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Pastors' Perspective-10/20/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Pastor's Perspective. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Michael David in for Brian Perez. On today's program, we
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  Speaker 1: have Brian Broderson. He is pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel
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  Speaker 1: Costa Mesa in Southern California. You can get more information
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  Speaker 1: about him at echoesofmercy.com. On the program, we also have
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  Speaker 1: Phil Metzger from Calvary, San Diego, and the website for
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  Speaker 1: Calvary San Diego is CalvarySD.com. Brian and Phil, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: being on the program today.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, thank you, David, and you mentioned that Phil looks
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  Speaker 1: AI today.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, now listen, what I see right now is
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  Speaker 2: that me and Michael look like basically twins.
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  Speaker 1: Twins can't tell us apart. Only our mother can tell
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  Speaker 1: us apart. Yes, yeah, only a mother can tell us apart.
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  Speaker 1: But you have the, the background that matches your shirt, Phil.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why. And
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  Speaker 2: the funny part is it's just a like a white
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  Speaker 2: light behind me, but it looks like my shirt. You're right, it's.
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  Speaker 1: And Michael's got that wonderful roof of the industrial building
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  Speaker 1: across the street with some telephone poles.
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  Speaker 2: See, now, here's the thing, Brian. I don't see any
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  Speaker 2: of that. I only, I get just a tiny little frame, right?
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  Speaker 2: And so
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  Speaker 1: he looks,
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  Speaker 2: he's a good looking dude in my screen right now.
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  Speaker 1: I, I've been thinking I gotta talk to Brian Perez.
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  Speaker 1: It's like we have got to fix your background because
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  Speaker 1: it's really.
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  Speaker 1: It's just looks poor. It just, it's not, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a good look.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like it. I
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  Speaker 1: like his background.
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  Speaker 1: You like those telephone poles back then?
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  Speaker 1: Those air conditioners on that roof over there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on. Well, it's real. It's kind of industrial, strong,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is a powerful, yeah, this is an
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  Speaker 1: industrial strength program.
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  Speaker 1: We're here at the, the Bible industrial complex, ready to
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  Speaker 1: wage war on the devil.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. Yes. And if you want to talk to
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  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil, the number is 888-564-6173. Again, 888-564-6173.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be here till 4 o'clock Pacific time. We'd like
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  Speaker 1: to answer your question on the Bible, the Christian faith,
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  Speaker 1: and how to live the Christian life. We'll start with Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Paul in Richland, Washington, while listening to us on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: and watching us on YouTube. Paul, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 1: Um, normally I watch you on YouTubeTube. I'm just talking
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  Speaker 1: to you from my phone right now, so I can't
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  Speaker 1: see you handsome fellows there. That, that's, that's just as good,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, your voices are beautiful equally. Oh thank you, as,
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  Speaker 1: as is yours. So thank you, Paul. Uh, you're very,
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  Speaker 1: you're very kind. Um, yeah, my, my question is like
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  Speaker 1: a two point question. One question like, uh, um, I
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  Speaker 1: know you guys will sort it out and then I'll
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  Speaker 1: hang up and listen to your guys' answer, um.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm so thankful for all of you. Um, is
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  Speaker 1: being filled with the spirit.
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  Speaker 1: The same as coming.
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  Speaker 1: As the spirit coming upon a person and um also
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  Speaker 1: with that, um.
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  Speaker 1: Is this my provision as an adopted son of God
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  Speaker 1: that I may have the Acts, um, chapter 1 verse 8,
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  Speaker 1: filling and empowering anytime by simply asking?
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  Speaker 1: And then I'll hang up now and we'll listen to
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  Speaker 1: the wonderful answer and thank you. Oh wait, wait, Paul, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: we might need you to hang on because the pastors
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  Speaker 1: might need to follow up. Can you hang on, Paul?
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  Speaker 1: OK, thank you. Please hold. All right, uh, Brian, we'll
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  Speaker 1: start with you.
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  Speaker 1: Um, it does, it does seem, yes, in Acts chapter 1,
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  Speaker 1: verse 8 that you mentioned, you know, Jesus says that
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  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit will come upon you.
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  Speaker 1: Um, not many days from now, and you will be
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  Speaker 1: witnesses to me and so forth. And then the event
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  Speaker 1: that Jesus prophesized happens on the day of Pentecost, and
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  Speaker 1: it says regarding the people on the day of Pentecost,
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  Speaker 1: and they were all filled with the Spirit and spoke
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  Speaker 1: with other tongues. So Jesus says the Spirit's coming upon you, um,
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  Speaker 1: and actually the term baptism is used in that context
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  Speaker 1: there in chapter one.
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  Speaker 1: And then when it actually happens, it's referred to as
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  Speaker 1: a filling. So I do think that there's, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's somewhat synonymous, you know, maybe slightly different, but overlapping, um,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I mean, I mean, you know, there, there
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  Speaker 1: is a big theological debate about whether
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, the baptism of the spirit is something
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  Speaker 1: that happens to every believer upon conversion, or is the
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  Speaker 1: baptism of the spirit that happens subsequent to conversion could be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the same, um, moments or in some cases,
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  Speaker 1: some people would say, oh, it's, it's something that could
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  Speaker 1: be delayed by years for whatever the case. Um, I,
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  Speaker 1: I tend to see them as more or less synonymous.
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  Speaker 1: Phil, what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's, um, yeah, and it's funny, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just getting prepared to teach John 20 when Jesus breathed
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  Speaker 2: on the disciples, right? And so there's these like several
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  Speaker 2: kind of instances that
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there, there's a theological persuasion that likes to kind
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  Speaker 2: of separate them out very distinctly, right? Very like clear,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, this means this and this means this,
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  Speaker 2: but I think if we just read the, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you read John and you read Acts, what you,
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  Speaker 2: and then you read what Paul writes about the filling
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  Speaker 2: of the spirit and the, the importance of daily filling, really,
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  Speaker 2: what I think you're left with is the idea that
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  Speaker 2: like God so loves his people that he is in us,
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  Speaker 2: He is with us, and he is upon us.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, you know, um, where like maybe some theological
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  Speaker 2: persuasions would say, no, once you're filled with the spirit,
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  Speaker 2: that's it, you don't need to ask anymore, you don't
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  Speaker 2: need to do anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Our particular persuasion says, no, we, we love the idea
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  Speaker 2: that we get to keep asking for more of God. Um,
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  Speaker 2: whether we like believe that like you have to ask
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  Speaker 2: for God to fill you is different than we have
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  Speaker 2: the privilege of asking. We have the privilege of saying, God,
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  Speaker 2: fill me.
