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“The Summer I Turned Pretty” Turns UGLY · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Sunday, August twenty fourth. And
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Speaker 1: you remember when I said I was teen Conrad. Well,
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Speaker 1: I take it back right now. Welcome to this episode
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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Just because I'm off team Conrad
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm on team Jeremiah actually robes, I want
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Speaker 1: to withdraw myself from this debate. I unwittingly got into it.
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Speaker 1: I thought this was just all fun and game to
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Speaker 1: talking about some teenagers your own team, this team that
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Speaker 1: I had a debate and arguments in air quotes there
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Speaker 1: with my twelve year old child about it on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: I gotta take it back. This is a little more
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Speaker 1: serious than I gave it credit for.
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Speaker 2: Uh yes, because people take their teams very seriously as
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Speaker 2: a matter of life or death. Apparently, it's always remarkable
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Speaker 2: to me. I think it's a good thing, obviously for
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Speaker 2: Amazon and for any of the actors. When people are
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Speaker 2: invested in your show, they care about the outcome. That's awesome.
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Speaker 2: But there is a point in which people care too
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Speaker 2: much and people forget. You know, this isn't a reality show.
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Speaker 2: These aren't actual people who are actually in a relationship triangle.
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Speaker 2: This is a script. It was actually a series of
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Speaker 2: three books. It's hits.
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Speaker 1: Yes, show hit correct it to be fun.
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Speaker 2: This is fictional. It's fictional, so it's fun to root
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Speaker 2: for people. It's fun to be on someone's team. I
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Speaker 2: totally get that, but I just think it's frightening that
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Speaker 2: people can't separate reality from fiction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't realize when the show came out
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Speaker 1: several weeks ago. When it launched this third season the show,
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Speaker 1: Amazon in their official social media pages actually put up
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Speaker 1: warnings of people about bullying and harassment and said it
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to be tolerated. We'll give you the full
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Speaker 1: text of that in a second. But they knew or
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Speaker 1: they anticipated rhades this coming. You were talking about such
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Speaker 1: a hit, and it's this fiction and well written. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how I think it should be celebrated. I was saying
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Speaker 1: this to Sabine. I am a forty eight year old
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Speaker 1: black man. This this book was not written for me.
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Speaker 1: The show was not done for me. But I am
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Speaker 1: engaged they have me reacting to things on the show.
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Speaker 1: I think that must be brilliant writing. I think that
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Speaker 1: is a great show. Why has it become such a
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Speaker 1: negative thing that you gotta want Hey, heads up, this
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Speaker 1: hit show's coming back. Behave.
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Speaker 2: It's disturbing because, yes, this was a trilogy for young adults.
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Speaker 2: This is a young adult book trilogy that has been
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Speaker 2: made into a show on Amazon Prime. But this made
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Speaker 2: me laugh because it's made audience is not teenagers, even
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Speaker 2: though yes, art you're soon to be teenager, and my
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Speaker 2: nineteen year old and twenty two year old are like
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Speaker 2: that should be. You would think that's the target audience
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Speaker 2: right anywhere from perhaps twelve or a tween, all the
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Speaker 2: way up until you're maybe late twenties, even because it's
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Speaker 2: all about young love and your first summer love, all
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Speaker 2: of that. So I get it. But according to Amazon Prime,
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Speaker 2: the main audience is not that age group I said,
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Speaker 2: but twenty five to fifty four year old women. That
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Speaker 2: maybe it's fun and nostalgic to reflect back on your
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Speaker 2: first love.
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Speaker 1: That why is it that is the age group? Why
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Speaker 1: would you say twenty five to fifty four year old
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Speaker 1: woman would be so into this show?
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Speaker 2: So do you know what? It reminds me of nine
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Speaker 2: two and oh so I'm fifty two, so I would
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Speaker 2: be in that age group and back in the day
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Speaker 2: that was the coming of age. Show on Fox nine
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Speaker 2: O two and oh, and you were either team Dylan
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Speaker 2: or team Brandon. This is actually reminded me so I
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Speaker 2: remember my college roommate my freshman year. I was team Brandon.
