
• 48:20
  S4: a video doorbell is the new thing that's happening. So
• 48:23
  S4: that's my real life. This week, Jonathan, how can you
• 48:27
  S4: make that a metaphor?
• 48:28
  S7: Well, man, let me tell you something. There is nothing
• 48:30
  S7: more frustrating than something that has a job, a very
• 48:36
  S7: clear purpose, but isn't accomplishing it. Nothing can be more
• 48:40
  S7: frustrating than that. And you know what? We as Christ
• 48:44
  S7: followers have been given a purpose. A clear job by God.
• 48:48
  S7: Second Peter or First Peter two nine says, but you
• 48:52
  S7: are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
• 48:55
  S7: a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim
• 48:58
  S7: the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness
• 49:01
  S7: into his marvelous light. Your purpose on this earth is
• 49:06
  S7: to proclaim the excellencies of God so that others can
• 49:10
  S7: come to know him. You know, Saint Augustine of Hippo says,
• 49:14
  S7: you have made us for yourself, and our heart is
• 49:18
  S7: restless until it finds rest in you. Our heart is
• 49:22
  S7: restless until we come close to God and accomplish his
• 49:26
  S7: purposes with him. That is what he's made us for,
• 49:30
  S7: and that is where we find the most joy. So
• 49:32
  S7: you might be feeling some frustration in your life right now.
• 49:35
  S7: Maybe things just aren't going quite the way you feel
• 49:38
  S7: like they should, and you don't know why. Maybe it's
• 49:41
  S7: because God's given you a clear purpose, and maybe you
• 49:46
  S7: need to take a step deeper into that purpose.
• 49:50
  S2: Ding ding.
• 49:50
  S4: Ding. Wow.
• 49:51
  S7: Talk with God today and turned into that video doorbell.
• 49:55
  S7: That works perfectly because you're doing exactly what you've been
• 49:59
  S7: made to do.
• 50:00
  S4: Love it. Make it a metaphor. Boom. How is he gonna.
• 50:05
  S4: How is he gonna spin a broken.
• 50:07
  S2: Where he was.
• 50:08
  S4: Replaced? Doorbell. Make it a metaphor.
• 50:10
  S7: Make it a metaphor.
• 50:11
  S4: Thursdays, 630 and 830. Central time right here on Carl
• 50:14
  S4: and Crew. This is a new feature. And soon we're
• 50:18
  S4: going to be asking you for your real life stories, too.
• 50:20
  S4: So get those ready.
• 50:22
  S2: Yeah, you get to call in and pitch him a story,
• 50:24
  S2: and he's going to make it a metaphor for spiritual diamonds.
• 50:27
  S2: Guys just like that. That's a lot of fun. Way
• 50:31
  S2: to go, my man. Thanks.
• 50:33
  S7: I really enjoy it.
• 50:34
  S2: 30 year old, old timer. The old soul is accurate.
• 50:39
  S2: It's good stuff.