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BONUS: Why Ohio State Draft Classes May Never Be The Same · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buck Guys Tomorrow Morning for Saturday, March twenty eighth.
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Speaker 2: While we're there.
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Speaker 1: On today's show, you're getting a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: bonus episode. This is an episode of the Buckeye Huddle
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Speaker 1: primetime show with Juck. This week, he talked about some
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Speaker 1: Buckeyes on the draft bubble, while Ohio State draft classes
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Speaker 1: are not gonna dip any longer, and Ohio State gearing
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Speaker 1: up for a run with another NFL staffer.
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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Chuck. We are not bemoaning the noon kickoff.
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Speaker 2: We're now owning it. It's a badge of honor. We're
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Speaker 2: the lunatic fringe that defines our coaches legacy when it
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Speaker 2: comes to this game. They don't get to define that
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Speaker 2: outside the family. Who we're cut from a different cloth.
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Speaker 2: Bro Hioan's he's got it all, man. He's even got
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Speaker 2: the jaw. You know the jaw. You see that jaw
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Speaker 2: and you're just like, yeah, man, that's a dude. Do
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Speaker 2: I want Michigan to beat Oklahoma? No way in hell.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what world I'm living in. This is
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Speaker 2: insane to me. And if you saw my outburst, I apologize.
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Speaker 2: It's showtime now and welcome in a Bucke huddle, Prime time.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you so much for joining me from vacation. We
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Speaker 2: only got a couple of more days before we'll be
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Speaker 2: back at home. Apologize for missing Tuesday. You know how
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Speaker 2: this stuff goes it's tough to get a show in
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Speaker 2: when you're down here. It's tough to stay involved with
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Speaker 2: the news. But my gosh, has so much going on
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Speaker 2: this week, and I've got I've gotten lectured a few
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Speaker 2: times for being in my phone a bit too much.
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Speaker 2: But you know, work never stops, guys. The Buckeyes have
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Speaker 2: hired two more NFL coaches, one of them a very
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Speaker 2: long time veteran, and bringing in two more support staff
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Speaker 2: like that is just I think the total is up
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Speaker 2: to like eight now, eight Ohio state staffers with NFL experience,
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Speaker 2: going from Ryan Day to Matt Patricia art Smith. Tyler
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Speaker 2: Bowen coached the Jaguars for a year. Tim Walton was
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Speaker 2: a DC in the NFL. Josh Poyer. Now we bring
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Speaker 2: in Joe coy is Joey, Joe Kim Master Joe Kim.
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Speaker 2: He is a seventh degree black belt in taekwondo, and
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Speaker 2: now the most recent hire Brooks. What's his first name
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Speaker 2: something Brooks, hang on Jason Brooks, Jason Brooks from the Steelers.
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Speaker 2: That's a on of NFL experience and bringing in these
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Speaker 2: guys just feels like, man, this is like a National
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Speaker 2: championship push. This is spending resources. Talked about it before.
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Speaker 2: When people get mad that maybe there's a guy out
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Speaker 2: there that Ohio State didn't get, didn't go get Jordan Seaton,
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Speaker 2: understand that what we don't ever have to worry about
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Speaker 2: is the team we root for does not penny pinch
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Speaker 2: when it comes to staff. And in today's age, where
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Speaker 2: the talent is, you know, pretty damn equal across the
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Speaker 2: board except for a few programs have a little bit
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Speaker 2: of an advantage, and we're one of those programs. In
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Speaker 2: addition to that, we don't ever have to worry about
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Speaker 2: our team pench and pennies up there, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of teams do. And that is a great feeling when
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Speaker 2: we see these additions. Okay, how much does it help,
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Speaker 2: Maybe not a ton, but it's one more mind. It's
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Speaker 2: one more good quality NFL mind who's worked with NFL
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Speaker 2: players in the building. He'll work with the with the backs,
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Speaker 2: front seven on the defense, so he's working with linebackers,
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Speaker 2: working with the defensive line, and maybe meshing kind of
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Speaker 2: in between. We don't have a coach that really has
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Speaker 2: that experience of working with both defensive line and linebackers.
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Speaker 2: And now in this defense with Patricia we got some
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Speaker 2: guys that are kind of hybrids like that, so I
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Speaker 2: think that's a really good position to add. And definitely
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Speaker 2: a guy that we can assume some of the guys know.
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Speaker 2: Patricia talked about him today, he knows him and has
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Speaker 2: worked with him, and then of course Art was with
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Speaker 2: him with the Steelers last year, as he comes from
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Speaker 2: the Steelers most recently. Joe Kim coming in from Illinois
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Speaker 2: most recently. But this is a guy that thirty years ago,
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Speaker 2: awesome origin story. Thirty years ago, Master Joe Kim was
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Speaker 2: identified from the Cleveland Plain Dealer by Bill Belichick and
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban just from an article about him being on
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Speaker 2: the United States national taekwondo team and they try to
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Speaker 2: get him and come and say, hey, why don't you
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Speaker 2: work some of your taekwondo with our defensive lineman that
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Speaker 2: hand to hand combat. Thirty years later, this guy's still
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Speaker 2: in football. So an awesome story there, and the Buckeye
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Speaker 2: staff just gets better and better. We also heard this
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Speaker 2: week from James Smith, Matt Patricia Art Smith for the
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Speaker 2: first time, and Art had quite a bit to say,
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Speaker 2: So I don't really want to get into all that,
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Speaker 2: but you can check Chuck on Bucks yesterday to hear
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Speaker 2: my breakdown on that. Today, what I want to get
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Speaker 2: into is Pro Day and what we're looking forward to
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Speaker 2: moving forward here is the transfer portal has kind of
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Speaker 2: totally changed the Ohio State draft moving forward, as well
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Speaker 2: as kind of the annual tradition of bashing an Ohio
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Speaker 2: State player right before the draft. We've got one of
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Speaker 2: those to go through as well. We remember back twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four when Marvin Harrison missed the Combine interview, the
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Speaker 2: Combine inner with the media. He skipped that and I
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Speaker 2: can't remember exactly why, but I thought at the time
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Speaker 2: was a pretty valid reason why he didn't go to it,
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Speaker 2: but boy did. Then the media got butt hurt about
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Speaker 2: him not coming and letting them pepper him with questions,
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Speaker 2: so they trashed him to all hell. And we got
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Speaker 2: another one here right before the draft who's getting trashed
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Speaker 2: And we will get into that. But off the top
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Speaker 2: of my head, when we talk about Ohio State in
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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft and players that we see going off
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Speaker 2: to the draft, I mean, we root for a program
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Speaker 2: that has the third most draft picks in the history
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Speaker 2: of college football, the most first rounders in the history
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Speaker 2: of college football, So we've seen a ton of loaded
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Speaker 2: draft classes go off to the NFL, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of times throughout time we would see either the steady
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Speaker 2: kind of periods where it would be six, seven, eight
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Speaker 2: guys back to back, but then sometimes we would see
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Speaker 2: you had a really talented senior class all leaving together
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Speaker 2: with some juniors jumping on board, and you get these
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Speaker 2: huge double digit classes going to the NFL, and then
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Speaker 2: the following year you'd see that drop off year. And
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Speaker 2: we had one of those just recently in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison's year, where we had just four guys go
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Speaker 2: that year with Marvin, Tommy Eikenberg, kde Stover, and Mike
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Speaker 2: Hall junior. That was it, just the four of them.