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Speaker 2: She was team Dylan, and so she put a poster
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Speaker 2: of Dylan over her bunk bed and I put a
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Speaker 2: poster of Brandon on my bunk bed.
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Speaker 1: The girl fighting.
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Speaker 2: Well, they weren't necessarily fighting over. It was just who
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Speaker 2: you liked best. So it's not it wasn't necessarily a
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Speaker 2: love triangle. No, no, this was no, it wasn't like that.
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Speaker 2: But still there were the two kind of main heart throbs,
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Speaker 2: and those girls would say over who they liked more,
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Speaker 2: who was the better boyfriend? Who was the better guy?
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Speaker 1: Did she ever get to a fight over it? Did
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Speaker 1: you lose your friendship over it?
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Speaker 2: I was annoyed that she liked Dylan. I thought she
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Speaker 2: was crazy, and then she was annoyed that I like Brandon.
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Speaker 2: But it stopped. It ended there. It was kind of
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Speaker 2: a joke. We would talk about it. It would get
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Speaker 2: a little heated sometimes, but we were joking.
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Speaker 1: It was passionate. Passionate is it wasn't ugly and we're
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Speaker 1: talking about this now. Gavin cas Castelagno, Castelano, Castelania, excuse me.
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Speaker 1: Gavin Castelanio is the young fella that plays Jeremiah. Jeremiah
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Speaker 1: seems to be getting so much of the hate right
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Speaker 1: now on the show. Full disclosure here, we said it.
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Speaker 1: We are only up to season two episode four ish
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Speaker 1: or five ish, so we're not completely caught up. But
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Speaker 1: apparently this last new episode people really episode seven, yes,
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Speaker 1: really didn't appreciate something that went down that we haven't
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Speaker 1: seen yet, but something with Jeremiah, So some more hate came.
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Speaker 1: I'm still real. He just did a new interview with
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Speaker 1: The New York Times. We'll get into his comments here,
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Speaker 1: but he said he's been kind of detached from it,
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Speaker 1: and some of that was intentional. And it's even spoken
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Speaker 1: about people coming up to him on the street. I
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Speaker 1: figured he was going to say, yeah, they come up
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Speaker 1: to me and they're all nice and fine. He said, no,
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Speaker 1: they come up to him complaining and bitching about a
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Speaker 1: fictional character that he plays as an actor.
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Speaker 2: Yes, among the many things he said to The New
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Speaker 2: York Times, he was reminding readers and viewers who were
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Speaker 2: reading his interview with The New York times that this,
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Speaker 2: in fact is a fictional character, This in fact is
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Speaker 2: a script based on a book that was already written.
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Speaker 2: This isn't actually him, He is not Jeremiah, he is Gavin.
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Speaker 1: Why are we even having to say that it's scary?
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Speaker 1: It is? And that's word was used by another actor
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Speaker 1: as well, Lola Tong, who plays Belly in the show.
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Speaker 1: She used that word scary. It's actually scary what happens
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Speaker 1: out there. So we talk about this in looks sometimes
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Speaker 1: how much of it is just heated debate and fun
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Speaker 1: and passion says like whoa pump the brakes here? This
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Speaker 1: is going too far? And I don't know robes some
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Speaker 1: of the comments I plucked in here, and these are
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Speaker 1: some of the most recent. I didn't have to go
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Speaker 1: very far to find these. Is this just passion and
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Speaker 1: fun stuff on social media? Is it? Should we take
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Speaker 1: it this? I don't know how how heavy do you
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Speaker 1: find these comments?