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  Speaker 2: afresh, right? And, and Paul wrote that and he used
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  Speaker 2: this kind of great kind of contrast, right? Do not
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  Speaker 2: be drunk with wine, but be constantly filled with the
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  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. And so we're, we're invited in to, to
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  Speaker 2: ask God to fill us regularly. So,
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  Speaker 2: I'm less interested in trying to separate them out as like, well,
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  Speaker 2: is this this or is that that, and more like
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  Speaker 2: reminding Christians that like when you put your faith in Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: you have all of God. You, I mean, he has
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  Speaker 2: made himself fully at your, at our disposal, fully available
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  Speaker 2: to fill us with his power, fully available. We have
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  Speaker 2: everything that we would need to live a godly life, um,
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  Speaker 2: and the privilege is we get to ask for that,
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  Speaker 2: and so, um,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that helps. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that helps our listener at all. Is he still on,
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  Speaker 2: or
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  Speaker 1: is
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  Speaker 1: he, did he hang up now? Paul, are you still there?
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  Speaker 1: Did that answer both of your questions? Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: both of those guys are so right on. Yeah, Brian
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  Speaker 1: and Phil, and I, I just wanted to say thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. Yes, I took notes and everything. And
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  Speaker 1: I also just wanted to say this last thing that, um, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I did recognize the family resemblance a long time ago between, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Between Phil and Michael, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Love you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul. You are the best. Thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for calling at 888-564-6173. We'll also get uh uh
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  Speaker 1: some of those Facebook questions in, uh, that uh you
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  Speaker 1: can send to us at facebook.com/pastor's perspective, but we do
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  Speaker 1: prefer to hear the sound of your voice. So 888-564-6173.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna start with Sharon in Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: She asked, why did God allow Satan to be in
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  Speaker 1: the Garden of Eden? OK, we'll start with Phil on
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  Speaker 1: that one. Why did God allow Satan to be in
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  Speaker 1: the Garden of
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  Speaker 1: Eden?
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question. It's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a, there's a lesser question. It's like, why did
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  Speaker 2: Noah let mosquitoes on the ark, right? It's like, why
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  Speaker 2: do we have those little things, you know, and, and like,
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  Speaker 2: why is Satan allowed in the garden? If Satan would
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  Speaker 2: not have been there, then, you know, all these things,
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  Speaker 2: but we, we, well, we want to remember, like, for
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  Speaker 2: The fall of Adam and Eve wasn't only because of Satan,
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  Speaker 2: though he was the one tempting, but ultimately, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Adam and Eve made a choice to want to, they,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted more, they wanted something that they thought they
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  Speaker 2: were missing out, and the devil tempted them. Why did
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  Speaker 2: God allow them to?
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  Speaker 2: You know, here's the big kind of the one of
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  Speaker 2: the big theological reasons though it doesn't, it doesn't always
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  Speaker 2: make us feel better about the whole thing, but remember
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  Speaker 2: that like humanity, we've always been given the freedom of
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  Speaker 2: choice with God. He's never wanted to, even from the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning of creation, he's never wanted to force us
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  Speaker 2: to believe. He's never wanted, he didn't create us in
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  Speaker 2: such a way where we had no choice to.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, where we're just a robot and uh
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  Speaker 2: it's forced to think the way that God tells us to,
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  Speaker 2: to do what God tells us to do. He wanted
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  Speaker 2: us to have choice and, and giving the devil a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of kind of, um,
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  Speaker 2: Freedom, uh, enabled us to be able to choose, and
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  Speaker 2: we had the right to choose to say, no, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna follow God. We, of course, humanity chose to sin
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  Speaker 2: against God. Um, God, you know, the Bible even tells
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  Speaker 2: us in the book of Job that there was a
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  Speaker 2: season where like the devil was having access to the, to,
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  Speaker 2: to heaven.
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  Speaker 2: The devil's coming up there and he's making all these
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  Speaker 2: accusations against, you know, against God and God's saying, have
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  Speaker 2: you seen my servant Job? And so, not only did
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  Speaker 2: he have access to the garden in that season, that
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  Speaker 2: time with Adam and Eve, but there was a season
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  Speaker 2: when he had access to the throne of God, and
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  Speaker 2: you think, boy, oh boy. But the Bible tells us
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  Speaker 2: that he, that does not, that will not happen forever,
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  Speaker 2: that he will be cast into hell for eternity, and, um,
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  Speaker 2: but that day has not yet come.
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  Speaker 1: And Brian, what would you say to that? Oh, I'd
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  Speaker 1: say that was, uh, the perfect answer. I couldn't add any,
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  Speaker 1: anything to it. All right, very good. And, uh, thank you, Sharon,
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  Speaker 1: for contacting us on Facebook from Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, and, uh, on Facebook.com/pastor's perspective. Uh, again, you can
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  Speaker 1: call us at 888-564-6173. Another, uh, Facebook question is Chris,
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Gann. He asked, is America Babylon in the scripture?
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying that for many years, the new Roman Empire,
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  Speaker 1: not the old Roman Empire, which everyone keeps thinking.
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  Speaker 1: America was always called the new world, the new Roman Empire.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that, uh, Brian?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, no, America is not the new Roman Empire or
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  Speaker 1: the new, um.
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  Speaker 1: Babylon, of course, um, America as we know it, the
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  Speaker 1: United States was.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, founded through, um, colonial powers originally part of the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, British colonies and some French and some Spanish, and, and,
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  Speaker 1: and then of course, you know, America gained its independence,
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  Speaker 1: the United States was formed and, um, and there was
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  Speaker 1: certainly uh on the on the part of some of
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  Speaker 1: the founders, there were, you know, they were experts in Roman.
