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Alex Jones at Bohemian Grove · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 1: dary podcast, with your hosts.
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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Speaker 1: Who are you?
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Speaker 3: I'm Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking quieter than usual because we are infiltrating Bohemian
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Speaker 1: Grove today.
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Speaker 3: Oh right, of course, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Except just by way of an Alex Jones documentary about
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Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove. Olivia, how's it going?
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Speaker 3: It's going, okay, it's going okay.
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Speaker 1: Today's episode was your idea? Explain yourself. It was, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but fascinating but no, on.
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Speaker 3: It is fascinating. There's a lot here.
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Speaker 1: It's not fascinating for the reasons Alex Jones wants it
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Speaker 1: to be fascinating. But I found that this exists to
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Speaker 1: be very fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, well so okay, So honestly, like being honest,
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Speaker 3: I literally just googled. I didn't know that this existed.
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Speaker 3: I vaguely knew that Alex Jones had once broken into
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Speaker 3: bringing me in Grove and it like film stuff, but
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that this documentary existed. But I wanted
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Speaker 3: to talk about Boemian Grove, and so I googled Bohemian
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Speaker 3: Grove documentary and this pot it's not a great story,
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Speaker 3: but I just thought it was funny that, like I
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Speaker 3: didn't I kind of was hoping that there would be
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Speaker 3: like a documentary from like someone who I guess wasn't
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Speaker 3: Alex Jones. Yeah about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I find Bohemian Grove to be fascinating. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I find this documentary fascinating for different reasons, right,
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Speaker 1: Like it starts to get into the history of Bohemian Grove,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want this from Alex Jones,
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Speaker 1: Like I can know I can find the history of
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Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove on my own. Yeah, I want to see
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Speaker 1: all the other stuff.
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Speaker 3: Like Wikipedia didn't exist when this was made. But it
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Speaker 3: sounds like maybe the person who wrote the Wikipedia submarine
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Speaker 3: for Bohemian Grove just transcribed this, because that's just what
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Speaker 3: it is. It's just a lot of roat facts and
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Speaker 3: it's a very weird artifact I would say, like just
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Speaker 3: a very strange saying and like I this might be
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Speaker 3: fucked up, but I actually it made Bohemian Grove seem
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Speaker 3: less creepy to me, agreed, which is made I did
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Speaker 3: not think was gonna be. I did not expect that
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Speaker 3: to be the outcome.
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Speaker 1: It made Bohemian Grove seem like a very exclusive music festival.
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Speaker 3: Yes yeah, or just like a shitty summer camp for
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Speaker 3: rich people.
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Speaker 1: And what I like about it one Alex Jones, by
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Speaker 1: the year two thousand, I think was capable of producing
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Speaker 1: better quality footage than this. I think maybe Alex Jones,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not joking, was trying to kind of make
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Speaker 1: another Blair Witch Project, because this is one year removed
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Speaker 1: from the Blair Witch Project, and everything about the way
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Speaker 1: it's executed speaks to the Blair Witch Project, from the
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Speaker 1: fact that a lot of the footage is just him
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Speaker 1: sitting in a hotel room talking to his crew and
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Speaker 1: like it all feels very found footage, horror movie like,
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Speaker 1: but also with a side dish of American propaganda, where
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Speaker 1: every once in a while, for reasons that still make
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Speaker 1: no sense, he'll jump in and.
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Speaker 2: Go in the International Criminal Court.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, no one cares about that except the
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Speaker 1: Bush administration that is about to commit a bunch of
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Speaker 1: war crimes in the Middle East like this, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, which doesn't exist yet the Bush administration.
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Speaker 1: Technically they come up no I know, oh, I know
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Speaker 1: they got up.
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Speaker 3: We give into it.
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Speaker 1: Even the way they come up feel suspicious to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say it's interesting. Well, it's interesting because
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Speaker 3: I watched the documentary that we see being made that
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Speaker 3: is basically the reason that this documentary got made, which
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Speaker 3: was made for the Channel four by the journalist John Ronson,
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Speaker 3: And it does offer some interesting insights as far as
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Speaker 3: background details and technical things that Alex leaves out of
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Speaker 3: his documentary. And I mean, look, it is still two
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Speaker 3: thousand and two thousand is basically the nineties. Yeah, and
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Speaker 3: like home video equipment was very expensive and not very good,
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Speaker 3: and so even like the really good stuff, like they
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Speaker 3: show that they bought like a mini DV camera, you know,
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Speaker 3: but like again we're talking about a little squat thing.
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Speaker 1: Alex was in a Scanner Darkly by this point.
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Speaker 3: I know, no scanner Darkly is two thousand and six, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but I.
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Speaker 1: Know he had been like like info Wars was a
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Speaker 1: thing by this point.
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Speaker 3: More, but it was more of a regional Like he's
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Speaker 3: much more of a regional figure at this point, Like
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Speaker 3: people know him nationwide because the Internet is starting to
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Speaker 3: become a thing, and so you know, that's how these
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories kind of cohere nationwide. But like, he's still
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Speaker 3: very much this is nation he hasn't like like because
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Speaker 3: we both agree that he is absolutely a at least
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Speaker 3: inadvertent if not purposeful, government plant, absolutely who is fed
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Speaker 3: information in order to make it seem ridiculous basically. But
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Speaker 3: I get the vibe that this is pre selling out,
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Like this is real early Alex
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Speaker 3: Jones still as in the year two thousand, which is
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Speaker 3: kind of crazy. I'm just suspicious.
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Speaker 1: One of the things he tries to tie Bohemian Grove too,
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Speaker 1: the way he focuses on the International Criminal Court really
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Speaker 1: ruffles my feathers because.
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Speaker 3: He definitely Yeah, but that's also part of that globalist
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Speaker 3: thing from pre nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: It is, but it's such a specific thing to worry about,
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Speaker 1: because who would worry about that more than the American
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Speaker 1: government going into.
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Speaker 3: I don't disagree.
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Speaker 1: And also the access he gets to Bohemian Grove, this
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like an infiltration, it feels like an invitation.
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Speaker 3: Well yes, but also that's the part that the British
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Speaker 3: doc actually gets into a lot more than the Alex
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Speaker 3: Jones when, which is weird because so much of the
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Speaker 3: Alex Jones documentary that we're talking about today is like
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Speaker 3: the first hour of it is just a road trip.
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Speaker 1: This Cops is twenty five minutes long.
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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, absolutely, he could have just got to
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Speaker 3: the point. And you know what, this British documentary that
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Speaker 3: I'll reference a few more times, it's like forty eight
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Speaker 3: minutes long. It's a very short it's a very short thing.
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Speaker 3: But it is interesting, Like we see him meet with
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Speaker 3: his source because apparently he has and he doesn't he
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Speaker 3: doesn't mention this at all in his documentary. It's weird
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Speaker 3: that he's got this weird source who's a lawyer named Rick,
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Speaker 3: who he knows has infiltrated Bohemian Grove in the past
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Speaker 3: and is going to like give them tips on how
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Speaker 3: to like get in, and they have this whole like
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Speaker 3: covert meaning where they talk about disguises and shit. And
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Speaker 3: I'm just shocked that Alex just didn't include it in
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Speaker 3: his version of the documentary because Rick is probably Cia
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Speaker 3: might be he might be and like that's what I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: Like it I think that Alex is still at least
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Speaker 3: at this point, fully believes everything that he is saying
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Speaker 3: about this. Oh, like that is just the overwhelming vibe
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Speaker 3: you get and it's just yeah, this lawyer Rick guy,
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Speaker 3: he like tells them how to dress like the vibe
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Speaker 3: that you get and we, like you mentioned is that
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Speaker 3: it's a super exclusive music festival dinner party, like summer
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Speaker 3: camp all rolled into one. And when you're super rich
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Speaker 3: and you're wanting to like relax, your security is going
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Speaker 3: to be very relaxed. And I feel like it probably
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Speaker 3: isn't if you look like you fit in. As long
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Speaker 3: as you make it past like a security checkpoint, I
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Speaker 3: feel like it might be pretty easy to get in.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into the documentary.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, yeah, we're we're we're talking all around it.
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Speaker 1: All of this happens around July fifteenth, two thousand, That
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Speaker 1: is when the gathering at Bohemian Grove of the Bohemian
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Speaker 1: Club happens, the one in particular that Alex Jones infiltrates.
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Speaker 1: He goes into a bunch of history about Bohemian Grove
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Speaker 1: and he talks about how it was founded by like
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Speaker 1: intellectuals who wanted an escape from like Judeo Christian norms
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Speaker 1: in things, man, And something about him just saying that
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Speaker 1: made it seem a little less like, don't get me wrong,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's sketchy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but again it feels.
