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87. [Florida] Saleha Huuda · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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a quite the interchange with the fella at the end. He thinks I'm a
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bitch, but that's okay because I think he's a dumbass. So all right,
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anyways, moving on, But I'll post some pictures of when we get
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it all cleaned and decorated and everything like that. But anyways, all right,
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so let's get into the episode. Out of Florida. Stu Celia Hooda
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was born May twenty seventh, nineteen eighty nine. Her family was originally from
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Ghana and they moved here in the nineteen nineties. Now Selee's parents, they
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wanted more opportunity for Selia and her siblings. That's the reason that they came
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over to America. And they, you know, wanted him to pursue like
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college and do all these these big things and whatever careers they wanted to do,
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whatever passions and stuff. So Slee was described as energetic, fund and
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a social butterfly. She excelled in dance and cheerleading, and she loved to
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move. Anytime she heard music that there was a beat plane, she was
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she was going st she was having it, you know, shaking it out,
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just shaking it. And she was good at it too. So Selia
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she would attend the PK. Young Developmental Research School, which is a K
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through twelveth school affiliated with the University of Florida. Now, after graduation,
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she attended Santa Fe College, graduating and then moving on to the University of
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Florida in Gainesville to pursue her bachelor's degree. Now, Gainesville stud that's the
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home of the University of Florida and also not the home of but actually the
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home of the person I'm going to talk about, the Gainesville Ripper because actually
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Louisa, he's from Louisiana, but he went over, Danny Rolling, he
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went over. He actually killed some people in Louisiana and then he went over
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to Gainesville and killed I think five college students over a couple of days.
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Yeah, you know about that one. I don't know about that one.
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Okay, Wow, Okay, we're going to need to talk after this.
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So anyway, so she decided to move out of the family home whenever she
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started at the University of Florida, and her parents were just not happy about
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this at all. Her parents apparently ran a very tight ship you know at
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the home and stuff like that. But Sealia, she wanted some freedom and
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she also just wanted to be closer to campus. You know, it was
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just their how their family was that they everyone just stayed home and the parents
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were to the you know, centerpiece of the Yes and laid down the law
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cultural from Ghana. Yeah maybe, and laid down the law about like this
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is what we're going to be doing and this is who can be stepping out
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on. Okay. So while attending college studying, she was studying Family,
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Youth and Community sciences. Sealia became a cheerleader for the Florida Gators and was
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on a dance team called Urban Essence. Now she was thriving, making friends,
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and she was finding her independence living out on her own. On December
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twenty nine, twenty ten, Salia was supposed to meet with her friend Indeed
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to go dancing that night. Now, Salia calls Indy and tells her she
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will be stopping by later and we're going to go do this. Indy says
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that she never saw Saliah that night and that she exter the next day,
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but she never heard back from her. This totally sounds like me, like,
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yeah, we're gonna go do this, and then I sleep fall asleep
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at like nine pm, watching Real Housewives on the couch with a glass of
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wine, being like, I always make big plans in the night. I
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know I know better than myself. I know myself better now. I never
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make plans past like like seven pm. I'm just not gonna do them.
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I'm going to cancel. No, you're not leaving the house. No,
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I'm not like me and my friends now, which we all have children now,
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but like we schedule if we're gonna go to dinner or something, we're
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scheduling. It's like we're like, let's meet at five thirty. Yes,
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we need to be home. Yeah, I'm an old lady. I've been
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an old lady since me and Stu started dating pretty much. Stu was wanting
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to go and stuff, and I'm like, nah, can we just stay
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home? This is true? This is true. Funny daddy, I'm not
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a funny daddy. I probably kept you out of trouble spending a bunch of
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money. Maybe that. Yeah. Anyway, Andy was not too concerned that
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Sealia hadn't texted her back, because Selia had gone without responding before and it
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was something that was not too unusual that going. I mean, I'm gonna
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make plans and then be like, oh, she kind of flaked it.
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She's Maye, She's a little flaky on plans, flaked off. And then
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she wouldn't respond to text messages. I mean, I've done that before.
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You look at a text maschine, you're like, oh, yeah, I
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gotta respond to that. I know you You open it and then you forget
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and then like then you look back three days later like, oh my god,
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I never respond to that person. Now he sit coming on your watch
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or something here. Oh yeah, I'll get back. I'll get to them
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as soon as I'm done with this. No. Yeah, so Andy wasn't
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too concerned because Sealia was known for this. Now two days go buying nothing
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from Salia. Indy though, still doesn't think anything of it until Sealia's mom
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called, asking if that Indy had heard from her. Andy tells her no,
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but Indy was still not alarmed. For Summariz, Yeah, well,
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because INDI's the friend. The family starting is concerned. Indie's a friend,
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she's one of our best friends. But we don't know that. They didn't
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like talk every day, so it wasn't like crazy to not if my friends
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if I didn't respond to my friends, like we don't talk every single day,
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if I didn't respond to a text, they wouldn't think anything of it.