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  Speaker 1: Law and philosophy and things like that. So there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of influence, I, I think from ancient Greek
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  Speaker 1: and Roman society that went into the founding of the country.
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  Speaker 1: But
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  Speaker 1: Um, there's nothing biblical that would tie, uh, the US
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  Speaker 1: to the Roman Empire. Um, I, I personally think that
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  Speaker 1: the Roman Empire is yet to come. Again, that there's
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  Speaker 1: a phase of it that still hasn't, um, emerged in history,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it will be based in the same region,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that it was based in originally, which of
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  Speaker 1: course would be the Mediterranean area and and Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but then Babylon, uh, you know, Babylon was, was
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  Speaker 1: a Babylon.
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  Speaker 1: And uh Babylon was.
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  Speaker 1: You know, founded centuries even before Nebuchadnezzar, he's the most
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  Speaker 1: well known for people biblically, of course, he's the most
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  Speaker 1: well known Babylonian king. And then, uh, after his reign
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  Speaker 1: in the reign of his grandson Belshazzar, the, the Medes, uh,
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  Speaker 1: conquered Babylon. And then, of course, the Medes were ultimately
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  Speaker 1: conquered by the Greeks, and then the Romans, you know,
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  Speaker 1: came after the Greeks.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh, but Babylon itself, interestingly, Babylon remained as a
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  Speaker 1: significant city for a long, long time. So the predictions
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  Speaker 1: in scripture about the destruction of Babylon, um, were never fulfilled.
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  Speaker 1: In the New Testament period, Babylon is still existing and
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  Speaker 1: Jews live in Babylon. There's what's called the Babylonian Talmud,
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  Speaker 1: which is, you know, Jewish literature that was written by
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  Speaker 1: the Jews that remained in.
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  Speaker 1: In Babylon. So, um, there could be, um, a future Babylon.
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  Speaker 1: There could be a future rise of Babylon. But, but
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  Speaker 1: I think in the, in the sense of a system
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  Speaker 1: that is idolatrous and contrary to God, of course, you
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  Speaker 1: can find that in in most places. Um, some people
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  Speaker 1: have said, well, the US for sure because of our
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  Speaker 1: prosperity and because of the wickedness and so forth. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but
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  Speaker 1: Uh, sorry for rambling on, but rambling, this is good stuff,
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  Speaker 1: good stuff. No, it's not. The US is not the
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  Speaker 1: Roman Empire, nor is it Babylon, unless Phil knows something
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: no, I thought that was a great answer. I think
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  Speaker 2: I like what you said there like if you wanna
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  Speaker 2: like talk about a system, right, like then that system
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  Speaker 2: exists everywhere, absolutely everywhere, and so.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think that's actually a wrong usage to
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  Speaker 2: use that. Like it's a, it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta remember that was like code for Christians and
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  Speaker 2: you know, religious people knew what John meant when he
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  Speaker 2: would write about Babylon, right? That like maybe the world
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  Speaker 2: system didn't know. And so I would say it's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing today when we say things like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: so idolatrous, it's so, it's just like Babylon. All we're
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  Speaker 2: doing is, is pointing out to a system that's godless,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak, and that's everywhere in the world. Great answer, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: that's good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, Christopher, thank you for contacting us on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook.com/pastor's perspective. Uh, let's, uh, go back to the phones
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  Speaker 1: now and, uh, talk to Alex from Oahu, Hawaii, who
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  Speaker 1: called us at 888-564-6173. Alex, welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, uh, thanks for having me, um.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, my question here is, uh, that, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: someone asks me, uh, when I became a Christian, I
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  Speaker 1: always find it interesting of a question, but also wonder
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  Speaker 1: how to answer that, um, given that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we were predestined and God chose us before
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  Speaker 1: the foundation of the earth. And then also I remember
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  Speaker 1: hearing about Jesus when I was a kid, doing the
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  Speaker 1: whole prayer, but maybe not feeling that, you know, my
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  Speaker 1: heart has changed. I feel like, you know, throughout my
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  Speaker 1: entire life there's moments even now becoming a Christian every
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  Speaker 1: single day. And so I guess how do you respond
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  Speaker 1: to that and also how do we think about that
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  Speaker 1: in terms of
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  Speaker 1: Um, when we quote unquote are saved and have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: say that we have become a Christian.
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  Speaker 1: All right, uh, great question, Alex. We'll start with Phil
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  Speaker 1: on that one. What would you say to Alex?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess Alex, if you wanna take like a,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a really like kind of, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, like a strict reformed theological perspective, I
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  Speaker 2: would say, yeah, since the foundation of the world, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that you could say that, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: could say, when were you born again? Well, since before,
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  Speaker 2: you know, before the ages, but I think most people
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  Speaker 2: when they're asking us, when did you become a Christian,
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of asking more like, when did your life truly,
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  Speaker 2: like when, when did
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe in a sense, you know, maybe if you,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're coming from like a reformed background,
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  Speaker 2: for you, I would say like, when did sanctification, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when were you justified or when, when were you sanctified
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  Speaker 2: really is what I would say like, for me, I
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  Speaker 2: got saved um when I was about 15 years old,
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  Speaker 2: and I would define it very easily. This is the
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  Speaker 2: moment when I recognized I could no longer live my
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  Speaker 2: life without Jesus, that I, if I didn't make a decision.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and I'm, I do believe I was saved before
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  Speaker 2: the foundations of the world, right? God chose me before
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  Speaker 2: the foundation of the world, but I also know that
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  Speaker 2: there was a day when I very distinctly was like,
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  Speaker 2: I need God, I need him in my life, and
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  Speaker 2: I prayed and invited him in, and he, uh, he
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  Speaker 2: brought change, he brought transformation from that day forward. I've
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  Speaker 2: had a heck of a lot of bad days since
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  Speaker 2: then and a whole bunch of good days.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I've walked in unsanctified ways and other times sanctified ways,
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  Speaker 2: but I think when people ask, when did you become
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  Speaker 2: a Christian, if you grew up in the church, you're
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  Speaker 2: in a really cool position to say, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in the things of God, but I'll bet,
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  Speaker 2: I'll bet there's still a season of your life, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's not a one day, but a season of
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  Speaker 2: your life where like, this is when I really like
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  Speaker 2: truly committed myself to God. That to me is that
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  Speaker 2: what most people are asking when they ask, when did
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you become a Christian?
