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4. Coincidences & Synchronicities with Dave Cowen · The Woo Report: Everyday Spirituality

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  We've all experienced a coincidence.
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  You're thinking about your friend, and her name pops up on your phone.
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  You bump into someone at the village bakery, have an unexpected chat, and suddenly your friendship feels a little deeper.
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  You sit next to a stranger nail salon LA, only to find out they are cousins with your husband's friend from high school.
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  Then six years later, realize you now live in the same town 3000 miles away from where you first met.
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  Was it only a coincidence?
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  Is it next to Emily that day at the nail salon?
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  Or was it meant to be?
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  Is it fate?
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  Kismet? Synchronicity.
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  After my accident, when I could walk again without pain, I took my son Will down a path in my neighborhood that runs next to a creek.
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  While I was there, a woman walked up with her two young kids the same age as mine.
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  Her son ran directly up to Will, as if they'd known each other forever.
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  They started laughing, playing and throwing rocks in the creek.
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  I was in awe.
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  We had no friends in New York yet, and I was over the moon to see, well, connecting with anyone.
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  Plus, I was desperate for local female friendship.
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  The mom went on to tell me her son was starting a summer camp the following week.
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  The same camp I had just signed.
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  Will up for the stars had aligned.
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  Mandy became an instant bestie who then introduced me to many of my dear friends in this town.
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  I thought, well, this creek is magic.
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  So I went back to the same spot a few weeks later and ran into another mom who also had a son the same age as well.
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  And bonus, she was a dermatologist.
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  I had wanted someone to look at all my scarring after the accident, and had just booked an appointment with her practice the morning before.
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  And now Cassie is not only my derm, but a forever friend.
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  Two creek visits changed my life.
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  And for the record, I do not think these meetings or any meetings like this are coincidence.
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  I think the universe is guiding us to people we are supposed to connect with.
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  And not only that, there are signs and guidance all around us at all times if we pay attention.
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  Animals, numbers, music, music, music is such a fun one.
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  And today's guest, Dave Cowan, is an expert in this space.
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  His Substack shuffle synchronicities, links the songs you hear to the symphony of your life.
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  It is so fun and fascinating.
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  Even though the song I shuffle during this episode scared the absolute shit out of me.
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  But it's vulnerable clock over here.
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  We are just baring it all in the name of connection, reflection and curiosity.
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  And you know what I'm going to say next?
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  But it is absolutely no coincidence you are here.
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  Hi, I'm Laura Scarrpati, filmmaker, and woo woo enthusiast here today.
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  To cut through the noise, pull back the veil, and cozy up in this space between reality and spirituality.
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  Thanks for listening to the woo report.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  This is. This is a dream come true to see you doing this work.
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  You're so.
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  You're so good for it and so ready to contribute to community.
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  So thanks.
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  Yeah.
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  I know, wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Thanks.
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  Yeah.
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  No, no, I, I think I've, I've learned a lot of that, but yeah, it is.
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  You have to balance the rational with the irrational when you're working with the world. Right?
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  I mean, otherwise you can go too far down, to the irrational path.
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  So you got to have some reason involved.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, yeah.
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  Thank you.
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  for for believing in me, I sometimes I don't believe myself, but I'll say that one thing about that is if you're talking about astrology.
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  I said, like my my ninth house is the house.
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  It's all of our houses of philosophy study academia.
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  and I have Saturn there.
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  So Saturn is, like, kind of like a taskmaster.
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  Makes you want to put a lot of energy and work into that.
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  So whether that was academia when I was younger or becomes my own searching now with different fields like, yeah, like wherever Saturn is for you is going to like have a lot of like energy in that house.
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  So, that's one way of talking about another way is just like I became obsessed with learning about myself because I wasn't doing what I wanted to be doing with my life, like, and just as a personal level.
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  And so the more that I learn, the more that I change for the better.
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  And so I'm just this is really helping me.
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  So I'm going to keep doing this.
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  So I think there's the that's like maybe the illogical reason.
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  That's the people thing.
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  Astrology as well as like you don't think, you know, but just the hard work, hard work like pays off.
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  And I think people can relate to that.
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  So I think what's cool about your podcast, it seems like, is you're finding the balance as you and you're making this successful people who maybe wouldn't consider it.
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  But you're also saying like, why is this helpful?
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  This is helpful because you're looking at me like, I look a lot different than we did.
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  You know, like I expect 50 more pounds.
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  And that that comes from spiritual work, you know, and then it pays off in the physical world to.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Helping other people.
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  Yeah.
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  Are, too.
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  Yeah.
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  It's still too much for.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Sure.
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  I think you're not to call it a coincidence, because that's what the definition is. It's just.
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  It's just means a meaningful coincidence.
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  So if you want to add meaning to your life more, more to your life, you can refer to them as a meaningful coincidence.
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  And that helps you make that bridge between the more logical and the more, you know, spiritual when the external world interacts with your internal world, that's one definition.