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Speaker 2: And it hadn't really dawned on me until I started
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Speaker 2: looking at twenty twenty seven, next year's draft class of
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Speaker 2: the guys who are definitely going to be leaving and
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Speaker 2: the guys that are going to be having decisions, and
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Speaker 2: I wrote down that list. Next year, we're going to
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Speaker 2: go over that list. But due to the transfer portal
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Speaker 2: and the desire I think now across college football to
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Speaker 2: have these experienced, older guys, even if they may not
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Speaker 2: have that super high ceiling, but guys with experience, I
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Speaker 2: think we can assume now that the Buckeyes are going
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Speaker 2: to just kind of keep this up with these just
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Speaker 2: loaded draft classes going into the NFL as you know,
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Speaker 2: potentially con constantly double digits or right about there, which
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Speaker 2: is just gonna be bizarre. And we're gonna see no
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Speaker 2: longer that dip of those four or five guy four
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Speaker 2: or five man classes every year. We're gonna see these
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Speaker 2: big classes, and that's gonna put a ton more buck
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Speaker 2: guys into the NFL faster, which is not just a
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Speaker 2: lot more fun on Sunday. Many of those guys are
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Speaker 2: gonna be just one year guys at Ohio State. Their
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Speaker 2: previous school is going to want to claim them, but
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Speaker 2: they can't. It's gonna say Ohio State, and that's gonna
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Speaker 2: be cool. Also a wonderful tool for recruiting. But what
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Speaker 2: does that list of guys look like next year, both
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Speaker 2: guys who are out of eligibility and those guys who
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Speaker 2: have to make decisions. It's huge, I put it together.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna look at it in a bit, But first let's
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Speaker 2: hit on Pro Day and who's gonna get drafted this year,
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Speaker 2: as there are a couple of guys that kind of
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Speaker 2: puzzling when we look at what they bring and what
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Speaker 2: the NFL looks for. But of course we got our
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Speaker 2: superstars and studs and we didn't see a lot of
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Speaker 2: guys work out at Pro Day, but an unbelievable turnout.
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Speaker 2: Thirty two teams represented, We had head coaches, GMS, scouts. Alabama, Texas,
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Speaker 2: A and m both had Pro Day yesterday too, and
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Speaker 2: the Buckeyes was definitely the most prestigious, the one everybody
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Speaker 2: wanted to be at. And it's the power of the brand,
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Speaker 2: it's the amount of respect for Ryan Day, it's Matt
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Speaker 2: Patricia art Smith, their connections and all the other staffers
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Speaker 2: with NFL connections. That was the place to be yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Ohio State currently kind of standing alone right now when
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Speaker 2: it comes to that at the very very tip top.
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Speaker 2: That's one A in the nation and that's got to
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Speaker 2: feel good for everybody. But Ohio State yesterday really showcased
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Speaker 2: how to do a Pro Day right. They were in there,
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Speaker 2: in and out and it was you know, not just
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Speaker 2: that they ran it so efficiently, and Ryan Day talked
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Speaker 2: about how happy he was to have guys pat him
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Speaker 2: on the shoulder and basically say, hey boy, this run
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Speaker 2: so great compared to others we've been to. Very organized,
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Speaker 2: and that is, you know, another cool thing. When you
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Speaker 2: get that kind of respect from the NFL, it passes
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Speaker 2: off onto your players. They trust you, they trust your word,
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Speaker 2: they trust when you're saying, hey, this guy, you might
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Speaker 2: want to take a shot on him time alone. I
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Speaker 2: believe in him a guy at the lower end of
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Speaker 2: the draft, and that is great for recruiting. Great for
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Speaker 2: recruiting when we just see those couple more guys every
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Speaker 2: year that get drafted just because they came to Ohio State,
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Speaker 2: and the coaches are going to trust that more than
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Speaker 2: if he was at Cincinnati. But about the guys yesterday,
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Speaker 2: we saw Sonny do nothing at all and he didn't
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Speaker 2: need to. Obviously, he killed at the combine and he
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Speaker 2: just walked around with his big, big smile and glad
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Speaker 2: handed with everybody. And he's just such a mature guy.
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Speaker 2: Everybody loves him. What a long, unbelievable NFL career is
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Speaker 2: in store for him. He's going to make a ton
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Speaker 2: of money and going to be a guy that's going
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Speaker 2: to be the face of a team. You know, three, four,
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Speaker 2: five years in it's going to be Sunny Styles defense
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Speaker 2: and that's gonna be a lot of fun to watch.
