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  Speaker 1: An employee that I was coerced into hiring followed me
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  Speaker 1: home one night.
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  Speaker 2: He started speaking in this completely made-up language to us
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  Speaker 2: during the interview.
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  Speaker 3: This guy's all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. That's a bad hire.
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  Speaker 4: That is a really bad hire.
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  Speaker 1: That is a bad hire. This is The Bad Hire,
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  Speaker 1: the show with the best stories about the worst employees.
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  Speaker 4: We fired him, of course.
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  Speaker 1: People are crazy. It's like an HR nightmare. Right?
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  Speaker 3: One bad hire stole all of it.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy stuff. She got what she deserved.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Ken Monroe, and every week we dive
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  Speaker 1: into real-life stories from the wild world of work and
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  Speaker 1: what can happen when the wrong person gets the job.
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  Speaker 1: These stories aren't just crazy, they're cautionary tales about lessons
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  Speaker 1: learned the hard way. Let's get started. Hey everyone, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to The Bad Hire. Good to have you guys back.
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  Speaker 1: The show where the best stories... meets the most unfortunate employees.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. We tell some great bad hire stories,
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  Speaker 1: bad interview stories. We have fun doing it. Welcome, Morgan. Hello, guys.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, Nathan? Welcome, everybody. All right.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: All right. You guys know the drill. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: tell some wild stories, some different stories we found on
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  Speaker 1: the internet, maybe some that were submitted. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: we do here. We tell... crazy stories about hiring disasters
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes interview disasters. I don't know. I like the
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  Speaker 1: interview ones as much as I do the, the hiring disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Like first day flame outs and like OG burnouts and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're always looking for the stories. I like the interview ones.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe just because I've been in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interviews and I've never hired anybody.
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  Speaker 3: So I, I find it more relatable.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I can't imagine just like, I don't know. There's,
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  Speaker 2: there's some crazy interview stories, bad horror stories. So if
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  Speaker 2: you're watching, you've got to submit your stories.
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  Speaker 1: We have heard so many stories. You guys have a
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  Speaker 1: better memory for them, though, because you'll be like, oh, remember?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 2: Well, then we see the social media clips a thousand times, too,
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  Speaker 2: of all the stories and stuff. So we've been getting
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  Speaker 2: out there.
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  Speaker 1: Social media clips are doing pretty good. So people like
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  Speaker 1: the stories. I'm glad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one of yours, Morgan, like yesterday that blew up,
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  Speaker 3: I think. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So it did? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: What was the story?
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: It was probably, if I had to guess, like off
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  Speaker 4: of the last ones that we read, there was the
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  Speaker 4: one about the lady's husband who cheated on her. And
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  Speaker 4: she's like, I'm just letting you know, I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to pass a background check. And they're like, why? And
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  Speaker 4: she was like, because I literally lit our house on
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  Speaker 4: fire because my husband cheated on me. And they were like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then I have no clue if she got hired
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  Speaker 4: or not. They didn't say. So maybe that one.
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  Speaker 3: I love this.
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  Speaker 1: I love them. I don't know. Well, we hope you'll
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  Speaker 1: submit your stories to us. You know, we've got our
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  Speaker 1: contest that will run this year. The best story that
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  Speaker 1: gets sent to us, we'll pick a winner and send
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  Speaker 1: out $ 10, 000. So, you know, submit your story. Who knows? And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you've been hiring, interviewing, you know, everybody's
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  Speaker 1: got a story. Most people got more than one. So
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  Speaker 1: share with us. It's good fun. We do it lightheartedly
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  Speaker 1: and they don't have to be completely mishaps, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like bad hires, even though that's the show title. We've
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  Speaker 1: had some, there can be, you know, some resounding kind
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  Speaker 1: of redemption stories.
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  Speaker 3: Those are our favorite ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's happy ending. And then there's, you know, it's,
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  Speaker 3: there's just.