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They just like move and be like, oh, Kara's busier. No,
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one't like I murdered you. No, Oh god, I need to
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talk to them. Wow. What kind of friends do you have that don't
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suspect you of murder? I think the best of you. Yes, I
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don't know. I need to talk more poorly about you in front of them,
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I guess. Yes, I speak too highly of you, Michael at
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all. I actually don't even know I'm married. Apologies for the stupid laugh.
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I'm sure we'll get a right in about that one anyway. So Shan
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this is Celia's sister. She tries calling and textingsle it with no answer.
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She checks her Facebook and it showed that she had not been active for a
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couple of days now. In January second, twenty eleven, Slei's family reaches
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out to law enforcement to report her as missing. They walked through the last
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time that they saw her, which was around four pm on December twenty ninth.
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They were immediately concerned due to the fact that Selia normally keeps in contact
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with their parents and especially her sister. So I said, Indie, maybe
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not her best friend, but her family. She got that close knit family,
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like, that's just how they operate. They go to our apartment to
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do a welfare check, and when there's no answer, they enter the apartment.
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They had reason enough to go ahead and go in with her being Mia
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for a couple of days. Now the apartment is in normal order, but
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there is no sign of Celia. They enter the bathroom where they find Selia's
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dog, Vegas, curled up in a ball and the dog is just terrified.
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Her family and friends they know immediately something is wrong with Seleiah because she
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absolutely loved that dog, and there is no way that she would abandon that
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dog, just lock him in a bathroom and him be afraid like that.
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That just wouldn't That would never happen. So they have no apparent clues in
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the apartment, but they do note that her car is missing. Now with
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everything adding up, they know that yes, her car is missing, but
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with the dog like this, her not speaking, they know she has not
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gone missing on her own accord. This isn't her just taking off for whatever,
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she's someone's done something to her. She's been detained somewhere, somehow,
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some way, stuarts by someone by someone. Meanwhile, there's a different investigation
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going on with different investigators, says Gainesville. It's in the college town,
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so there's probably that's pretty decent sized town. I would think, yeah,
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this isn't well yeah, I would think so too, Stewart. I don't
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know what the population. Some some college towns are smaller than others. I
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know I grew up in. Some of them just empty out as soon as
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though, well that's where the college town. Well, I think Gainesville has
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other things going on. It's a big town in Florida. But where I
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went to college, Uh, one of the times was Stephen F. Austin
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and Nakodosius and that talent has thirty five thousand people. But it's like literally
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it's either a college student or like super like elderly people that have been there
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for you know, decades, like there's no one between. So in Luffkin,
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where I where I grew up, was the town where everybody, all
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the stuff was. So even though the town was the same size, it
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was like a it had like the mall within I had all the restaurants and
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all the you know, um, what are the what are the young adults?
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No, the career people like where all the career people would would no
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anyways, But in Nacodosius, though, all it had was like the college
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stuff and then a suit like summer. It was dead over there. There
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was the mall. W had like no stores in or anything because there was
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nothing but college kids. So yeah, and it was a small town.
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They would definitely know if there was two investigations going on, because it would
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be the same investigation probably. Yeah. My point is Gainesville's big enough to
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have multiple investigation not knowing what's happening with each other's No one's up with each
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other. Yeah, I think stay whatever. I don't even care whatever.
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Someone call me stupid, It's fine, stupid Stuart. Now, on December
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thirtieth, Police and Fire Department responds to a call about a brush fire on
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Racetrack Road, which not Racetrack Road. Yeah. Now, this is a
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desolate area with no homes, no buildings, nothing pretty much nearby. It
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is racetrack Road, so I'm assuming they use it as a racetrack talent.
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Go out there on the dirt road and yeah, get to going now.