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Speaker 2: I think that for the most part they're comical. For
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Speaker 2: the most part, they're funny, But there are a few
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Speaker 2: that are scary because not everybody you know, it's It's
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Speaker 2: one of those things where it is disturbing because there
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Speaker 2: are people out there and I do wonder in this
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Speaker 2: age of technology where all of our kids and everybody
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Speaker 2: is just online, there is almost a lack of social
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Speaker 2: there's this social ineptness for a lot of folks. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it's difficult for some kids who have grown up with
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Speaker 2: nothing but their screens and their connection to people online,
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Speaker 2: and they kind of lump it all in the same
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Speaker 2: boat where it's all just it's removed from actually having
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Speaker 2: a one on one so they aren't able to actually
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Speaker 2: discern with what's real and what's not. I do worry
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Speaker 2: about that a little bit, and so yes, some of
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Speaker 2: these for that reason. And people are disturbed sometimes and
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Speaker 2: people are, you know, mentally not the same as others.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, there are concerns I would as an actor,
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Speaker 2: I would be concerned that.
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Speaker 1: Is that's too bad. So just the example of the
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Speaker 1: comments that's you're playing a Figure's one thing that you know, right,
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Speaker 1: Comedians sometimes they take it to a line and their
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Speaker 1: protests and things and they're targeted in some way. But
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Speaker 1: we talk about real individuals. If to target someone we're
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Speaker 1: playing a character seems bizarre, it does. It does actors,
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Speaker 1: they're actors, Okay, So you be the judge. Folks, just
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Speaker 1: a few examples, Jeremiah Fisher gets a lot of hate,
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Speaker 1: but it's not enough. That's not bad. That's fine. We
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Speaker 1: get he gets a lot of hate, it's not enough. Still,
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Speaker 1: that seemed to take it too far, but fine. Now
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Speaker 1: they get into a little nastier stuff where we just say,
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Speaker 1: fucking shag talking about the character. Guys, don't hate on
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah without me. Yeah, that could be funny, it could
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Speaker 1: be seen. But then a few of these get a
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Speaker 1: little nastier. What episode does he die? Whoo?
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Speaker 2: That's stuff. I've seen ones that say like, Jeremiah is
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Speaker 2: the smallest man who ever lived. This was straight up diabolical,
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Speaker 2: you know, so they're attributing, you know, satanic like qualities
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Speaker 2: to him. There are other concerning comments that just make
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Speaker 2: people say, join with me, am, I the only one
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Speaker 2: who hates Jeremiah. Like, just even using the word hate
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Speaker 2: is disturbing to me. I never hated a character more
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Speaker 2: than I hated Jeremiah. Okay. And also people say like
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Speaker 2: Jared knows exactly what he's doing here, how petty Jared
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Speaker 2: knows exactly what he's doing here. It's almost as if
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Speaker 2: they're attributing like a mindset to Jeremiah and then putting
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Speaker 2: it on Gavin the actor as being a bad person
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Speaker 2: for being manipulative.
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Speaker 1: I get the passion there. A lot of this is
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Speaker 1: directed at the character A lot of times. A lot
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Speaker 1: of folks are still the language seems a little strong,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it is directed at the character.
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Speaker 1: I don't like how he's manipulating her. I don't like
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Speaker 1: when he did this, and that criticism is fair and fine.
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Speaker 1: I don't like this guy, and you're caught up in
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Speaker 1: that fictional world too.
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Speaker 2: I think it's totally fun and fine to hate on characters.
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Speaker 2: It's just when it bleeds over to the actual actor.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to point out I loved what I thought.
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Speaker 2: What Delta Airlines did was hilarious, and if you jump
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Speaker 2: on their social media account, people were praising their social
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Speaker 2: media team because it was a moment where the airline
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Speaker 2: jumped in on all of the social fervor. But they
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Speaker 2: said seats for the boys, and they showed that one
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Speaker 2: of their planes and it showed Conrad's seat first class,
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Speaker 2: and then it showed Jeremiah's seat, the toilet seat, and
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Speaker 2: people went off and just said same. I didn't realize
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Speaker 2: how much I love Delta Flying Delta Forever now, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it was really actually remarkable.
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with what they did even I thought that
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Speaker 1: was kind of clever and they jumped on board. But
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Speaker 1: when somebody writes, what episode does he die? Somebody writes
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Speaker 1: fuck him and you in response to Amazon for just
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Speaker 1: posting something about the show. When somebody says Jeremiah has
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Speaker 1: such a punishable face, When somebody says he needs to die,
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Speaker 1: I'm so serious, what episode does he die?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Again? Is it all? It's just this is just how
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Speaker 1: people talk online. Yeah, that might be true, and we
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Speaker 1: so desensitize now to this that this is no big deal.
