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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 101: Self-Inflicted Wounds & More Takeaways After Bears Defeat Jaguars · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam this morning. I'm ka Nannie Stevens,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier with me today. We're coming to
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  Speaker 1: you from the UK as the Jaguars at their first
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  Speaker 1: game in the UK. They're gonna play again here at
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  Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium on Sunday and no way to sugarcoat it
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  Speaker 1: a very tough loss against the Bears on Sunday at
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  Speaker 1: Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. We're gonna start out with our big
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  Speaker 1: things and number one big thing was drop off. We
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  Speaker 1: saw some drops. This team has dealt with drops throughout
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  Speaker 1: the season from receivers. Trevor Lawrence talked about that issue
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  Speaker 1: but said more than anything, this team needs to learn
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  Speaker 1: how to bounce back.
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  Speaker 2: It's a long game, you know. I think as a
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  Speaker 2: team like we have to be we can't be so fragile.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's not going to go perfect
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  Speaker 2: every week. You know, most weeks aren't going to go perfect.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have to sometimes dig yourself out of
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  Speaker 2: a hole. You know. We got down in the second
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  Speaker 2: quarter and had an opportunity to come out a halftime
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  Speaker 2: and didn't take advantage of it. So no, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that that was. I mean, obviously you look back,
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  Speaker 2: every play matters, and we had plenty of mistakes, but no,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that was a huge momentum shift.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you'd love to make it, but no, it's.
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  Speaker 3: On all of us.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, Trevor Lawrence was talking there specifically about Gabe Davis's
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  Speaker 1: drop in the end zone on that first possession for
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars where things were going well, they had to
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  Speaker 1: settle for a field goal went downhill from there. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it. I agree with Trevor in the sense it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was that play alone, but they
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  Speaker 1: cannot find a way to bounce back when they make
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  Speaker 1: some of these mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he's been preaching what I've been saying. The lack
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  Speaker 4: of resilience here is just crushing. I don't know whether
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  Speaker 4: he said it or whether it was Doug that said
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  Speaker 4: it yesterday after the game, John, but the fragility.
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  Speaker 3: Is a problem, eh.
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  Speaker 4: And I do think that that was a huge, huge play,
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  Speaker 4: and I get it that there were many more plays there,
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  Speaker 4: but I think I would have thrown my helmet if
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  Speaker 4: I were Trevor in disgust because he put that ball.
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  Speaker 4: If you recall John on first and goal from the
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  Speaker 4: eight yard line, gave jumps off sides, so now it's
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  Speaker 4: first and goal from the thirteen. They overcome it, and
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  Speaker 4: on third down and goal, he puts the ball right
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  Speaker 4: on the numbers and the fourteen million dollar wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: drops it. So if Trevor's not gonna be disgusted at least,
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  Speaker 4: I am, yeah, catch the ball right, give this team
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  Speaker 4: a chance to win. The owner, the fans, everybody's out
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  Speaker 4: there and put a lot of time and money and
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  Speaker 4: effort into this thing. And the coach kept saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: these guys have too well, prove it. Catch the damn ball.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah it. It shouldn't have cost him the game, and
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  Speaker 5: it didn't cost him the game. But you had a chance, right.
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  Speaker 5: It's a league of plays and playmakers, and in that
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  Speaker 5: moment you're in the red zone, you have a chance
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  Speaker 5: to you know, you're not post to get a touchdown
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  Speaker 5: on third and twelve in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: That's hard.
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  Speaker 5: But the quarterback puts the ball in the right spot.
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  Speaker 5: And Trevor definitely was the one who said it, because
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  Speaker 5: he said it over and over again in his pressure.
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  Speaker 5: This team is fragile. I don't know why they're fragile,
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  Speaker 5: but for the last twelve games, they haven't made that
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  Speaker 5: play in that situation. And guys, didn't you get the
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  Speaker 5: feeling when it hit seven to three because they didn't
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  Speaker 5: you know, a the Bears were running it looked like that.
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  Speaker 5: But they haven't shown at all in the last three
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  Speaker 5: months of season like they're gonna come back from four
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  Speaker 5: points down. And that shouldn't be that way, kay.
