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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to him on radio train topic. Our President was a nation in Argentina,
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Dr Rabriero Mirey was president Hello. To all there is no stabilization plan,
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not good, but the backwardness to exchange rate. Here' s a
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problem of currency arrears. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the
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twenty- four thousand. Good. It' s very little motasia. There
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is already a lot of equatoria, but you are not liberal. There were
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taxes how about the province not, but if you knew one more three hundred
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sixty five times and give me three sixty s you can' t last.
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If there' s no video and there' s no one who invited me
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to be a fede your cotuco noodle. They want to know how the economy
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is going to grow, it' s going to go up like fart bus.
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But there' s no anchor. Well, because there' s no
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comprehensive plan. But you should set the path. This is not a liberal
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government because it did not release the drug. Not because today' s appreciation
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changed. I have a changing appreciation, but freedom that not little as my
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friends, very but very but very good afternoon to see lately we are not
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yet at war with Spain. I have a little trip planned and they won
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' t leave me between Madrid if you' re not. This well,
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some friend I know let him in, so if they let him in to
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Spain. Don' t want Madrid, Barcelona. He' s got to
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challenge me. This here we are in general madness, which is I to
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freedom, not madness advances and out of joke sanity. This government, which
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is the government of the era of cruelty, is also a little moon time.
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Well let' s go when Rato joins the first guests to grow up
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in that Senna Fon interrantor where Daniel Chipper I' ve made marta loja de
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route, we' ll see there' s time to be with Alejandro rosman
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Ir. There goes this contrucentinual, a day that had at least high legants
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and seven as always to preload my valentine Mauri Digital chose that every day I
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already go with it I read, but fourteen hours ago, that is cast,
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as I got up, good manuela goes down a little bit, ten,
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sixteen, eight low Maya after and that is talking about the new one
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that does not have to you the question Buenos Aires. When the case came
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Saturday, two maximum oncho, before they had two nine good hours, a
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little the maximum Sunday four better, yes, a pint for good, presito.
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It' s gonna be hard there to run We' re with a
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little bit of that. Today he did it on Sunday. Okay, let
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' s see a little with the lamatura specialist. We' re just going
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to agree to an interview with him to talk about national politics and have plenty
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of nights. Now it seems to me that to send gold bar with Don
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Juan Pablo blegu that so I do not know, but in vineyard that not.
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Casually so well has been I corrected him to pack the day in the
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Ueo in Brazil, also in Spain. Not John Paul, enemy. Good
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afternoon. How' s it going, hi, Fernando, how are you?
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All right, all right. Thank you for your taste or good,
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very late. Likewise, you were also there receiving with ambassador in Madrid.
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I am not mistaken, indeed, if the ambassador in Madrid saw in the
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golden age, what is the golden age. The golden period was the two
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hundred years, the commemoration and then Seville, the olympies in Seville and the
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truth that it was a year look to give you a data, visited 1,
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800 Argentines the embassy. Well to see I take it a little humorously
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the thing or I get depressed I really say we' re going to war,
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by saying we' re going to a humorous, because the truth that
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exclusion seems so peaceful to me. We' re about to go to war
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with Spain soon. You guys do that, it' s gonna be hard,
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because there' s the Atlantic in the way, and technology doesn'
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t go any further than that. That can make it that can now what
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we are going to enter if this escalation continues. Fernando, there is already
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a first step that was taken is the complaint and after the complaint, the
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transfer of the Spanish ambassador Madrid, which is the first step of a succession
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of steps leading to the breaking of relations of countries. What' s that
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we can go to. But you think you' re going to break up
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too. You see it' s hard, I' ve got everything left.
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Not everything is difficult. Until it happens, then let' s put
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it this way. You forgive us for interrupting. You would not rule out
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that it ends up breaking up on the part of Spain and relations on the
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part of Spain, on the part of Argentina, because the positions are.
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Parity climbed her. But, but, but, my law removed our ambassador,
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because my law is all media play. My law removed the Argentine ambassador
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to Madrid. It is not that it will not, because it is aware
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that relative power prevents it. But that can also be seen as a country
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with much less power than Argentina. He expelled the ambassador to Ecuador and then
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withdrew the issue, but the expulsion was decreed. The same happened recently with
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Colombia. The ambassador his gala was notified that he was going to be expelled
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and well, that was later resolved. What do I want to tell you?
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There is no option to rule out. What I do believe is that
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another model of foreign policy must be put forward, because this is not a
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model, and a model of foreign policy is a plan, it involves regional,
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bilateral, multilateral strategies and all this is not existing. So, if
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you meet goals, these things probably don' t happen. But, well,
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the risks are. This is what I mean, because the will.
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Yes, there is a lot to talk with you to see you have spoken
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during the crisis about these last years of democracy, diplomacy, the Bourse or
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something like the Fernández government, Well, Alberto' s government, this government
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and in terms of international alliances, for Argentina, one may have had concerns
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for a look close to Russia. Sometimes Iran to Bolivia, etcetera, etcetera.