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  Speaker 1: Good hire stories too. Some people have told some, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where they thought somebody was bad. We had to One
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  Speaker 1: CEO runs a company, admit that he was the bad
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  Speaker 1: hire one time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. He was the boss, too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So send your stories in. We love them. We'll use them.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe you'll win $ 10, 000. Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll get started, all right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. And I started, I read the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of sentences of this, and it sounded freaky right
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  Speaker 1: off the bat. Oh, great. Like, do you.
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  Speaker 1: An employee that I was coerced into hiring followed me
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  Speaker 1: home one night.
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  Speaker 3: Off to a great start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a second. I thought that laptop was you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say, Ken. Wait a second.
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  Speaker 1: I swear I turned this on.
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  Speaker 4: I had a suspicion it wasn't mine.
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  Speaker 3: Marcus, you tried to warn us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. An employee that I was coerced into hiring
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  Speaker 1: followed me home one night. The fellow wondered in a
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  Speaker 1: little after I had entered the gate of the complex
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  Speaker 1: and started asking the guard a bunch of questions. I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's an apartment complex or something. He started off
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  Speaker 1: asking if any apartments were for sale. what was the
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  Speaker 1: square footage price, and then said that I had given
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  Speaker 1: him this address. I had not. He continued asking if
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  Speaker 1: I was living alone, what time I usually reached home.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's getting worse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: The guard told him that he had just recently taken
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  Speaker 1: up employment, so didn't know anything about the residence. That
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be why he didn't tell him.
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  Speaker 4: He should never tell him, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Come back later. I'll give you all the insight.
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  Speaker 1: He was lying. He just didn't trust it. Okay. He
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  Speaker 1: was lying. He just didn't trust any man who asked
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  Speaker 1: such questions about a young woman.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a woman?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. That makes it worse.
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  Speaker 1: However, we could not just confront him because of social
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  Speaker 1: class issues. The guard promptly informed me about this the
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  Speaker 1: next day. The fool had forgotten to take off his
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  Speaker 1: employee lanyard. Oh my gosh. Isn't this a common theme
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  Speaker 1: in these?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So I could easily figure out who he was.
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  Speaker 4: Always wear a key identifying thing.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That day, once all the team had come in,
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  Speaker 1: I walked to his seat and asked him in my
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  Speaker 1: loudest indoor voice, what were you doing at my apartment
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  Speaker 1: complex yesterday? I heard you ask personal questions about me.
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  Speaker 1: What do you want to know? Long story short, he
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  Speaker 1: was off my team. The company retained him, though. where
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  Speaker 1: they just transferred him.
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  Speaker 3: So he stayed.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I would have filed a restraining order. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: asking him, why were you stalking me? I'd be like, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to file a restraining order.
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  Speaker 1: So that was called that when you like bounce a
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  Speaker 1: bad employee around, like you just send them somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Transfer? I don't know. There's a creeper transfer?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Creeper transfer? I was going to say.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at least she called him out in front of everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's one good step, I guess. But wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's not good at all. Yeah, I just like what's
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  Speaker 2: going through his head. Like, what does he think is
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  Speaker 2: going to happen? I mean, I guess he's a criminal.
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  Speaker 4: That's like one of us committing a crime with a
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  Speaker 4: bad hire shirt on. Like, you got to know people
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  Speaker 4: are going to trace it back to you.
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  Speaker 3: A big shirt that says, my name is Nathan. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Just like everywhere that I go.
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  Speaker 1: Here's their website and the phone number.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Easy twice. Easy twice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: B-Checks bandit masks coming soon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah. She's trying to swag it up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Trying to sell apparel here.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, Nathan. My story? Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You guys ready?
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  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: I once interviewed a candidate who opened the conversation with
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  Speaker 2: this line. I'm probably the smartest person that you will
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  Speaker 2: ever meet.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I'm so smart that I invented my own language.
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  Speaker 2: And I will be conducting the rest of this interview
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  Speaker 2: in this language.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: And then he actually did it.
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  Speaker 2: So he started speaking in this completely made up language
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  Speaker 2: to us during the interview. At that point, we were
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  Speaker 2: so stunned that we decided just to go with it.