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Speaker 1: Like Coachella sketchy. Like it feels like this is just
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Speaker 1: a place the very richest people go to, you know,
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Speaker 1: do some debauchery, like this is the purge basically, yes.
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Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely and like the thing is, the
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Speaker 3: thing that is scary about Bohemian Grove is that it's
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Speaker 3: all of these powerful people from all sides of the
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Speaker 3: political spectrum and economic strata coming together and hanging out
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Speaker 3: and like being all friendly and making deals with each
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Speaker 3: other and going into back rooms of back rooms and
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Speaker 3: shit like that, and not that they are also like
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Speaker 3: sacrificing people to Moloch or whatever or committing some piger
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Speaker 3: I don't give a shit. That's the thing. Like Alex
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Speaker 3: Jones believes in God, like he's a Christian and he
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Speaker 3: believes the devil and shit, and so he is just
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Speaker 3: terrified of that as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he believes in I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that Alex Jones genuinely believes anything.
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Speaker 3: Like well, no, I think Alex.
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Speaker 1: Jones is one hundred percent government. I don't think there
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Speaker 1: is a genuine fiber in his being. Like, I honestly
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Speaker 1: would not be surprised if he is Bill Hicks. Like
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Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the death of Bill Hicks and the
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Speaker 1: rise of Alex Jones are very fucking weird. Like I
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Speaker 1: feel like Alex Jones has a fucking job to do,
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Speaker 1: and sure I think he's doing it in this documentary.
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Speaker 1: Like I don't think for a second that Alex Jones
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Speaker 1: mistrusts the government. Alex Jones is the government. He is
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent the government, and he wouldn't be in
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Speaker 1: the position to show us the footage he shows us
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Speaker 1: in this documentary if he was not at least somewhat
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Speaker 1: connected to the government. This is like, think about what
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Speaker 1: he's attending. This is a gathering of all of the
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Speaker 1: biggest world leaders, right, And he shows up days in
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Speaker 1: advance and is interviewing locals and.
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Speaker 2: Is like, I'm a fucking enful try to eating babies
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Speaker 2: in there.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, where is the scene of the Feds
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Speaker 1: kicking in his hotel room and black bagging this motherfucker
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Speaker 1: that just happened to an ABC News producer under the
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Speaker 1: Biden administration.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like Alex Jones, but that the news producer was
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Speaker 3: looking into real stuff.
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Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly. Alex Jones isn't looking into real stuff here.
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Speaker 1: Alex Jones is trying to let people know globalists and
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Speaker 1: their international criminal courts that will eventually want to take
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Speaker 1: down the Bush administration for war crimes are.
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Speaker 2: A real problem.
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Speaker 1: And it's like no one's fucking worried about the international
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Speaker 1: criminal court. It's like this is so this feels like
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Speaker 1: the government saw the Blair witch project and was like,
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Speaker 1: let's do that to at least partially sell what we're
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Speaker 1: about to do in the Middle East. And I know
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Speaker 1: Bush wasn't elected yet, but wasn't he wasn't he This
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Speaker 1: is a conspiracy podcast.
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Speaker 3: We are just right in those fucking pre nine to
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Speaker 3: eleven vibes talking about this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This is just this is all the government
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Speaker 1: way too much.
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Speaker 3: Still, Yeah, we we've gotten into this before a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But like, I don't think that he I think that
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Speaker 3: he believes in like as much as he is like
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Speaker 3: clearly a bad person, and like doesn't like believe in
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Speaker 3: the way that like you or I or the people
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Speaker 3: at home like believe in things. But like, I think
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Speaker 3: he thinks some of this shit's real, and I think
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Speaker 3: he might be more unwitting at least at especially at
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Speaker 3: this point that we're talking about in two thousand.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know, I will accept that he thinks
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Speaker 1: some of this stuff as real. Yeah, but I one
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Speaker 1: hundred in my heart of hearts think it's because someone
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Speaker 1: from the government came to him and was like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, Yeah, you're saying it's all it's all real,
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Speaker 1: So how about you come work with us to stop it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I think that's probably at least true,
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Speaker 3: if not about this specific thing, that about a lot
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Speaker 3: of stuff that he has talked about. But also I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of those people also believe in that shit.
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Speaker 3: Like I think this kind of goes a little bit further,
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Speaker 3: and like it's not in this but it's in the
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Speaker 3: British documentary. You see him before the documentary takes place
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Speaker 3: immediately before and he's like a local celebrity in Austin,
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Speaker 3: an underground type celebrity guy who people just know, and
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Speaker 3: he goes to a church and like gives a speech
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Speaker 3: about globalism and shit and the documentary cruise in the
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Speaker 3: back and you see soldiers in like uniform like clapping
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Speaker 3: about out we're going to take the shit back from
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Speaker 3: them and like, you know, we're not gonna let that,
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Speaker 3: let them destroy what we love and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 3: And like, I bet that those like you know, there's
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Speaker 3: a there's a route for information to get to him
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Speaker 3: right there, like because he has very devoted fans who
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Speaker 3: will bring him whatever and he's gonna believe it because
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Speaker 3: they're from the military. I don't know, he's a fucking
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Speaker 3: crazy figure, but I there's just so many off, out
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Speaker 3: of character moments scattered throughout all this where I just
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Speaker 3: feel like he believes this shit. At least this shit,
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Speaker 3: I feel like he believed it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he does engage in some classic Alex Jones misdirection.
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Speaker 1: Is it misinformation? I don't know. He brings up David Gergan,
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Speaker 1: who was a member of the Clinton administration, and he
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Speaker 1: talks about how David Gergan joined the Clinton administration and
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Speaker 1: decided to quit all of these groups he was a
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Speaker 1: part of. And he shows you this newspaper article and
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Speaker 1: he like underlines a line that makes it seem like
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Speaker 1: David Gergan was saying, I'm not going to run around naked,
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Speaker 1: And if you look into it, David Gergan quit the
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Speaker 1: Bohemian Club because it was a group that discriminated based
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Speaker 1: on sex, right, and it was a bad look for
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Speaker 1: someone in the Clinton administration to be a member of
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Speaker 1: a group that didn't allow women. Sure, and Alex Jones
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Speaker 1: is painting it like, oh, well, this guy was so
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Speaker 1: fucking weirded out by all the things he saw inside
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Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove. Like David Gergan at first was like, I'm
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Speaker 1: not gonna quit, Like why would I quit the Bohemian Club?
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Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Men? Pressure mounted and people were like,
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Speaker 1: you gotta quit. The same thing happened to Vince Foster
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Speaker 1: before he joined the Clinton body count.
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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, he was.
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Speaker 1: A member of some country club that didn't allow women,
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Speaker 1: and at first he was like, no, but it's rad
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Speaker 1: and I like being there, so I'm just gonna stay there.
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Speaker 1: And eventually people are like, no, you have to quit,
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Speaker 1: and he did. But Alex Jones is painting this like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this guy was so sketched out by what he saw
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Speaker 1: inside there, he had to quit. Nope. Not what happened
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Speaker 1: at all, and if you're in Alex Jones truther, you
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Speaker 1: ought to ask yourself why he's being that dishonest about
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Speaker 1: that detail, because it's really the only like outsider criticism
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Speaker 1: that is involved in that, Like there's not he interviews
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Speaker 1: some locals, but there's no like other government people who've
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Speaker 1: been there who are like, man, I'm not gonna fucking
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Speaker 1: believe this. Yeah, and it's like why, like why is
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Speaker 1: he lying about it? Like, if you trust Alex Jones,
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Speaker 1: you should ask yourself why he's lying about that seemingly
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Speaker 1: minor detail.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, don't trust Alex Jones.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also don't trust Alex Jones.
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Speaker 3: It's Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right up there with trust in the government.
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Speaker 1: I can't stress that enough.
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Speaker 3: I did think for most of this that he the
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Speaker 3: woman who was filming him was his now ex wife,
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Speaker 3: but apparently know it's a girlfriend from earlier, but thought
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Speaker 3: that was interesting. She was a girlfriend though, yeah, girlfriend
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Speaker 3: at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I didn't know if she was just like
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Speaker 1: working for info Wars. No, I mean yes, but well
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Speaker 1: yeah obviously, but yeah, yeah, I didn't know they were dating.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some interesting interviews with her. She a lot
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Speaker 3: of talk in the behind the scenes about guns, like
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Speaker 3: they keep saying, Man, I wish we could have guns here.
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Speaker 1: I mistrust so much about this. I hate yeah, I
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Speaker 1: hate the way the camera shakes like the blair Witch projects, Like, well,
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Speaker 1: this is what I.
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Speaker 3: Was talking about, like the behind like the camera is
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Speaker 3: and he mentions it briefly in this, but you don't
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Speaker 3: really get a look at it. The camera is this
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Speaker 3: little shitty thing that goes in like a fake pager.
