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Beautiful Mom of Three's Body Found Behind Abandoned Barn, Who Killed Joanna Speaks ? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A body of a young woman found outside of a barn.
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Speaker 2: Why is that the primary, the secondary, the tertiary crime scene?
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Speaker 1: Why was she killed? Who is she?
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Speaker 2: Will she forever be a Jane Doe? I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: here at Fox Nation and series XEM one eleven. First
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Speaker 2: of all, I want you to take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our frenzy koi.
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Speaker 3: N officials in southwest Washington are working to identify a
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Speaker 3: body founded in an abandoned property in Ridgefield on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: Nay police and fire crews discover the body near South
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Speaker 3: fifth and seventy eighth Place, near the Family Dollar store.
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Speaker 3: Clark and Vancouver officials were also called in to investigate.
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Speaker 3: No word yet on a cause of death or identity.
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Speaker 3: We'll update you as we learn more.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's so much about that statement from our forensic
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Speaker 2: Kai n We learn a lot, but there's big, gaping
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Speaker 2: holes in that.
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Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel to make sense of.
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Speaker 2: What we know right now about the body of this
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Speaker 2: woman found in this remote area. But first I want
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Speaker 2: to go to a net Newell KXL news host speaking
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Speaker 2: freely with a net newle a net.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: When they say they just state that police and fire
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Speaker 2: crews discover a body at South fifth and seventy eight place,
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Speaker 2: I doubt very seriously that the fire department happened to
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Speaker 2: be just strolling by an abandoned barn. So this had
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Speaker 2: to come from a tip of some sort.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a tip. Somebody called in a tip,
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Speaker 4: and the local fire department went out there and they
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Speaker 4: discovered a body. And since then the medical examiner found
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Speaker 4: out this person died from blunt force trauma to her
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Speaker 4: head and neck.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to talk about the shock of just
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Speaker 2: suddenly discovering a dead body with me. Is Jarrett Fiorentino,
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Speaker 2: high profile homicide prosecutor joining us out of Pennsylvania. Jarrett,
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Speaker 2: I've dealt with so many witnesses that come upon a
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Speaker 2: dead body, a body, and it's something they never get over.
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Speaker 2: And we often hear about a jogger was out and
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Speaker 2: finds a body, or here's a good example in the
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Speaker 2: case of Lacy Peterson and her unborn baby, Connor. A guy,
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Speaker 2: a person was out walking their dog along the beach
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Speaker 2: and there they find Lacey's body on the beage within
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, the baby's body looking like a little
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Speaker 2: plastic baby doll, perfectly pristained, while Lacy had been largely decomposed.
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Speaker 2: It's a shot that witnesses really never get over that
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Speaker 2: aren't used to seeing dead bodies, Jared.
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Speaker 5: They don't, And oftentimes, Nancy, that's where the story begins,
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Speaker 5: with the discovery of the body. You know, certainly that's
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Speaker 5: often the first witness I call in many of the
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Speaker 5: homicide cases I've had, And it's a human interest component
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Speaker 5: to the cases too. What was that particular individual doing
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Speaker 5: in a particular field, or what was that person's connection
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Speaker 5: to the barn, for example in this particular case. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: also you're looking at does the person that discover the
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Speaker 5: body have any connection to the deceased or any criminal activity.
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Speaker 5: So really it kicks off what is a large scale
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Speaker 5: investigation at any.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I know why a lot of people
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Speaker 2: don't want to get involved, because the person that finds
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Speaker 2: a body immediately comes under suspicion.
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Speaker 1: I mean, here's a good example. Take a look at
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch.
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Speaker 2: Just got convicted in the double murder of his wife
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Speaker 2: Maggie and his son Paul, and the reality is, of
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Speaker 2: course he's the murderer, which is one reason why the
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Speaker 2: person who discovers the body is very often regarded as
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Speaker 2: a suspect, whether the police say it or not, because
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Speaker 2: so often that is the killer.
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Speaker 5: And that's true, that's true. I think there has to
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Speaker 5: be an examination of that particular person's eye to the region.
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Speaker 1: Why were they there?
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Speaker 5: Was it truly an innocent circumstance, And it's just part
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Speaker 5: of the investigation. If you remember Nancy, certainly with Kasey Anthony,
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Speaker 5: when the body was discovered, they were trying to lay
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Speaker 5: blame or examine why that particular individual was walking in
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Speaker 5: that area of the woods.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't it Roy Kronk or Ray.
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Speaker 5: Kronk who was that's correct.
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Speaker 2: Worked with either the electrical or the telephone or the
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Speaker 2: gas company and was out routinely and notices something white
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Speaker 2: in a swampy area and he had called cops and
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Speaker 2: then I guess weeks later, goes back and it's still there,
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Speaker 2: and he goes, listen, you need to come out here.