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Now, in terms of how to cope beyond the alliances and actions of
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the international regions, there has been worse government than in this area. In
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this matter or the management of the region of the tern, because we have
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a fight with everyone, let' s say not, we fight with how
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I know I don' t know. North Korea, we fight with trading
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partners Spain, Brazil, China. Eventually we are talking about Peru, with
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all respect for Peruvians, for Frea to the North, I say, and
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not for the relationship between commercial ties. Well, if you see from North
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to South America, we have problems with Mexico, we have problems with Nicaragua,
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we have problems with Cuba, we have problems with Venezuela, we have
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problems with Colombia, we have problems with Brazil, we have problems with Paraguay
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because of the igrovia, we have problems with Bolivia because of the supply of
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gas, we have problems with Chile because of ideological hemism, and we have
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no problems with Uruguay because we aim that they could use the channel to Montevideo
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for navigation. But the subject you say is true. But this has to
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do with something different, which is fundamentally ideological, because well, this is
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the question. Mondino says it is a personal issue that is affecting relations,
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but I say they are not discussing the Minister of the Interior with the Minister
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of Labour of Spain. He is discussing, let us say between the President,
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how it is not a matter of statehood, as it is nothing more
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of personalism. I prefer what I say is an anecdote. It does not
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affect relationship and it is an issue the personal relationship that may or may not
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exist between leaders. They cannot affect relationships between societies. Well, yes,
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between countries where not. But I say how you' re talking about a
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dispute between leaders. He' s functional, both leaders. On the other
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hand, no yes, he is functional because one is in elections there and
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the other is campaigning. But I believe that the President is referring international policy
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actions to the Minister of the Interior who has to deal with the provinces,
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that is, Mondino. What you' re doing is defending your position and
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position. In saying that, because those responsible for foreign policy, by the
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provision of the Constitution and the President is the TV External Relations, he says
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he has put it on the court with francs from the Minister of the Interior.
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Of course, then this whole thing has gone off track because there'
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s no way to control it. They then oppose a plan and set foreign
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policy objectives, make them public and put them in order. Or this is
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going to go on. My feeling is that Miley has a project that transcends
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the borders of countries and he wants to establish the libertarian principle around the world.
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He says it, the King of freedom said it, he is the
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god of world freedom. He just did good, but that' s what
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he says. Then someone has to trust them. You have to explain to
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him that the world doesn' t work, how it works. He listens
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to us, John Paul, no one listens to us. You think my
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law will listen. Is someone trusting you on the throne looking and val going
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to put it home? See if I don' t say put it in
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a box, but people have to think about it. My political experience is
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that presidents, ministers, officials, ambassadors, generals, when there is a
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willingness of their advisers and their collaborators, often take into account what they think.
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And a good President is the one who takes the most into account the
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valuable things of his collaborators. I am confident that that will happen at some
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point. I am the greatest exponent of freedom worldwide. I' m in
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another life. He told you about libutero, he dumped you again against the
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Argentine political class where I' m going generates an earthquake. So go ahead,
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you just had an earthquake. All these activities know what that already left
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you? I' ll leave you? They are these activities of Juan Pablo,
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in fusion of a positioning, it seems that Miley' s personal position
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as leader of hyperglobal or interplanetary freedom with the interests of Argentina is dissociated.
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Not because the interest of Argentina, for my law, is to do all
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this international campaign so that the Argentine people vote it in the mid- term
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elections and with validity their parliamentary lack. This is a communicational strategy forming,
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but it is a correct strategy. It seems to me that not only is
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it not correct, but it is risky. Good for that. Because of
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this, that' s why it was clear and well, I would never
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use this. This is true, this is what you say. He'
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s right, well, I' m saying it in every way. What
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I' m saying to you, yes, yes, yes. I have
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read an idea table for you this last trip of Milaya, to which was
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added a healthy meeting with the entrepreneurs forty- eight hours before leaving so in
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a hurry. This was a private trip where I presented a book, I
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had the Convention from the Right to Voice and other European international. Or it
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was a state trip. Let us say the journeys of diplomacy and the protombolism
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of States. There are three types of travel, official travel, state travel
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and pasted travel. This is a private trip because he had no contact with
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any official authority and saw to use the presidential plane. Sorry. He must
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have used the presidential plane for a private trip. Okay. There you go.
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There, you have to be safe. There are arguments in favor of
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and against the bostos, they pay them in the Argentine people with yours the
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libertarians would say. Yes, that' s how it is with yours,
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but what I wanted to convey to you, Fernando, is a higher principle
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that transcends borders, transcending the political boundaries of other countries, because Miley did
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the same when he went to ask for a future Trump victory in a country
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where the government still dances. So the borders for this don' t exist
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as much as sublimated. We are technological means to name it. I tell
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you one listens to arguments that look like facenews or seem like a four-
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year- old baby. I mean to be interpreted to put in four years.
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They say Pedro Sánchez had me in foreign affairs management when he promoted the
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mass vote as a moon. I like it between comics, of course,
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but I don' t like it so much that I promoted the boot kills.
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All right, let' s put that review on. What you'
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re going to say. Trump doesn' t promote voting for my law.
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It doesn' t promote Trump' s vote. And that' s why
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I' m clear. No. That is why transgression, illusion, insult,
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aggression are factors that have incorporated into politics through technological means. So all
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that is said and written does not translate into practice. So it' s
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all We' re in the iccloud of politics. Now I say Pedro Sanctes
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' s interference in Argentine elector. Lula agreed to interfere with my law in
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the US electricity, as he demonstrated in favor of Trump. Now I say
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let' s get him on Trump. You have a strategic bet. That
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bet Trump wins, which has a better relationship to the Monetary Fund that the
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United States gave us is the treasure with funds let' s put them a
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strategic bet, but here with Spain there is no strategy bet, except that
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we said of him to be the intergalactic leader. But I repeat that more,
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it is a personal position than a position in favor of the interests of
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the country of Argentina. It is that the positioning of Mila and from the
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Theatre to the Presidency, is an individual positioning. It' s not a
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positional. That is why he has a minority party, which is why he
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has very few senators, which is why he has very few deputies and,
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on the other hand, the soon positioning of the theater was one. When
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I was a candidate. You' re President of Argentina, Juan Pablo.