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  And, you know, tactical one might be that it's not causal in the sense that, like, there's not some sort of reason that's logical, is because whatever gives you joy in life, you're going to find a lot of curiosity, is there? I think that's an important thing to think about is like.
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  And I think music is gives joy to so many people. So like what I was finding was that, wow, every time I'm like thinking about a song as I'm living my life, it's likely that there's an overlap between the two things.
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  And when I was younger, I would point those out to people in my community or my my life, and they would be like, well, that's that doesn't mean anything.
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  How could that that's just a coincidence.
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  But as you're saying, if you build on it, build on the meanings, it just keeps building and you realize that it's actually all around you.
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  I think Carl Young would say that for people who are paying attention, they're available all around you all times.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I think, I think anytime you feel a coincidence, the fact that you're even noticing that it's a coincidence that makes it meaningful, otherwise you wouldn't have noticed it.
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  My, that's my point is that they're always happening around you.
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  And so then one of you tune into that frequency, you're going to see that they're happening more and more at first.
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  When you notice, that could be surprising.
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  As if like, oh, well, that's that's rare or that doesn't happen very often.
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  But then when you really become aware of how much it's happening, it's almost becomes like a joke, like it's like every, every second it's happening almost.
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  And, you know, that's that's it.
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  There's an idea between congruence between the outer world.
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  Inner world is like correspondence with the.
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  But the thing back in the past.
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  So like nature is very correspondence.
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  So if you see like in literature, there's often like these symbols you read about like, oh, why was that wolf there and that scene in that, in that book.
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  That's because in reality that would happen a lot.
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  And so does like you, you, you notice the hummingbird.
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  If you notice animals that are tuned to you, you know, helping you, guide you.
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  That was a thing that humans use for knowledge that still exists.
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  And we live in cities who live in suburbs with less animals, but still all around you.
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  Same with, you know, nature in terms of the moons and the stars, like all those things are seen with you.
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  And same with music.
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  I mean, I saw this meme yesterday was like, why did when we come up with the idea of the moon, when we knew, when we knew about, you know, that the air had ether had frequencies in it?
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  Why are we filled up with music?
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  We filled up. We made radio.
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  That was on our first invention.
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  We learned that, like all the air has these waves and particles in it.
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  We put music into it.
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  And so now, you know, so radio was one of the things that, you know, you see in movies, a song would come on in a radio of a car that would make sense with the movie.
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  And you think, oh, that's jazz art.
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  But no, that was happening in reality.
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  And that became art for a reason, because people were just echoing it into their movies and so now we're even more digital.
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  We have these algorithms.
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  We have and algorithms are numbers.
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  And so numbers are another main frequency for synchronicities.
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  Like they're really strongly tied to the spiritual world.
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  There's there's a whole talk about numerology and enneagram.
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  There's a whole lineage throughout history of numbers being tied not just to their physical meanings as universal physical meanings that, like, you know, one plus one equals two in every culture, but almost every culture, the same spiritual means, every number is the same as well.
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  In China and South America and Greece, people didn't overlap necessarily too.
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  So it's a long winded answer.
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  So, so but hopefully it's okay. Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It is.
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  Yeah.
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  It is.
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  Yeah.
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  I think that's a.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  That's a great question.
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  I mean, I have a journal where I do this daily.
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  I think it's cool because you can make this a daily practice, and you can.
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  You know, many people love journaling as kind of like a as a therapy these days.
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  Like Julia Cameron's really into that.
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  That's becoming back in vogue.
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  for instance, something going on my life.
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  I couldn't figure out what I need to do.
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  I couldn't get my work done that day.
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  I could email anybody.
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  I couldn't phone, and I just started walking with a copy of this book that I need to give to someone that didn't realize until I started walking that it was them I need to give it to, and then I dropped it off for them.
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  And then I was like, okay, how does that feel?
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  Like what?
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  What was that a good choice?
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  Or like, you know, something you want?
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  I'm usually like, make the shuffle before I make the choice.
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  But in this case, I did it afterwards.
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  And then I got this song by Johnny Cash, Johnny Cash called Jesus Cleans the Temple.
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  And so it was like to me a very, you know, strong synchronicity that was like, that was the right thing to do.
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  You need to clean your temple of what was blocking you.
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  Your ego, from making your desire business rising.
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  To do it, you need to clear the personal relationship with this book.
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  And so that was a really strong synchronicity.
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  you know, the next day, I was really wrapped in the opposite direction.
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  I was really wrapped up in my ego and really pushing too hard, probably emailing people for this book.
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  And, and I did a shelf and I got this Allen Ginsberg poem called, Bengal Paraphrases poem series, and it was all about like how Allen Ginsberg is like a really spiritual beat poet.
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  But he was, like, obsessed with his ambition.
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  He would have like a, you know, had to get somewhere in an hour, you know, for, you know, and so it was like just kind of these reminders of, like, guiding you was like, oh, okay.
