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Don’t Blackpill · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: What are we going to talk about here?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Not the election, but probably abutting the election, I'd assume.
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SPEAKER_00: Dear God, no, please.
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SPEAKER_00: Anything but.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, no. No election. No election.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think we should talk about little things around the election.
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SPEAKER_02: And I do think there are some really good points that I want to make
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SPEAKER_02: about the election that aren't political and more campaign-wise.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean...
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SPEAKER_02: I think we should talk about looksmitting because you were texting me the other day
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SPEAKER_02: with a hot topic that you wanted me to go off
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SPEAKER_02: on because I think my take is hilarious.
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SPEAKER_00: We talked about looksmitting a little bit, I think.
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SPEAKER_02: The last episode was called looksmitting.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, that's the looks obsession.
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SPEAKER_00: So our text conversation was Beachy Keenan, who...
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SPEAKER_00: She's a female influencer. She wrote a book.
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SPEAKER_02: She lives in L.A. She was a writer.
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SPEAKER_02: She used to work in the film industry, I believe.
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SPEAKER_00: She has a lot of weight in certain sectors of the political right.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't follow her.
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SPEAKER_00: She shows up in my feed sometimes.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't find her that interesting, I'm going to be honest, for the most part.
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SPEAKER_00: But she posted a tweet after the election saying that...
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SPEAKER_00: Republicans need to be, like,
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SPEAKER_00: higher clavicular and be considering looks-maxing principles
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SPEAKER_00: because women simply will not vote for any man who isn't super handsome
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SPEAKER_00: and attractive.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was horrified by this, and I texted you saying I was horrified by this,
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SPEAKER_00: and you're like, eh.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, here is her exact tweet.
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SPEAKER_02: Male R candidates need to be carefully vetted for handsomeness, facial symmetry,
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SPEAKER_02: good angles, clear skin, trim build, thick hair.
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SPEAKER_02: She basically is describing her interpretation of Gavin Newsom here,
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SPEAKER_02: and I do think that's relevant.
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SPEAKER_02: Basically, 99% of GOP candidates who lost failed the most basic looks max or test,
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SPEAKER_02: even when adjusted for age.
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SPEAKER_02: Another important part.
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SPEAKER_02: This seems silly, but I want you to remember who the customers are for the product
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SPEAKER_02: that GOP is trying to sell.
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SPEAKER_02: Brandon Gill won easily for a reason.
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SPEAKER_02: Abdul did, too, for a similar reason, although his manlet muscular appeal is lost on me.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that she called him a manlet. I'm not kidding.
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SPEAKER_02: I think Clavicular should be consulting American first candidate a physiognomy.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I don't think she's totally off here in that.
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SPEAKER_02: I think a large part of the voting public is absolutely moronic
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SPEAKER_02: and definitely factors looks into their voting.
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SPEAKER_02: I do not.
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SPEAKER_02: I voted for a lot of not remotely attractive people,
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SPEAKER_02: but I do think that people consider handsomeness.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that people consider height.
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SPEAKER_02: I Think People Consider How Much A Candidate Ways.
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SPEAKER_02: I Think All These Things Factor In. Should They?
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SPEAKER_02: No, It's Your Looks.
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SPEAKER_02: It Shouldn't Factor In. I Think They Do.
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SPEAKER_02: I Think People Vote For Looks.
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SPEAKER_02: And You Were Horrified That I Said That.
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SPEAKER_00: You Said You Thought Women Voted For Looks.
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SPEAKER_02: I Especially Think That Women Do.
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SPEAKER_02: I Do Think That It Comes Into Men's Factoring As Well.
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SPEAKER_02: And I will agree with you.
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SPEAKER_02: You made the point that men will vote for ugly women.
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SPEAKER_02: We're not going to go into the rest of that conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: Men will preferentially vote for women that they don't find attractive over women that they do.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe this.
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SPEAKER_02: But I also think that men will judge other men on an attractiveness.
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SPEAKER_02: And I don't mean like, oh, they're attracted to them.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's like, oh, that guy's not busted.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I do think that men look for a baseline attractiveness level when it comes to men.
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SPEAKER_02: If you look at we always say like, oh, Chris Christie is never going to get elected.
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SPEAKER_02: That's.
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SPEAKER_02: A lot of it is men judging the fact that he's fat.
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SPEAKER_02: It's women judging the fact that he's fat.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a thing.
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SPEAKER_02: People do vote for the more handsome person.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the whole reason Gavin Newsom has such an illustrative career.
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SPEAKER_00: Two things. I think that Chris Christie can't get elected
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SPEAKER_00: because that in-your-face New Jersey personality style doesn't play in much
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SPEAKER_00: of the country.
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SPEAKER_00: Two, I don't think that Gavin Newsom plays outside of California.
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SPEAKER_00: As in our text conversation, you were talking about how, well, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I was raised in California and it's like, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: everyone is so looks obsessed in California and whatnot.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that that That is probably explained a huge amount about California politics.
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SPEAKER_00: And it also explains why in the modern era,
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SPEAKER_00: when California politicians end up trying to go on the national scene,
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SPEAKER_00: they always blow up because they show up in debates.
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SPEAKER_00: They show up on TV and they're complete idiots.
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SPEAKER_00: But they're attractive idiots.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh.
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SPEAKER_02: But here's the thing, like, it shouldn't be this way, but people do factor attractiveness.
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SPEAKER_02: No, no.
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SPEAKER_02: If they think someone's trustworthy, if they think someone is worthy of respect,
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SPEAKER_02: like, and these are just in basic interactions, let alone an election.
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SPEAKER_02: You're totally treated differently based on how you look when you go into a job interview.
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SPEAKER_00: Even given your premise, which I do not, even given your premise, it would be a very new trend.
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SPEAKER_00: Because if you look historically, like...
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SPEAKER_00: The people who were elected at the state, local,
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SPEAKER_00: federal level were generally not that good-looking.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was posting about this, and someone in my replies said, like, well,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, Kennedy beat Nixon in 1960.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, no, he actually likely didn't.
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SPEAKER_00: He generally considered to have likely lost that election,
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SPEAKER_00: but Nixon didn't want to cause a stink by demanding recounts and investigations.