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Speaker 2: And of course we know he's going to be a
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Speaker 2: top ten pick. He's got several visits scheduled to several
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Speaker 2: NFL teams. Lorenzo Styles, one of the really interesting ones
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Speaker 2: in the draft, wasn't doing anything yesterday as he's recovering
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Speaker 2: from a shoulder surgery, but the forty that he ran
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Speaker 2: at the combine at four two seven blew everybody away
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Speaker 2: that hasn't been paying attention to who Lorenzo Styles is.
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Speaker 2: It's not a secret that he's been one of the
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Speaker 2: very fastest players on the team for some years now,
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Speaker 2: and that was awesome to see for him jumped thirty
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Speaker 2: nine inches as well, and those numbers really boosted him
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Speaker 2: as a guy who was thought of probably as an
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Speaker 2: undrafted free agent to a dude that somebody could take
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Speaker 2: a bit of a flyer on a little bit earlier,
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Speaker 2: because those are rare skills in a safety I mean
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Speaker 2: we're talking top top tier. That's like top five percent
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Speaker 2: of measurables when it comes to safety speed. And we
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Speaker 2: know that he's an extremely bright guy too, so that's
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Speaker 2: certainly helping him in a great personality as well. Caleb
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Speaker 2: did not do anything and he didn't need to. He
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Speaker 2: did refute that knee injury report a little while back
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Speaker 2: that came out that we saw Pat McAfee refute on
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Speaker 2: his show, and nobody even knows the NFL guy, He
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Speaker 2: never even heard of him who said that, but he
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Speaker 2: said he had a knee injury or some teams had
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Speaker 2: marked him with that potential knee injury and it spread
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Speaker 2: and Caleb shot that down, said there's no truth to it. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: Caleber projected top ten pick and would not answer what
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Speaker 2: teams he was meeting with. And he's always been really
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Speaker 2: kind of you know, he doesn't put his information out
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Speaker 2: there like that. But the positional value of safety is
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Speaker 2: not one that usually gets you drafted that high unless
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Speaker 2: you are, you know, you got that big versatility, which
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Speaker 2: Caleb does, but he doesn't have that size to go
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Speaker 2: with it. I don't know, gonna be really interesting to
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Speaker 2: see where he gets drafted. Carnell, another one of the
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Speaker 2: Buck Guys, projected top ten guys. Ransom Routes and gosh man,
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Speaker 2: dude is just so buttery smooth, nice to show that off,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't need to do anything. He has already
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Speaker 2: visited the Browns who picked number six. I'm a Browns fan.
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Speaker 2: Talked to a couple of Browns fans in the comments
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Speaker 2: not too long ago about the pick, and I would
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Speaker 2: say most wouldn't really be too happy with drafting him
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Speaker 2: at six, even though the Browns need a wide receiver.
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Speaker 2: I would be just fine with it. But you know,
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Speaker 2: I just love it when the Browns get Buckeyes on
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Speaker 2: the team. He usually works out, so I would be
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Speaker 2: fine with it. I don't know if he'll go that high.
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Speaker 2: He's drafted, or he's visited every team in the range
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Speaker 2: of you know, from like three to ten, or he
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Speaker 2: will have by the time this probably this is over,
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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see that dude in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Another Buckey stud in the league. Kayden Curry. How about
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Speaker 2: Kayden Curry. Now, Cayden didn't do any of the testing,
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Speaker 2: a whole lot of the testing. He did do one thing,
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Speaker 2: and this is something that I wanted to see him do,
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Speaker 2: was the twenty yard shuttle. Because when we look at
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Speaker 2: Cayden and we look at his size, we look at
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Speaker 2: his athletic ability. It's nothing that's you know, it's not great.
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Speaker 2: It's not great as far as the draft goes. But
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Speaker 2: I thought that in that twenty yard shuttle he could
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Speaker 2: potentially really raise his stock a bit if you really
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Speaker 2: smoked that. Unfortunately, he didn't put down a four to five,
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Speaker 2: which isn't great and it's not going to bump him
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Speaker 2: up at all. But when we look at him, despite
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Speaker 2: being a little undersized and not really popping physically, his
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Speaker 2: mental makeup, his aggression, his motor, and just his ability
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Speaker 2: to produce his film alone, you got to I think
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Speaker 2: that there are some defensive coaches who are just gonna
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Speaker 2: fall in love with him. But where he ends up
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Speaker 2: going on that board is a mystery, total mystery. I
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Speaker 2: hope that there's one team that really loves him and
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Speaker 2: gets him drafted a little bit earlier so he can
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Speaker 2: make some money. But he's definitely a guy that I'm
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Speaker 2: convinced is gonna stick and gonna be a baller in
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Speaker 2: the league. CJ. Donaldson there's another one that's just bewildering.
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Speaker 2: A guy who is gonna win in the meeting room.
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Speaker 2: Great personality, he's very insightful, calls himself a Swiss Army
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Speaker 2: knife and he can do a lot of things. He
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Speaker 2: can catch out of the backfield. Guy was a former
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Speaker 2: tight end. He can run short yardage. He's very good
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Speaker 2: in past pro. That might be the best thing about
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Speaker 2: his game. And CJ. Donaldson with a four three six
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Speaker 2: twenty yard shuttle, which is pretty good. It's tight, IGB
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Speaker 2: and IGB. You know, a much smaller twitch your athlete.
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Speaker 2: And then we saw CJ. Donaldson do some running back
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Speaker 2: drills and man, he looked outstanding for a guy his size.
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Speaker 2: And I just don't get it, Man, this guy is confounding.