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  The first day you need to do is do his personal thing before you can get to work.
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  The next day, it was like, okay, now you're overworking.
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  How do you tone it back so you don't bother people with your ambition?
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  And so I think it's this way the universe is constantly, constantly sending you information to help you guide your life a little bit better on your path, or a lot better on your path, planning on how you think about it.
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  So those are two recent ones, and I think the journal is helpful too, because when you ask me that question, my mind at least can't remember all the shuffles from the last even leaving yesterday or last week.
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  But having a journal allows you to keep a practice going and then you can really look back.
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  And then I also went with the journal too.
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  It's like you can see in your history a song will come up like topic.
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  Oh, that song came up maybe some point last year.
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  What was it in reference to?
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  And then like another example was like, I was think about what I need.
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  What are you to write next?
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  I was getting this other idea.
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  Then I was like, let me shuffle, maybe think about how many think it out.
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  It was a song related to a post, journal post in the past about ten minutes.
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  I was like, oh, I need to focus on the times versus pickleball script I'm doing.
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  That one's going to be a nice, refreshing one instead of this other one.
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  That's where, you know, so it was like, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  People love. That's one of our things.
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  We love to hear about love. Right.
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  As far as yeah, I was I was very, very like physical and spirit at the same time.
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  Like the more you exercise, I think the better off you are mentally, spiritually, all those things too.
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  So that's another like thing.
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  Your toolbox that's, you know, very basic.
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  But there's that's a long winded answer about examples.
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  But yeah, that's that's a couple examples right there. Yeah.
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  Yes. Well you know it's tricky about that is so Spotify limits your playlist at 10,000.
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  So you can claim it that you can share with someone else.
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  So I have one that's 10,000 people that they can use.
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  But I also have one that's like well over 100,000 that I actually use.
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  I'm like, do you like something that's going to be infinite?
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  In fact, I met someone online who has like millions of songs and I like, would love to have that.
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  I might go over and have every song recorded in history on the Spotify playlist today, because I'm, you know, I do so like music in the sense of music critic being what, something's good, something's bad.
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  Now if you just go into it, believe me, everything is good, you're going to enjoy it. I think and or I think has meaning for you.
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  I think it's way more interesting than like which are you are subjective.
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  Taste are taste is very subjective.
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  But yeah, you can definitely go into my you know, I can we can we can set up in in the show notes like a link.
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  They can go and use that playlist.
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  I think it's also a part about building your own.
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  I mean, it seems like maybe you work with this as well, and we've known each other for a while and you're really supportive of of the shuffle, one of the first subscribers.
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  And that was really amazing. Thank you.
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  And and do you, do you build your own playlist?
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  You have your own they use.
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  All right.
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  Yeah. Let's get into it.
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  No. Yeah. Perfect timing.
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  Now here we go.
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  Yes. That's another way.
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  And there's a reason that's happening.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Wow. Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  I know she's she's amazing.
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  She's brilliant.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  What are they?
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  Okay, I watch if I'm not as familiar as that song with her and I.
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  What's what's the theme of it?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Well.
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  I love that.
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  Yeah.
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  Get into more.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That one I remember really well.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  That was such such a great song.
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  Yeah.
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  Like what kind of.
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  Yeah.
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  That is.
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  No, no, that is definitely.
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  I think the way I think about synchronicity too, in music is that if it pops into your head or like the tip of your tongue, where do you think you know that song?
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  Bring it into your consciousness.
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  Look at the lyrics.
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  Play it for yourself.
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  Study it. Do exactly what you did.
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  That is an essential practice that you've developed for yourself that has gotten you into a great place.
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  I mean, you jumped into doing this podcast.
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  You are like, I'm I'm the wizard.
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  Like, I'm I can be a podcast.
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  I can do a podcast about who I can do this.
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  And you are bringing the magic to it.
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  So like, these songs are guiding you in a really positive direction.
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  I mean, just looking at the smile on your face and the joy that I have participating in this and and the community you're growing like it's it's great so far.
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  The music. Yeah.
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  Well, I think I've, Yeah.
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  When I you taught me so much to please go ahead.
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  We can.
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  you know, modality is great.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, I, I think the thing, too, is, like, what's easy to talk to you about is that you are so joyous, like, I.
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  My first memory of you wasn't the first time we met.
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  There was when we were dancing at my party, at my my family's house.
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  Like when we like.
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  You remember that?
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  Like, like you're just a very fun person.
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  No matter what you do, whether you're bringing that to dancing with you, bringing that to, you know, more Hollywood type of glory, bringing it to, you know, spiritual work.
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  And so even even to your recovery, like, you brought a lot of joy to your recovery, which is, you know, not always the case, as I'm sure you're aware, during your work with Isaiah Project and other places like, it doesn't have to always go that way, that someone can bring that there.
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  And I was thinking about I was looking at your astrology chart and we have to jump too far across to that already.
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  But your first house, your first house is your house of yourself.