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SPEAKER_00: That's, in fact, an excellent counterpoint to it. Nixon won.
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SPEAKER_02: They did the election where tinfoil had,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: Nixon likely won in 1960 and definitely won in 1968 and 1972.
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SPEAKER_00: Jimmy Carter was a somewhat he was kind of goofy looking young.
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SPEAKER_00: He looked it's been pointed out.
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SPEAKER_00: He looked a bit like Scarlett Johansson when he was young.
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SPEAKER_00: But but but by the time Jimmy Carter is showing up and getting elected president
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SPEAKER_00: in 1976, he wasn't that good looking.
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SPEAKER_00: Ronald Reagan was good looking, but Bill could.
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SPEAKER_00: And George H.W.
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SPEAKER_00: Bush was, yeah, he wasn't bad looking,
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SPEAKER_00: but Bill Clinton just runs on charisma.
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SPEAKER_00: He's famously, he's got the weird blobby red nose.
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SPEAKER_00: He's a somewhat odd looking guy.
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SPEAKER_00: However, he's incredibly attractive because the man just oozes charisma.
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SPEAKER_00: Even people who hate him have to admit that Bill Clinton has endless amounts
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SPEAKER_00: of charisma and everyone wants to sit down and have a beer with Bill Clinton.
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SPEAKER_02: I also, so I do disagree with her.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to be absolutely gorgeous, but I would say you can't be ugly.
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SPEAKER_02: I will give, I think that being attractive.
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SPEAKER_02: And being attractive definitely gives a leg up because people listen to what you're saying.
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SPEAKER_00: I won't say a leg up.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say being attractive gives a foot in the door.
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SPEAKER_00: That is the most I will give.
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SPEAKER_00: However, if you're very attractive, people, if you come off as an idiot,
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SPEAKER_00: people will still be like, oh, oh, that's a shame.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you're saying that to a woman.
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SPEAKER_02: People think I'm an idiot anyways.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you listen to anyone on the, like, the hardcore more alt-right.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, they don't listen to me anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, no one cares about the hardcore alt-right.
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SPEAKER_00: They'll vote a Democrat anyways through them.
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SPEAKER_00: Or they just didn't vote.
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SPEAKER_00: They can go pound sand.
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SPEAKER_02: This that is the part of the election that I think is interesting to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02: Not so much like the partisan back and forth because what happened happened.
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SPEAKER_02: But I do think it's interesting that like neocons and alt-right didn't vote for the Republican.
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SPEAKER_02: Like they voted, but they didn't vote for Republican or they left something blank
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SPEAKER_02: or they wrote someone in.
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SPEAKER_02: It was all it was the kind of neocon never Trump.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you had the
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SPEAKER_02: I think both
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SPEAKER_02: of them screwed over the right and continue to to this day.
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SPEAKER_02: I think we all have to, you know, be involved and play ball.
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SPEAKER_00: Neither of them think strategically for the most part.
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SPEAKER_00: At the same time, I have sympathy for people
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SPEAKER_00: who say I've seen a lot of people who said, I did.
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SPEAKER_00: I strategically and voted for Mitt Romney even though I didn't like him.
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SPEAKER_00: And then a lot Of the people who asked me to vote for Mitt Romney freaked out
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SPEAKER_00: and wouldn't vote For Donald Trump when all The same arguments were being made
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SPEAKER_00: for it that he's The party's nominee we can't let the Democrats win.
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SPEAKER_00: I have sympathy for that.
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SPEAKER_02: It only goes one way with a lot Of the never -Trump crowd.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi! Did not vote for Mitt Romneys so there you go?
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't. I liked Mitt Romney.
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SPEAKER_00: I still, I don't like what, I don't like post-Trump Mitt Romney, but I said,
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SPEAKER_00: Romney seemed like a generally, genuinely decent guy.
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SPEAKER_00: And I actually, I liked Mitt Romney quite a bit.
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SPEAKER_00: But like many people who I liked quite a bit pre-2016, I don't like in their current iteration.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't vote for him because I didn't like a lot of the policies that he enacted
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SPEAKER_02: in his state that is very liberal.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I moved to that state.
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SPEAKER_00: So, hey.
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SPEAKER_00: I am...
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SPEAKER_00: Again, I think that it is good to be and have strategic thinkers in the party.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that we need to, it is good.
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SPEAKER_00: Every municipality and state needs to be run by,
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SPEAKER_00: needs to be running Republicans who can win in that state.
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SPEAKER_00: These national litmus tests for state-level offices,
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SPEAKER_00: or even state-level federal offices,
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SPEAKER_00: these national policy platform litmus tests to be able to run,
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SPEAKER_00: I think is incredibly stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm super over it on all sides.
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SPEAKER_02: Even like, I think the Dems would say the same thing.
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SPEAKER_02: The...
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SPEAKER_02: The way American parties have become so fractured is not helpful to anyone.
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SPEAKER_02: I think it's really a shame.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think anyone has anyone to blame but themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: I said this on Twitter this morning and I got so many people yelling at me
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SPEAKER_02: and they're like, well, what do you think?
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SPEAKER_02: Democrats are going to do it better.
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SPEAKER_02: You didn't give Trump enough time to fix the economy, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yo, first of all, didn't vote for a Democrat, didn't ever tell anyone to.
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SPEAKER_02: I told people to go vote and to vote Republican.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I never said that.
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SPEAKER_02: You are assuming that because I am saying we did a bad job,
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't go vote and I told people to vote for Democrat?
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SPEAKER_02: No, I should be able to call out things that we did poorly.
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SPEAKER_02: And we did a lot poorly.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, let's realize what we did and move on.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I have people screaming at me from the Trump side.
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SPEAKER_02: The people on the neocon, never Trump side already, you know,
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SPEAKER_02: tune out anyone that voted for Trump.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, you can't win.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know how we're supposed to have a party with all these idiots just screaming
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SPEAKER_02: at each other all the time.
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SPEAKER_02: And people...
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SPEAKER_02: The second the election was over, people are like, oh, candidate quality,
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SPEAKER_02: the candidates you pick matter. Yeah, they do. They do.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not discounting that.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what else matters?