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Speaker 2: The lateral speed looked great, he looked shifty, and you
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Speaker 2: just wonder what it is that keeps him from doing
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Speaker 2: that on the football field. The number of times we
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Speaker 2: saw him put moves like we saw the other day
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Speaker 2: at the contor yesterday at the Combine on the field
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Speaker 2: and force a guy to miss a tackle, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: He had like two forced miss tackles on the year.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't get it at all.
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Speaker 2: His running style generally is just to run into people,
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Speaker 2: not even run over like you would think of a
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Speaker 2: guy that size, but kind of just run into him,
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Speaker 2: not try to shake him. And honestly, the physicality part
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Speaker 2: of his game is something that he just you know,
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Speaker 2: very hit or miss. And he never quite could get
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Speaker 2: down the uh well, he never could could quite get
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Speaker 2: down his shoulder pad level, to be honest, he just
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to get it. And I I'll never forget
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Speaker 2: in the Ohio game against a Max safety him meeting
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Speaker 2: a MAX safety in the hole twice on one possession
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Speaker 2: within the five yard line and losing that one on
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Speaker 2: one battle one time getting dumped on his head, and
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Speaker 2: it's just like, dude, you should be blowing this, blowing
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Speaker 2: through this guy, but straight up and down, straight up
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Speaker 2: and down pad level doesn't seem to get it. He
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Speaker 2: did do better as the season went on. I just
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Speaker 2: I don't understand how a senior player is having a
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Speaker 2: hard time understanding that. And when he's in the open field,
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Speaker 2: he tends to seek contact, but I think he could
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Speaker 2: avoid contact a little more using that lateral quickness that
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Speaker 2: we're seeing here in this drill. So he runs his
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Speaker 2: forty and Donaldson runs a four to seven to two.
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Speaker 2: That's not gonna help. That is not gonna help, And
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Speaker 2: you gotta wonder sometimes, why why they run if obviously
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Speaker 2: they know ahead of time where they're gonna be or
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Speaker 2: about where they're gonna be, that's not gonna help bit.
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Speaker 2: Caden McDonald projected to be a late first rounder, early
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Speaker 2: second rounder. Caden hitting the road, visiting about ten teams
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Speaker 2: here between now in the draft in four weeks, looked
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Speaker 2: like an absolute force out there, grunting and growling his
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Speaker 2: way through. Shook the house. Man got confidence. He's over
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Speaker 2: there working out with his shirt off. And when you
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Speaker 2: look at this guy and you look at Taiwan Malone,
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Speaker 2: you would never think that Cayden McDonald is the beast
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Speaker 2: football player, but he sure is. And speaking of Taiwan Malone,
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Speaker 2: there's another interesting one. You know, time alone, looked like
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Speaker 2: a tremendous athlete running that forty five point zero seven.
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Speaker 2: But forget the time, the times, times, whatever, It's just
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Speaker 2: watching a guy that big run with that much coordination.
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Speaker 2: And sure he puts some really good tape on film
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Speaker 2: this year, and he's going to get himself drafted. In fact,
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Speaker 2: I ran across an article by a New Orleans Saints
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Speaker 2: writer and he was talking about how safe it's been
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Speaker 2: for the Saints drafting Ohio State players and what a
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Speaker 2: guy like you know, Taiwan Malone would be a great pick,
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Speaker 2: a guy that the Saints have met with, and how
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Speaker 2: safe Ohio State players are. They come in ready and
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Speaker 2: this is just such a great recruiting tool. As I'm
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Speaker 2: reading this, I'm thinking, you know, when we talk about
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Speaker 2: all these visits that are going on in spring, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what the uh I mean. I don't know
19:26
Speaker 2: if it's maybe a rule, but man, could you imagine
19:29
Speaker 2: getting guys in like Chris Whitehead or some of the
19:32
Speaker 2: top tier recruits Mindshine Sales to come in and visit
19:36
Speaker 2: on Pro Day when you got Ryan Day and their
19:40
Speaker 2: position coach over there, talking with NFL coaches and seeing
19:44
Speaker 2: that whole experience and how Ohio State does it there
19:48
Speaker 2: thirty two teams represented. That to me seems like one
19:51
Speaker 2: of the best recruiting tools you could offer is to
19:53
Speaker 2: schedule those visits on that day. I don't know if
19:55
Speaker 2: it's legal. I imagine it is. I'm guessing they just
19:59
Speaker 2: don't have time and don't want to deal with it.
20:00
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Man, letting him see that might
20:03
Speaker 2: be something. But as far as the guys that are
20:08
Speaker 2: on the draft board. You've also got, you know, a
20:11
Speaker 2: couple of you got a flyer like Ethan On Janua,
20:15
Speaker 2: who Ryan Day talked about yesterday and said he doesn't
20:18
Speaker 2: have much film and that's for sure. Ethan On jan
20:21
Speaker 2: Wua just you know, did not work out. One bit
20:25
Speaker 2: guy who they paid a lot of money and we
20:26
Speaker 2: thought was going to be this time last year the
20:29
Speaker 2: starting left tackle Stallwark plug him in, we don't got
20:33
Speaker 2: to worry about it, and to come out of the season.
20:37
Speaker 2: And now you've got Ryan Day a year later saying
20:39
Speaker 2: he doesn't have much film and it's not due to injury,
20:41
Speaker 2: as something we never would have believed at the time.
20:44
Speaker 2: But he got invited to the Senior Ball, which was
20:47
Speaker 2: a big topic of conversation on my show. And it
20:51
Speaker 2: just goes to show you how much they value traits.
20:53
Speaker 2: They just Ryan Day talked about his traits yesterday. He
20:56
Speaker 2: does got the traits, the traits that they love. In fact,
21:00
Speaker 2: as big as he is ran a five point one one.
21:03
Speaker 2: I mean, damn near his fast is Taiwan Malone and
21:06
Speaker 2: Ethan not quite as put together. He's carrying a little
21:09
Speaker 2: bit extra weight, he's tackle and he's just a bigger
21:12
Speaker 2: man I mean, trades galore, But how can you not
21:17
Speaker 2: play at Ohio State when they're looking for a guard.