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They believe they're just putting out a simple fire, but as the flames received,
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they see the shape of a body. Fire department calls and investigators and
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they can tell that a person was doused with gasoline as you can just smell
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it in the air coming from the body. Yuh. Now, most of
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the body was unrecognizable except a small part of the face, and they could
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tell the victim was a black female, but that was about it. When
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observing the scene, they knew whoever disposed of the body would have had to
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part for quite some time since the body was found about twenty feet off the
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roadway, so that would have to drag the body out of the car get
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them over. This isn't a quick like pull up to the side of the
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road, push them out the back of the truck or whatever. And this
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was a physical act of hauling the body lighting it on fire twenty feet off
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the side of the road. I mean, so they someone could have possibly
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seen that car, is what they're hoping. Yeah, So they start collecting
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anything they can find from the crime scene and hopes that something will lead them
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to the identity of their victim. This included anything that was there like a
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tissue in the grass, a paper towel on the side of the road,
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and a partially burned flyer, which this is like this sucks for them too,
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because you can imagine when and everything, like who knows where you drop
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something on the ground, it's like gone in two seconds so, or something
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blowing from a mile they're into this crime scene and now you've got to collect
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it or some litter bug just throwing. Aren't those the worst people? Litter
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people who you see that litter out of their cars? I hate them,
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Stewart, Is that where we're going with us? Yes, I hate them,
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and you talk my season one and then it's like, what do you
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even do? You can like call that number and then they might find them
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a couple hundred dollars, but probably not anyways. I just they're just the
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worst humans? Are they the worst humans? I thought we established last episode
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that Sarah Cabanall was the worst human? Oh the y'all need jesus. Yeah,
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uh, they're they're right around there with her. And then we'll move
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our way up to like serial killers and well I mean as far as nine
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violent criminals. Yeah, police get a break when the body is sent to
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the metal. Met Man I can't even talk ton medical examiner, and he
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was able to pull a fingerprint from one of two fingers. He was able
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to determine that the victim was dead prior to being burned. And they run
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the princes and they find out that the victim is Salia Hooda, the twenty
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one year old college student. Now the pieces of these two investigations are finally
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fitting together. They now know what has become of Salia, so they contact
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her family and they are just completely devastated. I mean, this is shocking.
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I mean, in a million years, you would never think she's been
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disposed of on the side of the road and lit on fire like that is
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probably, I mean not even in the realm of possibilities you could think that
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would be what would happen to this twenty one year old She's a cheerleader,
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for God's sakes at the University of Florida, Like this is not going to
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set her ass on fire. Yeah, the cheerleaders get pretty vicious. They
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are. We've seen I've seen some Lifetime shows about cheerleaders in their angry mothers
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like bring it on? Are you really going to bring up? Bring it
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on? Sto, I've never seen it. I just know some dueling cheerleaders.
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They were dueling cheerleaders get cut in the moment. No nobody got cut,
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but they certainly did bring in ste Yes. I used to know all
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the cheers to that thing too. If if I heard like the start of
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one, I could do it right now, like I knew. I watched
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this that with Kirsten does. I watched that um that movie so many times
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it's unreal. So anyways, okay, anyways, they'll bring me off track,
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Stewart, so please. They questioned the family about Salia's life. Who
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her friends were, did she have a boyfriend, did she have enemies or
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anyone that might want to hurt her like a dueling cheer squad from the other
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side of town. So the first person that comes to mind is Antonio Drayton.
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Now, Antonio was Salia's boyfriend. They had like an up and down
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type of relationship, and the family also suspected that Antonio was abusive to Celia.
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Their suspicion started when Selia came home with injuries that just didn't make sense
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for this agile dancer. Like we said, she danced, she cheered,
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she was quick, on her feet like she wasn't clumsy like me or our
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child. Anyways, one time she had a dislocated shoulder and she said she
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fell during dance. Now, and her sister just didn't seem like when she
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told her that, she was like, I don't that doesn't make sense to
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me, but okay. Now, in June of twenty ten, soon after
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the injuries were becoming visible, Sealiah's boyfriend attacked her and started choking her.
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So all this is she has the disclo located shoulder. She's making an excuse
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for that. Then he starts hurting her where they can see the physical bruises,
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and then this big event happens where he actually physically attacks her, chokes
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or she's able to get away from him, and she calls nine on one.
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Now he is arrested and charged with domestic battery, burglary, and larceny.
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I don't know what else he did in those things. It wasn't clear,
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but he did a bunch of other shit, I guess now. However,
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nothing would be done as Salie had chose not to pursue the charges,
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and without her testimony, they didn't really have anything to go on because she's
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only witness, She's the only person didn't happen to her. I mean,
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they got to have her, you know, come forward and testify against him.
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So those charges were dropped, and after the incidents, Leah became even
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more secluded from her family. I'm sure she was probably ashamed, you know,
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she still didn't press charges against this guy. He's hurting her, and
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she just like let it go. I'm sure she felt just bringing shame on
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the family. Yeah, I'm sure she felt like herself and she didn't think
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her family will prove so. Yeah, so she's probably just like, I'm
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just going to stay away from him and and continue on with this Antonio guy.
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Police are ready to talk to Antonio. However, he beats some of
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that punch because he calls them first someone nervous. Maybe no, maybe he's
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like, oh, these month huger is gonna be coming looking for men.
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Might as well go talking. Yeah, because whenever I'm I'm a suspect,
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possibly in a murderer, I'm just like, yeah, let me call them.
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That seems innocent. We'll see after I end up. Mysteriously they ceased.