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  Speaker 4: I know that Trevor says that his personality is not
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  Speaker 4: such to get in guys faces, right, and he's got
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  Speaker 4: to leave his own way. He's not gonna be able
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  Speaker 4: to change himself too dramatically, at least he doesn't believe
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  Speaker 4: that he can't. But until we stop hearing after the game, well,
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  Speaker 4: they're not going to catch every ball, right, Guys are
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  Speaker 4: going to make mistakes. Until we started hearing, you can't
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  Speaker 4: make that mistake, right. The edge that this team is
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  Speaker 4: not playing with that it needs to play with to
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  Speaker 4: overcome the mistakes is never just going to magically materialize.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody is going to have to pull it forward by
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  Speaker 4: saying not throwing it again, right, I mean, someone's going
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  Speaker 4: to have to take dramatic measures so that somebody goes, oh, hell,
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  Speaker 4: I better not drop.
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  Speaker 3: That ball again.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, if you say that, though, you'd have to say
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  Speaker 1: it's about three or four people yesterday because it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just gave Davis. There was a lot of drops and
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  Speaker 1: mistakes that we'll go to big thing number two, which
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  Speaker 1: was too many. There were too many men on the
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  Speaker 1: field at one point on a drive where they had
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  Speaker 1: too many penalties three third downs that they could have
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  Speaker 1: gotten themselves off the field. The defense had penalties. Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson talked about that after the game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, those are you know, those are penalties that really hurt.
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  Speaker 6: You know. Again, it's the guys are taking nothing away
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  Speaker 6: from the players and they're playing hard doing they're they're
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  Speaker 6: putting everything out on the field, you know, and we'll
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  Speaker 6: just keep we keep talking, We'll just keep we keep
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  Speaker 6: showing them. We'll uh you know, you know, we had
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  Speaker 6: the twelve men on the field, and that's substitution change.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's something you know that's I put that
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  Speaker 6: one on us as coaches, you know, that's on us.
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  Speaker 6: You know, so everybody has a piece of this. You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's not just it's not just coaching, not just player.
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  Speaker 6: It's all of us.
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  Speaker 1: John, there's a lot of frustration with this team right now.
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  Speaker 1: This is the one that gets me. It's the penalties,
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  Speaker 1: It's this, it's the self inflicted, undisciplined mistakes. Because yes
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  Speaker 1: there'll be drops, yes they'll be misplays, but those things
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  Speaker 1: are so there. Those should not ever be an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Once you get past high school, you should not be
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  Speaker 1: making the kind of mistakes that they're making in the
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  Speaker 1: most crucial times.
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  Speaker 5: Look, Doug just then showed it. He showed it on
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  Speaker 5: the conference call. Uh, when he talked today, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what there is to say, and he'll be asked
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  Speaker 5: a question, you know, kind of pause because he's trying
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  Speaker 5: to figure out what he's supposed to say, and I
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  Speaker 5: think the answer is, I don't know. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: at some point, the mistakes that are being made, how
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  Speaker 5: do you coach not to hold in that situation? How
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  Speaker 5: do you coach? You know, now, the twelve minute on
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  Speaker 5: the field thing that is coaching, because the coaches are
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  Speaker 5: telling the players which ones to go in. That's a
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  Speaker 5: disorganization on the sidelines. That hasn't been a season long thing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, but in that moment it happened. If I'm
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  Speaker 5: the Bears on that drive, right, And Brian, you wrote
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  Speaker 5: about it, I wrote about I wrote about it. You're
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  Speaker 5: the game is teetering again, it's an eleven point game
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  Speaker 5: and trayvone gets a big time sack and it gets
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  Speaker 5: taken away h third down a hold, later on another
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  Speaker 5: three down a hold. If I'm the Bears this morning,
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  Speaker 5: I'm laughing at that and saying, well, at some point
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna go ahead and score, because we tried not
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  Speaker 5: to five times and they gave them points there and
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  Speaker 5: it it really, uh, it defined this season in the
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  Speaker 5: lot of ways. And you know, at one in five
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  Speaker 5: they're a bad team, and that was really bad football
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  Speaker 5: for a drive in a drive in a game of
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  Speaker 5: bad football, right.
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  Speaker 3: Can you zoom in?