21:22
Speaker 2: Anybody step up and take this, you know, take over taker.
21:25
Speaker 2: Shippola can't do it. So I don't know. Man, can
21:28
Speaker 2: this guy make it in the league. I doubt it,
21:32
Speaker 2: but probably get drafted as an under or get signed
21:34
Speaker 2: as an undrafted free agent, and you know, we'll see.
21:38
Speaker 2: We wish him luck. Linebacker Joey Blasquez, local Columbus guy
21:43
Speaker 2: and someone that we always have to remember because he
21:45
Speaker 2: will be an answer to a trivia question you're gonna
21:48
Speaker 2: have someday. The one guy who has a national championship
21:53
Speaker 2: ring with the bloc oh and the block m guy's
21:57
Speaker 2: got a national championship at Michigan, transferred to Ohio State,
22:00
Speaker 2: got a national championship bring from Ohio State. Started off
22:04
Speaker 2: his career at Michigan playing baseball and football. From Columbus
22:07
Speaker 2: to Sales, then transfers to Ohio State in twenty four
22:10
Speaker 2: and twenty five. Participated in some of the drills. Not
22:13
Speaker 2: going to get drafted. Ran a four point nine to
22:16
Speaker 2: eight forty will cast Merrick one of the more interesting
22:19
Speaker 2: ones to me in this draft, and someone that I
22:21
Speaker 2: think is going to be a stall work in the NFL.
22:25
Speaker 2: Just one of these guys that sticks around for a
22:27
Speaker 2: long time. You're not gonna want him on your fantasy team,
22:30
Speaker 2: but he's going to have those weeks where he takes
22:33
Speaker 2: away the touchdown in the yards from the guy on
22:36
Speaker 2: his team that you have the tight end that you have.
22:39
Speaker 2: And the Browns talked to him. He went and visited
22:42
Speaker 2: the Browns projected third day guy, and this dude is
22:46
Speaker 2: just such a you know, sometimes you see somebody in
22:49
Speaker 2: person and it's just like, Wow, that's kind of shocking.
22:53
Speaker 2: Will kas Merrick kind of shocked me. It looks like
22:56
Speaker 2: a guy that if Mick said in six months, I'll
22:59
Speaker 2: make you a left tackle, he could do it. He's
23:02
Speaker 2: that close, he's that long and big. Everything about him
23:06
Speaker 2: is just big. Obviously a tremendous blocker, we know that,
23:10
Speaker 2: and he's made some clutch passes as well. So I'm
23:14
Speaker 2: big on him and I would love if the brown
23:17
Speaker 2: snuck in and got him, and I you know, then
23:20
Speaker 2: you got Max Claire. Max Claire. It's just to me,
23:24
Speaker 2: it's just, you know, he ran some rounds, he caught
23:29
Speaker 2: balls last year, he caught you know, thirty five balls.
23:32
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just was never thoroughly impressed by him,
23:36
Speaker 2: and he'll probably go in the third or fourth round.
23:39
Speaker 2: I thought he certainly could have used another year of
23:42
Speaker 2: college football to get bigger and stronger. But you know,
23:46
Speaker 2: we'll see. And I think we got everybody right, did
23:51
Speaker 2: we go? Oh? Oh? Jayden Fielding? Jayden Fielding kicked a
23:56
Speaker 2: fifty seven yard field goal without a rush, and that
24:00
Speaker 2: got a lot of traction on social media, which was
24:03
Speaker 2: essentially rage bait. I've been telling everybody for years. I
24:07
Speaker 2: showed practice film of Jaden hitting a sixty one yard
24:10
Speaker 2: or with a rush. He's got the leg, he's got
24:13
Speaker 2: the accuracy. We've seen him on the sideline dinging the uprights.
24:18
Speaker 2: He also has a huge ego and doesn't quite have
24:22
Speaker 2: the mental makeup to handle kicking under pressure. But maybe
24:26
Speaker 2: there's a correlation there. Who knows. And then we get
24:30
Speaker 2: to Rvel Rvel Reese, who could be the first Buckeye
24:35
Speaker 2: drafted who after his pro day getting roasted on Twitter
24:40
Speaker 2: with ridiculous people saying he's got a huge ceiling but
24:44
Speaker 2: huge bus potential. Now, the Ohio State Media team account,
24:50
Speaker 2: the Twitter account released a video, and let's start with
24:54
Speaker 2: saying the Ohio State media team ought to know better
24:58
Speaker 2: man arvel Reese is is running around with his shirt off,
25:01
Speaker 2: looking like a mutant like he does physically. He's showcasing
25:05
Speaker 2: his speed, his strength, has burst, his length, the whole nine.
25:10
Speaker 2: And he's working out with the defensive line. He's not
25:11
Speaker 2: used to working out with the defensive line. He's used
25:13
Speaker 2: to working out with the linebackers. Nonetheless, there's no excuse.
25:17
Speaker 2: We've got coaches in the building that can teach him
25:19
Speaker 2: all those drills he needs to be doing, and he's
25:22
Speaker 2: doing drills with the d line. And of all the
25:25
Speaker 2: things you could potentially show from the Ohio State official
25:29
Speaker 2: Twitter feed showcasing rvel Rees looking like a total stud,
25:34
Speaker 2: the Ohio State Media team chooses to tweet out this
25:40
Speaker 2: rvel Rees doing something that man maybe the one thing
25:45
Speaker 2: you could find that he's not a natural at and
25:48
Speaker 2: he doesn't look good, point blank doesn't look good. So
25:53
Speaker 2: for starters, I think it would be a good idea
25:56
Speaker 2: if the people running that Twitter account ran that by
25:59
Speaker 2: someone who knows football, because obviously they thought it looked good.
26:04
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It looks very bad. There's no way to
26:07
Speaker 2: sugarcoat it. That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything.