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Now, Antonio offers up his DNA sample. He agrees to be questioned,
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he tells police that he met Salia about two years ago at a party
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and she messaged him on MySpace. That's how that's way back Wednesday over here
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messaged on MySpace. Did you have a MySpace too? You did have a
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MySpace. I had a MySpace too. You had to be friends with Tom
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m he it's my buddy. Yeah, not Tom Sandoval though he's nobody's friend
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right now, don't I know you've done with that? You made me said
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now. Police ask him if they were exclusive, but he needs an old
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Antonio. He needs the police that clarify. He's gonna need what EXI means.
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He's need He's gonna need the dictionary on that one. He's like,
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he's like breaking down to me, like I'm in fifth grade, Yes,
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break it down to me Barney style. So, like, was Celia the
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only girl that you were seeing? And he was like, oh no,
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I was seeing other women, but she took it as I was her boyfriend.
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So Celia thought they were exclusive. Antony was like, hell no,
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I feel like Celia actually had the actual you know, that's what old dumbasses.
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He probably didn't know what exclusive meant. So he's just like sure,
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she probably said do you want to be exclusive? And she was like,
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he was like, yeah, that's great, baby, Yeah let's do that
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or whatever. And then he's like, oh no, I was sleeping with
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all sorts of women. He's just okay, this guy's just a piece of
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shit. I can tell you that, and he's an idiot. But anyways,
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yes, okay, we'll see jumping ahead in the story is what you're
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doing. Huh. So they questioned him about the abuse, and then he
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says that he had slammed her and pushed her, but he would never punch
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her. They keep talking to Antonio and he starts speaking real fast, and
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then he's just saying a bunch of crap, a bunch of mumbo jumbo stuff,
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and then he goes. Then he starts he tells the police this is
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a quote, this is a quote, that he was thinking too fast and
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he got caught up being sneaky. I don't know what that means. We're
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not operating amongst all cylinders here with old Antonio here. No police flat out
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asked him if he killed Celia, and he says that he did not,
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and he does not know who killed Sealia. So they asked him about where
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he was at the time of the murder. He says he was at home
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with a girlfriend, forty two year old Cassandra Kimborough. Yeah, and I
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couldn't get the exact age for old Antonio, but he was not in his
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forties. He was he was like in his probably mid mid twenties. He
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was a little I think he was a little bit older than Celia. He
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was not in college with or anything like that. But now he's not college
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but two now, it does not seem like him. He might not even
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be like ninth grade material. I'm not really sure. Man. We can't
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even send him to get his GEB. No. Now, cass as Antonio
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called her, did not seem to care about his cheating ways. And she
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would hang around and knew about the other girls, so and then she wouldn't
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say anything. So he's just whatever. Yeah, it was great. Then
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I just I would I would love to talk to all these women, be
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like, why this guy, why this person? He's just not when you
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the other girls. So we get into it anyways, we'll get into it.
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But the other girls, like Slee is like in college, she's about
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to graduate. She's a cheerleader, very pretty girl, got all this stuff
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going for a driven, ambitious the forty two year old cass I was expecting,
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Like, I don't know what I was expecting, but she looks like
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she could. She's like a school teacher type thing. The other then we'll
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talk about it later. But there's other girls, and all of them.
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There's more women. Yes, we'll talk about but the other girls too.
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We're all like well put together college students. Just sounded very smart and everything
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is fucking dumbass. I don't get it at all. I like the bad
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boys, I guess now. Antonio then begins talking about Angela Owens that who
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was his new girlfriend, and she thought Antonio was a liar. She believed
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that Antonio was texting Celia, even though Antonio denied it. During this time,
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Antonio also spoke to a local reporter. He was questioned about the incident
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back in June twenty ten where he was arrested for the abuse. He says
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he did not remember the incident as he was drunk that night. But Antonio,
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Yeah, he might have pushed her, but he did not choke her.
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That's where he draws the long abuse his bitches, Yeah, Stuart,
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what he probably would say something like that probably anyways, Yeah, he's Anyways,
24:56
police they start looking into Angela and ass and they find that Angela and
25:00
Celia do have a history. So Angela and Celia were fighting over Antonio.
25:06
Come on, girls, we gotta do better, and things came to a
25:08
head one night at a club. Now, Celia and Angela actually got into
25:12
a physical fight and Angela took out a restraining order against Celia. Celio scrapped
25:18
that scrap er. She was just think she was just trying to I think
25:22
she was just they got I'm sure they got into it, and I'm sure
25:26
if Celia initiated then she was just like I'm going to get a restraining order
25:30
and be like yeah. So after this, Celia was still focused on trying
25:36
to get back together with Antonias. We got Angela wanting Antonio. Celia got
25:41
the restraining order, but she still wants to be with Antonio. And then
25:44
about a month before Celia was murdered, she goes to Antonio's apartment to try
25:48
and work things out. Now, as she enters the apartment, she sees
25:52
Angela standing there. Now, her and Angela got into it immediately, as
25:56
Celia ends up being arrested and taken off to jail. Now realizing she had
26:02
like how far this has gotten out of hand? Now she's being arrested over
26:06
this loser guy. Celia makes a decision to stop pursuing Antonio and get back
26:11
to just focusing on her schoolwork, finishing out her senior year, and moving
26:15
on with her life. And this was about a month before she was murdered.
