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Sinuhe Xavier on Living in the Moment of Adventure · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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Speaker 1: your host, Scott Brady, and for today's interview, I spend
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Speaker 1: time with Sinway Xavier. Sinway's been a longtime personal friend.
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Speaker 1: He's been on the podcast before and it was one
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Speaker 1: we talk about his new vehicle, which is a Chevrolet
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Speaker 1: Bison AEV and he's doing a bunch of cool modifications
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Speaker 1: to that. We go into detail about his recent trips
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Speaker 1: of your recent travels.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean since the last time we were together,
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Speaker 2: I've done quite a bit, and I think if we
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Speaker 2: were just to go go back a little bit. One
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Speaker 2: of the most recent was driving from Panama to Mexico
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Speaker 2: in a nineteen sixty eight land Rovers Series two A.
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Speaker 2: And you know, my good friend Miguel in Mexico City
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Speaker 2: sent me this text, as he does often, and it says, hey,
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Speaker 2: I just bought a He sent me a picture. Actually
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Speaker 2: it was a picture of this land Rover in Columbia.
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Speaker 2: He's like, hey, I just bought this. Do you want
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Speaker 2: to drive to Mexico with me from Columbia? I said
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Speaker 2: yes because I love a great terrible idea. And this
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Speaker 2: was Geez. This was probably July or August of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one, and by February of twenty twenty two, he
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Speaker 2: still hadn't gotten the truck, but he had it, had
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Speaker 2: gotten it. You know, he finally did it.
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Speaker 1: Need to be driven through part of Columbia or was
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Speaker 1: it just getting get shipped?
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Speaker 2: He initially tried, I mean, you've got a Mexican dealing
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Speaker 2: with Colombians, and I mean it's it's a perfect analogy
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Speaker 2: to our friendship, his mexicanness dealing with my colombianness, and
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Speaker 2: it's like cultural difference. It's a culture cultural difference. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just it's it's it's comedy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you know, six months later, he finally flies down
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Speaker 2: there to Median and drives it from Median to Carta
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Speaker 2: Hannah to have it shipped from Carta Hannah to Panama.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't do it for whatever reason. I think I
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Speaker 2: was busy with the project. And you know, he's texted
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Speaker 2: me from the road He's like, Oh, this thing's amazing.
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Speaker 2: It works great, Like it's we're going to have such
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Speaker 2: a great trip. It's going to be in Panama in
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Speaker 2: three weeks. I'm like, okay, just let me know. And
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Speaker 2: this is you know, early early on in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: And as those things go, there's some quagmires happen, you know,
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Speaker 2: things don't exactly. I think we were supposed to be.
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Speaker 2: It was supposed to be kind of an end of
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Speaker 2: February my birthday type of trip. Fast forward to May,
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Speaker 2: early May. I fly to Mexico City to meet him,
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Speaker 2: to fly to Panama to get the truck. And I'm
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Speaker 2: hanging out in Mexico City and I keeps he's this
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Speaker 2: this ball of stress, just you know, like I don't
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Speaker 2: know what's going on, you know, like it hasn't left
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Speaker 2: cart the Hana. They keep telling me they're putting it
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Speaker 2: on the next boat. They're putting it on the next boat. Sure,
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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, you know whatever, Like I you know,
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Speaker 2: these it's not a bad place to be. Yeah, Mexico
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Speaker 2: City is a great place to be. The food's the
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Speaker 2: best in the world, and that's interesting. We have to
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Speaker 2: dig into that. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm hanging out in
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Speaker 2: Mexico City and you know, meanwhile, I have my friends
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Speaker 2: are all you know, my California, La friends. They're all
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Speaker 2: going to uh to Baja to RaSE the Mexican one
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Speaker 2: thousand and I'm like, Miguel, what's up with this this car?
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Speaker 2: Because I'm going to fly to Baja real quick and
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Speaker 2: the Mexican one thousand and then we can go do
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Speaker 2: this this trip. Sure, And he's like, go do the Mexican.
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Speaker 2: He's so frustrated with these these people. It's like, go
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Speaker 2: do the Mexican one thousands. I go do the Mexican
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Speaker 2: one thousand and finish that and then fly by. Then
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Speaker 2: he has jumped through so many hoops. I can't imagine
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Speaker 2: the stress that he's had because he's literally flown to
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Speaker 2: Panama City, taken a taxi out to the port town
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Speaker 2: of I can't remember what it is because I've never
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Speaker 2: been there. Yeah, but it's the port town out on
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Speaker 2: the east coast on the Caribbean of Panama. Picks up
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Speaker 2: his car, you know, and has to pay bribes and
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Speaker 2: all this stuff, you know, like the port's on strike,
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Speaker 2: but it's not on strike if you pay him money.
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Speaker 2: Like all the weird Panama stuff.
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Speaker 3: So I fly.
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Speaker 1: Usually Panama's pretty good as far as Central American countries
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Speaker 1: go on shipping, they're usually pretty good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what that economy is, right. Sure
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Speaker 2: shoots the Panama Canal. It is. So I fly down
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Speaker 2: to Panama. I get there at like six in the morning,
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Speaker 2: and I meet meet with Miguel and I'm like, how's
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Speaker 2: the car. He's like, so good man, we're dial We
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Speaker 2: had a few little things. There was a leak there,
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Speaker 2: you know, we have it's hit the mechanics right now,
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Speaker 2: but we're we're dial like great. So I've got a
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Speaker 2: full day in Panama City while they're finishing things up.
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Speaker 2: You know. The next day we get on the road
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Speaker 2: and it's pouring rain, you know, like Central America lawn rain. Sure,
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Speaker 2: and literally day one it's just spewing cool out of
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Speaker 2: the back of the engine, you know, day one, hour
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Speaker 2: four and so you're barely out of metro barely. I
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Speaker 2: mean we were. We were like three hours out of
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Speaker 2: Panama City, okay, right, you know, and that's a good
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Speaker 2: road's road, pan American Highway. Were cruising along and come
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Speaker 2: to find out, you know, after you know, being in
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Speaker 2: the car with Miguel and actually being able to catch
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Speaker 2: up on what was going on is you know, on
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Speaker 2: those little series motors. Was there in England and in
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Speaker 2: Europe and North America there was the the back of
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Speaker 2: the engine had about a i'd say a one inch
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Speaker 2: hole in it. That was your heater. Oh you know,
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Speaker 2: went to the heater core. Well that in South America
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Speaker 2: and the equatorial countries, they just plug that up with something.
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Speaker 3: You didn't need.
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Speaker 2: It didn't need it, you didn't need a heater, so
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Speaker 2: it just stayed plugged. Well, this plug had rotted to
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Speaker 2: nothing and was spewing coolant out of it, and it
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Speaker 2: was such that it was in the back of the engine.
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Speaker 2: You had like you know, an inch maybe to get
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Speaker 2: back there to actually see it pretty clearly where it's coming,
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Speaker 2: clearly where it's coming from, and I mean to the
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Speaker 2: point where, like when it actually broke open, you could
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Speaker 2: feel it against the firewall of you know, the bulkhead
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Speaker 2: of the of the land rover. So it's spewing we
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Speaker 2: I don't you know, JB. Well every type of thing
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Speaker 2: I think we had, maybe the bottom of a of
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Speaker 2: a soda can like covering it, you know, whatever it took.
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Speaker 2: But we get down the road, you know, like it's going.
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Speaker 2: We figured it out on this little shop. And the
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Speaker 2: amazing thing about any developing country that I've ever been
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Speaker 2: in is when you're a traveler, those guys are rooting
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Speaker 2: for you. They are they will drop anything to help
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Speaker 2: you get back on the road. Sure, and not that
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Speaker 2: these guys at the first shop that we stopped at
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Speaker 2: had anything going on. They were like, all right, we're
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Speaker 2: going to figure this out and get you back on
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Speaker 2: the road. You need to get get going north. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and what a novelty to see this fifty year old
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Speaker 2: car with a Mexican and a Colombian.
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Speaker 3: Totally.
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Speaker 2: So we cruise north and we make it that night
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Speaker 2: to not as far as we had hoped, but we
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Speaker 2: make it to this little you know, we pull in
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Speaker 2: and it's these little cabanas that cost like sixty bucks
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Speaker 2: a night. You know, it was it's exciting sixty bucks
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Speaker 2: a night. But they were great. I mean they were
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Speaker 2: like gotcha, first class, gotcha. Yeah. So like a little
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Speaker 2: hotel room, like a little hotel about. It was a cavana,
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Speaker 2: you know, with a pool and fed dinner, you know,
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Speaker 2: like the Falling Crois room. Yeah, it was amazing. The
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Speaker 2: next morning we get on the road, it's it's you know,
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Speaker 2: this foggy scene and jungle and you know, I literally
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Speaker 2: look over to Miguel and I go, dude, this is
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Speaker 2: it We're driving north on the Pan American Highway, like
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Speaker 2: does it get any better than this? Like how lucky
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Speaker 2: are we? You know? And we're cruise along and then
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Speaker 2: you could feel whatever we'd use to plug that hole
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Speaker 2: hit the bulkhead and just steam everywhere. And there we
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Speaker 2: are on the side of the road, just dead. Everything's
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Speaker 2: wet because we're in a land rover and it'd been raining, right,
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Speaker 2: So I just get out and I start hanging my
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Speaker 2: clothes up and everything's wet, and I'm like, here, we're
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Speaker 2: not going anywhere, right, And so we get towed to David,
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Speaker 2: which is a northern city in Panama, and we get
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Speaker 2: a little bit more resources there too. Yeah, there's more resources.