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Speaker 2: Well, I wonder too, when you know, we talk about
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Speaker 2: no one wants obviously we have First Amendment rights and
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Speaker 2: no one wants to curtail speech, but when it threatens
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Speaker 2: violence and when it proposes violence. I saw one where
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Speaker 2: they were talking about, hey, can one of the episodes
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Speaker 2: be written in where each character gets to punch Jeremiah
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Speaker 2: in the face? And can I get in line too?
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Speaker 1: That's wrong?
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Speaker 2: You know, I wonder at what point is it actionable?
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Speaker 2: You know, because you cannot threaten violence, you cannot incite violence.
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Speaker 2: That is when free speech ends again.
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Speaker 1: But we're still talking about them suggesting violence on a
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Speaker 1: fictional show. Now, my suggest my question is that still
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Speaker 1: a problem? What you just relay there? If we have
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Speaker 1: that mindset, and does that eventually bleed over into the
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Speaker 1: real world.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully not, probably not, But you can't say that it
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Speaker 2: wouldn't in an isolated moment with the right person when
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Speaker 2: I say the right person the wrong person at the
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Speaker 2: right time. Like you, just if you're that actor, if
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Speaker 2: you're Gavin, would.
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Speaker 1: You want to be in a crowd of people? Would
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Speaker 1: you want to be in front of thousands or something
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Speaker 1: having an event and one person says something and cites
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Speaker 1: something in some way? Would you want to be in
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Speaker 1: that and think that this kid could be Again, there's
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Speaker 1: no suggestion that his safety, any of their safety right
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Speaker 1: now is threatened. But he spoke on this stuff. Amazon
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Speaker 1: puts something out they are addressing and taking it seriously
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Speaker 1: enough that they are speaking on it, then it must
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Speaker 1: be that serious.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Amazon, the official post did they put on x
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Speaker 2: This was their community guidelines as season three was starting.
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Speaker 2: They said, we have a zero tolerance policy for bullying
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Speaker 2: and hate speech. If you engage in any of the
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Speaker 2: following you will be banned hate speech, for bullying, targeting
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Speaker 2: are cast or crew, harassing or doxing members of this community. Wow,
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Speaker 2: it speaks volumes.
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Speaker 1: But it's good too. I guess it's almost as if
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Speaker 1: Robes does every show. Certainly every reality show has to
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Speaker 1: put that out before a new season comes out. Love
12:39
Speaker 1: Island just did it, and it got attention.
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Speaker 2: But I feel like that's fairly new though. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the Love Island thing was a big deal and that
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Speaker 2: absolutely happened. And I understand to an extent because these
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Speaker 2: are actually real people portraying their real selves and their
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Speaker 2: real lives, and so if the hate is there, the
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Speaker 2: hate is directed at that person, not someone they're playing.
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Speaker 2: So I understand that a little bit. This is well
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Speaker 2: because Amazon had to say, Cousins, that's the beach, right,
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Speaker 2: Cousins is our safe place, Everything good, everything magical. Let's
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Speaker 2: keep the conversation kind this summer. Yeah, they knew it
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Speaker 2: was gonna get ugly, but I guess it's just to
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Speaker 2: me it's different, Like it can be fun to root
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Speaker 2: for people to not like a character. We all do
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Speaker 2: that in every movie, every TV show we watch, And yes,
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Speaker 2: I get that in reality shows like soap operas, Oh
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Speaker 2: My God, My girlfriends and I again in college, would
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Speaker 2: root for people and not root for people. But if
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Speaker 2: I ever saw the actor, I would be just as
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Speaker 2: excited to see the person I was rooting against character
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Speaker 2: wise as the character I was rooting for, because I
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Speaker 2: understand their actors. I do think that there is language
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Speaker 2: that is not okay period, whether you're rooting or you know,
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Speaker 2: hoping someone isn't going to You can hope somebody dies
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Speaker 2: on a show. I get that that's fine, but as
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Speaker 2: long as it doesn't get and they don't use certain
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Speaker 2: words that we're seeing being used, it's that scary.