26:18
Oh, I thought you were going to say this is the end.
26:21
No no oh. On January fifth, police bring in Angela for question.
26:27
Angela is very calm when retelling the story of her and Salia's encounters. She
26:33
tells police that four days before the murder, Celia had actually contacted her and
26:37
apologized for things getting out of hand and for getting in a file with her
26:41
at the club. Angela accepts the apology, and they seem to make this
26:47
quasi truce that they have going on. I mean quasi truce. Well,
26:52
you never know who's if it's real or fake or they both see it's so
26:56
funny watching them or watching Sli and then watch watching Angela be interviewed. I
27:00
mean, you think they're so both of them are like just so calm and
27:06
everything. It's like two girls working on a senior project together in college,
27:10
not getting into fights at a nightclub. I mean, so yeah, it
27:12
seemed like they were mature enough to move on past this yeah situation. Police
27:18
do get Angela's alibi and she says she was at work and a DNA sample
27:23
as well as a DNA sample, and they let her go because her alibi
27:27
checks out DNA is not a match. After speaking with her, it didn't
27:33
seem that she had any ongoing issues with Salia after they after they had had
27:38
their truce just before the murder. They also seem to both be moving on
27:44
with their lives and away from Antonio, thank god. Now, while waiting
27:48
for those DNA samples to come back with Antonio and everything, they begin reviewing
27:53
gas station footage from around where the body was found. Now, one of
27:57
these videos, they see Salia's silver Nissan pulling into a gas station around one
28:03
am the day of the murder. Now, the person walks into the store,
28:07
but you can tell that this isn't Celia right off. The bat's wrong
28:10
high and wrong build everything. So the person is wearing a wearing blue pants
28:15
and a large blue jacket with the hood pulled up, just based on what
28:21
when they saw Angela. They're thinking maybe this might be Angela. They're not
28:23
sure, but it's hard to tell for certain because when you see the video,
28:27
it the hood's pulled over in the face, isn't You can't tell a
28:32
lot from the face. Now, the person pays for two dollars worth of
28:34
gasoline to put in a gas can and then walks out of the store back
28:38
to the vehicle, and today's times, that would be seven dollars. Yes.
28:45
At this point, police believe that Selia was most likely dead or detained
28:48
in either the backseat or the trunk of that car that was pulled up in
28:52
that gas station, which is very disturbing, you know. I mean,
28:55
they can't see in the car from the angle of the camera, but this
28:57
is just them assuming, which is really creepy looking at the video, knowing
29:02
that she's in there. Probably already did now, going on the hunch that
29:07
it was Angela getting fuel that night, police subpoena for her cell phone records.
29:11
They want to see if Angela was near the gas station that night,
29:15
but the records do confirm her alibi. Like I said, because Stu went
29:21
off. This is what happens when he goes off. Script and starts just
29:25
like ad living whenever they let her go. The first time, they when
29:29
they spoke to her and they got her alibi in her DNA, they hadn't
29:33
actually ran all that stuff. They hadn't checked out her alibi, but they
29:37
were able to check it with the phone records this time. So anyway,
29:41
sorry for the confusion people that stu They weren't confused until you confuse them.
29:47
Angela was at work and then at her home the whole time that the night
29:52
that Celia was being murdered and disposed of. Now this ruled out Angela for
29:57
sure, and they were back to their main set aspect. Antonio Antonio,
30:02
Antonio puss in boots. They're Antonio Banderis that yeah? Said Antonio Bandaris.
30:08
Yeah. During this whole investigation, they still had not located Celia's missing a
30:14
vehicle. They do finally catch a break when they get a call saying that
30:17
it had been found in an apartment complex parking lot. When searching the vehicle,
30:22
they get the strong smell of gasoline and it seems to be most certainly
30:26
coming from the floor mat. In the back seat, they find a comforter
30:30
and two pillow cases in the trunk and it's the same material that was found
30:33
on Celia's body. Yeah, so they pretty much confirmed this is worth she
30:38
she was in that car at that gas station. Now they are out of
30:44
lead, so they released the video footage from the gas station hoping that they
30:48
can find out who this mystery woman was walking in to get gas. That's
30:55
our dog anyway, so if you guys heard of that, but he's he's
31:00
fine. It's probably Jinks attacking him. But Jinx is an asshole. So
31:06
anyway, so they're trying to figure who this mystery woman is. So a
31:07
family member of Cassandras calls in stating that they recognize the clothing and it is
31:12
old cass herself. Do no shout out the old teacher and they didn't really
31:18
think anything. The police hadn't weren't really honing in on Cassandra because, like
31:22
we said, old Antonio had multiple bitches, you know, he was he
31:26
had hose in different area player I hate the game. So that's why they
31:32
zoned in on Angela because she actually had some sort of issue with Celia.