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Speaker 2: It's a it's a decent town, you know, it's not
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Speaker 2: it's not a small place. It's not big by any means.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing over four stories there. Sure, But we'd heard
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Speaker 2: about a European mechanic there, a check guy. It's been
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Speaker 2: in been in Panama for a while. And we get
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Speaker 2: the car towed there and the guy's just looking at
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Speaker 2: it and he's speaks perfect Spanish. So he and Miguel
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Speaker 2: are going back and forth and he's never worked on
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Speaker 2: a land Rover before. But how complicated could it be?
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Speaker 3: Sure?
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Speaker 2: You know, like it's it's a land rover. Blah blah
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. We end up within the span and
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Speaker 2: and like, like I said, drops everything and the only
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Speaker 2: thing in this this shop. And I say it's a shop,
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Speaker 2: it's it's literally a palapa, right, you know, with with
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Speaker 2: a lift in it. And on this lift is a
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Speaker 2: range rover sport that is in a million pieces. Like
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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with range rovers and I've never seen a
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Speaker 2: range rover in this. Like the monocoque shell was off
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Speaker 2: of the tray on the bottom and the engine was
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Speaker 2: sideways with all the pieces off, and wow, you know
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Speaker 2: there's BMW's but no old cars. But he takes we
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Speaker 2: take the engine out, We send the engine, like the
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Speaker 2: engine disappears on the back of a truck. Sure to
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Speaker 2: go get it machined so that we could machine a
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Speaker 2: plug and actually do it right. Sure, so it's not
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Speaker 2: going to corrode that whole thing. And then it's just
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Speaker 2: gone and we're just hanging out at this shop with
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Speaker 2: a pit bull on a chain. You know, We're just like,
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Speaker 2: all right, how how long is this gonna take? Well,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's at the shop. Can we check. No,
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Speaker 2: they'll get to us. So a day goes by and
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Speaker 2: we're like, how how long is this gonna take? When
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Speaker 2: they get when they get done, yeah, manyana, manyana, when
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Speaker 2: they get done, they'll get done. And we're just like, okay,
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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. It's such a blur. I
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Speaker 2: think we were there two nights. That's not too bad.
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Speaker 2: No for pulling an engine. Sure, you know, the engine
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Speaker 2: comes back and we put it, put it back in.
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Speaker 2: You know, Miguel had traveled with a new clutch some
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Speaker 2: other parts that he decided to put on.
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Speaker 3: Might as well do it all the engines.
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Speaker 2: Might as well do it while the engines out right.
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Speaker 2: So we get the engine back in and as soon
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Speaker 2: as we try and drive, I'm like, dude, this clutch
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Speaker 2: isn't This clutch isn't right. There's something completely off with
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Speaker 2: this clutch. He's like, I don't care. We're going I'm like,
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Speaker 2: all right, I mean it drives like, we barely get
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Speaker 2: in the first gear. But let's go going north, and
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Speaker 2: we just head north and we get into.
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Speaker 3: Probably got the Nicaragua next.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well cost Rica, oh cos yeah, And we get
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Speaker 2: to the co streaking border and it is a quagmire
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Speaker 2: like I've never seen. It's pouring rain. There's all these
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Speaker 2: semi trucks that are blot like sure a mile back.
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Speaker 2: We walk up and we talk to the people at
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Speaker 2: the window and they're like, well, if you just and
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Speaker 2: they show on the map, if you just go up
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Speaker 2: head east along the border, you're going to see an
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Speaker 2: alley way that gets you through. And we're like, what
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Speaker 2: what do you mean. They're like, yeah, just go through,
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Speaker 2: like and then go to the Costa Rican side and
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Speaker 2: they'll they'll check you in and go. But don't we
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Speaker 2: need to check out. I'm like, it's Panama, Like nobody cares.
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Speaker 2: So we literally cross the border through this muddy alley
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Speaker 2: you know, and end up in Costa Rica and Pavonas
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Speaker 2: And it was really really like Pavonas, is this the
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Speaker 2: one of the longest left breaks surf breaks in the world. Wow,
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Speaker 2: And I'm not a surfer route and identify as a
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Speaker 2: surfer rount and get surfing, you know, like Mahalo. It
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Speaker 2: was going off. And to be in this town and
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Speaker 2: see the energy of the surfers and these people just
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Speaker 2: so psyched about that wave was incredible.
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Speaker 3: That is incredible.
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Speaker 2: You know. The next day we get on the road.
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Speaker 2: The truck's running great. It's torrential rain, the kind of
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Speaker 2: rain you read it. You know, I'm sitting there, Miguel's driving,
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Speaker 2: and my windshield wiper just goes flying off. It's gone.
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Speaker 3: The goes the.
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Speaker 2: Full like things gone. It's just like, all right, so
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Speaker 2: that's just how we've got one windshield wiper. It's cool,
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Speaker 2: and we're cruising along and then the we'd filled up
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Speaker 2: with gas and then the truck just dies right on
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Speaker 2: the highway on the inside of this turn, and Miguel
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Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to back up down to the bottom. Like, dude,
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Speaker 2: We're not backing up anywhere. I'm just super safe guy,
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Speaker 2: you know, like abnormally safe. But you know, there's trucks
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Speaker 2: coming by and everything. And finally, you know, we get
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Speaker 2: get a toe again into I can't remember what town
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Speaker 2: it was, but it was a terrible coaster, like super touristy, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, everyone like trying to sell you a picture
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Speaker 2: with the iguana, you know, a type of players. We're
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Speaker 2: there and it's like, all right, we need to figure
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Speaker 2: out this car. Let's try and find a mechanic here
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Speaker 2: that can figure out like, did we get bad gas?
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Speaker 2: Do we need to drain the gas? What's what's the issue.
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Speaker 2: You know, we had a mechanic come and he's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, your battery is good? I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: called my contact in San Jose, the capital, who was
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Speaker 2: a very tied end to the whole land Rover nice world,
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Speaker 2: you know, super good guy to know Jose, and he
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Speaker 2: was mixed, like, here's the shop. You need to get
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Speaker 2: to this shop, he's the landrover guy. He'll take care
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Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, you know, I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to San Jose. I'm over this. You know, if
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Speaker 2: you can get the car fixed in two days, cool,
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Speaker 2: If not, I'm going today to Santa Teresa to my
15:39
Speaker 2: buddy's hotel and I'm going to hang out. Okay, you
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Speaker 2: can fix the Yeah, you can fix the land Rover
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Speaker 2: that was supposed to be fixed by the time we
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Speaker 2: got on. And then you know, if it's fixed in
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Speaker 2: two days, we'll continue going north. If it's not fixing
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Speaker 2: two days, I'm flying home. Sure over over the land
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Speaker 2: Rover that breaks down every day. Sure he gets it fixed,
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Speaker 2: and it's great, like, and we get on the road
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Speaker 2: and we're cruising. You know, after two days it was
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Speaker 2: two days. I had a wonderful two days and in
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Speaker 2: Santa Terresa with my friends at House of Somos.
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Speaker 3: And you're ready to get back on the road.
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Speaker 2: Was ready to get back on the road, like I.
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Speaker 2: So I fly from Santa Dresa to Liberia and we
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Speaker 2: jump in the truck and we're heading north to Nicaragua.
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Speaker 2: We've got lots of time. It's super cool, like we're cruising,
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Speaker 2: trucks running great, nice run the great, the best it's been.
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Speaker 2: We get to the Nicaragua border and they're like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you need a negative COVID test. It's like, go get
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Speaker 2: the negative COVID test. Have to you know, it costs
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Speaker 2: us an arm and a leg. Sure cost Rica because
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Speaker 2: everything's expensive in Costa Rica. We get back to the border,
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Speaker 2: get through, and then it's like they're looking at our
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Speaker 2: passports and they're like a Colombian and a Mexican no joking, no,
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Speaker 2: like anything, it's where's the drugs? Like we don't have
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Speaker 2: any drugs? Like go through, go through our stuff. No,
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Speaker 2: where's it hiding in the truck, Like take the truck apart.
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Speaker 2: It's a tin can. You can't hide drugs anywhere. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and they're underneath it, like knocking on stuff, patting it down.
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Speaker 2: All our stuff's just flipped out of the truck. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's getting dark and it's raining, you know, and here
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Speaker 2: we are at the Nickeroguan border and they take it.