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Tal. That' s what I think I' ve written, that'
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s how it is. I agree with you, but that dissociation is not
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in it. He works both distances permanently. So, well, we have
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to live with this situation and the boundaries there are. They are put abroad
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and here, in Argentina, they must be put by Parliament. I say
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to watch infoba at this hour. Well, start looking for journalism titles,
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I don' t know how to roll, but I' ll put it
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to the question. I didn' t really have it. The government of
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Sánchez de España can declare my like persona no grata and prevent his visit again
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a right- wing redoubt for an award, as he is traveling to the
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United States. He thinks he' s good. You told me everything can
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happen. I say you see likely or I would rule out that I see
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it in Spanish. The kind of cheap person or prevent you from visiting Spain
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soon in June. If I' m not mistaken. It' s inside
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the faculties. Yes, of course, you can' t. There were
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faculties. Yeah, but those are the books, I mean, but political
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practice, you think this can happen. Or it' ll climb. I
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mean, Miley, far from climbing, because he could have retweeted and stayed
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there. He came to Buenos Aires. He saw a report by a friend
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of González John Ideal yesterday and threw centers at him. He kept killing Sanchez.
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Today he continued with Antonio Laje, another who threw him center of another
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colleague who throws him center. He tried to be a coward. I tell
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you, milake Tinge is a machine gun that goes on and it' s
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not that I say well, I already said mine. We came back to
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each other, but that' s where he' s looking for you.
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That' s what I' m putting on backwards. I think he'
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s looking to be declared a person not pleased. Probably like this, not
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everything' s good. It' s interesting. Yes, yes, he
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raises the bet and acquires more worldwide resonance. An Argentine President who cannot enter
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Spain, for example. That' s right, that' s right,
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and that gives rating because it calls him king, but I think it'
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s rating you' re looking for, that it' s global. You
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say that this rating also applies to Argentina to have more rallying, more votes
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in Argentina. Let' s say as that the music, the realization of
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its figure. He believes that this is going to translate into an avalanche of
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votes in Argentina and you would say no. You say yes, I haven
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' t voted yet. So when you do. I' ll tell him
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and when it' s the election, we' ll be told. I
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want to see another talk Dad, I talk proca, I talk as a
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strategy. So bad are the Argentines there what happened that came before you also
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terrible. And that' s where it comes from people, people, people
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in the queue, people in the garden. Nobody stops her talking about the
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three internationals, but I say the madness of the President to whom he can
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start talking about the President' s head. Well, that' s still
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in diapers. She' s still in diapers. What I believe, Fernando,
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is that there is an understanding of how power and politics are built It
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is totally different from traditional mechanisms and here between poverty and ignorance. This still
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has a lot of room, because finally seeing a world champion is more important
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than having Argentina united, supportive and growing. This is what I think.
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Then you notice that like what is the order of values that society today has.
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And, well, we' ve had governments with officials who' ve
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been prosecuted for corruption for years. We' ve had everything. If anything
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you' re doing right at Miley' s, it' s uncovering some
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cloves. I think that' s okay, I hope that from the stump
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of these sewers the product won' t be filled in other sewers. I
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think there are things like that, but how is this senate of other madmen.
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Of course, you can highlight here that you have these own places and
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fill others. Ah well, the very same ones then I think that all
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that people are watching and this has to do with internal politics, because what
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if you talk about quisnerismo as you diplomad it the bartola and then this one
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that is even makes you say well, I say that Fernández was the diplomacy
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washing and law is diplomacy to extravagance, almost diplomatic. It seems to me
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that a diplomat looked for the meaning of the word and if she will understand
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it, why extravagance is the implausible and what this has is the implausible.
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Which is probably the least aggressive word, but you' re looking for synonyms
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of extravagant and you' re going to understand what I mean. Yes,
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yes, good to see being exfectively peculiar, or original, rare, strange,
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eccentric, bizarre, bizarre, grotesque, painters already found it. Tell
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you about the Internet here. He covered it, which is all totally deep,
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totally so that I think I have for my training, respect for people.
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I discuss ideas well, the last one. You have a look.
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I spoke critically the look who is, who wants to be closer to the
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shares, no, but good to Russia and Great Venezuela, Bolivia, etcetera,
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etcetera. You and I are going to be on something, not agree
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but you have a more western look at America and so on. I suppose
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now correct the overaction, the almost relaunching of carnal relations with the United States,
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especially with Israel, that bring us back to this are again re-
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fashioning that it is the nineties. How he looks at them critically. You
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think it' s natural. In comparison everyone has questioned it to neteniajo not
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Israel. However, Miley too will also bring something more to the look.
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I was Middle' s ambassador, so I can. I can also speak
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to Megan Benn' s foreign policy at all. It has to do with
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Miley in international politics. Why, because I would have a relationship with the
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United States, the carnal relationship thing. That' s an invention from his
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chancellor, who let him run well. He had relations with Cuba, he
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had relations with Fidel, he had relations with the opposites, but there was
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always a red line that did not cross. Then I believe that the difference
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between my law and Milal cut the map with a scissors and stayed with two
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countries in its international design, with the United States and Israel, that neither
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Israel nor the United States have such a slim design. Here' s what
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I say. A lack of planning, of a foreign policy for a country
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in need of resources, in need of order and in need of rational international
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unification. This is what I think, Juan Pablo, thank you very much,
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not thanks to you, Fernández. We' re still in touch.
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Juan Pablo Olee hugged here in plural construction, nothing very well known part of
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international matter, as we lived before Loea in the nineties, also with the
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Hitners in Madrid, in Brazil, Well, etcetera, etcetera, etc.