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SPEAKER_02: If you actually do a job.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't have John Thune in there blocking everything.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't Trump not wanting to work legislation.
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SPEAKER_02: Can' t have House members doing nothing all day, every day.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to actually go in and produce something like the candidate quality.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure, that matters. Also, so does your performance?
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SPEAKER_00: There's blame to go around. And that's the thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone is positioning themselves to try to be like, it's not my fault.
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SPEAKER_00: I think a mature...
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SPEAKER_02: It's everyone's fault.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a mature part would be like, this is partly my fault.
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't only my fault.
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SPEAKER_00: This is partly my fault.
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SPEAKER_02: It's partly my fault for not getting more involved and getting more people to vote.
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SPEAKER_02: Granted, I was in the middle of a big move, but everyone has fault to go around.
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SPEAKER_02: And for the 10 people listening to this,
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SPEAKER_02: if you follow people that are just assigning blame,
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SPEAKER_02: just Don't listen to what they're saying.
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SPEAKER_02: They need to be saying, yeah, I could have done this better.
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SPEAKER_02: I could have done this better.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just people shouting online to get your Twitter money,
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SPEAKER_02: and it's going to tear our country apart.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the engagement farming going on.
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SPEAKER_00: There's the whole thing with the super organic Pete Hegseth boosterism
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SPEAKER_00: that suddenly sprouted up yesterday. Super organic.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody, all these very large accounts all started in concert talking about like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh, we need to draft Pete Hegseth.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I 100% believe this is just, I don't even know they're being paid.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just clearly coordinated.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's paid.
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SPEAKER_00: Although a lot of them were in fact working for the DOD under Hegseth.
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SPEAKER_02: And you have to disclose things, people.
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SPEAKER_00: But getting back to, I told my wife,
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SPEAKER_00: I told you at the time I told my wife your theory that you said that you thought
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SPEAKER_00: that women, a large majority of women perhaps,
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SPEAKER_00: are voting based almost solely on votes.
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SPEAKER_02: Not solely on. Not solely on. That's not what you said.
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SPEAKER_02: No, that is not what I said.
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SPEAKER_02: It is not solely on.
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SPEAKER_02: It does very much factor in.
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SPEAKER_00: I told her this, and my wife, who is, you know, she votes reliably in every election.
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SPEAKER_00: She is a proud—she isn't a feminist.
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SPEAKER_00: She doesn't identify as a feminist, but she is perhaps a first-wave feminist,
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SPEAKER_00: very much for female equality, equality of opportunity.
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SPEAKER_00: She said, well, if that's—basically said, if that's the case,
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SPEAKER_00: I think we should repeal the 19th Amendment.
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SPEAKER_02: So, I actually wasn't trying to make that point, but apparently I did.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, because then I pointed out, because you get really angry about guys,
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SPEAKER_00: especially who go on Twitter and say we should repeal the 19th Amendment.
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SPEAKER_00: So I said to you, I said...
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SPEAKER_00: If you truly believe this, why are you in favor of not repealing the 19th Amendment?
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SPEAKER_00: And do you remember what you said to me?
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SPEAKER_02: I do. And I stand by it.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't want to repeal the 19th Amendment because I want to vote.
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SPEAKER_02: Because I'm a woman and I want to be able to vote.
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SPEAKER_00: That is terrible civics.
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SPEAKER_00: That is terrible civic spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I am selfish.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to vote.
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SPEAKER_02: Just because other women are not as smart as me doesn't mean that I'm trying
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SPEAKER_02: to take away their vote.
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SPEAKER_00: I think so. I think it's I think the repeal the 19th Amendment thing is stupid
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SPEAKER_00: because it implies that women are the only low information voters set.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: If you look at what switched in this election, it was low info voters.
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SPEAKER_02: It was not women.
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SPEAKER_02: Women already weren't with us, which is a big thing that I want to just keep hammering.
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SPEAKER_02: And I don't actually get all that mad.
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SPEAKER_02: But what I do get mad at is the fact that Republicans are like, oh, well,
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SPEAKER_02: women hate us because of TikTok and because of programs and because of the media
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SPEAKER_02: and because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_02: So we don't even try.
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SPEAKER_02: If you look at the election results, all across the nation, Democrat,
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SPEAKER_02: liberal staff pass everywhere.
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SPEAKER_02: Look at Colorado, my commie state.
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SPEAKER_02: We went solely blame.
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SPEAKER_02: We lost four congressional House seats, okay?
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SPEAKER_02: Or congressional seats, not House seats. That's, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyways, I'm yammering.
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SPEAKER_02: We lost all four seats.
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SPEAKER_02: The only things that passed in Colorado were The bill that strengthens penalties
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SPEAKER_02: for child trafficking, the bill that prevents boys from playing in girls sports,
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SPEAKER_02: and the bill that prevents anyone under the age of 18
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SPEAKER_02: from getting gender-affirming care medically,
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SPEAKER_02: like medical interventions that would end up in sterilization.
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SPEAKER_02: You're not allowed to get that.
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SPEAKER_02: Those all passed in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_02: Those are not liberal things.
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SPEAKER_02: Those are very conservative things that passed.
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SPEAKER_02: Why did it pass?
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SPEAKER_02: Because those were run by moms.
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SPEAKER_02: They went out and they talked to women.
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SPEAKER_02: They It got women involved in the issue.
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SPEAKER_02: They were talking about issues that impact your family.
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SPEAKER_02: The Republicans used to be about issues that impact your family around
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SPEAKER_02: the dinner table, how much it costs to put food on the table,
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SPEAKER_02: how much your mortgage costs, all these other things.
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SPEAKER_02: We used to focus on education,
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SPEAKER_02: all these kitchen table issues, and we got totally away from it.
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SPEAKER_02: People don't care about Iran.
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SPEAKER_02: They didn't even care about the Iran War if we had just gone in and been done with it.
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SPEAKER_02: When you prolong it, you make it an issue, and then they started to notice.
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SPEAKER_02: But actually going there, no one cared.
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SPEAKER_02: It was very difficult. Very low down.