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Speaker 1: What Alex Jones made this as a horror movie, and
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Speaker 1: the government saw it and was like no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we can use yes, we can use it.
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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, that might be it, like yeah, and then
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Speaker 3: they made this does have a very similar climax to
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Speaker 3: the Last exorsis, Yeah, the Last Exorcism very similar, ending
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Speaker 3: with a lot of fire and people dancing around. It
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Speaker 3: had a lot of found footage vibes. He might have
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Speaker 3: been going for Blair Witch, but it also did seem
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Speaker 3: like they were using like really shitty cameras and almost
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Speaker 3: comedically trying to keep their shit hidden.
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Speaker 1: It's just really weird. We talked about it a little
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Speaker 1: bit already, but there's a whole part of the documentary
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Speaker 1: that's just like road trip footage. Yes, and it's the
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Speaker 1: kind of thing like I would watch this from Nirvana
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, like I would watch I would watch
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Speaker 1: a road documentary about Stone Temple pilots. Right, I don't
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Speaker 1: give a shit about Alex Jones getting to Bohemian Grove,
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Speaker 1: but he seems to think I really, really, really give
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Speaker 1: a shit. And this is the part where it also
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Speaker 1: really felt blair Witch Project eat to me, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's the whole prolog. Although the prologue in
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Speaker 3: blair Witch is like fifteen minutes, it's very short.
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Speaker 1: But also there were scenes in blair Witch Project that
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Speaker 1: are so similar to this where it's like, oh, sure,
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Speaker 1: oh you know this is just like off the cuff
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Speaker 1: banter and we're just talking in a motel room and
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Speaker 1: like can you believe you you found this footage and
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Speaker 1: then it's gonna build up to this amazing thing. And
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Speaker 1: it's like with blair Witch it worked, and with this
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Speaker 1: it doesn't, like.
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Speaker 3: Well, sure it's a good movie, when also it's fake.
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Speaker 1: It's fake. Yeah. But also if you remember how blair
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Speaker 1: Witch was sold, I do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: Sold as if it wasn't fake, like they right, there was.
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Speaker 3: Like a minute where people were like, oh, is it real?
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Speaker 1: And that's a thing that carried on with found footage movies.
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Speaker 1: My favorite Apollo, Yeah, is it Apollo nineteen or Apollo eighteen?
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Speaker 3: It's Apollo eighteen, and show some damn respect for the
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Speaker 3: fallen astronauts of Apollo eighteen who.
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Speaker 1: Died by way of rock spiders Moon Rock Spiders.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, moon rocks, which are spiders. We all know
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Speaker 3: this historical record.
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Speaker 1: If you look into the promotion behind that movie, they
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Speaker 1: were still are they.
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Speaker 3: Did they do an RG for that? Well that they were.
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Speaker 1: There were people who were like, no, this is found
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Speaker 1: footage baby, and it's like there are actors on IMDb,
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Speaker 1: like we know.
21:41
Speaker 3: The CGI in it. It's the rocks Moonrock Spiders.
21:45
Speaker 1: No, but that was absolutely stage of Moon Rock Spiders.
21:48
Speaker 3: That movie came out in like twenty thirteen. They think
21:51
Speaker 3: people are still buying the found footage thing. I didn't
21:54
Speaker 3: know about that. It was a little.
21:56
Speaker 1: Earlier than that. It was. It was earlier than that
21:58
Speaker 1: I saw it. It was South Dakota. Yeah, I lived
22:01
Speaker 1: in South Dakota when I saw it, so and I
22:03
Speaker 1: moved to LA in twenty eleven.
22:05
Speaker 3: So huh, I thought I thought that was like a
22:08
Speaker 3: twenty tens classic. Uh, twenty oh eleven, twenty eleven.
22:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. There you go right near two
22:16
Speaker 1: years off tail end of my time in South Dakota.
22:18
Speaker 3: But like Cloverfield had come out already, we've had the
22:23
Speaker 3: big we found footage by now. Yeah, but this is
22:28
Speaker 3: this was two thousand.
22:29
Speaker 1: This is just a year removed from the Blair Witch project. Sure,
22:33
Speaker 1: and I've but also much of like the camera work,
22:37
Speaker 1: like it's so reminiscent of that movie.
22:41
Speaker 3: I had to have been on their minds. Like there's
22:44
Speaker 3: no way that it was. And I'm sure that it
22:46
Speaker 3: was an influence. But also like even if they did
22:49
Speaker 3: kind of use that to sell, Like I don't know
22:51
Speaker 3: how well this sold. I don't know how widely widely
22:55
Speaker 3: spread this was. Like I just kind of stumbled upon it,
22:57
Speaker 3: and like I tried to log it on letterbox, and
23:00
Speaker 3: it's not on letter box, so and like everything is
23:07
Speaker 3: on letter but there are some TV shows on letterbox.
23:10
Speaker 1: You can be the pilgrims of Dark Sea. Gass, did
23:15
Speaker 1: you say dark Secrets?
23:17
Speaker 3: I was wondering I did. I looked at I looked
23:19
Speaker 3: and I found and I looked what I did was
23:21
Speaker 3: I looked up Scanner Darkly because I couldn't find it
23:24
Speaker 3: by searching for Dark Secrets. So I looked up a
23:26
Speaker 3: Scanner Darkly and found Alex Jones in the cast. And
23:30
Speaker 3: I went to his like page and like tried to
23:33
Speaker 3: find it in his credits, and it wasn't there. He
23:36
Speaker 3: doesn't have many credits.
23:37
Speaker 1: Go figure, Yeah, I know. And so this documentary is
23:41
Speaker 1: all building up to showing us something called the Cremation
23:45
Speaker 1: of Care ceremony. Alex Jones keeps bringing it up, and like,
23:50
Speaker 1: at least that part I appreciate. That is something I
23:54
Speaker 1: would expect I'd never see.
23:56
Speaker 3: And the festival itself, like the the.
23:59
Speaker 1: Like it's essentially easily the opening night ceremony of the
24:05
Speaker 1: Illuminatis Fuck Olympics.
24:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very Eyes Wide Shut, which also was a
24:10
Speaker 3: recent film.
24:13
Speaker 1: It's the thing people always talk about when it comes
24:16
Speaker 1: to Bohemian Grove.
24:17
Speaker 2: Is all they worship, this giant owl.
24:20
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the documentary for at least doing that,
24:24
Speaker 1: for letting me see video of that entire thing.
24:30
Speaker 3: It is inherently important. I am glad that he did this,
24:35
Speaker 3: Like it's the only positive thing that Alex Jones has
24:38
Speaker 3: ever done.
24:39
Speaker 1: Probably it might be yeah, like that, this is probably
24:46
Speaker 1: his greatest accomplishment.
24:49
Speaker 3: Being what other competition is that there's so little anti
24:53
Speaker 3: semitism in this. I mean it's there, there's just not
24:56
Speaker 3: as much as you would do.
24:57
Speaker 1: But it really got to dig for it. You gotta
24:59
Speaker 1: be a anti semitism fanboy to spot it all. You know.
25:04
Speaker 3: It's packed way more into the BBC the Channel four
25:08
Speaker 3: documentary because it's like a shorter day. Sure, so it's
25:11
Speaker 3: all it's concentrated. But no that that footage is good.
25:14
Speaker 3: And I enjoyed the random man on the street stuff.
25:18
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty funny. There was some good
25:22
Speaker 3: he got some good like NorCal hippie types, which was
25:26
Speaker 3: pretty fun. They would do a dispensary.
25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's he does a bunch of men on the
25:31
Speaker 1: street stuff, and he's in classic Bill Hicks form. He's
25:35
Speaker 1: cracking I mean Alex Jones form. He's cracking jokes. But
25:40
Speaker 1: also I don't know what he's expecting. This is where
25:44
Speaker 1: all of the world's elites go to gather once a
25:48
Speaker 1: year to let out all of their most carnal desires. Yeah,
25:53
Speaker 1: and he's just asking random town folk about what happens there.
25:58
Speaker 1: That's like going to the Aple center and asking a
26:01
Speaker 1: concession worker who the Lakers are starting tonight. They don't
26:07
Speaker 1: know that. Why would they know? They have? It doesn't
26:10
Speaker 1: matter that they're in the same building, might be in
26:13
Speaker 1: different worlds.
26:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of times he talks to people who
26:17
Speaker 3: used to work there, and he's he acts surprised that
26:21
Speaker 3: they don't want to talk about it, Like I wouldn't
26:24
Speaker 3: fucking talk about it. Are you kidding me? If I
26:26
Speaker 3: fucking worked at the crazy super rich sex resort like
26:32
Speaker 3: in the middle of the goddamn woods where I see
26:35
Speaker 3: like old men walking around naked a whole time. Like,
26:38
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna fucking talk about that shit. I know
26:40
Speaker 3: they'll fucking murder me. I'm nobody.
