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The Kenny Report | 14 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of this election campaign and the polls
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  Speaker 2: remain in minority government territory. As the policy debate finally intensifies,
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  Speaker 2: both major parties focus on new home buyers as the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition offers a new tax incentive, the Tills caught up
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  Speaker 2: in more controversy over double standards, and I'll cross to
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  Speaker 2: Paul Murray tonight to check in on his Mavericks pub
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  Speaker 2: test where one of the Mavericks has gone missing. Also
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  Speaker 2: Gemmaton Uni and Caroline de A also on all of
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  Speaker 2: this and plenty more.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: The age old Great Australian dream is back at the
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  Speaker 2: front and center of this election campaign, with housing access
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  Speaker 2: for first home buyers a major focus at both major
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  Speaker 2: party launches yesterday. But the New Australian nightmare of the
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  Speaker 2: government debt and deficits as far as the eye can see,
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  Speaker 2: is the real undercurrent of this election that's not being addressed,
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  Speaker 2: with Labour's spendethon being matched by the Coalition.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually someone will have to pay for all of this.
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  Speaker 1: But this is all we're getting from our politicians for.
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  Speaker 3: Now, all our costs will be out there.
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  Speaker 4: Fully.
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  Speaker 3: We put our budget down just a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: We unlike the former government, have had savings ninety five
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars of them. We've improved the budget bottom line
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  Speaker 3: by two hundred and seven billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He keeps delivering these economic furthies. The trick that Labour
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  Speaker 2: uses to justify them is they compare the outcomes with
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  Speaker 2: old budget forecasts. But back on to election funding promises.
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  Speaker 2: Here is Peter Dutton too.
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  Speaker 5: As I say all that details providing the due course
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  Speaker 5: in the run up to the election. What we've said
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  Speaker 5: is that we're not supporting Labour's wasteful spending because I
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  Speaker 5: don't want inflation to go up and a big spending
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  Speaker 5: Labor Green's government is going to drive up the cost
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  Speaker 5: of inflation and the cost of interest rates are higher
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  Speaker 5: always under Labor. Now this is the biggest spending government
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  Speaker 5: in forty years. They are the biggest spending government because
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  Speaker 5: Labour can't help themselves.
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  Speaker 4: They always tax, they spend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll all have to wait for the election costings
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  Speaker 2: from both sides. In the end, they'll be largely formulaic
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the campaign. The real point is
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  Speaker 2: that the fiscal emergency this nation confronts the structural deficits
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  Speaker 2: in the budget, the runaway spending. It's just not being
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  Speaker 2: tackled in the election debate or in the policy mix.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Australia's luck will never run out, or maybe it
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  Speaker 2: will still. For now, the contest is around the policies
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  Speaker 2: on offer, and both parties have unveiled new tax giveaways,
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  Speaker 2: Labor allowing for a one thousand dollars tax offset for everyone,
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition a twelve hundred dollars offset.
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  Speaker 1: For anyone on an income under one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: four thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: On housing, both parties promised to expand access to the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition initiated scheme that.
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  Speaker 1: Provides a government guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: Of five percent deposits for first home buyers. Labor is
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  Speaker 2: also spending an extra ten billion dollars on building low
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  Speaker 2: cost housing, even after admitting late last year that its
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  Speaker 2: original scheme had failed to build a single house by then.
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  Speaker 3: The Housing Australia Future Fund they're going to get rid
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  Speaker 3: of it. That's about increase. There are currently twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: thousand homes social housing, either under construction or in planning
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  Speaker 3: waiting approvals. And that's about increasing supply as well, so
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  Speaker 3: across a range of areas. If you increase supply at
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  Speaker 3: the same time as you were doing something about demand,
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  Speaker 3: that's the key, and that's why every state premier and
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  Speaker 3: Chief Minister signed off on the incentive that's there for
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  Speaker 3: one point two me in homes.
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  Speaker 4: To be built.
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  Speaker 2: But Peter didn't revealed an ace up his sleeve yesterday
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  Speaker 2: with a policy that will significantly reduce the financial stress
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  Speaker 2: on first home buyers. His scheme will allow those building
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  Speaker 2: their first home to claim their interest payments as a
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  Speaker 2: tax deduction for five years.
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  Speaker 5: It kills me when you hear young Australians just saying
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  Speaker 5: I'm working hard.
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  Speaker 4: We're both working hard. We're putting money aside.
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  Speaker 5: We just can't afford we we don't think we're ever
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  Speaker 5: going to be able to afford a home.
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  Speaker 4: That's the common story. Now I'm not going to accept that.
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  Speaker 5: As Prime Minister of this country, I want to make
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  Speaker 5: sure that we can do everything we can if we're
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  Speaker 5: fortunate enough to win the election, to restore that dream
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  Speaker 5: of home ownership and this is the way that we
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  Speaker 5: can do it.
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  Speaker 2: This could be a crucial policy for the Liberals, and
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  Speaker 2: I need to confess I had a hand in this,
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  Speaker 2: suggesting they look at it some months ago when I
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  Speaker 2: was having a policy discussion about options with a senior
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  Speaker 2: Liberal strategist. You see the superannuation policy the Liberals have
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  Speaker 2: allowing people to use up to fifty thousand dollars of
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  Speaker 2: their own super savings money they should have control over
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  Speaker 2: to help them get into the housing market, to help
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  Speaker 2: them raise a deposit. Well, it's a great policy, but
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  Speaker 2: the trouble is that most first home buyers are young
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  Speaker 2: and therefore don't have much super So it's long struck
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  Speaker 2: me that the tax system is the best way for
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  Speaker 2: governments to help. Again, you're helping people get ahead by
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  Speaker 2: using their own money. Home loan interest is deductible in
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  Speaker 2: various ways in the United States and a host of
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  Speaker 2: European nations. So it's not a new idea, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a turning point in Australian housing policy.
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  Speaker 4: Vote for your Liberal candidate at the next election.
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  Speaker 5: You will, as a first home buyer, have an opportunity
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  Speaker 5: for the first time to get more of your own
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  Speaker 5: money back and to provide support through the tax system
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  Speaker 5: to help you service your own This is a game
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  Speaker 5: change for young Australians.