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Speaker 2: I called you a month ago, and sure you know,
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Speaker 2: it was Roy Kronk And they come and it is,
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Speaker 2: in fact, little Kelly's body, and he did come under
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Speaker 2: suspicion and that was used against him at the trial
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Speaker 2: of the real killer top Mom Casey Anthony. It's a
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Speaker 2: really good example to doctor John Delatory joining US licensed
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Speaker 2: psychologist mediator who specials specializes in forensic psychology. You can
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Speaker 2: find him on TikTok at doctor John Delatory, Doctor Delatory.
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Speaker 2: It's something that really haunts witnesses from that time forward.
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Speaker 1: Not only are they.
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Speaker 2: Not put it out there and they'll publicize it an
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Speaker 2: immediate suspect, but it's out of anything typically that they've
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Speaker 2: ever seen. They've never seen a dead body, much less
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Speaker 2: someone that has been murdered in this brutal manner, and
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Speaker 2: it's so out of the ordinary that a lot of
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Speaker 2: times they carry that with them the rest of their lives.
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Speaker 1: They can't really get over what they found.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, it also depends on the state of decomposition. Right,
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Speaker 7: how is the body's position? What else is going on? Right?
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Speaker 7: Have animals gotten to it? Have insects gotten to it?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 7: Had the body been burned? Right? All these other things
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Speaker 7: that could have happened to the body that led to
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Speaker 7: that victim's debt. Right is there and witness and you
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Speaker 7: can smell it, you can see it right, you can
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Speaker 7: potentially feel it right. There's all so much that leads
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Speaker 7: to a flashful memory that any time that you're just
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Speaker 7: kind of in your own quiet mind can absolutely snap
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Speaker 7: it back into your head and triguer you back into
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Speaker 7: those heightened emotions of heightened anxiety and nervousness. Right. I
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Speaker 7: said that happened when you first saw that dead bio.
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Speaker 2: I first started prosecuting, and I'm sure that Jarrett Farentino
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Speaker 2: will appreciate this story. My cases were largely innocuous to
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Speaker 2: start with, and attempted shoplifting, dyslexic bank robber, the oldest
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Speaker 2: woman in Fulton County history to be prosecuted for grand larceny.
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Speaker 2: Then I started getting murder cases, and I had a
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Speaker 2: recurring dream after talking to so many witnesses that discovered
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Speaker 2: dead bodies of me.
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Speaker 1: And it seems like.
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Speaker 2: I was in an airport, but I was in somewhere
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Speaker 2: where there was a bathroom, and I went into the
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Speaker 2: lady's room and there were a lot of stalls. I
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Speaker 2: opened one up and there's a dead body there. I
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Speaker 2: actually still have that dream. I still have that dream,
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Speaker 2: and it started when I would interview witnesses that discover
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Speaker 2: a dead body and they're grappling with what they've seen
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Speaker 2: in trying to describe it.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 8: It's a Saturday afternoon, around six pm early April when
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Speaker 8: Richfield Policed Apartment receive a call about a body. The
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Speaker 8: body was discovered near a rundown barn on an abandoned property.
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Speaker 8: Officers from the Ridgefield Police Department and Cruise from the
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Speaker 8: Clerk Collot's Fire Rescue respond. When it's obvious that the
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Speaker 8: death is not a natural one. Two other calls go out,
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Speaker 8: one to the Clerk County Sheriff's Office Major Crimes Unit
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Speaker 8: and to a similar unit headed by Vancouver Police. Not
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Speaker 8: only were there signs that a homicide had occurred, there
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Speaker 8: are indications the body was moved.
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Speaker 2: I'm learning a lot or of brand joining me, Senior
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Speaker 2: Inspector US Marshall Service International Investigations, was with adj Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice. Author of solo shot Curse of the Bluestone
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Speaker 2: on Amazon and Flying Solo Top of the World also
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Speaker 2: on Amazon or thank you for being with us, just
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Speaker 2: from what I've learned from of course a net Neewal
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Speaker 2: from KXL.
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Speaker 1: But from our friends at crime Online, did you.
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Speaker 2: Hear this a run down barn on an abandoned property?
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Speaker 2: What does that tell me that this was not a
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Speaker 2: person who was just passing through town that did this.
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Speaker 2: You had to know where to go out in the
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Speaker 2: country to a remote farm that was uninhabited and a
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Speaker 2: run down barn.
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Speaker 1: That tells me a lot about I know our purpose going.
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Speaker 5: To be that's true, Nancy, and using that to identify
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Speaker 5: potential suspects. It's going to be key location like that
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Speaker 5: of a rural location. You know, there's not ring door cameras.
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Speaker 5: You know, there's not traffic cams things like that that
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Speaker 5: could you know, put you at put you at that location?
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Speaker 2: Now older hold your horses or Brandt, I know you're
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Speaker 2: the one that's been with DOJ and the US Marshall
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Speaker 2: Service blah blah blah blah. But US country folks know
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Speaker 2: about ringing doorbell cams. Okay, we have the internet. We
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Speaker 2: can go to Amazon. As a matter of fact, of
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Speaker 2: mister IRV Brandt to the case of Alex and Murdogg.