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SPEAKER_02: If you look at the lowest issue of interest to voters in exit polling,
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SPEAKER_02: who all switched, no one cared about Israel.
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SPEAKER_02: Israel was dead last on the respondent.
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SPEAKER_02: It's getting all the heat, of course, but it wasn't there.
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SPEAKER_02: It was that people can't afford to eat beef.
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SPEAKER_02: They can't afford to do X, Y, and Z.
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SPEAKER_02: Gas prices are going up.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, it was really dumb because you voted for the party that's going
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SPEAKER_02: to jack gas prices up even more because they don't even want us to be able
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SPEAKER_02: to have gas.
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SPEAKER_02: All of a sudden, being an EV driver will be great for me,
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SPEAKER_02: although I can't freaking charge it in big cities,
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SPEAKER_02: which is where all the dumb voters live, so I don't know what they're doing.
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it just, it boggles my mind.
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SPEAKER_02: We have to reach out to women.
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SPEAKER_02: We have to get women involved.
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SPEAKER_02: We are not, a lot of our beliefs are not opposite of what women want.
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SPEAKER_02: We just don't even try to talk to them.
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SPEAKER_02: And that really pisses me off.
18:58
SPEAKER_00: The issue with women voters is that women in aggregate tend to be the ones
19:02
SPEAKER_00: who support things like trans rights.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Men do not.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: As a voting monolith, men are not interested in trans rights, gay rights, any of that stuff.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: Most of the support does come from women because, again, as an aggregate,
19:19
SPEAKER_00: women tend to be more persuadable by emotional arguments.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: I've said before, this is a bell curve issue where just the bell curve of women.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: And I just need to pause you for one second to reiterate once more that you have
19:36
SPEAKER_02: a very educated wife who is not
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SPEAKER_00: persuadable by emotional arguments.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: No, oh my God, no, she's not at all.
19:45
SPEAKER_02: No, but I was just saying this to say that like you do help support your wife
19:50
SPEAKER_02: and she is probably more the breadwinner in your family.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: So I'm saying that you can say this from a place
19:58
SPEAKER_02: that like you are a huge help to your wife.
20:01
SPEAKER_02: You are not judging women in this way.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: People don't know you in real life like I do.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: So I just have to put out that disclaimer that like anything you're saying is not.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: My wife is more so analytical than I am to the point that she has a PhD
20:17
SPEAKER_00: in analytical chemistry.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to build you up here and say that you are not the, like,
20:25
SPEAKER_00: women belong in the kitchen type of person.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: The problem is it is more difficult to persuade women Like, you know,
20:32
SPEAKER_00: that's – there's – it is more difficult
20:34
SPEAKER_00: to persuade women using pure rational arguments
20:39
SPEAKER_00: when you have – There's a reason
20:42
SPEAKER_00: that you have a rise in the modern of the campaign commercial of, oh, well,
20:48
SPEAKER_00: you know, this person has experienced this, like, you know, this small child died.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: Because of this person's policy.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: And it isn't to persuade male voters.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: So but I obviously am very in favor of not repealing the 19th Amendment,
21:02
SPEAKER_00: because again, men have sit men have major problems and how they process the world
21:07
SPEAKER_00: as well and are manipulatable just in different ways.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: But now I can't remember that we diverge.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: Now I can'T remember where I started.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I derailed you.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: You wanted you wanted to pre -butt defend me? And I appreciate that, but.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, I was trying.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: Especially because in the media or in the age of clippable content,
21:31
SPEAKER_02: if people don't really know what you're saying,
21:33
SPEAKER_02: you saying that women can be drawn to emotional arguments is not
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SPEAKER_02: That doesn't color your view of all women.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how controversial that really is, though.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's just a perceived truth in the social sciences, for the most part.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: Men and women! Please be there!
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Men and women work differently.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: I know this may surprise people, but our brains are wired in different ways.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: And again, it's a bell curve.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: There are men on one side, there are women on the other side.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: But that's just how it is.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: When we're talking about the crazy emotional woman,
22:16
SPEAKER_02: it's fine to just put me in the placeholder for that because we all know it's true.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: It is. It's fine.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: I would never say that to your face.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, don't say it behind my back.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: I'd rather you say it to my face.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: Look, I am someone who is more drawn to emotional things.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: I take that in a different way than more liberal women do, but of course I am.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: So I don't think it's a bad thing.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's a bad thing either.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: I think it's a good thing.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: Men, again, bell curve in aggregate, tends to not take emotions into account enough.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: And there is a reason why the family unit historically tended to be a man
23:02
SPEAKER_00: and a woman working together in a household,
23:05
SPEAKER_00: because they complement each other well, ideally, in their worldview and outlook.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: This is turning into my husband's talk that he had with my son.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: Good man, good man.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: Every boy should hear it.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: The first time he tried to say it, my son fell asleep.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: After a camping trip, Luke goes through it all.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: This is a wild left turn, sorry.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: And he fell asleep.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: I just turned on Gilmore Girls for my talk, and I was like, everything that Rory did, don't do.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Horrible.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: One of television's greatest villains, Rory Gilmore.
23:40
SPEAKER_02: Do you like how they transitioned us away from this topic?
23:44
SPEAKER_00: We said we're going to discuss the election, though.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: We spent like half an hour kind of digitally discussing the election.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: I know. Yeah, but it's not like I don't care to get into Trump-erism.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't care to get into the blow-by-blow.
23:59
SPEAKER_02: A lot of mistakes were made, and if people would, for once in their lives,
24:05
SPEAKER_02: fess up and realize that they were a part of the problem,
24:08
SPEAKER_02: we'd be on our way forward.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: I also just really quickly want to say the sun is Rose, we are fine.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: The world is still here.
24:17
SPEAKER_02: And honestly, I think that this is a gift before 28.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: I think this will help Republicans win 28.