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Speaker 1: And folks will tell you the lead actress, Belly, she
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Speaker 1: gets her own share of hate, but we'll give you
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Speaker 1: her full quote that ended with this, it's not that serious. Also,
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Speaker 1: we'll tell you exactly what Jeremiah himself told The New
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we continue now again. This episode all
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Speaker 1: about me retracting my support for Conrad. On the summer,
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Speaker 1: I turned pretty Rose. You were out of town last
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Speaker 1: week a couple of days dropping anal software sophomore year
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Speaker 1: at the University of Colorado. They're in Boulder, And so
15:36
Speaker 1: while you were gone a couple of days, Bean and
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Speaker 1: I did a lot of the summer I turned pretty
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Speaker 1: watching and then you came back and she was very excited.
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Speaker 1: You wanted to put it right on, and you didn't
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Speaker 1: know all that was going on, and you looked in
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Speaker 1: all this Conrad and Jeremiah stuff, you were hilarious because
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Speaker 1: you immediately had an opinion as well.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I immediately was on team Conrad, like maybe, and
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Speaker 2: I agree, sometimes it might just be a looks thing,
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Speaker 2: but they're both gorgeous men, so it's nothing about like
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Speaker 2: both of them are hot, so to speak. But there
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Speaker 2: was just something about Conrad I liked more immediately.
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Speaker 1: And this is again, this is a woman who doesn't
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Speaker 1: know any about the backstory and anything you might be
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Speaker 1: upset with the character about You had none of that background.
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Speaker 1: You just looked immediately and reacted.
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Speaker 2: And honestly, it was hearing them talk, hearing them just
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Speaker 2: I gave it about five minutes and then I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm completely team Conrad, like without it out.
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Speaker 1: That's just your lane and that's fine and it makes
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Speaker 1: it fun. And Savine is in his screaming at us
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Speaker 1: because she's on board.
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Speaker 2: With team Jeremiah. But I love that. That makes it
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Speaker 2: fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: But she has good logic, I thought, and her logic
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Speaker 1: was he is more into her, he is better for her.
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Speaker 2: He cheated on her though.
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Speaker 1: It was the what we haven't gotten to that yet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did know that, Oh I didn't know
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Speaker 2: that part.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that part.
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Speaker 2: And Conrad was her first love. And I think, look,
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Speaker 2: I do think there is something to this idea, and
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Speaker 2: maybe it's romanticized among women, but you've got your first love,
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Speaker 2: your true love, and that's the one that's the most meaningful,
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Speaker 2: that has the most roots, and so to cheer for
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Speaker 2: that to return, or for cheer to cheer for that
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Speaker 2: to outlive some new fleeting thing fleeting And I always
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Speaker 2: I know the episodes I saw, and now I'm kind
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Speaker 2: of into it, so I'm obviously going to be watching
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Speaker 2: it completely. Both of my daughters are fully into it.
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Speaker 2: I've been hearing about this for a very long time.
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Speaker 2: For years now. My daughters have been talking about every time,
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Speaker 2: you know, we share a Netflix account, I always see
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Speaker 2: where they are. On the summer, I turn pretty So
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Speaker 2: I knew that they were huge fans of the show,
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Speaker 2: but I guess I just I thought it was a
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Speaker 2: teen thing. And then now that so beans into it,
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Speaker 2: we're watching it. It is fun to get into it,
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Speaker 2: like it's just it's it's almost like watching a sporting
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Speaker 2: event go that far. That's been preordained.
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Speaker 1: That's that's not go that far. Do not compare the summer.
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Speaker 1: I turned pretty.
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Speaker 2: March madness all over again, except for in August. Intan,
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Speaker 2: I did that just to get a reaction.
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Speaker 1: Out of here. Yeah, you got one. But the kid
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Speaker 1: keep only the kid. It's grown ass man. Yes, he
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Speaker 1: still play young people on this show.