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What saw the pause that already awaits us, neither Hipper will see where we
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will meet reality with Daniel, a pause fourteen degrees, as I said very
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little. There has been practically nothing ampliciphermic, because in the morning people and
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peak as I say when I get up early there is 13th day and that
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good there was not much change. The mission police protest adds up to more
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sectors and teachers cut National Route 12. This is also a problem for my
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law and say some of this. Some of my levista told me that it
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is a provincial issue and of course, if you are from a province,
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you can find yourself sitting, about twelve and all are providential issues. No,
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but, well, Chancellor Mondino told it the testin with the law I
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' m saying the titles of Pobae averaging the afternoon of fourteen twenty- five.
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He talked about Cristis with Spain, about criticism with Spain. These are
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anecdotes. Doesn' t that affect Blah relationship? Bla? Bla? The
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blues continues to climb one thousand two twenty- five to up eighty pesos in
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two or three days ub almost four percent. Today the thirteen taxes Miley wants
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to lower when economic activity rebounds. It is so if the Bancherros, so
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that one now I tell you imposed country was one of them. Today he
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' s physically dependent on your country. Of course, the government of Sánchez,
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which recently pays to read it, can declare the thousands of people the
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time to prevent their interesting visit what they read. Perhaps you are looking for
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this in order to have more international relevance this millay that does not allow you
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to enter Spain. And anything is possible within the framework of the era of
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cruelty and madness led by President liber Patto, the Spanish government definitively withdrew was
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ambassador to Spain. These titles in an early manner and for the conflict I
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recommend a good lawyer to Sanchez' s wife. This madness is total and
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with a context where, indeed, there was aggression, this my law that
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was drugged from a minister who say that I suppose the ter does the dirty
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work in media terms of Yanchez, Pedro Sanchez Ultier back. Now one cannot
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compare climbing in an act of the European neo- fascist right, talking about
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a President, talking about his wife, lying in the interview he gave him
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with the centers that do not correct it, but the word all the time
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John and vials and I say to them are shameless others. They were ashamed
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of others in the time of the Dinerist, the Wild Tasters. They bend
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them with verse that passed from the liberal to the quinerist. The Roberto Navarros
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are ashamed today. Jonathan Vials, the Symans, the links this morning as
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they throw centers at him. The president doesn' t have anything to do
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with the interview or talk to them. I' m talking about a fourth
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- level mercenary, as Trebux says, who led the nation plus the President
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in finu saying that there are many open cars that before have our corruption the
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same, that is, inventing incredible things. The truth affects the kingdom of
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family and friends. All right, all right. Here we are, Don
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Daniel kepperme friend. Good afternoon, how' s good afternoon, Fernando,
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how good you are here in the Kingdom of cruelty and madness. Wherever you
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want. I was listening to the interesting note you made to John Paul Lole,
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at least the final part. It seems to me that, obviously,
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he has a long diplomatic career. I did not, but he has given
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you diplomatic answers and I will try to give you some more aggressor answers to
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explain at least my vision of this conflict with Spain. You asked Juan Pablo
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if it was an official or private trip, and he answered correctly that it
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was a private trip, but he would limit it with consequences at the official
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level, at the state level, because this has caused one of the most
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severe measures that countries usually take when there are diplomatic conflicts, which is the
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withdrawal of his own ambassador, as has happened with the convening of the Great
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Ambassador of Spain in Argentina. And, in a way, diplomatic relations between
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two countries are like a marriage to marry. The consent of both is required,
29:57
but the break- up is unilateral and when diplomatic relations are normally broken
30:03
up. There are different factors that lead us to this type of situation that
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normally one of the most determining factors in the interference in the internal affairs of
30:18
the other country. This is often marked by many diplomats, by many experts
30:22
in the field as one of the most expendable elements for taking such measures.
30:30
These measures are usually staggered. They are not adopted staggered and progressive and here
30:40
we see that we are almost in one of the most serious measures, which
30:44
is in the summons to the ambassador himself, which can occur after the expulsion
30:51
of diplomats, the expulsion of the Argentine ambassador to Spain, rather than the
31:00
declaration of persons, are not the measures that the countries sound to take.