31:37
Cass is just this. She's like, oh it's cool, he has lots
31:40
of girlfriends. I'm down with that, so they didn't even think anything about
31:44
Cassandra possibly being the person. And tell this, the friend calls in an
31:48
outcer and be like, that's her clothes, that's her, bitch's clothes.
31:49
So family member, not friend, but family. Yes, I wonder who
31:53
she'd done wrong with the family members like that's her. So now they have
31:59
Cassandra Antonio's side woman getting out of Celia's vehicle. Now they also get the
32:04
DNA test back at the same time, and they find Antonio's DNA on the
32:07
piece of tissue they found near the crime scene. So, like we said,
32:10
there was tissue in the grass that they just were like collecting everything.
32:14
Well, they get a break because there's Antonio's DNA right there. Now with
32:17
this information, they got into rest warrant for Antonio and Cassandra. Antonio and
32:23
cass are placed in separate rooms and they're confronted with the evidence that police have
32:29
found. It's not looking good either. Look, we got DNA, we
32:32
got video footage them in the car. You're in her car. Yeah,
32:37
Antonio starts blaming Cassandra immediately. Of course, I would expect nothing unless that
32:40
from Antonio. He says that Cassandra went into Celia's apartment or went to her
32:46
apartment that date and confronted her about some money that Celia owed D'Antonio. So
32:52
he's she's also like his enforced her. Yeah, he gonna go over there
32:58
and bust some knees. Yeah. Now, and Tonio says he didn't know
33:01
anything about Cassandra's plans to go over there. That day. He says,
33:06
Cassandra came back to his house and tells him that she had killed Celia.
33:10
Antonio starts crying, of course, as he's a sensitive fellow. He is,
33:15
and he tells police that he was spooked and he didn't want to hear
33:17
any more about what happened. He could not hear those grewsome details now police,
33:24
Yeah, I means, police are like, wow, this guy's crying.
33:28
He must be telling the truth. Actually, they were like, he's
33:30
really been working on himself. He's actually he's yes, yes, he's called
33:34
into better help, speaking a better help. If you need no kidding,
33:37
an, I don't pay us, pay us, Joe, go to better
33:42
help. Now. Police knew immediately that Antonio was full of shit, because
33:46
they had already attained the entrance records on Celia's apartment. Her apartment had one
33:52
of those access that was operated by a keycard, and no one had ever
33:55
entered Celia's home that day, So the murder could not have happened in her
34:00
apartment. Yeah, because nobody was there, I mean nobody went. It
34:04
would have showed the access of at least Sealia going and there if it'd been
34:07
there, nothing, no activity. Now with this information, Antonio quickly changes
34:13
this story and as far as he can do anything quickly to be honest with
34:17
the wheels are not running in no hamster might be dead up there. Now,
34:23
Antonio admits that a murder occurred at his home, so he starts walking
34:30
them through what happened that day. He says, Celia came over to his
34:34
house and Cassandra was there. Now, they got into an argument and Cassandra
34:37
actually hits Seliah over the head with a fire extinguisher, and she appeared to
34:42
be dead. I gotta appreciate his home safety with his Now he says that
34:52
he told Cassandra, well, she's dead now, those are his words.
34:55
Um. He tells them that he had nothing to do with murdering Sealia at
34:59
all. He's just over there, innocent bystander the business and she's hitting her
35:05
over there with a fire extum show. Now police aren't quite behind this,
35:07
so they speak to Cassandra. Now, like I told you, Cassandra looks
35:12
like she could be like a middle school teacher. This is not this is
35:15
not some hardcore person or anything. This is she looks like a nice She's
35:20
very like a soft spoken whenever she's in her interview, just like it seems
35:23
like a nice person that she just would not think would have anything to do
35:27
with this idiot. So she keeps not wanting to talk about what happened,
35:32
and then she finally starts crying and says, everything, everyone is going to
35:36
think bad of me. I don't know if we per se thing bad of
35:40
her, but we would definitely question her taste and men. Yes, yeah,
35:44
So she says she did not know anything about anything had happened to Celia
35:49
that day whenever Antonio called her to come over to his house. So when
35:52
she walks in and she sees Celia lying there, lifeless, she's, you
35:57
know, in shock. So Antonio says that they got into a fight and
36:02
she was going to call the police on him, so he killed her.