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Speaker 2: They're like, well, we're gonna go x ray it. Go ahead,
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Speaker 2: go xtray it, you know, like there's nothing in this truck,
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Speaker 2: like you can, you can, you don't need to x
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Speaker 2: ray it, right, there's no there's no hidden valley exactly.
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Speaker 2: They're like, well, it's in the frame. We know it's
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Speaker 2: in the frame, okay, like whatever. So they go the
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Speaker 2: x ray and like, well the x ray doesn't show anything,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to drill holes in the frame. They
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Speaker 2: drilled eight holes in the frame, four on each side. Wow,
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Speaker 2: with nothing, you know. And at this point it's almost midnight.
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Speaker 2: We've been there since six pm at the border dealing
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Speaker 2: with this and they're about to close.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of a frame being drilled at Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is the first time for that.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So it's midnight and that's clearly not the
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Speaker 2: drug running vehicle of choice. No Classic Land run Classic Land. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. I mean it's slow, it's exactly there's no
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Speaker 2: place to hide, any place to hide anything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So it's midnight and they closed the border at midnight,
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Speaker 2: like you can't go on after midnight. And Miguel goes
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Speaker 2: running in because he's got the stamps from all of
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Speaker 2: our stuff, you know, he goes running in and the
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Speaker 2: guy like pulls the blinds down and then he brings
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Speaker 2: him back up, gives us our stamp, and we're in
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Speaker 2: to Nicaragua. Yeah, you know, and what a beautiful country.
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Speaker 2: Nicaragua was amazing. The roads, the roads are the roads
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Speaker 2: are great. Well there, so they sound better than when
18:40
Speaker 2: I was there. Yeah, the roads were super rough.
18:43
Speaker 1: I remember one out of leone was just it was
18:45
Speaker 1: probably the worst potholes I'd ever seen.
18:47
Speaker 2: Really. No, the roads were great. We cruised through Nicaragua
18:51
Speaker 2: nice into El Salvador. Oh, we had to go through
18:54
Speaker 2: hun Dress right.
18:56
Speaker 3: That one little that one little corner.
18:57
Speaker 2: That one little corner. And we planned on getting to
19:01
Speaker 2: Honduras earlier, but we got into Honduras just about as
19:04
Speaker 2: the sun was going down and we didn't want to
19:06
Speaker 2: spend the night in Honduras. We just want to get
19:08
Speaker 2: through it, get to El Salvador. And it's raining, Like
19:13
Speaker 2: just just take that. Like the rest of this story.
19:16
Speaker 2: It's raining. It rain the entire time. But we get
19:20
Speaker 2: into Hunters and we're driving along and we have like
19:23
Speaker 2: maybe another two three hours in Honduras and the headlights
19:27
Speaker 2: just go out. They don't get dimmed, they just they
19:30
Speaker 2: just go out. Lucas, Lucas, the Prince of Darkness is
19:33
Speaker 2: living up to his name. And we pull over on
19:37
Speaker 2: the side of the road and we're in Honduras and
19:40
Speaker 2: you've heard nothing but nightmares, right, Honduras, Right, it could
19:42
Speaker 2: be a challenge, dangerous place. It's all these things, blah
19:46
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And we're on the side of
19:47
Speaker 2: the road with no lights in this truck and you know,
19:53
Speaker 2: a Hunter and stops and you know, he's like, hey,
19:55
Speaker 2: can we help you, and you're like, you know, I sure,
19:58
Speaker 2: like we're not exactly sure what's going on. And he's
20:01
Speaker 2: put he's got a flashlight, you know, he's poking around
20:04
Speaker 2: in there and he's like, I don't know. And then
20:07
Speaker 2: Miguel's in the in the driver's seat, and he's flicking
20:10
Speaker 2: things around and he did something you like one of
20:13
Speaker 2: those one up, three down, yeah, cross your finger, and
20:16
Speaker 2: the lights come on and we goes like, okay, we've
20:19
Speaker 2: got lights, let's go. And we we have no idea
20:23
Speaker 2: what it was. We had lights and we can figure
20:26
Speaker 2: it out later. We'll figure it out later. And we
20:28
Speaker 2: get on the road and we just go. We make
20:30
Speaker 2: it into Al Salvador and I'll Salvador.
20:33
Speaker 1: Because what how far is it between those two? Because
20:36
Speaker 1: when I went through Honduras, I went through Taguchi Galpa,
20:38
Speaker 1: and I went I came into Copon City in the north,
20:41
Speaker 1: so we took the long way through. But yeah, that
20:43
Speaker 1: little corner looks like it's fairly short. It's super fifty sixty.
20:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. And the time suck is always
20:50
Speaker 2: the crossing. Yeah sure, because especially Nicaragua, coming in and
20:55
Speaker 2: out of Nicaragua was was a challenge. It was absolutely,
20:59
Speaker 2: I mean, paperwork isn't right. It's your paperwork, you know.
21:02
Speaker 2: The guys on the other side did that. It's not us,
21:05
Speaker 2: you know, and they're just super super tough you know,
21:09
Speaker 2: to deal with. Everywhere else it was a breeze nice,
21:13
Speaker 2: you know, just yeah, so Yeah, coming out of Honduras
21:17
Speaker 2: into El Salvador, it's it's late at night, it's raining,
21:22
Speaker 2: but you know, El Salvador was great, you know. And
21:24
Speaker 2: I learned that El Salvador has more volcanoes than any
21:28
Speaker 2: other country and it's one of the teeniest countries. Yeah, yeah,
21:32
Speaker 2: teeny country. And I drove all the way through El
21:36
Speaker 2: Salvador and we had one stop before Guatemala, and that
21:40
Speaker 2: clutch had just wrecked me. I could barely walk by
21:44
Speaker 2: the time we got to Guatemala. My legs they're so heavy,
21:47
Speaker 2: those clutches are so heavy. You know. Guatemala again uneventful.
21:51
Speaker 2: I got to spend some great time with my family there.
21:54
Speaker 2: They live in Antigua and Guatemala City, and it was
21:57
Speaker 2: just wonderful. That is a great bookend of the trip.
22:00
Speaker 2: It was just it was one of those trips that
22:02
Speaker 2: like anything that could possibly go wrong went wrong, and
22:06
Speaker 2: we just we got no you know, squabbles with each other,
22:09
Speaker 2: as travelers do, but then there's that mutual respect that
22:13
Speaker 2: kept you going. You know. It was one of the
22:16
Speaker 2: great trips of my life that was completely on pavement.
22:20
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean there was a few a few
22:23
Speaker 2: things that we did that were off pavement, but it
22:26
Speaker 2: was brutal in that truck hold well.
22:27
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is overlanding. You can go around
22:31
Speaker 1: the world overlanding and not go off pavement and you
22:34
Speaker 1: can still be overlanding.
22:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:36
Speaker 1: If you if you cross all of Russia and you
22:39
Speaker 1: drive all the way the length of the Pan American
22:41
Speaker 1: most of it is paved, Yeah, and you're having one
22:44
Speaker 1: hell of an overland adventure.
22:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the fun thing about that trip is I've
22:48
Speaker 2: always always, I've done it here in the US a
22:52
Speaker 2: few times where I've bought a car, bottom motorcycle or
22:54
Speaker 2: something and flown there, grab it and ridden back, driven back.
22:59
Speaker 2: It's fun. You know, you've got this new thing that
23:01
Speaker 2: you don't know. You know, you're trusting somebody that says
23:05
Speaker 2: it's great. And I've always wanted to do that internationally
23:08
Speaker 2: and that my friend Miguel did it and we pulled
23:11
Speaker 2: it off and it was just it was so much
23:13
Speaker 2: fun because you know, we just figured it out as
23:17
Speaker 2: we went. Did you have any any lessons, any takeaways
23:20
Speaker 2: from that? I think at my stage, it's it's reinforcement
23:25
Speaker 2: of previous lessons, you know, of just like, hey, it's
23:29
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. No one's hurt, no
23:32
Speaker 2: one's life's in danger. You know, you just need to
23:36
Speaker 2: be patient and things work themselves out. Kind of that
23:39
Speaker 2: constant forward motion too, that I keep moving through the obstacle. Yeah, totally. Well,
23:44
Speaker 2: it's you know, I think I learned it in mountaineering,
23:46
Speaker 2: and something that a mentor of mine, Ace Cavali, always
23:50
Speaker 2: says is constant forward motion. You know, you just no
23:53
Speaker 2: matter what, you just keep moving, especially after you've reached
23:57
Speaker 2: the summit, because the summit's only half there. You know.
24:00
Speaker 2: It was that constant forward motion of not getting discouraged,
24:03
Speaker 2: you know, because it's easy to just throw your hands
24:06
Speaker 2: up and go, the car's broken, we don't know what's
24:09
Speaker 2: wrong with it, right, but let's keep pushing it forward,
24:11
Speaker 2: Let's keep moving. And you had a heck of an
24:13
Speaker 2: adventure because of it. Oh yeah, it was amazing.