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  Speaker 1: Very good. Uh, Alex, did that answer your question?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I think, you know, when I think
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  Speaker 1: about my own personal journey, it's, you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: I feel like when I was a kid I said
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  Speaker 1: those things and gave my life to Christ, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I still remember having, you know,
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  Speaker 1: guilt and those kind of like deeper thoughts and thinking
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  Speaker 1: that that might be from the Holy Spirit, but then,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You know, there was a period of me, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like when I was I was growing up, I was
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: still searching, and then, you know, gave my life to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Christ again, and then there was a season where, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I quote unquote ran away thinking that I ran away
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: from God, but God was always there and now bringing
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: me back to Christ. I feel like I'm, I'm again
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: having a new perspective where, you know, now I'm reading
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: His word and it's like as if I'm reading it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: for the first time again. So I'm just wondering like, man.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Christian, uh, or a follower of Christ every single,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, 5 years, like what's going on here? Uh,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: or going back to my reformed, uh, kind of theological perspective,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: which is like, I was always, uh, in Christ, but
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm just being sanctified in my own way. But yeah,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I'm curious as to how to articulate that in my
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  Speaker 1: own head. We think of, um, think of Paul in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: uh Galatians where he talks about, um, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he was separated from his mother's womb for the gospel.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But then of course, he also talks about how he was, uh,
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  Speaker 1: persecuting the church, you know, he had excelled above his
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: contemporaries in Judaism. His zeal for Judaism was so intense
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that he thought he should destroy Christians. So you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't say that Paul was saved during that season. Uh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: but he could look back to see that, um,
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, of course, we all can because of
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: what the scriptures tell us that it is really before
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  Speaker 1: the foundation of the world, but there, but there is
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  Speaker 1: the moment that we experience and so the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the scripture uses the term saved in the past tense.
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  Speaker 1: And um I, I think I was reading Ephesians today,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where, where Paul is talking about, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you who are dead in your trespasses and sins. So that's,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that's where you were.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he has made alive together in Christ, for by
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: grace you are saved through faith and not, not of yourself. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so there's definitely a place where you're not saved.
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  Speaker 1: You're dead in your trespasses and sin, but then you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: were made alive. And so I think that, um, like
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Phil said, I think, you know, when especially when, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: somebody on the street ask you about this and you start, well,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know, before the foundation of the world, they're gonna
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: be like, what? So, yeah, just keep it simple.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Good advice. Very good advice. Well, Alex, thanks for contacting
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: us from Oahu, Hawaii. One last thing though, Alex, because
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that Alex, that is great too, just to hear, you know, how,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: how God's been bringing you along in this journey. Um,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I became a Christian in the sense of, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the the life transformation.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Um, when I was about 20.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but you know, it's funny, sometimes I think back
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to when I was like 12 or 13 and I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: went to this camp, a Christian camp. Um, I was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: basically raised Catholic, but I did go to this Christian camp, uh,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: for a weekend and I, I look back and I think, wow,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I remember kind of really, you know, having an emotional
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: time and asking,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Jesus to forgive my sins and come into my life
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and I got home from the camp and I never
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: thought about it again, but I did have this interesting
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: experience as I went through my teen years where I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: seemed to have a conviction of sin that my friends
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: did not share and I, I often look back and wonder,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you know, what happened at that, you know, 12 or
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: 13th year.
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  Speaker 1: That, you know, did something happen that put that in
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: me so that, you know, ultimately, of course, I, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I would come to Jesus, but um, yeah, some of
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it is a bit of a mystery.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Very interesting, very interesting. And again, great answers, great insight.
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  Speaker 1: And again, thank you, Alex from Oahu, Hawaii. Uh, we're
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: going to go from Hawaii to El Toro, California and
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  Speaker 1: talk to Irene. Irene, welcome to the program.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Welcome.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for calling. How can we help you?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I need prayer because I, I really need help because
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of a very personal pri personal private problem that I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: have that I'm not too sure that I can relate
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that information to anybody because it's something that only the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Almighty God knows.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you're right. God does know and so we can.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Pray for you. I don't know how to explain my situation. Yeah, uh,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I'm an, I'm an important person where I invented all
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the music instruments, and I need the Almighty God to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: relate that information to the world and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And I was able to pocket a U-Haul truck full
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of money in the 20th century. I gave that money
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to Prince Charles and I ended up in the street,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm at rock bottom because of it. OK, well, Brian,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: what would you say?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Well, um, Irene, yeah, so, you know, we, we will
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  Speaker 1: pray for you and um.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll we'll pray for you. Uh, Lord, Lord, we
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: pray for Irene and you know her plight, you know
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: what is happening with her. Um, Lord, you know everything, all,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: all the details of her thinking process and all of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that and and her.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You know, physical circumstances and and so forth. So, uh,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we pray that you would bring her the help she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: needs and you know what that is. So we commit
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: her to you and we trust that because you're God,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you're able to do, uh, things that we can't do.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So we ask you to work in her life so
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that she can really know you in a way that will.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Bring um healing and peace to her in Jesus' name.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Amen. Amen. Thank you, Irene, for calling us from El Toro.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: We're going to go from El Toro to LA and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: talk to Lynn. Lynn, welcome to the program.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Hi, how are you gentlemen today? I'm good. How are you?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I'm doing well, thank you for taking my call. Um,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I was, um,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Listening to another program today and someone had written in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a question about God's omniscience, and the question was, if
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: God is omniscient, why did he then make
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: People who he knew wouldn't accept Christ.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And the host.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: said, well, it's because God doesn't know whether or not
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you will accept Christ, and I was kind of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Dumbfounded because I'm like that defies omniscience.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And he used um
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: The part in Genesis when Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And he said that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: When right as he was going to, you know, sacrifice Isaac.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: God said, now I know you won't withhold anything from me,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: as God saying that he didn't know what he was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: gonna do, but I'm like, I'm pretty sure I remember
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Scripture saying that God knows our thoughts, and I'm like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: how could he have plans for our life if he