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Speaker 2: Remember after he shot his wife and son and was
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Speaker 2: still on the loose and nobody was calling him a killer.
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Speaker 2: He then goes and arranges to get shot in the
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Speaker 2: head unsuccessful. That was a big fat lie out in
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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, as you describe at IRV. Brant,
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Speaker 2: And at that time I we here at crime story
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Speaker 2: said I bet you anything at the end of that
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Speaker 2: dirt road is somebody's house that has a security camera.
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Speaker 2: And lo and behold there was a country church at
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Speaker 2: the end of that dirt road that had a camera.
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Speaker 2: And guess what they caught the few cars, very few
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Speaker 2: cars going up and down that road, and bam, case solved.
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Speaker 1: IRV. Brant, Well, you're right.
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Speaker 5: Maybe Fred Flintstone should come into the twenty first century
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Speaker 5: and realize this.
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Speaker 2: It's true, but the houses are a few and far between,
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Speaker 2: and certainly an abandoned house and an abandoned farm is
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Speaker 2: not going to have a ring doorbell camp.
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Speaker 5: That was my point. It seems like someone that was
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Speaker 5: intentional an abandoned place, a run down place, someplace to
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Speaker 5: dump a body.
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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised I did not put her body in
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Speaker 2: the barn. The barn must have been even though it
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Speaker 2: was dilapidated, secure so you couldn't get in there.
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Speaker 1: Have you thought of that or a Brant.
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Speaker 5: Yes, that's true, but you don't know what may have
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Speaker 5: been happening at the time. You don't know how rush
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Speaker 5: those people may have been, or a person or person's
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Speaker 5: dumping a body could be in a very agitated state
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Speaker 5: and not really thinking clearly like you just thought it through.
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Speaker 5: They may have been just trying to get a body
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Speaker 5: out of a car then get out of there as
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Speaker 5: quickly as they can.
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Speaker 2: You're right, or a Brandt again, nobody wants to be
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Speaker 2: caught with a dead body. Time Stories with Nancy Greece
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Speaker 2: doctor Manisha Pandy joining me, chief forensic pathologist for Forensic
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Speaker 2: Pathologist LLC and Ohio. You can find doctor Pandy at
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Speaker 2: the forensic pathologist dot com. Doctor Pandy, we heard right
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Speaker 2: at the get go from a Nett mwle KXL that
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Speaker 2: she learned the cod while not complete, was a head injury.
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Speaker 2: How can you look at a body, even if on
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Speaker 2: the front of the body you don't see an injury.
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Speaker 2: How can you tell immediately by looking at the body
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Speaker 2: that the woman is dead from a bludgeoning death?
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Speaker 9: So the most important thing when you find the body
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Speaker 9: is like, what's going on? Right in this particular case,
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Speaker 9: most likely there's probably blood around the head, because if
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Speaker 9: you have had trauma, you're going to start bleeding from
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Speaker 9: the scalp. The scalp is very very vascular models blood vessels,
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Speaker 9: and there's probably lots of blood around it, and that's
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Speaker 9: why they're immediately thinking there's blood full of trauma to
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Speaker 9: the head.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking through what you're saying, how do
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Speaker 2: you know, doctor Pandy? How do would they know? What
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Speaker 2: would they have seen to say this is a homicide
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Speaker 2: bludgeting to the head before they complete the full autopsy.
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Speaker 2: And how do they know that this unidentified Jane do
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Speaker 2: didn't fall and hit her head. How would they know
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Speaker 2: the difference between falling on a rock or a tractor
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Speaker 2: or a farm implement and dying. How do they know
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Speaker 2: that didn't happen as opposed to a bludgeting death.
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Speaker 9: So there's probably more trauma than just the fault. If
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Speaker 9: you're falling, you just have trauma to one side of
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Speaker 9: the head. Here we are looking at a body first
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Speaker 9: of polics in a very remote location, which is finding
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Speaker 9: a body right there. It's suspicious, so you're already thinking
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Speaker 9: of homicide on the get go, and then you have
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Speaker 9: all this probably a person has lots of areas where
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Speaker 9: there was bleeding. They were probably multiple points, so they're
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Speaker 9: looking at that. And for you to fall down the
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Speaker 9: steps is a separate thing. You can have more injury.
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Speaker 9: But here's this flat land in which do you find
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Speaker 9: a body with multiple areas of bleeding or blood or
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Speaker 9: cloths everywhere. So they're thinking immediately, Oh, this person's probably
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Speaker 9: being hit with something.
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Speaker 2: And I guess the wound. There's a big difference. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing for her to fall from. She's not like
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Speaker 2: on a second or third floor, so she's.
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Speaker 1: On the ground.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're talking about a fall and she stumbles,
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Speaker 2: her falls and hits her head or has impact, you know,
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Speaker 2: like a skiing accident like on it Tasha Richardson and
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Speaker 2: Liam Nilsen's wife, she had a ski accident. She hit
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Speaker 2: her head once and she died later from bleeding to
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Speaker 2: the brain. That impact is much different When you look
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Speaker 2: at it, you don't really see much as opposed to
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Speaker 2: a she fell or stumbled and hit her head on
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Speaker 2: let's just pretend to farm implement, and it caused a concussion,
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Speaker 2: she died or it caused her death.