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  Speaker 2: There will be economists that argue helping more people into
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  Speaker 2: the market market will only push prices up. Yet one
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  Speaker 2: key point here is that housing prices keep going up regardless,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a good thing, of course for homeowners. And besides,
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  Speaker 2: just about any measure to help first home buyers will
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  Speaker 2: draw that criticism. It's true the states and local governments
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  Speaker 2: need to do far more to allocate land and shake
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  Speaker 2: up planning arrangements to boost supply, but helping younger people
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  Speaker 2: tackle the increasingly difficult task of buying their first home
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  Speaker 2: is clearly a bipartisan aim. Both sides want to encourage
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  Speaker 2: home ownership, the Great Australian dream. The Coalition approach, as
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  Speaker 2: is fitting for their ideology, involves government taking less of
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  Speaker 2: your money, allowing you to.
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  Speaker 1: Use more of your income and your super to buy
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  Speaker 1: the house you want.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's approach, as is true to their ideology, involves spending
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  Speaker 2: more of your tax dollars on schemes that will supply
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  Speaker 2: what they want or supply eventually. It's pretty obvious what
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  Speaker 2: approach would be more likely to work. You could bet
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  Speaker 2: the house on it. Okay, we'll took polls in some
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  Speaker 2: detail with John Black a little later, But the short
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  Speaker 2: story is that all this campaigning, all the debate, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: all the carry on over the past three years.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't shifted the polls.
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  Speaker 2: They went up for Labor early, of course, and they
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  Speaker 2: went up for the Coalition over the past.
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  Speaker 1: Six months or so. But now we're pretty much back
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  Speaker 1: where we started.
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  Speaker 2: Labor and the Coalition polling what they did at the
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  Speaker 2: last election.
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  Speaker 1: That means anything can happen from here. Anything can happen
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  Speaker 1: on election.
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  Speaker 2: Day, and most likely all sorts of hung parliament chaos
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  Speaker 2: will likely ensure ensue afterwards unless there's a decisive move
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  Speaker 2: by either made a party soon. In a campaign with
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  Speaker 2: myriad ads and memes popping up of course in newspapers, online,
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  Speaker 2: on television, radio, and especially social media, the Coalition has
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  Speaker 2: even come up with a rap song attack ad well.
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  Speaker 1: Lad of I bringing the praise of electricity down on
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven times, bring them praises down.
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  Speaker 6: This is what we need because album's gotta leave, Album's
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  Speaker 6: gotta leave me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Elbow's gotta leave. Rap a bit of fun,
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  Speaker 1: no doubt, but both leaders had kind of serious reactions
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  Speaker 1: to it.
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  Speaker 5: If it says something about mister Albanezy lying, then it's
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  Speaker 5: just a recording of fact.
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  Speaker 4: The fact is.
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  Speaker 5: That this Prime Minister has lied in relation to the
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  Speaker 5: two undred and seventy five dollars cut for electricity, lied
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  Speaker 5: in relation to bog billing rates which have plummeted under
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  Speaker 5: his government, Lied in relation to building houses when they
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  Speaker 5: just haven't built houses, lied to the Australian people when
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  Speaker 5: he said that at the last election migration would be managed,
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  Speaker 5: and he's created this big Australia policy that Austranger knew
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  Speaker 5: nothing about. It's created a housing crisis.
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  Speaker 3: I'm running as an Australian Prime Minister on Australian values.
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  Speaker 3: I'll leave it to others to see why they consistently
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  Speaker 3: just borrow cultures and ideas and policies from other places
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, borrowing stuff from other cultures is no good. According
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  Speaker 2: to Alban Eazi, could this be the same blow responsible
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  Speaker 2: for this.
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  Speaker 7: He's been caught out plagiarizing lines straight from the Michael
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  Speaker 7: Douglas movie The American President.
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  Speaker 3: In Australia, we have serious challenges to solve and we
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  Speaker 3: need serious people to solve them. Unfortunately, Tony Abott is
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  Speaker 3: not the least bit interested in fixing anything.
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  Speaker 8: We have serious problems to solve and we need serious
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  Speaker 8: people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is,
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  Speaker 8: I promise you Bob Rumson is not the least but
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  Speaker 8: interested in solving it.
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  Speaker 3: He's only interested in two things, making a strange afraid
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  Speaker 3: of it and telling them who's to blame for it.
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  Speaker 8: He is interested in two things, and two things only,
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  Speaker 8: making you afraid of it and telling you who's that
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  Speaker 8: blame for it?
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  Speaker 9: Oh what for the Albanezi there and Michael Douglas as
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  Speaker 9: US President Andrew Shephard.
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  Speaker 1: So funny?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, do as I say, not as I do. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder what movies Albo has been watching lately. Still, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why the Liberals had to turn to rap
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  Speaker 2: when there's a perfectly good campaign song we've been playing
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  Speaker 2: here for many, many months.
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  Speaker 10: She can answer, he.
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  Speaker 1: Thinks is not.
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  Speaker 2: And while we're talking about Harman, there seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: a lack of it on display yesterday with this awkward exchange,
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  Speaker 2: the non embrace and non kiss on the cheek between
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and his Environment Minister, Tanya Plipask.
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  Speaker 11: It looks like you're going in for the hug.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go going in, but he's kind of just
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  Speaker 1: grabbed your hands.
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  Speaker 9: Done the orcs thing where he's done the double shake,
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  Speaker 9: was that we put him this out effect.
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  Speaker 11: Joe's up a bit orcs.
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  Speaker 1: What haven't there?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what?
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  Speaker 12: I reckon we should still all be elbow bumping because
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  Speaker 12: during an election campaign, the last thing you want is
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  Speaker 12: to catch a cold from someone.
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  Speaker 1: So that's on me.
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  Speaker 13: I should have done the elbow bump.
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  Speaker 11: I reckon, you's still getting along?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 11: Friends, buddies.
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  Speaker 14: Just taking buddy's The hygiene excuse doesn't really cut it either,
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  Speaker 14: does it When you see how interacted with others at
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  Speaker 14: the same time.
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  Speaker 1: At the same labor launch.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister effectively sidelined Pliersk when he gave her
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  Speaker 2: the environment portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't keen on discussing her future role today.
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  Speaker 1: Will you commit to keeping miss Plipasek in the environment
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  Speaker 1: portfolio for the next three years sitting you're relected?
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  Speaker 3: You know what, I'll commit to trying to win this election.
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  Speaker 3: I don't assume you might. I do not assume Tenu
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  Speaker 3: Plibask has been a friend of mine for a long
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  Speaker 3: period of time. We live in neighboring seats. We're good
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  Speaker 3: mate since she's doing a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's the Environment Minister. So while we're on
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  Speaker 2: the environment. The PM was in South Australia for a
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  Speaker 2: while today where he backed Adlaid as the host city
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  Speaker 2: if Australia wins its bid to host the annual United
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  Speaker 2: Nations climate extravaganza, the cop Summit next year, another multi
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  Speaker 2: million dollar government spend.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, to.