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  I don't know if you're aware of that what that means.
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  So it's it's yourself house.
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  So if you have a planet there that's going to affect that house.
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  And I was thinking about it, it's your body that's your physical appearance.
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  And so you're, you're that's that's also a rising sign.
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  So your Libra, which is the sign of beauty, because it comes from is ruled by Venus.
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  So people look at you, you're obviously a beautiful person.
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  And also like, it's a very talkative, diplomatic like, sociable and like justice.
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  But also in your first house is Pluto, and Pluto is where there's transformation and and and death and destruction and change.
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  And so Pluto is in your first house, so that that's probably related to like your physical body being harmed in that way is a very Pluto life or death.
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  And the fact that you went through that experience really helped me because you had like a really like when my dad died, when I had my own awakening, that was a once removed, whereas you had your own really, really personal periods of death and that that you came out of it knowing things that I could never know, really helped me understand that what I believe about my dad and I believe about all of our potential death is a true thing because you came, you know, so close to being able to see so much in it.
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  And so that was a I mean, you're the one who, I don't know, has had that experience.
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  And and I trust you so much.
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  I've known you for so long.
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  And I trust Matt, your husband, so much that like, your, your validation really, really means a lot.
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  Like, it's just I think it was cool too, as you're building this, like, community for people that are like, local for you and growing and looking at your chart again, you have a lot of third house planets and that's the house of communication, but also house of like siblings and neighbors and like local communities.
• 23:42
  And you're like a hero in where I grew up now, where you're growing back with Matt, growing that community in terms of, you know, social work and spiritual work.
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  And just so I'm talking now, too much super.
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  But yeah, I guess it's a podcast, right? For to talk. Right?
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  Okay.
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  Or to do it a.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it's also honestly related to the music is because and and and dreams and things.
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  I mean yeah I think it's like when you're, when someone dies in your life, it can radically change you.
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  And, I'll take a step back and also just say that, like, I have, like, a diagnosis of bipolar disorder from when I was 21.
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  And I think about that differently now that it being like a dual thing between like, you know, it being like a, a gift and also a curse and that and going back to the shuffle for a second, like when you have extreme emotionality that creates more second necessities, whether that whether that could be any kind of emotion, both good and bad.
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  Like there's like about like this poly is this guy who was a physicist who work with Carl Young on Synchronicity, and he was, they call this the poly effect.
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  He was a very, very emotional guy.
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  And young actually helped him kind of, you know, balance out.
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  But like when he was very emotional, he would kind of create these synchronicities around him.
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  And that's something that happens is that if you want to have more signatories, if you have a to act activity, if your aspect is really high, they're going to happen more and more.
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  So if something traumatic happens in your life, like if your dad dies or if you go through something, you're more likely to attract you synchronicities because you're having a high affect.
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  And what that does is it it does feel kind of manic or insane, but what it does is actually helps guide you because it's almost like the universe is saying, like, this is how you're going to intuitively get through this process.
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  That's that's otherwise you might not be able to get through in a logical because you're not thinking very logically because you're acting so high.
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  We're going to guide you in other ways.
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  And so there's this actually, this book I was mentioning on Tags by Chris Mackey, he's like, you know, he's a therapist.
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  So he was able to see as he was having his own awakening due to due to trauma, that there's a positive response to hypomania, that hypomania can be integrative.
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  It can be something that guides you on the way so that even though people can look at you as self-referential, they can say, these are delusions.
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  These are you're you're making things out.
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  You're making meaning out of the world that's not there.
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  And we want to question this.
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  It was really when I was 21, I thought, well, only I am doing this and then became like a ego inflation.
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  And but when I was older and had a much more education experience, it was like, oh, everybody can have this experience, everybody is having this experience potentially.
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  and so you're not special and this is not like you got on only you, it's got an everybody or whatever you want to define that for yourself universe, you know, that kind of thing.
• 26:43
  So that's a long or long winded discursive answer.
• 26:46
  But yeah, I think, in terms of music, like at the time I was with someone and I was pointing out like how music kept interacting with our life or TV or the newspaper, and I and I could see the difference that there is.
• 27:02
  I mean, for the world that was just as true for whoever that was for and also for me or for us and that person and other people, not just damages would be like, that's not true, and that means you're sick.
• 27:14
  But as I've integrated more and more, I'm able to kind of hold both realities and kind of live in, what's maybe the spiritual or the, you know, the internal world and also the external world and know that both are true and both are kind of a symphony by by the universe that's designed for both, for you and for everybody else. So hopefully that's a good place for the adolescent.
• 27:39
  Well, it's so well directed like you can, because one of the I mean, the Greeks would be like, if you have an answer to a question, go walk through the town, listen to the next person who says something out loud.
• 27:49
  That word or that sentence will guide you because God is that good.
• 27:54
  Basically.
• 27:55
  Like that's why like it's like, that's what I do too.
• 27:59
  But now the Greeks did it.