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Speaker 1: That's one wound as opposed to.
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Speaker 2: A bludgeoning so hard to the head, for instance, you
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Speaker 2: could see the brain from a bludging. Those two injuries
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Speaker 2: to the naked eye look very different a bludgeoning versus
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Speaker 2: a death from a fall.
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Speaker 1: That's correct, guys.
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Speaker 2: And to make matters worse and more difficult to determine
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Speaker 2: cod and anything else about this case, we learned this
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Speaker 2: may not.
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Speaker 1: Have been the primary crime scene.
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Speaker 10: Let'st her friends in Clark County officials say a body
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Speaker 10: found then Ridgefield was found near an abandoned barn across
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Speaker 10: from the family Dollar east.
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Speaker 1: Of By five.
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Speaker 10: The Sheriff's office says early indications to show the body
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Speaker 10: was moved there. Detectives are looking for people who were
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Speaker 10: in contact with Speaks or anyone who saw any suspicious
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Speaker 10: vehicles or people in that area. You are asked to
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Speaker 10: contact the Clark County Sheriff's Office if you have information.
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Speaker 2: Got a big question, how can you tell? And I'm
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Speaker 2: going to throw this out to Jarrett Farantino, but everybody
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Speaker 2: jump on in with an idea. Again, this is not
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Speaker 2: high t but I want to talk about how you
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Speaker 2: can tell a body has been moved?
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Speaker 1: What about it? Jarrett Farantino, Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: I've had some experience in this regard, and there re
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Speaker 5: tire tracks leading up to the dumb site. That is
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Speaker 5: typically something the fact that there was a Dollar General
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Speaker 5: across the way. There may be camera footage there that
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Speaker 5: would show a vehicle quickly arriving and leaving across the street,
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Speaker 5: which would suggest that also the intended circumstances around the body,
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Speaker 5: if the body, if there wasn't any disturbed dirt beyond
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Speaker 5: the limited area where a body could be dumped. If
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Speaker 5: you remember during the Murdoch trial, there was a lot
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Speaker 5: of talk about the attendant area and the zone of
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Speaker 5: where the bodies were found, of what may have been happening.
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Speaker 5: If you don't see a lot of disturbed area, it
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Speaker 5: could be a dump and leave site. So those are
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Speaker 5: the kind of things. Again we're speculating, but that would
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Speaker 5: be present and allow for them to make that confusion.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: Another interesting thing to doctor John Delatore, psychologist and mediator.
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Speaker 2: I've noticed in a lot of murder cases that the
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Speaker 2: perp will lay out the victims, stage them in a
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Speaker 2: certain way, like maybe put a blanket over their body
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Speaker 2: or a covering over their face. In the woods. I've
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Speaker 2: seen killers put leaves and branches over the body or
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Speaker 2: close the eyes of the victim, which indicates a certain
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Speaker 2: degree of staging. Plus, we were hearing doctor Manisha Pandi
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Speaker 2: describe the bludgeoning. If there's not a lot of blood
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Speaker 2: from the head wound right there, that would indicate, as
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Speaker 2: Jackie pointed out, that the body had been moved, or
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Speaker 2: maybe the clothes were disheveled, like the person had been
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Speaker 2: dragged out of a car. So you've got the shirt
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Speaker 2: not taken off, but or the pants pulled upwards or
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Speaker 2: downwards in some fashion or to the side. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can look at the positioning of the body and
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Speaker 2: what's around it. But what do you make, doctor Delatory,
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Speaker 2: of people that, for instance, cover up the face or
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Speaker 2: close the eyes of the murder victim.
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Speaker 7: Well, here's the thing is that I'm going to call
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Speaker 7: it a compulsive type behavior, but other sort of serial
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Speaker 7: killer aspects they call it ritual. The idea is that
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Speaker 7: there's something about how this body has now expired, right,
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Speaker 7: that the killer did something, and now they need to
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Speaker 7: do something in its place in order for the acts
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Speaker 7: to feel complete. Sometimes that might mean that they're burying
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Speaker 7: the body now. People aren't going to spend the time
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Speaker 7: to dig six feet down, but they can colorate up.
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Speaker 7: So this sent the shame or field that is associated
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Speaker 7: with having to have engaged in this behavior. So it's
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Speaker 7: all relative to what the killer's motivation was, and let's
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Speaker 7: about what the victim needed.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: friend Paulina Aguilar at Fox twelve.
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Speaker 11: I'm on South fifth Street, just off I five, off
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Speaker 11: of Pioneer Street, and right behind me is an abandoned barn. Now,
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Speaker 11: I want you to know detekers don't think she was
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Speaker 11: killed here. Police say this is where someone dumped her body.