31:03
And this is not regulated by any legislation, because if there were international conventions,
31:11
I prefer the Vienna Convention of one thousand nineties sixty- one and combé
31:15
and the diplomatic relations of one thousand nine hundred sixty- three, except the
31:19
protection of property in the State in the event of a breakdown of relations,
31:26
if there is little regulation in the matter. But if there are uses and
31:30
customs that show us that progressive actions and spasm are being taken, it could
31:36
be, for example, an expulsion from the Argentine Embassy of Spain. Or,
31:37
well, if you answer me as you read it, everything can happen,
31:41
it kills me, but growing up could happen. It is that we
31:45
are seeing that this break with Spain is growing, because the President of Argentina,
31:53
Javier Milay, has redoubled the bets with your last statements, instead of
32:00
calling towards silence of what I said and talking about the issues that concern us
32:04
Argentines, which obviously is not the situation of Spain or of the woman of
32:09
Pedro Sánchez in Begonia Gómez, but that we worry about the poverty structure that
32:15
we have been dragging for many years and that has been announced in a notorious
32:22
way in these months of term of office of Javier Milay. It makes us
32:25
a different kind of argument that there' s an operative out there that I
32:29
' ve been asking about milk, the transfers. There is always a distracting
32:31
operative all this, as you say the realms of the NW faith networks talk
32:36
about this rather than talking about it. The BUCA already writes it in the
32:37
fifty- five percent poverty we have structural, but, as you say,
32:40
for years, I think it has grown these months. There is some of
32:43
that, too, he hears, in my opinion, is part of the
32:47
communicational strategy that Javier Milay has carried through all this time. No yes,
32:52
since they have always appeared in the political world without there were no concrete proposals
32:59
of Javier but in criticisms of his adversaries, many of them founded, perhaps,
33:06
but the concrete proposals we are knowing from December 10 last year and that
33:13
I believe that people would not have voted for this type of economic policies,
33:19
which is to affect retirees, affect the worker to restrict rights. Well,
33:27
he' s doing it in the international field, too. The question I
33:30
would perhaps ask myself is similar and with this kind of attitude, it is
33:38
the leader of a right- wing expression worldwide or it is being used by
33:45
another to mark certain positions and be sacrificed later. It' s not worse
33:51
than those others. Well, at the concert there are many global interests that
34:00
often use certain characters to assume certain roles, put their face to face with
34:07
a given situation. We are talking about big corporations, for example, from
34:13
big corporations to the interests of some other state. If it seems to me
34:20
that Mila Fulla here is being used, why is she not going to transform
34:23
into a world leader shouting hatred, but shaking concord, a world leader who
34:35
unites the people who separate her. It is true that temporarily some prophets of
34:42
hatred have succeeded, but in the long run failing to cite examples, history
34:50
shows us since the 20th century a Mussolin is a hitter sowed hatred and today
34:55
they are remembered as what they were the murderers. No, I don'
35:01
t. Now there is the whole phenomenon of networks, not also much of
35:07
youth, because much of the vote of my law comes from the juto and
35:10
this is also a genomenon of the far right European global. There are permenable
35:15
new tools, new ones, as has much to do with networks. No,
35:17
for example, in all this there are foreign growths. Those ideas.
35:22
Well, yes, obviously, all the speed of communication has increased in a
35:28
remarkable way. Before to find out about news of this type where they lived
35:35
months or days or weeks, according to the time today is all instantaneous.
35:38
The statements of a world leader in another State in distant lands are not transmitted
35:45
live. And in what Maillan has said he arrived in Argentina. He also
35:52
arrived at the Government in Spain very quickly and then has diplomatic consequences. Yes,
35:58
the ambassador withdrew from increasing this tension between the two countries. I also
36:04
think it can happen and Argentina has a lot to lose because Spain buys us
36:09
products that Argentine entrepreneurs need to sell. Note that one of the products that
36:16
law that buys Spain in Argentina are soy palms. China also buys soy in
36:22
Argentina and meleiap is fighting with China. On the one hand, with Spain.
36:30
Now with Brazil, well, our top marks and I talked about it
36:35
with len don' t fight I said it without merit for South Korea,
36:37
go north to Peru. There is no fight with North Korea, from Peru
36:40
to the South, fighting with our main cordial partners, from Brazil to China
36:45
and from there to Spain. In addition, suppliers are always susceptible to being
36:52
replaced. This is totally replaced. Yeah, yeah, now there' s
36:55
a strategy. He reads it to see let' s stay read you said
37:00
very interesting the talk and he is a specialist in the matter. In international
37:01
relations, it' s better to be political. He also said this of
37:05
being in search, of being the leading character and doing it said to me
37:08
I could not believe it, but and almost intergalactic, let' s say,
37:13
it is a strategy that seeks me to settle in the world and believes
37:15
that this too will capitalize on it. He doesn' t care much in
37:20
Argentina. Argentina, in the long run, cares about its business, its
37:22
books, its talks, which it will be able to sell abroad after a
37:25
presidential period for two, that is, why it plays a thousand, because
37:29
we are clear. I think he must be clear that something can harm our
37:31
business ties. Since you' re doing well to put forward the strategy,
37:37
what' s the idea behind it. Or there' s not much rational
37:40
in this either. Let' s see him. The lyrics answered clearly.
37:46
He told you he was exoptic in glés politics. Yes. I can'
37:55
t find a rational explanation for the offense or the unnecessary gratuitous insult. And
38:02
with a country like Spain, with which we have always had bonds of brotherhood
38:07
and friendship, then I do not seek rationality. I think Miley is not
38:16
thinking about the well- being of the Argentine people, because even he has
38:22
said it by distinguishing in the Argentine people the Argentines of Vienna, affirming to
38:30
the contrary that there are Argentines of evil then he governs for a sector that
38:37
was an indefinite idea in the campaign, who were the Argentines of come very
38:44
much we see that they are the Argentines rich of big companies with great interests,
38:51
to whom he defends and the others, the working people, the fools
38:55
via. But that is often the same with Matrixcito for this reason and I
39:00
agree, for the part, with the reading, but I say, it
39:01
is more complex, because he will dedicate you only to the rich to the
39:05
age. After the elections, for example, the legislative year that comes to
39:07
take out twenty percent of the votes and he will want to have fifty percent.
39:10
Let' s say well, it doesn' t maybe do that political
39:15
reading. We will see that, indeed saying he is believing, that polls
39:21
do not favor him and the truth in me is not a surveyer. I
39:29
can consult my group of friends. It' s arrived and I don'
39:34
t find the politics of me and that thrower has chicken God if you want,
39:37
if you want to move it to the Chamber. Let me finish in
39:39
all the country, but it has support and a lot in the interior of
39:43
the country and many that will end the neither do we deny that. Yes,
39:45
yes, it even classifies those who voted for it, because there are
39:50
many replottes of those who have voted for and for their policy. And when
39:54
you start getting the light bills, we feel it all to the silver issues.
40:01
Thanking you has a complex fool and at a time when we see a
40:07
very acute internal conflict like the one that is unfolding in missions at this moment
40:13
that the President is worried about Pedro Sánchez' s wife, but for the
40:20
Argentine citizen, also marks an orientation of his management forgiveness. When he says
40:29
I have spoken to spokespersons good freedom. It' s a province issue.