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  Speaker 2: Add to all the other ways the net zero push
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  Speaker 2: is hurting us.
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  Speaker 3: The fact is that holding a cop A climate change
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  Speaker 3: conference internationally produces revenue as well. It's an economic boost
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  Speaker 3: for wherever it's held. We do have the bid in
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  Speaker 3: it will be determined at the Climate Change Conference later
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  Speaker 3: this year if we are re elected.
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  Speaker 1: An economic boost from the climate change conference. Pull the
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  Speaker 1: other one.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, the state's labor premier, fresh from another successful gather round,
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  Speaker 2: can't wait to welcome thousands of publicly funded climate zealots.
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  Speaker 15: Well, Prime Minister, I am very grateful for that news. Indeed, look,
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  Speaker 15: South Australia put our hand up to be a participant
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  Speaker 15: in the process that the Commonworth initiated around potentially hosting COP.
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  Speaker 15: I think the nation hosting COP is an important opportunity
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  Speaker 15: for our country. Here in South Australia, we are exceptionally
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  Speaker 15: proud of the fact that basically eighty percent of all
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  Speaker 15: of the energy consumed in our state comes exclusively from
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  Speaker 15: renewables and we are on track to be at one
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  Speaker 15: hundred percent by the end of twenty twenty seven in
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  Speaker 15: terms of net renewable energy.
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  Speaker 1: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you forgot to mention that's why they need those
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  Speaker 2: interconnectors to bring coal fired power in from Victoria and
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: And he also forgot to mention.
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  Speaker 2: That's why his state has the most expensive electricity in
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  Speaker 2: the country, some of the most expensive in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Join the dots. The deals have been exposed as hypocrites
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  Speaker 2: yet again. We've shown you before how they love to
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  Speaker 2: advertise themselves as bringing new standards of honesty and integrity
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  Speaker 2: to politics.
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  Speaker 16: Democracy is under threat globally and what we acknowledge is
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  Speaker 16: a post truth world. Speaker, we can combat cynicism and
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  Speaker 16: disbelief only by committing to openness.
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  Speaker 17: And you've told me you want more integrity in politics.
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  Speaker 17: You want protections for our whistleblows, you want to ban
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  Speaker 17: gambling pads, and you want to see better behavior in
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  Speaker 17: our parliament from our leaders in our country. These are
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  Speaker 17: the priorities you've told me that are important and this
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  Speaker 17: is what I fight for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the ones for transparency and accountability. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just ask them, they'll tell you, and some people love them.
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  Speaker 2: They love the tills because they seem so nice and
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  Speaker 2: they pretend they can do things when anyone who understands
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  Speaker 2: the system knows they can deliver nothing except Labor Green's governments.
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  Speaker 2: But listen to the rap that Allegra Spender gets from
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  Speaker 2: one of those so called influences, Millie Rose Banister.
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  Speaker 10: I shout at an independent MP for a day in
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  Speaker 10: Parliament and it flipped what I knew about Aussie politics
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  Speaker 10: on its head.
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  Speaker 13: Meet a Legraspender.
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  Speaker 10: Not a career politician. She's a wicked, smart economist, mother,
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  Speaker 10: a daily five K queen, and works in line with
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  Speaker 10: the values of her constituents who are real working people
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  Speaker 10: and now fights, I mean fights for actual climate action,
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  Speaker 10: politically integrity and lawing costs of living.
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  Speaker 2: She's chill, fair enough, She's entitled to her rather rosy view,
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  Speaker 2: but are they really her views. It's been revealed that
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  Speaker 2: Spender has been paying influences like Banister to produce content
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  Speaker 2: like this for her, So this is really paid political advertising,
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  Speaker 2: yet it's not presented as such.
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  Speaker 1: Surely it's a.
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  Speaker 2: No brainer whether the electoral laws have caught up with
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  Speaker 2: this or not. If you are into integrity and transparency,
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  Speaker 2: it's a no brainer that where content like this is
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  Speaker 2: paid for by the candidate, then it should be declared
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  Speaker 2: in the media, just like political ads are authorized. But
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  Speaker 2: for the tills, apparently such transparency isn't so important.
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  Speaker 18: Your fellow Independent MP Alegra Spenders admitted that she's been
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  Speaker 18: paying social media content creator to make videos talking about
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  Speaker 18: the great things that she's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing this as well?
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  Speaker 12: I'm not, But having said that, I do have someone
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  Speaker 12: who works with me who is my media advisor, and
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  Speaker 12: she makes social media content.
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  Speaker 18: But should it be clear to voters people who are
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  Speaker 18: looking at this content that it's paid for by the politician?
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  Speaker 12: I don't really have an opinion on it, really, I think, well.
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  Speaker 18: You don't think you don't think voters deserve to know
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  Speaker 18: that if someone they're watching is saying great things about
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  Speaker 18: a politician, whether they're being paid by that politician.
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  Speaker 12: I have to give it some thought. It's not something
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  Speaker 12: I've given great thought to myself. Obviously, I haven't engaged
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  Speaker 12: in anything like that myself.
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  Speaker 18: You'd have to give that some thought.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I would think that it would be clear. I
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  Speaker 12: don't know. I think I'd have to give it some thought.
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  Speaker 5: Done.
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  Speaker 2: Staggering, isn't it that Monique Ryan couldn't come to a
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  Speaker 2: conclusion on that?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't have of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's a simple matter of honesty and transparency.
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  Speaker 1: But then the tills are.
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  Speaker 2: Not having a good campaign on those kinds of issues,
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  Speaker 2: are they. I mean Spender herself was exposed just last
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  Speaker 2: month for failing to declare seven companies and trust that
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  Speaker 2: she's involved in company arrangements that experts say would be
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  Speaker 2: designed to minimize taxation payable. And then Monique Ryan and
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  Speaker 2: her husband were forced to apologize when she was.
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  Speaker 1: Caught when he by the way, he was caught on tape.
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  Speaker 2: Removing a poster promoting Ryan's liberal opponent Amelia Hamery.
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  Speaker 4: Hang on, mate, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I t h Monic Ryan support of ripping down's people's signs.
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  Speaker 2: Are you so what?
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  Speaker 4: Are you doing that belongs to me?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you can take it off for property, but it
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  Speaker 1: belongs to me.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And in the wake of that episode, Ryan again seemed
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  Speaker 2: to be less than enthusiastic about trans parency and accountability.
• 19:02
  Speaker 12: If I don't have a comment for you, commenty on
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: that matter already? Thank you?