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  Speaker 2: I told you like interview stories.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We kept him and he was talking and we were
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  Speaker 2: bringing people from around the office to come listen to
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  Speaker 2: him for hours. People would walk in, stand there for
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  Speaker 2: a minute and hear him speaking the invented language and
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  Speaker 2: they would just look at each other like what is
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  Speaker 2: actually happening right now. We laughed about this interview for
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  Speaker 2: a few months, and the funny thing is that it
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  Speaker 2: was not a joke. The guy was completely serious. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: as a Tolkien fan, Lord of the Rings, I had
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  Speaker 2: to respect the effort. Creating an entire language is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of work.
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  Speaker 4: Did you at least explain what each word meant?
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  Speaker 3: We probably did explain, but in the other language, so
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  Speaker 3: they didn't pick it up. Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 2: But when you spend enough time doing tech interviews, you
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  Speaker 2: meet some incredibly interesting people. Moments like this also remind
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  Speaker 2: me of something important. In any interaction, this might be
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  Speaker 2: the only chance that we ever have to show somebody
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  Speaker 2: in our lives some kindness, compassion, empathy, and some real attention.
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  Speaker 2: Because you never know what people are actually going through.
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  Speaker 2: So I try to remember that. I try to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that at least for that one moment... That person
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  Speaker 2: sitting across from me knows that someone in the world
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  Speaker 2: actually cared about them. I'll be honest, I don't always succeed,
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  Speaker 2: but I try. For this language guy, once we eventually
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  Speaker 2: understood what we could use of his skills, it was
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  Speaker 2: clear that it wasn't a good fit for this team,
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  Speaker 2: so we had to tell him no. But we did
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  Speaker 2: refer him to some video game developers that we knew.
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  Speaker 2: I figured that there was a place like that that
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  Speaker 2: actually might appreciate some of his skills, including inventing your
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  Speaker 2: own language and who knows what. maybe that was exactly
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  Speaker 2: the right skill for that job. Anyways, it became kind
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  Speaker 2: of wholesome at the end. They kind of laughed in
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  Speaker 2: front of it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they said they're leading with kindness, yet they were like,
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  Speaker 4: let's have the whole entire company come in here to
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  Speaker 4: watch him so we can make fun of him later.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't to make fun of him.
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  Speaker 3: That was just to like, check this out.
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  Speaker 1: Check this out.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's standing wonder. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that was kind of nice. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like you said, first they were like, hey, everybody...
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  Speaker 2: Let's all point and laugh at this guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, let's show him some kindness. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty cool, actually. I feel like that's the most unique.
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  Speaker 1: Interview I've ever heard. I love that the storyteller was
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  Speaker 1: at least caring about. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think, I think like you said, I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a good rule though, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, some people don't interview well. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a great experience for a lot of people. It's super scary,
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  Speaker 1: I think for some. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some that walk in there, they're just
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  Speaker 1: naturals with people and interviews are great and they, and
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  Speaker 1: others who just, you know, Will stay in a bad
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  Speaker 1: job to avoid an interview.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: I think referring him to somebody else, too, is, like,
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  Speaker 4: really nice of them. Like, a lot of companies won't
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  Speaker 4: refer you to somebody else to interview for, normally. Like,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't have to do that. Like, they went out
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  Speaker 4: of their way to do that for him. So, I
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  Speaker 4: thought that was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you could have a lot of those actual
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  Speaker 2: technical skills that they're looking for, but just happen to
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  Speaker 2: be maybe a little bit socially awkward and make you language.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like creating your own language.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a bit socially awkward. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: He also thought he was the smartest person that they've
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  Speaker 3: ever met.
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  Speaker 1: He did say that. Maybe it's true.
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  Speaker 3: That's the way he started. They probably rubbed you the
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  Speaker 3: wrong way.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, sir, you're taking my IQ test right now.
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  Speaker 1: It might actually be true.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And maybe, yeah, you never know. But I thought
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  Speaker 3: that was very interesting with his own language.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, Morgan?
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  Speaker 1: What do we have for us today?