40:32
This is a betrothal and a proviso. Let' s hope he didn'
40:36
t land two. It' s a province issue, you don' t
40:37
have to pay any cost. National Government. In my opinion, it will
40:43
pay a cost, because the issue of the province is the level of salary,
40:46
but the level of bills is a national issue. The increase in basic
40:52
services of the national government. So, this cube escalation, that of buns
41:00
that there were, etc, is part of the economic policy of the national
41:05
government. Then I think there will be a deterioration in the short term,
41:09
perhaps with a campaign through and with the journalists that you friends, that has
41:15
the government that you amend yourself based on something. I don' t know
41:19
what to convince a sector that it needs more time to get goods late everyone,
41:25
but everything has short legs. It seems to me to be a question
41:34
that I said it almost clearly today, and I share it in Buenamedia,
41:37
but there is little talk of this. Well, you don' t talk
41:38
in the air about microphones. Let' s just say about and ernesto we
41:44
have that it' s pretty much agreed with him. I have my criticism,
41:45
but I say he doubted mental health. Let' s put it this
41:47
way diplomatically. I doubt the President' s mental health. It can be
41:52
provided. There' s something you can do about this. If any look
41:53
you in particular or see I say is all skillful staging strategies. Or this
42:02
good man' s shambles. Next thing you know, we' ll talk
42:06
to you. Not good. That' s a question for a psychologist,
42:09
a psychiatrist. No, well, he doesn' t have a psychologist.
42:13
We have p clear they feel it. You don' t want to give,
42:16
not for a lawyer. As a lawyer, I observe that you have
42:22
to use them for political trial. There are causes, there are causes established
42:27
in the national Constitution. In the national Constitution, and one of these causes
42:31
is poor performance, which is what is known as a subjective cause. Well,
42:37
the political judgment, in fact, subjective not in other words, is
42:40
TiVo. You don' t have to have proof. It is the deputies
42:45
in accusing and the senators to judge, who will determine if there is a
42:50
good performance. It certainly takes two thirds of the Members' vote and I
42:54
do not know if it is. As a result, no, but in
43:00
other words, this type of attitude can be described by a sector as poor
43:07
performance. Even there are already requests for political judgment for the reason of poor
43:12
performance, even before this last trip to Spain, with the diplomatic consequences that
43:19
the possible rupture has. I say possible because we are practically a step away
43:28
from diplomatic relations in Spain. Spain has already withdrawn as ambassador. Much more
43:31
is not left here. Yeah, well, what we were saying. We
43:36
are neither two specialists in international relations, but we are, as you said,
43:39
expulsion. I don' t think he' ll take that step for
43:44
now, except that he' ll follow me as long as he follows.
43:45
The expulsion of the Argentine ambassador from Madrid is a pleasant person, a ban
43:50
on entry to a Head of State, in this case family and to Spain,
43:52
and that has to go the one who comes and who has just arrived
43:54
an informative notification. Once again, it ratifies my law going to Spain,
43:59
which comes to receive an award between the Right Culta Group and others yes,
44:04
yes, to see if Milay continues to scale up my law scale. The
44:07
problem is this not again, a subject that we do not dominate. It
44:10
is not new in its has me limit, it has no limits and the
44:19
rices already left Daniel, but my law scale declaratively does not scale in what
44:23
in fact we go a little to the law of today I, because,
44:27
for example, he does not replicate and remove us the Argentine ambassador nor called
44:30
it. Nor did she call her to consult the Spanish ambassador in Buenos Aires.
44:35
Nor does the Argentine ambassador of Madrid take out, provisionally or definitively,
44:38
as or this morning happened with the Spanish ambassador in Buenos Aires. I mean,
44:43
my law doesn' t make decisions. The rupture is declarative of my
44:46
lepe or of it is not of right to see If I explain, from
44:51
entering in legal terms, that is his mestis of his fort from the political
44:53
point of view diplomatic, I understand what symbol of weakness is aware, although
45:01
he has generated this situation, that the rupture of diplomatic relations would be key
45:09
for him and for Argentina, then it remains in the hostile statement but they
45:16
do not go. Spain, on the other hand, moved forward because it
45:25
feels lauded by the President' s hostility and has a strong position in relation
45:32
to Argentina. We are more in need of good relations with Spain than Spain
45:38
in maintaining relations with Argentina. And we must not forget the silver, something
45:44
of Lisbon, that in torregir on the old continent, which can also lead
45:52
to accessions to the position of Spain. I believe that remind me that it
46:00
transforms the European Economic Community into the European Union and establishes links between European countries
46:07
and obligations between European countries. Obviously, I am not saying that it will
46:14
break you all over Europe, but we could also move in that direction.
46:21
But it seems to me that the failure to redouble the implementation of concrete measures
46:28
on the part of the Argentine State is a symptom of weakness and strength.
46:35
You note that in other cases where similar conflicts have arisen, the one that
46:40
does not take action is the weakest state, the strongest always takes action.
46:46
America. If that sound, this fleet has to send it. Don'
46:52
t hesitate on that arlo. Now we can' t send him into America
46:58
' s frigate freedom. No, no, but it was said. That
47:00
' s the particularity of this so eccentric character, that is, he declaratively
47:05
raises the door of his bet now organically or in law, if we want
47:08
to see it this way, not against. She didn' t return the
47:12
pawn for a pawn and didn' t take out the ambassador, she didn
47:15
' t even call the Argentine ambassador in Spain. That' s what I
47:16
mean. That' s also why with the complexity it has, because it
47:21
declaratively climbs up last night with its ona so viale today morning with the servilaje.