• 19:06
  Speaker 17: Do you think that was an appropriate thing to do?
• 19:08
  Speaker 12: Could you please get your cameras away from me?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And while appearing to be not really appearing to be
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: super polite in that exchange, Ryan's campaign staff were being
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: instructed to promote a special form of deference for their candidate.
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: It's really really important to use the term doctor Monique Ryan.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: We want people to know that she's a doctor, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Monique Ryan is the way that her name appears on
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: a ballot paper. So that's really really important to use
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: doctor Monique Ryan.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, hasn't been a great campaign for Ryan. I'm sorry,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: doctor Ryan. But part of our ABC interview yesterday also
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: revealed the real con at the core of the Teals campaign.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: You see, they all get elected and hope to be
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: re elected by pretending that they're not Green left, they're
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: not supporters of labor and the Greens, they're not the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Gucci Greens.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They pretend that there's some.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of liberal light that you know, they are kinder,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: gentler politicians of the center or even the center right.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: They're green left, and by taking seats from the coalition
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: they only increase the chances of Labor Green's governments. Yet,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: listen to Ryan, Sorry I've slipped up again.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Listen to doctor.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Ryan on why she won't say which major party she
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: would support in the quite likely event of a hung parliament.
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: Well, we don't know what the major part isn't necessarily
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: going to be offering to them, particularly the opposition, But
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: I would meet with both the leaders of both parties,
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: whoever that might be, and try to come to a
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: position that would best reflect the valors of the people
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: of Keon.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Really, do you really think she's open to the coalition
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to the right of politics. She's as open to them
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: as she would be to Labor and the left.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Would anyone believe that?
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen to what she said just minutes earlier
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in the same interview, running the same old media conspiracy
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: theories as the loopy left.
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: Well, I would argue that some of the right wing
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: press in this country should come with a verification from
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: the Liberal Party, because I do think that much of
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: what is put into the press, and the right wing
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: press in particular, has been fed to it by my
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: political opponents.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Now forget about the paranoia being displayed, then just think
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: about who she is describing as her political opponents, the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: one she's showing such disdain for. Yeah, the right wing
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: media and the Liberal Party. You don't say just as
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: we presumed, doctor Ryan. We presumed all along. If you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: vote tills, you are voting for a Green left government,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a Greens labor government.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Liberal member for the Victorian seat of Flinder's, Zoe McKenzie.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Zoe.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Tell us about this housing policy and why the tax
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: advantage given to first home buyers won't push up housing prices.
• 22:21
  Speaker 19: It's a fantastic policy yesterday, Chris, I've had great response
• 22:27
  Speaker 19: to it in my electric Today, I was walking around
• 22:29
  Speaker 19: the Dromana industrial estate and many of the good folks
• 22:32
  Speaker 19: there that have established small businesses and worked really hard
• 22:34
  Speaker 19: for forty fifty years. They're the people who are now
• 22:37
  Speaker 19: looking at how they managed to help their kids or
• 22:39
  Speaker 19: grandkids get into the property market. But this this will
• 22:44
  Speaker 19: change all that and mean that kids in their twenties
• 22:46
  Speaker 19: themselves will have confidence that they will be able to
• 22:50
  Speaker 19: get into the market, that they will be able to
• 22:52
  Speaker 19: get a tax deduction up to six hundred and fifty
• 22:55
  Speaker 19: thousand dollars worth of the property.
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: It's a great initiative.
• 22:59
  Speaker 19: It has changed the conversation around property ownership, property aspiration,
• 23:04
  Speaker 19: restoring the dream of home ownership in this country. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 19: it's a very exciting one, even here down in Fintel
• 23:11
  Speaker 19: where about a third of my residents are over sixty.
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: But they know, they know the.
• 23:17
  Speaker 19: Drawdown, they know the responsibility that they feel I have
• 23:20
  Speaker 19: to get their kids and grandkids first step in life.
• 23:23
  Speaker 19: But this is going to change that conversation. The kids
• 23:26
  Speaker 19: will be able to aim to do with themselves in
• 23:28
  Speaker 19: their twenties, and that is a fantastic outcome.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Speaking about the conversation.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Is there an air of unreality about the general campaign
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: discussion because we know Labor is forecasting debt and deficits
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: as far as the eye can see, and they're increasing
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: expenditure all along, both in their budget and in their
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: campaign announcements. Now you're saying that you'll cut government spending,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: be more restrained but there's not really a big focus
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: on this, and you haven't outlined all those areas you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: going to cut yet. I mean, the reality this country
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: is going to have to confront is there already, yet
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: we all seem to be ignoring it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: Be Chris.
• 24:07
  Speaker 19: In the two funds that we announced last week, we
• 24:09
  Speaker 19: were taking the necessary steps to take responsible action to
• 24:13
  Speaker 19: retire public debt. So those were two future fund like
• 24:17
  Speaker 19: investments that in time we'll be able to enable a
• 24:20
  Speaker 19: coalition government to address that public debt with which we
• 24:23
  Speaker 19: are being burdened so greatly by the Labor government at present.
• 24:27
  Speaker 19: Should I say, also, given the age of my over
• 24:30
  Speaker 19: the population here in Flinders, where thirty four percent are
• 24:32
  Speaker 19: over sixty, they remember the Howard government's achievement in retiring
• 24:38
  Speaker 19: all net public debt.
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: I remember that day clearly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 19: It was around two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
• 24:44
  Speaker 19: and I remember it at a moment when we could
• 24:46
  Speaker 19: do so much more in government. In the case of
• 24:49
  Speaker 19: Maya was working in traditional trades and apprenticeships. There was
• 24:52
  Speaker 19: so much more we could invest in technical colleges and
• 24:54
  Speaker 19: the like, precisely because we weren't paying billions in interest anymore.
• 24:58
  Speaker 19: At the moment we're paying about twenty five billion dollars
• 25:01
  Speaker 19: in interest every year. That's money that could go into services,
• 25:04
  Speaker 19: into education, into health and building the infrastructure that we
• 25:08
  Speaker 19: so desperately need. So I think, particularly in Flinder's, people
• 25:11
  Speaker 19: know that they can trust a coalition government to do
• 25:14
  Speaker 19: the hard work and to make the hard decisions to
• 25:16
  Speaker 19: retire public debt, and they can't trust labor to take
• 25:19
  Speaker 19: the same discipline to the Australian economy.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Zoey, just quickly, I want to forget your thoughts on
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: any candidates or MPs of any political persuasion paying so
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: called social media influencers to promote them.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Should that always be declared?