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  Speaker 4: Just the look of disgusts on my face should say
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  Speaker 4: it all. I can't add anything else except to say
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  Speaker 4: that that was a moment where you could have remarkably,
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  Speaker 4: even after the way that I'm so fired up to
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  Speaker 4: that the second half started, right and you're down fourteen
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  Speaker 4: to three, you're still in the game. Remarkably, you're down
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  Speaker 4: twenty one to three, and Trevor gets you back to
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  Speaker 4: a position where you have a little bit of momentum,
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  Speaker 4: and then Treyvon Walker comes through with a huge playing effect.
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  Speaker 4: The Jaguars got two sacks in three plays from the
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  Speaker 4: front four. If they had taken back control, yeah right,
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  Speaker 4: they were right there. And then it's almost if you said,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, this is what we do and that's
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  Speaker 4: the problem. This is what this team does. It drops
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  Speaker 4: the ball, it makes a mistake. I don't care who's
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  Speaker 4: to blame on this, and I get it. Doug's gotta
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  Speaker 4: be calm in that situation postgame. It doesn't do any good.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm there better be a huge burning flame inside
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  Speaker 4: somebody better hear the wrath of that when they get
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  Speaker 4: back on the practice field because and I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: talk about this a little bit later in Hot Takes
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  Speaker 4: the way that they're coaching millennials these days, and Doug
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  Speaker 4: referred to that the week of the Colts game when
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  Speaker 4: he was asked about Tom Kauughlin style. Hell, it ain't
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  Speaker 4: working here right now, So maybe there has to be
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more edge from the coaches to get
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  Speaker 4: the edge out of the players. I may be oversimplifying it,
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  Speaker 4: but Johnny and you said it. You know what else
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  Speaker 4: is he supposed to say. It isn't what he says now,
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  Speaker 4: it's how he says that.
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  Speaker 5: I think the problem with that drive it was awful.
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  Speaker 5: It cost him the game, and it was it was
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  Speaker 5: almost mind blowingly bad, and it didn't surprise him.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the most frustrating part.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't expect that, and I don't like saying it,
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  Speaker 5: but that's I wasn't surprised when the Bears scored on
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  Speaker 5: that drive, even though the your thing it happened because
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  Speaker 5: it fits what they've done all year.
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  Speaker 1: Our final big thing today is gonna be blame game,
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  Speaker 1: because I think at this point it is not just
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  Speaker 1: one issue. We've talked about this for weeks now. At
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  Speaker 1: this point, it's it's front office, it's coaching, it's players
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  Speaker 1: not making plays. Brian, when you look at this, how
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  Speaker 1: when it feels like it's every little part of it,
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  Speaker 1: how do you kind of fix it in when you're
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  Speaker 1: in the midst of it.
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  Speaker 4: It's Uh, when you're in the midst of it, you
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  Speaker 4: you really have to dial your focus in here and
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  Speaker 4: be laser focused on the Patriots because you can't go
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  Speaker 4: back and change what happened yesterday and you can't start
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  Speaker 4: thinking about the Packers and the Eagles and the Vikings
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  Speaker 4: that are coming up in the weeks ahead. You've got
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  Speaker 4: to get your team absolutely dialed in. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: scenario you're in here, you know, at the grove outside London.
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  Speaker 4: You know, players, no family. You're gonna have Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
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  Speaker 4: and it has to be all about ball, all about
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  Speaker 4: ball and John the way the these players probably feel,
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  Speaker 4: if we are frustrated by what we're seeing, what many
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  Speaker 4: of them are enduring is probably very, very similar. So
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  Speaker 4: it shouldn't be that difficult to get these guys to
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  Speaker 4: go beyond the regular work day and to be focused
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  Speaker 4: in the film room, you know, on their iPads, whatever
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  Speaker 4: it takes to get more this week. When you can
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  Speaker 4: get more, because when you get home next week, you're
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  Speaker 4: falling right back into the Hey, they leave the building
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  Speaker 4: at four thirty and then you don't have the opportunity
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  Speaker 4: to necessarily get more. So you better get more right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And the playing game, Look, when you're one and five,
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  Speaker 5: everything gets blamed.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's at fall.
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  Speaker 5: It's like Doug's after the game and Trevor, Look, there's
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  Speaker 5: plenty to go around.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do?
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  Speaker 5: You focus on the Patriots and you try to go in.