47:24
So let' s say. But of course, but leave it,
47:29
yes, look at the following in good world chess once you see them from
47:32
players, do the exact opposite. Move the pieces, clear in and say
47:39
soft words, totally, totally, yes, yes, they have for blas.
47:45
Yes, yes, and the facts are the ones that speak for them.
47:47
Sure, sure. Okay. That is why I say the complexity of
47:51
these, because one can say Argentin climbed not because, for example, he
47:55
did not reply, he did not pawn by peonyl. They represent him in
47:59
Madrid. Go on, but with the statements how he called us a coward,
48:02
I don' t know how many. Cotigo. Okay. That'
48:06
s why I' m telling you, I don' t think he'
48:10
s leading movement worldwide, Javier Millay, because he' s not leading himself.
48:14
It is led through, in fact, concrete tempts. Yeah, that
48:17
' s what' s missing here. Yes, Daniel, always, thank
48:24
you very much. E uno, Fernando, Abrazo, big Daniel Quipper,
48:28
here, our columnist, our partner in construction. How we are dealing with
48:34
this issue. But I say this I' m a symptom. It'
48:36
s not the subject of Spain. Pedro Sánchez, with the mistakes also with
48:39
what one can mark of the government of Spain, that does not justify.
48:42
I see colleagues also not as helpful as those I mentioned, but I don
48:47
' t know how it isn' t made lukewarm that then you have to
48:50
beat Pedro Sanchez to justify that my law beats my law, but to justify
48:53
you also have to equate and say no. But Peter San is fine and
48:57
they have told him Facciista a thousand good. I think what you say is
49:00
not even a very particular characterization. But I say the facts and I say
49:08
it is not the same for a minister to speak ill of Milay, who
49:13
is ill Spanish, who is Pedro de Arte. I don' t love
49:15
him either, but don' t censor this. How that my vast law
49:19
David Hia private and I estimate with private Lonia, with yours, with your
49:22
money, with the money of the citizens who like to speak so much to
49:24
librapachos, trolls and all this. And after I grab her with the women
49:32
of a political leader with any, there is no prosecution and you have any
49:37
defective effect of a Spanish justice. Well, if I caught them known Pinto,
49:44
I tell you one thing, it' s one thing and another thing
49:45
is another say, it' s one thing I now insult my journalistic producer,
49:52
that another thing is that the journalistic producer comes and burns my house.
49:53
Well, it' s not the same. Obviously, that there' s
49:57
a Mastro context, it' s not the same. You' re gonna
50:00
grab him with a woman. She has everything from a thousand of the women
50:01
of Maria Laura santi Jan as wife of Pontebequia to the scene the legislator who
50:08
voted against and who was the couple from ordano the wife is of ordano in
50:14
which you give I said that for that reason I believe that of course women
50:16
nothing the role of the woman was judged, they are escorts of the men.
50:22
Well soda the whole thing, as homosexuality attacks him, so many things
50:24
of this age, of the cruelty and madness that we have to live with
50:29
Miley as symptoms, also social and my law, as the Kisners or as
50:34
you most believe, did not come down from a flying dish of neither Box
50:36
in Spain. It has to do with symptoms as well. It has to
50:38
do with issues that society makes them throw these characters Hitler himself, saving the
50:44
distance. Well, messiah, Robert, we' re putting on an audio
50:47
from Rome. If Juan' s okay with it and we say goodbye to
50:51
one of the two Rockman audios of the week tomorrow how we' re still
50:52
here. We' re interviewing economist Daniel Marx. At 16 hours later,
50:57
our columinist liked Ferraril Wolfelson. On Thursday we will be doing so with our
51:00
columnist of economic matter, also of ticor. We said goodbye then now with
51:05
a first audio. I don' t know if one comes in, one
51:07
hundred and two. I don' t know how long John had consented to
51:12
him. I don' t know if he even answered me to see yes,
51:14
I' m sorry. I hadn' t read it to see others
51:15
first. Well, we go in, then we get the two of us
51:19
in quickly and, if we don' t cut a little bit, the
51:21
last one goes with the two Rockman audios. Thank you I' ll see
51:22
you tomorrow at 4: 00. Thank you, Juan Hi How are you
51:25
doing? Alejandro Roffman speaks to them, as every week for more than ten
51:30
years, exposing his opinion already opened the economic and social dismovement of dates to
51:39
teeth. So dynamic is the reality that surrounds us so changing in contrast to
51:45
what happened in previous years. When you decide to take information and comments from
51:53
just a week, which is a chiglo because there is a lot of data,
51:59
you will be aware of the productive development profile and the social problems of
52:05
Argentina. There I just have, that is, just one speaks in a
52:12
week of the data available the next one you can change the focus, but
52:17
more than anything, at this point, accentuate the negative aspects that they offer
52:24
in that week Perhaps the most important thing in this regard is the information provided
52:34
by the Digela University. Private university with high costs for the jursado of subjects
52:38
and careers, which means a middle class public up and for nothing at all
52:45
ideas that can link it with the previous government. I am counting on the
52:57
study carried out on a permanent basis by economists of that University regarding the evolution
53:06
of key social data in order to understand what happens in contemporary Argentina as a
53:14
result of the economic policy applied by the current Government. There, for example,
53:19
the data of income poverty, which carries it almost simultaneously with the phenomena
53:24
that give rise to it, shows that in the first quarter of that year,
53:30
poverty in Argentina reached fifty- five percent, but indignity towards those inhabitants
53:37
of the country whose income does not reach it to eat the same amount needed
53:45
for survival eighteen percent. In the first case, there are approximately twenty-
53:55
five million people out of the forty- seven, according to the census of
54:01
the last and the indicent, about eight million people. The fact that River
54:10
is awful, because talking about eight million human beings living with us daily in
54:16
that country and not enough to eat is a sign of fundamental social deterioration.