24:15
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things that a
24:17
Speaker 1: lot of people that maybe even look down on a
24:20
Speaker 1: classic land Rover for travel miss is that it kind
24:24
Speaker 1: of guarantees adventure. I mean, I don't want to speak
24:27
Speaker 1: for you, but for me, that's kind of what I
24:29
Speaker 1: signed up for. I wanted things to be difficult, and
24:33
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn about myself and to grow and
24:35
Speaker 1: to have challenges along the way. And if you drive
24:38
Speaker 1: a what year.
24:39
Speaker 2: Was that, it was a sixty seven.
24:41
Speaker 1: If you drive a sixty seven series land Rover, you're
24:44
Speaker 1: going to have one hell of an adventure pretty much guaranteed.
24:47
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And you know, in much to mcguell's credit,
24:50
Speaker 2: he had all the right tools, yeah, all the right
24:53
Speaker 2: spare parts as well as he could sure, you know,
24:56
Speaker 2: without carrying it, without toying a totally sever the truck, right.
25:00
Speaker 2: That makes it easier. That makes the adventure easier, really,
25:03
Speaker 2: you know that It's part of the way I personally
25:07
Speaker 2: learned being out there and having these types of trips
25:10
Speaker 2: is be as prepared as you can be, right, and
25:13
Speaker 2: the breakdown, the getting stuck is part of it, you know.
25:17
Speaker 2: You know, our mutual friend Jack Quinlan really embraced that,
25:20
Speaker 2: you know, and I really learned from him to embrace that.
25:23
Speaker 2: The you know, hey, this is part of the deal.
25:25
Speaker 2: And if we get into camp or the next town
25:28
Speaker 2: at three am, it's part of the deal. Was we
25:31
Speaker 2: had this time on the side of the road, like
25:33
Speaker 2: the time you got stuck in Columbia, you know exactly.
25:37
Speaker 2: That was all the Panadas had, alladas.
25:42
Speaker 1: The little shop, you know, like their kids are going
25:45
Speaker 1: to college now and everything else.
25:47
Speaker 3: It was good. Yeah, you know.
25:48
Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting there on the side of the
25:50
Speaker 1: road with a broken BMW and and you know, just
25:53
Speaker 1: waiting for you guys to come back.
25:56
Speaker 2: But it's talking to the locals.
25:57
Speaker 3: It was great.
25:58
Speaker 2: Part of the thing, you know, part of the part
26:00
Speaker 2: of the deal.
26:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:00
Speaker 1: It kind of forces you to be to work through it, ye, yeah,
26:04
Speaker 1: which is really good.
26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome.
26:06
Speaker 1: Well you've also did recently. You also did a trip
26:10
Speaker 1: with Camp Yoshi. Yeah, a couple of them actually. Yeah,
26:13
Speaker 1: it's going to talk a little bit about who they
26:15
Speaker 1: are and maybe a little bit about the adventure that
26:18
Speaker 1: you did.
26:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Camp Yoshi and I two brothers, Ron and Rashad,
26:23
Speaker 2: and very different brothers.
26:25
Speaker 3: Where does the Yoshi come from? What is is it
26:28
Speaker 3: a last name or what?
26:28
Speaker 2: Did you know? Yoshi? It's Japanese and I forget exactly
26:34
Speaker 2: what it means. It's something good. Yeah, but you know,
26:40
Speaker 2: and Ron and Rashad are brothers and very different backgrounds.
26:43
Speaker 2: Ron is in finance of some sort and Rashad's a
26:46
Speaker 2: chef that was in finance at one point, and they
26:50
Speaker 2: started this travel company essentially to open the doors for
26:56
Speaker 2: people of color. Yeah, and it's something that I'd never
26:59
Speaker 2: really considered. You know. Generationally, black folks didn't feel comfortable
27:06
Speaker 2: in the outdoors because it was a dangerous place for them. Sure,
27:09
Speaker 2: you know, in the in the forties, fifties, sixties, that
27:13
Speaker 2: was a very dangerous place for a black person to
27:15
Speaker 2: be sure, it was out in the middle of nowhere.
27:17
Speaker 2: And we've evolved and we've come to a new time.
27:20
Speaker 2: But generationally, the guys that are our age, their parents
27:25
Speaker 2: didn't take them camping, right, you know. And what Ron
27:29
Speaker 2: and Rashad want to do is they want to open
27:31
Speaker 2: the outdoors to them, show them that they're welcome there,
27:35
Speaker 2: show them that there's nothing to be afraid of, that
27:38
Speaker 2: it's incredible benefits. Yeah, there's really incredible benefits to it,
27:42
Speaker 2: you know, that it's an incredible place to be. So
27:44
Speaker 2: they started Camp Yoshi. I was introduced to them on
27:48
Speaker 2: their second or third trip, their first trip to Moab essentially,
27:53
Speaker 2: and they wanted to like, how do we do Moab right? Right?
27:57
Speaker 2: And what really impressed me about them was we don't
28:00
Speaker 2: know anything about camping in the desert, traveling through the desert.
28:03
Speaker 2: How do we do it right with minimal impact. We
28:06
Speaker 2: want to teach our clients the right way to do
28:09
Speaker 2: this word on the street. And I can't remember how
28:12
Speaker 2: the word on the street got to them that I
28:14
Speaker 2: was the right person to ask, sure, but you know,
28:17
Speaker 2: they reached out and I ended up there and we
28:21
Speaker 2: had an incredible you know, four or five days there,
28:25
Speaker 2: and I hooked them up with Nina Barlow, who taught
28:27
Speaker 2: them about driving and minimal impact. Sure, and I taught
28:33
Speaker 2: them about you know, minimal impact when you're camping, you know,
28:37
Speaker 2: about wag bags, about you know, and these guys when
28:40
Speaker 2: they heard about wag bags, you should have seen their faces.
28:43
Speaker 2: They were like.
28:45
Speaker 3: What we're going to do? What you were going to do?
28:47
Speaker 2: What? But then there was that initial trip with them,
28:50
Speaker 2: and then I actually came back because I wanted to
28:53
Speaker 2: see how this was implemented with their clients. Sure, And
28:56
Speaker 2: when I went back on their first trip, it really
29:00
Speaker 2: it just really made me proud that here were the
29:04
Speaker 2: two guys, my my two guys that I taught the
29:07
Speaker 2: best that I knew how, and then they had I
29:10
Speaker 2: think it was twelve clients and then their three or
29:13
Speaker 2: four support staff sure that they were, you know, basically
29:18
Speaker 2: repeating almost verbatim about cryptobiotic soil, about how to travel
29:23
Speaker 2: through washes, about sanitary issues. Yeah, and just and then
29:29
Speaker 2: here were these twelve people that for their first camping trip.
29:33
Speaker 2: It was I think for those twelve people, ten of
29:36
Speaker 2: them it was their very first time camping. Wow, you know,
29:40
Speaker 2: definitely their first time in Moab, and then they were
29:42
Speaker 2: learning this very low impact way of traveling through the desert.
29:46
Speaker 2: So from that, you know, they they basically said, well, similar,
29:49
Speaker 2: how can we do something else? How do we go
29:52
Speaker 2: to Canyonlands three to zero one? You know, the ap course,
29:56
Speaker 2: the you know, how do we get our masters? So
29:59
Speaker 2: we went out and we basically did instead of a
30:03
Speaker 2: base camp type of thing that they did on their
30:06
Speaker 2: inaugural trip, we did more of a car camping overland
30:11
Speaker 2: trip where we went was it three days three or
30:14
Speaker 2: four days, but you know, we went out and explored
30:18
Speaker 2: with our friends from Huckburry as well, and we went
30:21
Speaker 2: out and explored like, Okay, how could we put this
30:24
Speaker 2: trip together where it's a little spicy with some driving,
30:27
Speaker 2: amazing topography. I really want to introduce them to the
30:34
Speaker 2: cultural the ancient pub Blowans that were there previous to us,
30:37
Speaker 2: So they have a history like this isn't I think
30:40
Speaker 2: for me? And it comes back to how my perception
30:43
Speaker 2: of the area. As soon as I realized that the
30:46
Speaker 2: desert wasn't this wasteland and it had nurtured life for
30:50
Speaker 2: thousands of years, it made me really tweak my perspective
30:54
Speaker 2: on the Colorado Plateau.
30:56
Speaker 1: And you've gone through that process over decades. And I
30:59
Speaker 1: mean you've traveling the Colorado Plateau for at least twenty.
31:03
Speaker 2: Years, having just turned fifty it's now thirty years.
31:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both just turned it.
31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. My first time I'd been mountain biking there
31:14
Speaker 2: quite a bit, you know, Bob Allen took me down
31:16
Speaker 2: there for the first time. It's mountain bike. But then
31:18
Speaker 2: my first time to really get deep was with with
31:22
Speaker 2: Seldom Seen Smith ok of you know, at Abbey History.
