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Why Narcissists Would Rather DESTROY a Relationship Than Admit They Were Wrong · Surviving Narcissistic Abuse with Jill Wise

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello everyone and thank you so much for joining me on my podcast all about surviving narcissistic abuse.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host and lifelong survivor of narcissistic abuse myself, Jill Wise, and today we're talking about something I find absolutely fascinating and honestly one of the most frustrating things about dealing with a pathological narcissist.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why would somebody rather destroy a marriage, lose a family, ruin relationships with their children, or walk away from someone who genuinely loves them rather than simply admit they were wrong?
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  SPEAKER_00: Think about that for a minute.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about people who may be willing to sacrifice relationships they've spent decades building, all to avoid saying a few simple words I was wrong, I hurt you, I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what makes this so difficult for survivors to understand is that to us the solution seems obvious.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just take responsibility, acknowledge what happened, make an effort to repair the damage.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for someone with severe pathological narcissism, those seemingly simple things can represent an enormous psychological threat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the biggest mistakes survivors make is assuming the narcissist values the relationship the same way they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: We assume preserving the relationship would naturally be more important than winning an argument or protecting someone's pride.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when we're dealing with severe narcissistic patterns, protecting a particular image of themselves can definitely become more important than preserving the relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now not every person with narcissistic traits behaves this way, but today I want to explain 10 psychological reasons some narcissistic individuals seem willing to lose everything rather than acknowledge their wrongdoing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's just dive right in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one, they may consider the relationship replaceable, but their carefully constructed false identity is a non-negotiable.
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  SPEAKER_00: You may have spent years believing the relationship was something sacred, something both of you were committed to preserving.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for someone whose self-esteem depends heavily on maintaining a particular image of themselves, the relationship may become expendable when it threatens that image.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because repairing a damaged relationship requires confronting uncomfortable truths, admitting mistakes, and acknowledging the other person's experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's where it gets interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Starting over with somebody new can feel psychologically easier than repairing a relationship with someone who knows the history.
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  SPEAKER_00: A new partner doesn't know about the broken promises, betrayals, contradictions, or what happened behind closed doors.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the narcissist gets another opportunity to present their carefully constructed false identity without confronting the damage that they've already caused.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's something incredibly ironic about being willing to lose someone who loved you for 20 years because repairing that relationship would require accountability, while starting a new relationship allows you to avoid it completely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number two, every additional lie makes telling the truth more dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the original wrongdoing could have been addressed with a relatively simple conversation, but instead of acknowledging it, they deny it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then they defend the denial, blame you for questioning them, and perhaps even tell other people a completely different version of events.
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  SPEAKER_00: Before long, one act of wrongdoing has become an entire collection of lies and accusations designed to protect the original behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, admitting the truth means acknowledging much more than the original mistake.
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  SPEAKER_00: It means admitting the lies, the blame, and possibly years of deliberately misleading people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for someone who already struggles with shame and accountability, oh boy, that can become incredibly difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they double down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the tragic irony is that the cover up can become far more destructive than the original offense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the relationship could have survived the mistake.
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  SPEAKER_00: What it couldn't survive was everything they did to avoid admitting it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number three, they can lose everything and still believe they've won.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now doesn't that sound absolutely ridiculous?
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  SPEAKER_00: How can somebody lose their marriage, destroy their family, damage relationships with their children, and still believe they're the winner?
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  SPEAKER_00: But this tells us something important about how some narcissistic individuals define winning.
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  SPEAKER_00: For psychologically healthy people, success in relationships generally involves connection, trust, and mutual respect.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when someone experiences conflict through superiority and humiliation, winning can mean something different entirely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Winning may simply mean never admitting defeat, never acknowledging wrongdoing, and never allowing the other person to feel they were right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even after the relationship collapses, they may convince themselves that you were the problem, that they were mistreated, or that they're better off without you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And perhaps the most disturbing irony is that they can destroy something valuable while convincing themselves they've accomplished something admirable.