26:12
Speaker 2: It happens to come out on the same day that
26:15
Speaker 2: Ruben Bain is doing Pro Day in Miami. This is
26:18
Speaker 2: a guy who's been playing edge for how many years now,
26:22
Speaker 2: and Arvel is just now like kind of doing this conversion.
26:27
Speaker 2: Bain obviously is a fantastic at what he does. He's
26:31
Speaker 2: gonna be great at the drills he does. And you know,
26:34
Speaker 2: comparing these two is ridiculous. They don't play alike. They're
26:38
Speaker 2: not gonna play alike in the NFL. Nonetheless, Arvel didn't
26:42
Speaker 2: look good at this. He hasn't had a lot of
26:43
Speaker 2: work at this. You know that when I look at this,
26:46
Speaker 2: the little baby steps he's taking, like everything's all wrong here.
26:50
Speaker 2: And immediately on Twitter, you've got a bunch of idiots
26:54
Speaker 2: and people saying he can't be a top ten pick
26:57
Speaker 2: now using a still shot from that drill, Like listen,
27:01
Speaker 2: look at this dope here talking about you can't be
27:04
Speaker 2: a top ten pick with bend like that, as if
27:07
Speaker 2: this still shot represents his bend total, Like that's all
27:12
Speaker 2: he's got. This still shot right here tells you everything
27:14
Speaker 2: you need to know. Just a moronic statement. I just
27:18
Speaker 2: got to think that Larry, with a week with him
27:21
Speaker 2: working on this, could have had this down pretty well,
27:25
Speaker 2: because I know that he can do better than that.
27:27
Speaker 2: For sure. Maybe he choked, which can happen. The last
27:31
Speaker 2: thing you want to do is push it really hard
27:33
Speaker 2: and slip and fall. And when you look at Bain
27:35
Speaker 2: do it, you know he's down putting a hand on
27:37
Speaker 2: the ground when he's going around it. Rvil's not even
27:40
Speaker 2: really leaning into it like that. And it is tough
27:43
Speaker 2: to make yourself do that. You know, normally it's a man,
27:47
Speaker 2: it's a man, or its hands on you and when
27:49
Speaker 2: you lean in, you got something pushing back on your body,
27:53
Speaker 2: so you're not falling straight over. That's not the case
27:56
Speaker 2: with those dummies. You're gonna fall right over if you
27:58
Speaker 2: put your weight on there, and it does make it
28:01
Speaker 2: kind of scary when you're going around there hard because
28:04
Speaker 2: there's nothing to brace yourself on a little bit. But
28:07
Speaker 2: I just have to believe with a week at coaching,
28:09
Speaker 2: Larry Johnson could have had him running that better. I
28:12
Speaker 2: also know that Michael Parsons. Parsons looked terrible doing this
28:16
Speaker 2: drill at Penn State, and we can also say David Bailey.
28:21
Speaker 2: David Bailey also going to be a top five edge rusher,
28:24
Speaker 2: did his at Texas Tech. Now, David Bailey has been
28:27
Speaker 2: playing edge for years. David Bailey the guy who transferred
28:32
Speaker 2: from Stanford down to Texas Tech, and the buck guys
28:34
Speaker 2: didn't try to get him in Texas Tech. Way ever
28:36
Speaker 2: paid him. But I remember when he signed with Texas Tech,
28:41
Speaker 2: and there were some people that were irritated at Ohio
28:43
Speaker 2: State didn't try to get him because he was so
28:46
Speaker 2: good at Stanford. At a couple of the Buck Eye
28:49
Speaker 2: media crew saying, oh we got CJ. Hicks Man. The
28:53
Speaker 2: Ohio State views CJ. Hicks is just as good at
28:55
Speaker 2: him as him. This dude's gonna go in the top five,
28:58
Speaker 2: and c J. Hicks is is playing in the group
29:01
Speaker 2: of five, but a group of six. Now, sorry, I
29:04
Speaker 2: don't want to disrespect that PAP twelve, which is making
29:06
Speaker 2: a comeback now. Anyway, when we talk about rvel Ree,
29:12
Speaker 2: we're talking about one of the freakier athletes we've seen
29:15
Speaker 2: come through Ohio State, a guy that is such a
29:18
Speaker 2: freak athlete that he has now got himself into position
29:22
Speaker 2: being drafted number two in the NFL Draft, And it's
29:25
Speaker 2: not because of the numbers he put up, they're not
29:27
Speaker 2: really impressive. It's because of his athleticism. It's because of
29:31
Speaker 2: how he made the defense change what they were gonna
29:35
Speaker 2: do because of him, because they were so scared. Then
29:38
Speaker 2: you got Emanuel Lacho. Emmanuel Lacho, who's you know, former
29:42
Speaker 2: Texas Longhorn made a name for himself and social media
29:46
Speaker 2: and podcasting and working on ESPN, and he comes out
29:51
Speaker 2: with some controversial takes and Acho called Arvel the of
29:57
Speaker 2: the guys that are getting drafted high, the highest seal
30:00
Speaker 2: but highest bus potential. I want you to listen to
30:03
Speaker 2: his point of view on that.
30:05
Speaker 3: Basically speaking social media team, you can't post that number
30:08
Speaker 3: one number two.
30:10
Speaker 2: I don't tea.
30:11
Speaker 3: I won't look at a drill and be like, oh,
30:13
Speaker 3: this guy can ball because of the drill. But I
30:16
Speaker 3: will look at a drill and be like, uh, oh,
30:17
Speaker 3: I got concerns because of a drill. Arvel Reese is
30:21
Speaker 3: not a natural edge rusher. There are some individuals that
30:24
Speaker 3: are just natural pass rushers, DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen, just
30:28
Speaker 3: Dwight Freeney, Von Miller natural pass rushers. Then there are
30:33
Speaker 3: other dudes that are freak athletes that can rush the passer.
30:36
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons is a freak athlete. They can rush the passer.