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Speaker 11: You can see it's closed off with private property signs
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Speaker 11: and an abandoned home just a few yards away. But
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Speaker 11: the barn is near where Clark County sheriff Office say
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Speaker 11: the body was found. On April eighth, just before six pm.
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Speaker 11: Richfield Police and Clark Howltzfire responded to this abandoned property
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Speaker 11: and found dead.
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Speaker 6: Near the barn.
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Speaker 11: A medical examination ruled it a murderer, and Clark County
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Speaker 11: Sheriff's believe she was killed elsewhere then moved to this location.
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Speaker 11: But her killer has not been found and there's.
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Speaker 6: No way that she would have gone down without a fight.
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Speaker 12: So whoever did do this likely had injuries or something
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Speaker 12: like that personally as well from her fighting.
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Speaker 2: Back injuries to the perp possibly scratches bruises. Is that
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Speaker 2: possible this area, we don't know why. It's not where
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Speaker 2: cops believe that this Jane Doe was murdered. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about what we know about the area and joining me
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Speaker 2: right now Annette Newell KXL News and to speaking freely
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Speaker 2: with Annett Newell. Ridgefield, Washington. This is what I know
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Speaker 2: that the population was is around ten thousand, a little
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Speaker 2: more than ten thousand, so it's a small population which
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Speaker 2: reduces the number of potential suspects.
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Speaker 1: And Nette Neil, what more can you tell me?
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Speaker 4: It is a small kind of a bedroom community for
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Speaker 4: both the city of Vancouver, Washington and also Portland, Oregon,
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Speaker 4: which is the major metro area around it. It's very small.
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Speaker 4: It's country. There's a lot of farm areas around there.
21:41
Speaker 4: It's also there's Wayne country, you know, it's basically a
21:44
Speaker 4: very rural area.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is how I first became acquainted with Ridgefield. Ridgefield,
21:49
Speaker 2: Oregon was part of the trail of Lewis and Clark. Yeah,
21:53
Speaker 2: and when my children I had to learn about Lewis
21:57
Speaker 2: and Clark. We study this and we actually retraced part
22:02
Speaker 2: of the steps, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm Lewis and Clark.
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Speaker 2: Wow, all the way to Missouri and the Great Confluence
22:09
Speaker 2: where they went with their guide, the female Guide. We
22:13
Speaker 2: know that there's a huge wildlife refuge there, the Ridgefield
22:17
Speaker 2: National Wildlife Refuge, And I was researching it for today
22:23
Speaker 2: and I found out the creator the U Haul is
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Speaker 2: from Isfield. So long story short, it's a small town,
22:33
Speaker 2: which my point is a brand that greatly reduces the
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Speaker 2: number of suspects.
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Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy. The areas that of bodies located at
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Speaker 5: is definitely at the start of the investigation going to
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Speaker 5: be a major factor.
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Speaker 2: And then the shocking identification she is no longer a
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Speaker 2: Jane Doe.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Daisy Cabalero k.
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Speaker 12: G W just why just how like why did this happen?
23:08
Speaker 12: How it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 13: Robin Speaks is desperately searching for answers after her younger sister,
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Speaker 13: thirty two year old Joanna Speaks, was found murdered.
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Speaker 12: We're all just asking every single thing that you could
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Speaker 12: think of just you know, maybe it was this her.
23:26
Speaker 12: Did we check here, or we're trying to cover all
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Speaker 12: the bases, but.
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Speaker 1: We don't know.
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Speaker 13: Stepsister Ariel Hanby says, the family has so many questions.
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Speaker 6: The cause of death was blunt force trauma to the
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Speaker 6: hat and neck and that's all we know.
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Speaker 2: Joining us right now to very special guests, Joanna Speaks's sisters,
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Speaker 2: Robin Speakes and stepsister Ariel Hanby.
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Speaker 1: Robin and Ariel, thank you for being with us. Thank
23:57
Speaker 1: you for having Robin.
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Speaker 2: When did you realize that your sister, a mother of three,
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Speaker 2: Joanna was missing? And or when did you learn she
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Speaker 2: is a homicide victim?
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Speaker 14: We got the call on the eleventh after they identified her.
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Speaker 14: They called our dad and then he told all of
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Speaker 14: us that morning that she had been killed.
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Speaker 2: Ariel Hanby, when did you learn that your sister Joanna
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Speaker 2: had been murdered?
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Speaker 6: April eleventh? I got the song call from my stepdad
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Speaker 6: while I was putting my three year old daughter down trendap.
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Speaker 2: Having gotten that horrible needs myself. It is a moment
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Speaker 2: that even now, years later, still I don't like talking
24:48
Speaker 2: about it. I talk about it to help other crime victims,
24:53
Speaker 2: but even now, just talking about it, I feel it
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Speaker 2: in my stomach when I learned over the phone my
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Speaker 2: fiance had been murdered shortly before our wedding.
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Speaker 9: And it.
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Speaker 2: Even now it feels that Robin's speakes like it happened yesterday.