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 25:36
  Speaker 19: That interview yesterday was excruciating. Thank you so much for
• 25:39
  Speaker 19: making me watch it a second time. It was just horrendous.
• 25:42
  Speaker 19: And for a cross bench that is so quick to
• 25:45
  Speaker 19: jump to their feet and cry foul for anything that
• 25:48
  Speaker 19: they think they can make a spurious claim about integrity
• 25:51
  Speaker 19: when they're basically doing puff pieces with paid influences.
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: Honestly, it's like a fashion chip. It's so ebsollent.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So that's a yes from you. It should always be
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a clip.
• 26:01
  Speaker 19: I'm just in shock that they think that's a reasonable
• 26:03
  Speaker 19: thing to do in politics in this current day and age.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining u, Zoe.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Zoe Mackenzie, the Liberal MP for the seat
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: of Flinders, just south of Melbourne, down onto the Mornington Peninsula.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in independent economists. Chris Richardson now joins us
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: from Sydney. You want to get his take on these
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: housing policies in particular.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Chris.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Both major parties focusing on housing, all of their policies
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: bound to increase prices further than we're seeing already.
• 26:33
  Speaker 20: That will be the overall effect, To be fair to
• 26:35
  Speaker 20: both sides. Both are doing bits around increasing supply, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 20: they're doing rather more about increasing demand. And that's the
• 26:45
  Speaker 20: key problem and old problem. It's not that Australia lacks
• 26:51
  Speaker 20: money chasing housing. What we lack is the actual housing,
• 26:56
  Speaker 20: and getting that built is the key. What they've both
• 26:58
  Speaker 20: announced has a dominant impact of having more money chasing
• 27:04
  Speaker 20: essentially the same amount of housing, the prices will go up.
• 27:08
  Speaker 20: You'll find that want to be first home buyers won't
• 27:12
  Speaker 20: be beneficiaries. The people who make that money will be
• 27:16
  Speaker 20: older and richer people selling homes because those prices will
• 27:21
  Speaker 20: yet again go up.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Well, let's look at a couple of policies where they differ.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Labor with its Housing Fund looking to use government money
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to encourage the production or construction of lower cost housing.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the case that whenever we get governments involved
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: in this sort of construction, the prices go through the roof.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: All the contractors take advantage of higher prices. Plus, we've
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: had that in place for the last couple of years
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and it hasn't produced any housing yet.
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and look that is a risk.
• 27:52
  Speaker 20: I am willing to see a whole bunch of leavers
• 27:55
  Speaker 20: moved in housing, but that is not the thing that
• 27:58
  Speaker 20: you would put near the front of the queue. The
• 28:01
  Speaker 20: basic problem, it's been true for decades, but it is
• 28:03
  Speaker 20: now increasingly biting us back, is that we just said
• 28:08
  Speaker 20: no to too much in Australia.
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: Not in my backyard.
• 28:13
  Speaker 20: And worse than that, when we do finally say yes,
• 28:17
  Speaker 20: we impose all these rules and regulations that mean the
• 28:22
  Speaker 20: cost is very very high.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we need more land made available, lacks of planning,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: getting rid of the planning constraints to allow urban infill,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: all of that. Unfortunately, federal governments can't really fix that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: But let me get your thoughts on.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: The landmark Coalition policy looking to use tax deductions on
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: interest on mortgages for first time buyers only applying to
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: new housing. They're saying, that's why it will help boost supply.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: This happens in Europe and in the US.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Why can't it help here.
• 28:55
  Speaker 20: Because it's not going to create much new apply. It
• 29:00
  Speaker 20: will simply move the money around. People trying to grab
• 29:04
  Speaker 20: that deduction will be actively grabbing you supply and just
• 29:08
  Speaker 20: making room for everybody else in supply that's older. It
• 29:13
  Speaker 20: is rearranging the debck chairs, and again we're talking debt chairs,
• 29:17
  Speaker 20: because this too means more money chasing essentially the same
• 29:21
  Speaker 20: amount of housing housing supply. The thing we need to
• 29:25
  Speaker 20: shift that is very, very slow to shift. The thing
• 29:29
  Speaker 20: that is happening fast is that both parties promising big
• 29:33
  Speaker 20: amounts of money to chase that slow moving supply.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Pretty depressing assessment at pocks on both their houses. The
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: right aims, but policies that are not going to fulfill them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: According to you, Chris, thanks so much for joining us.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Chris Richards an independent economist. That's the economics behind what
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: we're seeing in these housing policy promises.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break another day, another pole.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'll analyze the latest Labor.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Senator John Black fooks. Okay, just nineteen days now till
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the election, and according to today's newspot, most voters now.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Expect a minority Labor government.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Here's how Pete Stephanovic summed it up for us on
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Sky News this morning.
• 30:19
  Speaker 21: The Coalition's primary vote has dipped below levels recorded at
• 30:23
  Speaker 21: the last election, at thirty five percent, while Labour's primary
• 30:26
  Speaker 21: vote sits at thirty three percent. The expectation of a
• 30:30
  Speaker 21: majority government would be in excess of forty percent, so
• 30:33
  Speaker 21: both well down support for the Greens and Independence remains
• 30:37
  Speaker 21: unchanged at twelve. Labor remains ahead of the coalition on
• 30:40
  Speaker 21: two party preferred sitting fifty two to forty eight.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in the former Labour senator. I think I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: referred to him as a Labor senator. I'm sorry to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: To you, John Black as join him in Brisbane. John,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I just catapology back into the Senate. What a curse?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 30:57
  Speaker 22: Thanks mate? Can I just say when you go, if
• 30:59
  Speaker 22: you're run that Ryan inter you again, can you please
• 31:02
  Speaker 22: put up a warning beforehand. For any old politicians have
• 31:05
  Speaker 22: to watch it. It's traumatic.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a politician asked a question before on
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: live television and you actually feel the need for thinking
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: music while while she's sitting there.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But I woant to thought it was an open and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: shutcase that one.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Now tell us what you make of these polls, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: we're essentially sitting now at the same polling for the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: major parties as.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: At the last election.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So all the political dramas of the last three years
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and the last three weeks matters nothing. Would it surprise
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you if that helds or do you think in this
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: last three weeks we'll see something break one way or
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 31:39
  Speaker 22: Look, I'm inclined to think that we'll see something break
• 31:41
  Speaker 22: one way or the other over the next three weeks.