30:40
Speaker 3: Arvel Reese is not a natural by any stretch of
30:43
Speaker 3: the imagination edge rusher. What I mean by naturals, Like
30:45
Speaker 3: some dudes, it's just like combat.
30:48
Speaker 2: You just their hands.
30:49
Speaker 3: They see they see an offensive lineman shoot their elbows
30:51
Speaker 3: without even thinking, they just two hands wipe. They see
30:54
Speaker 3: an offensive lineman try to quick set them without even thinking,
30:57
Speaker 3: they just dip and rip. Some people, it's just like
30:59
Speaker 3: watching a black belt. It's the craziest thing that is
31:02
Speaker 3: not rvel Reese. Rvl Reese is six' five four three
31:06
Speaker 3: eight running two hundred and thirty some odd pounds standing.
31:09
Speaker 3: Athlete but WHEN i look at, THAT i don't love
31:14
Speaker 3: Rvel ree playing on the edge every. DOWN i like
31:19
Speaker 3: rvel res playing off, ball but the problem with GoF
31:22
Speaker 3: ball is like you have to have real instincts to
31:24
Speaker 3: play off ball. Linebacker you can just be big and
31:26
Speaker 3: fast and play off ball. LINEBACKER i like Rvel ree
31:29
Speaker 3: on third downs and stunts in games and in movements
31:33
Speaker 3: with tackles and with. Ands that's HOW i like utilizing
31:36
Speaker 3: Garvel reaves because T i think he's probably the highest,
31:41
Speaker 3: ceiling highest bust prospect that's going to go in the first.
31:44
Speaker 2: Round you want to talk about a ridiculous thing to.
31:47
Speaker 2: Say he's talking about those stud pass, rushers, right all those,
31:52
Speaker 2: guys and how they just naturally came out of the
31:56
Speaker 2: womb with these, Skills, right they come out of the
31:59
Speaker 2: womb knowing that when clearly that is learned, behavior that
32:03
Speaker 2: is from playing the position a very long, time rep
32:06
Speaker 2: after rep after rep after. Rep and that's why they're
32:10
Speaker 2: so instinctual in being strong and physically. Freakish that's why
32:14
Speaker 2: they look like. That it's reps over. Time it's not
32:18
Speaker 2: how they were. Born that's not what happened to. Manual
32:20
Speaker 2: they weren't born that. Way our vel rees can learn all.
32:24
Speaker 2: THAT i have no doubt about. IT i do believe
32:28
Speaker 2: that when it comes to, leverage AND i think we
32:31
Speaker 2: see this in high school offensive lineman all the, time
32:33
Speaker 2: there is definitely something to some humans just understanding naturally
32:39
Speaker 2: leverage and how to move another person's body somewhere they
32:42
Speaker 2: don't want to. GO i definitely believe in. That but
32:45
Speaker 2: as far as everything he's, listing you do, THIS i do.
32:49
Speaker 2: This that's a learned, behavior that's not something you're just born.
32:54
Speaker 2: With and when you look At arvel and everything he's
32:57
Speaker 2: got to, offer is that a guy gonna, SAY i
33:00
Speaker 2: don't think he can learn. That i'm not betting against,
33:04
Speaker 2: him not at. All if my team was taken in
33:07
Speaker 2: with the number two pick AND i didn't need a,
33:10
Speaker 2: Quarterback i'd be totally fine with. It when we look
33:14
Speaker 2: at this, draft is there anybody else outside of, QUARTERBACK
33:17
Speaker 2: i mean even even quarterback that you would want more than?
33:20
Speaker 2: HIM i don't think. SO i think he was underutilized
33:24
Speaker 2: At Ohio. STATE i would have loved to see more
33:26
Speaker 2: out of him the second half of the. Season the
33:30
Speaker 2: fact that we got to see him so, BRIEFLY i
33:33
Speaker 2: think when we look back five years from now and
33:37
Speaker 2: we do our conversation about the highest drafted players that
33:41
Speaker 2: have ever come out Of Ohio, STATE i don't think
33:44
Speaker 2: there will be any player that we knew less Than
33:47
Speaker 2: Rvel race on the. Field you, know we just had
33:51
Speaker 2: such a blip of time with, him and really it felt,
33:54
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't, know the first six games of his junior,
33:58
Speaker 2: year there were you, know there was a little, here
34:00
Speaker 2: there was a little, there but the buzz around the,
34:05
Speaker 2: nation the, clips social media was just bombarded with them.
34:09
Speaker 2: Scouts but you look at this, guy what he can
34:11
Speaker 2: do ever since The texas game and maybe you, know
34:15
Speaker 2: four or five games after The texas to What washington
34:18
Speaker 2: was like game, four maybe a couple more games after,
34:21
Speaker 2: that and then it was like, poof everybody's running away from,
34:26
Speaker 2: him and you, know The buck guys aren't making a
34:29
Speaker 2: concerted effort to try to get him involved because you
34:31
Speaker 2: don't need. To you Got sonny And caleb and you
34:35
Speaker 2: got everything. Covered but it's just we're gonna look back
34:39
Speaker 2: and be, like my, gosh in any other era Of
34:41
Speaker 2: Ohio state, football not playing on that, defense we could
34:45
Speaker 2: have seen so much more out of. Him he could
34:47
Speaker 2: have done so much, more and it kind of, sucks
34:51
Speaker 2: but that's An ohio. Boy we got Two ohio boys
34:56
Speaker 2: heading from The buck guys to THE Nfl draft in
35:00
Speaker 2: the first. Round gotta love. That and we have found
35:05
Speaker 2: our Next glenville. Offer we'll talk about that coming up,
35:09
Speaker 2: soon but that's what we got. TODAY i do appreciate
35:12
Speaker 2: you guys so. Much Oh i'm sorry we didn't go
35:15
Speaker 2: over our list. Yet we gotta go over a. List all,
35:17
Speaker 2: right let me pull up the. List so when we
35:20
Speaker 2: look at twenty twenty, six we got our guaranteed drafted
35:24
Speaker 2: guys and r Vel, Reee Sonny, Styles Caleb, Downs caden.