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what we're gonna do? So I'm a little,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I want to get some clarity on that because that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: was confusing to me. I was very perceptive of you
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and uh commend you for your, you know, your radar.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Your radar is strong on.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Weird teaching. So Phil knows all about this, um, teaching.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: He's a theologian. So.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You can answer these complicated questions about omniscience and things
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, that is a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: great observation though, and, and certainly, um, yeah, I mean,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I think what you heard was wrong, like I mean,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: God does know all things that you can't, you're not
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: gonna take away, I mean the Bible's very clear on that,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: God says that.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And so, um, omniscience that he believes and know that
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: he knows all things. Now, his omniscience doesn't mean that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: we still don't need to choose, that we still don't
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: need to follow him, omniscience, um, but it certainly means
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that he knows what the choices that we're making are,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and the Bible speaks to that over and over and over.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It's just good that you caught that, um, I mean, there's,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: there's just a plethora of directions you could go in
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for this that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: The Bible certainly makes it clear that God knows everything
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and um so for him to not know what is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: just an impossibility. He knows everything. Good catch on that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Well done, and you're correct. Who was it? Was it
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: another show you were listening to? Is that what like
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: another
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that's what she said
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it was another show you, uh, but they weren't on,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: they weren't on our station.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Because we're
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: gonna, I was gonna say it was not here on
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: K wave.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna bust them.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: In the morning
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: they're so busted.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Um 13, so.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So one thing about the, um, you know, kind of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: just your original question, like, you know, if God knows everything,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and he knows who's going to receive him and who isn't,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: why does he, why does he create people that are
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not going to receive him. Um, and we don't totally
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: know the answer to that question, but I do think
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that we can, um, even though God knows, uh, God
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: still creates people with a free will and an opportunity.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: To receive him even though he knows that they won't,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't obviously it doesn't prevent him from from not
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: creating them. But, um, also, secondly, what you heard was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: actually a theological view known as open theism and open
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: theism is the view that God doesn't know everything that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: we can actually surprise God by our actions and things
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: like that, and then God has to.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know, kind of regroup and, you know, plan a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: little bit differently because, um, you know, things didn't, he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: didn't anticipate things were going to go that way. Um,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: so this is a theological position that is held by
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: uh certain people uh in the church today.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And um like Phil said, I, I think that that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: position is wrong. But, but you can see if you,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: if you, you know, it's kind of like if you
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: just take half of the scriptures, the ones like he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: mentioned with Abraham, now God knows.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: OK, fine. But there's a whole another set of scriptures
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that actually say God knows everything. So, you have to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: learn how to balance these things out. And I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the balance is God is omniscient. So, great answers. We
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: got to go to a break. Lynn from Los Angeles,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Calling with that great question. We're going to take some
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: more questions after the break. You can call now if
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you haven't called already, 888-564-6173. Brian Broderson and Phil Esker
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: are here to answer your questions. So call us at 888-564-6173.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: We'll see you in a few.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the second half of Pastor's Perspective. I'm
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Michael David in for Brian Perez. On today's program, we
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: have Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger. And, uh, also, Phil,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I know you guys, this is the time of year
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have trunk or treats, Halloween alternatives
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: at their churches. I believe you have one going on
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: there at Calvert San Diego on October 31st. Is that right?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah. And we don't even call it an alternative.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: We just do Halloween and um.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's so much easier, you know. And, uh, yeah, we,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we have a big old event that we've been doing
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: since COVID and a couple of 1000 kids coming through,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: super fun, 65 o'clock to 8 o'clock. We have skating
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and trunk or treats and food trucks, and it's really fun.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So if you're in South San Diego, come on out.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: October 31st.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: 5 o'clock,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: 5 to 8 p.m., uh, their Halloween trick, trunk or treat, uh,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: reaching the community through candy and fun. Uh, you get
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: more information on that at calvarysd.com. And if your church
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: is having a Halloween alternative event, bless you. That's very important.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: So what's the, um, like, what's the distinction between trunk
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and treat?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Because I mean the treat is the candy, right, but
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: what's in the trunk? No,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, I don't know why they call
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it trunk or treat. I don't know. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Now some churches use trunks of cars in the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: parking lot,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: so yeah, we do. That's how we, that's how it
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: started for us because of COVID, people couldn't go like inside, right?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: It was like the whole like spacing. So we set
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: up and just had, um, our cars so that you
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: could just get candy from there and then we just
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: kept going. I don't know, it's like they're open.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It's like for, I don't know, a lot of people
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: are against them I've heard because, hey, we're missing going
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to our communities and neighbors door to doors, but a
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: lot of our neighborhoods just don't have that. They're apartment
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: buildings or condos, and they don't do it. So we
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: just set up and I don't know, we've been doing
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it for 6 years now. It's been great. I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: know if we'll do it forever, but we do, you know, it's,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: it's a great gospel opportunity. You just get to remind
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: your city like we're here, we're a part of this place,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and we love y'all,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, very important, very important to give the kids a
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: safe place to go. Very important. So I'm glad you
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: guys are doing that at Calvary San Diego. And uh again,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: this is Pastor's perspective 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go back to the phone lines and talk
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to Shelly in Los Angeles. Shelly, welcome to the program.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, um, I was really hot, like I said, uh,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: for confirmation of what the, uh, lady on the I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was saying about, um, Satan getting permission. Now we, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: haven't had, I, I, I guess it's all over the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: world right now. There's an invasion going on because the,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: since the laser, um.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Development has been put into practice on so many levels.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: They are using our citizens, ordinary people like myself as
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: guinea pigs to um uh perform all types of experiments
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like presently I'm undergoing monsterism, you know, that's when you,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you sexual. Mhm.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Brian
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's Phil's, I think this one is actually, uh,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Phil's Phil's turn.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in my specialty still wheelhouse. It's in my, it's in