• 31:44
  Speaker 22: What we've seen over the last month is quite extraordinary.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 31:47
  Speaker 22: We've seen the net satisfaction schools for Peter Dutton have
• 31:51
  Speaker 22: just plummeted I think about minus ten at the beginning
• 31:54
  Speaker 22: of the month and now down about minus nineteen. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 22: what I normally see when that happens is an impact
• 31:59
  Speaker 22: on the primary vote for that party of about one
• 32:02
  Speaker 22: third of that fall. And we've seen that. Perhaps more surprisingly,
• 32:06
  Speaker 22: we've seen a huge rise in the net satisfaction scores
• 32:10
  Speaker 22: for the Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi. I mean, you're still
• 32:13
  Speaker 22: in negative territory, but it's only minus four and that's
• 32:17
  Speaker 22: a big improvement from minus twenty one. So clearly something's
• 32:20
  Speaker 22: afoot there. And the Prime Minister has done quite well
• 32:24
  Speaker 22: in the campaign and should be acknowledged as such. Has
• 32:27
  Speaker 22: been quite disciplined, whereas the Coalition have been all over
• 32:31
  Speaker 22: the place for a few weeks there, and we could
• 32:33
  Speaker 22: see the impact of that in the polls. It's been
• 32:36
  Speaker 22: a bit tighter, a bit more disciplined. Their policy launch
• 32:39
  Speaker 22: has been a bit more focused on swinging voters in
• 32:41
  Speaker 22: the outer urban areas. I would expect to see some
• 32:45
  Speaker 22: result from that over the next couple of weeks of poles.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, we will see.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's interesting what you say about the net satisfaction.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Albanezi certainly has campaigned more confidently and with fewer blunders
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: or no blunders compared to the last time.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: But do you think that Peter.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Dutton's problem there is Obviously most people tend to ignore.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: The opposition leader.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It's harder to get attention but just as the campaign began,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: just when people were really focusing on him as the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: alternative prime minister, that's when he had the backflip. Or
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: he didn't have to, but he chose to backflip on
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a couple of key policies.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Which is not the best introduction.
• 33:23
  Speaker 22: No, it wasn't, and it was clearly a mistake. I
• 33:26
  Speaker 22: can't see how they could have made it in retrospect,
• 33:28
  Speaker 22: to be honest. You know, when you start a campaign, Chris,
• 33:31
  Speaker 22: you've got to have a pretty clear idea as to
• 33:33
  Speaker 22: what your target group is and who they are, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 22: how they make their money and how they get to
• 33:38
  Speaker 22: work and that sort of thing. And the talk about
• 33:41
  Speaker 22: anything work from home and cutting the large numbers of
• 33:44
  Speaker 22: public service and so on, that really frightened a lot
• 33:46
  Speaker 22: of people in out of suburban seats. As I can
• 33:49
  Speaker 22: see now you're showing up and getting back to the basics,
• 33:52
  Speaker 22: which is what he's delivering for people in those areas,
• 33:55
  Speaker 22: and that is cheaper petrol. That and I think the
• 33:59
  Speaker 22: the allowance for tax deductibility for mortgages could also potentially
• 34:06
  Speaker 22: be a big plus for the coalition. Chris Richardson said
• 34:11
  Speaker 22: it was just reshuffling the debt chairs. But the policy
• 34:14
  Speaker 22: that was put forward, as I understand it, related to
• 34:17
  Speaker 22: new homes, only new homes for first home buyers. So
• 34:21
  Speaker 22: it's not just all the old homes that the older
• 34:24
  Speaker 22: richer people own allegedly, it's new homes and its first
• 34:29
  Speaker 22: home buyers. So it targets that group of people who are.
• 34:32
  Speaker 23: Just moving away from a house, a rental house normally
• 34:37
  Speaker 23: closer to the of the city, and then moving out
• 34:39
  Speaker 23: into those fast growing, newly developing areas that we see
• 34:43
  Speaker 23: in out of Sydney and out of Melbourne.
• 34:46
  Speaker 22: It's I think it's I think it's reasonably effective, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 22: I've seen it before, Chris in I think nineteen seventy four.
• 34:52
  Speaker 22: I think God Little did the same sort of thing
• 34:54
  Speaker 22: and it worked reasonably well for him.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: We shall see.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It could be an action packed final three weeks. Thanks
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: for joining us, jo, I appreciate it. Former Labor Senator
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and polling analyst John Black There now after the break
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: and across to Paul Murray read ready for his pub
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: test Tonight, The Mavericks pub Test plus will cross to
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: London and catch up with Sophiel's Worth. Record numbers of
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: a silence seekers now are crossing the channel. Let's cross
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: straight to London now and catch up with Sophie eel's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Worth News Corps Europe correspondent.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you against Sophia.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Looks like a glorious morning there in Westminster, which leads
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: me to the first topic I wanted to get your
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: take on, and that is why so many people are
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: still crossing the English Channel illegal migrants heading to Britain.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: It's a problem that the governor can't get on top of.
• 35:47
  Speaker 24: Well, it certainly is, Chris. There's more than eight thousand
• 35:50
  Speaker 24: illegal migrants that have crossed the English Channel so far
• 35:53
  Speaker 24: this year, and about seven hundred alone on Saturday. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 24: this is a problem for the Labor government that they
• 36:00
  Speaker 24: haven't been able to stem. So Key as Starmer said
• 36:03
  Speaker 24: when he came into office, that he would try and
• 36:06
  Speaker 24: put a stop to this, but the numbers say contrary
• 36:10
  Speaker 24: to this, Chris, they cannot stop these illegal migrants. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 24: it's simple things like we've had very good weather that
• 36:16
  Speaker 24: can encourage people to come over here illegally. They can
• 36:19
  Speaker 24: get here quite easily. It seems to be a problem
• 36:22
  Speaker 24: that they cannot stop. And this is a point that
• 36:25
  Speaker 24: the Reform UK leader Nigel Farage is really banking on
• 36:29
  Speaker 24: where he's saying. If people come here illegally, they will
• 36:32
  Speaker 24: be deported. But at the moment labor doesn't seem to
• 36:35
  Speaker 24: know what to do because the numbers are rolling in,
• 36:38
  Speaker 24: the illegal migrants keep coming.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've tried those dramatic changes advised by the experience
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: in Australia, but it's not working for them. I want
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: to get to the steel industry now and a staggering
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: move to take control the government to take control of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a Chinese own British steel.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Here's what the UK Business Secretary has had to say.
• 37:00
  Speaker 25: It allows us to take control of British Steels plus furnaces,
• 37:04
  Speaker 25: maintaining steel prediction and by extension, protecting the company's three
• 37:07
  Speaker 25: and a half thousand strong workforce. The action I seek
• 37:11
  Speaker 25: to take today is not a maudget wand or a panacea.