26:43
Speaker 1: Not just that, but people talk about how big of
26:46
Speaker 1: an employer Bohemia is. Yes, so that guy probably just
26:50
Speaker 1: wants to keep his options of maybe working there during
26:54
Speaker 1: their next bacchanalia or whatever. The fuck.
26:57
Speaker 3: I'm sure you gotta keep your mouth shut. Yeah, I mean, like,
26:59
Speaker 3: I don't like it. I don't like this gathering, but
27:02
Speaker 3: I know how the world works, and so I understand
27:06
Speaker 3: that it's going to be kind of exclusive and secretive,
27:09
Speaker 3: and he.
27:10
Speaker 1: Keeps talking about the cremation of care, and he makes
27:13
Speaker 1: it seem like this really dark and almost satanic thing.
27:20
Speaker 1: And I won't deny that if you dig into the
27:24
Speaker 1: roots of it, it's not like the best, but like
27:27
Speaker 1: if you dig into the roots of Halloween, it's like
27:30
Speaker 1: kind of satanic. My problem is he keeps pointing at
27:33
Speaker 1: all this symbology and he's like, well, there's.
27:36
Speaker 2: A dead body on the program.
27:39
Speaker 1: He's like, I've been to oz Fest, Like there's some things.
27:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a program.
27:46
Speaker 3: How many fucking satanic rituals you know of? Remember the
27:50
Speaker 3: ending of Rosemary's Baby where they got her a playbill.
27:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a program for this event.
27:58
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, there's like people there.
28:00
Speaker 1: It really seems like this worshiping of the owl thing
28:04
Speaker 1: that everyone makes such a big deal out of is
28:08
Speaker 1: just this kind of dorky thing where every year some
28:12
Speaker 1: poor loser is in charge of putting on the burning
28:16
Speaker 1: of the Owl ceremony and everyone just fucks sex workers
28:21
Speaker 1: for two weeks and goes yes, and then goes back
28:24
Speaker 1: thinking about how to ruin the world. Like it seems
28:28
Speaker 1: like Opening Night. Shit, it seems like music festival.
28:32
Speaker 3: Shit, absolutely, it's it is so dorky. Once we actually
28:37
Speaker 3: get to the get to the thing itself, it's so dorky.
28:40
Speaker 1: There's a scene in the documentary when the owl finally
28:44
Speaker 1: bursts into flames. You can hear someone go, well, that's
28:46
Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, it's like a owl fucking how all this?
28:51
Speaker 1: If there's a guy in the back like, oh my god,
28:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that at Fourth of July next year,
28:55
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
28:56
Speaker 3: Well, she's watching it in a proud across the lake
29:02
Speaker 3: with a bunch of people. It's a Mormon's robes. Yeah,
29:08
Speaker 3: who are just you know, like the guy that they
29:10
Speaker 3: see who tries to tell him how to get in,
29:12
Speaker 3: like lawyer Rick is like, yeah, dress preppy and no
29:16
Speaker 3: one will really notice you. The mood is not young.
29:19
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not a young it's like, yeah,
29:23
Speaker 3: probably not liked.
29:26
Speaker 1: And this is clearly an event where people who make
29:31
Speaker 1: the highest level decisions in the world are supposed to
29:36
Speaker 1: come to like let loose. I don't doubt that it
29:40
Speaker 1: takes a pretty visually stunning ritual to get that into
29:44
Speaker 1: their heads. Yeah, but otherwise they're gonna be on their
29:48
Speaker 1: fucking BlackBerry it's two thousand, Like, of course they're gonna
29:52
Speaker 1: still be making deals and shit, but you gotta burn
29:56
Speaker 1: an owl to get these motherfuckers out of their shell
30:00
Speaker 1: so they can decide what governments to topple in the
30:03
Speaker 1: next twelve months.
30:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like Alex and his like buddy Mike, who
30:07
Speaker 3: are the two guys who actually go into the growth.
30:11
Speaker 3: They keep calling everything satanic, and they like keep saying
30:15
Speaker 3: that everything is a reference to like the Devil and
30:19
Speaker 3: some shit. But we're talking about a place where all
30:23
Speaker 3: of the biggest Christo fascists through how American history have
30:28
Speaker 3: come to hang out. It is very clearly a Christian play,
30:33
Speaker 3: but like it's old timey, and like Alex Jones and
30:36
Speaker 3: like his buddy are like evangelists, so they don't recognize
30:39
Speaker 3: the old timey Protestant Christianity.
30:42
Speaker 1: And he keeps talking about all the satanic stuff. And
30:46
Speaker 1: then at one point he shows a skull that's on
30:49
Speaker 1: a sign over like an entrance into the forest, and he's.
30:52
Speaker 2: Like, this is the only skull we found.
30:55
Speaker 3: He's like, all right, well, skeat, like, well this place,
30:58
Speaker 3: I think he saw others, but he didn't get video.
31:01
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Oh yeah, that's a that's a thing. We
31:04
Speaker 1: get a lot where he's like, here's here's video of
31:07
Speaker 1: where people take sun tans. But also, yeah, there was
31:10
Speaker 1: a bank of television screens of wires going into the book.
31:13
Speaker 3: He in the in the in the British thing, he
31:17
Speaker 3: mentions two old guys walking around naked who are like, hey,
31:21
Speaker 3: why don't we pee here? And then they just pee
31:24
Speaker 3: right where they're standing. Like that's the kind of braved
31:27
Speaker 3: activities that he can think of that he saw that
31:30
Speaker 3: didn't he didn't capture. But I'm like, yeah, that's gross.
31:34
Speaker 1: Someone ship on the side of the building where I'm
31:37
Speaker 1: recording this podcast right now.
31:39
Speaker 3: Yep, I've watched I watched a person take a ship
31:43
Speaker 3: on the sidewalk in front of me.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah. Once, it's crazy to think about how both of
31:48
Speaker 1: those people were in the Illuminati.
31:51
Speaker 3: Nuts, absolutely nuts. Yeah, I'm just like, I guess that's
31:56
Speaker 3: I mean, that's gross. But again, it's creepier than it
31:59
Speaker 3: might be. Henry Kissinger's it's weird.
32:03
Speaker 1: That part's weird. That's part yeah you mentioned already. He
32:08
Speaker 1: breaks this documentary into sections. One of them is called
32:11
Speaker 1: the Red Coats, and I still have no idea what
32:13
Speaker 1: that section was actually about. But then that is the Brits.
32:16
Speaker 3: That's when he's meeting the British people. That's why they're
32:19
Speaker 3: the red coats because.
32:21
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all, that's all, that's all.
32:23
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it.
32:24
Speaker 1: Wow. Uh. And then that goes into a section called
32:29
Speaker 1: the locals and again yeah, this is this is his
32:33
Speaker 1: man on the street stuff. It's so silly because again,
32:39
Speaker 1: these people live where Bohemian Grove is. I used to
32:42
Speaker 1: live very for for about six months. I lived within
32:47
Speaker 1: pissing distance of the UN, and I cannot tell you
32:51
Speaker 1: thing the first about what goes on inside the UN
32:55
Speaker 1: other than what makes it out to the rest of
32:58
Speaker 1: the world. I have no insider knowledge about the UN
33:02
Speaker 1: despite my close proximity. Neither do these people. Like he
33:06
Speaker 1: finds one guy with dreadlocks who's like, I heard it's
33:09
Speaker 1: rich white dudes with prostitutes, and I'm like, yep, that's
33:13
Speaker 1: probably it.
33:13
Speaker 3: Yes, most people are like, I guess I've heard of that.
33:16
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, and then he has to
33:18
Speaker 3: like probably be like, wouldn't you be mad if you
33:20
Speaker 3: found out that this was happening? And like he like
33:23
Speaker 3: talks to this guy who looks like, oh, you know
33:26
Speaker 3: you probably you were you were probably too old there
33:28
Speaker 3: for watch a Goofy movie, but probably yeah, Goofy's kid
33:33
Speaker 3: has has like a friend named Bobby Zimeruski, and and
33:38
Speaker 3: he looks just like I'm gonna actually, I'm gonna say
33:41
Speaker 3: a picture. He looks just like one of the guys
33:44
Speaker 3: that he that he interviews in this piece. It's funny.
33:47
Speaker 3: I just couldn't stop thinking about it.
33:49
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh oh yeah that guy for guy remember him.
33:54
Speaker 3: Yes, voiced by Polly Short, because yeah.
33:56
Speaker 1: He's got those glasses. I like the guy who looks
34:00
Speaker 1: it's like Jimmy Chamberlain from Smashing Pumpkins, who he's the
34:03
Speaker 1: last guy he interviews, who's like.