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Speaker 14: Well, I honestly don't even know I was. I was
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Speaker 14: working and I was just about to leave for a
25:15
Speaker 14: pretty important lunch meeting. And my little brother actually is
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Speaker 14: the one that called me, and he just stunded so,
25:24
Speaker 14: you know, shaken up about it, and he honestly thought
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Speaker 14: it was a joke. And just hearing about it while
25:29
Speaker 14: at work and having to keep a cool composure and
25:34
Speaker 14: handle a lunch that I couldn't really get out of
25:39
Speaker 14: it was very, very difficult. And I don't think that
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Speaker 14: I'll ever forget the phone call, and you know how
25:45
Speaker 14: it made me feel in the moment, But then I
25:47
Speaker 14: didn't get to deal with it until afterwards, Ariel, what
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Speaker 14: about you?
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Speaker 6: Like Robin said, it felt like a joke, and MY
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Speaker 6: response was, this is not funny. So it was just
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Speaker 6: I was in disbelief. And it's really hard to describe
26:09
Speaker 6: that feeling, I'm sure, as you know, Nancy. So it's
26:12
Speaker 6: just something that.
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Speaker 2: I'll never forget, you know, I'm hearing Robin speaks and
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Speaker 2: Eryl Hanby described learning when their sister was murdered to
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Speaker 2: doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology, did
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Speaker 2: you notice that both of these young ladies, these two sisters,
26:38
Speaker 2: at first thought it was a joke.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not a shrink like you, just a j d.
26:46
Speaker 2: But I think that's because you want to believe it's
26:51
Speaker 2: a joe, a horrible joke, a bad joke. You mine
26:56
Speaker 2: can't take in what's happening because I remember, for a
26:59
Speaker 2: long time after Keith was murdered, I would get my
27:03
Speaker 2: mom or my dad and I look at him and say,
27:06
Speaker 2: is Keith dead? I just it just seems so impossible
27:12
Speaker 2: and fantastical that have to tell me, yes, he's dead,
27:17
Speaker 2: he was killed, And I go okay, And then you know,
27:21
Speaker 2: the next day I do the same thing again. What
27:24
Speaker 2: is that There's got to be a psychological reason for
27:27
Speaker 2: wanting to believe or believing it's a joke or a
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Speaker 2: bad prank or a lie when you first hear it.
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Speaker 7: It's not just about the wanting, it's about the needing
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Speaker 7: to believe that it's a joke to be imagined, that
27:38
Speaker 7: to have that family member right who ripped away from
27:42
Speaker 7: you in such a way, it's almost incomprehensible. Now we
27:46
Speaker 7: have stages of grief, but the reality is is that
27:49
Speaker 7: every individual grieves differently and it doesn't have to be
27:53
Speaker 7: a pattern, and it can be assorted, and it can
27:55
Speaker 7: start from the end and end with the beginning that
27:59
Speaker 7: there is this especially initially that it has to be
28:02
Speaker 7: a joke because it cannot happen to you because of
28:05
Speaker 7: the consequences associated with the realization that life end is
28:11
Speaker 7: very difficult for people to wrap their hand around.
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Speaker 1: Take a star Friends at Fox twelve.
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Speaker 6: Nothing is off the table as to what we're thinking
28:20
Speaker 6: could have happened.
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Speaker 11: The family of Joanna Speaks is left shock and speechless
28:24
Speaker 11: after getting a phone call that their thirty two year
28:27
Speaker 11: old sister from Oregon City was found near an abandoned
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Speaker 11: barn in Ridgefield, Washington.
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Speaker 6: A bunch of things went through our minds as to
28:35
Speaker 6: how this could have happened, or did she put herself
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Speaker 6: in a situation where she was vulnerable, or did someone
28:42
Speaker 6: else you know, pick her to I don't even know?
28:48
Speaker 1: And more? In our cut eight it's.
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Speaker 6: Been really hard, Like I don't think any of us
28:54
Speaker 6: are sleeping. A lot of our family is just blatantly,
28:58
Speaker 6: just devastated twenty four seven and just not functioning.
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Speaker 11: But that's not how her family will keep her memory.
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Speaker 1: She was the wild one of all of us.
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Speaker 6: Yes, she was loud and vibrant, like she would light
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Speaker 6: up any room, so funny. Everything that she did was
29:19
Speaker 6: like go big or go home kind of attitude. And
29:25
Speaker 6: she was just one of the kind.
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Speaker 2: It's so hard to take in that someone was such
29:30
Speaker 2: a big personality is now silenced forever. To Ariel Handy,
29:35
Speaker 2: this is Joanna's sister. Ariel, tell me about her as
29:39
Speaker 2: a person.
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Speaker 6: I would just say that she really was just such
29:47
Speaker 6: a vibrant, like contagious person. She could make anybody laugh,
29:53
Speaker 6: and she was just somebody that you wanted to spend
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Speaker 6: your time around.
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Speaker 1: What about it, Robin Spake's she.
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Speaker 14: Was always larger than life. She loved to be the
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Speaker 14: laughing one at the party, the one that you know
30:09
Speaker 14: was the She just loves to be the center and
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Speaker 14: to make everybody else excited to be there.