36:06
Now, Cassandra said she was afraid of Antonio, so she just did whatever
36:08
he said and helped wrap her up and put her in the trunk of the
36:12
car. Nikin, I can see this like she's walked into this. She's
36:15
in his house. He's just killed somebody else. She probably knows his Hell,
36:19
I'm calling the cop. Yeah, he just said he killed someone for
36:22
saying that they were going to call the cops on him for something less than
36:24
like murdering somebody. So she then after they wrapped her up and put her
36:30
in the trunk, they then drove the car, or Cassandra drove the car
36:34
to a relatives of Antonio's, where he came back to the car with a
36:37
shovel and a gas kid. They then went to the gas station and then
36:40
on where you know we see Cassandra get out on the video and then onto
36:45
that dump site. Now, Cassandra said he made her pour the gasoline and
36:49
liked the match. Cassandra said she was crying. She was very upset and
36:52
she prayed for Celia while she was doing this. And then or you know,
36:55
after they left her on fire and stuff, and then they left.
37:00
Police charge Antonio with first degree murder and Cassandra with accessory to murder. In
37:05
June of twenty twelve, police do cut a deal with Cassandra in return for
37:08
her testimonial against Antonio. She would go to jail for two years and then
37:14
be on probation for eight years. Good call on her part, Yes,
37:16
definitely turn on him now seeing the ride on the wall. Antonio also takes
37:22
a plea deal so he didn't get that death penalty because in Florida they will
37:25
kill you, yes, especially because he not only murdered somebody, he actually
37:30
you know, then he desecration of a body's hit it, all the other
37:36
things on top of them. Yeah. Now, on May third, twenty
37:38
twelve, Antonio is sentenced to forty five years in prison. So he could
37:44
get out and kill us for Collingdom. He could. It's a long,
37:46
long haul. It's gonna be a long planned I'll planning going an early release
37:50
or anything for good. They're not doing that in Florida. Now to this
37:54
day, police don't know how Celia died. I mean, I would think
37:58
that if you're going to couple plete that you'd have to how'd you do it?
38:02
No, I mean they can. I've seen it. I've seen it
38:07
go both ways like some of them the family he likes, well, we're
38:08
not making a deal unless you tell us how. And then sometimes the family's
38:12
like, I don't need to know, I just want him in prison.
38:15
A lot of that, I feel like a lot of it is up to
38:17
the family what they want to do. Well, Antonio never explained in full
38:22
what happened or really why he killed Celia. He was abusive. They believe
38:27
that it was an argument that turned physical and then escalated into murder, and
38:31
that he then strangled her. Now Antonio is currently in the Florida Department of
38:37
Corrections serving out his time. Yes, not listening to this podcast. It's
38:42
been eleven years. He's got another thirty son. God, well, we
38:45
know when we're going to die. So um, he's not smart enough to
38:51
put all this together, though, thank he's smart enough to listen to a
38:53
podcast. No, well, as friends might turn it on and be like,
38:58
dude, he doesn't have any friends. Come on, you don't think
39:00
he's a smooth talker. Look at these dumb dumes? Are these women?
39:06
You can't call them dumb dume Stewart, I mean, I don't understand sometimes
39:08
these women that well, you know what some people would say, I'm stupid
39:13
for being with you, Stewart. What probably people currently listening to this podcast
39:19
gonna write us a one story. You'd be like, I don't know how
39:21
she's with him, and then she'd be like They'll be like, no,
39:22
she's so annoying. I don't understand how he's with her, And yeah,
39:28
we're just suited for each other's that's where we're at anyways. But that's our
39:32
story. I feel really bad for the family because they came all the way
39:36
from Africa and starting this new life with their family and they finally let yeah,
39:43
they finally, you know, their daughter moves out and they didn't really
39:45
want her to move out, but she did, and then this happened.
39:47
I mean, this doesn't This isn't the I mean, I would like to
39:52
say, this isn't the norm of what happens in America. But we are
39:53
a true crime podcast, so there's a lot there's a lot of true crime.
39:58
There's a lot of things happening here in the U. But yeah,
40:00
I feel really bad for her family that they come here with all this hope
40:04
and promise for their children and their futures. And he gets mixed up on
40:07
Antonio, we fucking up over here to America. But any well, well,
40:12
this is on Antonio. That is on Antonio. So if you see
40:15
a fellow like Antonio, ladies don't date a family like a fellow like Antonio.
40:21
Yeah, that doesn't know what exclusive means. We're not asking him if
40:27
he knows what exculpatory evidence is. We just want to know if he wouldn't
40:30
knows what it means to be exclusive with a person. Yeah. So anyways,
40:35
all right, Stu, you have a y'all Need Jesus? Well,
40:37
well, of course I do. I have one every week, all right,
40:40
and this week's installment of y'all Need Jesus or Florida, not Florida.
40:47
Kara the marker bandits that's my name, asked me again. I'll see the
40:52
same gained national attention marker marker, Okay, Florida, not Florida. That's
41:04
all I get. Like, what are you talking about? Marker like markers?