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Speaker 2: But twenty five years old.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gavin sat again.
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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't have it in front of me. I
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Speaker 2: have to look at it to be able to Cassolinio.
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Speaker 2: Gavin Cassolino twenty five years old, married, by the way,
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Speaker 2: which I did not know. Yeah, newly married, and has
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Speaker 2: apparently been traveling in Indonesia and Thailand all summer, and
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Speaker 2: he says he hasn't even watched an episode.
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Speaker 1: Good for him, do you believe that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've been traveling around. And also he said,
18:44
Speaker 2: I already lived it, I already acted it, I already
18:46
Speaker 2: know the scripts. I don't need to watch it again.
18:49
Speaker 2: I think a lot of actors are. It's hard for
18:51
Speaker 2: them to watch themselves period because they get critical and
18:53
Speaker 2: they start overthinking things. So that could also be a
18:55
Speaker 2: reason why. But I think he knows and is very
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Speaker 2: much aware of the hate online, and it probably might
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Speaker 2: be good for mental health and continued career success to
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Speaker 2: take a step back from that and to just live
19:08
Speaker 2: your life as a human being.
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Speaker 1: That's too that's too bad. You played a character people
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Speaker 1: don't like, so why should that translate to people not
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Speaker 1: liking you? And to your point as well, I believe
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Speaker 1: him as well when he says he hasn't been watching
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Speaker 1: because we and look, we've been in an industry on
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Speaker 1: television a long time. Never went back and try to watch,
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Speaker 1: never went back and watch.
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Speaker 2: The only reason I have ever gone back and watched,
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Speaker 2: which I have, is to critique myself, to learn how
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Speaker 2: to be better, how to do better, how to not
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Speaker 2: make mistakes. So I have watched myself, but it's been difficult,
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Speaker 2: and it's almost been mandatory. It's not been enjoyable or
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Speaker 2: entertaining in any way. So I get that as well.
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Speaker 1: So good again, good for him. But he said I
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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting the way he put this about
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Speaker 1: the things and coming his way. So I don't think
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Speaker 1: there's a single human being in the world who can
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Speaker 1: carry the emotional negativity to the degree that stuff like
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Speaker 1: this happens. And I think that's why Amazon did a
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Speaker 1: good job of stepping in and being like, hey, no bullying,
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Speaker 1: though not really going so well. It's this idea like
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Speaker 1: who can who can bear this?
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Speaker 2: No one because people think it's all funny, and it
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Speaker 2: might be to an extent. And he did say that
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Speaker 2: what he has seen is comical. He said, his sister
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Speaker 2: sends him memes, some of the funniest memes. So I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking maybe like what Delta did, like he saw. He
20:32
Speaker 2: probably saw what Delta did and thought that was funny,
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Speaker 2: Like that looks good, funny.
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Speaker 1: It's like she can filter things out and hey, check
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Speaker 1: this one out.
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Speaker 2: This one's funny, this one's in good spirit. And so
20:41
Speaker 2: it is about the character, it's not about him and
20:43
Speaker 2: so and I would laugh at that too. So, yes,
20:46
Speaker 2: when you some people have to play the wicked Witch
20:48
Speaker 2: of the West or the evil stepmother, and those are
20:50
Speaker 2: actually really fun roles to play. Playing the good guy's
20:53
Speaker 2: actually really boring. So you can lean into that and
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Speaker 2: enjoy all of that. It's just when it gets scary
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Speaker 2: and mean and threatening that it changes. But he did
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Speaker 2: say for the most part, he finds all the hate
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Speaker 2: comical that people are that invested that they care that much.
21:06
Speaker 2: But he can say that because he's not reading the comments,
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Speaker 2: which is super smart and would encourage him to continue
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Speaker 2: with that practice because that is the only way forward.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting, I'm trying to think of a character that
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Speaker 1: I've hated so much on a show or in a
21:20
Speaker 1: movie that I would if I ran into that actor
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Speaker 1: on the street.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's different.
21:25
Speaker 1: How could I feel any negative thing towards them?