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: my theological wheelhouse. Well, I,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I spoke to Irene who made all the musical instruments
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: in the world and so forth, so I figured, uh, you, no, no,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you can speak with Shelley.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Shelly, it's good to talk to you. Thanks for
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: calling in. I, I don't, I don't know. I don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: know what I could say to you, um.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I just don't know, Shelly. Um, love to pray for you. Um,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: if you would like that though, would, would that be OK, Shelly?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Can I pray for you?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Can we pray for you, Shelly? Go on. That's OK,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: let's go pray for ourselves.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I love it, yeah. Father, I just wanna pray for
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Shelly and just, just, Lord, I, I'm, I'm thankful for her.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I pray that you would just touch her and bless
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: her and strengthen her and heal her, Lord. Thank you
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that you're, uh, you're just, you're a really good God
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and you love us where we're at.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And so I just pray you to reach Shelly right
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: where she's at in Jesus' name. Amen.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Amen. Shelly, thank you for calling us from Los Angeles.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: We're going from Los Angeles to, uh, Palm Springs. Tim
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: in Palm Springs. Welcome to the program.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Tim, are you there?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Tim
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You was on mute. We'll go back to you, Tim. OK. Uh,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to go to Ayana in San Dimas. Ayana,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Hi pastors, how are you? Thanks for taking my call.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Um, so, um, I'm just reaching out if I could, um,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: get some prayers from you. I feel like I am broken. Um,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I have one daughter.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Who, I'm a single mom who raised my daughter to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: be
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Um
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I geared my daughter to where she is right now.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: She's very, um, she's very good, like she's in the government, um,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: works for the military, have a high position.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: But I just felt like my daughter didn't see my
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: sacrifice and how she got where she is with um
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: All the things that I did, I didn't feel like
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: appreciation or or gratitude for
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Um,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Where she is right now. Am I overreacting or?
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Um, I just want her to find some wisdom that
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Without
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Me steering her or all the sacrifices that I made,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't be where, where she is right now. And, and,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and of course, it's, it's a two-way street. She made
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: all the right decisions, worked hard for where she is,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and I, I, I give her kudos because she, she
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: planned it too, but I felt like I geared her
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and I kind of like.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: steer her to the right direction and the sacrifice that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: all I did to where she is right now.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Brian, so is it that you, you just feel like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: she's not appreciative of everything you've done and you wish
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: she was? Is that pretty much what it comes to? Yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I felt like there was no appreciation. It was like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I never felt the warmth of my daughter. It's just like.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You know, you give, give, give, and it's like, oh, Mom,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: thank you, you know, I appreciate it, you know, there,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: there was no, it's just the word thank you means,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: means a lot, you know, I, I never, I never, um,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: felt that. So I don't know if I'm just overreacting,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and I hope I was just praying for wisdom for
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: her that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Um, how, how old is she?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Um, she's in her early 30s, early 30s, OK, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: she's been on her own, obviously for quite some time,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and she's become successful in her career and very, very successful, yes.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And are you in regular contact with her?
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I try to keep my distance, um, kind
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: of have a falling out, yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I, I don't know if you're overreacting, but I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: do understand the, the feelings. I mean, you know, we're,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: we're human and you want reciprocation when you invest and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: when you love and you know, you hope that you,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you get that in return. But as parents know, that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: isn't always the case. And sometimes, um,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, that appreciation isn't expressed or in some
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: cases that, you know, maybe not even be there. But
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it necessarily works to tell them that,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're not appreciative. And I was just
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: waiting for her to just do it on her own. Yeah, yeah. Well,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that's what you hope. And I, I think this is
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: where
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: You know, this is where the parent, you kind of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: become like God in the sense of, uh, unconditional love,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you just keep loving them. And even though,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, think of God, you know, you've got like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a planet of 8 billion people and most of them
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: are like, who's God? Who cares who God is? I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: don't why would I think God? And so, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: when you're in a situation like that, you're kind of like, OK,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this is the Lord knows this. So, um, I would
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: just say pray for her, keep loving her.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Um, if there's a distance that you can, um, close
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the gap to some degree, then, you know, try to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: do that, but sometimes you just, you know, have to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: give people space and, and hope that things get sorted.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Phil, I mean, have you seen that sometimes in church
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the kids grow up and they don't want to have
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: anything to do with the parents, and if so, what
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: do you do? What do you do? How do you
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: counsel those parents?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's, you're, Ayanna, you're describing something that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of, a lot of parents have experienced, and, um,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, and I think what Brian shared
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was so good. I think also like good news is
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: if you can, like, you know, commit this to the Lord,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: commit her to the Lord.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: You know, we have to know, like, you know, all, again,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: we're all parents here, so, and we're all parents of
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like adult children, so, yeah, like we raise our kids
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to be independent so that they could go out and,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and live in the world, and then they do that
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and we're like, wait, hold on a second, how dare you?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: How dare you be independent from me? Uh, and so,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: you know, there's probably more to your story than what
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: we're getting. I, I, I, you know, I, I appreciate that,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: but
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I wonder if, like, you know, I agree with Brian,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're overreacting, but I do think it's like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe with your daughter, you don't wanna lead
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: with your own hurt feelings. I, I've done that too
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: many times with my kids. I'll just take myself as
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: an example. I've led with my own hurt feelings, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it never produces anything good.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Um, if I want a relationship, then I need to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: recognize that my hurt feelings are valid, but not gonna
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: build better relationships. So I need to just kind of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: put that to the side a little bit and say, hey,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of my kids. I'm so, you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're really proud of your daughter. Lean into
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that a little bit more and maybe relationship can get established.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: When relationship is rebuilt, then there's an opportunity for expressing
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and communicating feelings, but where relationship's been hurt, leaning in
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: with your own hurt feelings is not gonna make it better.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Better to like find common ground and um I'm, we're