41:07
Yeah, like a sharpie color, Yes, like a sharpie a permanent
41:10
mark marker bandits, gay national attention. That's all you're giving me, That's
41:15
all I'm giving you. I'm gonna go with not Florida because I don't think
41:19
anybody in Florida knows how to write, so therefore they have no reason to
41:22
steal markers. You can use markers for other things, as you will find
41:25
out, like drawing penises on bathroom doors. Okay, well that's Florida Radio
41:31
actually did that in vander Pump Rolls. I know we keep talking about that
41:35
and all that way, way, do not I keep talking about It's a
41:38
big happening right now, stud Okay Radio. Iowa October twenty nine, two
41:44
thousand and nine. A couple of young men from western Iowa who recently ran
41:49
into some trouble with the law or gaining national attention for their bizarre mug shots.
41:53
Twenty three year old Matthew McNally and twenty year old Joey Miller are accused
42:00
of trying to break into an apartment in Carol last Friday night. The occupantor
42:05
of the apartment called police and reported the men fled in a vehicle. Carol
42:08
Police Chief Jeff Kaylor says mcnellie and Miller had used permanent markers to blacken their
42:16
faces. Oh God, they drew masks and beards on their face with a
42:22
permanent marker to hide their identity while they committed crime. Why didn't they just
42:27
hold a crayon up to their like a mustache? Like a mustache. Now
42:30
it's a little weird, Kaylor said. I've been here long enough that I've
42:35
seen a lot of things, but this one's a little different compared to most.
42:38
I mean, just the face thing is what sets it apart. The
42:43
guy saw them get out of the car, so it wasn't like they were
42:45
invisible. Mcnellie and Miller were captured and their mugshots shown their faces covered in
42:52
black ink. The photos and story were quickly spreading to the Worldwide Web,
43:00
the www. This is back in two thousand. Oh okay, they were
43:05
still calling it the worldwide Kaylor says one of the suspects, but that didn't
43:10
have the word gone viral. Now there was no such thing as the viral
43:14
back when Kaylor says, one of the suspects believe the owner of the apartment
43:19
was seeing his girlfriend. Presumably it wasn't much of a burglary. Since that
43:25
we're going to have some kind of discussion for what it's worth. They appeared
43:30
to both have been drinking quite a bit and maybe weren't thinking quite rationally.
43:35
Kaylor said. Both men were trying to give him a little credit for that
43:38
one. Okay, sure, yeah, they were really drunk. I've never
43:42
gotten so drunk that I've drawn on my face and then went and tried to
43:45
rob somebody. Maybe they were supposed to have a well there was a robbery
43:50
angle and dudes like banging my girlfriend. So we're gonna go have a chat
43:54
while we dress up as like we're gonna beat him up or something on all.
43:58
Either way, I haven't done either of those things while drinking too much.
44:00
No, you've done another things drinking too much, but not that I
44:06
can attest. I can testify now. Both men were charged with attempted second
44:09
degree burglary and released after posting bond. McNelly also faces charges of drunken driving.
44:19
Kaylor says he's a received call from media outlets around the country seeking comment
44:23
on the incident now. The update was November fifth, two thousand and nine.
44:31
Carol, Iowa Associated Press. A Carroll County judge has dismissed dismissed attempted
44:38
burglary charges against two men who painted their faces with permanent black marker. Judge
44:45
Christopher Poking dismissed the chargers Wednesday against Matthew McNelly and Joey Miller. He said
44:51
there was insufficient evidence to support provacable cause that the men committed what there's no
44:58
evidence the men entered the just they got They got away with being stupid.
45:01
Well, I mean, isn't the crime enough that they probably had to deal
45:05
with that permanent market for quite some time? Well? Yeah, because it's
45:08
now twenty twenty three and from two thousand and nine we have we're fourteen years
45:14
into this and we're still yes, reading them, yes, mocking them.
45:19
It won't die. You went your original. You were the original case of
45:22
going viral. Yes, all right, so um, well think anything else?
45:28
Do you need anything else? No? I don't. Are you sure
45:30
else? Excuse me while I whipped us out? Oh god? That it's
45:39
from a movie? What movie? A movie? If you guess that movie,
45:44
you get Brownie points or Adam boys or whatever that's any of those things.
45:50
Well, you don't get in you're a host Erope, I love you
45:59
added its stunn. I called you our home. Did you just you're gonna
46:04
say you're out? Yes, just out of boy, if you don't get
46:09
anything, that's what I thought. And then you then you ended it with
46:13
stuff and I was like a host. Anyways, all right, so um,
46:19
thank you for listening and write review, subscribe on iTunes. I forgot
46:22
to mention that I think, do you think anybody's still listening to this point?
46:25
I don't know, Stuart, and then Patreon, check it out,
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everyone, say bye Stu. By stand you know it's by to be supersticious.
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