• 37:14
  Speaker 25: The state cannot fund the long term transformation of British
• 37:17
  Speaker 25: Steel itself.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Nor would it want to do so. It's a big move, Sophie.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: What's behind it hasn't got anything to do with their
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: energy policies.
• 37:28
  Speaker 24: Well, some of the critics are saying it has got
• 37:30
  Speaker 24: to do with their energy policies. Now this steel mine
• 37:33
  Speaker 24: in the UK is Chinese owned and there's report saying
• 37:37
  Speaker 24: that it's costing the Chinese owned company Jin's at Jay
• 37:42
  Speaker 24: seven hundred thousand pounds a day. They're losing to keep
• 37:46
  Speaker 24: this in operation. Now the UK is in damage control.
• 37:49
  Speaker 24: They've had to ordering cokein coal very quickly because if
• 37:53
  Speaker 24: these furnaces stop operating, the whole steel works could stop
• 37:58
  Speaker 24: functioning altogether. And there are reports that this might be
• 38:02
  Speaker 24: the Chinese trying to make it impossible for Britain to
• 38:06
  Speaker 24: produce stell here and therefore relying on China to do so.
• 38:10
  Speaker 24: The government intervened on the weekend. Chris parliamentarians were called
• 38:14
  Speaker 24: back to rushing legislation so they could grasp control of
• 38:18
  Speaker 24: the steel works. But now they're rushing to keep these
• 38:21
  Speaker 24: furnaces operating and this is a real problem for jobs here.
• 38:25
  Speaker 24: Chris concerns that this operation could close down if they
• 38:29
  Speaker 24: remain at loggerheads, the Chinese own company and the government.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It's pretty much a carbon copy, pardon the pun, of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: what's happened with the Wayala Steel Works in Australia, just
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: on a bigger scale.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Of course, Thanks so much for joining us. Sophia appreciate it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Sophie Elsworth, the.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: News Corps Europe correspondent, live from a wonderful looking Westminster. Now,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I noticed in the newspapers on the weekend these ads
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: are running still from the.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Trumpet of Patriots, and there they are.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: They show swell and rights and as the next Prime
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Minister of Australia, it reminded me of this exchange I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: had with her on this program last month. But you've
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: got a level with people and say I'm not going
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: to be prime minister. I don't have a treasurer or
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: a foreign minister. I don't even have a lot of policies.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Just vote me in and I'll see what I can do.
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: Well, let's get the election called, and I'd be happy
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: to come back on your program and discuss this further.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we'll do that. We'll see how we go.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, so we've been in touch with Trumpet
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to Patriots. I'd love to talk to Swell and Wrights.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And again she wasn't available today, but we'll keep trying.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: They tell us they have now got one hundred and
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: thirty candidates running, so that's getting close to a candidate
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in every seat. Which is what they've promised. So we'll
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: keep in touch with you and hopefully catch up with
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: them again. But tonight on Paul Murray Live, he's got
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: one of his great pub tests. I think it's coming
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to us from Tweed Tweed's Head tonight and it's the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Mavericks pub Test. Paul's pulled together a bunch of minor
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: parties and players at a chance for voters to fromp
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: them in the flesh and ask their questions.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Paul, I love these events.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Who have you got lined up for us tonight?
• 40:08
  Speaker 26: Hello, great man. We all know I've got the best
• 40:10
  Speaker 26: job in Australia. You can underline that as the best
• 40:13
  Speaker 26: job in the campaign thus far. Pauline Hanson, Matt Canavan
• 40:16
  Speaker 26: and Bob Catter they will all be here tonight taking
• 40:19
  Speaker 26: questions from the audience of Pulmurray Live. The Wider Sky
• 40:23
  Speaker 26: News family, and we call them the Mavericks because of
• 40:25
  Speaker 26: course they're the ones that don't necessarily toe the establishment line,
• 40:31
  Speaker 26: and certainly in terms of one nation. One of the
• 40:33
  Speaker 26: things that I think is grossly underreported in this election
• 40:36
  Speaker 26: and underdiscussed is yes, there's the headline numbers about where
• 40:39
  Speaker 26: liberals are, where labor is a little bit up, a
• 40:41
  Speaker 26: little bit down one ace. You've got five percent nationally
• 40:45
  Speaker 26: at the twenty twenty two election. It doesn't matter what
• 40:48
  Speaker 26: the poll is, but it from the turmbul Times, through
• 40:50
  Speaker 26: the News Poll, through the Morgan pole, they are showing
• 40:53
  Speaker 26: seven eight nine percent. Now, whether those are people that
• 40:57
  Speaker 26: will end up turning around and preferencing back to the
• 41:00
  Speaker 26: Libs like they did in twenty nineteen could be a
• 41:03
  Speaker 26: little more competitive than what some of the other poles
• 41:05
  Speaker 26: are telling us. If they follow the model that's being
• 41:07
  Speaker 26: advertised by some a bug of them all, well, most
• 41:10
  Speaker 26: likely albow goes around again. But if you think the
• 41:13
  Speaker 26: election has been boring, if you roll your eyes at
• 41:15
  Speaker 26: every other debate tonight nine o'clock Sky News, the smile
• 41:20
  Speaker 26: will be wider than mine.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm here in the flesh.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You're so right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: There was another one percent up in today's News pole
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: for one nation, and you know that translates to maybe three.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Quarters of a percent for the coalition, So it could
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: be a huge factor. Looking forward to it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Paul Paul Murray, there live and tweed heads, be back
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: for it at nine o'clock.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that he's included.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan as one of the mavericks even though he's
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a member of the Major Party or whatever, because he
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: is a descending voice, isn't he You know him well
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: here from his appearances on Sky News.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: He does say what he really thinks. He doesn't toe
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the party line. He is a maverick. It's going to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: be great there with him.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: A Bobcatter and Pauline Hansel have shaped national politics for decades.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, going to catch
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: up with Gematon Uni and Caroline Russo. We'll talk about
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: their assessments of the campaign so far. Also, Donald Trump's
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: been given a clean bill of health after.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: His annual physical Let's sort out the problems of the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: world now with Gematon Uni from GT Community, my friend.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Good to see you, Gemma, and in Perth Caroline Drusso
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: catches up with us again. You're the center of the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: political universe there with the current Labor government launching its
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: campaign in Perth.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: What do I love Western Australia so much?
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: Carol?