31:26
Speaker 2: And I'd been I'd been mountain biking up on Poison
31:29
Speaker 2: Spider and this old jeep, flat fender jeep comes creaking
31:34
Speaker 2: up behind me and this guy just goes out of
31:37
Speaker 2: my way, you sprockehead, you know, and I'm like, who
31:42
Speaker 2: is this guy like whatever, get by, you know. He
31:45
Speaker 2: cruises by, and a couple of miles down the trail,
31:48
Speaker 2: he's in a nice shady spot and he's got his
31:50
Speaker 2: igloo cooler with water out and he's making a baloneyan
31:53
Speaker 2: mayonnaise sandwich. I ride up and he's like, he goes, oh,
31:56
Speaker 2: you want to you know, you want a sandwich? You
31:58
Speaker 2: want to some water? And I'm like, yeah, sure, you know,
32:00
Speaker 2: shady spot and I'll eat this. We get to chatting,
32:04
Speaker 2: you know. He finds out I'm from Montana, and he
32:06
Speaker 2: asked me about Doug Peacock. He goes, well, you must
32:08
Speaker 2: know Doug Peacock. I go, well, Doug Peacock, who you
32:12
Speaker 2: know in the book? Is hey, dude, okay you and
32:16
Speaker 2: Doug Peacock was my creative writing professor. Oh wow recently,
32:20
Speaker 2: you know. So I tell him this and he's, you know,
32:22
Speaker 2: eyes light up. He said, of course, you know, Doug.
32:24
Speaker 2: He goes, well, have you ever been down into canyon lands?
32:27
Speaker 2: And I got no, What's what's canyon lands? You know?
32:30
Speaker 2: Like to me, Moab? Was it?
32:32
Speaker 3: Sure?
32:32
Speaker 2: You know? Because that was mountain biking and my world
32:34
Speaker 2: was Moab and I was getting a little bit exploring,
32:38
Speaker 2: getting you know, out into Jackson Hole, which was towards
32:42
Speaker 2: canyon lands but not very deep. He goes, oh, it's
32:44
Speaker 2: you know, the needles, and he's really excited. He's like,
32:47
Speaker 2: you gotta get you gotta get down there. And he says,
32:49
Speaker 2: what are you doing the next couple of days. I'm
32:50
Speaker 2: like nothing, I'm living in my van and Moonflower Canyon
32:54
Speaker 2: go hang out. So I end up going down to
32:58
Speaker 2: the Needles District.
32:59
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
33:00
Speaker 2: And we go up over Elephant Hill.
33:02
Speaker 3: Oh wow, in his jeep.
33:03
Speaker 2: In his jeep. Oh yeah, I mean in his jeep
33:06
Speaker 2: and we camped it. I think it's Devil's kitchen sure
33:09
Speaker 2: in there. I still remember it, like, you know, him
33:14
Speaker 2: telling me about the ringtail cats and watch my food.
33:17
Speaker 2: And you know, we didn't sleep in tents. We were
33:20
Speaker 2: just sleeping, you know, out in cowboy camp style. That
33:24
Speaker 2: to me was the the mind blowing entrance into the
33:28
Speaker 2: Colorado Plateau.
33:29
Speaker 1: And it recalibrated probably so many things, Oh yeah, of
33:33
Speaker 1: how little you need and how simple the vehicle can
33:36
Speaker 1: be and the setup can be and just get out
33:38
Speaker 1: and explore.
33:39
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And it was you know, it was
33:41
Speaker 2: the first time that i'd seen, you know, the ancient
33:43
Speaker 2: Pueblo homes and the ancient Pueblo ridings, pictograss and whatnot,
33:48
Speaker 2: and it just really blew my mind. It made me
33:51
Speaker 2: want to come back out here. So with Camp Yoshi,
33:54
Speaker 2: I wanted to try and recreate that sense of wonder
34:00
Speaker 2: and astonishment with them sure first, sure, and then let
34:06
Speaker 2: them recreate it with their clients. So we went out
34:08
Speaker 2: for three or four days and we wrapped down through
34:11
Speaker 2: the Bear's Ears. Got pretty remote, you know, And I
34:15
Speaker 2: think that that's an important part of teaching people how
34:19
Speaker 2: you know, hey, we can be super remote where you're
34:22
Speaker 2: seventy miles in each direction, if you're on the highway
34:24
Speaker 2: to the next gas station. Sure, but you're going to
34:27
Speaker 2: be all right.
34:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, give people that confidence.
34:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, we put together a great route for them.
34:33
Speaker 2: It's ancient Pueblo dwellings, it's pictographs, it's off road, it's
34:40
Speaker 2: on road, it's your canyons. And they're doing that this
34:45
Speaker 2: fall in October.
34:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:47
Speaker 1: What a neat organization. Yeah, and we'll put link in
34:49
Speaker 1: the show notes to Camp Yoshi.
34:52
Speaker 3: Cam'p. Yoshi's doing amazing things.
34:54
Speaker 1: The gathering event that you and I both went to recently,
34:57
Speaker 1: they're doing amazing things Sonya and Nakota. Yeah, just awesome
35:01
Speaker 1: stuff that we're seeing happening. And then you did fly
35:05
Speaker 1: and do the Mexican one thousand, So you got to
35:06
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit because that sounds. First
35:08
Speaker 1: of all, the vehicle you did it in is like
35:10
Speaker 1: everybody's dream Baja experience.
35:14
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean the Mexican one thousand. It's not
35:17
Speaker 2: the Baja one thousand. You know a lot of people
35:19
Speaker 2: get Mexican one thousand, Baja one thousand confused. Baja one thousand.
35:23
Speaker 2: They do it in a day, I think maybe thirty
35:26
Speaker 2: six hours, but you should have to complete the full
35:29
Speaker 2: thousand miles, sure, in one shot. The Mexican one thousand
35:33
Speaker 2: is more of a rally. Sure, you know, you like
35:34
Speaker 2: a classic car route, classic car rally. You've got five
35:37
Speaker 2: days to make it from Ensenata to San Jose del Caaba.
35:42
Speaker 2: I'd been aware of the Mexican one thousand, hadn't really
35:45
Speaker 2: been interested in it. Early on in my career. I
35:48
Speaker 2: worked with Mouse McCoy who'd won the Iron Remember that
35:51
Speaker 2: that was such a great just glory, you know, the
35:53
Speaker 2: whole thing great. So it was kind of you know,
35:55
Speaker 2: like my perception of the Baja one thousand and Mexican
35:59
Speaker 2: one thousand was very motor head like trophy trucks. You
36:04
Speaker 2: got to have millions of dollars to do this type
36:06
Speaker 2: of thing. Wasn't really on my radar. It's something that
36:09
Speaker 2: I was interested in doing. Early twenty twenty two, my
36:12
Speaker 2: buddy Tim sends me a message. And Tim's a great guy.
36:17
Speaker 2: I've known him for a long time. I actually knew
36:18
Speaker 2: him through the motorcycle world. And he sends me a
36:21
Speaker 2: message and he goes, I just bought a Meyers MANX.
36:24
Speaker 2: It doesn't have an engine. I'm going to race the
36:27
Speaker 2: Mexican one thousand. Do you want to do it? And
36:29
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it kind of depends on my schedule.
36:31
Speaker 2: A week's a long time. And at the time, it
36:33
Speaker 2: wasn't really wasn't something that I wanted to do. Sure,
36:37
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't. It wasn't yes, yes exactly, you know.
36:40
Speaker 2: And that's why I determine a lot of things either yes,
36:43
Speaker 2: and if it's not a yes'm I'm.
36:45
Speaker 1: Out there or otherwise it should be a no, yeah
36:47
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
36:48
Speaker 2: And I was a but it was interesting that I
36:50
Speaker 2: loved Tim, and he's he's a very he does things right,
36:55
Speaker 2: he does things. So I was interested, but I had
36:57
Speaker 2: a lot of things going on, you know, and it
36:59
Speaker 2: kind of depended on putting this trip driving an old
37:01
Speaker 2: land road. Yeah, that was falling right in there. And
37:04
Speaker 2: I kept in touch with Tim as He's like, all right,
37:06
Speaker 2: I got an engine off Craigslist for the for the Manx.
37:10
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is.
37:11
Speaker 3: Never gonna happen. Right, this is.
37:13
Speaker 2: Never gonna happen. And then my buddy Stefan got involved,
37:16
Speaker 2: and then my buddy Dustin got involved. They started coming together,
37:20
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh this, you know, and I started
37:22
Speaker 2: getting a little bit of fomo because I was I
37:24
Speaker 2: was going to Panama right to do this thing. Panama
37:27
Speaker 2: thing fell through at the time, and I end up
37:30
Speaker 2: in the Tijuana airport at nine am, you know, drinking takat,
37:34
Speaker 2: eating Webbos rancheros, waiting on my buddy Stephen to pick
37:37
Speaker 2: me up, you know, to go ton Snada. It was awesome,
37:40
Speaker 2: you know. He pulled it off. He built this Myers
37:44
Speaker 2: Manx with a Volkswagen engine that.
37:46
Speaker 3: He bought the originally.
37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So it was a I don't know if
37:50
Speaker 2: I'm using the right terminology because I'm not super familiar.
