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October 23, 2025 (Hour 2) · Zone 1150 - Chip Howard's SportsTalk

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in to the Clark Eisenhower Outdoor Addition for a Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a couple of things coming up.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to revisit a bone fishing trip in Belize
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  Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago, and then we're
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  Speaker 1: going to revisit the new trout speckled trout regulations. And
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  Speaker 1: this has been about a year and a half as well.
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  Speaker 1: UH from Louisiana and from the state of Texas with
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  Speaker 1: Chester Moore and his hire calling podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: But I saw this story today. A Washington man the state.
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  Speaker 1: Of Washington who conspired to hunt and kill bald and
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  Speaker 1: golden eagles and hawks on the Flathead Indian Reservation to
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  Speaker 1: sell on the black market was sentenced to three years
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  Speaker 1: and ten months in prison, to be followed by three
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  Speaker 1: years of supervised probation and order to pay seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and seventy seven thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars in restitution.
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  Speaker 1: Travis John Branson of Cusick, Washington, He's forty nine, formerly
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  Speaker 1: of the Flathead Reservation, pleaded guilty this past March to conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: two counts of unlawful trafficking of bald and golden eagles,
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  Speaker 1: a violation of the Laciac prohibiting interstate trade in wildlife
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  Speaker 1: which has been taken, possessed, transported, or sold in violation
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  Speaker 1: of state or federal law. The Lacy Act also prohibits
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  Speaker 1: any person from making or submitting any false record, account, label, for,
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  Speaker 1: or identification of wildlife that has been or was intended
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  Speaker 1: to be transported. US District Judge Dana Christensen, presiding the court,
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  Speaker 1: order Branson to self report to.
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  Speaker 4: The Bureau of Prisons. US attorney.
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  Speaker 1: One of the US attorneys involved, Jesse Laslovich, said the
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  Speaker 1: bald eagle, adopted as America's national symbol in seventeen eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: represents our country's core ideals of freedom, strength, and justice.
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  Speaker 1: Once on the brink of extinction, eagles recovered only because
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  Speaker 1: of conservation efforts by the American people and federal laws
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  Speaker 1: protecting them. None of that mattered to Travis Branson. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: Branson went on a self described killing sprees for thousands
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  Speaker 1: of eagles and hawks, butchered them, sold the parts and
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  Speaker 1: feathers for profit on the black market. He knew he
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  Speaker 1: was committing felonies and joked his cost to kill them
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  Speaker 1: was the price of a bullet, but his conduct was
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  Speaker 1: no laughing matter. With today's sentence, the cost of Branson
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  Speaker 1: was more than a bunch of bullets. He forfeited the
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  Speaker 1: very freedom the bald eagles sybolizes. The unlawful killing of
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  Speaker 1: these majestic birds violates federal law and as a profound
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  Speaker 1: offense against our nation's cherished natural heritage. According to Edward Grace,
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  Speaker 1: Assistant director of US Fish and Wildlife Services for Law Enforcement,
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  Speaker 1: Travis Bradson's blatant disregard for the law and the sanctity
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  Speaker 1: of these protected species highlights the urgent need for stringent
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  Speaker 1: enforcement greater public life awareness regarding wildlife trafficking. His actions
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  Speaker 1: are particularly egregious considering the significant number of bald and
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  Speaker 1: golden eagles he killed for personal profit. Such behavior will
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  Speaker 1: not be tolerated. We will continue to work closely with
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  Speaker 1: our law enforcement partners to protect America's wildlife and hold
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  Speaker 1: accountable all who are engaged in these activities. Confederated Sleish
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  Speaker 1: and Kootin Eye Tribes Chairman Mike Dolson says we're going
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  Speaker 1: to feel the impacts of the Flathead Reservation's raptor loss
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  Speaker 1: for years to come. We hope this helps put a
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  Speaker 1: stop to illegal poaching on our homelands and gives these
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  Speaker 1: birds a chance to recover. Eagles are not only a
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  Speaker 1: treasured important part of the reservation's ecosystem, they have a
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  Speaker 1: profound place in.
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  Speaker 4: The cultural and spiritual practices.
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  Speaker 1: In court documents, the government alleges that between jail January
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  Speaker 1: of twenty fifteen until around March of twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: Branson and others hunted and killed eagles in the Flathead Reservation.
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  Speaker 1: He then sold the eagles on the black market across
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  Speaker 1: the US and elsewhere. Traveling from Washington to the Flathead
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  Speaker 1: Reservation where he met CO defended Simon Paul. Branson and
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  Speaker 1: Paul would shoot, transport, and ship bald and golden eagles
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  Speaker 1: for future black market sales. CO defendant Paul remains a fugitive.
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  Speaker 1: The government sought restitution of five thousand dollars per eagle
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  Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and fifty dollars per hawk. The government estimates
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  Speaker 1: between twenty oh nine and twenty twenty one, Branson made
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  Speaker 1: between one hundred eighty thousand and three hundred sixty thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars by selling eagles, feathers and parts for profit on
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  Speaker 1: the black market.
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  Speaker 4: Who's buying this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: The government's in investigation showed Branson and others killed approximately
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  Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred birds. At least one hundred eighteen
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  Speaker 1: eagles and one hundred seven hawks killed were directly traceable
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  Speaker 1: to Branson and documented through his own text messages. Branson
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  Speaker 1: had taken up to nine eagles at a time. A
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  Speaker 1: photograph shows nine sets of feathers, with one stacked on
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  Speaker 1: top of the other. Law enforcement recovered text messages from
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  Speaker 1: Branson stating he was specifically looking to shoot a baby eagle.
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  Speaker 1: Not only did he kill eagles, he butchered them into
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  Speaker 1: pieces to sell. In March of twenty twenty one, Branson
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  Speaker 1: shot killed a golden eagle. Law enforcement stopped and recovered
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle, defeat and feathers, and recovered the remainder carcass
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  Speaker 1: in the field. Branson knew killing and selling eagles was
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  Speaker 1: illegal and that he did not have a permit. When
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  Speaker 1: negotiating a purchase price for eagle feathers, Branson said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't get him for free. Though out here committing felonies.
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  Speaker 1: Branson told another potential buyer, he would obtain another eagle
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  Speaker 1: tale by going on a killing spree. Further, he acknowledged
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  Speaker 1: that international shipping was illegal. I just get him for
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine cents price of a bullet, l ol, said
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  Speaker 1: one text message. The US Attorney's Office, US Fish and
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  Speaker 1: Wildlife Service, the Kutinae Tribes Fishing Game Department all helped
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  Speaker 1: in this investigator. I don't know what to say about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's disgusting. It's disgusting that there's a market for that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a discuss. It's more disgusting that people are
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  Speaker 1: just willing to go out and shoot bald eagles. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy. I got to tell you, I'm surprised he
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  Speaker 1: to get more prison time three years and ten months.