34:05
Speaker 3: The last guy.
34:06
Speaker 1: It's satanic. They're building that, like it's like watching someone
34:12
Speaker 1: confess to a crime they didn't commit. Like Alex Jones
34:17
Speaker 1: is just feeding him the details and this guy's feeding
34:20
Speaker 1: him back, and it's like.
34:22
Speaker 3: Watching someone get radicalized, like in real time, like because
34:29
Speaker 3: he is clearly already kind of just a stodgy Christian guy.
34:33
Speaker 3: And then Alex Jones just keeps pushing and be like,
34:36
Speaker 3: well what about this? Don't you think this sucks what
34:38
Speaker 3: about this isn't this fucked up?
34:40
Speaker 1: Like?
34:40
Speaker 3: What about this? Isn't that satanic? And then the guy's finally,
34:43
Speaker 3: I mean like, yeah, that's fucking gross. Fuck that place.
34:47
Speaker 1: You could use one adjective to describe the satanic activity,
34:51
Speaker 1: what would it be? Guys like, uh, satanic? I think, Wow,
34:55
Speaker 1: what amazing? Yeah, it's yeah, it's insane.
34:58
Speaker 3: He's very just eventure this documentary, I will say, oh,
35:02
Speaker 3: except not his Jesse's chiller slightly, especially the.
35:05
Speaker 1: Part at the end where he's like, we're going to
35:07
Speaker 1: confront George Bush. I'm like, I bet you're not. I
35:11
Speaker 1: bet you're not.
35:11
Speaker 3: No, bet no, probably not.
35:13
Speaker 1: So finally we get to D Day, and that is
35:18
Speaker 1: Alex Jones's term for the day he finally infiltrates Bohemian Grove,
35:25
Speaker 1: just like D Day, same historical significance, and so of
35:31
Speaker 1: course it opens with the scene of him shaving, because
35:35
Speaker 1: this is the Blair Witch Project Part two right.
35:38
Speaker 3: Well, and just like the real D Day. Immediately beforehand,
35:43
Speaker 3: a bunch of British people tell the American well, why
35:46
Speaker 3: don't you go on ahead and we'll like film you.
35:52
Speaker 1: I also, this was the part where I had that
35:56
Speaker 1: thought like Okay, if this was really Alex jo Owes
36:00
Speaker 1: infiltrating Bohemian Grove. This is the part in the movie
36:05
Speaker 1: where the Feds kicked the hotel door in, right, because
36:08
Speaker 1: they're not just gonna let that. That's what I loved
36:12
Speaker 1: about the Storm Area fifty one thing where people were like, right,
36:16
Speaker 1: they can't shoot all of us? The fuck they can't. Yeah,
36:19
Speaker 1: of course they can shoot you all, and they will.
36:23
Speaker 3: This is the American military we're talking about. Yeah, they
36:26
Speaker 3: could start shooting today and never stop. Ever, it just
36:31
Speaker 3: wouldn't end.
36:32
Speaker 1: And the fact that Alex Jones got to do all
36:35
Speaker 1: this build up and then manages to infiltrate Bohemian Grove,
36:39
Speaker 1: it feels like either the government wanted him there or
36:43
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove isn't as big of a deal as people
36:46
Speaker 1: make it out to be.
36:47
Speaker 3: And I think it's the latter. I do too more
36:50
Speaker 3: than anything, and like but also much like Jesse Ventura,
36:55
Speaker 3: how like his idea of infiltrating is he literally basically
36:59
Speaker 3: just walked in the front entrance. Conversely, the best part
37:02
Speaker 3: of the British documentary is where there's like a several
37:05
Speaker 3: minutes of them doing preppy role play where they like
37:08
Speaker 3: pretend to have like preppy conversations.
37:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't trust it. Yeah, the fact that they
37:15
Speaker 1: get in just by showing up at the gate and
37:18
Speaker 1: being like we're members.
37:20
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think they was snuff past the gate.
37:23
Speaker 3: I think they snuck past the gate like the guards.
37:26
Speaker 3: But like, I do fully believe that if you were
37:30
Speaker 3: inside that place, if you look like you fit in,
37:34
Speaker 3: like if you were dressed like an asshole and like
37:38
Speaker 3: just you know, we're old or whatever and white or whatever,
37:41
Speaker 3: I bet you could pass yourself off and be like, yeah,
37:45
Speaker 3: I'm with the you know. He talks about how he
37:47
Speaker 3: says that he was with the bushes from the Hillbilly
37:51
Speaker 3: Camp because apparently that's the name of the camp where
37:53
Speaker 3: the bushes stay. Oh there, and so he's like, well,
37:57
Speaker 3: you know, we've got the Texas accents, so we'll just
37:59
Speaker 3: say we're bush and you know what, if they look
38:02
Speaker 3: the part, I bet that would not I bet that
38:04
Speaker 3: would be fine most of the time.
38:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. All the footage of him sneaking in is incredibly dull.
38:12
Speaker 3: Yes, Like this is this is the.
38:14
Speaker 1: Point where it really feels Blair witchy because it's just
38:18
Speaker 1: shaky camera footage of people walking through the woods.
38:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very lucky. They're lucky that they've got to
38:24
Speaker 3: payoff at the end, because yeah, I feel like there
38:27
Speaker 3: are a lot of these kind of someone you know,
38:32
Speaker 3: went out to find crazy footage of something, you know,
38:35
Speaker 3: like all those shows about Bigfoot and shit, where there's
38:38
Speaker 3: no payoff. There can't be because Bigfoot isn't real, and
38:42
Speaker 3: so you know, at least this thing is real. That's
38:45
Speaker 3: the that's what it's got going for it.
38:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a part where he talks about being approached
38:52
Speaker 1: by a sheriff's deputy. Yes, and conveniently it's right after
38:56
Speaker 1: they turn their cameras off, and it's like, well, these
38:59
Speaker 1: are hidden cameras turn him back on. Yeah, and he
39:03
Speaker 1: talks about how they saw a bank of television screens
39:07
Speaker 1: with wires that disappeared into the forest, but they didn't
39:11
Speaker 1: video any of that.
39:12
Speaker 3: No, although I will say, like I was very I
39:15
Speaker 3: didn't understand why he was shocked that there might be
39:19
Speaker 3: security cameras in this resort for the rich and famous.
39:24
Speaker 3: Like maybe it kind of makes sense.
39:27
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as when Jesse Ventura was driving
39:30
Speaker 1: around where the builder Berg group meets. He's like why
39:34
Speaker 1: am I being followed? And it's like you're at the
39:37
Speaker 1: Builderberg Group, right, Yeah, Like there are bank executives in
39:42
Speaker 1: the United States, so you can't follow home from work
39:46
Speaker 1: without getting followed yourself.
39:48
Speaker 3: You know, most people don't like being followed, and rich
39:51
Speaker 3: people can do something about it.
39:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. People hate it.
39:54
Speaker 3: That's they'll avoid it. Yeah.
39:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy if you didn't.
40:01
Speaker 3: Neither of us are saying that nothing about this is sketchy.
40:04
Speaker 3: It's just that it's not confusing in the way that
40:07
Speaker 3: it seems like Alex Joes is shocked by things.
40:10
Speaker 1: My thing about Bohemian Grove is it's obviously sketchy. I
40:16
Speaker 1: don't love the roots of it. I don't love the
40:18
Speaker 1: origins of it. But it's also when it comes to
40:22
Speaker 1: the world's most powerful people, their fucking fire festival is
40:26
Speaker 1: the least of our concerns.
40:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Davos and Builderberg Group and all of these
40:33
Speaker 3: things that are the same kind of stuff.
40:35
Speaker 1: And the bigger problem even than all of that is
40:39
Speaker 1: the decisions that come out of those meetings, right, and
40:42
Speaker 1: how they're implemented on the world stage. I don't care
40:45
Speaker 1: how much fucking they're doing at bohemian grove.
40:49
Speaker 3: Like, I don't mean about Henry Kissinger fucking I'm sorry.
40:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if there's like sex trafficking happening, which
40:55
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is probably, I would like that to
40:59
Speaker 1: not be a thing.
41:01
Speaker 3: Yes, Also, I don't really think if there is, I
41:04
Speaker 3: doubt any of the rich and powerful people know or
41:07
Speaker 3: have anything to do with it directly, you know what
41:10
Speaker 3: I mean? Like, right, they're not They're there to burn
41:13
Speaker 3: their cares and not think about the things that they do.
41:16
Speaker 1: They are there to burn an effigy of dull care,
41:19
Speaker 1: which is what they are care exactly.