37:52
Speaker 2: But it's the The Myers MANX is basically a fiberglass
37:56
Speaker 2: tub that sits on the Oldswagen bug trade chassis. Sure,
38:03
Speaker 2: you know, because it doesn't have a chassis. It has
38:05
Speaker 2: a kind of it's kind of you know, it's one
38:08
Speaker 2: of the first unibodies. Yeah, and it sits on that
38:10
Speaker 2: so it has the little Volkswagen engine in the back,
38:13
Speaker 2: and you know, it's about it's the little dune buggy,
38:17
Speaker 2: you know. You know, we had such a good time.
38:20
Speaker 2: I mean, and that thing only goes fifty sixty miles
38:24
Speaker 2: an hour, not that best, you know. But what the
38:27
Speaker 2: Mexican one thousand did was they hooked up with this
38:29
Speaker 2: guy Michael from Slow Baja and I forget his last name.
38:33
Speaker 2: I've heard about them. Yeah, he's a he's a really
38:35
Speaker 2: nice guy. He he drives an old FJ forty. And
38:39
Speaker 2: they created the Safari class. It's just this class that
38:44
Speaker 2: is all about vintage, all about cruising. You know, you're
38:48
Speaker 2: not racing those The trophy trucks are there, right and
38:51
Speaker 2: the you know, the big bikes, you know, the rally
38:54
Speaker 2: bikes are there. The big enduro's are there, sure, and
38:57
Speaker 2: all the all the things are there. But then in
38:58
Speaker 2: Safari class, you're just kind of cruising, like you're just
39:02
Speaker 2: cruising along having fun. You stop at the pits, you
39:05
Speaker 2: have some beers, you have some savicha, you get it
39:07
Speaker 2: to Molly from the lady down the road, and you
39:10
Speaker 2: work your way down, you know, the peninsula.
39:12
Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's kind of like you're racing
39:15
Speaker 1: to a degree because you're having some fun with a
39:17
Speaker 1: little bit of speed, but then you're experiencing the whole place.
39:20
Speaker 2: You're experiencing the whole place, and it's not a race though,
39:23
Speaker 2: it's a rally, you know. And I think some people,
39:27
Speaker 2: there's definitely the people that take it more seriously than others.
39:30
Speaker 2: Sure we weren't that sure, you know, like we were
39:34
Speaker 2: just we were so stoked that we made it to
39:37
Speaker 2: the finish every day, sure, you know. And then it
39:40
Speaker 2: was getting it back to where you could start in
39:43
Speaker 2: the morning, you know, figuring out why we were burning
39:46
Speaker 2: a quart of oil every half hour, you know, that
39:49
Speaker 2: type of thing. But it was just super fun to
39:52
Speaker 2: you know, to the point where I was like, all right,
39:54
Speaker 2: I'm definitely I'm I'm on board again for twenty twenty three,
39:58
Speaker 2: you know, and you're going.
39:59
Speaker 3: To do it.
40:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, We'll make sure we throw a
40:02
Speaker 1: couple photos of that into the show.
40:05
Speaker 2: Notes.
40:06
Speaker 3: That's so great.
40:07
Speaker 1: Well, I want to I want to pivot a little bit.
40:09
Speaker 1: One of the things that so many people that listen
40:12
Speaker 1: to the podcast know you for is your creative work
40:17
Speaker 1: and the quality of the creative work that you do.
40:20
Speaker 1: Also that you tie a lot of that in with
40:22
Speaker 1: the passion that we all have for overlanding.
40:24
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about your art.
40:26
Speaker 1: Recently, you had an art exhibit in Mexico City.
40:31
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so it
40:33
Speaker 2: was my first gallery show. It all came about because
40:37
Speaker 2: in the early days of the pandemic. I take that back.
40:40
Speaker 2: It wasn't the early days of the pandemic. It was after,
40:43
Speaker 2: you know, we're into the pandemic. Sure, sure I was.
40:46
Speaker 2: I was driving back and forth from Colorado to La
40:50
Speaker 2: to see my son. Sure, I never take the same route,
40:53
Speaker 2: and I'm always kind of looking for something new, and
40:57
Speaker 2: I started coming across you know, I'd always kind of
41:02
Speaker 2: blown through it. But these areas of you know, there's
41:06
Speaker 2: the the salt mines, the bor axe mines, these different topographies.
41:12
Speaker 2: This one time, I just kind of threw up the drone,
41:14
Speaker 2: you know, it was bored threw up the drone and
41:17
Speaker 2: you know, looking down, yeah, it looked like a medical
41:23
Speaker 2: cross section of epidermis, you know, like I was just
41:28
Speaker 2: kind of going, what is why? Why is it purple
41:32
Speaker 2: and red and green? And you know, it made me
41:35
Speaker 2: kind of take into consideration. The one in particular was
41:38
Speaker 2: a boraxe mine where they pumped water underground to get
41:43
Speaker 2: rid of it basically, but then they'd pumped so much
41:46
Speaker 2: that it had created its own volcano. And that's why
41:51
Speaker 2: we got all these crazy colors of copper and sure
41:54
Speaker 2: and purple and whatnot. And it made me just kind
41:57
Speaker 2: of think of, you know, why we were were you know,
42:01
Speaker 2: kind of doing this, Like what benefit is this? And
42:04
Speaker 2: we're in a constant state of evolution on this planet,
42:07
Speaker 2: you know, for better or worse, and I'm not things
42:10
Speaker 2: are always changing, things are always changing, and I'm not
42:12
Speaker 2: you know, smart enough to decide whether it's better or worse.
42:14
Speaker 2: It's you know, everything's for now. So it made me
42:18
Speaker 2: kind of go on this mission whenever. It gave me
42:21
Speaker 2: a purpose beyond just going home. Or going to see
42:24
Speaker 2: my son seek out these these landscapes that we're in
42:27
Speaker 2: a state of change, you know, that were maybe being
42:32
Speaker 2: changed quicker because of of the mining operations and you
42:36
Speaker 2: know whatever. But they were beautiful, sure, you know, and
42:39
Speaker 2: I just wanted to shoot them. So we had this
42:41
Speaker 2: this gallery show at my gallery and in Mexico City
42:44
Speaker 2: called Loot and the photos we l o O T
42:50
Speaker 2: got it and I believe the website's l o o
42:53
Speaker 2: T dot MX got it. And you know, the photos
42:57
Speaker 2: we printed them there and we did them you know,
43:00
Speaker 2: six feet wide, just huge. It was a great experience
43:05
Speaker 2: to have my first gallery show there. Yeah, awesome.
43:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, those photos were beautiful and they were in Overland
43:11
Speaker 1: Journal not that long ago.
43:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right latitude.
43:14
Speaker 2: Full latitude section, Yeah, which is very cool. And then
43:17
Speaker 2: can people see a few of those images on your website?
43:20
Speaker 2: They're not on my website, but I let's put a
43:23
Speaker 2: gallery up so we can have it in the show notes.
43:26
Speaker 1: Put a couple couple of examples so people can kind
43:28
Speaker 1: of see it because they are super impressive. It's just
43:31
Speaker 1: such an interesting way to look at humans impact on
43:36
Speaker 1: the environment. When I shoot the environment, I always think
43:38
Speaker 1: about the big beautiful mountain or the carved canyon or
43:41
Speaker 1: the erosion or something like that. But to also capture
43:44
Speaker 1: those other influences is pretty interesting. Yeah, And like I said,
43:48
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's it's good or bad because
43:50
Speaker 1: it just is it. The salt and the borax, they're
43:53
Speaker 1: they're natural, sure, you know, and it's just the way
43:56
Speaker 1: that they develop it, I suppose.
43:59
Speaker 3: And then you did.
44:01
Speaker 1: I mean, it's something that people got to check out.
44:03
Speaker 1: We'll put it in the show notes as well because
44:05
Speaker 1: it's so great. But you did this project with Hodinki
44:08
Speaker 1: where you were down where you were in Costa Rica
44:11
Speaker 1: or Panama, Where were you at where you were shooting
44:13
Speaker 1: all that with the motorcycle and the airplane.
44:15
Speaker 2: We did a a my friend Gray reached out to me,
44:19
Speaker 2: and Gray i'd worked. I'd met him in Portugal quite
44:23
Speaker 2: a few years back, and he reached out to me
44:25
Speaker 2: about doing a project with Hamilton and Hodinky. Hamilton is
44:30
Speaker 2: a great watch watchmaker and they've they've done really amazing.
44:35
Speaker 1: Excellent field watches. Yeah, I feel really practical, well.
44:39
Speaker 2: Made exactly, and you know, wanted to know if I
44:42
Speaker 2: wanted to do a project for him. I was like, yeah,
44:44
Speaker 2: let's let's do it. And we went to my friend's
44:47
Speaker 2: place in Ziewat Naho called Musa the Modern Utopian Society
44:51
Speaker 2: of Adventures and it's it's an incredible place south of
44:56
Speaker 2: Ziewat Naho and as far as the location of film,
45:00
Speaker 2: and ride motorcycle and fly planes and drive jeeps. Sure,
45:05
Speaker 2: it was really fun. We were there during the rainy season.