• 28:01
  Ancient.
• 28:02
  Ancient Greeks, yes.
• 28:06
  There's a great book and it's like, yeah, I'll send you the book.
• 28:09
  This is other.
• 28:09
  Yeah. This is this is a real thing.
• 28:11
  It's I can think of the word for it, but yeah, because they didn't have technology.
• 28:16
  What we do now, it's a lot of technology now.
• 28:17
  It's not it's a lot of like your Instagram feed and like refresh with an intention.
• 28:22
  And the first thing that pops up, like it could be very weird.
• 28:25
  It could be just a meme, but that will have some meaning for you that you can use to guide you in your circumstance.
• 28:30
  So like the internet where we're we're walking into the Age of Aquarius in terms of like the Pluto.
• 28:35
  So, you know, Capricorn was in Pluto, but it was in Capricorn for from 2008 to 2020 4 to 25 now.
• 28:44
  And so we saw a lot of change in Capricorn at times, where a lot of like banks and institutions, you know, like the media, traditional media I think is like really kind of turned around.
• 28:52
  And so some people are saying that's going to happen with technology in terms of like you're seeing a I potentially being the downsides of some of that, but also the positives are that like we're really connected and that, you know, in ways that the spirit is living in the, in the algorithm and it can like help you there too.
• 29:09
  And but also can, you know, can guide you in weird ways too.
• 29:11
  But it can also help you say to that intention, when you're in there, you know, and be like, true to what you what you said your higher self, like you said, what's the wizard anyway?
• 29:20
  Like there's definitely the wizard is good and bad.
• 29:22
  I mean, the Wizard of Oz and and wicked.
• 29:23
  Like he has his applause for sure.
• 29:25
  I mean, he kind of goes on a bad path in the first half.
• 29:28
  I don't know, half of the second half, Well, what's your I would say the thing that was interesting was I didn't have one before my dad died.
• 29:40
  I think that's going back to that question was I was kind of a lazy agnostic, and I was really just didn't have any systems.
• 29:46
  I didn't have much ethics at that point, honestly.
• 29:51
  And that really that transformation made me go searching.
• 29:55
  I stopped reading books.
• 29:55
  I mean, I was an English major.
• 29:57
  I was a writer who read really in screenplays and, and reading screenplay books for screenplays for a job.
• 30:03
  And so I finally quit that part of the job and just focused on a different part of that job at that company.
• 30:08
  And I started reading on my own.
• 30:10
  And so I was like, oh my gosh, like, there's so much that I have missed for the last five years.
• 30:16
  I didn't read for five years, which is crazy and embarrassing, but it's the case.
• 30:20
  And then when you read and you're like, oh, there's all these that you said system.
• 30:23
  So like the Enneagram was one that I found that was extremely helpful.
• 30:29
  And it's a it's a psychological and spiritual system.
• 30:32
  So it's like a lot psychology sometimes with CBT, CBT is like this behavioral therapy that when I was first diagnosed, they tried to put me in and I didn't really respond to it because it's very behavioral and it's positive for that regard.
• 30:46
  Like it definitely did help people, but it doesn't believe in the spiritual half of life a lot of times, like it doesn't say like so.
• 30:54
  So sometimes the meaning behind these things doesn't apply.
• 30:56
  It's like, oh, do this workbook or do this like restructuring of your brain, you know, in this very like logical way.
• 31:02
  But it's not like putting you in this heroic thing where you're like in relationship with everybody in the universe and with God and, you know, and so anyway, I'm, I think I found that it made a lot of sense because it had this polarity.
• 31:16
  It was like, I can see my darkness.
• 31:17
  I've lost Scorpio as well here.
• 31:19
  So I have Scorpio and it was like, okay, envy for the four is the negative and equanimity is the positive.
• 31:27
  And so I thought it was a four for a while, and I had a lot of extreme envy over people in my profession who are doing better than me.
• 31:34
  And I a lot of melancholy over that.
• 31:35
  Those are kind of the negative of the four, but having equanimity in that regard, in the sense of like being calm in the storm of whatever is presenting with you.
• 31:45
  Finding, finding out has a value to contrary to kind of whatever.
• 31:48
  I was feeling envy to go in the other state that allowed me to kind of find balance, and I would then I thought of myself as a seven, and that's gluttony and sober joy.
• 31:57
  Those are the those are the, the two poles.
• 32:00
  And so that helped me quit, you know, a lot of things as I was drinking cannabis food, you know, added sugars, you know, processed food, fried foods, pornography, quitting that, you know, and, and then so I was thinking about whenever the gluttony would arise, be like, okay, I need sober joy, joyous what is sober joy and is pursuing that.
• 32:21
  And then now I'm thinking about it in terms of, sick, which is fear and courage.
• 32:26
  And so this is going back to back to synchronicity for a second.
• 32:31
  We both love Vampire Weekend.
• 32:33
  I was walking in my neighborhood and I saw him and I passed by him and I was like, I think that was who I saw as okay, too.