41:22
Speaker 3: It's it's so weird. It's very weird, but it's also
41:25
Speaker 3: super dorky and super Christian. Like That's what I kept
41:30
Speaker 3: coming to is like this just feels like church, but
41:34
Speaker 3: also like a summer camp. It's like when you do,
41:36
Speaker 3: like a summer camp, play about your camps founding, but
41:42
Speaker 3: instead it's this.
41:44
Speaker 1: Back to not trusting Alex Jones. Sure, I'm supposed to
41:48
Speaker 1: believe that he couldn't walk through the woods with his
41:54
Speaker 1: video equipment out without being questioned. But at the most
41:58
Speaker 1: important moment of the night, when lit to relate everyone
42:03
Speaker 1: who's there is all gathered in one place. He gets
42:07
Speaker 1: like a half hour of uninterrupted footage. No one says anything,
42:12
Speaker 1: it's shitty footage, but no, no one. There's cameras in
42:19
Speaker 1: these woods, right, and none of them saw him because
42:23
Speaker 1: he's like zooming in and out.
42:25
Speaker 3: He's like, well, okay, I can actually explain some to this,
42:28
Speaker 3: and again we might have to do a part two
42:30
Speaker 3: of this. BBC channel fourth keep saying BBC because I'm
42:34
Speaker 3: American and I just keep thinking of British TV as BBC.
42:38
Speaker 3: But they go into that a lot. He fucking cut
42:41
Speaker 3: a hole in a bag and had the camera in
42:44
Speaker 3: the bag, and like he talks about like carrying like
42:48
Speaker 3: this under his arm. Uh. And then again there's that
42:53
Speaker 3: patri camp and all of the zooms and stuff are posts,
42:55
Speaker 3: they're added. I'm not again, I'm not saying he has
42:59
Speaker 3: no not making excuses for Alex joke, but I am
43:02
Speaker 3: saying I think he actually did this, and like or
43:08
Speaker 3: at least.
43:08
Speaker 1: No, I don't doubt that he filmed it, like obviously
43:11
Speaker 1: filmed it.
43:12
Speaker 3: No, I mean, and like he did sneak in even
43:15
Speaker 3: if he maybe had some help that he didn't know about,
43:18
Speaker 3: or was it really thinking about but like nothing tripped
43:22
Speaker 3: my this didn't happen Radar, No, I am.
43:26
Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't believe he wasn't invited.
43:31
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think he sneak in.
43:33
Speaker 1: I think he made a movie making it seem like
43:37
Speaker 1: he snuck in.
43:38
Speaker 3: But there is evidence of another side of that also,
43:42
Speaker 3: like we have other material that we can we can
43:45
Speaker 3: get to, but like I don't know. This is now,
43:48
Speaker 3: this is like a mystery. But like, yeah he he
43:53
Speaker 3: if he, I don't I'm not saying he wasn't invited
43:56
Speaker 3: or like that they didn't know that he was gonna
43:58
Speaker 3: be there or whatever, But I don't necessarily think that.
44:02
Speaker 3: I think he thinks he's just even jurying it. I
44:05
Speaker 3: think he really thinks that he just got in. And
44:08
Speaker 3: it's like fine, yeah he might, that's it. I just
44:12
Speaker 3: as far as how he got in, I don't know.
44:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
44:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet this Rick guy was like a if
44:18
Speaker 3: this Rick guy that they that was their source was
44:21
Speaker 3: a plant or whatever like that, that would be just
44:24
Speaker 3: as much of an explanation.
44:26
Speaker 1: The footage of the ceremony itself is cool. I mean,
44:30
Speaker 1: I guess is cool even the right word. No, It
44:33
Speaker 1: feels like the kind of thing where like imagine you're
44:37
Speaker 1: dating someone who's really rich and they're like, hm, hmmm,
44:41
Speaker 1: will you come to this thing with me tonight, Like
44:44
Speaker 1: it's a thing my family goes to every year.
44:47
Speaker 3: Yes, we can have lots of fun.
44:48
Speaker 1: It's just that on night one, they're gonna do this
44:52
Speaker 1: dorky thing where they set a fucking owl on fire
44:58
Speaker 1: that we fucking we play, we play ping pong, we drink.
45:03
Speaker 3: It's a party wherever we want.
45:05
Speaker 1: But there's this whole fucking ritual and it's gonna be dorky,
45:09
Speaker 1: but we you just please them.
45:10
Speaker 3: Well, at least at this point it was guys only.
45:13
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. I think my thing stands. That's
45:16
Speaker 1: still someone.
45:17
Speaker 3: No, sure, no, I mean like yeah, the footage is.
45:22
Speaker 3: It's cool that it exists. Like I'm glad that we have, Like,
45:27
Speaker 3: like we've said before, I'm glad we have this as
45:29
Speaker 3: like a historical document. It is so dorky though, like
45:33
Speaker 3: the actual ceremony they do a fucking fireworks show to
45:38
Speaker 3: in the Hall of the Mountain King, you know, like
45:46
Speaker 3: that is dorky ship and like the fucking.
45:52
Speaker 1: It's an elaborate fireworks display, right, is all it is?
45:56
Speaker 1: That's it.
45:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the type of event where, for who knows
46:00
Speaker 3: how long they did this, they would end the show
46:04
Speaker 3: with like a jet like a ragtime song like it
46:08
Speaker 3: was called the fuck What was the song? It was
46:10
Speaker 3: called hot Time in the Old Town Tonight. That's the
46:15
Speaker 3: name of the song, and like it's like literally just
46:18
Speaker 3: a song that goes like that's how it would end.
46:28
Speaker 2: And hello my baby, and how.
46:33
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's so like I just can't be frightened by
46:38
Speaker 3: it at all, Like if he was, if they were
46:42
Speaker 3: actually sacrificing a human being, that would be obviously.
46:49
Speaker 1: There's a part where Alex Jones does like enhanced video
46:54
Speaker 1: at the end, and again during all of that he
46:58
Speaker 1: goes listen to the scream that comes from the sacrifice
47:02
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay. There's also a recording that goes.
47:06
Speaker 2: Oh, you're trying to burn me again.
47:08
Speaker 1: And it's like that that's that's tapes. Tapes is what
47:13
Speaker 1: you're hearing. Walter Cronkite used to be the voice of this.
47:16
Speaker 1: I've found that when researching this, and how much cooler
47:21
Speaker 1: would it be if it was still him?
47:23
Speaker 3: That would have been great? And I did kind of
47:26
Speaker 3: John Ma right. I wish we could have seen like
47:30
Speaker 3: at least one like really famous guy, you know, like
47:35
Speaker 3: just like in the background, huh.
47:38
Speaker 2: The owl with lock.
47:43
Speaker 1: Owl backwards is whah, that's my Harry, Harry, thank you.
47:47
Speaker 3: No, it was good. It was good. Yeah.
47:49
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove is a thing I've not looked into that much.
47:54
Speaker 1: I've always assumed was pretty weird and shady, and then
47:59
Speaker 1: against all odd seeing this documentary made me like less
48:03
Speaker 1: concerned about it.
48:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I at least don't think that. I mean, it's
48:07
Speaker 3: just again, like it's just so dorky. I just can't
48:10
Speaker 3: be threatened by it. Like I obviously it's bad that
48:14
Speaker 3: all of these people are so buddy buddy and like
48:17
Speaker 3: are you know, basically getting together and choosing the course
48:21
Speaker 3: of some world offense in like this weird place where
48:25
Speaker 3: old men just pee on the ground. But like the
48:28
Speaker 3: ceremony itself is not frightening at all.
48:32
Speaker 1: Oh. I used to work for an insurance company that
48:36
Speaker 1: was owned by the Catholic Church, and when I started
48:40
Speaker 1: working there on the first day, they were like, oh, also,
48:43
Speaker 1: we kick off every meeting with a prayer, and sometimes
48:46
Speaker 1: you will be asked to lead that prayer, and in
48:49
Speaker 1: that moment, I said, no, I won't. I'm at work.
48:54
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pray in meetings. This ceremony feels like
48:59
Speaker 1: that person who gets tasked with praying to open the meeting.
49:04
Speaker 1: They're like that, I just want to fucking come to
49:07
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove and you know, have sex with well kidnapped women.
49:14
Speaker 1: But now I've been tasked with putting on the opening ceremony.
49:18
Speaker 1: It's my year and I hate this.
49:21
Speaker 3: You know, the camp itself is just north of San Francisco,
49:26
Speaker 3: and Harry Shearer has talked about this that he was invited,
49:31
Speaker 3: like someone invited him to go to Bohemian Grove once
49:35
Speaker 3: and he was so fascinated by his experience that he
49:39
Speaker 3: actually made a movie that I've been pitching that we
49:41
Speaker 3: should cover, called Teddy Bear's Picnic.