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  Speaker 1: He probably won't spend all of that time.
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  Speaker 4: The payment of.
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  Speaker 1: The restitution three quarters of a million dollars certainly is substantial.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if he's they said he made, you know,
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  Speaker 1: between one hundred and eighty and three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, that's an eleven year, twelve year period.
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  Speaker 4: That's not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, get rich money. It doesn't say anything about firearms.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming in cases like this. We've read nothing mis egregious.
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  Speaker 1: But the guy's guns are taken away and they need
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  Speaker 1: to be by the way. You you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: freedom guy, right, but somebody like this, No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 4: They're outlaws.
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  Speaker 1: They don't deserve the freedom to carry any kind of
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  Speaker 1: gun ever after something that idiotic.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's just it's crazy.
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  Speaker 7: Ah.
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  Speaker 4: All kinds of people, all kinds of stupid people. So
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  Speaker 4: let me do this.
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  Speaker 1: When a New Jersey housekeeper was attacked by a coyote
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  Speaker 1: Monday afternoon while outside with the family dog.
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  Speaker 4: This is in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty one year old victim in the backyard of a
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  Speaker 1: home in the Woodcliffe Lake subdivision that connects a nature
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  Speaker 1: preserved when the animal pounced on her, wounded her shoulder, arm,
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  Speaker 1: leg and back. The homeowner can be seen on a
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  Speaker 1: video running outside to fight off the coyote, which fled
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  Speaker 1: after also attacking the family dog. The dog's okay. The
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  Speaker 1: housekeeper has to have RABI shots. It's not known if
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  Speaker 1: the coyote is rabbid because they hadn't caught it yet.
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection advises to avoid feeding coyotes, foxes,
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  Speaker 1: and other wild animals. Well, that's wonderful advice. Clearing brush
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  Speaker 1: and weeds can produce the potential for coyotes. I had
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  Speaker 1: a close encounter with a possum last night in my backyard,
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  Speaker 1: and I think some of you may or may not
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  Speaker 1: be proud of me. I keep a little baby gun
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  Speaker 1: there to ward off squirrels at the bird feeders.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't do any damage, and.
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  Speaker 1: So I got that out and kind of scared the apossum.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, he didn't run very fast, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he went very far. This is the second siding.
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  Speaker 1: My wife saw it a couple of weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 1: we do have bird feeders, and I'm assuming they're there.
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  Speaker 1: I extolled the virtues to her of a possums and
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  Speaker 1: the environment with insects and such. She wasn't I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she was buying that. I think she would have
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  Speaker 1: preferred the silent, deadly pellet gun, and I could have used.
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  Speaker 4: I could have used that kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Force, and and I'm not saying I won't if the
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  Speaker 1: problem persists. There's nothing wrong with the possum. He's out
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  Speaker 1: at night, he's obviously not rabid. I'm sure there's a
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  Speaker 1: family of possums nearby. I don't want to encourage them.
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  Speaker 1: All I'll say is I guess the possum just caught.
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  Speaker 4: Me in a in a good mood last night, and.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the night would be different in case he's listening
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  Speaker 1: or any member of his family is listing. I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 1: back to the coyote, the Wildlife Service in New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: receives about one hundred couty related calls per year. Although
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  Speaker 1: and I love this extremely rare, couties have been known
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  Speaker 1: to attack humans. Parents should monitor their children. That's always
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  Speaker 1: good advice, I think for those of us who are
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  Speaker 1: you know, parents are younger children or even older children
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  Speaker 1: for that matter. If couties are present, make sure they
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  Speaker 1: know they're not welcome, like you know, pellets to the head.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't do that in New Jersey and New York.
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't broadcast it here in my own backyard, but.
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  Speaker 4: I could do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Wildlife Services, uh said, this isn't a joke, So.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we saw that it was a joke
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  Speaker 1: when a coutie was wounding this woman, which was.
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  Speaker 4: Caught on video. But just to make sure it's it's
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  Speaker 4: not a joke.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the Clark Eisenhower Outdoor Edition for
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  Speaker 1: a Thursday. Don't forget tomorrow my weekly visit with Kurt
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  Speaker 1: Bowles of the Houston Chronicle and Tony Catalina of the
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  Speaker 1: Austin American Statesman. That's tomorrow on the program. Monday we
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  Speaker 1: will have the writers Roundtable, and Tuesday I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: visit with Paul Myers. He is the brother of actor
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  Speaker 1: comedian Mike Myers. He has written a biography of John Candy.
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  Speaker 1: It is terrific. It's hard to believe John Candy has
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  Speaker 4: As he had.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he was forty three when he died. But
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  Speaker 1: we will visit with Paul Myers on the show next
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday and his biography of John Candy. All right, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to go back, just not too long. My first
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  Speaker 1: and so far only trip to Belice, and of course
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  Speaker 1: we brought the high wind with us that day.
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  Speaker 11: We are off ambergus Key and Belie on the Clark
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  Speaker 11: Eisenhower Outdoor. Addition, I'm with guide Captain Nano Guerrero after
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  Speaker 11: a day on the water has been extremely patient. He's
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  Speaker 11: given me great tips all day long. But Nano, in
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  Speaker 11: order for those tips to work, you have to have
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  Speaker 11: somebody that listens to you.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, and they have to take their time
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  Speaker 12: and make.
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  Speaker 7: A knife soft cast.
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  Speaker 11: You know. I'm I'm fair when we're practicing. But when
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  Speaker 11: those bone fish start, when you start going ten o'clock
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  Speaker 11: and they're moving that way, that's when everything speeds up,
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  Speaker 11: and that's when everything's slow down. Yeah right, Yeah, that's right,
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  Speaker 11: So if I gave you, if I told you had
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  Speaker 11: a day to fish, what species would you fish for?
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  Speaker 7: Usually I will go for the boones.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, for permit you have to be get your line
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  Speaker 12: out a little quick to get there because they are
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  Speaker 12: more you know, justo more easy than the boones.
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  Speaker 11: Difficult is it to catch a permit on a fly?
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  Speaker 12: Not at hard, as long as you take your time.