• 32:41
  Yeah.
• 32:42
  What do you think, a vampire weekend?
• 32:42
  Yeah.
• 32:44
  And I was like, he's, you know, one of the my favorite living artists.
• 32:48
  I think his lyrics are incredible and they're really helpful during a lot of my own episodes or synchronicities, how I so I pause, I was like, what do I, what I, I was behind him.
• 32:59
  He didn't quite see me. I was like, what can I, I know he's like, yeah, yeah.
• 33:09
  I know.
• 33:15
  But like Ezra I know.
• 33:17
  And also because kids are rotisserie is where I would I went to eat like daily for two years and it's like just the word kismet is another word for synchronicity.
• 33:25
  It's like a, you know, coincidence.
• 33:26
  That's another one of the word for that meaning.
• 33:29
  And, so I pause and there's this word kairos that this guy Chris Mackie talks about, which is like, you have a this that you have.
• 33:37
  It also is like you have to use it in that moment sometimes.
• 33:40
  So you have to find kairos is like to be in the right place at the right time and making a decision in that moment.
• 33:45
  And so I was thinking in my head, I was like, what should I talk to him about?
• 33:48
  I was like, I have the graphic novel about guns I released last week.
• 33:51
  That's not really something he might be interested in necessarily.
• 33:54
  I wrote this saga about Kanye.
• 33:57
  I like his music, but that's, you know, not not directly him.
• 34:00
  But then I was thinking like, have either a soldier with music, he has his own podcast.
• 34:05
  He loves like talking about lyrics and just the meaning behind things.
• 34:09
  Has he ever practiced supplement it, which is kind of the bigger term for this.
• 34:12
  Like I call it security initiatives that realizing that on TikTok now, all these mostly women and witches and things like that, or like parking spots in Shuffle Man, which is comes from the word biblio mansi, which is people in the past that open up a Bible or a book and just pick a random passage, and that would be setting the intention and coming up with a guidance answer.
• 34:30
  Now it's like shuffle.
• 34:31
  Mansi is the word they use because it's shuffling.
• 34:33
  Instead of, you know, picking up a book randomly.
• 34:35
  So I just started talk to him about it.
• 34:38
  I said, have you heard of this?
• 34:39
  And he was like, no, that sounds interesting.
• 34:41
  I was like, well, I have this, you know, Substack.
• 34:43
  It was top 25 and on NPR for a while.
• 34:46
  And like I do some podcast and I love to, you know, maybe have you on in some form.
• 34:50
  And he was like, yeah, I mean, maybe I might be good.
• 34:53
  Like I just season through this, but, you know, here's my press person information.
• 34:57
  And I took that and, and went with it.
• 35:00
  But in terms of like the Enneagram in shuffle, like I had a lot of fear about going back to like, the old me wouldn't have gone.
• 35:06
  I would have just just been like, oh, he does want to talk to me.
• 35:09
  Like, why would you know that kind of thing?
• 35:10
  But then I thought that moment like, okay, tap into your six six and it's like, don't let the fear override your courage.
• 35:16
  Use your courage. Go up to him.
• 35:19
  You know, he's your age.
• 35:19
  Like he's literally your age.
• 35:20
  Like he's your peer. Like, think about him.
• 35:23
  Like that is a we're all humans.
• 35:24
  We're all for all God's children. People.
• 35:24
  I even started it.
• 35:27
  I was like, that's what your music is about.
• 35:29
  And, he kind of smiled and, and I tripped over something.
• 35:33
  I was like, you know, but so. So then, and then I did a shuffle afterwards.
• 35:39
  That's why as I tripped, because I was a little bit stormy, and I do shuffle like, what did as I think of this, you know, and I got this song by an artist called Stormy Six.
• 35:49
  Literally. I was the name of the artist.
• 35:50
  It's called Stormy Six.
• 35:52
  So I'm thinking about Enneagram six.
• 35:53
  I was like, you know, that's the real synchronicity, right?
• 35:55
  Is like having a little bit stormy.
• 35:57
  I was a stormy six and song is called Carmine, and the lyrics are like, I won't read them all, but Carmine is like, this character was like a barber, a bricklayer, a smuggler who's like, he's kind of like a beggar and kind of like a wild man and kind of a wild card, I would say, which I kind of, he's dated definitely a wild card and a time and every man.
• 36:18
  But he can sing and he can, like when you sing, if he makes everybody one person.
• 36:22
  And so I was feeling like when I told Ezra about the shuffle man, it was like, oh, this is something that Ezra doesn't know about music.
• 36:29
  It has a nose.
• 36:30
  A lot of like, I mean, one of the best musicians in the world.
• 36:33
  But there is this thing that I know about music, and many people besides me know about this that could help him, that could make him have a change in his life or his path or his when he makes music.
• 36:43
  And that interested him.
• 36:45
  And that could be something that I teach him.
• 36:47
  But then he teaches everybody else.