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  SPEAKER_00: They protected their pride but lost the person who loved them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somehow, in their mind, they still came out ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number four, they may experience accountability as a competition they cannot afford to lose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some narcissistic individuals approach relationships through an ongoing hierarchy of winners and losers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Disagreements become contests literally over who's right, who's superior, and who gets to define reality.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when the relationship operates according to those rules, an apology can feel less like an act of love and much more like an act of surrender.
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  SPEAKER_00: But think about how different that is from a healthy relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you apologize to somebody that you love, you're not handing them a trophy.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're acknowledging that your behavior caused harm and that repairing the relationship matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yet if someone interprets accountability as humiliation, admitting wrongdoing can feel like allowing the other person to win.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the irony.
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  SPEAKER_00: The behavior they interpret as weakness actually requires enormous emotional strength.
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  SPEAKER_00: It takes maturity to admit you were wrong and genuine confidence to acknowledge a mistake without feeling like your entire identity is being threatened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number five, they rely heavily on what psychologists call alloplastic defenses.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I want to explain what this is because it's one of the most useful concepts for understanding pathological narcissism.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alloplastic defenses involve responding to psychological discomfort by locating the problem outside of yourself rather than examining your own behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: So instead of asking, what did I do wrong and what do I need to change?
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  SPEAKER_00: the focus becomes what everybody else did wrong and why everybody else needs to change.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now understand we all blame other people occasionally.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just human nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when this becomes a rigid pattern, accountability becomes incredibly difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: If something goes wrong, somebody else caused it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the relationship fails, somebody else ruined it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they're angry, somebody else provoked them.
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  SPEAKER_00: The explanation may change, but the conclusion remains exactly the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: The problem is never them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is why survivors can spend years explaining the same thing over and over without getting anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're asking them to look inward and examine their behavior while their defenses are organized around looking outward and locating the problem somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to discuss responsibility and they're trying to establish why responsibility belongs to somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's no wonder these conversations can go in circles for hours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number six, they may become deeply invested in a version of reality where they're essentially blameless.
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  SPEAKER_00: Survivors often assume the narcissist must know they're lying.
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  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, sometimes they may, but denial, selective memory, rationalization, and self-justification can become so ingrained that someone may genuinely experience their distorted interpretation as reality.
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  SPEAKER_00: If someone has spent decades constructing an identity where they're always justified, misunderstood, or unfairly treated, acknowledging serious wrongdoings threatens that entire story.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they reinterpret events, minimize their behavior, or convince themselves their actions were justified.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually their version may feel emotionally true to them, even when it doesn't match what happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here's what you need to hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether their distortion is conscious or unconscious, the damage can be exactly the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to determine whether somebody genuinely believes their own excuses before you're allowed to recognize that their behavior is harmful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number seven, your pain may become an accusation they feel compelled to defend against.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this one is heartbreaking because it shows how differently conflict can be experienced in narcissistic relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you tell a healthy partner they've hurt you, your pain can activate empathy and a desire to repair the damage.
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  SPEAKER_00: But someone who struggles to tolerate shame may experience your pain primarily as evidence they've done something wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: And instead of focusing on your suffering, they become preoccupied with defending themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think about how tragic that is.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're telling somebody you love that you're hurting because of something they did, and instead of receiving compassion, you're suddenly defending your right to be hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may accuse you of exaggerating, being too sensitive, or even trying to make them feel guilty.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've heard it all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now the person who caused the injury is acting as though your acknowledgement of that injury is the real offense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eventually, in most cases, you're gonna stop expressing your pain altogether because you've learned that telling the truth about how you feel creates more conflict than just remaining silent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number eight, a genuine apology creates obligations they may not want to accept.
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  SPEAKER_00: A genuine apology isn't simply saying I'm sorry, it means accepting responsibility, acknowledging the harm, making repairs, and changing that behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if someone benefits from the existing dynamic, genuine accountability threatens those benefits.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may have to respect boundaries they previously ignored, stop behaviors that gave them control, or accept consequences they'd rather avoid.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now suddenly the question isn't simply whether they're capable of apologizing, it's whether they're willing to do what an apology requires.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is why some survivors receive apologies that sound wonderful, but never produce lasting change.