35:28
Speaker 2: McDonald that's. FIVE i Got Caleb downs, Twice Caden, CURRY
35:33
Speaker 2: igb that's seven time, Alone Lorenzo Styles junior that's. Nine
35:45
Speaker 2: that's nine draft. PICKS i hope we get the double.
35:49
Speaker 2: DIGITS i think that might be the. CAP i think
35:51
Speaker 2: nine might be the. Cab twenty twenty. Seven these are
35:57
Speaker 2: all the guys we know we'll be. Leaving most of
36:00
Speaker 2: these guys have to be. LEAVING i Put jeremiah in
36:02
Speaker 2: there as we know for sure he's. Leaving but look
36:05
Speaker 2: at twenty seven guys that we know for sure are
36:08
Speaker 2: going to get. Drafted Jeremiah, Kenyata Terry, More Earl Little James,
36:14
Speaker 2: Smith Luke, Montgomery devin, McEwan Brandon, Innis Christian. ALLEGRO i
36:22
Speaker 2: Think Jacobe jackson Bo atkinson does not make that list for.
36:26
Speaker 2: Me but that's ten right, there and that's assuming nobody's
36:31
Speaker 2: making the decision to. Go so we got ten. Already
36:34
Speaker 2: how about the guys with Decisions Julian, sayan could he.
36:37
Speaker 2: LEAVE i think it's likely that would be, Eleven Jermaine
36:41
Speaker 2: matthews probably that's, Twelve Austin sarahvel, Thirteen Phil daniels, Fourteen Kway.
36:49
Speaker 2: Rusaw somebody's drafting that traits this one, Here John, Walker Eddie,
36:54
Speaker 2: Houston Peyton, Pierce Kyle, Parker Will, smith a couple of
36:58
Speaker 2: guys in there that might not get, drafted but twenty
37:01
Speaker 2: seven might be the record. Setter guys twenty seven might
37:06
Speaker 2: be the record. Setter but my point is when we
37:11
Speaker 2: talk about, this so now we've gone from fourteen to
37:16
Speaker 2: nine to, fourteen and when you lose all these seniors
37:22
Speaker 2: that you just brought, in guys Like Terry, Moore Earl
37:25
Speaker 2: Little devin, McEwan Christian, Alegro Jacobe, jackson you bring him
37:30
Speaker 2: in one, year they're. Gone there's a lot of those
37:34
Speaker 2: where you're gonna bring another one in in their final,
37:36
Speaker 2: year and we're just gonna keep having these enormous. Classes
37:41
Speaker 2: you're gonna get those guys in addition to our homegrown
37:44
Speaker 2: guys up there that are gonna be heading off to the,
37:46
Speaker 2: draft and then you're gonna get those one year turnaround
37:48
Speaker 2: guys And we're gonna consistently be putting In tennish guys
37:53
Speaker 2: every year into THE Nfl draft where we used to
37:55
Speaker 2: have these. Dips SO i think it's pretty. AWESOME i
38:00
Speaker 2: think it's pretty. AWESOME i love. It in this, year
38:03
Speaker 2: it might be the first year in a while That
38:04
Speaker 2: i'm gonna be all in on THE nfl. Again it's
38:06
Speaker 2: been about five. Years i've taken kind of a hiatus
38:09
Speaker 2: from THE, nfl just so sick of my browns and.
38:13
Speaker 2: Whatever i'm gonna quit pouting And i'm gonna get back
38:16
Speaker 2: in all. Right now we are done with the. SHOW
38:19
Speaker 2: i do appreciate you. GUYS i will talk to you Next.
38:23
Speaker 2: Monday you can join me On juck On books where
38:26
Speaker 2: we will be talking about some defensive line As James
38:29
Speaker 2: smith was sensational today in his, interview and he's got
38:35
Speaker 2: me so, excited not just the, interview but the interview
38:38
Speaker 2: and what he said at the, interview combined with WHEN
38:41
Speaker 2: i saw him at practice the second opening viewing period
38:47
Speaker 2: we had down, there it really opened my eyes as
38:51
Speaker 2: to what this guy really. Is he is a. Powerhouse you,
38:54
Speaker 2: know they were hitting that. Sled different sound When james hit,
38:58
Speaker 2: it just a different level of ferocity and, tenacity and
39:03
Speaker 2: then you listen to him and it's, Like, okay this,
39:06
Speaker 2: dude sharp, MAN i like. THIS i like this a.
39:08
Speaker 2: Lot so now all of a, sudden a position WHERE
39:12
Speaker 2: i was a little nervous about not so much. Anymore
39:15
Speaker 2: but he mentioned today that's you, know what we thought
39:19
Speaker 2: was him And edrick kind of battling it at Three.
39:22
Speaker 2: Tech he's also been playing. Nose so now all we
39:27
Speaker 2: need to think of is not is it going to
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Speaker 2: Be John, Walker Will smith AT, Nos Edric Houston James
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Speaker 2: smith at Three? Tech who's going to be the top? Two?
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Speaker 2: There now it's MORE i Think James smith is your.
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Speaker 2: One he can go between either. Spot who's your? Two
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Speaker 2: is It? Edric is It John? Walker Will? Smith Because
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Speaker 2: james can go either? Way and that's a great. THING
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Speaker 2: i hope it's a and It's edric And James smith
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Speaker 2: as the top. Two And edric has taken that next.
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Speaker 2: Step he has the highest. UPSIDE i think that would be.
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Speaker 2: Ideal and then you got two really solid backups In
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Speaker 2: smith And, walker and Then james can swing back the
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Speaker 2: other way when you bring one of them, In so
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Speaker 2: that would be pretty, awesome all, right appreciate you. GUYS
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Speaker 2: i will talk to you Next. Monday have a great.
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