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  Speaker 4: So, actually, we have a clip to watch from Riverside first,
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  Speaker 4: and then I get to tell my fun little story
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  Speaker 4: I got.
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  Speaker 5: An employee who was almost a director level, just probably
• 11:49
  Speaker 5: one level below a director. So it was very senior manager.
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  Speaker 5: And the allegation was for mischarging of time, that they
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  Speaker 5: were on a government contract and they were doing activities
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  Speaker 5: that were on company time, which was therefore a mischarging
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  Speaker 5: of time to the contractor. And so the investigation ensued
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  Speaker 5: and there was evidence that was actually sent to the
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  Speaker 5: president of the company. And it came down to me
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  Speaker 5: to work on the investigation. When he was called in
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  Speaker 5: and it was actually the, what he had done was
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  Speaker 5: contacting a minor, wanted to buy something of hers. So
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  Speaker 5: during the course of the investigation, he got up at
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  Speaker 5: one point and walked out. of the investigation. Also threw
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  Speaker 5: away his identification into a shredder and was therefore no
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  Speaker 5: longer legally, from a security standpoint, able to be on
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  Speaker 5: the property. He left the property without badging out, piggybacked
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  Speaker 5: on someone else and determination was made by legal by
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  Speaker 5: HR that he would be terminated. And a vice president
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  Speaker 5: stepped in and overrode the termination. And literally one year
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  Speaker 5: to the date, the internal attorney called me and said,
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  Speaker 5: have you got the television on?
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't have the television.
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  Speaker 5: He said, turn it on. And so I turned it
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  Speaker 5: on and the FBI was arresting this person for multiple counts,
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  Speaker 5: not for mischarging a time, But for other multiple counts.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. Oh, my gosh. Wow. That's a bad hire.
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  Speaker 4: That is a really bad hire.
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  Speaker 1: That is a bad hire.
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  Speaker 2: Could you just get up and walk out during an investigation?
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  Speaker 1: Just leave? I mean, you can. It would just typically
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  Speaker 1: lead to your firing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? So some senior exec steps in, saves him. I
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  Speaker 1: guess saved him. I don't know. She didn't really say.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they did. I guess they did keep him.
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  Speaker 1: And then while he was working there, they were getting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like a family relation
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  Speaker 2: to the vice president.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh no, this is my nephew. You have to
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  Speaker 3: keep him. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Did you find the security in the building and her
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  Speaker 1: understanding of all the rules? Did she say where they worked? No.
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  Speaker 2: Something high level, though, because there's a security badge. Because
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  Speaker 2: you had your own security badge.
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  Speaker 1: She understood to get out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We have a pretty secure facility, but you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to badge out of here.
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  Speaker 2: It's like leaving an apartment complex where the gate opens,
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  Speaker 2: you have to drive right behind somebody. It's like that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing, getting out with somebody else's badge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild.
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  Speaker 3: That is insane.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they clock in and clock out via their badge scanning, too.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Sometimes companies do that to track time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But who knows?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the use of hidden... shredding the
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  Speaker 3: badge is yeah and then going like what's if you're
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  Speaker 3: just gonna leave and escape and like never come back
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  Speaker 3: in the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i love her story though yeah it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: confusing let us know she is probably one of her
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  Speaker 1: like top kind of moments where like the yeah some
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: vp calls you and says hey turn your tv on
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: right now that is that is insane actually like it's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: like oh my god i guess that guy we tried
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: to fire yeah And Sam saved him, you know, now
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: he's been here.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: I also love the details. Like, are you watching the TV?
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, I'm not watching.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: It was the FBI that got him too. It's the FBI,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: which means like serious, serious crime.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Not, not too much time.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Local crimes aren't serious, but I.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Mean, it's the FBI.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Not time to have for like standing around the water
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: cooler or whatever.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow. All right, so I have a story today
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: from Reddit. And so this person actually posts like all
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: of her, she's an attorney. So she posts all of
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: her like wild legal stories, but she also posts for
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: like bad hires that she has for her firm. So
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: it's like a mix of both, but she kind of
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: starts off the story and she says, I've shared a
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: few wild legal stories before, But this one might be
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: featured the worst hire I've ever seen. Although, honestly, the
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Everglades case might still top it. And that's the one
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: where a guy sued a landowner for not warning him
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: that there were alligators in the Everglades after one bit
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: off his hand when he tried to pee on it.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: So that's how she starts the story. And she said
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: this one might be close to it. So if that
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: gives you any idea about how we're going to go
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: down that path. Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: And who is this? Who is this?