21:29
Speaker 2: For we interviewed Freddy Krueger, So I think that to me,
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Speaker 2: like it's funny, like I love well, I loved the actor,
21:36
Speaker 2: Thanks Freddy Krueger. But yeah, I find it so.
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Speaker 1: Fun villain somebody you hated. So I'm not even a
21:43
Speaker 1: Monster type things, at least off somebody character Like I'm
21:48
Speaker 1: even thinking about Billy Bob Thornton in Monster right now.
21:51
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like.
21:53
Speaker 2: Just maybe the guy who does it puts the lousier
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Speaker 2: to the desk, afraid of love that actor, But that's true,
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I'm trying to think of somebody.
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Speaker 1: Who have you been turned off so much as a character,
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Speaker 1: just the character that it would translate to the actor.
22:12
Speaker 1: I hate some characters.
22:16
Speaker 2: I can't think of somebody were I wouldn't be able
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Speaker 2: to be just as excited to meet that actor because
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Speaker 2: they elicited a certain feeling from me, like I think, wow,
22:23
Speaker 2: you're a very good actor. If you can make me
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Speaker 2: hate you so much in the movie, I want to
22:27
Speaker 2: know who you are and how amazing you are, because
22:31
Speaker 2: obviously you're a phenomenal actor.
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Speaker 1: We should try to come up with somebody. But also
22:35
Speaker 1: Lola toongue the young lady that plays Belly. These were
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Speaker 1: her comments as well in a previous interview, saying, when
22:39
Speaker 1: people have an attachment to the characters, they want to
22:41
Speaker 1: see it come together at the end. I'm so grateful
22:44
Speaker 1: they care so much. But people get a little scary
22:48
Speaker 1: about it.
22:49
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I mean, and maybe that's the right way
22:52
Speaker 2: to put it. They get a little scary, Like you
22:54
Speaker 2: don't know how scary it is until it actually becomes scary.
22:57
Speaker 2: But I do appreciate her other comment that she did,
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Speaker 2: or the rabid fans out there of this show to
23:03
Speaker 2: adhere to. Please don't threaten to kill someone if something
23:08
Speaker 2: doesn't go your way. I promise you it's not that serious.
23:13
Speaker 2: And ain't that the truth. It's not that serious.
23:15
Speaker 1: You have to say that is scary.
23:18
Speaker 2: And they may be anticipating. So here's the deal. I
23:20
Speaker 2: won't give the spoiler because I looked it up of
23:22
Speaker 2: how the book ends, and I think a lot of
23:24
Speaker 2: people know how the book ends.
23:26
Speaker 1: Well I don't know, but.
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Speaker 2: No, But here's the deal. The author of these books,
23:31
Speaker 2: who's been working with the she even had a cameo
23:34
Speaker 2: in one of the a couple cameos I think, in
23:36
Speaker 2: some of the episodes. But she has said that she
23:39
Speaker 2: has specifically been open to is how she put it,
23:44
Speaker 2: not having it end the same way as the books.
23:46
Speaker 2: So she's put it out there that the way the
23:49
Speaker 2: show ends might not be how the books end. So
23:53
Speaker 2: everyone is on the edge of their seats to see
23:55
Speaker 2: who Belly will end up with, even if you've read
23:58
Speaker 2: the books.
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Speaker 1: All right, so it's up in the air, folks. All right,
24:02
Speaker 1: we are clearly into this. I cannot believe in the
24:04
Speaker 1: past four days, I've done two episodes on the summer.
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Speaker 2: I turn pretty there's gonna be a few more, hunt.
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it.
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Speaker 1: Means it's a good show. So as always, we appreciate
24:11
Speaker 1: you hanging with Austin. If you all come up with
24:14
Speaker 1: a character that you hated so much on screen that
24:18
Speaker 1: you think it would actually translate to that real life actor.
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Speaker 2: We'll try to think of it too. It could be
24:27
Speaker 2: another episode. But in the meantime, everyone, thank you for
24:30
Speaker 2: listening to us. I made me Robock alongside t. Jhilmes.
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Speaker 2: Have a great day.