45:07
Speaker 2: It was right smacked out July, but we lucked out
45:11
Speaker 2: with great weather where we were able to My friend Jonathan,
45:14
Speaker 2: who's Canadian lives in Mexico City, has this incredible plane
45:19
Speaker 2: and we flew in from Mexico City and then shot
45:22
Speaker 2: on the beach with motorcycles and planes.
45:24
Speaker 1: That one shot of you on a dirt bike with
45:29
Speaker 1: the plane coming in behind you. I mean that was
45:31
Speaker 1: like right out of a James Wand film. I'm like,
45:33
Speaker 1: my friend is really fricking cool.
45:36
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have to see it's so good.
45:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, it's really fun.
45:40
Speaker 2: I have to say that I have a friend Victoria Casanova,
45:43
Speaker 2: who lives in Ziwat Najo and Los Angeles, and we
45:46
Speaker 2: were down in Musa. She was the one that said,
45:51
Speaker 2: I really want to get a small plane down here
45:54
Speaker 2: and she was just learning how to ride a motorcycle,
45:56
Speaker 2: and she's like, how cool would it be to be
45:58
Speaker 2: just riding down the beach in a plane come flying
46:01
Speaker 2: by you, you know, And that was kind of the
46:04
Speaker 2: idea Jonathan. Down there, it looks so yeah, looks so fun.
46:08
Speaker 2: It's super cool. Yeah, I mean, it's so well shot.
46:10
Speaker 2: It's literally it looks like it's right out of a
46:12
Speaker 2: James Bond film.
46:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
46:14
Speaker 2: It was really fun. And that's you know, that's part
46:15
Speaker 2: of the fun of where I am in my career
46:18
Speaker 2: now is the advertising and commercial world is realized that
46:21
Speaker 2: there's real value in the authenticity of sure of telling
46:27
Speaker 2: these stories, you know, and going out and having having
46:30
Speaker 2: fun with it, not trying to create some hokey bourgeois thing.
46:34
Speaker 2: It didn't look hokey. Look it looked cool as hell. Yeah.
46:37
Speaker 3: Nice work on that.
46:38
Speaker 1: So we got we got a little bit more time,
46:41
Speaker 1: but we got to talk about one of the more
46:42
Speaker 1: interesting things it's new as far as gear and stuff
46:46
Speaker 1: for you, is you have you've pretty much been a
46:49
Speaker 1: land rover guy since your first Discovery one manual transmission truck,
46:53
Speaker 1: and you recently bought a new vehicle. So let's talk
46:57
Speaker 1: about how you went from range rover mark that had
47:00
Speaker 1: been serving you well to what you're driving now.
47:03
Speaker 2: I think to get to where we are now, we
47:05
Speaker 2: need to back up a little bit.
47:07
Speaker 3: Let's do Let's back up as far as you want.
47:09
Speaker 2: What year was that that we did speed Channel? Is
47:12
Speaker 2: that two thousand and eight? Two thousand? I think it
47:14
Speaker 2: probably was, Yeah, somewhere nine, Yeah, somewhere in there.
47:17
Speaker 1: Was it The Deadliest Roads or something like that, something
47:21
Speaker 1: like that was ridiculous, dangerous, dangerous drives.
47:23
Speaker 2: You contacted me about putting a route together. Yep, for
47:27
Speaker 2: those guys. You know, we went to Moab in November
47:31
Speaker 2: and it snowed thirty inches. Yeah, just nuked. And I
47:34
Speaker 2: met Dave Harrington, ye, you know, for the first time.
47:37
Speaker 2: And Dave is the founder of AEV and he had
47:41
Speaker 2: a brute there and a couple of jeeps jjk's yeah,
47:46
Speaker 2: I mean with just built, I mean super sweet. And
47:49
Speaker 2: I had my discovery. You know, we did this trip
47:52
Speaker 2: and by the end of the trip, I was missing
47:54
Speaker 2: a headlight out of the Discovery, but it kept up
47:57
Speaker 2: with the.
47:57
Speaker 1: AEVs even in that really deep snow. I remember you,
48:01
Speaker 1: you're looking at me like Scott, there's no way. I'm like,
48:03
Speaker 1: just keep We're just going to keep airing down until
48:05
Speaker 1: there's almost no air left at tire.
48:07
Speaker 2: And it worked, It worked, it worked, and we got through.
48:10
Speaker 2: And I've always you know, Dave is such a great guy.
48:12
Speaker 2: He's so smart, he's such a talented designer, businessman. Yeah,
48:15
Speaker 2: he's just a great guy. And I'd always appreciated his
48:19
Speaker 2: product the way he does it. But I've never you know,
48:23
Speaker 2: I've never really strayed from land Rover for whatever reason.
48:27
Speaker 2: And Dave has been very generous with letting me drive
48:30
Speaker 2: a brute, letting me drive you know jks. Whenever I
48:34
Speaker 2: needed a truck, he'd let me drive it.
48:35
Speaker 3: It was the Gateway drug, it was the gate I know.
48:37
Speaker 2: He was like, give you to him, give it to
48:39
Speaker 2: him for free. Then he was using a little bit
48:42
Speaker 2: of that hood economics no Dummy, which is pretty good
48:47
Speaker 2: for a Montana boy. So, you know, yeah, fast forward
48:51
Speaker 2: to I've recently started using First it was a Ford
48:56
Speaker 2: Ranger that t JM Out of Australia had built and
49:01
Speaker 2: I use that with with my son on a spring
49:03
Speaker 2: break trip, and I really liked the platform of a
49:08
Speaker 2: truck with a rack on it and the rooftop ten
49:10
Speaker 2: on top. And if anybody that knows me knows, like
49:14
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of rooftop tens, right, I've never
49:17
Speaker 2: have been. I hate finding a flat parking spot. Generally
49:21
Speaker 2: I'll sleep outside camp Cowboy Camp. Not into it. My son, however,
49:26
Speaker 2: loves them.
49:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're tree.
49:27
Speaker 2: It's a tree for he just he's transformed. He's into it. Basically,
49:35
Speaker 2: what I've learned ever since having a kid is I've
49:37
Speaker 2: lived my life. Now I'm going to do everything I
49:40
Speaker 2: can to make his life as awesome as it can exactly.
49:44
Speaker 2: So we had this trip. I had the rooftop ten.
49:46
Speaker 2: He really loved it. I started thinking about that platform.
49:49
Speaker 2: And this was probably four years ago. It was a
49:51
Speaker 2: pickup truck. You were in a Rangers. It was a Ranger,
49:53
Speaker 2: it was a it was a four range, great truck,
49:56
Speaker 2: really great truck. And the TGM stuff was the way
49:59
Speaker 2: they have. It was very thoroughfully built out, and it
50:03
Speaker 2: was kind of on the back of my mind. And
50:04
Speaker 2: then I, did you know the Camp Yoshi project? Yeah,
50:08
Speaker 2: and I had the Gladiator way out their concept vehicle.
50:12
Speaker 2: Sure that Scott Brown sent me same deal. Rooftop ten
50:15
Speaker 2: on the back had the decked system in the back.
50:19
Speaker 2: It's kind of percolating. So I started thinking, like, what
50:23
Speaker 2: what is it that I need out of a truck.
50:25
Speaker 2: And the problem with both the Ford Ranger and the
50:29
Speaker 2: Gladiator was the range, the gas mileage. I just couldn't
50:33
Speaker 2: I couldn't fathom driving those either of those because you know,
50:38
Speaker 2: you get too remote. Yeah I did get long long trips. Yeah,
50:42
Speaker 2: I have long trips. I don't like carrying fuel. I don't.
50:45
Speaker 2: You know, It's like I try and keep it as
50:46
Speaker 2: simple as possible. And you know, in a conversation with
50:49
Speaker 2: Dave Harrington, he was like, have you checked out the
50:52
Speaker 2: diesel the Duramax Colorado. He wasn't even he didn't even
50:56
Speaker 2: mention av. He was like, Bison. I didn't know about
50:58
Speaker 2: the Bison, but you know I checked it out and
51:01
Speaker 2: it kind of checked a lot of boxes, a lot
51:03
Speaker 2: of boxes, and then yeah, it was our mid size
51:07
Speaker 2: truck of the year a few years ago. Yeah. So
51:10
Speaker 2: the the Bison, the way that Dave has outfitted it
51:14
Speaker 2: and designed it really worked. You know. So late last
51:18
Speaker 2: year I picked one up because they're not making the
51:22
Speaker 2: diesel anymore. It's it's really gonna serve the purpose.
51:27
Speaker 1: I think. You know, as far as what I said,
51:30
Speaker 1: you were getting mid per gallon. Oh yeah, over five
51:33
Speaker 1: hundred mile range in.
51:34
Speaker 2: The yeah, over five hundred mile range, you know, twenty
51:38
Speaker 2: four to twenty six miles to the gallon. Sure, it's
51:41
Speaker 2: been winter and we've had a heck of a winner.