54:25
I would say it marks forever the profile of Miley' s government policy.
54:34
He has no excuse to assign it to another administration, because it is the
54:39
income of the population for three months within his government. We go back to
54:49
make a comparison. In the year two thousand twenty- three, in the
54:53
first quarter, in the government of Alberto Fernández, poverty, according to the
54:59
University of Iceda, had reached thirty- eight percent of the population, that
55:02
is, it increased seventeen percentage points, that is, it increased by about
55:07
forty- five percent. A disaster, a change of profile for evil only
55:15
has a history in the very short initial period of the pandemic, when all
55:22
activities had to be closed by calling the contagion or the bacle of the two
55:28
thousand one two thousand two, of which only a part of the population kept
55:31
memory. There are millions who did not live that moment and do not know
55:38
the enormous social deprivation that was achieved with rates very similar to what I am
55:45
exposing for the first semester of this year and that we go further back still
55:52
according to the podcast, the system of determining poverty indices. It is July
56:00
of the two thousand twenty- one, already with the most negative effect of
56:05
the pandemic. Overtaken, poverty would have reached thirty- five percent, that
56:09
is, twenty points less than now, where there is neither a pandemic nor
56:15
any period of difficulties in collective coexistence. It is a lapidary fact that deprives
56:24
us of comments, because if we made them depth, they would be dramatic.
56:30
It is very important what adds to the University of Téira. He says
56:34
that in the last three months, the poor increased from thirty- eight,
56:38
as I said before, to forty- six pardons of the last data,
56:47
the third quarter of last year, when the government of Alberto Fernández closed practically.
56:53
By the way, in these last three months of more than a million
56:57
poor people per month or, that is, there are three and a half
57:01
million poorer in Argentina in these first three months than related last year. That
57:08
somehow marks a fact that' s really the pingel. Me. In the
57:16
two thousand twenty- three, in the first quarter, the basic food basket
57:24
was covered by eighty- one percent for the minimum wage. In this first
57:29
quarter, that dropped to fifty- three. Same minimum. Just cover that
57:34
percentage. Are we going to continue with this data? As I was saying,
57:44
let' s continue with this data by accounting for the factors that basically
57:52
produce this sharp and dramatic social deterioration and that doesn' t deserve much comment.
58:00
It is a question of putting the numbers on the dent and then judging
58:04
in which world we live or in which country we live. A fundamental factor,
58:09
of course, that the prices of the goods that serve for sufficiency in
58:14
Argentina joins in indecency, believed in the section that we are talking about between
58:22
December last April of that year, in these four months one hundred and nine
58:28
percent, again that a spectacular figure caused by the devaluation imposed on December 13,
58:37
the new government without needing any kind of provoke it. At that time,
58:44
there was no factor that required devaluing in that magnitude. So it is
58:50
that in November last year, the International Monetary Fund made a prediction of what
58:55
inflation was going to be in Argentina in the two thousand twenty- four,
59:00
that is, just two months before the beginning of the year, The mother
59:05
institution of all of the world' s financial dynamics predicted in Argentina inflation was
59:15
going to be all two thousand twenty- four. Seventy percent in monkey,
59:20
such three hundred and nine out of only four months marks the profound distortion that
59:25
caused the population' s ability to sub- fist the new economic policy.
59:31
What happened to the first three months of other recent moments in the Argentine life
59:42
of the Argentine Society to compare them to Miley' s one hundred and nine
59:45
percent. Let' s say the figures at the first moment of Macri'
59:58
s presidency, December of two thousand fifteen April of two thousand sixteen, after
1:00:01
a strong devaluation that he also imposed. Inflation was twenty- four percent,
1:00:07
i e that of Glay almost six times that of Macre. If we go
1:00:13
a little further back. Inflation in the first quarter of first quarter December two
1:00:21
thousand fourteen April two thousand fifteen, still in Christina Fernández' s last government,
1:00:27
was nine percent, that is twelve times less than Miley' s and
1:00:31
Alberto Fernández' s inflation in the same first quarter of his government before the
1:00:38
dramatic start of the 13 percent pandemic, eight times less than that of milay
1:00:45
in synthesis in terms of the inflationary factor that occurred in the first four months
1:00:54
of the last three governments. The current one is the worst of all.
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From afar and notice what happened with the salt marsh the minimum serary of the
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first trimester of the two thousand and twenty- three. The government of Alferdo
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Fernández covered eighty percent of the basic food basket, either allowing its recipients to
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get minimum lightning to buy goods to feed themselves in eighty percent of the minimum
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necessary to survive. In the first quarter of this year, that percentage fell
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to fifty- three percent, that is, the minimum wage resolved to be
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a value with much lower purchasing power of the time of Alberto Fernández. Another
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key fact is that today' s economic policy is harshly criss- crossing and
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showing that it is totally false what the current top government authorities are usually talking
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about paying the price and a very harmful inheritance in no way. I wish
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we had the inheritance of the year two thousand twenty- three. This clearly
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indicates to us that we are on a very sharp slope of social deterioration.
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It is urgent to reverse it in the face of serious damage to the future
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of our society, given that a very high percentage of the population either feeds
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inadequately or does not have the resources to have a dignified life. The current
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economic policy has already been described as bad because the data produced by the same
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officials of the Milley government confirms this tremendous deterioration.