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  Speaker 12: You have to watch them. Just take your time and
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  Speaker 12: work with them, you know. But you can get them.
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  Speaker 12: It's just a matter of taking your time.
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  Speaker 11: How old were you when you picked up a fly rod? Oh?
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  Speaker 7: Boy, I was on my late twenties, I guess. Yeah, okay, had.
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  Speaker 11: You already done some diving or diving before then?
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  Speaker 7: Diving? Scuba diving? I used to scuba dive for a while.
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  Speaker 11: How much of your business is taking people diving and
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  Speaker 11: how much of it is fishing?
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  Speaker 12: I'm doing mostly fishing right now. I'm doing pretty good
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  Speaker 12: with the fishing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: The diving, we had a little bit more competition, yeah,
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  Speaker 12: but bigger companies. Yeah, bigger companies, bigger boats. So that's
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  Speaker 12: why I changed the fly fishing.
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  Speaker 11: You told me that you fish quite a few Texans
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  Speaker 11: down here.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: We get a lot of people from Texas Florida too.
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  Speaker 12: Now we're getting from different parts of the country from
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  Speaker 12: the US due to the airlines opening new new areas,
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  Speaker 12: you know. But yeah, but mostly I'm in Texans.
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  Speaker 11: Well, we don't have bone fish in Texas, so that's
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  Speaker 11: what We've got to go somewhere to catch bonefish, right.
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  Speaker 7: That's right, we have them here.
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  Speaker 12: It's uh, apparently the ones and believes are a little
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  Speaker 12: smaller than done you know, like U Bahamas. But we
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  Speaker 12: have like big schools that you can find on the
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  Speaker 12: shallow area.
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  Speaker 11: And today was a difficult day because the wind is blowing.
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  Speaker 11: The first thing Nano said to me when he pulled
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  Speaker 11: up to the dock is did you bring the wind?
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  Speaker 11: And what did I tell you? Not? Yeah, that's right,
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  Speaker 11: I said, yes, idea, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 11: hard enough when conditions are perfect. We don't date a
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  Speaker 11: twenty mile an hour wind massive.
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  Speaker 7: Weapons, that's right.
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  Speaker 12: When it's the normal win here would be like five
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  Speaker 12: to fifteen, which is perfect.
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  Speaker 7: That would be good.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, you don't you don't want to completely still.
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  Speaker 12: No, no, no, the fish is not really that active cloth.
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  Speaker 12: They can see you any little noise, you know, when
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  Speaker 12: it's a dead cam.
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  Speaker 7: Not too good.
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  Speaker 11: This may be the quietest guy about I've ever been with.
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  Speaker 11: I gotta tell you we're fish. I'm fishing from the
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  Speaker 11: bout about. I've got my fly rod. And then I
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  Speaker 11: look up and now I was standing right beside me.
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  Speaker 11: I didn't hear a thing you did.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, just trying to help you.
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  Speaker 12: Still, city fish guide you a little bit, you know,
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  Speaker 12: so you can put your calf right where you needed.
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  Speaker 11: How how much does it take to spot these fish?
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  Speaker 7: How what?
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  Speaker 11: How long did it take you to just key it on? Thanks?
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  Speaker 12: Well, you know, since I've been doing this for a
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  Speaker 12: little while. So I can see him from far and
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  Speaker 12: sometimes it depends on the water. But sometimes I can
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  Speaker 12: see the fish. I can see water movement, I can
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  Speaker 12: see flashes sometimes tailing fish. So it all depends, you know.
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  Speaker 12: But a nice sunny day you can see all those things.
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  Speaker 11: We had. We had most of the day, which was good.
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  Speaker 11: It was a little partly cloudy earlier this morning. Tell
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  Speaker 11: me a little bit about you mentioned tailing bone fish.
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  Speaker 11: We didn't see any.
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  Speaker 7: Of those today.
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  Speaker 12: No, Usually you find those in the very shallow area,
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  Speaker 12: and you know when the tiger goes a little a
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  Speaker 12: little low. Then they come on the edges and that's
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  Speaker 12: where you could find them tailing, you know, but today
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  Speaker 12: was a pretty windy day, so a little harder to
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  Speaker 12: find him.
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  Speaker 11: Hey, we caught some fish for sure, which is you know,
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  Speaker 11: a miracle, but we did. How many days a year
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  Speaker 11: do you think you fish?
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  Speaker 12: Oh's a good question, but well we're pretty busy from
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  Speaker 12: late December till around July. You know, that's our busy season.
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  Speaker 11: It's hot, hot, stale in July, August, maybe.
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  Speaker 12: July, yeah, it's warm. But February March you can have
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  Speaker 12: got you know, those cold fronts a little cool sometimes
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  Speaker 12: I and clear, sometimes windy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: What what's your favorite month for boat fish?
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: I think sometimes November because the winter, when you have
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: a light nerd nerd wind, the water gets clear, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: can see fish. Sometimes they're very active, so you have
• 22:17
  Speaker 12: good chances.
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: I know, people come from all over. You mentioned the
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: winter time. People are trying to get out of the
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: cold weather when they cut down here.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: Right, that's right, that's right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: How much have you seen this place grow? I mean,
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: you're a native, you've been here all your life.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Oh, a lot, a lot of change.
• 22:35
  Speaker 12: When I was growing up, probably maybe like five vehicles,
• 22:38
  Speaker 12: four or five vehicles. Now the island has expanded. Oh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: I think we're growing too fast.
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: Where are all these people coming from.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: From all over? All over?
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: We got from Central America that come for libor. Then
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: we have expot that come and live here. You know
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: a lot of Americans.
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: You have a lot of I noticed there's a lot
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: of building going on too.
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: Oh yeah, they're building a lot of condos. Not much
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: hotels now, it's all condos now. Yeah, mostly con news.
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: I will tell people that we're in ambergus Key. We
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: we we flew into the main airport in Belize City.
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: You could take a little puddle jumper and airplane fifteen
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: minute flight. We took the ferry for the adventure and
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: that was fun too. So there's several ways you can
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: get here.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, mostly water talk for you by plan yeah. Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: Well you can charter a boat, you know, if it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: a bigger groups charter a big boot then yes, yeah, yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: Well the other thing I've noticed there's a lot of
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: things for tourists. In other words, you have you know, sailboats,
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: you have opportunities to snorkel. There's snorkeling trips. There's people,
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: there's there's just people. And I know that there's combination.
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: You can do a snorkel trip and a fishing trip.