51:43
Speaker 2: As we all know, there hasn't been a lot of opportunity,
51:45
Speaker 2: but some I've done some stuff in and around Utah.
51:48
Speaker 2: It still gets high teens off road, which I'll take
51:52
Speaker 2: all day long. So yeah, it's I'm really excited. We've
51:55
Speaker 2: been here in Prescott the last few days kind of
51:58
Speaker 2: figuring things out with stage one. Yeah, stage one and
52:03
Speaker 2: super minimal, I don't need a lot. I really liked
52:06
Speaker 2: the deck system that I found on the Gladiator, the
52:08
Speaker 2: fact that you can have that organized storage that's secure
52:12
Speaker 2: and water proof. I also came across the light I
52:16
Speaker 2: believe a lightner rack system. I vacillated a lot on
52:21
Speaker 2: whether I wanted to go with a camper top like
52:23
Speaker 2: a Super Pacific or a GFC or an at Overland.
52:26
Speaker 2: The thing that kind of kept me with the open
52:30
Speaker 2: with the rooftop tent system is I've never dealt with
52:33
Speaker 2: a camper system that didn't keep dust out. Sure, so
52:36
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna if I know I'm gonna get dust
52:38
Speaker 2: in there, I might as well just let it fly.
52:42
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know. It may change well
52:45
Speaker 2: for sure.
52:45
Speaker 1: And the configuration you've got now you still have a truck,
52:48
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, you can haul motorcycles around, you can
52:50
Speaker 1: go to you can go to home depot and yeah,
52:53
Speaker 1: you can get you can use it as a truck.
52:54
Speaker 1: You can go to home depot, you can haul your motorcycle.
52:57
Speaker 1: You can you know, bring home a new washirt like
53:00
Speaker 1: you can use a truck as a truck, which I
53:02
Speaker 1: think is kind of nice. So I do like that
53:04
Speaker 1: little more open bed configure it exactly.
53:06
Speaker 2: This is this is new to me. I've always been
53:09
Speaker 2: and you know, a fully enclosed suv, and so I'm
53:13
Speaker 2: going to let it kind of evolve. I'm not I'm
53:17
Speaker 2: going to keep it very because part of what I've
53:20
Speaker 2: learned over the years is the more complicated the systems get,
53:25
Speaker 2: the more chance you have to have to fix it
53:28
Speaker 2: in the field or just be distracted.
53:30
Speaker 3: From the reason why you're going out.
53:31
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, and spend time with my kid, you know,
53:34
Speaker 2: that's what it's about. And I don't want to as
53:36
Speaker 2: much fun as he has sort and bolts. I don't
53:39
Speaker 2: want to be doing that in the middle of nowhere.
53:42
Speaker 3: And then you put a tent on top of it.
53:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did put a tent on top of it. Valuecab, Yeah, yeah,
53:47
Speaker 2: it's an Alucab. To me, I had my choice of
53:50
Speaker 2: quite a few, and looking at the Alucab, it was
53:53
Speaker 2: the most durable and when I'm not yeah, it looks bomber,
53:57
Speaker 2: and I've heard nothing but good things about them.
54:00
Speaker 1: Again, it has the ability to run some accessory rails
54:03
Speaker 1: on top, so you could put your mountain bikes up there,
54:06
Speaker 1: you know that firewood.
54:07
Speaker 2: As you know, like whatever kind of weird sport I
54:10
Speaker 2: want to do, I could put it, but I don't
54:12
Speaker 2: want to go any higher than it already is. Yeah,
54:15
Speaker 2: and again it's going to be pretty minimal. But the
54:17
Speaker 2: alue Cab to me, like it's one of the beefiest.
54:21
Speaker 2: It is for ones out there and I tend to Again,
54:25
Speaker 2: one of the reasons, and I didn't touch on this earlier,
54:27
Speaker 2: is one of the reasons I went. I never even
54:30
Speaker 2: looked at full size. I did look at the power
54:32
Speaker 2: Wagon for a bit, and once I drove the power Wagon,
54:35
Speaker 2: it was way too big for what It's an incredible vehicle,
54:38
Speaker 2: but way too big for what I the places I.
54:41
Speaker 3: Like to go.
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Speaker 2: And back to the fuel economy. Yeah, and the fuel economy.
54:44
Speaker 2: So this mid size Jesus.
54:46
Speaker 1: Truck, it's twice the fuel economy of a exact power Wagon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So this mid size really knocks it out
54:54
Speaker 2: of the park for me, and being you know, small
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Speaker 2: and compact and having the the Alu cab being as
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Speaker 2: beefy as it is, it's not going to get torn
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Speaker 2: up by branches or anything and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got to looks like a z R
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Speaker 1: two Bison. Gives you rear locker, front locker, multimatic suspensions,
55:13
Speaker 1: got a bunch of AEV goodies on it, AEV bumper.
55:16
Speaker 1: You're getting ready to put a winch on it.
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Speaker 2: Yep. You're gonna be ready because you always do so
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Speaker 2: much solo travel that you need to be very self sufficient,
55:25
Speaker 2: including getting unstuck. Yep. It's interesting because Caleb from Adventure
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Speaker 2: Imports has been helping me with this truck over the
55:35
Speaker 2: last few days, and he was lamenting that he can't
55:37
Speaker 2: find people to go out with. Sure, you know, just
55:41
Speaker 2: go by yourself, don't ever let that hold you back.
55:43
Speaker 2: And you're going to realize that going by yourself, you
55:46
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about anybody else's agenda, you don't
55:49
Speaker 2: have to worry about how anybody else feels. You just
55:51
Speaker 2: go and you get to learn a lot about yourself. Yeah, exactly.
55:55
Speaker 2: And for me, you know, it's I don't want to
55:58
Speaker 2: you know, my schedule is so wonky with my career
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Speaker 2: and my son, and if I have the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: get out there, I want to be out there and
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Speaker 2: I want to be self sufficient. And having a winch
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Speaker 2: is definitely one of those things that gives you the
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Speaker 2: confidence that it makes so much.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I can get out of here. And you like
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Speaker 1: to really go into rugged, remote places. Yeah, well that is.
56:18
Speaker 1: It's the truck looks great. We'll throw a photo up
56:21
Speaker 1: and you're just getting started. It's going to be featured
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Speaker 1: in Overland Journal and Expedition Portal, and we'll end up
56:26
Speaker 1: doing a wrap up video. We'll do a bunch of
56:27
Speaker 1: great things on it so people can follow along with
56:30
Speaker 1: your with your new project. Pretty amazing that you strayed
56:34
Speaker 1: from land Rover. But if you're going to do it,
56:36
Speaker 1: that's the vehicle to do it with, a diesel mid
56:39
Speaker 1: size truck. Yeah awesome, ab.
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Speaker 3: I think so.
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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that someone of Dave from aev's
56:49
Speaker 2: caliber has given it its blessing. Sure, there's not a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of other people in this space that I
56:54
Speaker 2: respect as much as Dave, so no doubt. Yeah, it's
56:57
Speaker 2: the one to go with. So anyway, thanks so much.
57:00
Speaker 1: Any But let's talk about how people find out more
57:02
Speaker 1: about you. What's your your social media, your website? How
57:06
Speaker 1: do people follow you and engage with your content?
57:11
Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So, any I mean Instagram is Sinway Xavier. All of
57:16
Speaker 2: my socials are Sinway Xavier. My website Sineway Xavier. Type
57:19
Speaker 2: in my name, you can, you know, google me whatever
57:22
Speaker 2: it takes. I'm out there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's been so fun to have you on.
57:28
Speaker 1: Is there anything that else that you want to talk about,
57:30
Speaker 1: Anything that you'd like to share with the audience, or
57:33
Speaker 1: some recent insights or things that you've learned that you
57:36
Speaker 1: wanted to share.
57:37
Speaker 2: You know, I not not really, I've had such a
57:42
Speaker 2: you know, great time over the last couple of years
57:45
Speaker 2: coming out of the pandemic and getting back to just
57:49
Speaker 2: letting the letting the universe suggest sure lay its suggestions out,
57:56
Speaker 2: and being in tune to those suggestions and following them around,
57:59
Speaker 2: you know, ending up as kind of everything we talked about. Yeah,
58:04
Speaker 2: you know, the Camp Yoshi thing was a little suggestion,
58:07
Speaker 2: the trip through Central America was a little suggestion, and
58:11
Speaker 2: you know, being open to that stuff and not being
58:13
Speaker 2: locked into what I think is the the path.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you've been saying yes to the hell
58:20
Speaker 1: yes is and a lot of no's to other things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's good. Exactly.
58:26
Speaker 1: Sinway, It's always such a joy to have you on
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Thanks for being a great friend and for
58:32
Speaker 1: bouncing around the world with me all these years. And
58:35
Speaker 1: we look forward to having you back on the podcast.
58:37
Speaker 1: And we thank you all for listening, and we'll talk
58:39
Speaker 1: to you next time.