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: certainly hoping that that can happen for you.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Does that help Ayana? Thank you. Yes, thank you. All right, well,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you so much for calling.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate that. And by the way, Phil, I'm,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I don't have grown kids. I think that's just you
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and Brian in this room, but, uh, Michael doesn't even have.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Not grown kids. He doesn't have any kids. Yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah. It sounded like you were saying your kids
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: are not grown, but what you mean to say is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: there are no children.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: That is correct. Yes, yes. So when you guys talk
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: about grandchildren, I don't know what in the world you
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: guys are talking about, but, well, come on, you.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You are a grandchild. I am a grandchild. Yes, so
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit about. I know, I know
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: there's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: lot of kids that love being around you. Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I've got godchildren and I was at Disneyland with my
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: nieces and nephews yesterday, so that was a lot of fun.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a great joy, great joy.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We're going
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: to take another one of those Facebook questions. This one
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: comes from Robert and Duarte. He says, why did the Herodians, Pharisees,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: and Sadducees of Jesus' day believe that the Christ to
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: come would only be a human being and not divine? Uh, Phil,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: we'll go to that one first one.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, uh, it's a great question. Um, they just, uh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and this would go along for a lot of what
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: was connected to the idea of Messiah. They just
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Didn't see it, and the way that they read it was,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you know, just.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, kind of plain and simple, they just didn't
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: see it. Nobody, nobody connected the dots, and so you,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you take the the apostle Paul, who was a Pharisee.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Who spent, you know, a good chunk of his like
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: adult religious life feeling exactly that same way. And it
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't until Jesus himself, as Paul was on his way,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Saul at the time, was on his way to Damascus
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to persecute Christians, that he met Jesus and um had
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: this interaction with Jesus where he it began his journey
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of understanding.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Who the Messiah really is, and so, frankly, it just
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: comes down to nobody saw it, they didn't want to
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: see that. There's a lot of reasons why the Herodians,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: that is different from the Sadducees, that is different from
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the Pharisees, but if you just want it all encompassing,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: it's because they just didn't see it in the scriptures.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: All right, Brian, did you want to say something? No,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it was great. All right, very good. Uh, another Facebook
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: question is, this comes from, uh, Cathy and Paul. They say,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: what does it mean to say God is not mocked,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, be not deceived. God is not mocked. because
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it seems like God's mocked all the time on TV
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and everywhere. So what does that mean, Brian? Well, like,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a quote from Galatians chapter 6, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: There Paul says, you know, yes, those words do not
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: be deceived. God has not mocked. What a person sows,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: they shall reap. If they sow to the flesh, they'll
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: reap corruption ultimately. If they sow to the spirit, they'll
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: reap life. So I think it's just a warning that
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: mocking God.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Unless it's repented of, does have a consequence. And so
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that God's not mocked in the sense
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that like you just said, lots of people mock God
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: all over the place, but there's a day of recompense
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that's coming for those who mock God and for those
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: who live according to the flesh, um, this is, this
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: is mocking God, living contrary to him.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And the warning is that those who do that will
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: reap corruption. So, so it's kind of, it's kind of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a warning that's pointing to, uh, you know, like sowing,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you have, uh, the sowing is a metaphor, you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of course, it's talking about it's planting seeds. And, um,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you know, when you plant a seed, you don't immediately see.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Any evidence of that. The seed is buried under the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: ground and for all you know, there's not even a
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: seed there. But eventually, that seed is gonna break surface
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: of the ground and and something's gonna sprout up and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh wow, you know, there was something there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So I think Paul uses this language to remind people
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that even though it doesn't seem like there's any consequence
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to living uh contrary to God.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, one day, uh, the crop will be produced, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that will be
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: A judgment day.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Let me see if I can
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: get uh at least a, maybe at least one more
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: uh Facebook question. Uh, this one comes from Rosalba, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: she's in Irvine, and she asks, uh, is it bad
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to write in your Bible, uh, prayers and questions you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: have on what you've read, or prayers or thoughts on what, uh,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: thoughts you've had while reading. I got a new Bible,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and in the previous Bible I had, I wrote a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: lot of prayers in it. So that was question one.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: second question is she also wants to know.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: If you ask for forgiveness toward others and yourself, does
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Jesus lead you to confess your sins to one another
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and ask for forgiveness, or can you also just continue
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to pray privately for people in your life, uh, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: forgive them? What does the Bible say about forgiveness? So, um,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start with the writing your Bible question
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: with Phil. What do you say about that?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I love writing in my Bible. Um, I don't do
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: it as often as I used to. I think my, my,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: my 1st 10 years of being a Christian for sure,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I was, well, my 1st 10 years of being a Christian,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: we didn't have smartphones, so, uh, or tablets, so, uh, gosh,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: there's not, I don't think there's gonna be too many
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: more generations that can say that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Huh, that's pretty, uh, dang, very true. I felt pretty
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: old when I said that, but yeah, um, I absolutely love, uh,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: and I think it's so beautiful when we're, when we're,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: when we're marking up our Bible. My, my first Bible,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I remember, uh, a pastor friend telling me.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I don't know what this means,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and this means, and this means, and this means, and he,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: he told me it was such good advice. He's like,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: put a question mark by everything that you have a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: question about and either come in and bring it and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about it, or, you know, who knows, maybe
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the next time you read that passage, the Lord will
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: give you insight into that. And I can
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I can honestly tell you, man, the next time I
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: was reading through some of the books of the Bible,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, that makes sense now, and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: it didn't make sense the first time. That is such
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a fun thing to have those markers and reminders. I
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: love underlining, I love, you know, I'm looking at the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Bible I have in front of me. I've had this
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: one for a long time.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: And it's not as much marked up in terms of notes.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of room for that in this Bible,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: but you could just, it's just lived in, man. And
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I love having Bibles that have been lived in. And, uh, so, it's,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I love that I got my phone on
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: my Bible and I got all these languages and all
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: these cool tools, but there's just something about a lived-in analog.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Scripture that is amazing and uh I hope we never