• 36:48
  Or like whoever is interested in his work can get guided by him.
• 36:51
  So it felt like in this moment, even I am calm, I even I am this kind of like guy who is fated to a different existence than him in terms of celebrity and like, and whatnot.
• 37:02
  Like, I can still have a role in the world that is as influential.
• 37:05
  And I think that's ultimately what I think is when I think of spirituality, it's like it's a way of dealing with whatever comes into your life and making it make sense so that it doesn't, like, harm you more than it should.
• 37:14
  It's like I'm supposed to experience this, whether that's an accident or that's a bipolar disorder, or that's like career failures and struggle is like, I'm supposed to go through that.
• 37:25
  I'm supposed to, like, have my Saturn in my ninth house.
• 37:27
  There's also publishing.
• 37:29
  And so, like, struggling to get things traditionally published.
• 37:33
  My graphic novel is not touristic publisher self-publishing being like, that's okay, we're going to do it this way.
• 37:38
  Like it was successful in the past, I suppose with other books I've done.
• 37:41
  So these are long winded responses, but like for me, sex is a really strong sign.
• 37:46
  Carmine.
• 37:47
  The song and yeah.
• 37:50
  So I thought there for that answer.
• 37:53
  yeah.
• 37:56
  Oh yeah, yeah, I was I was so sad there because I was we would love to like, because we talked to you.
• 38:00
  I was like, you guys love Africa as much as I do.
• 38:02
  Like, whenever I'm in your house, you're always playing map weekend.
• 38:05
  we talked about this life.
• 38:07
  And, like, you know, that that song particular, number of times, but.
• 38:11
  And you were like, hey, I got this great idea because you're like, you're genius. You're a producer.
• 38:16
  You make things happen. You're like, we already can do this podcast.
• 38:19
  It didn't happen because of the fires in L.A.
• 38:21
  we were going to do it.
• 38:22
  And we we didn't feel like it because it was just so rough over here, and we cancel it.
• 38:26
  But then you were like, you know what?
• 38:28
  We should reschedule the podcast for, like, right now and take this momentum and, like, share it with his PR person, because I've done other podcasts for this on my own and someone else is having as a guest.
• 38:38
  But like, you are making something amazing happen here, and I feel really comfortable on the space and we can show it off to as our community, as people and get them excited about it as a as a potential thing for him to want to be engaged in.
• 38:51
  And so that was your idea.
• 38:52
  I mean, that is like me sharing, what I'm going through.
• 38:56
  You coming up with something, you producing it and making it happen.
• 38:58
  So that's your genius right there.
• 39:17
  It's so fun. Yes.
• 39:19
  Yeah.
• 39:21
  It's so fun.
• 39:37
  Yeah.
• 39:39
  No. Okay.
• 39:41
  Yeah.
• 39:52
  Yeah.
• 39:52
  It is.
• 39:53
  And so fun for the music, too, because you can be, like, walking around and hear someone's car playing, and you just like, what does that mean?
• 39:59
  And that's fun.
• 39:59
  Like, and error because. Yeah.
• 40:03
  Oh my gosh. Yeah yeah.
• 40:04
  You need to do all right on time.
• 40:05
  And we got to do it.
• 40:06
  Yes, yes. So.
• 40:12
  Oh, wow.
• 40:13
  Okay.
• 40:14
  Amazing.
• 40:27
  I think it should be, like, honestly.
• 40:29
  And you have to do this.
• 40:30
  But what do you think?
• 40:31
  You don't want to say?
• 40:37
  Okay, so what are you scared about?
• 40:38
  But it's like, talk to me for a second about it.
• 40:43
  Yeah. Okay.
• 40:44
  This is. Yeah, yeah, this is any.
• 40:46
  That is so. Yeah.
• 40:48
  Your Enneagram is a vulnerability is like a difficult thing for you.
• 40:50
  But when you lean into it, it's positive. Yeah.
• 40:58
  Yeah.
• 41:00
  Yeah.
• 41:01
  For sure.
• 41:09
  Yes. What?
• 41:21
  Okay.
• 41:21
  Well, why?
• 41:22
  Go forth.
• 41:23
  That's insane.
• 41:26
  I can say.
• 41:34
  I know that is.
• 41:35
  That is thought of all that's crazy that someone's trolling you.
• 41:37
  I'm sorry about that.
• 41:39
  But second of all, you got you got a lot of five stars.
• 41:42
  Yeah, a lot of five stars.
• 41:43
  Also, like I told you, a lot harder.
• 41:45
  Like, I give you a four.
• 41:48
  When they give you a four, it's like it's a weird troll.
• 41:51
  You know, it's a positive.
• 41:52
  That troll is like, it's not really that that much.
• 41:53
  It's like, you know, like most rose to be like 1 or 0, but they're like.
• 42:00
  You for.
• 42:06
  Or maybe they miss clicked it.
• 42:07
  Maybe they miss clicked it.