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: Because they need to hold it because that's what helped
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: them get into majority government last time. And the bit
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: that a lot of the news failed to report on
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: was the keep the sheep trucks that were circling around
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: the venue to make sure that it was very clear
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: to the Albanesi government that not everyone was happy with
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: the job that they've done here in way. Look, they
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: came into Western Australia, or they came into the last election,
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: i should say, with a big promise to stand up
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: for Western Australia and they have totally squibbed it on
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: every single occasion. And it's you know, the Northwest Shelf
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: has been punted off into the ether. We know that
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: nature positive is in the cool line that there will
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: be back out, you know, to hang another millstone around
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: our mining industry. Obviously, the banning of live sheep exports.
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: And even if you look at something just like the
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: infrastructure spending that was announced in the budget, we're only
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: getting two percent of it. So he had to come
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: over here and pretend like we're important and like he's
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: done a good job for w WA, But anyone who's
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: living here knows that's not really the case indeed.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Now and should just mention it again.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: The Caroline is the president of the Liberal Party in
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Western Australia.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: We've mentioned that many times, and I mentioned.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: It again given I was banging on about accountability and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: transparency before.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's a good point though, to keep the sheep thing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Here's another export industry that lay but wants to kibosh.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: People want our sheep, they want to eat them, they
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: want them to arrive live, and we say, no, you
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: can't do it anymore.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: How ridiculous. Gem.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts so on the housing policies,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: both Labor and the Liberals. Obviously everyone wants the great
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Australian dream. How do your weigh up the two approaches.
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: Well, if you look at if you look at the
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: labor policy to start with, I think it's fraught with danger.
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: If you look at variations on that theme, I don't
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: think there's anywhere I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Chris,
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: but I don't think there's anywhere where that policy or
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: variations on that policy haven't resulted in massive defaults, like
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: massive it's economic carnage. It's not like there's any kind
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: of protection you don't necessarily want protection in.
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: It's like everything else, Labor's touched.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: It's sort of you know, I'm going to paint over
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: the crack in the wall and not actually going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: seal the crack.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: The no, it was the bigger hand of government involved,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: And you know, if you look at what, we've got
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: people in my team who are sort of the age
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: that both of these policies are targeting. And you know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: one of my team this morning of that age said,
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: you know, there's no way i'd use you know, for example,
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: you know, the.
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: Tax deduction part for her is sort of attractive.
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: But the Pottom line is the fundamentals underneath are broken,
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: and neither of these policies really address the fundamentals underneath.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: Al though I would say the closest thing to what
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: labor trying to do is actually, in a doubly way
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: offering called key Start, and if anyone's interested in looking,
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: they can look up. The difference there is that the
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: interest rates are set by the government rather than the
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: Reserve Bank. However, that policy that that organization hasn't been
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: without challenge for the same reasons, because people you can't
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: put people into a home if they can't sustainably pay
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: for that home long term. And as your previous guest said,
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: the issues are deep supply planning.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: All these state goverments. They need to bang heads at
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: a state levels.
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: Just cosmetic this is yeah, it's just like.
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: Another layer of minds.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: A nice touch today was that Peter Dutton brought along.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: He's a trade's done the hair as he's Tradey's son,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Harry here he is.
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: I am saving up for a house, and so is
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: my sister back and a lot of my mates. But
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: as you've probably heard, it's almost impossible to get in.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of smart alex in the media saying
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Dutton wouldn't say why he wouldn't help his son buy
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a house. Well, I think those conversations are private between
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: parents and their children. I don't think anyone should be
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: putting the wood on dad to fund that deposit.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Well only like, of.
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: Course not and also like seriously, as if that's actually
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: a thing.
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: My parents, bless them, have helped me in many ways
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: over my life, but they weren't in a position to
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: help me buy a house. And I don't resent them
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: for it, and I don't resent people his parents are
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: in a position. That kind of line of questioning is
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: the kind of line of questioning that appeals media and
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: media small minded is jealous.
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: And it actually doesn't contribute to the broader debate that we.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: Have to have.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And Peter Dutton may well want his kids to do
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: it their own way.
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: That he might be saying, you know what, might have
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: tough learn a lesson.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Anthony Albanezi and Tanya Pliversek.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Here was there wonderfully cordial greeting in Perth yesterday? What
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Jamaica the caro?
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: That's bad?
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: It was like kissing a cactus, wasn't it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: It was hilarious.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: But the thing is here, Look, it's it's it's no
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: secret that you know they're on slightly cooler terms than
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: than they may have been in the past.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And I mean you you only have to look at it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: She was opposition education, then that got taken off her
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: and given to Jason Claire, and then most of the
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: environment portfolio got stripped out and given to Chris Bowen,
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: and she got left with the fur feather and finns.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: And then obviously there's you know, dramas with gold mines
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: and the Northwest Shelf and the like that has a
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: lot of those decisions put her at odds with her
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: own very progressive constituency in Sydney, So no doubt she's
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: a little miffed. Maybe let's just put it that way,
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: but we all saw the same thing, which was exactly
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: the same things.
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: You're trying to kiss you how and I'm not having.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: A bars all right, have a look at this.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I think this was in Perth two a couple of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: days ago, to set the Namba Jibber price.
• 48:11
  Speaker 27: I'm so proud to be able to stand beside and
• 48:14
  Speaker 27: to ensure that we can make Australia great again, that
• 48:18
  Speaker 27: we can bring Australia back to its former glory, that
• 48:21
  Speaker 27: we can get Australia back on track.
• 48:26
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Now the lefties went nuts because she said make Australia
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: great again. They dug out some photos of just centered
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: with a fantastic husband. Colin Lilly was sporting some make
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Australia make America great again.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Hats and this is an incredible gem.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: The lefties are saying, any reference to that makes you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: you're copying Maga politics or Donald Trump.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At the same time, as I reminded people at
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the top of the program, this is.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: From a Prime minister who's actually copied his speeches from
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a pretend American president played by Michael Douglas.
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: I mean, I don't, I can. These people are not
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: serious people.
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: If they're trying to say that just Enterprise is trying
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: to emulate Donald Trump, They're not serious people.
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: And they need to hand in their pens and hand
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: in their notebooks and all that sort of stuff. Again,
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: I come back to the point.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: If you think Australia right now is living its peak
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: best life, you're an idiot. And if you think Australia
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: now doesn't need a radical course correction, you're also an idiot.
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: And I say that respectfully.
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: Whatever, we're a country at the cusp of a sliding
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: door election and I think what just Cinter said, intentionally
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: or otherwise, it's probably true.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And if you think government efficiency and taking care of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: taxpayers money is an idea that belongs to Donald Trump, yeah, God,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you are idiots. Thanks for joining us, Caroline and jem
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I love your input every Monday night here on the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Kenny Report.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quedlin