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  Speaker 5: That's the nice thing the NFL sort of forces you to,
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  Speaker 5: even if you know it's going bad. As a player
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  Speaker 5: and a coach, there is an element on Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 5: what what are we gonna do about it? We're getting
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  Speaker 5: paid to go do this. May as well go do
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  Speaker 5: the best we can.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you got you got a loss, and I
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  Speaker 5: think everybody is. And you've got eleven more eleven whether
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  Speaker 5: you like it or not, not three more to finish.
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  Speaker 5: You've got eleven more. You want to feel this way
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  Speaker 5: on eleven more? Mondays you don't, So the focus had
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  Speaker 5: better be on not Sometimes when you focus, you're focusing
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  Speaker 5: on what you don't want right as much as what
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  Speaker 5: you do. You're gonna focus on winning because you don't
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  Speaker 5: want the losing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to lose.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to feel that, all right?
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  Speaker 1: Coming back on Jagsam after the break, we're gonna look
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  Speaker 1: at the tape because we talk about it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go back and look at it and
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  Speaker 1: see where they can fix things.
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  Speaker 6: Defeated, Obviously, I feel feel for the players and the
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  Speaker 6: coaches we work we work extremely too hard, you know,
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  Speaker 6: to be in this position. I feel like I feel
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  Speaker 6: like the guys are you know, they don't quit and
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  Speaker 6: they keep fighting. We got to figure out how to
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  Speaker 6: just get out of our.
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  Speaker 1: Way feeling defeated. After that one, the Jaguars fall to
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  Speaker 1: one and five. We're gonna look at the tape because
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  Speaker 1: some of it frustrating to watch after the fact. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about what we're exactly seeing
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  Speaker 1: out there. As we discussed that first drive of the game,
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  Speaker 1: the offense looked okay driving down the field until we
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  Speaker 1: get to the red zone, which has been a huge
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  Speaker 1: issue for them. Two false star penalties and then the drop.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like that was the little bit of the
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  Speaker 1: beginning to unravel. Because when you see these communication issues
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  Speaker 1: that we've talked about being a problem, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: repeated problem, it's never just a one off. It's two
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  Speaker 1: times in the same drive and then a drop. It's
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  Speaker 1: multiplying upon itself.
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  Speaker 4: In this case, though, I thought the Jaguars were up
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  Speaker 4: to it on Sunday at Tottenham because they overcame it.
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  Speaker 4: They overcame Strange and then they overcame Davis and they
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  Speaker 4: put the ball in the end zone in the receiver stands.
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  Speaker 4: I thought as they were driving down the field, in fact,
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  Speaker 4: they was sitting next to you, and I mentioned, looks
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  Speaker 4: like they've got.
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  Speaker 3: Something here today. And then the ball hits the ground
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  Speaker 3: and it's only three nothing, and well that's hown I did.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a nice drive. And I said, it's
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  Speaker 5: hard to score in the red zone on third and long.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it.
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  Speaker 5: And this was a nice pass and a nice play
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  Speaker 5: he got open, you know, and.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about it, we have yes, all right,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm laughing because it happens every week. So what
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  Speaker 5: are you gonna say?
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about the defense.
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  Speaker 1: We know the secondary has been an issue. We saw
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  Speaker 1: the Bears able to kind of convert early on third down,
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  Speaker 1: get that first touchdown. Comet had two touchdowns in the game.
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  Speaker 1: But with the defense at this point, we thought the
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  Speaker 1: first couple of games they were doing all right. It's
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  Speaker 1: been not that since then. And is it lack of
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  Speaker 1: effort at this point? We know they're dealing with injuries,
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  Speaker 1: but some of these some of the stuff, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: look like there's a ton of effort on the back well.
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  Speaker 5: Usually on stuff like this, when it goes this bad,
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  Speaker 5: it's not the guys aren't trying. It's that they're not
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  Speaker 5: staying within the defense. And you you go and you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to make a play, and everybody says it's effort. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: there were a couple of plays that didn't look like
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  Speaker 5: lack of effort, but for the most part, it's going
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  Speaker 5: off on your own because you're not believing that what
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: is being asked of you is enough, and it's it's
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  Speaker 5: it's usually the problem when you get to about one
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  Speaker 5: in four, one and five is you play a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of hero ball and try to do it yourself.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not a it's not a thing Brian, where
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: the players are trying to do the wrong thing. They're
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  Speaker 5: trying to do too much and they're not staying within
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  Speaker 5: what they're supposed to do. And it's it's always the
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  Speaker 5: case in my experience with a team that's going bad.