49:45
Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
49:45
Speaker 3: And he has said like he says, like he went
49:49
Speaker 3: with someone who performed for the San Francisco Opera and
49:54
Speaker 3: so like those like people from that circle are getting
49:57
Speaker 3: invited to this thing too, is like a treat, you
50:00
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so I imagine that's the
50:03
Speaker 3: type of person who they're picking to like also do
50:06
Speaker 3: this ceremony. It's got real theater kid energy.
50:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the ceremony for this one didn't. It had
50:15
Speaker 1: like a director credit.
50:16
Speaker 3: Yes on the on the on the program, on the
50:19
Speaker 3: program the bond director ry below the burning dead body.
50:23
Speaker 4: So like, how again, if they're handing out programs, yeah,
50:28
Speaker 4: how fucking I bet we can go on eBay and
50:31
Speaker 4: buy a Bohemian Grove program A.
50:34
Speaker 3: Program I bet, I bet it is like four phone
50:39
Speaker 3: calls max for one of us to get into Bohemian
50:43
Speaker 3: Grove to see the opening.
50:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably like Club thirty three at Disney, where
50:47
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, like if you give us ten grand,
50:50
Speaker 1: you can come in obviously.
50:51
Speaker 3: Exactly if you know somebody, if you know who knows
50:54
Speaker 3: somebody or whatever, like as long as you fit in.
50:58
Speaker 3: Like I think that's the That was the biggest takeaway
51:01
Speaker 3: I had from all of this is that like everybody
51:04
Speaker 3: there's basically the same guy. And I'll just repeated over
51:08
Speaker 3: and over again. But like when you're able to see
51:11
Speaker 3: more of the area around where they were filming the ceremony,
51:15
Speaker 3: they're just in a crowd of people like watching fireworks.
51:18
Speaker 3: Like it just was like a normal crowd. It didn't
51:23
Speaker 3: feel like that, Like you feel like the really famous
51:27
Speaker 3: people are probably have their own separate viewing area for
51:31
Speaker 3: you know, I bet there's still a like a class
51:35
Speaker 3: strata within the hyper.
51:39
Speaker 1: There's a VI resort, sure, right, there has.
51:43
Speaker 3: To be otherwise hyb so rich.
51:47
Speaker 1: And there's I looked it up on eBay. There is
51:50
Speaker 1: so much Bohemian Grove merch. Yeah, are t shirts, there
51:54
Speaker 1: are security badges nineteen eighty Bohemian Grove staff ID thirty dollars.
52:01
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing is, it's not really a secret.
52:05
Speaker 3: That's what's so weird about the whole Bohemian Grove thing.
52:08
Speaker 3: And I will never not find it fascinating no matter
52:11
Speaker 3: what it actually is. But like it really is just
52:14
Speaker 3: it just seems like no one really makes a big
52:17
Speaker 3: deal out of it. They're just like, yeah, we like
52:20
Speaker 3: put on performances and we hang out and it's just
52:22
Speaker 3: about chilling.
52:23
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy this Bohemian Club Grove Sesqua Centennial banner.
52:29
Speaker 1: It says Bohemian Grove eighteen seventy two to twenty twenty two,
52:34
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years, and on the bottom it
52:37
Speaker 1: says weaving Spiders come not here. And it is twenty
52:43
Speaker 1: two dollars and there are three available. Do we both
52:47
Speaker 1: want one of these for our respective homes? Because I
52:52
Speaker 1: will buy that before we even end this podcast without
52:57
Speaker 1: you even answering me. Hell yeah, I'm not gonna not
53:02
Speaker 1: have a Bohemian grove. And then it could be a
53:05
Speaker 1: natsy thing. But it doesn't seem.
53:07
Speaker 3: That's great, that's crazy. I bet it's real. It's happened
53:10
Speaker 3: already this year. It happened. But they also have other ones.
53:13
Speaker 3: That's what's really fun. Like the summer one is the
53:15
Speaker 3: one that gets all the attention, but apparently they do
53:18
Speaker 3: it in the spring two or at least they do
53:20
Speaker 3: something similar. It's a business. It's like a place where
53:24
Speaker 3: people work and they have to pay people.
53:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not I yeah, I really didn't expect that
53:31
Speaker 1: outcome right from this documentary, But Alex Jones made me
53:37
Speaker 1: feel a whole lot better about Bohemian Grove.
53:41
Speaker 3: He made a case maybe that was what his overseers wanted, right,
53:46
Speaker 3: they wanted us to be like, No, this is actually cool.
53:49
Speaker 3: I actually, to be clear, I don't think it's cool.
53:53
Speaker 3: I want to be very clear.
53:54
Speaker 1: I mean you've made it pretty clear that you think
53:57
Speaker 1: what happens at Bohemian Groves Cool.
54:01
Speaker 3: Well, I know, but I want to clear this up.
54:03
Speaker 3: I really think it's very dorky, Like I think everybody
54:06
Speaker 3: goes there is a huge loser.
54:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that we don't sign off on their
54:12
Speaker 1: ideas and things.
54:13
Speaker 3: It's just no I love Moloch such nerds. I just
54:16
Speaker 3: think it's very funny he talks about Molloch. I bet
54:19
Speaker 3: if you said the word Carthage to fucking Alex Jones,
54:23
Speaker 3: he wouldn't know what you were saying.
54:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't know.
54:28
Speaker 3: What fuck know anything about Carthage or Cubid sacrificer.
54:32
Speaker 4: Shit.
54:33
Speaker 1: Oh, it's not letting me order these banners. I'm gonna
54:36
Speaker 1: get it figured out. I'm gonna get it figured out.
54:39
Speaker 1: It's the fucking government. Work in the government.
54:42
Speaker 3: Man. They know, they know we're talking about it.
54:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know we're talking about this, but they did
54:48
Speaker 1: not know Alex Jones was parading around for three days
54:52
Speaker 1: in Bohemian Grove Town waiting to infiltrade.
54:55
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they definitely knew he was there. He
54:58
Speaker 3: made a lot of noise. He thought Bobby's and Ruskie
55:02
Speaker 3: fucking went into the seven to eleven and talked to
55:04
Speaker 3: that guy with dreads like that guy ruled.
55:07
Speaker 1: He had the Declaration of Independence on his T shirt.
55:10
Speaker 3: He was funny.
55:11
Speaker 1: So I think that's our episode, right, I think so, yeah, this, well,
55:16
Speaker 1: I guess we skipped over the part where Alex Jones
55:19
Speaker 1: it seems like it's over, and then there's a lot.
55:22
Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah, we have to talk about this.
55:24
Speaker 1: There's a Lord of the Rings moment where it seems
55:27
Speaker 1: like the documentary's over and then just restarts and he goes.
55:32
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to confront George Bush.
55:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what he means is he's gonna stand the
55:38
Speaker 1: legally allowed distance from where George Bush is and shouts
55:42
Speaker 1: across the street.
55:43
Speaker 3: But he does like he's like yeah, Like a few
55:46
Speaker 3: weeks after they were there, or like a week after
55:48
Speaker 3: they were there, George Bush announced his running mate was
55:51
Speaker 3: Dick Cheney at Bohemian Growth, which is crazy. That is weird,
55:56
Speaker 3: and it all really weird.
55:58
Speaker 1: It buys in to my whole theory behind this documentary,
56:03
Speaker 1: which is that this was the American government want to
56:07
Speaker 1: instill some mistrust in the International Criminal Court because we
56:12
Speaker 1: knew we were about to fucking wreck the Middle East.
56:15
Speaker 1: But also you got to throw that tag on at
56:17
Speaker 1: the end, but where Alex Jones is like.
56:20
Speaker 2: But no, I don't like George Bush. No, that's not
56:22
Speaker 2: what this was about.
56:23
Speaker 3: Well he's like, that was again before the Tea Party,
56:28
Speaker 3: Like these kinds of right wing libertarians weren't fans of
56:32
Speaker 3: the Republicans. That's a whole again. This is like, this
56:36
Speaker 3: is maybe the most pre nine to eleven conspiracy theory
56:41
Speaker 3: documentary that has ever been made, because it was released
56:46
Speaker 3: in like October of two thousand, like less than a
56:49
Speaker 3: year before nine to eleven. So like, I can't imagine
56:53
Speaker 3: another conspiracy theory documentary being this much just that pre
57:00
Speaker 3: nine to eleven shit, which is so hard to remember.
57:03
Speaker 3: Things have changed, The landscape has changed so drastically since then.
57:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting document Yes, this documentary, it is.
57:15
Speaker 1: It's worth watching. I yeah, like we we clearly have
57:20
Speaker 1: strong feelings about it.
57:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
57:22
Speaker 1: My main takeaway is still that I expected to come
57:26
Speaker 1: away from it far more suspicious of Bohemian grove. Yeah,
57:30
Speaker 1: and now I'm just like, yeah, whatever, it's the Fire Festival. Yes,
57:35
Speaker 1: it's the Fire Festival. If the Fire Festival worked.
57:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it was well run, yeah, yeah, it's what
57:40
Speaker 3: Firefest wanted to be.
57:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of shots, Like I went
57:44
Speaker 1: to the Virgin Music Festival once, and there's a lot
57:48
Speaker 1: of shots where I was like, Oh, that's what the
57:50
Speaker 1: Virgin Music Festival looked like. It's just cut into the
57:53
Speaker 1: side of the forest and there's like beer stands.
57:56
Speaker 3: Right yeah, like and you know, like even that skull
57:59
Speaker 3: sign that they that they pointed out. I'm like, we're
58:02
Speaker 3: talking about a place that doesn't play with like Latin
58:05
Speaker 3: and shit in it. Like these are dors, Like they
58:10
Speaker 3: like that fucking Renaissance, you know, you put a fucking
58:12
Speaker 3: skull in the painting in order to evoke death or whatever.
58:16
Speaker 3: Like it's all that toity toity twitty skull and bones
58:21
Speaker 3: shit like Ivy League whatever.
58:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's they're LARPers, Yes, they're just like they're
58:28
Speaker 1: LARPing as druids.
58:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like pay or like like you know, bohemians,
58:34
Speaker 3: like you know, they're like they're LARPing as people who
58:37
Speaker 3: you know have I don't know, I don't know. It's
58:40
Speaker 3: just weird. It's a weird thing. Would you go if
58:44
Speaker 3: you if they invited me? No, probably not no, because
58:48
Speaker 3: I would that would feel like a trap. Uh yeah,
58:50
Speaker 3: if like, if I knew someone who you know, like
58:54
Speaker 3: like the Harry Shear thing where it's like he's friends
58:56
Speaker 3: with someone in the fucking San Francisco Opera who is like, Hey,
59:00
Speaker 3: you want to come to see this crazy thing that
59:03
Speaker 3: I might do. Yeah, but if I got an invitation,
59:06
Speaker 3: then they're like, hey, you want to come check out
59:09
Speaker 3: our bohemian grove. Come on free, imitate here why, we'll
59:13
Speaker 3: pay for your plane. Just come on out, don't back. Yeah.
59:17
Speaker 1: I think if I was like not me, If I
59:20
Speaker 1: was like rich and sure, I just like started a
59:23
Speaker 1: fucking business and now I had untold sums of money
59:27
Speaker 1: and they invited me, then I'd go, I mean, sure
59:30
Speaker 1: if this episode drops and then they invite me the
59:33
Speaker 1: next day, right, I don't know.
59:35
Speaker 3: I don't think so, I don't I definitely, Yeah. I
59:37
Speaker 3: guess if I were a totally different person, if I
59:41
Speaker 3: were rich, I can only imagine what an awful person
59:43
Speaker 3: I would be.
59:44
Speaker 1: I'd ask if I could attend via zoom socially distanced?
59:49
Speaker 3: Do you think that was what they did in twenty
59:51
Speaker 3: twenty Live? We need a sequel documentary, that's what we need. Yeah,
59:57
Speaker 3: I want to find out about that.
59:59
Speaker 1: Everyone's watching Malloch get burned. But there's just a bank
1:00:04
Speaker 1: of TV screens with people's I have an NBA work
1:00:08
Speaker 1: during COVID, I get it.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great exactly.
1:00:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they've got a little cardboard like cutouts of
1:00:13
Speaker 3: people with like with like an iPad on.
1:00:17
Speaker 1: The pumping in crowd noise.
1:00:22
Speaker 3: People going oh at the firewars the banner.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: I think there was a twenty twenty banner on EBAD.
1:00:30
Speaker 1: We're gonna get some fucking Bohemian Grove banners. Yeah, but
1:00:35
Speaker 1: that's coming to your home.
1:00:36
Speaker 3: There's definitely more to say about this. Uh, we'll have
1:00:40
Speaker 3: to keep going.
1:00:41
Speaker 1: Well, we should do a legitimate Bohemian Grove episode about
1:00:45
Speaker 1: like the founding of it and things of the like.
1:00:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's weird. I mean, like, but it's also weird.
1:00:52
Speaker 3: It's weird in a rich person way. It's not weird
1:00:55
Speaker 3: in like a satanic cult way.
1:00:58
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like have you ever been to a
1:01:00
Speaker 1: rich person's party The food is weird?
1:01:03
Speaker 3: Like it's yes, they don't they're not people.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: They're not us, they're things are.
1:01:10
Speaker 3: Like they have a totally different understanding of reality when
1:01:14
Speaker 3: you're that wealthy like, it's just a totally different understanding.
1:01:18
Speaker 3: I can't comprehend it.
1:01:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, the comparison I kept coming up with in the
1:01:24
Speaker 1: notes for Bohemian Grove, it's like Burning Man, Like, is
1:01:28
Speaker 1: anything that happens at Burning Man any less weird than
1:01:32
Speaker 1: what happens at Bohemian Grove. It's just that Bohemian Grove
1:01:37
Speaker 1: is for the ultra rich and Burning Man is for
1:01:40
Speaker 1: like the medium rich.
1:01:42
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's burning Man for wasps, like old rich
1:01:47
Speaker 3: conservatives is Like, that's what it is, and it's it's
1:01:52
Speaker 3: just as dorky and weird and as you would expect
1:01:56
Speaker 3: from that description.
1:01:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, the CEO of a major isn't gonna be comfortable
1:02:01
Speaker 1: at Burning Man.
1:02:02
Speaker 3: No, No, because that's.
1:02:04
Speaker 1: All the lower one percent he needs to be with
1:02:07
Speaker 1: the upper one percent.
1:02:10
Speaker 3: You might interact with a poor person at Burning Man accidentally.
1:02:14
Speaker 1: Well, they work there, same as Bohemian Pace.
1:02:17
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying, Like, but everybody works it. No,
1:02:21
Speaker 3: that's not that's probably not true. I'm sure there are
1:02:23
Speaker 3: poor people who work it behind me, grip.
1:02:25
Speaker 1: I do like the part at the end where Alex
1:02:28
Speaker 1: Jones calls George Bush a luciferian twitt.
1:02:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like twitt, Yeah, I enjoy. He's like walking
1:02:36
Speaker 3: around Texas with like someone in a robe, a black
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Speaker 3: robe with a rebber George Bush mask on, and he's
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Speaker 3: got a bullhorn and he's like staying and he's like,
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Speaker 3: this is how George Bush dresses at bohemian robes.
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Speaker 1: Like that is gonna be the thing that people are like,
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Speaker 1: what there's a robe?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's like, but it's not like this, it's
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Speaker 3: more like a clan robe.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, man, does he You think they're making
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Speaker 1: George Bush participate in the burning of the owl. No,
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Speaker 1: he's the one standing on the other side of the water.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty yeah.
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Speaker 3: Maybe, But also he was in like skulling Bones and shit,
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Speaker 3: and I think for these people, like participating in the
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Speaker 3: ritual is part of the thing.
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Speaker 1: Even then, I guarantee in Sculling Bones he was the
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Speaker 1: guy in the back of the room going that's pretty yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure George Bush was mostly in skull
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Speaker 3: and Bones to get hammered. That's basically my understanding of
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Speaker 3: George Bush as a young man.
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Speaker 1: So I think that's our episode, right, you did it?
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Speaker 1: I think so we got it all covered. We'll link
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Speaker 1: to this documentary for everyone who wants to watch it.
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Speaker 1: I know that's all of you, Uh, Olivia. Do we
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Speaker 1: have anything to plug before we get out of here?
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Speaker 3: Going back our lost podcast Truck and Rynal like halfway
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Speaker 3: through season one, so that's fun.
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Speaker 1: Other than that, I check that out on wherever you
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Speaker 1: get your bonus episodes of Conspiracy the show, and it
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Speaker 1: will be out for free soon so you can listen
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Speaker 1: to it that way too. I would like to plug
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Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown dot substack dot com. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how many people listening to this podcast know, but I
1:04:24
Speaker 1: started out as a writer for a website called Cracked
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Speaker 1: dot com and I was kind of like thrust into
1:04:30
Speaker 1: doing podcasts for a living. And I have finally found
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Speaker 1: time to start writing again, so you can read my
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Speaker 1: writings at Adam Toddbrown dot substack dot com. I got
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Speaker 1: an article up about whether America is descending into fascism,
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Speaker 1: and here's the thing, No, we're not, No matter what
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Speaker 1: anyone tells you. We've been fascist this whole time, so exactly,
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Speaker 1: so ick all that out. I would appreciate it, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's it. Let's get out of here. Olivia
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Speaker 1: say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody.
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Speaker 3: We love you, people of a found.
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Speaker 1: It just has to be stru