24:24
SPEAKER_02: I don't think there is a shot in hell before this.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: And if we do some important work and shake some skeletons out of our closet,
24:31
SPEAKER_02: I think we will be great.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: The Dems are going to way overreach on this.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: They're going to see it as a mandate.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: They don't have a veto-proof mandate.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: They're going to act like they do.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: And it's going to backfire spectacularly on them because they're not going to do any
24:44
SPEAKER_02: of the price-lowering things that they said.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: You said the conservative policy initiatives in Colorado succeeded.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: You chalked this up to them being women-led.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: The story of the election, in many cases, is that all across the country,
25:01
SPEAKER_00: the ballot initiative, the conservative ballot initiatives,
25:05
SPEAKER_00: Passed all over the place.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody, everybody was voting for these conservative ballot issues
25:11
SPEAKER_00: while they're voting for members of a party who are against everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Like these ballots, like the voter ID laws passed, I think,
25:20
SPEAKER_00: in every state that they were brought up in.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not positive, but close. Not Colorado.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that went down in flames.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: But here's the other thing is not just getting women involved in that issue.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: You had to get women involved because they're the ones that vote for it.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: So they had to be the ones running it.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: And they had an insane grassroots group that that put this on.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, insane, like in a hardworking way, not like in a crazy way.
25:51
SPEAKER_02: Erin from, it's like Parents for Kids Rights or something, Colorado.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: She organized an amazing group.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: If the state party in Colorado doesn't get her number,
26:02
SPEAKER_02: because Colorado doesn't even have a Republican party.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Like we haven't since 2008.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: It's there in name only.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: We had one We had
26:13
SPEAKER_02: one state party chair direct millions of dollars,
26:16
SPEAKER_02: the entire state campaign budget into his primary that he lost.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: We just don't have a functioning party.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: They went and ran this.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: If you look at all of those voter ID things that passed in other states,
26:28
SPEAKER_02: most of them passed by citizens' initiative groups.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't party-led because a lot of the party gets bogged down in A lot
26:38
SPEAKER_02: of Trumpy crap or neocon crap.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: It's that both sides are ism.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: It's when people go out and get it done.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: It's these like citizen run groups.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: A lot of our government has forgotten that they're running to work for us.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: We act like we owe them something.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: We forget that they're there to do our bidding.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: And when it's the citizen groups versus like the party saying, well,
27:03
SPEAKER_02: we're going to vote for this and you have this.
27:05
SPEAKER_02: And you need to do X, Y, and Z.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: No, it needs to be—God, I sound so populist.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: I sound so— Well, again, this is, I think,
27:16
SPEAKER_00: a part and parcel of the problem with nationalizing every election at every level.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Like I said before, the election needs
27:27
SPEAKER_00: to be focused on the policies and the needs
27:31
SPEAKER_00: of the locality in which it is happening.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's one of the true dangers of this previous election is that...
27:38
SPEAKER_00: In some of these places, the Democrat who won may entrench themselves
27:43
SPEAKER_00: in an otherwise Republican state just by being competent and doing voter
27:46
SPEAKER_00: and doing constituent services.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: I think specifically the guy who won, I can't remember, Column, I think, in Mississippi.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: He seems like the perfect Democrat to run in Mississippi.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: If you look at his record, he's a very conservative Democrat.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: He's a Manchin.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: What's that?
28:06
SPEAKER_02: He's a Manchin, like Joe Manchin.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's a very conservative Democrat.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: He was a judge, I guess, before this and had a really good judicial record on the bench.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: So, and seemed like he had really,
28:20
SPEAKER_00: really good ad game and seems to actually be the He's the kind of guy
28:24
SPEAKER_00: who could just keep, even if Mississippi as a whole, as it will inevitably happen,
28:28
SPEAKER_00: goes back, turns back red, he may just carry on the Senate.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: He's a young man, and if he listens to his constituents and actually, like,
28:36
SPEAKER_00: you know, they call his office and his people are able to help people
28:40
SPEAKER_00: with whatever problems they have, he'll probably just keep on winning.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: That's how it works. That's what you want to do.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of Republicans don't do that.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Joel Ossoff in Georgia did the same thing.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Georgia is more of a purple state, trending bluish.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: But Joel Ossoff got in on a special election,
28:59
SPEAKER_00: and then he apparently has just fantastic ground game for constituent services.
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SPEAKER_00: Republicans tend to not do that, and they need to.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: A little bit of issue there,
29:10
SPEAKER_02: because I used to do constituent services in the Senate for Republicans.
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SPEAKER_02: They still do it, and many still prioritize it.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: That could be a whole side episode.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: I do just have to say, like, that's a thing for Republicans, too.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: They are very good at it.
29:27
SPEAKER_02: It depends on the Republican.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: So to my friend listening that works at Tim Scott's office,
29:40
SPEAKER_02: no, it's not me that said that.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: I've heard. I've heard from people.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't live in South Carolina. I don't know.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And I honestly have never tried to contact my senator where I do live.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: I use them all the time.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: I don't know. Even Hickenlooper helped me get a last minute rush passport
29:58
SPEAKER_02: when I had a catastrophe.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I tried to get tickets to go to the white, to tour the White House with my family once.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: You need to have, no, no, no.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: It was like a lottery ticket.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you can get around that, but you have to plan really early.
30:13
SPEAKER_02: You have to know people.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: There's ways to do it.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: You also have to be strategic.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Are you asking your House member, your senator?
30:19
SPEAKER_00: Who's my House member, who I have a low opinion of anyway.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, there is a strategy to getting White House tickets, especially around Christmas time.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: Those are the hot button ones.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: There's ways you can get it done, but It does involve a lot of work,
30:38
SPEAKER_02: and you need at least three months lead time.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: As uncomfortable as it makes me, I think at this point,
30:44
SPEAKER_00: I will probably just use what platform I have on Twitter to be like, hey,
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I know I know people who know people.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Can you get my family into the White House this weekend?
30:54
SPEAKER_02: We actually should sometime with our families go, because I have a good in.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: I have a good in, and we've got to use it before they're impeached.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, you can.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Before this administration hits the skids, we got to get in there.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: No, I don't even think they're going to impeach him.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: No, they're going to try in the House, said it isn't going to.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: It's, you know, whatever.
31:17
SPEAKER_02: You know what I am excited about?