• 42:08
  Let's be really generous and say it was like I miss click.
• 42:11
  You know, like like maybe was like an old aunt or something like that.
• 42:14
  Like some, like some of your mom's or dad's friends.
• 42:17
  They just like Miss Click the. Yeah.
• 42:26
  It's funny.
• 42:39
  Oh, for sure.
• 42:41
  But the word of mouth is going positive.
• 42:42
  Yeah, I think it's going really positive.
• 42:44
  Yeah.
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 43:05
  Yeah.
• 43:08
  Sometimes I even just say, like, what should I feel about moving to this next chapter in my life or what should I?
• 43:12
  Yeah. What's what, what can, what can be.
• 43:14
  Yeah.
• 43:14
  Can you think about like that.
• 43:16
  What?
• 43:19
  Yeah.
• 43:20
  And maybe I'll just give you a really positive song that, like, you should feel good about it.
• 43:24
  You know, I.
• 43:29
  Just put a lot of pressure on the universe.
• 43:34
  It comes through.
• 43:34
  It comes through in the crucible, and it pays off.
• 43:37
  Usually.
• 43:38
  what the question and say it together.
• 43:39
  Yeah.
• 43:46
  Yeah.
• 43:47
  Yeah I love that I'm feeling here.
• 43:58
  Of Know I'm.
• 44:00
  You need to.
• 44:09
  What is that?
• 44:15
  Dye flow.
• 44:17
  Interesting.
• 44:19
  Okay, here's my initial thoughts.
• 44:21
  You had a near-death experience that you're in flow state when you're talking about it, and you're you're bringing people at the flow state and whatever that defines it as, like, for me, music flows day in for people.
• 44:33
  I like people.
• 44:34
  But you had a death experience that brought you into flow state.
• 44:37
  I mean, it is like What is it for you?
• 44:38
  And why isn't the band health?
• 44:41
  What's the band? What's die flow?
• 44:43
  Yeah.
• 44:44
  So like you're talking you're helping people with health by going through a death experience.
• 44:48
  I mean, you did work online for two years after that, and now you're coming back Yeah. Now you. There you go.
• 44:54
  I did the thing right.
• 44:55
  I analyze it too quickly for you and I just gave you my answer.
• 44:58
  But you said, yeah, sorry.
• 45:01
  You're scared for a but.
• 45:02
  Yeah, but that's okay.
• 45:03
  That's that's it.
• 45:03
  That's the initial vulnerability.
• 45:05
  But I think it's like the perfect song out of all those songs.
• 45:09
  you know, it's they're dying fast.
• 45:13
  Frog better dies like this anyway.
• 45:16
  These are like for.
• 45:24
  That is to.
• 45:25
  Oh my gosh it is. That's what you told me.
• 45:28
  You're like that is the question you want to ask everybody, right.
• 45:32
  So there you go.
• 45:33
  Wow okay I'm going to answer that.
• 45:35
  Yeah. Yes.
• 45:45
  You know, literally behind you is Azalea Project, your documentary about death and dying.
• 45:51
  Wow. I believe strongly based on your experience, what we talked about and also my dad's experience that some part of you stays on around the world and guides people in your life and, and has an influence.
• 46:13
  And I think it's a great thing you're almost free to act in other ways and guide.
• 46:19
  And I'm excited for sometimes luck.
• 46:22
  It's weird to say, but like if I before I be petrified of death and now I sometimes I still I'm not, am not perfect.
• 46:28
  But I'm often like, wow, what would be the next chapter?
• 46:32
  Like, how can I help people?
• 46:34
  And I think my dad is so happy helping me all that.
• 46:37
  I think he's helping people in my life like my mom and and people we know.
• 46:41
  And and it's my sister. And so even though I want to die slow like this song and I want to have health that I want to contribute in this way, I, I'm fortunate to think at this point in my life that it could be a good experience, a die to some point, to, as my answer.
• 47:03
  This is so five.
• 47:14
  Quotes.
• 47:15
  I think it's true, I think I don't know.
• 47:17
  Yeah.
• 47:20
  Good, good.
• 47:21
  That's your vulnerability, right?
• 47:23
  It's like, you know, you're being so brave and you're doing it.
• 47:27
  And I'm really proud of you.
• 47:28
  So good for you.
• 47:33
  Yes. Thank you for inviting me.
• 47:37
  Yeah.
• 47:45
  Thanks.
• 47:46
  And yeah.
• 47:48
  And thanks for contributing to everybody else from your point where you you're gonna have such a big audience like you're going to take off and then you're going to help people with, with these new modality that you're exposing people to.
• 47:57
  So what you're doing is such a service for, our communities and humanity.
• 48:02
  I really believe that. So thank you.
• 48:06
  By Laura.
• 48:11
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• 48:16
  Let me know what you get.
• 48:17
  I hope it's more upbeat than Die Slow.
• 48:20
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• 48:21
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• 48:23
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• 48:30
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