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  Speaker 5: It is certainly the case with this team right now.
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  Speaker 5: You can see it on the defense, heard on the offense.
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  Speaker 5: Guys are trying to do too much and there are
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  Speaker 5: situations where they're not where they're supposed to be. This
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  Speaker 5: is where the focus that we talked about's got to
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  Speaker 5: get dialed in. The coaches have got to get these
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  Speaker 5: guys all on the same page so that when the
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  Speaker 5: quarterback hits his back foot, everyone's where they're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 5: So when the defense is lined up and the middle
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  Speaker 5: linebackers got everybody with their assignment, they know what they're
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: supposed to do.
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  Speaker 4: They've got to get back to doing what they do
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  Speaker 4: right what this team can count on, and right now,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: even the things that it can count on, guy have
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: not been dependable.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: They got their first defensive turnover of the season, which
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: is far too it in the season beginning. But andre
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Cisco had an interception. I think at that point I
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, they does that was a
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: little bit of like their head was above water for
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: a second there, and andre Cisco, talking to Brent Martineau
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  Speaker 1: after the game at extra Jack, said he felt like
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: some of his teammates weren't you know, they kind of
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: quitting at the end. They saw a quit in the team.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: How do you fix that when we are but six
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: schemes into this thing.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Well, again, I don't know that quitting is necessarily the
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: issue as much as not playing hard. Within the dynamic
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: of how you're supposed to play. Are there moments in
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: the second half of a game like that where you
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: know it's over, you know you that your preparation has
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: not done what it was supposed to do, where you
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: let down on a play, human emotion comes in. Yes,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: you do see that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: Overall.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Do I think this is a team that is quit? No,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: but I do think the reality is the Bears. The
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: Jaguars rolled them in the first quarter, and then the
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Bears came back and rolled them. After that, the Bears adjusted,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: And what I'm going to say is not that the
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Jaggars didn't try to adjust, but my experience is the
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Bears came out and when a team comes out and says, oh,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: this team's doing this to us, the Bears adjusted back
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: and the Jaggage didn't have an answer. Means the Bears
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: are better than the Jaguar and they didn't have an
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: answer because they're better. And if that's not true, if
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: that's not what's happening, then the Jaguars need to prove
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: that statement wrong.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: We're gonna find out what the players think. I mean.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Because Andre Cisco was willing to go on record and
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: say what he thought. Guys have been called out, even
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: if it just seems like an innocuous Sunday night after
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: a lost frustration, guys now know that people are questioning
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: that the question came up, and Doug Peterson's a zoom
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: teleconference earlier today, so it's out there now. At least
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: one Jaguar thinks that the other Jaguars aren't playing as well,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: aren't playing all the way through. So now it's a
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: storyline and one that they'll have to address, and one
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: that they'll have to as John just said, prove, Oh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: let's chip ahead.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I do want to give some credit where credits do.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram back in his first game since dealing with
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: his hamstring injury, I think makes a play that we
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: have not seen him make in terms of the fumble
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that really that was it at that point if you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: thought they were gonna come out in the third quarter
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: with anything, that kind of sealed the deal. The Bears
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: went down and got a touchdown after that, but they
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: went back to him several times after that. He ended
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: up with over one hundred yards. And that is what
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say I need to see
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a resilience in somebody Brian, you use that word quite frequently,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but to say completely uncharacteristic of what we've seen of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Evan in Jacksonville for him to fumble but then to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: say give me the ball. I want the ball back,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And there's not enough of that on this team, in
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: my opinion. I think there's a lot of when I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: make a play, I want to kind of sit and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: wallow in it in a in the sense of instead
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of going back out and saying, give me the ball back,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make up for what happened, and that's not
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: going to happen again.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: He is the classic case of a guy who hates
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: losing more than he loves winning, right, And you need
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: more guys like that who are driven to get back
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: to the next play to prove that that's who they.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Are and what they're capable of.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought on the next offensive series, the
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Jacks Werbers still get They went down the field and
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Trevor found gave Davis, who caught it back time and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: they were right back in there. And then you had
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the twelve man on the field penalty and the resilience
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: washed away.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that fumble, much like Travis is in the first game,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: sometimes you fumble. It didn't look to me like Evan
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: was being careless. He was in a funny spot to
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: get hit, and the guy hit the ball out. Evan