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: This is an attorney who hires like paralegals.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: And yeah, interesting.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: So but that was a case she was bringing up
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: because she was like this bad hire story might top that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: The Everglades story. I want to hear the whole Everglades story.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Why would you pee on it? OK, I digress.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: It's a long story. But yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: But today's story is about a paralegal we hired who
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: somehow managed to do worse than that decision. This guy
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: had graduated law school and even passed the bar exam,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: but the bar refused to license him for what they
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: called professional and ethical reasons. We never found out exactly
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: what those were. And in hindsight, we probably should have
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: tried harder to figure out what that was. From day one,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: he had a huge ship on his shoulder and about
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: being a paralegal instead of a lawyer. But despite that,
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: he asked the most basic questions imaginable. And if you'd
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: explain something for the 10th time, he'd say things like, well,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: how was I supposed to know how work should be prioritized?
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: And when we're talking about choices like a trial next
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: week versus a discovery process that lasts nine months, not
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: exactly a philosophical dilemma. He would be like, I don't
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: know which one to prioritize, the trial or the thing
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: that takes nine months.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Like he just was confused.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: About after two months of training, one of our attorneys
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: gave him a standard task, create a medical chronology, basically
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: a data timeline summarizing four years of medical records for
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: a case. He spent an entire week on it. Every
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: time someone walked by his desk, he'd whisper, shh, I
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: have to concentrate on this med chronology. Finally, Thursday afternoon,
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: he sends the attorney the finished document. It is one
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: page long, two or three paragraphs. No way. No dates,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: just a vague summary of four years of treatment. The
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: attorney asks why it's so short and why it isn't,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: you know, chronological. He gets defensive and says, well, there
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: weren't many records in the file. Then he leaves for
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: the day. The attorney opens the case file to check
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: and all the medical records are gone. She checks a
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: backup drive. They're gone on there too. Then she texts
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the other cases he'd worked on and those records are
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: gone too. IT eventually figured it out. Apparently, instead of
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: summarizing the medical records, he had simply just deleted them.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: His apparent plan was if there are no records, there's
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: nothing to summarize.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: He's like, work smarter, not harder. The next morning, while
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: IT was still trying to figure out what else he
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: might have deleted, he strolls into the office at 11.45 a.m.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: The office manager asks why he's three hours late, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: he says, completely serious, oh, I thought I could make
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: my own hours.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: This goes all over the place.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She reminds him there was a staff meeting at
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: 10 a.m., and his response was, oh, I don't read
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: emails in the afternoon. It stresses me out, and I
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: only read emails in the morning. Which is an interesting
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: strategy for someone who shows up to work at 11.45.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: How'd this guy get hired? I know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And she said... She said he did not last.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Interesting strategy for someone who says, I only read them
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: in the morning, but I don't come in until 11.45.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: The fact that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: This dude passed the bar, and then they denied him.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: There's no way he passed the bar.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: That's right, because he's what? A paralegal? He's a paralegal.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: He's a lawyer?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: He's a paralegal, because he passed the bar, but....