31:18
SPEAKER_02: So this is why the stock market crashed yesterday.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: The Democrats have said they have a long list of CEOs and corporations
31:27
SPEAKER_02: that they're hauling in front of Congress to have them come to account.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: If they don't have Google in there first about these damn AI previews,
31:35
SPEAKER_02: which are losing me Hundreds of thousands of dollars and I have had to cut jobs for.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know what they're doing.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: If they focus just on Google, I will be like, you know what? It's great.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: Not all was lost.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, let the Democrats focus on Google.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Please, please, please.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: And I'll be really happy.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: I think you're going to be disappointed. I bet they don't even call you.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be so disappointed.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: Actually, Bernie Sanders did make this an issue,
31:59
SPEAKER_02: and I do think that he's going to go for it,
32:01
SPEAKER_02: and I do think that AOC is going to bang this Google drum.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: That makes me a little nervous, too,
32:06
SPEAKER_02: because you don't really want them the power to arbitrate winners and losers,
32:10
SPEAKER_02: but that's exactly what they want to take away from Google,
32:13
SPEAKER_02: and Google is doing such an abysmal job.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: They are stealing people's Property, intellectual property,
32:20
SPEAKER_02: they are paraphrasing things, they are eliminating businesses,
32:25
SPEAKER_02: like they are just making a wasteland of it.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't mind if they got spanked.
32:30
SPEAKER_00: They won't, but I can hope.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Google is everything that Walmart used to be accused of being.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: But so much worse.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: I will temper your optimism by reminding you that Bernie Sanders in his entire time
32:44
SPEAKER_00: in Congress has gotten three bills passed,
32:49
SPEAKER_00: two of which were renaming local post offices in Vermont.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: This is something that actually would get bipartisan support, though,
32:58
SPEAKER_02: and would be an easy win for Dems and is something that Dems could go out
33:02
SPEAKER_02: and use going into 28.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: So I could actually see some of that happening.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: I am in favor.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: We have antitrust acts for a reason that we haven't actually exercised against a lot
33:13
SPEAKER_00: of these companies.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Amazon, all these companies, go for it.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Have Elizabeth Warren, like, please, you now have the tools.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: And also, I don't think that Trump will be against most of them.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: If they go in and butter Trump up, he will vote for all of them.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: All they have to do is be like, we'll call it the Trump Act.
33:33
SPEAKER_02: And they can get all this done.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: They can go and campaign that they were the ones to end all these corporate welfare programs.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: And I mean, basically, we have like entrenched oligarchies in America with God.
33:46
SPEAKER_02: Now I really sound socialist.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: You do. I'm afraid. Yeah.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm I'm pro corporation.
33:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm like you said,
33:55
SPEAKER_02: if we have we have antitrust The
34:02
SPEAKER_00: thing is,
34:03
SPEAKER_00: in The Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith actually is very specific that you have
34:07
SPEAKER_00: to be careful that one company doesn't develop too much market dominance.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: And that's a lot of the success of the latter half,
34:18
SPEAKER_00: the first half of the 20th century of American success came
34:22
SPEAKER_00: from the government having done things like busting up Standard Oil.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, like, you know, a bunch of companies that later got so big
34:31
SPEAKER_00: that they themselves were busted up in the 90s.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: Started out as subdivisions of things like Standard Oil or Bell Telephone.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: So there is, in a functioning economy, again, I'm not a libertarian.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm not even vaguely a libertarian.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: The older I get, the less libertarian I am.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: There is a role for government oversight in the proper good operation of a healthy economy.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: Even libertarians would say that enforcing.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, no, because a lot of monopolies that we have now are that way
35:09
SPEAKER_02: because of government intervention.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, yes, because we we placed protections around these companies.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: So a libertarian would actually be OK with ending a lot of that.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: And that's why when I said like corporate welfare, that's what I mean.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Like we are.
35:24
SPEAKER_02: Promoting companies over others, that is not a pure free market function.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: We don't have a truly free market.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: If we did, that's a different conversation.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: There's a reason that a lot of these companies,
35:37
SPEAKER_00: as soon as they got through a certain size,
35:39
SPEAKER_00: immediately started advocating for being like, you know what,
35:41
SPEAKER_00: we're okay with all these policies that we were
35:43
SPEAKER_00: against before because now they're big.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: They calculate now they're big enough.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: It'll stop others from competing with them and it can't stop them now because they're too big.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: That is a really good segue into AI and what's happening.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: So if you're seeing so many people are trying to look for data center control,
36:02
SPEAKER_02: for AI control, the toothpaste is out of the tube.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: They are trying to put it back in a little bit.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: I am all for AI regulation.
36:11
SPEAKER_02: It is, I mean...
36:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm like praying every day to be able to wake up and have my job again.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't even want to grow.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: I just want what was mine.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: I work around the clock.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: I am very stressed.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: Things are dire, frankly, at the moment because of AI.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't mind some regulation.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm also really afraid of it because now we have Democrats in control that are going
36:37
SPEAKER_02: to be conducting all these things.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: AI is such a powerful tool that if we limit competition now, if we regulate it now,
36:46
SPEAKER_02: it's going to be the people that are in are the only ones in.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: And that gets a little scary.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: But I also welcome it because I am living proof of its negative power.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: So...
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, a decent joke of why the stock market went down as hard
37:04
SPEAKER_00: as it did yesterday, because I think a lot of traders woke up and realized,
37:08
SPEAKER_00: and I haven't looked today, I don't know what it's doing,
37:09
SPEAKER_00: but a lot of traders yesterday woke up and they said, that's right,
37:12
SPEAKER_00: Democrats took control of a lot of states, too,
37:14
SPEAKER_00: and they're going to start stopping data center construction entirely, aren't they?
37:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's data centers, but then also just other, it's Corporate tax rates and things.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: Tax rates went up in so many states.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: There's a new wealth tax in many states.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: If you look, I have seen a huge amount of people on the right
37:39
SPEAKER_00: on the internet suddenly super interested in moving to Florida, Tennessee, Wyoming.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Stop moving.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Stop moving.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: Stop moving to these states.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Put up a fight.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Look, I say that as someone who is But my registration's still in Colorado.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: I still own property in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_02: If I do move, I'm going to be moving to freaking Massachusetts,
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SPEAKER_02: which is no friendlier to conserve.