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you can do snortling with a little bit of fishing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: Then you do a little bit of cookout on the
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: beach fresh yeah, catch, you know, and you know deepsey fishing,
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: it's pretty close.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: You don't have to go that far, you know. For
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: the deep se fishing.
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: The reef is like over one hundred miles long that
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: runs off of this key.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: One hundred we have like one hundred and seventy five miles.
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: Wow, and that's one of the largest reefs in the world.
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: And yeah, the second largest in the world from the
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: Great Barrier, that's right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so you understand that that gives you the opportunity
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: for all kinds of water things and fish and all
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: of that. My wife asked me, how did I find no, no,
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: And I said, well, I always look for guys. I'm
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: not saying the guys that do the combination trip don't
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: know what they're doing, but I always look for guys
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: that you're a fisherman. It's like you have lots of
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: years of experience. I said, that's the guy I want
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: to go with.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
• 24:47
  Speaker 12: If you're going to do like fly fishing, try to
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: get the guy that I've been doing that for a while, and.
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: Not only that, this guy will He didn't. He didn't
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: help me because I'm beyond help. But he tried all
• 24:59
  Speaker 11: day to help my casting. And I had, out of
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: like a thousand casts, I had a couple of good ones,
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: didn't I.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: That's right, good ones, really good ones.
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: The last shot we had on the biggest bonefish we
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: saw today was my best cast. Unfortunately, the bonefish you're already.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: Moved by to turn you up with a direction, So.
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: I'm used to that. I mean, where that's Look, these
• 25:22
  Speaker 11: things aren't easy, are they.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a little challenge. If it's too easy, it's
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: not gonna be fun.
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: You're right, I mean, it is a challenge to catch
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: these little devils, and even you who can spot them
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: from one hundred yards away, and I don't know how
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: you do it. They even disappear sometime from you from you.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Don't you go to dolf, where's the dude? So you
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: have to really keep an eye on them. If not,
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: you lose truck.
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: Of them and you're looking. You've already mentioned sometimes you
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: could be a little flash, you know, if they turn
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: from the sun the water shallow, you can get a
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: little displaced water so you can see them that one.
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah, sometimes you can feel like a little shit or
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: if they don't flash, you know, but sometimes you consider
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: whole fish.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: Once you concentrate on what you're looking, you can you
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: can do it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: And I ask you about sharks. We had not seen
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: it until this afternoon. We saw little one that was
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: messing around. We needed him to leave, and we just
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: saw a little bit larger and it's not unusual.
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: Oh no, on the flats there, No, they come to
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: have bigger shark, come to have your young ones in here.
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: So yes, you said a small one. That's a baby
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: maybe like two weeks of old.
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: Wow, So this time of years when they're hard, the
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: time they're around small one.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: Once they get to a certain side and start moving
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: to part of the ocean, to the ocean, they're protected
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: over here.
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: Look what I would recommend fish you're through fish or
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: we can't be caught called through fish booker correct, Oh yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: I do it through a fishing booker or if.
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: That's an app it's a website or you could. You
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: could just guarantee if you'll google Nano Guerrero, ambergus Key
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: or Saint Pedro, his name will come up. They can
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: call you directly.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: They can't get me directly.
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this guy knows what he's doing. I'm just telling you.
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: He can't help somebody like me, but I promise he
• 27:09
  Speaker 11: can help you.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: Try my best.
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he tried all day long. It's very patient. He
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: wanted to throw me overboard, and that we did, but
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: he was very patient. We caught some fish today and
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: thank you so much.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: We're done. Welcome pleasure serving you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: It's a great boat. We're really shallow water. We are
• 27:31
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  Speaker 9: Welcome Back.
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  Speaker 1: It is the Clark Eisenhower Outdoor addition for a Thursday afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to jump back. It's been about a year
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and a half.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Chester Moore does a podcast, Long Time Outdoorsman in the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: southeast part of the state, and he took on trout
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: regulations as they were being discussed, and this has been
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago. I thought we
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would revisit that some of the arguments. Then, I for one,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: am thrilled at what has happened along the Texas coast.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I mean from Galveston to South Padre. The quality of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: trout that are showing up along the coast. Of course,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: part of that's been helped that we haven't had any
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: extremely cold weather. But I really like what is going
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: on with speckled trout fishing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Some of you may not agree with that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That's okay, but here's a part of the discussion.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: And welcome to Higher Calling Wildlife. This is Chestermore.
• 33:06
  Speaker 18: There are huge changes of foot for the spotted sea
• 33:09
  Speaker 18: trout fishery in the Gulf of Mexico in terms of
• 33:13
  Speaker 18: angler access to the fishery and what they can retain.
• 33:18
  Speaker 18: It started in Louisiana. Of all places, Louisiana rarely changes
• 33:23
  Speaker 18: fishing regulations, and now in Louisiana the size limit is
• 33:28
  Speaker 18: thirteen to twenty inches total length, only two fish included
• 33:33
  Speaker 18: with a daily bag limit. They call a crew limit
• 33:36
  Speaker 18: of twenty inches total length. Now daily bag limit is
• 33:41
  Speaker 18: fifteen per angler, and that is coast wide. Before it
• 33:45
  Speaker 18: was just from the Mermantaw River to the Sabine River.
• 33:47
  Speaker 18: That's basically Lake Kaalcashu. Sabine Lake was like that. The
• 33:51
  Speaker 18: rest of the state was twenty five inches. Charter Boat
• 33:54
  Speaker 18: guides and crew will no longer be able to retain
• 33:58
  Speaker 18: a crew limit while on a charter trip may engage
• 34:01
  Speaker 18: in fishing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: In other words, they.
• 34:02
  Speaker 18: Can help you catch your limit, but they can't add
• 34:04
  Speaker 18: a limit to what you're going to bring back. Now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 18: Texas Parks and Wildlife just in January twenty twenty four
• 34:13
  Speaker 18: change the five fish bag limit in Texas to three
• 34:16
  Speaker 18: fish per angler. There's a minimum length of fifteen inches,
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: a maximum now of twenty inches, and one oversized trout
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: greater than thirty inches allowed as part of a daily
• 34:29
  Speaker 18: bag limit.
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: In addition, Texas Parks and Wildlife Commissioners have granted permission
• 34:34
  Speaker 18: to publish a proposal to create a tag system that
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: allows for the take of oversized trout which is greater
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: than thirty inches, including one bonus tag per year for
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: a fee. And interestingly, most regulation proposals that happen like
• 34:50
  Speaker 18: in these spring regulation change meetings start September first. This
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: is going to start before then because Parks and whaw
• 35:00
  Speaker 18: Life has said, you know, be aware there's going to
• 35:02
  Speaker 18: be a regulation change happening.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: Soon, so we will let you know what we hear.