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Speaker 2: And remember, it's not just these two beautiful sisters joining
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Speaker 2: us today. This victim lays behind three little children and
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Speaker 2: take Alyssa to our friendsy kpatv.
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Speaker 11: Joanna leaves behind three children.
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Speaker 6: They are resilient and they broke down right away when
30:36
Speaker 6: I told them sorry, But I think right now they're
30:41
Speaker 6: just trying to stay occupied. She had this like giggle
30:45
Speaker 6: and this laugh that one of her sons has like
30:50
Speaker 6: it sounds just like her, just like echoes in our house.
30:54
Speaker 6: A lot of my memories go to her just being
30:56
Speaker 6: a big kid with them.
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Speaker 11: Her family will honor her life in an Intimatecay ceremony
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Speaker 11: full of color and music.
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Speaker 6: She was cremated, so they'll be able to carry a
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Speaker 6: piece of her with them.
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Speaker 2: How do you tell seven year old Melanie or twelve
31:13
Speaker 2: year old Braxton or thirteen year old one, Mommy's gone,
31:17
Speaker 2: but here's the piece of her. She was cremated. How
31:21
Speaker 2: do you tell that to children? Let's figure out how
31:24
Speaker 2: we can get justice for these children.
31:42
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace two.
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Speaker 2: Robin speaks an aeriel handy which either of you can answer.
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Speaker 2: When was the last time that you spoke to her
31:54
Speaker 2: or her from her by text?
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Speaker 6: Our family last time contact with her? The Big Inning
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Speaker 6: the middle of March.
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Speaker 2: Okay, beginning or middle of March. What about it, Robin?
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: She reached out to our parents.
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Speaker 2: Okay, mid March that she used to call her text,
32:12
Speaker 2: She would message.
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Speaker 1: Us usually and not call. She called our bound often.
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Speaker 1: Uh huh.
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Speaker 2: So do you know when was the last time she
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Speaker 2: called your dad either one of.
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Speaker 1: You that would be Christians? Yeah, did you say? March fifteenth?
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Speaker 1: March fifteen?
32:26
Speaker 2: And her body was found April the eight, So thirty
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Speaker 2: days has September April jun in November, so we've got
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Speaker 2: sixteen days plus eight twenty four days.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if her cell phone was used or found.
32:45
Speaker 2: Remember this young woman now identified as thirty two year
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Speaker 2: old Joanna speaks, beautiful young woman with three children, found Rischel, Washington,
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Speaker 2: April eight, blunt forced trauma to head and net death,
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Speaker 2: homicide and newil Do we know anything about her cell phone?
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Speaker 4: That has not come up yet in terms of what
33:09
Speaker 4: the Clark County Sheriff's Office is saying to us at
33:12
Speaker 4: this point, I know that that is definitely a point
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Speaker 4: of contention in several other kind of similar murder cases
33:22
Speaker 4: in our area where you know, unfortunately we've had like
33:24
Speaker 4: three in a row, including this one where young women,
33:29
Speaker 4: young mothers, have been killed.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, white white, white, white white. You've got three
33:35
Speaker 1: young women dead in the same area.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the Portland area, April Nicole Newcomb Cripe died
33:41
Speaker 4: from a gunshot wound and her death was ruled a homicide.
33:44
Speaker 4: She had two young children twenty eight years old, and
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Speaker 4: they have not arrested anyone in that that case yet.
33:52
Speaker 4: And there was one other case of a woman. Her
33:57
Speaker 4: name was Miche Melendez. She and her daughters said and
34:00
Speaker 4: year old daughter and Laylah Stuart were both killed by
34:03
Speaker 4: gunshot and their bodies were found in was Shuegel, which
34:07
Speaker 4: is not too far from this other case in Richfield.
34:11
Speaker 4: So in that case they did charge an ex boyfriend,
34:15
Speaker 4: Kirkland Warren.
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Speaker 2: My guess is he's not connected because that sounds like
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Speaker 2: a domestic homicide. Yeah, and he would have been connected
34:21
Speaker 2: to that victim. But I'm very curious about the first
34:24
Speaker 2: victim you outlined. Now, two young dead women, both mothers
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Speaker 2: of young children, found murdered.
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Speaker 1: Very very curious.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Clark County Sheriff's office says that Joanna speaks.
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Speaker 2: His case is being investigated as a homicide. Obviously we
34:45
Speaker 2: know that much, but now take a listen to this.
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Speaker 13: Richfield Police Department and Clark Cowlitz Fire Rescue responded to
34:52
Speaker 13: reports of a body authority say located on a property
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Speaker 13: off South fifth Street and seventy eighth Place, about one
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Speaker 13: mile off I five, though detective say it doesn't appear
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Speaker 13: that's where Joanna was killed, and according to the Clark
35:07
Speaker 13: County Sheriff's Office, there are indications that Joanna speaks body
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Speaker 13: was moved to near.
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Speaker 1: This abandoned property.