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SPEAKER_02: Actually, I think it is at the moment because we just had a bloodbath in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_02: But stay and fight for these places.
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SPEAKER_02: Stop moving to other places where you're just going to end up ruining them.
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SPEAKER_02: Stop driving up the cost in places.
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SPEAKER_02: It's Stay and fight, people.
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SPEAKER_02: If your ideas are worth having, stay and fight.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't move everyone to Florida so that we lose the rest of the freaking country.
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SPEAKER_00: The thing is, and I truly believe this and I observed this, People,
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SPEAKER_00: for the most part, are quite conservative in their lives.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we've discussed before that culturally Massachusetts is,
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SPEAKER_00: you said culturally Massachusetts is more conservative than Colorado is.
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SPEAKER_02: My parents are here this week.
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SPEAKER_02: We were walking around and it was night and we were at a restaurant.
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SPEAKER_02: We were walking back to my house and my mom was like, I wouldn't walk in the dark in Longmont.
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SPEAKER_02: Or like in Boulder.
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SPEAKER_02: She's like, I would not.
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SPEAKER_02: And she's like, I wouldn't be comfortable with my grandkids walking in the dark.
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SPEAKER_02: She's like, I'm like, not afraid at all here.
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SPEAKER_02: I've seen one homeless person the entire time I have lived in Massachusetts.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, granted, it's Massachusetts.
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SPEAKER_02: You got to go inside.
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SPEAKER_02: It's too cold.
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SPEAKER_02: But again, like I've seen one homeless person.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a homeless person that lives at the end of my road in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_02: And I live in a super rich, super wealthy area where There's not tent cities everywhere.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not used to that.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm used to walking downtown in Denver and being like really hyper aware
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SPEAKER_02: of my surroundings and I am here,
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SPEAKER_02: but like they don't have a lot of the problems that we have in the West
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SPEAKER_02: and it's shocking.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's long been the weird thing about New England in general,
39:50
SPEAKER_00: that New England is culturally very stodgy, very conservative in outlook.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: They have a habit of glomming on to these weird cultural trends like trans issues,
40:02
SPEAKER_00: like gay rights movement and whatnot.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: Because they've always, the puritanical streak doesn't mean there'll always be Puritans.
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SPEAKER_00: It means that they tend to be extreme in fanaticism for specific things.
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SPEAKER_02: And this really kills me to say as a proud Westerner, and I'm very much a Westerner at heart.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone always talks about like when you're in the West, in the Midwest, everyone's welcoming.
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SPEAKER_02: People here may sound rude and might not make eye contact with you,
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SPEAKER_02: but they're actually a lot more welcoming.
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SPEAKER_02: I will say that.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of the like trans and LGBTQ acceptance stuff comes
40:41
SPEAKER_02: from being like painfully...
40:46
SPEAKER_02: And I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.
40:50
SPEAKER_02: I do think it's a bad thing when you get to, you know, sterilizing kids and things like that.
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SPEAKER_02: But welcoming people who think differently or act differently,
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SPEAKER_02: so long as it's not impacting my daily life,
41:03
SPEAKER_02: so long as it's not impacting my church, I don't really care.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: I love that you're developing this newfound respect for the Northeast.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: I know, I hate it.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: I hate it so much.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a good thing to say about it.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: You need it.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: Cross.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no. So I think the Republican Party,
41:24
SPEAKER_00: I think it would be well served in finding a way to focus,
41:27
SPEAKER_00: really focus on the innate conservatism.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: I think even most, not the extreme left, but- Get back to family.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: Talk to moms.
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SPEAKER_02: Get out there and be like, moms, we know you can't fill up your car.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: We know that you can't serve beef.
41:44
SPEAKER_02: We know that you can't even think about how you're going to put kids through school.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: We know that you can't buy a house.
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SPEAKER_02: Talk to families again.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Why did we get away from that?
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Why did we just concede that they're gone?
41:57
SPEAKER_02: Women are not gone.
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SPEAKER_02: We just gave up.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, the challenge is that the answers are often difficult to parse in small ways.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: You've mentioned beef a few times.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: The problem with beef is that the cattle herd is really low.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: We had to kill off a whole huge number of cattle.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: There's not a lot you could do about that.
42:20
SPEAKER_00: Now, the answer people have given is, oh, well, we're not importing cows.
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SPEAKER_00: The reason we're not importing cows from Mexico is because there's an outbreak
42:29
SPEAKER_00: of the New World screw worm.
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SPEAKER_02: It was actually Canada gave us a lot more beef than Mexico,
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SPEAKER_02: and they do not have those problems.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: We also import a lot from New Zealand and Australia, and we tariffed.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, we did end up easing up on the beef tariffs after,
42:45
SPEAKER_02: but it was already too late.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: And that compounded with what we could have done is said, hey, there's a herd shortage.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: We know that we have a herd shortage.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: We know that it's going to take two, three years to start to correct the herd shortage.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't put a freaking tariff on something and just absolutely nuke the market out of the planet.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: I was, and to a degree am, receptive to the arguments behind Trump's tariffs.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I think they were far...
43:14
SPEAKER_02: This is where I plant my libertarian flag.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: They were far too broad and far too...
43:20
SPEAKER_00: But when you're talking about Canada, for instance, there has been forever...
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SPEAKER_00: An absurd tariff imbalance.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: Given that we're both under the North American Free or that we're under NAFTA,
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SPEAKER_00: the North American Free Trade Association, there was no – Canada has, in fact,
43:37
SPEAKER_00: for a very long time been levying large tariffs on American products
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SPEAKER_00: with no reciprocal tariffs.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: So I actually am – Sympathetic to the argument
43:46
SPEAKER_00: that it is inappropriate for America
43:51
SPEAKER_00: to just be accepting that we are giving an openness to their market
43:55
SPEAKER_00: when they are not giving the same to us,
43:57
SPEAKER_00: especially under the circumstances of working under treaties.