• 35:08
  Speaker 18: But I wanted to establish it there's some very interesting
• 35:11
  Speaker 18: stuff happening in the Gulf of Mexico as it relates
• 35:15
  Speaker 18: to the spotted sea trout. I think it's supporting to
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: go back and look at trends and trophy trout because
• 35:22
  Speaker 18: there seems to have been a downhill slide in the
• 35:24
  Speaker 18: production of extra big fish, and that can be measured
• 35:28
  Speaker 18: somewhat with looking at record fish along the Gulf coast.
• 35:32
  Speaker 18: We're going to take a deep dive on the records
• 35:34
  Speaker 18: of Texas because in two thousand and two, Carl Budd
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: Rowland caught the official state record on May the twenty third,
• 35:41
  Speaker 18: two thousand and two in the lower Laguna Madre. It
• 35:44
  Speaker 18: weighed sixteen pounds and measured a monstrous thirty seven inches.
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: That replaced the famous Jim Wallace fish called A nineteen
• 35:52
  Speaker 18: ninety six in bath and Bay there was thirteen pounds
• 35:55
  Speaker 18: eleven ounces.
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: And of course the all tackle world.
• 35:58
  Speaker 18: Record for speckled trout was called A nineteen ninety five
• 36:01
  Speaker 18: near Fort Pierce, Florida, and it weighed seventeen pounds and
• 36:06
  Speaker 18: seven ounces.
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: It's really really incredible fish.
• 36:09
  Speaker 18: So I don't think any fisherman hits the water their
• 36:13
  Speaker 18: whole life without thinking, what if I caught the world
• 36:15
  Speaker 18: record this or the world record that well, or maybe
• 36:19
  Speaker 18: even a state record or.
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: A water body record.
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: And it's fascinating to think that maybe that cast out there,
• 36:24
  Speaker 18: that top water throughout there, when I twitch it, that
• 36:27
  Speaker 18: the new world record, of the new Louisiana state record,
• 36:30
  Speaker 18: or the new Texas record speckled trout will slurping under it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 18: I'll be the record holder. It's a fun thing to
• 36:36
  Speaker 18: think about. It's also a lot of fun to look
• 36:39
  Speaker 18: when we start going into the trends of what makes
• 36:42
  Speaker 18: a big trout possible. We talked about that in the
• 36:44
  Speaker 18: first two episodes. But I want to start with Texas
• 36:47
  Speaker 18: because Texas has the most complete information and detailed information
• 36:53
  Speaker 18: on records for fish if any of the states along
• 36:56
  Speaker 18: the Gulf Coast, and it's really interesting to see this.
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: So we're gonna go into some trends, beginning with Texas. Now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: the famous Jim Wallace fish of nineteen ninety six. Here
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: it be the thirteen point nine pound record caught by
• 37:11
  Speaker 18: Mike Blackwood set in nineteen seventy five. So you had
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: nineteen seventy five, and then you had twenty one years
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: later you had Jim Wallace catch that big fish he
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: caught in baff And Bay. It took twenty one whole years,
• 37:23
  Speaker 18: nineteen years that Rowland caught his fish in the Lower
• 37:26
  Speaker 18: Laguna Madre. At the time of this recording in January
• 37:29
  Speaker 18: of twenty twenty one, no one had beaten Roland's record.
• 37:32
  Speaker 18: So the Florida record has stood so far for twenty
• 37:36
  Speaker 18: six years. So I'm going to break down some of
• 37:39
  Speaker 18: the trends and the records set in different base systems
• 37:42
  Speaker 18: along the Texas coast, going from the northern tier at
• 37:45
  Speaker 18: Sabine Lake down into the Lower Laguna Madre area, which
• 37:49
  Speaker 18: is the bud rolling fish.
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: So we're gonna go.
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: To Sabine Lake. Kelly Rising caught the lake record. I
• 37:55
  Speaker 18: reported on that in nineteen ninety nine. I broke the
• 37:58
  Speaker 18: story on that twelve pounds called March twenty eighth, nineteen
• 38:02
  Speaker 18: nine nine in Sabine Lake. Galveston Bays record RJ. Spencer
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: twelve pounds March nineteenth, two thousand and seven, Corpus Christie Bay,
• 38:14
  Speaker 18: Philip Spencer twelve pounds March eighteenth, twenty fourteen, Matta Gorda,
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: mark Ido eleven pounds January twentieth, nineteen ninety nine, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: the Gulf of Mexico records. So this fish was caught
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: in the surf. Is no information we can find one.
• 38:30
  Speaker 18: I've researched. It can't find any more information either caught
• 38:33
  Speaker 18: like on a pier that will be considered Golf of
• 38:35
  Speaker 18: Mexico surf or a rig or something like that. It's
• 38:39
  Speaker 18: thirteen pounds and that was caught May the twenty fifth
• 38:42
  Speaker 18: of nineteen sixty nine. Looking at these sizes and dates,
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: it's easy to see.
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: There is no real pattern.
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: Un Light largemouth bass, for example, where a huge amount
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: of Texas largest bass came from nineteen eighty six to
• 38:55
  Speaker 18: nineteen ninety three at Lake four. Big trouts seem to
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: show up at various times. Now, there's no question nineteen
• 39:01
  Speaker 18: ninety six was an incredible year for the baff And
• 39:03
  Speaker 18: Bay complex because several fish and the eleven to twelve
• 39:07
  Speaker 18: pound class were caught within a short span of Wallace's catch,
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: But all of those records have now stood for years.
• 39:14
  Speaker 18: One could look at major coastal freeze kills as being
• 39:16
  Speaker 18: a limiting factor in big trout production. That's a valid point,
• 39:20
  Speaker 18: but Wallace's fish came seven years after the major freeze
• 39:24
  Speaker 18: kill of nineteen eighty nine. That fish was definitely born
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: before the freeze. Is no doubt that his fish was
• 39:31
  Speaker 18: more than seven years old. A trout will live nine
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: ten years, and this fish was definitely toward the end
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: of its life cycle. Again, there's not a real pattern here,
• 39:39
  Speaker 18: And unlike largemouth bass and management, where there's really intensive
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: management in terms of trophy sized fish and world record
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: fish and literally breeding fish that are thirteen pounds and
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: bigger and putting them back in reservoirs, there's none of that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: We talked about episode two of the show with Shane
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: Buno in Texas. There's none of that where you're like
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: tweaking the genes. They're just catching trout. For me, based
• 40:00
  Speaker 18: system is stalking those fish back into the base system,
• 40:03
  Speaker 18: kind of letting nature take its course. Now there's regulations
• 40:06
  Speaker 18: now we've got down to a five fish limit, no
• 40:09
  Speaker 18: more than one fish a day over twenty five inches,
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: those kind of things, But there's nothing in terms of
• 40:12
  Speaker 18: like tweaking genetics to produce these really big fish. And
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: the question is can Texas ever produce a world record
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: trout or will ever be?