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: was trying to get his hand over. So sometimes you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: if you handle the ball enough in the NFL, you're
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: going to fumble. And I think he is resilient. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: don't think that play is as indicative of what's going
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: on as other plays. I thought that was a excusably
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: not excusable because he can't fumble, but an understandable mistake
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: within a myriad of other things that weren't as understandable.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: He's one of their most important players, and he had
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: a big day with a big mistake. How he responds
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: on the practice field this week, how he acts, how
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: he prepares for the Patriots, will be a great example
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to the his teammates about how you have to be
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: a pro.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I said the loss of him the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, even more so than on the field,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: has been his leadership. I've noticed the last couple of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: games he was traveling with the team. He's very involved,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: obviously with Brenton Strange in terms of preparation, and that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: is a factor. That's smith you need more than one
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of Evan Ingram, you need several on your roster, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: hopefully that's something that can spread as this goes along.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Let's take one more look at that drive we talked
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: about with the three penalties, where the Bears were just, uh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: somehow gonna find a way into the end zone after
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars couldn't get off the field on those third downs.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: For me, that's you know, twelve min on the field.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Obviously that's coaching substitutions issues there, But then just how
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: do you keep the defense together when you see one
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: group excelling and another group isn't able to kind of
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: even help them out in those senses because of the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: penalty situation.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Anybody answer, Hey, keeping together? You just keep playing hard
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: and you keep saying to do your job. Not I'm
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: not sure there's a magic formula for keen together. I'm
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: not and I'm not sure they're not together. I think
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: they're just making these mistakes that like really really important
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: times and sometimes mistakes not necessarily Ronald Darby specifically here.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Sometimes mistakes is when you're getting beat. So sometimes you
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: hold when you have to hold to make the play
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: not happen, so very unfortunate, and as I said earlier,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: a very indicative drive of the season because you had
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: multiple opportunities to climb out of this and you couldn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: on that drive.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Even when Tyson Campbell comes back, you still have a
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: secondary that is going to have some weak spots.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: The only way for the.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Jaguars to overcome the weak spots is for that defense
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: to do what John has said all season they have
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: They've got to dominate the front.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Right, You've got guys who are capable, especially on the outside.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: You saw yesterday what Josh and what Trayvon did on
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: that one drive where they needed it right, they gave
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: them two sacks in three plays. The other guys up
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: front that they got to get more out of Eric Armstead.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: But the front is going to determine how good this
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: defense is going to be the rest of the way.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Either they play closer to their potential and this defense does,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: or they don't and this defense doesn't.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: All right, to stay with you, we're gonna have some
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hot takes for you coming up after the break here
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on Jack's Am. Welcome back into Jagg's Am. This morning.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: We're gonna give you our firehouse subs, fire hot takes.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know how hot they're all gonna be, but Brian,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: what's your hot.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Take for Listen, Everything coming out of my mouth today,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: unfortunately is hot because I just I'd had enough so
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: old school tactics, right, There's not a lot you can
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: do that truly is old school anymore. The collective bargaining
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: agreement restraint so much about how many days you can
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: practice and practice in pads and it. But there's one thing,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: and Doug Peterson was asked the week of the Colts game,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: you know about Tom Kauughlin who went into the Pride
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: of the Jaguars that week and his style of coaching.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And the answer really struck me John, because Doug said
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: that he was coached by guys who employed Tom Coughlin's methods,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: but he didn't think you could still use those methods anymore.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: And one of the things that he cited that day
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: was that you couldn't get into a meeting room and
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: put the plays up on the board and call guys
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: out in front of their teammates. Well, that's the old
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: school tactic I think needs to happen this week, you know,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: for the reasons that you talked about for Andre Cisco
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: who who was talking earlier. These younger players can't be
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: babied through this process. The hard truth of it is,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: it's a tough game for tough men, and this is
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: not a tough team right now. Nobody needs to be
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: told that. We can see that you want a tougher team. Hey, listen,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: call it out right. You missed here? What are we
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: doing over here? Why aren't we here? The accountability word
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: is one that is tossed around all the time, but
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: accountability doesn't exist unless you actually hold someone accountable. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: the only way you're gonna do that is be tough
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: with these guys. And so I would like to see
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: old school tactics. I would like to see that edge
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: return to this football team. Tough game for tough men,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: be tough on them.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't disagree with that, and it would