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  SPEAKER_00: The words temporarily restore the relationship, but the behavior remains exactly the same.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually you realize that an apology without changed behavior isn't repair.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's simply another conversation about repair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number nine, they may demand forgiveness while refusing accountability.
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  SPEAKER_00: Forgiveness, reconciliation, and restored trust are three very important things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Forgiveness may be something you choose for your own well-being, but reconciliation requires participation from both people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And rebuilding trust requires evidence that the harmful behavior has changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: But someone who feels entitled to forgiveness may want the relationship restored without accepting responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may insist you need to move on, stop bringing up the past, or prove your love by giving them another chance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you hesitate, suddenly you're cruel, unforgiving, or unwilling to work on the relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you notice how quickly responsibility shifts?
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  SPEAKER_00: The person who caused the harm is now demanding that the injured person demonstrate greater emotional maturity by pretending the harm no longer matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: But forgiveness doesn't obligate you to reconcile.
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  SPEAKER_00: And reconciliation without accountability often becomes nothing more than permission for the same behavior to continue.
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  SPEAKER_00: And finally, number 10, they may end up resenting you for the very harm they caused.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something almost unbelievable about someone hurting you, refusing to acknowledge it, and then becoming angry because you haven't forgotten what happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: But psychologically, your continued awareness of the injury may represent something they desperately want to avoid.
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  SPEAKER_00: You remember what happened, you know what was said, you understand the pattern, and your refusal to pretend everything is fine means that uncomfortable reality remains present.
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  SPEAKER_00: So instead of acknowledging the harm, they may begin experiencing you as the source of their discomfort.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're the one who won't let things go.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're the one bringing up the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're the one making the relationship miserable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And somehow the person who caused the injury becomes the person holding the grudge.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is where survivors need to confront one of the most painful realities of narcissistic abuse.
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  SPEAKER_00: You may spend years believing that if you find the right words, present enough evidence, or explain your pain clearly enough, eventually something will click.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eventually they'll understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eventually they'll apologize.
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  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes the problem isn't that you haven't explained it well enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's that acknowledging your explanation would require them to confront something they're unwilling or maybe even unable to face.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that realization can be heartbreaking because the apology you've been waiting for may never come.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think survivors should spend the rest of their lives waiting for somebody to develop a level of accountability that they've repeatedly demonstrated they don't possess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Meaningful change is possible for some people who genuinely develop insight and consistently take responsibility, but you cannot build your future around the hope that someone will eventually become a different person.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's one final distinction I want you to remember.
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  SPEAKER_00: Regret and remorse are not the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Someone can regret losing their marriage, their family, their reputation, or access to somebody who loved them without necessarily feeling genuine remorse for the harm they caused.
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  SPEAKER_00: Regret can be focused entirely on the consequences they're experiencing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remorse requires recognizing the suffering of the person they hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those are two very different things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you've spent years wondering why somebody would rather lose everything than admit they were wrong, consider the possibility that they weren't evaluating the situation according to the same priorities you were.
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  SPEAKER_00: You were trying to save the relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: They may have been trying to save their self-image.
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  SPEAKER_00: You were trying to repair the damage, they were trying to avoid responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when two people are pursuing completely different objectives, no amount of explaining can necessarily bring them to the same destination.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if this episode resonated with you and you're struggling to understand narcissistic abuse, break a trauma bond, rebuild self-trust, or recover from complex PTSD, I offer private one-on-one coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: I also have my comprehensive narcissistic abuse recovery course and my private recovery circle community.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can learn more about all of these resources and schedule a coaching session at www.jillwise.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as always, thank you so much for spending this time with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you know someone who's spent years waiting for an apology that never seems to come, please consider sharing this episode with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And remember, somebody else's refusal to acknowledge the harm they've caused doesn't mean the harm wasn't real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their inability to apologize doesn't mean you weren't deserving of an apology.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the most important thing you can do for yourself is stop waiting for someone else to admit they were wrong before you give yourself permission to move forward.