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know how he was studying when people were
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: walking past his office.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: That's not what he's doing now. Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: He's probably not doing that anymore. But I've never seen
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: professional and ethical reasons being a reason somebody didn't get there.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: A lot of times I think it's people just, it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: not about the skill. They just don't want to work.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: They're not motivated, easily distracted, whatever it is.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Well, like working on a single document and then a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: week later it's like.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: One page long.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: You can't really spend a week. right? Because it's already
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: hard to do things. So what you did instead was,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you know, goof around, probably play around on your computer,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: your phone, whatever you do, you know, and then you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: come back, you know, what else would you do?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And it's like Spongebob trying to write that one paragraph
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and then after a week, it's just the word the.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Like writing in cursive. That's him trying to work on
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: his new document.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, and deleting medical records is crazy. Like, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: the fact that they had to have IT figure it
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: all out.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And then he did it on purpose. He's like, oh,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: let me just like sneak past and less chronological things
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to order.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: And everything else he worked on, he deleted too.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I once had a business partner who she had, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: we brought our business together and I was kind of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: taking over a company and she owed a lot of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: money that she didn't disclose.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And so apparently before I got there, she just took
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: all these bills that she owed and she just shredded them. Right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So she just, she went to a couple of her
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: staff and said, you know, we got to get rid
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of all this stuff, shred all this stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: If we shred them, you know, no one's going to know.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Bankruptcy, Michael Scott style.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: No one's going to know. He's like, you know, You'll
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: never figure out that we owe the money.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: We just shred the bills.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: The cat track is down.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And so she ended up taking a leave. And, you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I did find out. So a couple, a little bit
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of time goes by. And, of course, the thing about
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: bills is they just mail them again.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And now you owe more. She's taken a leave
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: of absence.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Some stuff comes up and I'm wondering what happened. Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And so I, you know, I don't go in her office.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I go in her office and, you know, the staff
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: have been, her staff who've been kind of covering for her,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: have been throwing her mail on there. And I see
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this huge stack of, you know, bills and with delayed notices,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: termination notices, all types of notices on them. And, you know, that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Started a downward spiral of what was going to happen.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It doesn't really work with... Let me just leave this
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: bill on my counter. Let me shred it. Kind of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: like the guy tearing up the records.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But yeah, just.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Just shred them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Makes the bills go away.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the Office episode where he's like in there,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: they're in like a lot of debt. And so he
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: talks to their financial advisor in their office and he's like,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: what do I do? And he goes, oh, you need
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to declare bankruptcy. So he walks out into the middle
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: of the whole office and he goes, I declare bankruptcy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And that's how he thinks you declare bankruptcy and fix
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: your debt. It's just declaring it to your office. That's it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: That's kind of.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't watch The Office.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: And there are. You like it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you would.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: You would really like it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I don't watch it on TV.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some interesting storylines.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: We could probably do a whole podcast on bad hires
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: on The Office.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: That's a good idea.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That's a bad hire story.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe we could find... Would we be.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Allowed to play a clip from The Office? We'll react
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Clearly we could.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: TV clips all the time.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what you should do.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: We could definitely do a whole react series. One episode. Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: One episode series where we react to all the bad
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: hire stories.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: We can make it happen.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Or you can still recurring kind of... A recurring segment
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: every once in a while.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll find a clip where he declares bankruptcy.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, it's like a get-out-of-jail-free card.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. No, not at all. Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Not how it works.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Marcus, run the clip. Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Where's our office clip?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: That's why, don't you love when those podcast hosts have
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: got some crew over there?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: They're like, you can find this. Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, five seconds later, pshh.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You know, the best ones are like, you can hear
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the producers laughing in the background, you know? So we
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: have to be funnier.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Theo Vaughn was like, can you find the video of
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the crab eating a gusher? And then he like pulls
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: it up and he's like, see that? That's a crab
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: eating a gusher. It's a different time these days. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: you're just like, how did his producer find it that quickly?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: He's like, boom, meeting the show.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Super geniuses that find themselves.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: We'll get there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: All right, man.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Is that it?
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Well, that's it for us. Then that's it for us today.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I hope they put the clip of the office in here.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to The Bad Hire and listen, subscribe, like, share,
• 24:12
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• 24:15
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• 24:18
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• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, edit in your stories.
• 24:20
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• 24:24
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• 24:26
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• 24:28
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• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Just tell the story.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It could be a bad story, a good story, a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: redemption story. a fun story, whatever it might be. We
• 24:39
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• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Thank you, guys.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: If you want to do that, go to thebadheart.com.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: It was fun.