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: be nice if you could do that. I don't know
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: if they feel like they can, and mine sort of
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: reflects that. I'm not sure there is anything to do,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: and so not much to say, a whole lot of
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: work to do, and I wonder how you do it
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: at one in five and it's I wish I had
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: a better answer than that, But six games in, there
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: don't seem to be any answers. But there's a lot
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: of work, and I'm not sure that it's any one
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: particular area. It's why I said much to do. It's everywhere.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: It was off defensive line yesterday, it was defensive lines,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: receivers not catching balls. I like Brian's answer better. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: hope they can do that. I hope they can get
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: tough with these guys, and I hope you can have
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: you know, accountability in this thing. Does that mean you're
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: gonna cut eight guys? That's what fans always want, So
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: there has to be somewhere to hold accountable somewhere, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: a lot to do, has a lot to do with that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: I'm more hopeful, or I wish I was more hopeful
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: that they could get it done. And after five games
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: of sort of seeing this usually be the pattern, I
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: kind of wonder. I hope they prove us wrong.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Brian. I'm a little bit different from your perspective because
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think you're still mad. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: as the parental part of you is how I kind
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of look at this.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: My disappointment just manifests itself different than you.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm a little disappointed because, to be honest, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: way teams are constructed, the way this team is constructed,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you expect this team to win. This is not a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: team of the past where you're like, oh, the Jaguars
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: are being the Jaguars. Everyone knows. I came from New England.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I came from a fan base in Boston. You know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: people talk about Philly, people talk about New York. There
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: are high expectations at all times. There are not excuses.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars fan base is now at that point. Hey,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: we heard this is the best team ever assembled. We
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have our quarterback, we have a coach that's won a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We have expectations for this team. It's not
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: okay to be one in five at this point in
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the season. And when you talk about accountability, sometimes it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: comes from the outside of the building. If your fan
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: base isn't accepting of that, then you need to be
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: able to respond. I don't know what that's going to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: look like exactly for this team. Obviously we're still early
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in the season, but you're going to have to find
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a way to respond to this because this is not
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: acceptable anymore. This is not something that is going to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: be tolerated, I think by the fan base at all whatsoever.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a good place to be if
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you want to see change within this organization because what
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: is going on right now is not okay.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, what's gone on the last couple of weeks right
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: has it worked?
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: So let's be demanding change is good.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Let's demand all right, say with us here, we'll talk
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to you about what's going on this week, what we
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: have going on in the UK, and what you're going
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to see before the game on Sunday.
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: Since urgency must win. You know, we know we have
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: the trust and everybody in here, but this is the
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: urgency needs to pick up. The passion, the love, the
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: reason why we do the things that we do need
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: to need to pick up a little bit more. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: it starts to Tuesday, once we get back to practice
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: and you know, focus on the Patriots, and focus on
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: the Patriots.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: That's next game up. And today is the player day
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: off this week. So they're going to be Tuesday through
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Sunday football, football, football. They're all in the same building
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and they're going to see each other every day. Brian,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I would argue that's the best case scenario for them
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: right now, because I don't want them to check out.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I want them to lock in.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: No argument here.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the fortunate part of the circumstance
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: is is that they are together for the rest of
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the week and there's probably gonna be some very frank conversations.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: It might not have the edge that I would like
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: to hear, right, but they can't avoid what the tape
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: is going to show them, and so hopefully there's some
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: very difficult conversations that go on and it sparks a
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: change in the outcome.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: On Sunday, John, Yeah, they're kicking off in Wembley, whether
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: they want to or not, so you may as well
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: get prepared. And it galvanized the team last year when
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: they were here. They won the first game and then
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: they won the second and they went on a winning streak.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: That's the hope. And I get that people who are
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: watching this sort of laugh at that kind of hope,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: but that's what they have right now. So I will
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: see what the week brings.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Time to plays with some passion, play with some pride.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I know everybody at home is frustrated. We are frustrated.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Too sit with it. This Monday, we're going to turn
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the page. We'll be back with you for JAGXAM on
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday. Here in the UK's we talk patriots
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and what they need to do to get a win.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Next week
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Sh