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SPEAKER_00: That are supposed to provide.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, Canada is all kind of messed up because apparently a lot
44:05
SPEAKER_00: of the time in Canada it is actually more cost efficient from a tariff perspective
44:10
SPEAKER_00: to shift products into America from like Alberta than then shift them from America
44:16
SPEAKER_00: into Ontario because they have massive tariffs between their provinces
44:21
SPEAKER_00: which is just nuts to me.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: I have to import something skincare-wise from Canada once a month,
44:30
SPEAKER_02: and I hate it every single time.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I'm assuming that's because- I like
44:35
SPEAKER_02: the brand,
44:35
SPEAKER_02: and they withdrew the product out of America because it wasn't selling well.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: It's a British company, but it's a fantastic product, and they took it out of it.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: It's fine in America.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't removed.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: They just weren't making a ton of money, so they only put it in Canada,
44:52
SPEAKER_02: and I'm like,
44:53
SPEAKER_00: The price of my HP sauce is going on.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: I'd like to point out, you're in Massachusetts.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: Just drive to Canada and buy it.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, now I'm going to.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: But like, you know, and moving here.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: I've only been here for a month or two.
45:07
SPEAKER_02: And my fresh stuff was withdrawn like two years ago.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: So I've been doing this for a while.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: Also, one of my best friends from high school sends me boxes.
45:18
SPEAKER_02: She lives in Vancouver. I know.
45:20
SPEAKER_02: We're very sweet like that.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: Vancouver.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: Vancouver, eh?
45:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: The world sucks. We'll see.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: The world's fine.
45:31
SPEAKER_02: Look, I honestly watched this election and everyone was freaking out.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: And we're in one group chat together.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: And you were like, just let them do.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, no, this is stupid.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: They need to pull their heads out of their butts.
45:43
SPEAKER_02: Like, we're fine.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: Everyone is fine.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Your life isn't over.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: America's not over.
45:50
SPEAKER_02: We're all still going.
45:51
SPEAKER_02: The sun rose.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: I will
45:55
SPEAKER_00: not blackpill. I'm not a blackpiller.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm not either.
46:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, I actually really am, but only on certain things. On this, I'm not.
46:05
SPEAKER_02: I honestly feel that this gives us an opportunity, which we probably will squander,
46:10
SPEAKER_02: but I am going to be optimistic and say that if we are open to the lessons,
46:17
SPEAKER_02: this only helps us.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Like I said,
46:22
SPEAKER_00: everybody hates the old establishment Republicans now.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: I have more sympathy with understanding why they dislike the old establishment Republicans.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: But what the establishment Republicans of yesteryear
46:34
SPEAKER_00: or the pre-Trump world understood was what I said, what I was saying,
46:38
SPEAKER_00: that— They had a very good system set up for developing power within states
46:43
SPEAKER_00: and just working up from there.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: But they had a very bottom-up outlook of you run
46:48
SPEAKER_00: who can win in the given state.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: You throw them a bone every once in a while to make sure they can vote
46:57
SPEAKER_00: against the party and things that we should be safe
46:59
SPEAKER_00: on so that they can keep their body.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: That's how you get people like Scott Walker being elected in...
47:06
SPEAKER_00: Massachusetts back in the day.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: So and we don't there is no organizational infrastructure like that in the current iteration.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: I think we need to rebuild that.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: We need to rebuild an understanding that you can't have the and perhaps moving
47:20
SPEAKER_00: on from Trump will allow this.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: You can't have these purity tests, these constant leave the purity tests to the progressives.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Conservatives need to think strategically,
47:31
SPEAKER_00: because that's generally our—that's what we bring to the table.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: What we bring to the table isn't being reactive.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: Progressives are reactive, definitely.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: Conservatives are slow, methodical, and try to think things through,
47:44
SPEAKER_00: so they shouldn't act like it.
47:45
SPEAKER_02: What I really like that you said there is rebuilding.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: This is a rebuilding year.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
47:52
SPEAKER_02: We're a football team.
47:54
SPEAKER_02: We've got to start from scratch,
47:56
SPEAKER_02: and— Clear some benches and fill other benches and swap out our coaches.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: So we need to make some metaphors there, but I want to go on baseball instead.
48:08
SPEAKER_00: We need to dig into the AAA and AA bench and see what's available for building up
48:15
SPEAKER_00: for the next run.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: I just, I don't think all is lost.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't see this particularly as a negative.
48:23
SPEAKER_02: I think it's really good to get wake-up calls.
48:25
SPEAKER_02: I am currently...
48:27
SPEAKER_02: 44 and living in a tiny apartment and panicking about my business because I was
48:34
SPEAKER_02: on autopilot for the last like 15 years and myself personally needed a wake up call
48:40
SPEAKER_02: and needed a, you know, kick in the pants.
48:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't think going through challenges is a bad thing.
48:46
SPEAKER_02: I think we can only grow from them.
48:48
SPEAKER_00: Don't black pill, never black pill.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: I literally just gave the case against blackpilling.
48:54
SPEAKER_00: That's the summation of this episode, Don't Blackpill. You can name it that.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: You should name it Don't Blackpill.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll let you do it.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: You did such a good job when you wrote up the summary for the one.
49:06
SPEAKER_02: Lately, I haven't been writing anything.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: Also, by the way, if you want to see me write more on those,
49:12
SPEAKER_02: please leave us a comment or come and chat with us on Substack
49:16
SPEAKER_02: because otherwise I feel like I'm talking to myself, which, again,
49:19
SPEAKER_02: I do all day every day.
49:21
SPEAKER_02: It's really not that interesting.
49:23
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll go ahead and promote this one on my account.
49:26
SPEAKER_02: I don't know. Is this the best run to promote?
49:28
SPEAKER_02: I feel like this is way better.
49:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is good.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: I think we did fine.
49:31
SPEAKER_02: We need to buckle down and work on our other project more because I'm really excited
49:38
SPEAKER_02: for people to see it.
49:39
SPEAKER_02: And I think that'll be a really cool other way to connect with us on things
49:42
SPEAKER_02: that have absolutely nothing to do with politics.
49:44
SPEAKER_02: So we can stop talking about all of this madness because honestly,
49:48
SPEAKER_02: we both are very interested in politics,
49:50
SPEAKER_02: but I think we're both kind of done with it for the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep. All right, I think that's good.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay. Bye.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye.