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The Late Debate | 5 August · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Lately.
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Speaker 2: General, welcome the late Blades.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening.
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Speaker 4: I'm James Macpherson with Liz stra and Caleb Bond. How
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Speaker 4: would you feel if you arrived home to find a
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Speaker 4: completely different family in your swimming pool? Will bring you
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Speaker 4: that strange story a little later. Plus, when we look
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Speaker 4: at the papers, Queensland Premier Stephen Miles promising if Queensland
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Speaker 4: has re elect him the government will open petrol stations
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Speaker 4: right across the state, and Anthony Albanezi blaming the Greens
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Speaker 4: for aggravating the domestic terror threat. We'll get to all
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Speaker 4: of that soon, but let's start in America. Donald Trump
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Speaker 4: doesn't call her crazy Nancy for no good reason. Former
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Speaker 4: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told CBS Sunday Morning
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Speaker 4: Show that Joe Biden had done such a great job
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Speaker 4: as president over the past four years he should be
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Speaker 4: memorialized alongside other greats like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
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Speaker 4: This was an idea that greatly amused even the Democrat
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Speaker 4: friend Le TV host have a look.
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Speaker 5: Such a consequential president of the United States, a Mount
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Speaker 5: Rushmore kind of president of the United States, wants to
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Speaker 5: know what comes next that he belongs up there on
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Speaker 5: Mount Rushmore.
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Speaker 6: Lincoln and Joe Biden.
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Speaker 5: Well, you got Teddy Roosevelt up there, and he's wonderful.
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Speaker 5: I don't say take him down, but you can add Biden.
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Speaker 4: And now, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should not
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Speaker 4: drink vodka for breakfast.
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Speaker 3: But it kind of makes sense, doesn't it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the Democrats pushed him off the cliff, and
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Speaker 4: now they want to engrave him on the cliff.
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Speaker 3: But what if they actually did it?
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Speaker 4: How would you encapsulate all that it is to be
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden? How would you memorialize him so that future
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Speaker 4: generations he didn't know much about him, could just glance
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Speaker 4: up at the rock face and immediately understand the kind
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Speaker 4: of man that he was. Well, an artist has come
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Speaker 4: up with this idea.
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Speaker 3: Take a look.
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Speaker 4: You can see there Joe Biden on the far left,
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Speaker 4: his head turned so that he can get a good
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Speaker 4: sniff of George Washington's heir, Liza Reckon.
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Speaker 3: That would work.
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Speaker 7: I like that, it's an accurate depiction. I really like that.
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Speaker 7: That really is.
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Speaker 8: Art depicting life, you know, and vice versa. But seriously,
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Speaker 8: I would have loved the interviewer to then ask Pelosi,
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Speaker 8: can you show us a list of accomplishments that you
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Speaker 8: think I'm deserving of such an honor to be up
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Speaker 8: there with two of our founding fathers, one guy Abraham Lincoln.
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Speaker 7: Best known as a martyr.
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Speaker 8: Abolish slavery, incredible man all round. And she is like, well,
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Speaker 8: you know you've got Roosevelt, so why shouldn't everyone be
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Speaker 8: up there? Basically, look, nobody knows how Teddy Roosevelt made it. Okay,
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Speaker 8: we're all confused, but he did.
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Speaker 7: And the rock face looks great as it is, please
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Speaker 7: don't touch it.
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Speaker 8: But if you were to pull out a list of
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Speaker 8: accomplishments of this Biden presidency, you'd be like, well, there's
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Speaker 8: the ten million plus illegal immigrants, that's something. There's the
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Speaker 8: disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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Speaker 7: That's something.
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Speaker 8: There's record high inflation and interest rates much like here
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Speaker 8: in Australia.
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Speaker 7: They're suffering big time in America. And the list goes on.
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Speaker 8: There is no American alive, even even the most devout
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Speaker 8: Democrats who would seriously think we should start chiseling away
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Speaker 8: at Mount Rushmore to immortalize the Biden presidency forever.
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Speaker 2: It's just amazing isn't it like the dude has barely
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Speaker 2: lasted his four year term. He's not allowed to run
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Speaker 2: again because his brain is totally gone. And this is
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Speaker 2: the guy that Nancy Pelosi reckons should be added to
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Speaker 2: Mount Rushville. He's done nothing to deserve it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: and she just completely looked over Bill Clinton, a great
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Speaker 2: of her party. You know, Bill, but at least Bill's
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Speaker 2: got his facts.
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Speaker 7: I did have some relation.
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Speaker 2: Well, he go well with the Joe Biden up there
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Speaker 2: one doing the sniffing, and well, we don't know what's
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Speaker 2: going on on the lower half of Bill Clinton on
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Speaker 2: what about Ronald Reagan? I mean, there are so many
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Speaker 2: other former presidents you would put up there, how pretinuous
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Speaker 2: the link may be. Before you put Joe Biden up
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Speaker 2: the hive and say Donald Trump just copped a bullet
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Speaker 2: to the head and he's still standing.
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Speaker 1: He should be on.
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Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore before Joe Biden dreckon.
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Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi has accidentally let it slip how they persuaded
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden to actually will contest.
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Speaker 3: Will gitch you.
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Speaker 1: We'll get your rush for Joe.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
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Speaker 4: And the only reason the Biden's a bit pissed off
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Speaker 4: about that dealer is because Jill wanted to be up
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Speaker 4: there as well, and I.
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Speaker 3: Can't believe that she's not. But I mean, how's the
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Speaker 3: gas lighting.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we've been told that Kamala Harris is suddenly
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Speaker 4: this amazing leader who's just incredible, So.
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Speaker 3: That sort of being gas lit on that front.
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Speaker 4: But now we've been gas lit that Joe Biden is
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Speaker 4: one of the great figures of history.
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Speaker 3: That's like Olympic level.
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Speaker 8: It is, it is where he belong on Mount Rushmore.
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Speaker 8: But you can't go past the polls in America for
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Speaker 8: gas lighting. At the moment, of course, there was just
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Speaker 8: a matter of time.
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Speaker 7: Now that Kamala is.
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Speaker 8: The best thing since slice spread, despite being wildly unpopular
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Speaker 8: previous in her own lay party and as the most
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Speaker 8: unpopular VP in American history.
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Speaker 7: No, no, Now, the polls would have you believe that
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Speaker 7: she is neck and neck with Trump. Believe it or not.
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Speaker 8: Yes, this latest poll to come out is exactly asking
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Speaker 8: you to believe that she is. It's fifty to fifty guys,
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Speaker 8: it's down to the wire.
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Speaker 7: We don't know who's going to get it. She's just
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Speaker 7: that popular all of a sudden.
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Speaker 8: Now The Trump campaign has come out and called this
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Speaker 8: a furfee. Senior campaign advisor Brian Hughes has said, the
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Speaker 8: fake news media continue to help dangerously liberal Kamala hide
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Speaker 8: her record of economic failure and soft on crime policies,
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Speaker 8: as this analysis shows, they'll even put a finger on
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Speaker 8: the scale of polling to inflate.
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Speaker 2: Results for her.
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Speaker 8: Now, this wasn't dissimilar to a poll that came out
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Speaker 8: just last week. It was a Reuter's ipsauce pole that
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Speaker 8: also had her.
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Speaker 7: So close to Trump. Everyone was like, shock pole, shop pole.
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Speaker 8: I'm like, it's really not a shock poll once the
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Speaker 8: media machine gets behind a candidate, and that poll showed
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Speaker 8: once you scratch beneath the surface. They had, of course
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Speaker 8: achieved this by over sampling Democrats. So in that poll
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Speaker 8: they'd sampled four hundred and twenty six Dems versus three
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Speaker 8: hundred and seventy six Republicans and three hundred and forty
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Speaker 8: one Independence. So you can already see that slider inequality
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Speaker 8: there that they're.
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Speaker 7: Relying on to bump up a pole that is like
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Speaker 7: shop pole. Their neck and neck.
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Speaker 8: You guys won't believe what's happening, But I don't believe
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Speaker 8: how this is doing the Kamala campaign any favors.
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Speaker 7: They don't have mandatory voting over there.
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Speaker 8: So if you're telling Democrat minded people, actually, she's doing really.
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Speaker 7: Well, she's kind of got this in the bag, they
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Speaker 7: may not even venture out to the polls.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't see what is to be gained in inflating
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Speaker 2: any polls. And I don't see what's to be gained
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Speaker 2: for the Trump campaign to complain about the roles even
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Speaker 2: if they are inflated. And as you know, we often
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Speaker 2: hear leaders in this country say, you know, there's only
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Speaker 2: one pole that matters, and that's the one on voting day.
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Speaker 2: And it's a bit cliche, but it is the reality.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: They're all the other polls that come, they don't matter.
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Speaker 2: The only pole that matters is the one on election day.
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Speaker 2: So you know, if they're diddling polls, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if they're trying to get into this manifesting business, which is.
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Speaker 1: You know, some sort of mental trick. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: that book The Secret? And I think it then turned it.
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Speaker 2: Into a TV and all about how you imagine things
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Speaker 2: and then they come true. And people would tell stories
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Speaker 2: about how much when they go to the shopping center.
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Speaker 2: They imagine that there's going to be a car park
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Speaker 2: three spots up from the front door, and then magically
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Speaker 2: there's a car part there. I don't know whether they're thinking, Gee,
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Speaker 2: if we just make the polls look like Carmala is
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Speaker 2: going to win, then it means Camala is going to win.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The world just doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: Like that, so I can't see what there is to
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Speaker 2: gain from it. And we know that even if you
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Speaker 2: are trying to manifest these things into being. Let's just
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Speaker 2: go back to twenty nineteen here in this country, where
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Speaker 2: of course News poll, all the other polls, all the
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Speaker 2: polls said that it was just going to be a
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Speaker 2: walk over Labor victory and sports bet I remember at
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Speaker 2: the time paid out everyone who had a bet on
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Speaker 2: Labor a week before the election because they thought it
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Speaker 2: was just done and dusted.
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Speaker 1: There was no way the.
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Speaker 2: Coalition was going to win, and then of course it
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Speaker 2: went very differently on election night. Now, polling methodology has
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Speaker 2: been changed significantly in Australia since then, and use poll
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Speaker 2: in particular, if you look at the subsequent elections, has
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Speaker 2: been very close to the mark. But if you're diddling it,
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Speaker 2: who fought what there's there's nothing to be gained at.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: I wonder if they've got two stages to this, right,
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Speaker 4: and they're still in the first stage where they're trying
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Speaker 4: to convince everybody that Kamala Harris is a legitimate candidate
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Speaker 4: and their right to put her there. Because we all
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Speaker 4: laughed at we thought it was a great joke that
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Speaker 4: they might actually go with Kamala Harris. They've done that,
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Speaker 4: and now they're trying to convince us no, no, she's legitimate.
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Speaker 4: The whole country believes in her. Look how well she's
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Speaker 4: doing in the polls. And then what they should do
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Speaker 4: is they should as they get closer to the election,
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Speaker 4: then start to warn Trump's going to win this if
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Speaker 4: you don't get out and vote and make themselves the underdog.
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Speaker 4: Have listened to former Obama advisor David Axelrod. I love
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Speaker 4: that surname, advising that Trump is the man in pole
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Speaker 4: position and it's his election to lose. Clearly, he wants
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Speaker 4: the Democrats to be underdogs because that will motivate people
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Speaker 4: to get out and vote.
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Speaker 9: There is absolutely Trump's raised to lose. Right now. He
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Speaker 9: is ahead, and he is ahead most of the battleground states.
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Speaker 9: They're close, they could be won by either candidate, but
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Speaker 9: there is a lot to be determined the next ninety
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Speaker 9: whatever it there is ninety six or whatever it is left.
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Speaker 4: So the Dems want to be the underdog, and Trump
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Speaker 4: should want to be the underdog as well. Also, I
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Speaker 4: don't think it helps Trump focusing on things.
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Speaker 2: Like fake poles.
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Speaker 3: You're rigging the poles, focus on his record for four.
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Speaker 4: Years as president, and focus on Kamala Harris's non existent
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Speaker 4: record as vice president. And it doesn't help Trump to
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Speaker 4: be talking about conspiracy theories and they're rigging the poles.
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Speaker 4: Even if they are doing that, I think people are
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Speaker 4: over all that kind of stuff. Talk about what you're
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Speaker 4: going to do as president as compared to Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 4: and make yourself the underdog so that people are motivated
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Speaker 4: to get out and vote.
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Speaker 8: If I was on the Trump campaign, I'd just be like,
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Speaker 8: do not be telling people that these poles are in
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Speaker 8: any way tamped mind, because if they believe that she
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Speaker 8: could actually beat us, they are going to campaign like
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Speaker 8: never before, they are going to donate like never before.
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Speaker 7: They are going to put fire under our feet, and
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Speaker 7: we need that boost let's have it.
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Speaker 8: Let's have it, like you're really energizing the Trump base,
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Speaker 8: which also begs the question why Kamala's people would want this,
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Speaker 8: especially at this stage. I mean, it's very early on
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Speaker 8: in the honeymoon stage.
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Speaker 7: She will get a boost after.
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Speaker 8: The DNC once she officially becomes nominee at the end
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Speaker 8: of their National Conference, which is coming up this month.
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Speaker 7: Her honeymoon period is this is just the early stages.
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Speaker 8: It's only going to get better for her as the
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Speaker 8: Kamala hysteria, the good kind of hysteria.
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Speaker 7: Really continues to build her up, build her up more.
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Speaker 8: Trump can weaponize that instead of saying, oh, it's fake.
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Speaker 7: Just roll with it. It's all true.
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Speaker 8: So we need you guys, We need you guys to
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Speaker 8: get out there and volte, we need you guys.
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Speaker 7: To donate, etc.
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Speaker 1: Etc.
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Speaker 8: I don't understand why they're now focusing on pointing out
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Speaker 8: the fact that they're.
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Speaker 2: Being and I don't think the holing at this point
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Speaker 2: in time is that unbelievable either. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: everything these days get sort of broken down into an acronym. Right,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it ABB The phenomenon is anyone but
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Speaker 2: Biden right, and so Dems, even though it's Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 2: just like it's not Joe Biden. Anything is better than
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. And that's why they've had such a surge
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Speaker 2: of donations after Kamala replaced him as the presumptive candidate,
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Speaker 2: because it's like, Okay, at least we've got someone here who,
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Speaker 2: you know, even though the words they drink together a
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Speaker 2: bit ordinary.
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Speaker 1: They can actually they can actually get a sentence.
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Speaker 2: Out without like freezing on stage. It doesn't make a
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Speaker 2: great deal of sense, but she doesn't freeze on stage,
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Speaker 2: and so she has that sort of momentum by not
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Speaker 2: being Biden behind her that, as Liz just said, we'll
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Speaker 2: pick up again after the DNC.
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Speaker 1: The question is.
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Speaker 2: Whether or not she can sustain that through until November.
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Speaker 2: And much like in politics, you know, you rely on
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Speaker 2: the polling, the big poll being the one that comes
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Speaker 2: through on election day.
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Speaker 1: Here in the media, we rely on ratings.
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Speaker 2: You don't go to the ballot box to choose us,
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Speaker 2: but you turn on your teley or you turn on
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Speaker 2: your radio, or you go to a website to choose
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Speaker 2: the stuff that you want to consume. And you haven't
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Speaker 2: been consuming the ABC as much as you used to.
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Speaker 2: We certainly know that from their most recent annual report,
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Speaker 2: which said that people going to their websites and apps
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Speaker 2: has been down twenty three percent. So the AABC has
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Speaker 2: been scratching its head, go ge, what can we do
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Speaker 2: about this? We've got to get more people back to
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Speaker 2: the ABC. We know their ratings on radio have been
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Speaker 2: in free fall, so they've gone on an advertising offensive
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Speaker 2: and the latest numbers that have been released under FOI,
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Speaker 2: this was an FOI request from the Institute of Public
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Speaker 2: Affairs that was published in The Australian Today, shows that
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Speaker 2: there's been a thirty three percent increase in the spending
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Speaker 2: at the ABC's Advertising, Promotions and Audience Research department in
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Speaker 2: the past twelve months. It's gone up to twenty one
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Speaker 2: point four to one million dollars. Twelve point five two
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Speaker 2: million dollars. Of that is their advertising spend, which has
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Speaker 2: gone up by fifty one percent. The advertising spend has
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Speaker 2: basically doubled, which is pretty incredible, even though the ads
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Speaker 2: aren't working. Of course, the IBA's Deputy Executive Director, Daniel Wilde,
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Speaker 2: who commissioned this FOI request, He said the ABC is
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Speaker 2: no longer an institution of cultural importance in Australia as
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Speaker 2: it once was. The ABC fails to represent the diverse
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Speaker 2: views of the community. Despite receiving billions in taxpayer funds
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Speaker 2: each year. Australians have little faith in the independence and
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Speaker 2: integrity of the taxpayer funded broadcaster. Spending millions of taxpayer
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Speaker 2: dollars to promote itself will not change this. And of
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Speaker 2: course he is right. And I've wondered quite a few
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Speaker 2: times seeing advertisements for the ABC. Why does the ABC
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Speaker 2: need to be advertised at all? I mean, we know
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Speaker 2: that the ABC exists, we know that we fund it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's an Australian alive who isn't aware
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Speaker 2: of the existence of the ABC. They know exactly how
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Speaker 2: to engage with the ABC. They know that all of
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Speaker 2: the ABC's content is free, whether it be on radio, television, abciview.
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Speaker 2: You know, all their products are entirely free, so they
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Speaker 2: can find them any which way they like. But they
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Speaker 2: want to enter the same market as the rest of us.
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Speaker 2: They want to compete with commercial media, so they take
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Speaker 2: out advertisements, which in some way is good for us
15:31
Speaker 2: because they pay us to run their ads. For some
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Speaker 2: odd reason, I've seen ads for the ABC on Fox Footy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the ABC is doing
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Speaker 2: advertising on Fox Footy, but if you want to reappropriate
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Speaker 2: some of the taxpayer money to come to our company
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Speaker 2: news corps, then go for your life.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know why they have to advertise in
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Speaker 1: the first place.
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Speaker 2: And I remember what nearly ten years ago or about
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Speaker 2: ten years ago, Sharing Markson of this network, who was
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Speaker 2: then at The Australian as their media editor, was reporting
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Speaker 2: on the fact that the ABC was buying up Google
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Speaker 2: ad space so that if you would search for a
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Speaker 2: news story and you know, obviously this wasn't a story
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Speaker 2: at the time, but let's say you looked up Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump assassination. They were essentially paying Google to prioritize ABC
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Speaker 2: news stories above those of other media organizations. The rest
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Speaker 2: of us have to compete to earn a dollar out
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Speaker 2: of advertising. The ABC, meanwhile, which gets money no questions
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Speaker 2: asked from the federal government, is paying for advertising space
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Speaker 2: to squeeze out commercial competitors.
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Speaker 1: It's not in their remit.
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Speaker 4: The funniest thing about this story is it proves the
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Speaker 4: more the ABC advertise themselves to Australians, the less Australians
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Speaker 4: are inclined to watch.
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Speaker 3: The more we know, the more we are likely to
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Speaker 3: turn off.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they don't need to spend what was it,
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Speaker 4: twenty one point four million dollars on advertising, promotion and
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Speaker 4: audience research. I mean we could tell them for free
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Speaker 4: people will watch if they just provided balance. And as
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Speaker 4: for audience research, seven point five million was spent on that.
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Speaker 4: You've got to wonder where they did the audience research.
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking new Town, South Yarra, maybe Highgate Hill in Brisbane.
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Speaker 4: Judging by what they produce, if that's the result of
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Speaker 4: the audience research, clearly they're not getting a very good overview.
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Speaker 4: And maybe if they didn't use that slogan trusted news
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Speaker 4: and Information for their advertising campaign, it might go a
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Speaker 4: little better.
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Speaker 3: People tend to think, yeah, I'm not so sure.
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Speaker 8: Honestly, the old adage of marketing, anyone who's in it
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Speaker 8: knows it. If your product's that good, you don't have
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Speaker 8: to sell it that hard ABC And the fact that
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Speaker 8: you guys are free and most other people aren't that
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Speaker 8: already gives you the biggest advantage in any market.
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Speaker 7: It's all yours, and they're just pissing it up a
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Speaker 7: wall because go Boke go broke.
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Speaker 8: That is exactly what has happened at the ABC, and
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Speaker 8: the fact that they've never been spending more on this
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Speaker 8: and their ratings have never been that low comparatively when
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Speaker 8: you compare the two says everything, I would love to
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Speaker 8: see this is never going to happen, but a girl
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Speaker 8: can dream.
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Speaker 7: I would love to see the ABC go subscriber only.
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Speaker 8: Even if it wasn't expensive, say it was, say it
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Speaker 8: was five bucks a month. I would love to see
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Speaker 8: how many people were actually willing to put their hands
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Speaker 8: in their pockets for the kind of content these guys
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Speaker 8: put out. That that would answer a lot of questions,
18:34
Speaker 8: even for the ABC, because it's like, well, we're advertising,
18:37
Speaker 8: We're spending millions of dollars on this to get eyes
18:40
Speaker 8: on our product.
18:41
Speaker 7: It's not working.
18:43
Speaker 8: If we charged people for it, we'd see how many
18:47
Speaker 8: people even thought it was worth anything.
18:49
Speaker 7: They're getting it for free and they don't want it,
18:52
Speaker 7: or the very least, you.
18:52
Speaker 2: Could hive of parts of the ABS. I don't think
18:55
Speaker 2: you could take the whole ABC to a subscriber only model,
18:57
Speaker 2: because then you would be, you know, telling people out
19:00
Speaker 2: in the regions that they essentially have to free news.
19:04
Speaker 7: And also the classical music as I offer.
19:08
Speaker 2: Made classic AFM. I refuse to call it ABC classic.
19:11
Speaker 2: It's ClassicFM still in March.
19:13
Speaker 3: And the cricket is and the cricket cricket on the radio.
19:15
Speaker 1: They're the good bits of the ABC.
19:17
Speaker 4: If we keep going, we'll come up with justification for
19:19
Speaker 4: the way it should not be.
19:22
Speaker 2: This is true, but the rural and regional stuff is
19:26
Speaker 2: traditionally what the ABC has done best and has done
19:30
Speaker 2: so well. But because what you have seen over the
19:33
Speaker 2: last decade fifteen years is that they've been taking jobs
19:38
Speaker 2: out of the regions and centralizing them in ultimo at
19:42
Speaker 2: its headquarters in Sydney, and they've made some attempt now
19:46
Speaker 2: to to move some of their programming out to Paramata
19:49
Speaker 2: because that will really show those hoity toity people at
19:53
Speaker 2: the ABC or you have to mix among the real people.
19:56
Speaker 1: Now.
19:57
Speaker 2: I don't know what difference it's made moving their broadcast
20:00
Speaker 2: studios out to Paramatta instead of Altamo.
20:03
Speaker 1: But again it was just like, oh, well, we're trying
20:06
Speaker 1: to look like we're doing something.
20:07
Speaker 2: If we're going to try and look like you're doing something,
20:09
Speaker 2: how about you don't cut journalists in the regions and
20:12
Speaker 2: you don't cut rural journalists. In fact, cut jobs in
20:16
Speaker 2: the city and send those journals out of the regions,
20:19
Speaker 2: send them out to rural towns, have them reporting on
20:22
Speaker 2: the ground, doing stuff that no one else is doing.
20:24
Speaker 1: That's what we want to do.
20:26
Speaker 8: Rushville National Broadcaster would do no, but they're severely confused.
20:32
Speaker 3: For all the money they're spending on research.
20:34
Speaker 4: They got some free advice and some pretty good advice
20:36
Speaker 4: actually from their chair, Kim Williams. He addressed Radio National
20:40
Speaker 4: staff last month. A lincked recording was made available to
20:45
Speaker 4: the media, and apparently he's told them that they should
20:49
Speaker 4: start improving the service by actually reporting news on their
20:52
Speaker 4: news sites rather than soft edge of lifestyle stories.
20:57
Speaker 1: I know.
20:58
Speaker 4: By the way I like this about Williams is we've
21:00
Speaker 4: got a chair who's actually chairing and getting involved.
21:04
Speaker 7: We know he's read their charter.
21:07
Speaker 8: That's very impressive for an ABC check listened to what
21:10
Speaker 8: he said.
21:10
Speaker 3: He gave some good advice.
21:11
Speaker 4: He said, and I quote, I think people have in
21:13
Speaker 4: moments of public torment, crisis, division, challenges to leadership. Are
21:17
Speaker 4: right to be able to access it from us reliably
21:21
Speaker 4: and immediately, not to suddenly see a lifestyle story being
21:24
Speaker 4: number one or two or three on their data platforms.
21:28
Speaker 4: He told staff during that meeting that he'd checked that
21:31
Speaker 4: day to see what were the number one stories they
21:33
Speaker 4: were promoting on their website and apps, and he told
21:37
Speaker 4: the journalists there was not a single state political story,
21:40
Speaker 4: not a single story on Ukraine, on Gaza, or on
21:43
Speaker 4: the French election that was happening at the time, but
21:46
Speaker 4: there are.
21:46
Speaker 3: A lot of sort of soft lifestyle stories.
21:48
Speaker 4: Now Radio National has an audience share of just one
21:51
Speaker 4: point five percent in Sydney and one point six percent
21:55
Speaker 4: in Melbourne, so maybe you could get people reading your
21:58
Speaker 4: news and listening to it if you reported it. And
22:01
Speaker 4: then he went on to say this, which I thought
22:02
Speaker 4: was interesting. When you consider the ABC get just over
22:05
Speaker 4: a billion dollars of taxpayer money, you'd think they could
22:07
Speaker 4: use it wisely. But he also criticized the way they
22:11
Speaker 4: structure and set up their business. Apparently everyone at the
22:13
Speaker 4: ABC is working in silos. He told them, the ABC
22:17
Speaker 4: has this myriad of services which are extremely proficient at
22:21
Speaker 4: not cross promoting each other. They're extremely practiced and developed
22:25
Speaker 4: in the art of ignoring each other.
22:27
Speaker 3: And I think that is not only to be regretted
22:29
Speaker 3: but is to be rejected.
22:31
Speaker 4: So not only are they not doing a good job
22:33
Speaker 4: of reporting the news, but they're not doing a great
22:36
Speaker 4: job leveraging the incredible advantages they get from a one
22:40
Speaker 4: point something billion dollars worth of taxpayer money.
22:42
Speaker 2: I know. And it's much like you look at the
22:45
Speaker 2: nine network now, which has radio assets, print assets and
22:49
Speaker 2: television assets, and they are very good at cross promoting.
22:53
Speaker 2: I mean Nick McKenzie, the investigative reporter over at nine,
22:57
Speaker 2: he's on sixty minutes, he's in the Sydney Morning, is
23:00
Speaker 2: in the age, he pops up on the radio. They're
23:02
Speaker 2: very good at using their talent across all of their
23:04
Speaker 2: bits and pieces, which is exactly what the ABC should
23:07
Speaker 2: be doing. Why have one person do the story on
23:11
Speaker 2: the website and then a different person do the story
23:14
Speaker 2: on the radio, and then another person do the story
23:16
Speaker 2: on the TV when you could.
23:18
Speaker 1: Have the one person do all of the reports because
23:20
Speaker 1: they've only got it.
23:20
Speaker 2: Right at once, they've just got it presented in different
23:23
Speaker 2: ways for different formats. Right, you can have one person
23:26
Speaker 2: do the job of what is currently three people's jobs.
23:29
Speaker 2: And all of this goes back to what I was
23:30
Speaker 2: saying before about the ABC trying to muscle into the
23:34
Speaker 2: commercial market. And it also goes to why the ABC
23:38
Speaker 2: has spent so much money on an increased spend on
23:42
Speaker 2: advertising and particular audience research, because what the ABC is
23:46
Speaker 2: worried about is that when they go to the federal
23:49
Speaker 2: government and ask for more money, and Kim Williams has
23:52
Speaker 2: already indicated that he wants more money out of the
23:54
Speaker 2: federal government, they have to be able to go over
23:57
Speaker 2: and say, well, we're getting x number of readers, X
23:59
Speaker 2: numbers of listeners, x number of viewers every month.
24:02
Speaker 1: We're increasing this, we're increasing that.
24:04
Speaker 2: And lifestyle content is traditionally good clickbait content. It's soft,
24:10
Speaker 2: it's stuff that you're quite happy to click on and
24:12
Speaker 2: have a Now, you might only spend thirty seconds on it, right,
24:15
Speaker 2: but it entices the reader in which then can artificially
24:18
Speaker 2: inflate your readership numbers. Now that's good for commercial media
24:22
Speaker 2: because you can sell advertising in that space, and that's
24:25
Speaker 2: the lifeblood of any commercial media organization. The great thing
24:29
Speaker 2: about the ABC is that they don't have to worry
24:32
Speaker 2: about their revenue stream. They don't have to go after
24:35
Speaker 2: the lowest common denominator to generate revenue. And then do
24:40
Speaker 2: the good work on the side. The ABC can just
24:42
Speaker 2: do the good work all the time because the billion
24:45
Speaker 2: dollars ain't going anywhere. They shouldn't be doing the lifestyle
24:49
Speaker 2: content at all. They should be purely focused on news
24:52
Speaker 2: and Australian television and Australian radio content that engages readers,
24:57
Speaker 2: listeners and viewers.
24:59
Speaker 1: And is good for the broader public.
25:01
Speaker 2: They don't need to do lifestyle, but they see it
25:03
Speaker 2: as the easy way to inflate their numbers to then
25:06
Speaker 2: get more revenue. So they're reverse engineering it to try
25:09
Speaker 2: and achieve what they ultimately want to achieve. When they
25:11
Speaker 2: could just go, well, bugger it, let's just spend all
25:14
Speaker 2: of our money on investigative journalism. I don't think anyone
25:16
Speaker 2: would complain about that.
25:17
Speaker 3: Why don't we give the last word to Kim Williams himself.
25:20
Speaker 3: Liz will love this clip.
25:21
Speaker 4: This is when he became chair back in March, and
25:23
Speaker 4: this is the advice he gave again for free to
25:26
Speaker 4: ABC journalists if they want people to actually tune in,
25:29
Speaker 4: you know, if you don't want to reflect a view
25:33
Speaker 4: that aspires to impartiality, don't work at the ABC. There,
25:39
Speaker 4: Lizzie can't be critical of that. If you don't want impartiality,
25:42
Speaker 4: don't work at the ABC.
25:43
Speaker 2: None.
25:44
Speaker 7: But I'm afraid looks as great as that sounds. Have
25:48
Speaker 7: we seen any changes since March? Have we seen any
25:51
Speaker 7: changes of the ABC? And now we haven't. I've said
25:55
Speaker 7: it before and I'll say it again.
25:56
Speaker 8: If Maurice Newman as chairman could not turn the ABC und,
26:00
Speaker 8: I don't know that anybody can, because my money would
26:03
Speaker 8: have been on him. And obviously, and as we've said
26:06
Speaker 8: many times.
26:06
Speaker 7: Before, this is an organization wide thing.
26:11
Speaker 8: So it almost doesn't matter whose chairman, as much as
26:14
Speaker 8: we like to pay out on them, Sorry Ada Bartros,
26:17
Speaker 8: because obviously they've got some leverage, but they're not running
26:21
Speaker 8: the show. And so even when they do talk good,
26:25
Speaker 8: solid common sense.
26:26
Speaker 7: I don't think it's anything to get excited about.
26:28
Speaker 8: Because of the thousands of people working for this organization,
26:33
Speaker 8: we know that they are biased, and we know that
26:36
Speaker 8: they're churning out lifestyle stories they've got there. Something that
26:40
Speaker 8: always just absolutely blows my mind is the ABC queer
26:46
Speaker 8: content on Instagram, and a lot of that is the
26:50
Speaker 8: kind of content that you really hope that younger people
26:52
Speaker 8: aren't seeing because it's simply not appropriate, and you wonder
26:57
Speaker 8: how many taxpayer dollars are going in to advertising this. Kids,
27:03
Speaker 8: as we know, are far too young on Instagram these days,
27:06
Speaker 8: Instagram in particular that kind of thing where you're like,
27:09
Speaker 8: what is our national broadcaster doing when, like you say,
27:14
Speaker 8: Caleb could just be covering the news, wouldn't that be great?
27:17
Speaker 3: You mentioned Ida Buttros.
27:18
Speaker 4: By the way, the funny thing about Ida Buttro's and
27:20
Speaker 4: Kim Williams is we've heard I think more from Ida
27:23
Speaker 4: Buttros since she stopped.
27:24
Speaker 3: Being the chair.
27:26
Speaker 4: At least Kim Williams is making statements while he's running
27:29
Speaker 4: the show and trying to.
27:30
Speaker 3: Have an effort.
27:31
Speaker 2: But this is the danger though, is never Kim Williams
27:33
Speaker 2: that you know, he goes in there and tries to
27:35
Speaker 2: do something and then ultimately can't do anything because the
27:38
Speaker 2: staff run the show, which is I'm assuming what Ida
27:41
Speaker 2: Buttro's came up against, right Like, I'm sure she went
27:44
Speaker 2: in there, given how vocal she's been now, I'm sure
27:46
Speaker 2: she tried to do something while she was in there,
27:48
Speaker 2: but she quickly worked out that the animals are running
27:51
Speaker 2: the zoo, so now she can finally say what she
27:54
Speaker 2: actually thinks because she couldn't do it from the inside.
27:56
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with that sort.
27:58
Speaker 2: Of blowing the ABC up. And again I'm not sure
28:01
Speaker 2: you how you actually fix the place.
28:03
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Yeah, I'm not sure you can blow it up.
28:05
Speaker 4: Let's go to the UK where they're experiencing some of
28:08
Speaker 4: the worst riots they've seen in well over a decade.
28:11
Speaker 4: It all began last Monday when three girls were stabbed
28:15
Speaker 4: to death by a seventeen year old young man born
28:19
Speaker 4: in England but believed to be the son of migrants. Well,
28:23
Speaker 4: that event has caused mass riots by people angry about immigration,
28:28
Speaker 4: and then counter protests by immigrants themselves. Now will show
28:32
Speaker 4: you some of the footage from the riots in a moment,
28:34
Speaker 4: but it's worth having a listen first to newly installed
28:37
Speaker 4: PM Keir Starmer condemning the riots and specifically what he
28:42
Speaker 4: calls far right thuggery.
28:44
Speaker 3: Have listened.
28:46
Speaker 10: I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend.
28:52
Speaker 10: Be it no doubt those that have participated in this
28:56
Speaker 10: violence will face the full force of the law. The
29:01
Speaker 10: police will be making arrests, individuals will be held on
29:05
Speaker 10: remand charges will follow and convictions will follow.
29:12
Speaker 4: All right, so if you're not familiar with what's been happening,
29:14
Speaker 4: have looked at this footage which shows the scale of
29:18
Speaker 4: the riots that have happened over the past week. These
29:36
Speaker 4: rights are happening right across the country. Have looked at
29:38
Speaker 4: this vision from outside our holiday inn where migrants will
29:42
Speaker 4: believe to be being accommodated, and check out the crowd
29:46
Speaker 4: trying to break into the hotel.
29:56
Speaker 2: The other.
30:00
Speaker 4: Now, people upset about unsustainably high levels of immigration and
30:05
Speaker 4: some of the violence that that has brought to the
30:07
Speaker 4: UK and other trouble they've been met by counter protesters
30:10
Speaker 4: chanting a la akba. I want to show you just
30:26
Speaker 4: one more piece of vision before we talk about it.
30:28
Speaker 4: Have a look at the police struggling to contain Actually,
30:31
Speaker 4: this is not the one with the police. This is
30:33
Speaker 4: a guy being beaten up on the street by an
30:35
Speaker 4: angry mob, just one guy trying to escape them, and
30:50
Speaker 4: as I said, police struggling to contain it. Okay, so
31:09
Speaker 4: it's just mayhem over there. Liz, give us your take.
31:11
Speaker 4: What on earth is going on?
31:13
Speaker 7: I think this was always bound to happen.
31:16
Speaker 8: I've always believed I don't believe in multiculturalism. I believe
31:20
Speaker 8: in a multi ethnic society, absolutely, but when you have
31:24
Speaker 8: societies that are essentially at odds with each other, you're
31:29
Speaker 8: going to have incredible resentment grow in the hearts of
31:35
Speaker 8: the native English people when they see their because it's
31:39
Speaker 8: not there's.
31:40
Speaker 7: A big distinction between the legal migrants, and.
31:44
Speaker 8: Yes, there have been an unprecedented number over them during
31:48
Speaker 8: the last administration and that's not going to end under Kirstama.
31:52
Speaker 7: He's made that pretty clear.
31:54
Speaker 8: But then there's also hundreds, like the most conservative estimate
31:58
Speaker 8: at the moment is eight hundred and illegal immigrants who,
32:02
Speaker 8: similar to America, are being housed in different hotels like
32:06
Speaker 8: the one we just saw, at the cost of millions
32:09
Speaker 8: of pounds per day to the British taxpayer. So it
32:14
Speaker 8: is in while in some sense, yes, the catalyst for
32:19
Speaker 8: this has been the death of those three beautiful girls
32:23
Speaker 8: just going to.
32:24
Speaker 7: A dance lesson that is the tip of the iceberg.
32:30
Speaker 7: England has been over the last decade through such a
32:34
Speaker 7: massive change.
32:36
Speaker 1: I have often.
32:37
Speaker 8: Wondered, especially when terrible crimes like this take place, how
32:42
Speaker 8: far they are, how close they are rather to boiling point,
32:46
Speaker 8: And what we are seeing right now is boiling point.
32:49
Speaker 7: Last week we were looking at footage of.
32:51
Speaker 8: Police cars on fire and people just completely out of control.
32:56
Speaker 8: It doesn't look like it's going to be settling anytime soon.
32:59
Speaker 8: But something that I really took note of with Kirstarmer's
33:05
Speaker 8: address today, this is what I see as a prime
33:09
Speaker 8: minister siding with murderous alien foreigners over their own native people.
33:15
Speaker 8: And every time a leader does this they use the
33:18
Speaker 8: same word far right, far right, far right.
33:21
Speaker 7: We know, and it has been the.
33:23
Speaker 8: Case through centuries of the past, that riots true riots.
33:28
Speaker 8: We're not talking about people just walking along chanting the
33:31
Speaker 8: same thing.
33:31
Speaker 7: At the same time.
33:33
Speaker 8: Riots like these are the language of severely disenfranchised people.
33:38
Speaker 8: Now I am not condoning the violence that's taking place,
33:41
Speaker 8: I'm not condoning the vandalism, etc. But these people are
33:47
Speaker 8: absolutely sick of it. They are absolutely sick of it.
33:52
Speaker 8: We have seen even a British serviceman literally decapitated in
33:58
Speaker 8: the streets of London. There are countless stories I could
34:02
Speaker 8: go through that just absolutely hair raising stories. This has
34:06
Speaker 8: been happening for years and years and years, and people
34:09
Speaker 8: are sick of it and you can't blame them.
34:12
Speaker 2: It's interesting to look at his statement today about these
34:18
Speaker 2: riots compared to how he went out of his way
34:20
Speaker 2: during the BLM rights to not condemn that right, because
34:24
Speaker 2: because it's very easy to condemn far right activists, it's
34:28
Speaker 2: not so easy to condemn, you know, people who are
34:32
Speaker 2: standing up for a social justice cause in the same
34:34
Speaker 2: way that he didn't condemn those clearly Muslim protesters carrying
34:38
Speaker 2: on our ark bar and gathering way that the other
34:42
Speaker 2: side has been.
34:44
Speaker 1: And I think Nigel Farag, of.
34:46
Speaker 2: Course has recently been elected for the Reform UK Party,
34:49
Speaker 2: was right in a statement that he put out today
34:52
Speaker 2: saying that he condemns the violences. I think we all do.
34:57
Speaker 2: But what has led to this is that every time
35:01
Speaker 2: people have tried to have a civil discussion about the
35:05
Speaker 2: state of migration in the UK, and it's the same
35:08
Speaker 2: across the rest of the Western world, you are howled
35:11
Speaker 2: down for doing so. You're called racist for daring to
35:15
Speaker 2: ask basic, pretty straightforward questions about the culture of your
35:20
Speaker 2: country and the makeup of your country, etc. And so
35:23
Speaker 2: if you keep telling people that they are bad people,
35:27
Speaker 2: they'll start acting like bad people because what's their left
35:31
Speaker 2: to lose? Right, You've told me that I'm a leper, Well,
35:35
Speaker 2: bugger it. I'm going to act like one because I've
35:37
Speaker 2: got no other outlet left to use. And that is
35:41
Speaker 2: the point that the UK has reached now. And of course,
35:43
Speaker 2: you going back to what you were saying about all
35:46
Speaker 2: of this stemming from the killing of those three girls
35:49
Speaker 2: and the early stages after that, we know that that
35:51
Speaker 2: believe that he is the alleged murderer is.
35:54
Speaker 1: The son of migrants.
35:56
Speaker 2: In the early stages, there were stuff floating around online
35:59
Speaker 2: suggesting that he was a refugee himself, and they're a
36:03
Speaker 2: suggestion that that information may have been proliferated across the
36:07
Speaker 2: Internet by foreign nations. Now, you would not blame any
36:11
Speaker 2: foreign nation outside of the West for pushing that kind
36:14
Speaker 2: of misinformation online when they can see how much we
36:18
Speaker 2: ourselves have done to divide our nations. Why would you
36:22
Speaker 2: not take the opportunity to essentially divide and conquer and
36:26
Speaker 2: whip up disunity in Western nations at moment like moments
36:30
Speaker 2: like those through misinformation because it proves the point of
36:34
Speaker 2: exactly how we are.
36:36
Speaker 1: It's what it's done.
36:37
Speaker 4: Just quickly, Kirstarmer is saying we're going to jail all
36:40
Speaker 4: of the people involved in these riots. But I was
36:42
Speaker 4: reading today that there are only seven hundred spaces left
36:45
Speaker 4: in all the jails in England for males, and they
36:48
Speaker 4: are currently in the process of releasing thousands of prisoners
36:51
Speaker 4: once they serve forty percent of their term to free
36:54
Speaker 4: up jail space. They rested one hundred and fifty people
36:57
Speaker 4: already over these rights. They want to arrest hundreds more,
37:00
Speaker 4: but they literally don't have any space in jails to
37:02
Speaker 4: put them into.
37:03
Speaker 8: And that's what he will use this for, by the way,
37:05
Speaker 8: to villify the patriots, badly behaving patriots, naughty, bad patriots,
37:10
Speaker 8: stop it, and to villify anyone who holds any kind
37:15
Speaker 8: of anti immigration sentiment when it's not necessarily anti immigration sentiment.
37:20
Speaker 8: It's anti mass immigration, anti illegal immigration.
37:24
Speaker 7: That's what he's already doing. It's just so predictable it
37:28
Speaker 7: grosses me out.
37:29
Speaker 3: We're to go to a break.
37:29
Speaker 4: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
37:32
Speaker 4: including Stephen miles promise to open state owned petrol stations.
37:36
Speaker 3: It's coming up. Welcome back.
37:42
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
37:44
Speaker 4: There's a fair bid on We'll start with the Courier Mail,
37:47
Speaker 4: which has a great photo of the photo finish.
37:51
Speaker 3: Of the one hundred meter event at the Olympics.
37:53
Speaker 4: But the story is interesting. State gets into petrol business,
37:58
Speaker 4: caps price rises. Stephens Servo reads the headline, A re
38:03
Speaker 4: elected labor government would open state owned fuel stations in
38:07
Speaker 4: an extraordinary market intervention designed to lower prices. Now, Miles
38:12
Speaker 4: has already promised that he will ban fuel stations from
38:16
Speaker 4: hiking prices by more than five cents eliter on any
38:20
Speaker 4: one day, but he's now promising if he's re elected,
38:24
Speaker 4: he will open up a series of state owned fuel
38:28
Speaker 4: stations across Queensland where they're quote most needed.
38:32
Speaker 3: So I think this is a great idea.
38:34
Speaker 4: Okayle If they're going to open up state owned petrol
38:36
Speaker 4: stations to help cost of living, we could next have
38:39
Speaker 4: state owned supermarkets. Stephen Miles can go into the supermarket business.
38:44
Speaker 3: What else could he open up? He could do all
38:45
Speaker 3: sorts of time.
38:46
Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say state owned media, but
38:48
Speaker 2: we've already got one of those, haven't we know?
38:51
Speaker 1: He could just have state owned everything.
38:54
Speaker 2: Welcome to communist Queensland. I don't understand when you see people,
39:01
Speaker 2: I don't understand what he's trying to do here. Well,
39:04
Speaker 2: I get the idea that he's going to open a
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Speaker 2: bunch of servos at which he is presumably going to
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Speaker 2: have cheap fuel, in the hopes that it means the
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Speaker 2: other servos around the joint have to lower their prices.
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Speaker 2: But this business about, I'm going to change it so
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Speaker 2: that you can't put the price up by more than
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Speaker 2: five cents on any given day. The effect of that,
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Speaker 2: and again I understand what he's trying to do, but
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Speaker 2: the effect of that will be that it will essentially
39:29
Speaker 2: equalize the market, because right now, you know, on one
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Speaker 2: day you can have fuel prices let's say a dollar
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Speaker 2: sixty seven for unleaded, and then the next day it'll
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Speaker 2: be two dollars. So that's a you know, I'm bad
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Speaker 2: with mathematics. It's that twenty three cents that that goes
39:46
Speaker 2: between twenty Is it twenty three cents?
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Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, I can't do the numbers in
39:50
Speaker 1: my head right now.
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Speaker 2: No, it's just thirty three cents, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
39:54
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. What
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is that if you take away the ability
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Speaker 2: to through the current price cycles, I mean, I have
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Speaker 2: the price cycles where fuel goes down and then fuel
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Speaker 2: goes back up again, and then it sort of slowly
40:08
Speaker 2: comes back down until it reaches a low price, and
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Speaker 2: then it shoots back up again. What would happen if
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Speaker 2: you can have no more than a five cent increase
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Speaker 2: each day is that once you hit the bottom of
40:18
Speaker 2: the price cycle, it would only be able to go
40:20
Speaker 2: up by five cents on any given day, so you
40:23
Speaker 2: go from sixty seven to seventy two, and on and
40:26
Speaker 2: on it would go, which means you're not going to
40:28
Speaker 2: have the price cycles anymore. The fuel price is just
40:31
Speaker 2: going to sit somewhere in the middle of the price cycle,
40:34
Speaker 2: because why would you put your prices up or down
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Speaker 2: if you can only do it in five cent increments
40:39
Speaker 2: every day. And the effect of that will be that
40:42
Speaker 2: every time you go to the bowser, you might be
40:45
Speaker 2: paying between a dollar eighty and a dollar ninety, whereas now,
40:48
Speaker 2: if you're smart, you might be able to fill up
40:51
Speaker 2: at a dollar sixty seven and then wait for the
40:53
Speaker 2: cycle to go down again. Every now and again you
40:55
Speaker 2: get caught and you've got to pay the.
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Speaker 1: Two dollars or whatever.
40:57
Speaker 2: But you'd equalize the market so that every one is
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Speaker 2: paying the same all the time basically, which may well
41:03
Speaker 2: be more than what you're paying for.
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Speaker 8: You will never assume he only means by increase. You've
41:08
Speaker 8: got to assume because the whole idea.
41:11
Speaker 7: Of opening a dozen state owned petrol stations is to.
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Speaker 8: Help out with costs of living, make this more affordable
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Speaker 8: for people by supplying more competition in the market, especially in.
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Speaker 7: The areas where it's most needed.
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Speaker 8: As he goes on to say, but if if it
41:28
Speaker 8: would have the effect that you're describing, then you're actually
41:31
Speaker 8: not helping people out at the hip pocket at all.
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Speaker 8: So I'm going to assume that he simply means you
41:38
Speaker 8: cannot adjust it more than five cents on the increase,
41:41
Speaker 8: not on the decrease.
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Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
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Speaker 2: If you can't, at the end of the price cycle
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Speaker 2: jump up thirty cents, and you've got to do it
41:51
Speaker 2: by five cents every day, why would you put your
41:54
Speaker 2: price down to the bottom of the cycle in the
41:56
Speaker 2: first place, knowing that you just meet it somewhere in
41:59
Speaker 2: the middle. So instead getting down to the dollar sixty,
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Speaker 2: at least you say you go down to a dollar eighty,
42:03
Speaker 2: and then you can increase it by five cents a
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Speaker 2: day back up to two bucks, because if you go
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Speaker 2: all the way down to the bottom of the price cycle,
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Speaker 2: you're going to do it again, say tuned out every
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Speaker 2: single day. I can't see how the petrol operators would
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Speaker 2: copy that.
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Speaker 4: Bottom line is I can't believe he's serious about this,
42:18
Speaker 4: but I do believe he's serious about the headline. He's
42:21
Speaker 4: going to do something about cost of living to make
42:24
Speaker 4: and he only has to convince people until October.
42:26
Speaker 2: And he may be the only bloke who believed he
42:29
Speaker 2: has petul in the tank. Let's go to the Australian where,
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Speaker 2: of course the big story of the day tomorrow. Green's
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Speaker 2: divisive rhetoric is fueling domestic terror threat, says the PM.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Alberezi has.
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Speaker 2: Accused the Greens of fueling community divisions that have prompted
42:43
Speaker 2: the government to raise the terrorism threat level from possible
42:46
Speaker 2: to probable, saying the party support for long running protests
42:50
Speaker 2: outside MP's officers is undermining social cohesion. Now, look may
42:57
Speaker 2: well be true that there have been protests going on
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Speaker 2: outside MP's offices for some time, including his own electorate
43:04
Speaker 2: office in Graindler in Marrickville, complaining about actually think it's
43:09
Speaker 2: in Newtown his office, but you know, complaining about the
43:12
Speaker 2: government stance on the Israel and gars of war. But
43:16
Speaker 2: if you have a look at the people who hang
43:19
Speaker 2: around outside these MP's officers, I don't think any of
43:22
Speaker 2: them would make very good terrorists. The fact that they've
43:25
Speaker 2: been perched out in the front of an MP's office
43:27
Speaker 2: for upwards of the world. What is it now, January,
43:30
Speaker 2: they started out in front of the PM's office. They
43:33
Speaker 2: ain't going to be terrorists. They would have done something
43:35
Speaker 2: by now if they were going to do it. I
43:37
Speaker 2: get the argument that he makes about for order trouble
43:40
Speaker 2: being whipped up by this war and the way the
43:43
Speaker 2: Greens have treated it. I don't know it's got much
43:45
Speaker 2: to do with the protests outside MP's offices.
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Speaker 3: Agreed.
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Speaker 4: What strikes me about this article is not so much
43:50
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister's comments, but the Spy chiefs comments, who
43:54
Speaker 4: says that the increased terror threat is due to and
43:58
Speaker 4: I quote, people with personal grievance and intolerance. So I'm
44:06
Speaker 4: just confused as to what that means. People are just
44:08
Speaker 4: generally just annoyed and intolerant and that's the threat level.
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Speaker 3: Then he goes on to refer to what's happening in Gaza.
44:14
Speaker 4: Okay, now we're getting a bit more specific, but to say, well,
44:18
Speaker 4: there's people with personal grievances and they're intolerant. And then
44:21
Speaker 4: he goes on to talk about what extreme ideologies. What's
44:24
Speaker 4: an extreme ideology? If you're an extreme Christian, you believe
44:27
Speaker 4: in really loving your neighbor and really forgiving your emens,
44:31
Speaker 4: so to say, extreme ideologies, some extreme.
44:34
Speaker 3: Ideologies are really good.
44:36
Speaker 4: What made me laugh is is on the one hand,
44:38
Speaker 4: you've got people with personal grievances and extreme ideologies and conspiracies, right,
44:43
Speaker 4: that's what's causing the threat.
44:45
Speaker 3: Then the Greens.
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Speaker 4: Senator David Schubridge, he says that Anthony Albanezi is just
44:52
Speaker 4: by criticizing them as platforming personal grievances and he's buying
44:57
Speaker 4: into quote conspiracy theories.
45:00
Speaker 3: Is alban Easy a.
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Speaker 4: Prime suspect for a terror it's you're going to leave
45:06
Speaker 4: you a terror threat. Be specific, tell us what you're
45:09
Speaker 4: really talking about, and trust us to be able to
45:11
Speaker 4: have a sensible conversation instead of hinting at vagaries that
45:15
Speaker 4: we all know what you're saying, but you're not really saying.
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Speaker 7: For the PM to be like the Greens are driving this.
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Speaker 8: I don't think the Greens are quite that powerful, to
45:23
Speaker 8: be honest, I don't think that's why azi O's bumped
45:26
Speaker 8: up the terror threat.
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Speaker 2: Now we were going to do another story on the
45:29
Speaker 2: front of the oars, but let's talk about this quickly
45:31
Speaker 2: before we go to the break. What's going on in
45:33
Speaker 2: the world of working from home?
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Speaker 8: Liz Well, the new South Walian premiere. Some call him
45:39
Speaker 8: chris Min, call him other things. Now I say, whalien,
45:43
Speaker 8: don't shoot. The messenger has said everyone's.
45:45
Speaker 2: Going to get back to work.
45:47
Speaker 7: He's not taking this anymore.
45:49
Speaker 2: Hi ho, Hi ho. It's back to work we go.
45:51
Speaker 11: Thousands of New South Wales public servants will return to
45:55
Speaker 11: the offices full time from today, with work from home
45:59
Speaker 11: privileges run voked by the Men's government in a.
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Speaker 8: Move welcomed by Sydney's business leaders as a lifeline for
46:05
Speaker 8: the struggling CBD.
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Speaker 7: Obviously, it's very obvious a lot why the state's doing this.
46:10
Speaker 7: There's very real incentives there.
46:12
Speaker 8: But I'd love to know how many people leave, because
46:14
Speaker 8: this has become a do or die for a lot
46:17
Speaker 8: of people when they're interviewing for jobs or making up
46:21
Speaker 8: their minds about which ones.
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Speaker 7: To take or indeed staying where they're currently.
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Speaker 4: What's hilarious about this is the Victorian government got by
46:27
Speaker 4: contrast to saying public servants there can work from home
46:30
Speaker 4: and maybe this will attract more public servants to Victoria,
46:33
Speaker 4: which is just what the state of Victorian needs. When
46:36
Speaker 4: you go to a bank, what do you do when
46:37
Speaker 4: you arrive home to find another family in your swimming pool?
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Speaker 3: That's coming up, Come on, welcome back, all right.
46:46
Speaker 4: A really interesting story is from Montreal about a family
46:49
Speaker 4: who arrived home to find strangers at their place.
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Speaker 7: Having a pool party in the back. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: The homeowners are of course thinking what on earth is
46:57
Speaker 8: going on? They approach these people living it up in
47:02
Speaker 8: the pool and uh, well this is what ended up happening.
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Speaker 2: There was people in our pool.
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Speaker 7: First reaction is clearly was I have what are you
47:13
Speaker 7: doing here?
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Speaker 6: On Sunday Marie Jose came home to a surprise a
47:18
Speaker 6: family of five strangers were in her pool. Then she
47:21
Speaker 6: found out they had paid someone else to be here.
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Speaker 8: Young people could have run the place to do a
47:27
Speaker 8: big party.
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Speaker 6: The gate has a lock, and chose had removed the
47:31
Speaker 6: ladder the day.
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Speaker 8: Before when we arrived, the ladder was like floating around
47:35
Speaker 8: with them, so yeah, it was funny.
47:37
Speaker 7: So we all did for them to go out.
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Speaker 6: Chose says the family was reasonable when asked to leave,
47:43
Speaker 6: but she fears someone could have gotten hurt. She found
47:46
Speaker 6: out the rental was booked through the pool sharing app
47:49
Speaker 6: Swimply the pool was listed for twenty four dollars an hour,
47:53
Speaker 6: with loud music, smoking and alcohol allowed.
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Speaker 8: So it turns out the former homeowner still making big
48:02
Speaker 8: bucks off the backyard pool. And of course the homeowner
48:05
Speaker 8: would have had to approve the bookings so they would
48:09
Speaker 8: know that they are just foisting a pool party upon
48:12
Speaker 8: the unsuspecting current homeowners.
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Speaker 7: Hilarious.
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Speaker 2: It's only a raught if you're not in honor. Now
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Speaker 2: Rapper fifty fifty cents sorry once sang a song called
48:22
Speaker 2: patiently waiting, and you may will be patiently waiting for
48:25
Speaker 2: your train this morning in Brisbane, where today they reduced
48:29
Speaker 2: fears to fifty cents. So the premier, Stephen Miles, who
48:33
Speaker 2: we told you before, wants to open up state owned
48:36
Speaker 2: petrol stations. He's already trying to do himself out of
48:39
Speaker 2: business by getting it.
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Speaker 1: To go on the train instead.
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Speaker 2: But imagine if you were one of the people who'd
48:43
Speaker 2: got on the train to enjoy your fifty cent ride
48:46
Speaker 2: this morning and you were confronted by this, I'm on
48:50
Speaker 2: the train.
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Speaker 3: For the quest day of fifty cent theirs and let's
48:53
Speaker 3: go to see so many people?
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Speaker 2: Is it's just so awkward?
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Speaker 7: Make we use it every day?
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Speaker 2: We have to.
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Speaker 7: This is how we get to work if we're not
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Speaker 7: here for the fifty cent sale.
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Speaker 4: And we'll pay full fair if we don't have to
49:11
Speaker 4: ride with him that the lasters stick around.
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Speaker 3: Coming up is the Red Penny Show.