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Speaker 13: Behind these no truspassing signs, there's an abandoned barn. That's
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Speaker 13: where the Sheriff's office found Joanna's remains.
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Speaker 6: It keeps me up that night thinking that whoever did
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Speaker 6: this or her and that person is walking around.
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Speaker 1: To a Newel Robin Spakes or Ariel Handy.
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Speaker 2: How far away is the location of the body from
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Speaker 2: that Dollar Tree or Dollar General. How far away was that?
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Speaker 6: I'm unsure. I haven't been able to bring myself to
35:46
Speaker 6: go up to that property.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that.
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Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at, or Brandt, is that if
35:52
Speaker 2: there's any indication that there is surveillance video with that
35:57
Speaker 2: Dollar Tree or Dollar General, that could be of help.
36:02
Speaker 2: And also the fact that if this body was moved,
36:06
Speaker 2: we know the perp has a vehicle, so if we
36:09
Speaker 2: could get even a make or model. I mean, that's
36:13
Speaker 2: how it all started in University Idaho with the four
36:15
Speaker 2: student slang started with a white Elantra, and then the
36:19
Speaker 2: white Lantra was found nearby about nine miles away at
36:23
Speaker 2: Washington State University. And then we get a tag, and
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Speaker 2: then from the tag we get a name, and then
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Speaker 2: we find out about a connection and bam, there's an arrest.
36:31
Speaker 2: If we could get the car because nobody carried her
36:36
Speaker 2: on their back to this remote location. Somebody had to
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Speaker 2: know about the location, ignore the no trespassing signs, and
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Speaker 2: they may very well have had to or brand pass
36:46
Speaker 2: that dollar tree exactly, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's going to just like you laid out,
36:53
Speaker 5: when you start the investigation and you start building on investigations.
36:57
Speaker 5: So those are the first steps. You're going to oh
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Speaker 5: to any surveillance footage and try to you know, look
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Speaker 5: for suspicious vehicles, for suspicious activity, then talk to people
37:11
Speaker 5: around that time frame of things that they may have recalled.
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Speaker 5: That's that's what the investigators are going to start with
37:19
Speaker 5: from the very beginning.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me think this through. So we're looking for
37:23
Speaker 2: a car, we're looking for someone you know, very typically
37:28
Speaker 2: Jared Fiarantino. The victim has some connection to the killer.
37:35
Speaker 2: They could be a boyfriend, an ex boyfriend and ex husband,
37:39
Speaker 2: the grocery store boys, somebody you work with. That's where
37:43
Speaker 2: I would start this investigation.
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Speaker 5: I agree. I think it's been a matter of recreating
37:48
Speaker 5: Joanna's life, you know, from middle March on. If they
37:53
Speaker 5: were able to find her cell phone or not, the
37:57
Speaker 5: investigators can surt be secure her cell phone records and
38:01
Speaker 5: see who she was communicating with and when that communication stopped.
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Speaker 5: And that is also something I think that would certainly
38:10
Speaker 5: be a purview into who Joanna was talking to, who
38:14
Speaker 5: she was in touch with when, and that would certainly
38:17
Speaker 5: shed some light on who may know something or who
38:22
Speaker 5: may be involved.
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Speaker 2: And we can also get abate on when she died,
38:26
Speaker 2: and we may be able to get some of that
38:28
Speaker 2: from the medical examiner to determine how long she had
38:31
Speaker 2: been decomposing. Because if we can establish a time of
38:35
Speaker 2: death or anywhere close to it, we can begin looking
38:38
Speaker 2: for who she was with around the time of the death.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen now to our cut thirteen our friensic KGW.
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Speaker 13: The family has started a gofundmet to help with funeral
38:51
Speaker 13: expenses and as for finding justice for Joanna, not.
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Speaker 12: A family that gives up, and we won't give up, fighting,
38:59
Speaker 12: fighting answers, doing whatever we have to to.
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Speaker 1: Get some sort of piece for her.
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Speaker 6: We'll find them.
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Speaker 1: There is a go fundme.
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Speaker 2: You can find it under go fundme with Joanna Dash
39:12
Speaker 2: Kristen Dash May Dash speaks and this Dollar trevement talking
39:17
Speaker 2: about it's actually a distribution center, which means a lot
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Speaker 2: of steady employees and surveillance cameras.
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Speaker 4: I'm looking at it online it says it's open twenty
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Speaker 4: four hours. Wow, this family Dollar distribution center is open.
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Speaker 2: That's very important. So if someone comes in the middle
39:35
Speaker 2: of the night, Yeah, that distribution center is open, right,
39:38
Speaker 2: and if it is even close to where the body
39:42
Speaker 2: was dumped, that surveillance video could give us an answer.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Annette Newell.
39:49
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 2: death of this beautiful young mom of three, please allle
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Speaker 2: five six four three nine seven two eight four seven
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Speaker 2: seven or go to justice Fort Joanna at outlook dot com.
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Speaker 1: Let's give her children answers. Goodbye friend,