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: It's state records. So I don't know on that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 18: I think there's probably one swimming around there somewhere. Will
• 40:29
  Speaker 18: someone ever catch it?
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: We don't know.
• 40:31
  Speaker 18: But we're gonna move and look at some other states
• 40:34
  Speaker 18: just to give you some idea of what's happened timeline
• 40:37
  Speaker 18: wise there, and also just to kind of fish are
• 40:40
  Speaker 18: catching in different states. Along the Gulf of Mexico. Louisiana
• 40:43
  Speaker 18: has a fairly decent log system of fish. The Louisiana
• 40:46
  Speaker 18: Outdoor Writers' Association actually log the fish and they don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: have a base systems that I can find of, but
• 40:52
  Speaker 18: they do have a top ten of the species out
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: there and this is really really interesting. So the number
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: one fish ever caught in Louisiana on speckled trout Leon Mattz,
• 41:02
  Speaker 18: twelve point three eight pound fish in Lake Hermitage in
• 41:06
  Speaker 18: April of nineteen fifty. The next fish is Kenneth Kreeger
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: Lake Pontchatrain, January nineteen ninety nine, eleven point nine nine pounds.
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: The third place is Jason Truier, and that's called in
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: Lake Bourne, September nineteen ninety nine, eleven point two four.
• 41:24
  Speaker 18: Then know the Lake Calcashu where I love the fish
• 41:26
  Speaker 18: Timothy Mahoney, May two thousand and two, eleven point one six,
• 41:31
  Speaker 18: Kevin Galley, Capcashue, May nineteen ninety seven, ten point eight one.
• 41:36
  Speaker 18: And you see this goes all the way down to
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: the tenth place, which is ed Sexton in Venice, April
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: of two thy ten point five zero. There's a Sabine
• 41:45
  Speaker 18: Lake fish in there. There's a Breton soundfish in there.
• 41:49
  Speaker 18: From May nineteen seventy nine.
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: A lot of areas.
• 41:51
  Speaker 18: Calcashue has the most, followed by Ponta Train in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 18: top ten list, but the top records nineteen fifty we
• 41:59
  Speaker 18: have them as recently as twenty and thirteen on this list.
• 42:03
  Speaker 18: So it seems it's kind of all over the place
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: for big trout in Louisiana. All right, Mississippi has very
• 42:11
  Speaker 18: little records that I can find, But Chris Denton caught
• 42:14
  Speaker 18: the biggest trout there. He caught an April of twenty
• 42:17
  Speaker 18: and thirteen and weigh ten pounds. The fish that holds
• 42:22
  Speaker 18: the current record. The Alabama record is twelve pounds four ounces,
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: and that fish was caught in nineteen eighty in Orange Beach, Alabama.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: And of course we know about.
• 42:34
  Speaker 18: The Florida record, the world record fish at over seventeen pounds.
• 42:40
  Speaker 18: I mean, that's a mind blowing size fish, seventeen pounds
• 42:43
  Speaker 18: seven ounces. And so these records are kind of all
• 42:47
  Speaker 18: over the place, and you have to look at certain
• 42:50
  Speaker 18: factors of this. The biggest fish caught are in Texas,
• 42:54
  Speaker 18: in South Texas, Super South Texas, and in Florida. So
• 42:58
  Speaker 18: there's something that has to do with that. More semi
• 43:01
  Speaker 18: tropical environment, warmer waters year round, those kind of things
• 43:06
  Speaker 18: seem to make a difference on the absolutely huge oversized
• 43:10
  Speaker 18: speckled trout. You know, a largemouth bass are looked at
• 43:13
  Speaker 18: at thirteen pounds as being the standard bearer for like
• 43:16
  Speaker 18: super monster fish or any angler will be happy to
• 43:20
  Speaker 18: catch a ten pound bass. I haven't caught ten pound you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 18: I've caught a nine and a half, and I've caught
• 43:23
  Speaker 18: thousands of bass. Haven't broke the ten pound mark yet.
• 43:27
  Speaker 18: But in the bass world thirteen pounds. Texas Parks and
• 43:31
  Speaker 18: Wilife has their share longer program that's kind of like
• 43:33
  Speaker 18: the super sized fish. And looking at these lists, it
• 43:36
  Speaker 18: looks to me like, if you get to like twelve pounds,
• 43:41
  Speaker 18: you've entered a realm that few humans ever do with
• 43:44
  Speaker 18: speckled trout. And it's a really interesting list to look
• 43:47
  Speaker 18: at because it encompasses all the different kinds of environments
• 43:52
  Speaker 18: that you're gonna find a speckled trout in. I find
• 43:55
  Speaker 18: it fascinating because it encompasses all kinds of areas you
• 43:58
  Speaker 18: would find a spec trout in. Now, let's look at
• 44:02
  Speaker 18: the Texas list. For example, the record is in Lower Laguna, Madria.
• 44:06
  Speaker 18: We talked about that having the more saline environment, semi
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: tropical type environment, sort of matching what's in the part
• 44:14
  Speaker 18: of Florida where the world record tried at seventeen pounds
• 44:17
  Speaker 18: seven ounces is.
• 44:18
  Speaker 9: But you have fish that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 18: Are in the twelve pound category in the northern part
• 44:22
  Speaker 18: of Texas twelve pounds both in Galveson Bay and Sabing Lake.
• 44:26
  Speaker 18: And you have the Gulf in Mexico record. We don't
• 44:28
  Speaker 18: know where that is thirteen pounds. You have fish in
• 44:31
  Speaker 18: the surf, you have fish in what more intermediate brackish
• 44:35
  Speaker 18: type bays. You have fish in the Gulf of Mexico.
• 44:39
  Speaker 18: And then you go over to Louisiana. I think it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 18: really interesting in their top ten list Lake Hermitage in
• 44:44
  Speaker 18: nineteen fifty, there has it been a fish brought into
• 44:48
  Speaker 18: Louisiana since nineteen fifty. It's big than twelve point three
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: eight pounds, right.
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: So that's Lake Hermitage.
• 44:55
  Speaker 18: And then you look, although you have Breton Sound, I
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: fish in Breton Sound. That's actually an area out there
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: there around the Chandelier Island essentially right out in the Gulf.
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: Of Mexico area.
• 45:05
  Speaker 18: You have Calcashue Lake, you have done in Venice in
• 45:09
  Speaker 18: the Marches and Lake Pontchatrain, all these different kind of locations,
• 45:12
  Speaker 18: so it's not necessarily centered in one particular area. All
• 45:16
  Speaker 18: these fish that are over that ten pound mark. But
• 45:18
  Speaker 18: if you start looking at the ones that are, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 18: let's just say above eleven pounds. You get more of
• 45:25
  Speaker 18: a pattern here where these fish are going to be found. Okay,
• 45:28
  Speaker 18: if you look at the Texas list of fish, you'll
• 45:30
  Speaker 18: see fish all over the place. Of course, the bud
• 45:33
  Speaker 18: rolling fish caught in lower Laguna Madre. That habitat matches
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: very closely to the semi tropical area of Florida, very
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: very similar type of area. Then you have, you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: a thirteen pound fish caught in the Golf of Mexico.
• 45:49
  Speaker 18: Different areas producing these fish. Louisiana Top ten list, the
• 45:52
  Speaker 18: number one fish twelve point three eight pounds caught in
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: nineteen fifteen Lake Hermitage. Number two caught a ninety nine
• 45:58
  Speaker 18: in Poncha Train. But then you got fish caught in
• 46:01
  Speaker 18: Breton Sound, which is out in the Chandelier Islands essentially
• 46:04
  Speaker 18: almost out in the Gulf of Mexico there. And you
• 46:06
  Speaker 18: have fish caught in Venice in just different areas. So
• 46:09
  Speaker 18: it's kind of all over the map with these let's
• 46:11
  Speaker 18: just say ten pound plus fish would be caught. Where
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: is the next record going to come from? Will there
• 46:18
  Speaker 18: be another record? You've got to ask some questions in
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: terms of management of fish. Do I think Louisiana will
• 46:24
  Speaker 18: produce another record fish. Look, it's nineteen fifty since there's
• 46:29
  Speaker 18: been a twelve pound trout caught and brought in in
• 46:32
  Speaker 18: Louisiana that's registered as a record. I think Louisiana is
• 46:37
  Speaker 18: missing the boat on management on that. If they want
• 46:40
  Speaker 18: to produce more trophy trout, you can't keep taking the
• 46:43
  Speaker 18: number of fish that Louisiana takes and produce a bunch
• 46:47
  Speaker 18: of record fish. It's got to change if record fish
• 46:50
  Speaker 18: is going to be part of their management. Texas has
• 46:52
  Speaker 18: kind of already gone that direction. Superseding a sixteen pound
• 46:57
  Speaker 18: record fish is a tall order, but the management principles
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: are sort of in place. With five fish no more
• 47:04
  Speaker 18: than one a day over twenty five, Florida has.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: Really restrictive records.
• 47:09
  Speaker 18: But it's going to be a matter what's going to
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: be the factors out there that are going to cause
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: these fish to survive, because they have to be able
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: to survive to the oldest age possible, and the fish
• 47:21
  Speaker 18: that survives the oldest age has to have the genetics
• 47:23
  Speaker 18: to be the really really big fish. It has to
• 47:25
  Speaker 18: be in the right environment, the right forage. All of
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: those things you look at different conditions. Florida has had
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: a real problem with algae blooms. Texas had a little
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: bit of that as well. Texases do a big freeze kill.
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: It's about the time. I hate to say this, but
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: it's about the time if you look at timelines when
• 47:41
  Speaker 18: you typically would have a big freeze problem which killed
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: a lot of fish before. But we mentioned that the
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: Jim Wallace fish lived through a freeze. So is there
• 47:52
  Speaker 18: a pattern and do you think there is a pattern
• 47:55
  Speaker 18: that produces these big fish? Do you think there can
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: be a record in your state? Do you think there
• 48:00
  Speaker 18: will ever be a new Texas record? Do you think
• 48:02
  Speaker 18: there will ever be a new Florida record, which would
• 48:04
  Speaker 18: be a world record. Do you think Alabama or Mississippi
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: or Louisiana will have a record and where do you
• 48:11
  Speaker 18: think it will be caught? If you do have any
• 48:14
  Speaker 18: day on this, please message me Emi me at chester
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: at chestermore dot com. I'd love to know your information.
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: We'll talk about that in the future episode. Trophy speckel
• 48:22
  Speaker 18: trout are a very very rare commodity. You can manage
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: speckel trout to have a quality fishery that produces trophy fish.
• 48:31
  Speaker 18: But unlike largemouth bass, which can definitely be tweaked in
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: the hatcheries and all kinds of things like this, we
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: haven't gotten.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: There with speckel trout yet.
• 48:41
  Speaker 18: I wrote an article very early in my career in
• 48:44
  Speaker 18: two thousand talking about the age of the super trout.
• 48:48
  Speaker 18: There had been some hatchery breakthroughs on tweaking genetics and things,
• 48:53
  Speaker 18: but it's never made it into your state fish and
• 48:56
  Speaker 18: Game departments. Texas Parks and Wildlife has not initiated of this.
• 48:59
  Speaker 18: I don't think Flora that has either, and Louisiana doesn't
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: have a stocking program. So you go into all these things,
• 49:05
  Speaker 18: you go, we don't have what's going on with bass
• 49:08
  Speaker 18: happening with speckled trout. I mean the real influence on
• 49:13
  Speaker 18: the growth of bass nationwow, where a lot of these
• 49:15
  Speaker 18: trophy fish are being produced as tweaking genes, and that
• 49:18
  Speaker 18: includes the introduction of Florida strain largemouth bass into lakes
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: around the country.
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: So that made a big difference there.
• 49:27
  Speaker 18: You're seeing these incredible fish and records broken all kinds
• 49:30
  Speaker 18: of lakes, record broken in states, and all kinds of things,
• 49:33
  Speaker 18: huge bass in different areas, and it's just not happening
• 49:37
  Speaker 18: the same way with speckel trout. I think that has
• 49:40
  Speaker 18: a factor in it. I think that in my personal opinion,
• 49:43
  Speaker 18: looking at this for many years and kind of being
• 49:45
  Speaker 18: really fascinated by it, I think that there's just got
• 49:47
  Speaker 18: to be the right fish, the right angler, at the
• 49:52
  Speaker 18: right time. I think you can tweak it a little
• 49:55
  Speaker 18: bit by if you want to break that record, or
• 49:58
  Speaker 18: just break your own fishing record, you in the right locations.
• 50:02
  Speaker 18: I live on Sabine Lake. I mean there's a really
• 50:04
  Speaker 18: nice fish called in Sabine Lake. You know, twelve pounds,
• 50:07
  Speaker 18: a huge fish. It's a long shot from the sixteen pounds.
• 50:10
  Speaker 18: If I were wanting to break a record for trout
• 50:13
  Speaker 18: in Texas, I would focus my efforts in Lower Laguna,
• 50:16
  Speaker 18: Madre baff and Bay, that lower Laguna area, and I
• 50:20
  Speaker 18: might even try some of the near shore surf and
• 50:23
  Speaker 18: just try some really hardcore, strange tactics. I think there's
• 50:26
  Speaker 18: some bigger fish in the surf then we give them
• 50:28
  Speaker 18: credit for and things like that, But I don't think
• 50:32
  Speaker 18: there's a formula to really go out and break this record.
• 50:37
  Speaker 18: It's not like you can monitor them as much as
• 50:39
  Speaker 18: you can bass. I mean, there's some small clear lakes
• 50:41
  Speaker 18: in California where people named the bass. There was a
• 50:43
  Speaker 18: famous bass out there that people had named and they
• 50:46
  Speaker 18: hooked it, they did all kinds of stuff, and it
• 50:48
  Speaker 18: was a twenty something pound bass. It was an unbelievable bass.
• 50:52
  Speaker 18: But that's not true with speckled trout. They're a very
• 50:54
  Speaker 18: elusive fish. They're a very mysterious fish. Management comes into play,
• 51:00
  Speaker 18: natural history comes into play.
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: In my opinion, if I look.
• 51:03
  Speaker 18: At the Louisiana list, I think Louisiana has pretty much
• 51:08
  Speaker 18: killed off so many trout that it's not hurting the fishery.
• 51:11
  Speaker 18: I don't think in terms of numbers, but it might
• 51:13
  Speaker 18: have hurt it in terms of the overall genetics of
• 51:17
  Speaker 18: those fish. And I say this for another reason because
• 51:21
  Speaker 18: I found some stuff in my research that was super fascinating.
• 51:25
  Speaker 18: I love catching sand trout.
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: I also love.
• 51:27
  Speaker 18: Catching golf trout. Sandstrout the more brown ones and the
• 51:30
  Speaker 18: gulf child the more silver ones, and sometimes they lumped
• 51:32
  Speaker 18: them together and call them white trout. Check this out though,
• 51:36
  Speaker 18: looking at the Louisiana records, this was mind blowing. In
• 51:40
  Speaker 18: nineteen seventy three, the year I was born, there was
• 51:43
  Speaker 18: an eleven pound sand trout or golf trout here caught
• 51:49
  Speaker 18: in Louisiana about Donald Marion. Same year James Domez caught
• 51:55
  Speaker 18: a ten point five zero pound sand trout.
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: Believable.
• 52:01
  Speaker 18: Now, if you look at the Louisiana records, the tenth
• 52:03
  Speaker 18: place was called in nineteen seventy five, and that was
• 52:06
  Speaker 18: Jimmy Hill seven point twenty five in the nineteen seventies.
• 52:10
  Speaker 18: Every fish but one caught in nineteen eighty one, that
• 52:13
  Speaker 18: was eight pounds. The top ten Louisiana sand trout were
• 52:18
  Speaker 18: all caught.
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: In the nineteen seventies.
• 52:21
  Speaker 18: Now, if you look into other records, it's equally fascinating.
• 52:25
  Speaker 18: And the other states ironically don't have as many fish listed.
• 52:28
  Speaker 18: But I want you to look at numbers in terms
• 52:30
  Speaker 18: of size on some of these sand trout and stuff
• 52:33
  Speaker 18: called other states. If you look at sand trout caught
• 52:37
  Speaker 18: in Mississippi, the record is six point ninety six pounds
• 52:42
  Speaker 18: caught in two thousand and nine. That's a fairly recent record.
• 52:45
  Speaker 18: If you look at Alabama, you have a six pound
• 52:50
  Speaker 18: ten ounce fish caught in nineteen ninety seven. Now, sometimes
• 52:54
  Speaker 18: sand trout and gulf trout are used interchangeably, and they're
• 52:58
  Speaker 18: caught a white trout in low together and sometimes they
• 53:01
  Speaker 18: called a silver sea trout, and then you have the
• 53:03
  Speaker 18: sand the sea trout.
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  Speaker 5: I'm John Clark and I'm Josh Eisenhower. Clark Eisenhower Real
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  Speaker 5: Estate Services.
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  Speaker 6: Josh and I and our seven associates have over one
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  Speaker 6: hundred years combined real estate experience in the Brass Valley.
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  Speaker 5: We specialize in commercial, industrial, and land sales of all types.
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  Speaker 5: We also lease and manage retail, office, industrial and warehouse
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  Speaker 5: properties throughout the Brass Valley.
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  Speaker 6: And we are committed to professional service, honesty and integrity.
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  Speaker 5: Call us at the office at two six eight six
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  Speaker 5: eight four zero.
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  Speaker 6: Or find us online at Clark Eisenhower dot com.
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  Speaker 13: Burnand and Sun has been outfitting dove hunters in the
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  Speaker 13: Brass Valley for over forty years. Chutguns by bre Bonelli, Stoger,
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  Speaker 13: Frankie and Winchester and the new supply of shells and
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  Speaker 13: Mojo decoys. Burdett and Son offers gunsmithing services too and
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  Speaker 13: get your shot gun cleaned and ready for the field.
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  Speaker 13: Burdett also has game bags, Camo and don't forget your
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  Speaker 13: hunting license. Deal with people who go outdoors and know
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  Speaker 13: how to answer your questions. Burdett and Sun Outdoor Venture Shop,
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  Speaker 13: ten fifty five, Texas Avenue, next to Chile's.
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  Speaker 21: Aggie Football Saturday on the Zone eleven fifty am and
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  Speaker 21: ninety three point seven FM starts three hours before kickoff
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  Speaker 21: with the game day Show.
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  Speaker 4: Then, of course you can listen to the
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  Speaker 21: Game every game here on the Zone and then thirty
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