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: lose that. So, mark up your Bible, go for it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: All
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: right, very good answer to that question, uh, from Pastor Phil,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the first half of uh Rosalbo's question. The second half was,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: when we ask for forgiveness, Pastor Brian, can we just
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: ask God or should we also go to the other person?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think it depends. I think in some cases
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: you're really not able to do that, you know, they're
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: going to the other person. So, um, obviously, it's sufficient to,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, go to God with that. Um, in some situations,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you are able to do it and it probably would
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: be the thing to do, you know, because you've, you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: you've actually sinned against a person very specifically perhaps and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Um, so it's time for you to take the responsibility
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: to go and say, you know, I'm, I'm sorry that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I that I did that. Please forgive me. Um, but
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like I said, that it's not always possible to do that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: So I think that there are occasions where maybe the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Lord would put it on somebody's heart that, um, yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: you need to go, you know, follow up on that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And so you should if if God puts that on
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: your heart.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, in the end, David says this interesting
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: thing in, in one of his prayers in Psalm, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: think it's Psalm 32, uh, against you and you only
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I have sinned.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And or maybe it's Psalm 51. Uh, but, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: in the end, a sin is ultimately against God because God,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of course, is the one who set the standard. So
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: when we break the standard, even though we're sinning against
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: a person, beyond that, we're sinning against God who said,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: don't do this to a person. Um, so we need
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to get forgiveness from him. But like I said, sometimes
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: you need to go to the person as well.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: All right, great answers. Ros Alba, thanks for contacting us
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: on Facebook.com/pastor's perspective. We're going to go back to the
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: phones at 888-564-6173 and talk to Dan listening on 107.9. Dan,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Hello, hello. Uh, my, my question for today is a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: bit of a brain teaser. Uh, what do you take
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: with you to heaven from earth?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: And it's not your spirit or your soul, because you
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: are those things. So do we take our spirit or
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: our soul to heaven? Um, Phil, we'll start with you.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I feel
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like Dan, you already got the answer you're
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: thinking of.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Do
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: you? Uh,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: let me bring Dan back. Dan, Dan, did you hear that? Yes.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: So I'd like to hear your thoughts on that too.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like whatever I say will be wrong, so
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for it. I had a professor like this,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and um, yeah, so, all right, what do I take
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: with me to heaven? Um, I mean, I take my
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: relationship with Jesus with me to heaven, um, where your
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: treasures are, your heart is, so I'm gonna take my
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: relationship with Jesus is what I'm taking with me to heaven.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: How's that?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Dan, you're a gold star.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Now, I never got a gold star with one of
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: my teachers, by the way, so I'm gonna really take this.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yay.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Dan, just out of curiosity, why did you ask that question?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Why did you ask that question?
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: It's just one of the things I learned recently, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it's like I thought that'd be a very good question
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to ask in today's times because some people forget what
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to value in this life in this age.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, very true, very true. Yes, I guess I've been
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: told that all we're going to bring to heaven is
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: when we get to, when we die and we go
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: to heaven, God's just gonna ask, Did you accept my
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: son as your savior? And the other question is, who'd
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you bring with you, right? That's the only question we're
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: going to get asked when we get up there. Yeah, I,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know about the second part, but
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the first part for sure.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: You know, because you might not have brought anybody with you,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: but that's not the basis for whether or not you
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  Speaker 1: get into heaven, right? I mean, if you ask Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: the prophet, how many people did you bring with you,
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  Speaker 1: he might say, yeah, nobody wanted to come.
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  Speaker 1: Very true, very true. Let me see if I can
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  Speaker 1: uh squeeze one more Facebook question in. Uh, this one
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  Speaker 1: comes from India, and she says, I have a relative
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  Speaker 1: that I believe is in the witchcraft. I have forgiven
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  Speaker 1: them for what I believe they did to me on
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  Speaker 1: my end of things, and I've given them to Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: but in my heart, the question is, if a certain
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  Speaker 1: person chose not to forgive me for offenses they are
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  Speaker 1: still not over, will I still make it to?
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  Speaker 1: If they are still holding grudges, because I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: safe contacting them right now. If I really believe they
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  Speaker 1: have forgiven me from their heart, uh, I would be
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  Speaker 1: glad to reunite. But as of now, without any info,
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  Speaker 1: I'm left hanging. What should I do? Uh, Pastor Brian,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say to India? Um, you know, Paul
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  Speaker 1: in writing to the church in Rome, he said, as
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  Speaker 1: much as it depends on you, live peaceably with everyone.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, you do your part and then that's
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  Speaker 1: all you can do. You can't do anymore. And if
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  Speaker 1: you are out of contact with a person, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you're obligated to go, you know, track them down
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  Speaker 1: or any of that. So I, I would say just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about it. If the situation arises
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  Speaker 1: where you can address it, great. If it doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: Just keep, keep following the Lord and their grudge toward
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  Speaker 1: her won't keep her out of heaven, right? No, of
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  Speaker 1: course not. I mean, you know, that's their issue, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we
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  Speaker 1: We can't control.
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  Speaker 1: Those kinds of things, obviously. So yeah, yes, and she
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that they were into witchcraft and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bad things, and I imagine unimaginable things, but um she
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  Speaker 1: does need to forgive them for all that they've done
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  Speaker 1: to her no matter what it is, right? Well, she
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  Speaker 1: just needs to, you know, in some cases, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it might be very bad stuff, she just needs to
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  Speaker 1: keep going back to, to Jesus and saying, Lord, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know the situation, help me with it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you can.
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  Speaker 1: You can feel like you've forgiven people and then other
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  Speaker 1: times you actually have, but you don't feel like you have.
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  Speaker 1: So when you don't feel like you have, you just
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  Speaker 1: need to remind yourself like, OK, yeah, I already walked
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  Speaker 1: through this with the Lord, or sometimes you kind of
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  Speaker 1: pick it back up again and you've got to say,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, OK, Lord, I'm gonna give this back to you again,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hm, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can't control what
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  Speaker 1: other people do, but we can forgive them and set
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  Speaker 1: ourselves free, at least from that. Set ourselves free, exactly, yeah. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, that's all the time we have for
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  Speaker 1: today on Pastor's Perspective. I'm Michael David in for Brian Perez, uh,
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  Speaker 1: for Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger. Thank you for joining
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  Speaker 1: us and join us again next time on Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Good night.